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Got an email earlier, the first wave of tests for Halo Reach on PC will start in a few weeks.

>>16330630

Considering how quickly CoD skyrocketed after that game I think it's safe to say the sentiment is common.

>dumbed the genre down

Only dipshits parrot this

>biggest dudebro games

Marketing and the same dipshits parroting the first point you tried to make say this.

> In many ways it dumbed down the FPS genre

I don't agree that the original one did that. Call of Duty 2 dumbed down the FPS genre. Halo had health, it also had a shield. But so did all the significant enemies.

Halo also had pretty good AI, not just for it's time but even for today, on legendary difficulty. The only problem was with how overhyped it became as the flagbearer of the xbone brand.

Judged on it's own Halo is a decent shooter with some really good parts. The big lizard guys with the body shields would fight you differently based on what you were wielding, what they had and how low your and their health was. The rest of the enemies had their patterns too.

Friendly reminder the series' main riff was blatantly plagiarized. Skip to about 1:40.

>>16330601

And how does one access them? Do you need a Microshaft account by any chance?

Halo is like impressionism. When photography was invented there had to be some kind of redefinition of art as it was rendered mostly obsolete. So we got less realistic art like your Van Gogh, Picaso and Dali. This eventually devolved into a woman mensturating on a canvas, but impressionism is still nice.

>>16330743

>Van Gogh, Picaso and Dali

Chimps smearing shit on a canvas. All artists should have liberalism beaten out of them.

>>16330743

I guess Frank Frazetta is some nobody then, huh?

>>16330630

Yeah, Halo 2 had a fucking amazing story. It wasn't only filled with fun characters and good dialog but was actually pretty deep

>Story about a zealot religious character slowly losing his faith and learning the truth

>dumbed down the fps genre

fps games required intellect?

how do you mean dumbed down? (less physical challange? poor a.i.?)

doom and duke were dumb, quake and unreal were skill based, half-life was a rails shooter but required only a bit more strategy.

were are the "smart shooters" before 2001 that halo dumbed down?

are we talking military sims or objective based shooters like goldeneye or medal of honor? cuz those games suck.

t. not an fps fan, not a halo fan, I'm just not sure how it was really that different.

was it really the first coridoor shooter?

>>16330710

You need to be part of the Halo Insider program.

>Do you need a Microshaft account by any chance?

I guess so, it's free anyway.

>>16330864

Having to quickly change weapons and keep track of dozens of enemies on screen required your brain to be turned on anon.

>>16330753

fuck you nigger dali is good

>>16330736

We had Elderito threads here for months anon

ITT: Fags that don't play custom games cry about how bad halo is based on that one time they got hit with a sticky

I've come to find out that 343 industries has actually took out map voting for MCC on Xbox as part of an update. The anon said due to nobody wanting to play Halo 4 shit so 343 sneakily took out voting like butthurt little faggots.

This is yet another reason I cannot support Halo or even Microsoft anymore. My favorite FPS franchise has been absolutely raped and humiliated beyond repair.

>>16330971

Wait, so in the MCC you pic from any of the maps from the halo games? From 1 all the way to 4?

>>16330971

>The anon said due to nobody wanting to play Halo 4 shit so 343 sneakily took out voting like butthurt little faggots.

Map voting was always shitty, you always end up on the same H3 map or the same shitty Forge world map on Halo Reach.

>>16330550

Halo can only be blamed for being successful, it's not Halo's fault that the FPS side of the industry learned the wrong things from it, just like it's not the Batman Arkham games fault every action game afterword copied free flow combat poorly.

If the industry actually cared about getting better then it would have copied how good enemy AI is in Halo, instead it copied

the two weapons rule and regenerating health, and then later copied Call of Duty when it popularized aim down sites.

even if halo was never around those trend copying games probably still would have found some other way to be generic and forgettable.

Halo is like Half-Life, it gets blamed for making mechanics popular which worked well in the context of the original game but not the derivative games that were mindlessly copying it. Namely the two weapon limit and regenerating shields. The two weapon limit was not that bad in Halo because the weapons were more or less balanced out, with the exception of a few (assault and plasma rifles), but that was decently fixed up in the second game. Regenerating shields worked very well for Halo because it's a game with not very much cover and it encourages the player to take some risk, and it also doesn't fill your screen with red jelly, not to mention you are supposed to be the last remaining survivor of a highly unethical black ops supersoldier project that makes MKULTRA look like a practical joke. It makes less sense when you are a spic named Ramirez hiding behind dumpsters and every weapon is hitscan.

I do believe that the thing that makes Halo truly memorable is the enemy AI. It had good AI (not the best but certainly acceptable at the least) for the time and the industry has stagnated so much that only a few games have AI that is even remotely comparable. They are also quite memorable; the Grunts are downright cute, even while suicide bombing, and the Elites are extremely expressive with their body language despite speaking a different language you can't understand.

>>16330571

You say this but you probably defend Counter Strike. Get out normfaggot.

>>16330971

If you uninstall halo 4 you never have to play it.

Even better on PC you can just never buy it.

>>16331089

Bro and Nerd friendships are godtier

>>16331113

>mjolnir mix

>pleb

you need your priorities in order anon

>>16331113

>orchestra means it's instantly good

Found the zero taste faggot. Random crescendos with no melody is not music, it's just high production noise.

>>16330664

I wasn't ID hopping dipshit.

>>16331170

master of legato and feedback.

when a beginner picks up an evo they feel ripped off because his level of control on a guitar is stupid, makes a typical japanese super-strat sound like a theremin.

>>16331195

this x1000. so many vidya composers just wank around with 40gb kontakt libraries, for a disgusting example look at OCRemix

>>16331292

What's the point of using TOR with such shit opinions Luciano, everyone knows who you are.

>>16331292

Halo came out a year after COunter Strike and had a much stronger competitive scene than any fps that came out before it.

Cope.

>>16331464

I was going to say "because I'm gen Z" but it sounded kinda gay for some reason, I dunno.

What the fuck

Genuinely:

What's the "I can hold only two weapons so it's Babby's first FPS" thing about? I know the shit trend of two guns at a time kind of leaked into everything even where it doesn't really work but, can you really say not being able to hold every weapon in the game at the same time makes it less skilled somehow?

I mean I know in quake you can spend the whole match bouncing to the railgun and rockets and then just bouncing around the ammo for both the whole game, but that seems way easier than having to manage ammo for any particular gun you happen to have at the time.

>>16331111

Also why weren't these fucking quads checked

>>16331464

> tumblr gif

>>16331642

>2 and 3 treat you like you're a fucking superhero

You know the only reason you don't feel like a superhero is because you're up against aliens that are way above human capacity. Even grunts would fuck most humans up.

>>16331707

he's fine in 2, but his death in 3 was retarded. Would rather play a game featuring his exploits in the past especially since he's a Spartan-I.

>>16331586

When you can only hold two weapons, it means that most weapons need to be more generalist to compensate.

>>16330971

Good thing most people will just buy ODST and Reach, so map voting has to be kept otherwise 90% of the people who bought it will be unable to play online because they don't have gaylo 4 maps.

>>16331779

imagine thinking any of this is a bad thing, no wonder the shooter genre is so fucked they're all about point & click game play these days.

