/v/ - Video Games

Painkiller the original is good but I don't think I'd consider it old school int the vein of those other games except Serious Sam. As far as I know every expansion and rerelease was ass though which is a shame.

>>16335627

Damn, looking the game from the images seemed old-school for me. Hope it's at least good…

Also, do we have at least some games like this today? Doom 4 has great aesthetics but gameplay-wise I did not enjoyed it nearly as far Doom 2. Rise of the Triad got a remake but it's not that great, Shadow Warrior received a sequel but I did not played it, Blood is getting a remaster this year. Is this everything? Honestly I can only remember 90s games.

>>16335638

When I say not really old school I mean more in terms of level design. It's pretty straightforward and enemies just tend to spawn in waves like Serious Sam. If you like that you should have a fine time with it. As for modern FPS games that aren't shit I'm drawing a blank. It's all either something aping an old game poorly or just trash from the ground up.

Alternate route: Watch the doom movie with the rock in it.

>>16335652

>level design

It's not what I like, but let's see if it's at least decent.

>As for modern FPS games that aren't shit I'm drawing a blank. It's all either something aping an old game poorly or just trash from the ground up.

Seriously, I can't remember good old-school FPS after 2005. Looks like after 2000 the genre kinda died.

>>16335662

People like to blame FPS dying on consoles or Half Life but I think taking out custom maps, LAN and dedicated servers did more damage. You wouldn't really be able to pull off a properly sprawling and varied shooter with the overly controlled online meta bullshit every game tries to push now.

>>16335675

>but I think taking out custom maps, LAN and dedicated servers did more damage

Why do you think those were taken out?

>>16335687

Laziness and control. There is literally nothing stopping a console from having those things.

>>16335675

Actually this is kinda true

>>16335673

>5 minutes in

>shotgun feels like shit

>enemies die like shit, no blood overall

>this level design

I might give this game another chance, but not today. Going to blast some Blood.

>>16335609

play the marathon trilogy and descent, you aldready the other best ones out of the 1st gen of fps games

>>16335712

>5 minutes

Did you even get the stake launcher? It's really fun to use, you can stake enemies to walls with it. Honestly the shotgun in Painkiller is more like the pistol in any other FPS game, save for the fact that it's more powerful and still has its use throughout the game. Secondary fire freezes niggers and lets you shatter them. Although honestly the shotgun's the least interesting weapon in the game, the Painkiller itself is more fun to use. Although if you're not interested in a more claustrophobic Serious Sam you're probably not going to like it. Also I love the game to pieces but fuck not even I can apologize for the bosses, every boss fight is utter shit. It's either some gay gimmick where the solution to the "puzzle" barely even works half the time or just a giant bulletsponge motherfucker with annoying attacks in even more annoying arenas. Also, the tarot card upgrades you get in exchange for the gold you collect seem pointless, I never once used them

>>16335789

>Painkiller is just a worse Serious Sam

true

>Serious Sam is just a worse Doom.

false

>>16335675

>blaming halflife for killing fps

I've never heard anyone say that. I do agree that removing the content like custom maps did have an effect.

Try brutal doom

Try DoomRL Arsenal

>>16335764

I played some Marathon (I'm a diehard Bungie fan so)

>>16335781

Sure I'm going to give it a chance

>>16335789

>Serious Sam is just a worse Doom

not really

>>16335806

Already did

>>16335847

Will try it, it's the second doom mod this thread got. I prefer 1000x blood tho

A friendly reminder that Heretic>Doom

>Large sprawling levels

>sick music that aren't all butt renditions of muh metal

>all projectile weapons and enemies

>can upgrade said weapons

>only one enemy that actually breaks the pace of the game by being a bullet sponge, the minotaur

>jumping

>flying around

>>16335745

Oh yeah, didn't this get its 1.0 release recently?

The first Painkiller was fun, but also shallow and repetitive. The twenty sequels were all trash though.

>>16335675

>People like to blame FPS dying on consoles or Half Life

Stop getting your information from retrokids. The stunted manchildren that everyone bullied in school have nothing intelligent to say.

>>16336354

True

My favorite shooter is Blood, but maybe is because of muh nostalgia

Just play the new Doom.

>>16336814

Already did, see >>16335638

>>16336815

Then just play the new Wolfensteins.

>>16336825

>did an e-celeb do some video on it

Yahtzee, yes.

>>16336823

are they old-school by any chance? Never played them

>>16336830

I believe that man is trying to ruse you.

>>16336830

Holy shit, no. They're god awful, if you're looking for a serious recommendation, Outlaws is pretty good. There's also Dusk, Amid Evil and Ion Maiden, don't forget to pirate the latter though, the Devs are absolute cuckolds.

