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The fuck are reversals and inertia and why are people sperging about them not being in DMC5

>>16316075

>still no Vergil

Actually

>>16316085

I actually got pissed off until I realized this isn’t actually Capcom’s YT channel

>>16316085

One of these years I'll learn to ignore every fucking thing said on this bullshit day.

>>16316091

>>16316105

>>16316085

Yeah, after pic related, I think they learned their lesson with April Fools' jokes.

I was planning to put it down for the foreseeable future, since between all six games in the series I've put in about 400 more hours in the past year, but that does sounds enticing, I'm down for another week of BP.

>>16316019

Reversals are in, though, mostly.

When's Vergil?

>>16316254

>>16316254

I got too cocky

I've never really bothered with BP mode but I'm enjoying 5's enough to get to level 67. I've quit for now (which is an awesome feature) and will go back in a little bit. Does anyone know what the penalties are? I failed a run earlier and saw it in the result screen but it was blank.

>>16316279

Trying a bit too hard to fit in there, m8.

>>16316281

I have no clue. You can't revive when you lose, and I don't know about any other penalties except maybe auto mode?

>>16316285

Auto mode makes sense, perhaps also using suspend?

Also earlier I finished M15 on DMD. I used a gold orb (try to avoid using them, if I do its only once per mission) and at around one third of her HP, I somehow dive bomed myself and Malphus under the map and won.

>>16316286

All that means is that for you, the best is yet to come. Or one of the best, anyway. Give yourself a whole day for it and don't let yourself get tilted.

>>16316279

If this ain't bait Idk what is.

Go SSS the bosses on DMD mode and then tell us it's a basic bitch mechanic game.

This nigga can't even into combos in this game.

>>16316014

barbed

>>16316303

>4cuck memes

>>16316311

>Biting and not just filtering

So how deep is the Palace? I'm assuming 100 levels.

<<16316279

<<16316303

<<16316317

You're a tryhard faggot, we get it.

>>16316286

>bully

I'd trade places with you if I could, to play the game for the first time again. Although I wouldn't really look forward to starting up fresh save files across five different versions of the game.

>>16316324

Depends on if they're going with the DMC2/3 style palace or the DMC4 style palace. The latter has 100 floors, the former has 9999.

I wish we could try out a dark souls/sekiro camera style (always snaps behind your character), sometimes it's difficult to get the input direciton right, especially if you are above an enemy.

>>16316324

101 I believe, same as DMC4.

How many floors have you managed to clear in less than 10 seconds? I've gotten two of the early floors (quick scissors kill and coming into the two tentacles with a full Exceed and spinning through both of them) but I wonder if it's possible and reliable to do more.

i know that is good that BP doesn't have a multiplayer option, but why the fuck capcom invested money and wasted time on making a multiplayer mechanic if they're only gonna use it in like 3 fucking missions?

>>16316615

Dragon's Dogma 2 is next now. A lot of people have theorized that the 'co op' is being used as a minor testbed for a larger version of the feature in that.

>>16316615

I feel a good deal of things will be used to Jew us later on. Vergil, Lady and Trish DLC, the data mined Divergence mode which lets you play any mission as whoever you want, co-op BP etc.

>>16316653

Yeah, Itsuno did good but Capcom's gotta Cap. Still, if there's going to be DLC, I'll take doubling the playable roster over some gimmicky bullshit like the ghost survivors in REmake2.

>the data mined Divergence mode which lets you play any mission as whoever you want

I genuinely thought it would be standard after beating the game, but I'll admit it was more a hope than a sincere belief. Still, with Bloody Palace, every character has plenty of shit to do.

>>16316674

Yeah the game we got is still plenty of game. They would also have to redo bosses like Gilgamesh so Dante and V can fight him.

So unfortunately, not every Devil Breaker can be picked up on Nero's Rest Area in BP (even the useless ones) when I seriously wanted the Gerbera GP01s for each and I only stopped until Mission 100.

>>16316281

I'm pretty sure it's the Super Character forms that will penalize you having to measly C grade in the end.

>>16316470

>Wanting the fucking CAMERA of Dark Souls in DMC of all things

The Souls camera is one of the most worst in any god damn action game and fuck you, your mother, and hell your entire genetic line for even suggesting that you ruin DMC with that kind of garbage.

is this game good

>Died to cavaliere

Was expecting to eat shit earlier but still a pleasant surprise. Gotta see how far I can get as Nero and V.