>>16331797

better than hl2 at least

>>16331815

Auto-aim is only part of the equation. The melee/grenade/energy/health/two weapon system if far more important. Can't even see the forest for the trees. Typical HL2 fan.

>>16331815

Look the closest you'd get to me arguing for anywhere near what Rare did Which was only for the fact the n64 only had ONE STICK and kept as a traditionTM Is independent User Camera and Firearm positioning and (as far as I know) that only exists with some VR titles and some tech demos for the razer Hydra

>>16331820

Plenty of games make auto aim a sincere mechanic. There's different ways to solve the problem, if they all played like metroid prime they'd be too generic. The soft lock/slowdown of acceleration/slight magnetism is a great solution. Just like how doom, duke, and powerslave's vertical auto aim is a great solution. Goldeneye's autoaim which activates depending on the body part and distance to the target also helps create an excellent sense of momentum for the game. Keeps up the flow of combat and doesn't make it about point and clicking dudes from miles away.

Treating shooting like there's only one solution: point & click, is utterly cancerous. It's the homogenization of games and failure to embrace different control styles. You can dislike how Halo works, but it's easy to see why it works and why it's still plenty of fun for everyone else without shitting the bed like the average mustard.

>>16331786

Halo's distinction between weapon categories isn't interesting compared to earlier FPS games.

>>16331837

It is. It brought Doom's prioritization to a new level and balance with the variety of enemy types and defenses. It made it so you couldn't just see a group of guys, switch to your rocket launcher with 40 rounds and pop a few rockets, but instead see a group of guys, consider the potential for grenades, using an energy weapon, killing the leading elite, sniping the jackal before he notices you, and each one elicits different reactions based on the surrounding AI. That's far more interesting than anything in Quake where enemies will home on to your location, half-life where they'll run around willy nilly before stopping and turn-tabling in your direction or dropping a grenade around their friends before freezing up. The actual squad dynamics, emotional states and behaviors of everything in Halo is what makes it such a varied game. It's why the repetitive levels aren't knee cappingly bad, just disappointing, because the core combat is still so good.

>>16331842

Seems like some people have deep seated board rivalries to get out of their way, that or butthurt.

>>16331846

Still no arguments. I'm waiting.

>>16331832

The point of Metroid Prime's lock-on is that it (in an up-front way) eliminates aiming from the player's concern, freeing up mental space for other mechanics, in Metroid Prime's specific case, that allows it to be an action-adventure with heavy platforming.

>Goldeneye's auto-aim

Was an optional cheat-mode, that made its presence explicitly known by your avatar's hand moving onscreen, and could be completely disabled in the config screen.

>Doom's fixed vertical aim

Was still 100% manual in the remaining dimension, and was primarily imposed by a technical limitation.

>>16331806

Considering the game didn't have mouse look you're dumb.

>>16331846

I get you're only doing it to be contrarian, deliberately pretending something objectively shit, isn't shit because "muh subjectivity of design" but seriously come on man. There's really two options assuming normal inputs for an fps game.

Use TWO STICKS, WHICH WE HAVE HAD SINCE THE PS1 (or, alternatively, and which I genuinely have no fucking clue why the fuck this wasn't standard since the PS3) A combination of gyroscopic controls and stick/mouse and have the player's camera and orientation be the same for the firearm's dispense location

Or

Have weapon Aim and Player cam independent of eachother, which, doesn't work super well in first person shooters, which we can't/don't really do because it requires 3 directional inputs which isn't "standard".

>>16331867

Doom did have mouselook, even in the original DOS version, but it was silly. Mouse-up/down made you walk forward/backward.

>>16331859

The platforming has nothing to do with the auto aim, it's used to make the combat more about dodging and unloading into enemies who have their own generous amount of iframes. The platforming is irrelevant to that.

>Was an optional cheat-mode

No, it was the default setting in goldeneye. You could disable it if you wanted, but it doesn't improve the game playing it with it off.

> was primarily imposed by a technical limitation.

It wasn't imposed because of a technical limitation, it was inherent because of it. That's the difference. Because of that limitation, the developers built around it and made combat about dodging projectiles and prioritizing targets.

>>16331867

It did, Romero even suggests it in the readme as his preferred way to play. Just didn't have vertical looking.

>>16331871

Still no arguments. You're fixated on those trees.

>>16331887

nice miss you fucking idiot

>>16331883

It's not creative

>>16331890

Poor guy got really crushed he wasn't being taken seriously. He's having a Lawson-tier meltdown.

>>16331856

>but instead see a group of guys, consider the potential for grenades, using an energy weapon, killing the leading elite, sniping the jackal before he notices you, and each one elicits different reactions based on the surrounding AI.

Pure LARP. I played the shit out of Halo 1 and 2 and in all of that there are maybe three weapons that change how you fight in any meaningful way. The sniper rifle is just as good at close quarters as the shotgun, the rifles and pistols and submachine guns have a few differences to consider but the solution is just more headshots. There's little reason to ever switch weapons on the fly in a fight unless you run out or you're doing the Designated Gimmick of plasma pistol-anything else against elites. You don't really need to weigh weapon types against each other because 80% of them are 80% as good as anything as the rest.

>>16331903

<Hi I play on normal mode only

>>16331868

>gyroscopic controls

Yeah, that ("relative" rather than "absolute") would be valid. Not quite as good as M+KB or ("absolute") lightgun-style, but certainly playable for full manual aim.

>Have weapon Aim and Player cam independent of eachother

Anyone remember the old Mechwarrior games?

>>16331871

>Autoaim is literally M+KB aiming mechanics with magnetism.

Oh, it's more than that. As my video illustrated, it's a variety of deceptive mechanics ranging from reticle magnetism (moving the camera "for you"), to bullet magnetism (literal enemy/headshot-seeking bullets), to sticky reticle (slowing down camera rotation when passing near enemies), and more.

>>16331874

>The platforming has nothing to do with the auto aim

I'd argue it did, because aiming at (especially flying) enemies harassing you while platforming would otherwise interfere more with movement. Sort of like how automating away jumping/camera in Zelda allowed greater mechanical focus on swordfighting.

>>16331903

>sniper rifle is just as good at close quarters as the shotgun

4 shots in a mag, longer time between shots, the shotgun is definitely the better of the two for close ranges.

>the solution is just more headshots

the game makes this difficult to do with the AR especially thanks to the enormous amounts of bullet spread. Energy weapons make elites who are a primary target most of the time far easier to manage.

>you don't really need to weigh weapon types against each other because 80% of them are 80% as good as anything as the rest.

far from the case as power weapons have very limited ammunition, and failing to take advantage of the energy weapons vs shields just results in a lot more time spent on a single target. That's the great thing, there's multiple ways to engage. The different grenade types are something Bungie struggled to expand upon because the plasma/frags are just so excellent at satisfying different niches. Melee, the occasional stealth, this all works together to make combat encounters memorable.

You'd be lying if you never took the opportunity to melee the back of an unaware elite or clobber a squad of sleeping grunts.

>>16331929

At least play on heroic you big gay baby

>>16331919

I only played on legendary in H1 and never really bothered with it in H2 because it made the game less fun.