>>16336839

I wonder who is behind that post?

>>16336841

Thank you! This is what I've been looking for the whole thread.

>>16336888

Be prepared, NAM is pretty damn hard.

>>16336950

it's doom minus good level design and enemy placement

>>16336950

And it ended up being better than the real Doom 4.

>>16336354

>Large sprawling levels

Fuck that. There's a point when a level gets too big for its own good. Hedon takes a lot of inspiration from Heretic, and the level design is one of the few flaws the game has.

>Oh yeah, didn't this get its 1.0 release recently?

It did. While not perfect it's pretty great, featuring a well realized fantasy world and fit orc girls.

>>16336973

well paced consistently challenging levels are far better than ones that want to waste your time

>>16336973

I never really found a level in Heretic that was as bad as any of the Episode 3 levels in Doom. They were big enough to give the appearence of a journey through a world, but logical and well designed enough to not make me groan whenever I entered 10 seconds a new level, unlike E3/Plutonia/Doom 2.

>fit orc girls

You sold me.

Are there any Doom mods, or even games, that have a similar feel to how Hexen's mage plays but are more fleshed out?

>>16335609

Have you played the other Doom engine games? Heretic and Hexen are good. Strife is interesting too. While not strictly an FPS it is first-person and excellent. Play the Magic Carpet series.

>>16337036

Western developed, don't expect sexy.

>>16337088

>Western developed, don't expect sexy.

The game is littered with pinups of semi-nude orcs girls. There's even one picture where you can see a nipple.

All the female characters run around in thongs and bras for the most part.

>>16337088

I think orc girls are one of the few things western artists get right.

It's a standalone game now?

>>16337100

Yeah and I'm thinking of trying it myself now.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=56480

>>16335609

Not new but you could play Unreal (not tournament unless you want to play it.)

Turok 2 recently got a remaster that removed all the retarded fog which made it hell to find the switches in the map.

>>16335609

I really wanted to like Painkiller but it's really not working out very well.

The shooting is fun and the enemies are decent. Even the levels aren't that bad, really.

However what gets to me is the Souls and the Cards.

Souls pop out from enemies that you kill but only after a while and only after the body stops. If you send someone flying back, you'll have to wait before it lays down and then wait some more for it's release. This means you can't just kill a dude, pick his soul and move on. You have to either stay close to him or run around for a while and come back.

The result is that the most efficient way to collect souls is to move in circles, killing enemies as they enter your trajectory and ensuring that after a complete lap, you're back to collect their soul.

I know you don't actually need to collect them all, but considering they recover your health and count as a collectible, it's fucking shit that the best way to collect them all is so boring, tedious and limiting in what your movement will be during a fight.

Even worse is that every 66 souls, you enter a Demon Mode to slaughter everything and that's fucking shit. I get the idea that in some levels there's a specific amount of enemies and thus souls to make you reach those 66 in a specific moment where Demon Mode will be really usefull. However if you fail to collect a few souls, you're not only going to miss that moment, you'll likely end up activating DM when it's no longer usefull. Unless you're willing to forego souls just to time it right, which is another layer of shit on it's own.

And this is on top of how terrible DM is considering it's effectively invicibility+uber damage with terrible visuals and sound. Doom with Berserker worked a lot better for this shit.

Cards are also kinda meh. You can stack up to 3 for some amazing advantage over 30 second, but since every map has multiple fights, each of them lasting far more than that, it's really not going to be that helpfull or interesting. I get that they wanted to make some interesting gimmick to include unlockables and another form of collectibles, but the way it's implemented isn't a really good one.

Making it cost souls (the more cards, the more souls) would be far better than DM on it's own, so you could activate it multiple times as long as you've already killed a certain amount of enemies.

This is why I actually like Shadow Warrior 2 since it did the support abilities far better than many other FPS games. Something that's usefull but not cumbersome to use or too powerfull on it's own. Even it's "fuck you demons!" power works a lot better too.

>E is the dedicated moan button

>Can put markers on the map

Already I'm liking this. It's clearly not a fuck everything up wad, which is kind of disappointing, but so far the atmosphere is good.

>>16337136

>not Mancubus

I think they copied it from the Brute creature from Unreal 1.

>>16337136

Yes they do. These fat alien dudes in TSE also used the same pattern but didn't shoot in volleys.

>>16336950

We know that BFE was made from repurposed Doom 4 and Military Shooter assets. The classic Serious Sam games have their own feel. BFE still has it but you could feel that the new mechanics and level design didn't exactly mesh well with the classic portions.