>>16331927

I don't remember any of these fine differentiations making a difference to me. I was aware that they were supposed to exist, they just never seemed to matter and that's the rudest thing I can imagine can be said about the guns in a first person shooter.

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>>16331915

>modders get close to the finish line on porting 3, ODST, and 4 to Eldewrito

>suddenly M$ caves on an official port

Pottery

>>16331985

Kinda funny how Halo 3 which had all the customization it had with the matchmaking features (at this point an I'm Feeling Lucky button and non dedicated user hosted servers and not the algorithmic nightmare that is matchmaking today) was kind of the last hurrah

>>16331960

Good thing they're doing an actual port, the janky halo 3 PC mod/port/whatever was a mess.

>>16331987

it's just shitposts, nothing was lost.

>>16331997

the entire thread is shitposts of yids whining on about some computer game back in 2002

really need another shoah

>>16331987

Ancap ideology is fundamentally incompatible with american values.

Also the whole Shackles of Capitalism thing is a lie it assumes trusts are a product of capitalism and not usurpation of authority

sangheili pussy

>>16332409

Well for one, people are more interested in the multiplayer for halo

Two, people play the story, mostly for scoring admittedly.

And three Mister Chef is better than gordank freakman

Really the only thing HL2 you could argue for is the Source SDK that came with it

>>16332409

Halo is loved by people who don't know any better, and HL2 is sometimes criticized for the reasons you mentioned. Although HL2 didn't ruin everything for everyone by promoting what was an inferior product. The inferior product being the console shooter.

>>16332409

How bad does the "stop and wait for an NPC to finish his monologue" get in the later games? I don't remember it being an issue so much in the original Halo.

>>16332441

There's a couple mid mission cutscenes and the Cortana/Gravemind breaks in 3 and I think there was like, 4 in Halo 2

Otherwise you're free to do whatever.

>>16332445

Sounds better than HL2 to me then.

>>16332409

Multiplayer. It was always Bungie's strong suit and focus. Even for Marathon they admitted they concentrated most of their development on multiplayer then singleplayer and it shows. This is the part of Halo anyone who wasn't into the story cares about the most.

>>16331779

to be fair, that only really came into effect around Halo 2 (which I said was gay), and the video you're posting is from Halo 5, made by a completely different studio

>>16332409

Halo, up until 343 entered the picture, had this charm about it. It has a mature but restrained plot, serviceable gameplay, and an excellent scored, but it was really huddling around the TV with your friends that sold it for me.

>>16332525

hl2 is a shitty tech demo with unskippable scenes. half life one is good however

>>16332525

Welcome to peak contrarian. Before you know it people will be claiming Mario was never good.

>>16332530

I also agree with this view on it. However I would like to add, that what we got with Source SDK was nice.

>>16332525

Honestly I'd still say Halo 1 is better than Half Life 2

>>16332558

It feels good knowing I will never be a brainless dicksucker like this.

>>16331820

Fuck off retard, plenty of most console FPSs before Halo provided an option to disable auto-aim, and anyone who was serious about the games with context-sensitive hit zones always did because that was the key to head shots. Don't let Halo delude you into thinking you need autoaim to make a console FPS work. They may never be able to combine the speed and precision of a keyboard and mouse shooter (though light gun games could have come close; too bad The Conduit turned out to be another piece of shit Halo clone), but that doesn't mean it's completely pointless and useless to try.

>>16331874

>it doesn't improve the game playing it with it off.

Goldeneye literally invented headshots and in both it and Perfect Dark they are absolutely integral to stealth gameplay. Yes in fact it does improve the game with autoaim off, and headshots are important to such a large degree in Perfect Dark that everyone turned off autoaim in multiplayer.

>>16332660

Auto aim for me, but not for thee.

It's only bad when Halo does it.

Ad infinitum.

>>16332672

then manually aim for headshots or learn how to manipulate the auto aim for them

>>16332658

Yeah, no you'll only dickstroke your sperminatior while crying out opinions of a game from a guy from a guy froma another guy who likely never played it in the first place

Don't get me wrong, Halo has its issues

Heroic being the game mode they initially build the game around and then click everything down for normal and easy

Magnetism

Magnetism towards the torso

Going along with microsoft'MONUMENTALLY retarded decision to port a few xbox games to vista (and only Vista) which ended up backfiring and killing tons of shit

Everything about Flood Pureform Rangers on Mythic and Solo Mythic difficulty

Bloating the weapons sandbox with unnecessary faction clones of weapons when weapons that served a similar but functionally different role in halo 1

Almost learning the lesson to making unique faction weaponry in reach to just barely manage to fuck it up

343 with the completely and utterly unnecessary tacked on story after THE BIBILICAL REFERENTIAL FLOOD WAS DEFEATED ON THE ARK with a satisfying end to chief's and Cortana's story

Xbox Live Pay to Host Your Own Games features

NOT EVEN AN OPTION FOR TCP/IP

At least I can admit that without having to drag my face accross the dirt squelching QUAKE GAYM GUD

>>16332696

Can you please post the whole link? MY mom doesn't let me copy and paste

>>16332669

>most console FPSs before Halo provided an option to disable auto-aim

But basically none do now

>but that doesn't mean it's completely pointless and useless to try.

Sure, but the results are crippled and much less fun as a result

>(though light gun games could have come close; too bad The Conduit turned out to be another piece of shit Halo clone

Yeah, that was part of my point: Pointing controllers, gyro aim, trackball, numerous other solutions VASTLY superior to aiming with a thumbstick. Until one of those catches on, playing FPS on console will suck.

>>16332675

>bungie hasn't repeatedly admitted to being intentionally slimy and manipulative to market dumbed down trash to retards at the cost of irreparably destroying an entire genre

You know what doesn't get enough credit? Campaign scoring. I never see people talking about it, but it's a great way to challenge yourself in a different skillset from competitive mp or from autismrunning, and allows you to balance both your skill at moving quickly through a level as well as engaging in combat

On a related note, the famine and recession skulls are really fun. They force you to have to use weapons you normally wouldn't due to the low ammo. You can't just use the BR, Carbine, etc as a crutch.

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>>16331292

Why do people repeat this meme?

>Halo CE: 2001

>Unreal Tournament 2003: 2002

>Halo 2: 2004

>Unreal Tournament 2004: 2004

>Doom 3: 2004

>Quake 4: 2005

>Halo 3: 2007

>Unreal Tournament 3: 2007

Plenty of arena and old school shooters released after Halo came out. CoD4 is what killed them and caused grey and brown military FPS"s to become the standard, not Halo. For fucks sake, Halo is pretty much just a slower UT

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>>16331779

The people who complain about this obviously don't play console FPS's: Aiming with any sort of accuracy at moving targets with an analog stick pretty much requires aim assist and bullet magnetism mechanics or else it's nearly totally unusable, and even with aim assist, magnetism, etc, it's honestly still harder then using a mouse

In fact, different weapons outright have differing amounts of each value, sniper rifles tend to have little to none of either which makes using them extremely difficult, especially when not zoomed in, which is why "noscopes" are such a big thing.

t. person who plays FPS's on both PC and console

>>16331903

This is honestly a legitmate criticsm for 2, because 2's weapon sandbox is stupid broken and the BR shits on everything else even before considering the exploits it had, and in general Halo has had pretty shit weapon balance, sort of defeating the point of the 2 weapon limit. CE I'd argue somewhjat avoids it since each gun is so unique in function (if you can use the sniper well up close, you probably played the PC version or you mean like litterally point blank); even if the magnum is something you want to have onbyou at all times.

The real problem is how the community defends this and whines whenever there's abn attempt to make the game not dominated by the token precision weapon because MUH UTILITY WEAPON

>>16332409

Halo games excel as packages, I feel, even if there's never 1 element they particularly do a 10/10 job at (other then music and lore but the lore is usually limited to the books and shit): They have a solid, feature length campaign, a full multiplayer suite, usually custom game mode options, limited map editing, some of them have horde modes, and everything from visual design to sound design to story to gameplay is executed at least solidly.

They are fantastic bang for your buck games.

>>16332516

I agree 343 completrely murdered Halo's charm and tone but Halo 5 honestly has some of the best MP in the series, I wish more people gave it a chance. Granted, since the campaign is so shit and it's online only gfor the MP I can't actually reeccomend buying it, but if you have a W10 PC there's a free PC port of forge and custom lobbies you can check out

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>>16332719

This is one of the biggest cases of 'no u' I've ever seen lmao

Dude it's fine if you like Halo you don't have to get assravaged about it, nobody even acts like these games are worth a shit anyway except for HL

>>16332725

People get defensive when their favourite games are being shit on. At least he's not spamming those 1000 shitty "My First FPS" edits.

>>16332732

those are pretty good bait though.

>>16332733

I have no idea if this is shitposting or a genuine Halo fanboy but either way 10/10 bait I'll be using this as a copypasta at some point

>>16332733

For the love of god post this on every video for Quake on YouTube you will legit get like 70 replies each time

>>16332733

>Halo provided

>- Vehicle gameplay

Less than a year later Battlefield 1942 made its vehicle combat look like an embarrassing joke.

>>16332733

this is too good not to give you a (you)

good work slut

>>16332746

I dunno BF1942's is particularly floaty and unsatisfying. Only cool thing it has going for it is how easy it is to exploit with momentum and loop zooks. Halo's weighty vehicles feel a lot better, always have. I guess that's just Battlefield games for you though, they never had a good feel.

>>16332705

>CoD4 is what killed them

Even ignoring blatant Halo ripoffs (Killzone, GoW, Resistance) Aren't you ignoring the devastating effect Halo had on other series (DX2, R6 Vegas, GR Warfighter, Black, CC: First to Fight, Commandoes: Strike Force, arguably even Doom 3 & Quake 4 themselves, etc.) well before CoD4? Not to mention the dumbed down console(ized) shooters (Haze, Fracture, Turok, Mass Effect, etc.) that shipped far to fast for CoD4 to be a factor in their design?

Also, complaints against Halo aren't just about the death of arena FPS specifically, but other subgenres of FPS (tactical, stealth, RPG, etc.), and the mangling of completely non-FPS series into console pseudo-shooters to clone Halo.

>it's nearly totally unusable, and even with aim assist, magnetism, etc, it's honestly still harder then using a mouse

Yes, which is why your best options are to either make something that doesn't pretend to be an FPS, or use/make a more appropriate controller.

>feature length campaign

I'm actually willing to defend the series (on PC, at least) as at least decent, but the campaigns have always been full of blatant filler and shoddy rush-job hacks. CE takes the cake here, what with literally reusing the entire campaign, with the bloated paunch in the game's middle being the nadir of the game.

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>>16332733

>implying anyone actually did nor does defend those as solid examples of their genre the way halobabbyz do

>>16332759

Halo's vehicles were easier to handle with M/KB than vehicles in most other games, but they lack the ability to be paired with specialized controllers like wheels/pedals or HOTAS for even better control.

>>16332786

I grew up a Macfag and Bungie fanboi, so I always preferred old Bungie's sarcastic tone (PiD, Marathon, Myth, Oni) to iD's more straightforward one. But you can't pretend that the simple heavy metal album cover atmosphere of Doom/Quake/Hexen, or the Indiana Jones/Saving Private Ryan hybrid of RtCW, weren't fairly immersive in their own right.

>>16332798

Never played Killzone or Resistance, but the latter certainly never seemed like a Halo ripoff to me based on what I saw it, seemed more like a Cod clone, certainly wasn't halo-esque at all in aeshetics. Gears of War isn't even in the same subgenre, cmon anon. I've also never played Mass effect but isn't that also straight up an RPG with just some third person shooting elements? As far as the others, I also have not played most of those, but I'll give you Haze and such. Regardless, the FPS genre had a significant amount of diversity in the mid 2000's: I'd actually go as far as to say moreso then in the 90's.

>Yes, which is why….appropriate controller.

I mean sure, but that's not something you can really blame on Halo (how other games chose to (poorly) emulate Halo isn't really it's fault either, for that matter): Bungie was bought by MS, what were they supposed to do? Demand that MS re-dessign the controller to have trackballs?

>I'm actually willing to defend the series….nadir of the game.

For CE, absolutely, it's one of my least favorite campaigns in the series for this exact reason, I'll never understand why other Halo fans hold it in such high regard. At the same time, I don't think even CE's campaign is "bad". Tedious and repetuitive as hell, sure, but solid in spite of that, especially if you are focusing on the first half speffically. 2 still has some pretty tedious missions, namely the arbiter levels, and there's some instances of blatent padding elsehere (dude defend this building on Outskirts for like 10 fucking minutes straight), but overall it cuts down on that signcifantly, and 3, ODST, and Reach basically don't have it at all. I guess you could argue Mombassa Streets is just one giant padding overworld, but I feel like that's unfair since the atmosphere of having to roam around it is like half the point of the game.

Of course, by the sounds of things you haven't played those yet.

>3's campaign has way less lows then CE's and 2's does, though it's also got way less hiughs then 2 does: 2 is like a polar contrast of a bunch of great and then bad missions, wheras 3 is a mosre consistent "alright to good", though when 3 DOES have it's highs they are, without question, the best missions in the entire franchise. Even putting aside my love for Halo, i'm convinced that mission 8 in Halo 3 is one of the best stages ever put in a single player game. It's incredibly well designed and has litterally everything that makes the series great in 1 mission, though I don't wanna spoil it if you haven't played it yet. Anyways, it sort of returns back to CE's more open level design for exterior envoirments as well, if you enjoyed that.

>ODST is interesting, in that it's technically nonlinear, with you being dropped in a destroyed, city at night while doding covenant patrols and having to locate clues for what happened to your squadmates (each clue is a mission as a flashback to that squadmate) It's got the best soundtrack in the series and in general has I guess a sort of cyber-noire tone, it's very atmospheric having jazz and piano and shit play while you explore this broken down futuristic city. Missions themselves are pretty good: none of them are fantastic, but all are good to great. I wish it strayed a little bit more from Halo's gameplay, though: it still plays like Halo, making it a straight up tactical FPS would have been neat.