Redneck Rampage is so confusing. The keys doesn't have colors or something like that, so you be walking around the map for a long time

https://8ch.net/v/res/16331206.html

There's this game that's coming out soon, it actually looks like the type of thing you want.

>>16337571

At least be honest about it

>>16337571

>3D realms makes their own Dusk

I'll pirate it at some point.

>>16337596

?

>>16337599

There's Dusk too.

>>16337610

Dusk is fairly eh. It needs some custom difficulty in between Cero Meido and Duskmare.

>>16337599

>>16337610

>>16337660

DUSK sucks ass, tries way to hard to be quake and like a generic 90s shooter but fails to get anything right

>>16337698

The thing I hate about the recent shooters that try to emulate the 90's era is their lack of optimization. I try to test them out on low-end systems and they seem to chug even with most shit turned off.

>>16337698

The atmosphere is also really fucking dull and reeks of "muh eebil sowth xDD".

>>16337136

>everything is a trap

If that aint the fucking truth.

>>16337717

I was using some chinkbook laptop as a test, but my main computer isn't much better. I was getting drops in the second level with the farm and maze whenever I would encounter multiple enemies. Maybe I'll try it out on my main computer.

Never played Descent? Try out 1 and 2, and then check out Overload.

>>16337707

yeah, if its low poly low res, and its trying to be a 90s thing then it should run well on 90s hardware too, how come dusk has higher requirements than games mae 10+ years ago that look far better?

>>16337708

What do you expect from a redneck rampage mod for quake? everything falls flat, the enemy placement, the level layouts, the terrible and generic enemy designs and how brown everything is. a horror game set in the south US could be done quite well

>>16338077

>What do you expect from a redneck rampage mod for quake?

Lower system requirements for one thing.

i remember this old FPS called GORE. it had a stamina system which was pretty advanced for its time. i kind of miss it.

>>16335675

>but I think taking out custom maps, LAN and dedicated servers did more damage.

And this is directly correlated with consoles. It is because of consoles they were even able to get away with this. One thing consoles popularized though that I don't think is inherently bad is matchmaking. It actually makes a lot of sense to me actually but it should always also be paired with dedicated servers and allow for customized servers for people who want to play that way.

Consoles were actually not even an issue until last gen I would say. Its also directly correlated to the industry gaining more and more power and then they got even more greedy. Once consoles went online it seemed to signal the beginning of the end to me for gaming. Publishers realized just how much they could get away with due to consoles adopting internet connections. It impresses me how most people either overlook this or don't even seem to notice at all. Consoles going online really did change this industry so much and it was almost exclusively for the worst.

Conflict: Global Storm and Hidden and Dangerous

>>16337592

Everything you see in the Duke Nukem Forever trailers is the only thing in the games. There wouldn't be much from a leak.

>>16336354

Is this bait?

>Large sprawling levels

It's a joyride if you like hidden switch hunts, mandatory secrets that you need to find in order to complete the level, and symmetric architecture. Each square inch is packed with so many enemies it becomes a fucking clusterfuck in no time and there's barely a single moment when you can release the left mouse button. That sure is exciting.

>all projectile weapons and enemies

Regarding weapons, that's not true: the wand and dragon claw are hitscans (but you may believe they are not because of how flashy their impact sprites are; I'm not going to do the Rick McCallum quote, but it fits perfectly)

Thanks to how overused flying enemies are, their constant roaming and attacks make the screen barely readable. When you start mapping for Heretic, your also realize how unbalanced they are. It always end up in a clusterfuck no matter what you do.

You may claim only the Maulotaur is a bullet sponge (it is, but considering it's a boss, I give it a free pass, unlike D'Sparil which also teleports, because "good design"). All of them can handle way too much abuse. The game is only barely enjoyable when you realize that you should be using Tomes of Power as you collect them (after all, why stack them since your inventory gets wiped out in between levels anyway?)

>"Hell yeah Painkiller!"

>all this negativity towards Painkiller in this thread

>"oh."

Its saddening.

>>16354665

I couldn't find a working torrent of Chrome, just it's shitty sequel. Where'd you get it?

>>16354726

I think I got it from The Iso Zone ages ago. Good thing I had saved it.

>>16354726

See if this works:

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/advanced-battlegrounds-the-future-of-combat-df4

>>16354665

It's a very bland, forgettable shooter.

Dusk is really good. As is Ion Maiden

>>16355001

I might think about it the day people shut up about Dusk

>>16355007

dusk was profoundly OK

>>16355001

Future Shock and Skynet are amazing you dumb nigger

>>16353787

I disagree. The only grievance I had with Heretic was the iron mace weapon which was utter trash to use, even with a Tome of power.