>Reach is, like ODST, more somber in tone and focuses on a specific cast of characters that interact more, which is good for the writing, though it's not as sumber nor is the writing as good as in ODST. MIssions are some of the largest and most open in the series, and, like ODST, aren't really ever bad, and just range from good to great, though, not as well as ODST either. Having your multiplayer customized character actually be the character you play as in SP is neat though

>4 is in many ways sort of a spritual successor to CE: you start out in a spaceship, you crashland on the forerunner planet, you get this reveal when you step out and see a massive vista, there's a similar use of orchestral vs synth tracks to stress the dichomety of the natural areas vs forerunner ruins, and in that regard, despite the soundtrack not being by marty, the atmosphere is often even better then CE's… but the UNSC being EPIC DUDEBROS undermins it and while I respect the attempt to make an emotional story with MC and Cortana, it comes off as cringy and forced. THe AI is easily the worst in the series, and the level design is meh: It's pretty linear, but unlike 2 the design isn't nearly as strong, and it can get sort of tedious like CE and 2 at times, though not as bad

>5's campaign is a waste of time, don't even bother. and I say that as somebody who has 5's MP as one of the best in the series.

>>16333229

Well that was longer than I thought it was going to be. Just want to correct myself here so I am clear.

>Most other FPS do not do this as well as Halo CE did or the rest of the series for that matter.

I meant that other FPS don't do this as well as the Halo franchise. It looks like I might have said that even the rest of the series doesn't do it as well as Halo CE but I didn't actually mean it that way.

Also since I am posting again here, I hate what 343 did to the Forerunner. I really really fucking hate it. Might be very unrealistic on my part but Halo to me will always be humans vs covenant vs flood with Forerunner being this mysterious race of beings who were so advanced that they BTFO covenant and humans but yet for some reason aren't around anymore. Basically we were never meant to know what their real identity looks like besides just knowing about their structures and how the rings were built to contain the Flood. That shit with Promethean and Forerunners being le ebil villains now can fuck right the hell off. It pisses me off even. I don't care if that was Bungie's intention either. It would be shit if they intended it too. That is one thing I did kind of dislike about the first trilogy as well was the Covenant phasing out by the end of H3 but then again H3 was supposed to be the ending anyways.

>>16333241

Killzone is actually a pretty fun series but with some serious flaws that hold it back from greatness. Under Sony though I have no hope for the franchise ever since Sony is largely a soulless corporation that prefers to make movie games than anything that was remotely on the level of Halo. Not that Microsoft is any better here obviously since they have fucked up too.

>>16333229

I said this in >>16333241, but 4 honestly does the best job of any halo game at stressing a mysterious, otherworldy atmosphere to forerunner ruins. If you like that element of the games in particular, I legitimately think it's worth checking out for that reason alone, even if the terminals and some of the characters really reveal a lot, even if I think 4's campaign is meh *at best*.

Also, while I sympathize with the feeling of mystery being gone, the actual forerunner novels that let the cat out of the bag are extremely, extremely well written. I cannot imagine a better job being done in terms of an actual look at the forerunner-flood war and forerunner society. It gets pretty crazy, and a lot of people shit on it's more out there ideas when they hear about them second hand, but in the context of the books it's insanely effective and well done.

There's an insane amount of worldbuilding. with tons of time establishing the nature of forerunner society, technology, and how those interact; and he does a fantastic job of making the technology not just feel futuristic, but actually novel: It's not just "modern tech, but way better", there's actually really far out stuff that's just got no analogs to modern day technology that their society is built around, which just further stresses how advanced they are that this esoteteric, out where tech is still something they've had for so long theyr society is built around it

There's a palatable sense of timescales and distances as well. The characters in the novels are tens of thousands of years old, and the events and things being referenced are even older then that, as old and ancient to them as forerunner shit is to the UNSC and covenant. The whole thing feels like some sort of classical or biblical epic, and is sort of written as such, there's a very flowery, ornate, classical feel to a lot of the dialog; and, you have legendary, ancient heros, and even older, otherworldly forces beyond their comprehension

On that note, theres also a really, really strong Cosmic horror undercurrent to them, which gradually becomes more and more prevelant. It goes from a sort of dry look at forerunner society, then all hell breaks lose as it crumbles, post apocalyptic elements are introduced, which eventually devolves into body horror and psychological horror as the flood becomes more prvelalant, and then the entire last book is more cosmic horror then sci-fi. There's a tons of mysteries, buildup, suspense, revelations; etc. It's sort of paradoxical, but despite revealing so much about the forerunner and the flood, the trilogy has probably the most feelings of mystery, awe, and like, existential dread and terror (the books are as much cosmic horror as they are sci fi) of any piece of Halo media.

I can't garunteee you'll likely them, and they are pretty dense reads, and as I said, there is some really far out crazy stuff, but yeah.

>>16333263

>That shit with Promethean and Forerunners being le ebil villains now can fuck right the hell off

Have you actually played any of 4 or read those novels, btw, or are you just going on what you've heard? Because they really aren't evil.

>>16330736

well its not like people actually care about old games, people always bitch about arena shooters being dead, but nobody is willing to play them or set up a server, we have less people playing quake 3 than we did with UT2004 last week! and people always bitch about not being able to play qiake 3 anymore

>>16333316

what about all those failed modern arena shooters that flopped extremely hard because "if i wanted to play an arena shooter, i'd just play quake 3!!"

>>16333241

>Gears of War isn't even in the same subgenre, cmon anon. I've also never played Mass effect but isn't that also straight up an RPG with just some third person shooting elements?

GoW was a veteran PC dev cashing out for the Halo audience, and ME was much the same from Biowhore, fully casting off the free overhead camera that barely remained in KoTOR to go full shooter.

>what were they supposed to do? Demand that MS re-dessign the controller to have trackballs?

Yes, Nintendo has built controllers around their launch titles since the N64. If MS wanted to do FPS (and other big PC genres of the time, like RTS) right on console, using an appropriate controller should've been a major priority. Instead, (see vid, the similarities from DC to XBox were striking) MS basically just continued their prior relationship with Sega for something pretty conventional, and broke the FPS genre as a result.

>Of course, by the sounds of things you haven't played those yet.

I bought the OSuX port of HCE, and played most of the way through H2 on XBox. Haven't bothered playing any other Halos.

>>16333229

>Halo for awhile pretty much after it was first conceived of as an RTS game was being fine tuned so much into being a big epic and great console FPS tailor made specifically for the Xbox console.

This is actually one of my major beefs with Halo, and with its external consensus. The RTS stage of the game's development was relatively brief, and it spent most of its dev as something more akin to Starsiege with a persistent open world SP/team coop campaign. The XBox version certainly benefited from the high polish that had already gone into the earlier version (smart tactical squad AI, interesting reactive enemies, vehicles with excellent controls, sophisticated physics, entrancing worldbuilding, cool atmosphere in music/presentation, small touches like reload/switch/melee controls being cancelable), but the game that shipped on XBox was a travesty of what Bungie had been working on to that point.

The SP completely campaign was gutted and cobbled back together from architectural building blocks of what went before, and multiplayer was hacked together as an afterthought by literally one single guy. This pattern continued for the remainder of the trilogy, with H2 being a rush-job that was supposedly half its intended length, H3 likewise mostly being composed of leftover concepts intended for H2 and dropping a large chunk of its content to end on a surprise cliffhanger.

>It was a sci-fi epic you could get behind that seemingly at the time was extremely marketable.

>>16333285

>the actual forerunner novels that let the cat out of the bag are extremely, extremely well written.

And here's the other thing that angered me about Halo. Why wasn't that in the games? There's the novels, tie-ins like ilovebees, and pity concessions to lorefags like those sooper sekrit oldskool terminals in H3, plus of course all the little consolefag cutscenes and omniscient voice of Cortana or whoever chattering in your helmet. But what about the mountains of text that pre-XBox Bungie games had, spread throughout the levels and the game's interface, and integrated as a necessary part of progressing in the game? Instead of plot and worldbuilding being frustratingly sparse, or being divorced from the game as promotional tie-in material or some sort of easter egg, it's actually core to the experience.

And, of course, both Bungie with Destiny, and 343i with the new Halo games/novels/TV shows/etc., are repeating all of these mistakes on a grander and more infuriating scale.

>>16333468

You messed up the finger on the gun, could place the gun at the bottom center of the image, would make more sense.

>>16333370

There's always a million excuses why those failed, but the reality seems to be that too few people really care about them.

>>16330550

>implying gay jumping and rocket jumping in Quake was good

Maybe if you're autistic

>>16333500

and even less play them

>>16331793

>Nitpicking little flaws

Because helping people aim in a game about your skill at aiming is a little flaw. Fellate a shotgun.

>>16333580

>why not just participate in the hundreds of repulsive corporate cock sucking circle jerks over halo on those other websites

Probably because they've already been permanently banned from every where else for being obnoxious cunts.

>>16331793

doing god's work anon

>>16330874

All you need is an Outlook email address.

>>16331788

>>16331793

>>16331784

I thought I was in cuckchan with posts this cancerous.

>>16333580

Retaliatory shit posting on contrarian sheep is 100% justified, if they didn't want it they shouldn't have been so obvious, and if they want it to stop it's up to them to do so.

>>16331797

Slide and shoot is better once you get used to it. It allows the c stic to be a 1 for 1 of what you see on screen allowing for better aim once you get gud.

>>16331836

That wasn’t my post at all. Actually read the OP.

>>16332733

Fuck off cuckchan.

>>16330736

I've already seen people talking about how great Uncharted is here.

>>16334055

It's the most polished middle of the road cover shooter around, and the climbing in combat is neat. Also one of the prettiest games around. TPS is kinda dead recently, isn't it? If you want something inoffensive and passable there's your game. Not gonna blow your mind.

If you don't whinge and piss yourself how it's the worst thing ever that is killing gaming and toss in a few juvenile phrases like kusony, soyny, and what have you all of the sudden a post as bland as this is the most offensive thing to some people. You dont need to be a massive hyperbolic autist in every post, you know?

>>16334004

>shitting up a thread for something I don't like because they criticized something I like

>if you don't like halo you're a sheep

Holy shit kill yourself.

>>16334039

>Pokémon Red/Blue in the list

>No other Pokémon is listed

Literally any gen is better than genwun. Tryhard list 3/10.

>>16334094

you may be right but telling everyone they're wrong makes you an asshole

>>16334108

#17

I really hated halo as a kid but miss playing split-screen with my brother and friends, I'd get the madcatz controller and lose every match.

I still have a burnt DVD with killtrocity mappack.

>>16334162

which gaylos?

>>16334039

>someone is still posting that cuckchan image

>>16334444

By today’s standards Halo is far better than what we get today. An over rated console shooter of the past is a masterpiece compared to what we get today as far as FPS is concerned. It’s hilarous that more FPS are released these days than ever before but they are all shit.

>>16330736

>>16334078

See what I mean.

>>16334444 (checked)

Not to mention Halo 2 had features like the friends list that Microsoft ended up making it a feature that came with the 360 dashboard

>>16334349

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>>16334039

Sometimes you need someone to take a principled stand in order to overcome groupthink. God bless HL2spamanon.

>>16334619

>armor lock in middle of firefight

>enemies stop shooting and wait for you to come out of it

>can't attack in any way, shape, or form, watching the timer slowly drain

>as soon as you come out of it you get assblasted to oblivion with plasma from all sides

it's only really useful if you want AI teammates to clean up for you, but even then you could just hide behind a rock or some shit and get the exact same effect

>>16331793

What got deleted?

>>16334675

same thing still applies, the other armor upgrades you could choose from are vastly more beneficial. the only useful scenario for it is if you're about to be blasted with a rocket/plasma blast, but again, every other upgrade is vastly superior

>>16334626

fucking this. Anything from the Half-Life series really shouldn't be allowed on this board

It was comfy living through halo 1, 2, 3. Haven't played since reach but i heard im not missing much. I'll probably get the reboots for pc. Seems like they're releasing games individually with reach first. I'll probably only go for the first three and reach

>>16334747

Wow so we've quite literally resurrected that "no trolling" rule from 4chan now? Finally the transformation is complete.

>>16332525

in all honesty I used to feel HL was superior until I went back and played them and man, they have not aged well. Likewise we will never get a HL3 because Gabe has that as his last hurrah if the company goes under from VR headsets and Steam Machines, since he knows it won't live up to the hype.

>>16335306

they're really overrated and that mustard mindset is poison when it comes to praising some real mediocre games as far better than they really are.

>>16334472

Well duh. That's why NuGod of War exists and dumbed it down even more.

>>16335311

>Defends Auto Aim

>Uses the term Mustard unironically

>Get's triggered by PC shooters

Why are you here and not on cuckchan where you belong?

>>16332705

If you actually took that post at face value I don't really know what to tell you.

>>16335751

>defends unskippable cutscenes

>defends mediocrity like half-life

>offended by the term mustard

that's just sad, but when you let others define your taste for you I can't say I'm surprised

>>16334619

Well it is a fun game but it did largely throw out the even starts balance the series was known for. Reach armor abilities biggest issue is they were too powerful and caused a lot of rock/paper/scissors moments rather than fights of true absolute skill. Another thing that Reach was bad with was the maps. The maps were largely bad or just plain forgettable with few that stood out to me as good. At least 5 from what I remember were Forge World maps and the design pieces to play with in Reach weren't as visually appealing at least imo than in previous Halo games. I mentioned earlier how I hate how the Forerunner designs started getting crappier and I would say after H3 is when it gets noticeable. Forge is very cool and all but it does lead to maps that can look like ugly messes unpleasing to the eye which I think is an issue worth noting. Maps like hemorrhage don't suffer as much visually since they don't have much pieces made in Forge World but then maps like cage look like absolute crap and even play like crap too thanks to armor abilities.

Another thing on Reach is I don't think its campaign was nearly as great or memorable as it could have been. Maybe its because it was only one game rather than 2 or 3 but I felt zero attachment to the team and their deaths. They just don't stick around long enough in the franchise for their deaths to carry much weight to it. Contrast this with Gears of War and Dom dying felt like a big loss since he's with you through three games and sacrifices himself for his team. Really to me the biggest highlight of Reach's campaign is the space battle since that had not been done before in Halo and that was fantastic. Too bad they never did much more with the idea though because the people handling Halo now are incompetent monkey's. Space multiplayer combat could have been so cool but I doubt we will ever see it.