Or it could be me liking the game too much for me to see its flaws, it ticked so many boxes and it's one of the few mage FPSs I could find.

>>16354989

>>16355126

I'm curious, which of the two ecelebs sold you on Terminator? That's the only explanation I can find for you two idiots shilling that game.

>>16354989

I tried giving those games a chance but it was too dull for me.

>>16353095

oh yea forgot about the armor thing. the chick also gave an HP boost to the whole team with her healing grenades.

i played the fuck out of the multiplayer. some of them even were porting the gore game to a new engine, i wonder what happened to that project.

>>16355204

>M-MUH SHIIILLLS

How about you actually try the game, you'd be pleasantly surprised how good it is.

I've been having a blast with the Wrath of Cronos mod. It's basically Hexen's weapons with RPG mechanics slotted on, skill trees like Diablo II, and extra monster tiers. I normally dislike such mods but the RPG system doesn't get in the way too much. I will say though, it is ruthless if played with Doom 2 because Heretic and Hexen throw a lot more healing items your way. The extra monsters also has enemies that have guns. Not hitscan but fast projectiles still.

>>16355439

>/v/ has been shilling this game for years

>/v/

it's been just the one autist with the same writing style and it always will be just the one autist, because the game is objectively shit.

you should NOT be playing old Painkiller titles, they are riddled with bugs and AWFUL engine

Hell & Damnation atleast is stable

>>16355439

Replayed Dark Forces a while back, the level design was miles above anything that has been seen in modern fps in a decade.

Asset creation increased at the expense of everything else, especially level design. HD ruined gaming.

DUSK is great you fucking faggots hate everything.

>>16355769

You are a loser!

>>16355988

Come on man, don't tell me you don't like staking enemies to the wall.

>>16356004

That was pretty good yes but everything else fell flat, music was alright though.

>>16355748

The game isn't that good. The enemies are pretty slow and the level design goes too far in the atmospheric direction.

>>16355988

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

>>16352859

Jewish developers and publishers were going to yank control away from you with or without consoles. Don't fall for their scapegoats.

>>16354761

Yeah, I noticed. Weird movement, crap gunplay, ugly graphics, and it glitched on me so it wouldn't load my save. Oh well, uninstalled. Now what to play next…

>someone mentions descent

Ah, that was in my backlog. Time to shoot malware-infected mining robots in space!

>>16356004

>bunnyhopping at the speed of light

<stakes enemy to the wall at point blank

<use shotgun freeze ray and immediately fire normally to blast enemy into pieces

>barrage of soldiers coming through

<strafe jump in circles to herd them

<use lightning shuriken gun

OR

<use minigun to lower their health and fire a fucking rocket into the middle of the herd

>all of this while bunnyhopping at blazing speeds

Also love how the game let's you assign what weapon you want to fire to the ctrl key without having to switch to that weapon. The game has plenty of fucking combo decisions its goddamn ridiculous.

I honestly don't get the dislike for this game. Yeah some levels can be shit ice level for instance. Fuck the slippery floor and the bosses are meh. But the fucking weapons and the action and blasting enemies to fucking gory chunks is so goddamn fun and satisfying. And I'm not even speaking from nostalgia. I played this game around 2013 way past its time. Now I usually replay it once a year while trying to collect all the gold and silver cards.

I guess I just have a real liking into absurd over the top action games with a great soundtrack to go along with it. Guess it's not really for everyone.

>>16355459

I liked that mod a lot to. Beat the game a couple of times with it. Only issue I have is the enemy variety but that is also an issue with Hexen itself. Making me want to play it again actually.

are there any good settings the little to no FPS games use?

>>16353543

Shut up randy, thats a blatant lie by randy and broussard to cover up the fact they are hacks, one fucked 2 games up by moving them to another engine when they where almost complete and the other doesnt want them released because it would blow their version of DNF out of the water, multiple people who worked on the original DNF games confirmed they where complete with a few bugfixes needed, the only people who say there isnt more than what the trailer shows you are people who cant profit from the games release.

did you not see the screenshots leaked by a former dev that showed levels where fully made and it wasnt just small mockup sections for a trailer?

>>16361365

For me it's one of the few more complex mods I can actually enjoy, even if it means skills on numbers, and weapons on numpad. Usually I'm reluctant to play mods with extra binds, and lean towards ones that are based on standard controls. So not Brütal Doom. That is seriously a main reason I don't play it.

>>16365664

Speaking of RTCW, I love the Tesla Gun. Where are the good lightning gun options in mods?

>>16365700

>are there any good settings the little to no FPS games use?

Can you ask that again but coherently?