So overall Reach is an okay game but Bungie definitely showed their fatigue for Halo by this point and the game could have been way better and more balanced in its multiplayer.

>>16337342

>Another thing that Reach was bad with was the maps. The maps were largely bad or just plain forgettable with few that stood out to me as good. At least 5 from what I remember were Forge World maps and the design pieces to play with in Reach weren't as visually appealing at least imo than in previous Halo games. I mentioned earlier how I hate how the Forerunner designs started getting crappier and I would say after H3 is when it gets noticeable. Forge is very cool and all but it does lead to maps that can look like ugly messes unpleasing to the eye which I think is an issue worth noting. Maps like hemorrhage don't suffer as much visually since they don't have much pieces made in Forge World but then maps like cage look like absolute crap and even play like crap too thanks to armor abilities

I got sick of Reach after they introduced the Forge World maps into the playlists. It also pissed me off that I never got the chance to play on a DLC map, always those fucking dark grey forerunner prefabs because people always vote for those maps. Also the artificial ceiling in the progression system pissed me off too, I dropped the game after I got stuck at lieutenant colonel.

>>16337485

HL2 is shit too, quit lying to yourself.

>>16337485

Half Life 1 is leagues better than Halo but Halo 1 is better than Half Life 2.

>>16337485

HL2 is trash

>>16337485

Who started this gay Halo vs HL slapfight anyway? Was it halofags or HLfags?

>>16337769

Halofags got analy annihilated when someone criticized their golden calf, and now shitpost like there's no tomorrow.

>>16337769

Halofags (mostly on GameFAQs) and Reddit. Halofags were infamous for unironically placing Halo in the #1 spot on "best game ever" lists, meanwhile the large contingent of stereotypical mustard gayben cocksuckers that tended to congregate on Reddit, while usually not quite as delusional, still tended to overhype HL1/2 as a flawless masterpiece among FPSs.

>>16337769

>who started it

>>16337781

>>16339072

>halofags

>when autists come into halo threads and go (12) showing off their epic taste

>>16335306

HL1 is still superior than HL2. 2 is a tech demo and what we got was the byproduct of the leak of the beta happening, so valve changed it up.

Halo is an alright shooter (discounting 343i stuff). Other people are right, we've had a few games in recent years come out to try and capture the quake/UT crowd and they died rather quickly due to lack of interest. I think a lot of people in that mindset of "It's not quake/UT" tend to just want a stagnant genre, that's not to defend modern shooters and I say this because anons over the years have become so retarded that unless you specifically state something they have no fucking clue what you're talking about

>>16339079

I helped start it long ago in a halo 2 vs hl2 thread someone made here. The hl2 fans had no arguments except it being a console game, so not an argument. Halo 2 fans described in detail the cool things about the game, acknowledged it's flaws but insisted that hl2 is far blander in comparison and has much less ambitious mechanics and design as well as unskippable cutscenes disguised as interactive character exposition when in reality it's just some talking head talking at you for several minutes, making a gag or two about how quiet you are, and then telling you the thing you are gonna do next all while acting awkward.

Hl2 fags failed to engage hard and the dominant narrative became that halo 2 is unsung in its greatness and hl2 is truly overrated. We can still witness the effects of this cornerstone of a thread that forever changed the tides of discussion and ultimately revealed the complacency and stupidity of hl2 fans.

>>16339275

meant to reply to >>16339207 as well.

>>16339079

>>16339229

This thread started off with OP noting Halo's mediocrity and baleful influence, it's not a fanboi thread.

>>16335958

Who the fuck are you quoting? Jesus Christ you should go back

>>16339187

Technically, HL1 was a tech demo as well. Just showing off different things (like skeletal animation).

>>16339278

He also wanted real disscussion, other than

>WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH I DUNT LIEK IT SO ITS ANUDDA SHOAH :(((((

>>16339275

The best games are console games.

>>16330736

>No videogames allowed on /v/

>>16339382

>stop trying to talk smart

>me only have 2nd year english skills

>talk like everyone else please me confused

No.

>Its pretty damn funny since this could be taken as you talking about either of the games

Except you can skip the halo cutscenes, and captain king isn't a silent self insert for nerdy pc gamers. I'd love to be too busy shooting things but hl2 keeps forcing me to listen to its diverse mixed race cast talk at me before arbitrarily opening a door like it's a call of duty game. This is the level of argumentation that put hl2 fans on the bottom rung of the pecking order. This is why they will be irrelevant for the rest of eternity, years of pretending to be smart and when the time comes to show what they got, it's nothing but impotence.

>>16332705

>You know what doesn't get enough credit? Campaign scoring.

I agree, I didn't dig very deep into that aspect at the time, but I enjoyed the little I dabbled in it and i'm looking forward to experimenting with the Skulls more. I love the concept of the skulls most of them really do keep things fresh.

if /v/ hates gaylo that much why do they vote for it on the gamenight poll?

I played Halo CE with zero expectations and I just uninstalled by the fourth mission. The first rifle you get does fuck-all damage and enemies take forever to kill. The game had large swathes of fucking nothing to walk/drive around doing nothing and waiting for a goddamn drop ship to either pick you up or drop more nuisances. How did this even get so popular anyway?

>>16339412

>t-thats just your opinion b-bro

It's a fact you cant skip cutscenes in hl. Halo mp is also far superior and custom games are better than any hl mod. Go back to reddit with your sound packs of some dudes voice. That shit is pedestrian faggotry.

>liking the most generic sci fi stories imaginable

You're not even being coherent any more. This is sad.

>>16339406

If HL had any decency it wouldn't waste my time with a shit story. Instead of embracing what makes games work and separating what doesn't into neatly skippable ans entertaining mini movies it instead presents you with the opportunity to stack as many books to reloeve your boredom. The writing and story telling is for pseud's who exclusively get high on their own farts. It's why they feel so threatened when a better game comes along.

I want to eat out a Sangheili's puss

>>16339430

They're tsundere for it and know it's great but are conflicted because it's not socially acceptable to like it. Times are changing however.

>>16339401

>stop trying to talk smart

You clearly cant read since I explicitly said to only stop talking like a pretentious faggot.

And you're doing the pretentious faggot thing again where you just imply how you're smart while acting like a total fucking retard just because I'm not sucking your opinion off, kind of like how faggots usually get pissy when you don't suck up to them.

>Except you can skip the halo cutscenes

Still cant read I see, since my post didn't claim that you cannot.

>years of pretending to be smart

Its pretty sad to see someone who is a mental slave to a fucking intellectual property say this.

And don't try to act like you aren't forced to have exactly the same kind of interactions in halo games as you are in half life games, ie you come across a friendly npc who talks for 10-20 seconds before you can proceed through a door or some shit like that. Not to mention there are probably a whopping 5-10 of so instances throughout the 2-4 hour games.

If a few seconds of lull between action are too much for you then you might be severely autistic.

Or you can avoid said shit completely and play the vastly superior multiplayer and that goes for both games.