>DNF

Scarier than that is I'm pretty sure there's actually a Doom mod to re-create Duke Nukem Forever as it was in one of its early previews.

>>16335638

>Shadow Warrior

1 is decent, I hear 2 is like Borderlands which means kinda shitty. I wish 1 had more interesting level design though.

I've been keeping an eye on retroclones. Just about all of them have been shit except for two, Amid Evil and Ion Maiden. Amid Evil is just a fun all around game with cool levels. The enemy roster changes every episode, although this means that the enemy roster for each episode is somewhat limited, but the game is also split up into many episodes. There is also a boss fight at the end of each episode. Overall I'd say it manages to extract most of the good bits of Heretic and Quake and blend them into an enjoyable game.

Ion Maiden looked like a good game in the vein of Duke Nukem 3D when I tried the beta, but it performed like shit. I have been told those issues are fixed but I haven't touched it again since. Fun fact: the protag is Bombshell, a female Nukem analogue, but I think they came up with a different game title because her self-titled game was shit.

>>16365714

>Can you ask that again but coherently?

Can you read nigger?

<reddit spaces

>Scarier than that is I'm pretty sure there's actually a Doom mod to re-create Duke Nukem Forever as it was in one of its early previews.

Thats false, the first version of DNF was 2D just like duke nukum 1 and 2, it was made in the quake 2 engine then moved to the unreal engine, then moved again to unreal engine 3. at no point was there ever a doom mod, because the DNF mod was made in the build engine.

Why would anyone make a duke nukem mode using doom instead of dukenukem 3d?

>>16365744

I initially read "settings" as in option toggles. Not as in world setting. Yes that was stupid.

>That's false

Actually no it's only partly wrong. There is a DN3D mod "Duke Nukem Forever" and it does just what I say.

>>16365770

>I initially read "settings" as in option toggles. Not as in world setting. Yes that was stupid.

You are forgiven.

>There is a DN3D mod "Duke Nukem Forever" and it does just what I say.

What you wrote was false, because the mod it self is based loosely on the DNF trailers, its really just a tech demo showig off the duke bike and how shitty it controls, that and you got both the game and engine completely wrong. i dont know how anyone would think a duke nukem mod would be made for DOOM which cant do the same things as the build engine

>>16365787

It is at least based on something since I don't think any of the DNF early builds were leaked proper. Also I don't literally mean Doom. To be sure, Aliens TC is amazing for its time, but I mean modern source ports where the options are really extensive.

>>16335609

I wish more games had big guy enemies like Painkiller.

>>16337708

>"muh eebil sowth xDD".

Of all the things to complain about in Dusk you chose this. You fragile faggot.

>>>/v16366227

Try actually reading the conversation next time /intl/.

>>16357623

>playing gimped console versions of Descent

>can't into the original PC versions because waaaaaaaah i cant play flight controls

Kill yourself faggot.

>>16357541

I've thought of getting some of the old COD as well as some medal of honors. Know which ones are the best to get before it went bad?

>>16388860

I fucking hated that level.Allied Assault in general was hit or miss.Spearhead was ok, but Breakthrough was chill as fuck.

>>16388895

Descent starts great, but the goddamn robots with hitscan and homing missiles feel really cheap.

>>16388956

I actually haven't played Breakthrough much. I usually try to go through Allied Assault and its expansions, but by the time I reach Breakthrough, I just get burned out. I think I should beat it by itself soon.

>>16388860

Wasn't Spearhead an expansion/DLC for Allied Assault? Like I said, I think AA and its expansions were fine for their time, but have aged pretty badly. The PSX MoH games aged much better.

I'm playing Active DIrectory in quakespasm. Is there a way to do `impulse 3 2` scripts in quakepasm? I can't find anything explicitly explaining, but it doesnt seem to work I suspect its a quakeworld client thing only, and quakepasm is a quake1 client.

>>16365700

>are there any good settings the little to no FPS games use?

Fantasy. The only ones I can think of are Heretic, Hexen, and Dark Messiah.

>>16388988

That's true.

>>16335675

Came here to basically say this.

It's part of the reason I'm actually excited for Halo MCC becauce it'll be the closest thing we get in a long ass time.

>>16337088

The closest I could think of is Heretical Doom

Recommendation with some warnings:

https://strawberryoctii.itch.io/memoirs-of-magic

It's a classic doom-engine game, actually came out yesterday. The guy who made it used to post here on /agdg/. Except he's not posted here in months, and not even told us about the release. Make of that what you will. Also some of the character art has serious gay bulge furfaggotry going on, though from what I can tell there's no actual faggotry involved.

Either way, it's free and from what I've played it's fun.