>>16339406

>Remember, there was a time when devs didn't abuse story as an excuse to funnel the player through their museum

No that's pretty much always been the case, these days its just that the museum is made by some insufferable pretentious faggot who lives in California who thinks his social commentary is witty, funny or wanted while being none.

>At least HL had the decency to mostly stick with face-to-face NPC conversation

Most of the time it gives the player the option to move which I used to look around for items or funny things like the the portal you can break in dr.breen's lab and such. Which was much more fun that having to stare at their faces or skip the thing entirely but story wise only served to diminish any impact the narrative might have had.

>>16339430

>>16339450

>/v/ is one person

Consider that there is an 8ch steam group with self admitted redditors and god knows what else and make your own conclusions.

Nu/v/, where the 360 generation is nostalgic of Halo and hates on Half-Life. I wish I could bring these generals back in time to warn people that their little brothers are gonna ruin gaming.

>>16339681

i don't know where you are getting that people hate half life, all i see is that they like HL1 but not HL2 because it was a boring tech demo that lacked the fast paced gameplay

>>16339681

I think anybody who plays good games knows Halo is shite but that shouldn't stop people from talking about it if they want

>>16330550

It's actually strange, Halo ushered the era of ultra casual shooterrs with low variety and ultra scripted AI while having a fair amount of variety , an AI that is actually fun to battle against provided you're on the higher difficulty levels and a fairly high level of challenge on the highest difficulty levelscompared to even other FPSes regardless of era.

I do still vastly prefer the way Timesplitters went for making a shooter around the limitations of a controller based control scheme but I have to admit it's probably still one of the better implementation of asymmetric PvE as in singleplayer but the vast majority of enemies aren't "generic hitscan soldier guy" out there outside of old iDtech / BUILD engine games.

>>16339689

There are a (((certain))) group of people that want to control the dialog even on image boards.

>>16339475

Hl2 cutscenes are several minutes long, don't try to lie about games everyone and their mother has played.

>>16339436

I know I'm taking the bait but

>implying puny earth 7.62 does anything against energy shields

Protip: drop the shield with energy weapons and let the AR rip, it's not too bad and the huge mag means that you can rambo through grunts left and right.

Or use the Pistol. Kills Minor Elites in 3 headshots and Majors in just a few more.

I enjoy halo but the game was not in any way a benefit to fps gaming, all the talk of dumbing down arena mechanics, slow movement, and dudebro military pandering are true. Unfortunately half life while also bringing in what could be considered detrimental mechanics ushered in two generations of god like modding and pushed the modding scene forward. This isn't to say that halo didn't have its fair share of modding but for Hl1 and 2 they invented entirely new games and pushed the modding community further al la doom to quake. What we're seeing now though is those same children, who we made fun of and called xbox kiddies are now growing up. Unfortunately there's a lot of them and they refuse to play or attempt to get good anywhere else. So you're going to see a lot of casuals treating halo like it was some big fps evolution when it was really just the beginning of the end for shooters overall.

>>16340856

Dude I know and like the Master Chief has legs in cutscenes but if you look down you can't see his legs 0/10 shit game

>>16340856

I have no idea how their shield would work. The field affecting the metal jacket somewow? Maybe the books explained that shit, they covered the MAC gun and space travel.

>culturally they would have moved "beyond" physical projectiles

It's not like melee combat completely disappears if you switch to energy weapons. If they were a competent military force then they'd atleast account for that. Plus, who knows how many other civilizations the Covenant wiped out? Maybe they had firearms as well.

The covenant weapons worked very well against human armor story-wise, anyway.

>>16339430

>internet poll

>meaning fucking anything

>>16339753

>an AI that is actually fun to battle against provided you're on the higher difficulty levels

Anon…

>>16340976

It would be a pretty boring game if the UNSC weapons were OP against shields and the Covie weapons were OP against flesh. There'd be no benefit to using anything but UNSC weapons. The whole point is that you need to hammer Elites with bullets or use their own weapons against them and then hammer their unshielded bodies with bullets.

That Reach trailer song was so great.

>>16341071

Last I remember it's been a long fucking time I only played that on PC back in 2006 with and 2 still had the crappy crack that had you launch the game with different .bat to play different missions camping the cover gets you killed really fucking quick on legendary so you have to be on the move nearly all the time and switch weapon quite often because energy and kinetic weapons aren't meant for the same targets.

It's no DOOM Although even UV -fast isn't quite as hard as legendary unless you're playing some harder WAD but it's still above any other modern shooter in that you actually have to juggle priorities in a firefight.

>>16341261

I'm not arguing in favor of Halo. Halo and HL2 are both fucking cancer.

>>16332525

Halo 1-3 are all better than HL2

>>16340856

>the Covenant because culturally they would have moved "beyond" physical projectiles

Brute weapons

>>16341034

That was from 4/v/ in like 2012

>>16342012

>2012

/v/ heavily went to shit in 2010 when it realized reddit existed and was "stealing it's memes", it then proceeded to fuck itself over with retardation till the cancer became inoperable.

>>16342033

This, if you started using imageboards after 2009 you're basically the problem.

>>16330550

It has what many PC shooters, and shooters in general, lack. A quality, decent length cooperative campaign and party game modes. If you play Halo for basic bitch shit like deathmatch you're honestly a drone.

>>16342033

In my opinion, the worst year for /v/ was probably 2011. God, it was awful.

>>16342520

You sound insecure about your own personal choices.

>>16342520

This is the best "gatekeeping" you can do? No wonder halofags are rolling you.

>>16332576

I'll have to agree with this, half life 2 was really gay

>>16343242

Halofags can't roll anything without aim assist.

>>16344296

Don't need aim assist to roll your weakass insults you man lovin penis oven.

>>16344707

Halo isnt a good game, its a fun game, you dont play for the shitty maps with basic modes you play for the custom maps and custom gamemodes, like CS, no one ever plays that shit for hostage rescue its either surf or ze_escape on some cool looking custom map

So when's the release date for PC?

>>16344844

End of the month for the first wave of tests for Reach.

>>16330550

The two weapon limit and it's method of health/shield regen were terrible additions to the fps genre.

However, were Halo a squad-based rts, these features would be god-tier

nice to see even the elitists on 8ch finally quit gatekeeping on Halo discussion

once its on Nintendo Switch soon, that will be the ultimate end of that.

>>16332705

>Why do people repeat this meme?

It's not a meme. You're just poor in logic.

Casualization is a trend. Trends don't occur instantly. You can trace aspects of a trend directly to popular things. Whatever trend occurs marks the decline of previous and competing trends.

Just because arena shooters came out during Halo's popularity doesn't mean their popularity and influence wasn't dwindling. As Halo's popularity increased, so did its influence and with every passing sequel did its influence spread to other games.

Halo didn't singlehandedly casualize gaming but its popularity along with COD4 did.

>>16354532

>Thread receives no new posts for days

>bunch of (1)s out of nowhere

Totally organic.

>>16354575

cope

>>16330891

Van Gogh is fine too. Picasso is total shit tho.

>>16333311

>we have less people playing quake 3 than we did with UT2004 last week!

That's because Quake III is literally inferior to UT2004.

>>16354583

>>>/reddit/

>>>/nigger/