>>16317241

Are you playing the PC version of 3? I'd suggest downloading the Style-Switcher mod if you haven't already.

>>16316019

Reversals and inertia are the things that Autistic Combo Pros uses to make their gameplay look really fancy and cool, they used these things to basically milk as much out of DMC4 as they could for 11 years. I understand why they are upset that these things aren't in DMC5. but at the same time it's hard for me to care since it's never been practical and learning to use those things is a full time job.

>>16317095

Does this need to be asked in every single DMC related thread?

If you are at all a fan of Devil May Cry then you would already be able to tell that DMC5 is good just by looking at it.

If your not already a DMC fan then play DMC 1, 3, and 4 first.

>>16317274

I can appreciate the autism that combo spergs have to make their videos and shit, and Donguri's stuff is always cool to see.

I've never bothered learning specific combos because I feel like improvising and working with what you get is half the fun of DMC's combat.

>>16317255

Nah, PS3.

>>16317241

Nevan + Rebellion, especially with SM/GS.

Using Gunslinger properly can be a bit alien. Artemis is mandatory, the Stinger -> Wild Stomp buffer trick is VERY stylish if you can do it, and GS + Spiral is strong but extremely spammy. GS+Cerberus+Nevan+Artemis+E&I/shotgun can be a lot of fun, but I'd never take it to a boss fight.

I don't like Beowulf at all without SM and even then it's just for Real Impact or to feel cool getting Hyper Fist off. Kinda the same thing with A&R, Tempest is stupid broken.

>getting better with RG

Don't feel like you need to learn how to block everything, it's a great style even if you're only doing some jump parries + block cancels. Nevan is an easy boss to start on.

>>16317241

I exclusively go with Rebellion+Cerberus with Swordmaster in 3.

You think if there's Trish+Lady DLC they'll just give Trish Alastor with her DMC4 moveset since Sparda's inside Dante?

>>16317360

I still haven't used Nevan much, I didn't quite get how to use it well when I tried. Seems like a neat weapon.

>Don't feel like you need to learn how to block everything

Yeah, I'd like to but I still avoid a lot of attacks just from habit.

>>16317498

I imagine they will just have Trish be the same from 4. Lady gets the Kalina Ann 2 which has more tech, one idea I had was that she could keep firing it at the floor/enemies to stay in the air. Sort of like a downward Gerbera.

I just got my ass kicked by Cerberus stupid fucking falling ice in bloody palace. Fml.

>>16316019

Reversals: attacks that require a lock on input like Stinger reversed by buffering the input during another attack animation, letting go of the lock on button and moving the LStick, effectively changing the direction of the attack.

Inertia: Momentum generated by a plethora of moves, used to increase air mobility.

Both mechanics are present to some extent in DMC5 but they don't operate in the same way they did in DMC4 and for the most part are considered to be less effective.

As someone with hundreds of hours in DMC4, I do know where the sperging is coming from but I can't get behind it because it's coming from the perspective of a game played and dissected by thousands of people from all over the world for more than a decade. Even these "veterans" seem to forget nobody knew about these hidden mechanics in DMC4 back when it came out, it took quite a while to find them and more so for players to become flashy with them. DMC5 is barely a month old, there's no point trying to reproduce old tech in this game when the effort should be finding new tech. I also get the feeling a lot of people are just parroting what "pros" are saying because I don't buy that that many people are good enough at DMC4 to complain, considering the time investment.

>>16317488

>For all the shit V gets, I was expecting this to be much more difficult.

Since when did V get shit for being harder to play then Dante or Nero? He's baby's first action game mode.

>>16317241

All styles and all weapons are very useful during at least one point in the campaign, so I have specific missions and bosses where I want a specific loadout. I generally stick with Royalguard or Swordmaster depending on the enemies in the mission, and use the other four incidentally as they become relevant.

>Doppleganger and QS don't seem great

Quicksilver is good against both Arkham and DMD Vergil, and it's an element of one strategy against the DMD Damned Chessboard. Doppelganger can be good against Gigapede.

Reminder to piratefags that Bloody Palace has always been in the game, unlockable with a trainer https://www.nexusmods.com/devilmaycry5/mods/80

Capcom was doing nothing for a month literally.

>>16317941

Reminder that despite the efforts of modders and reverse-engineering tools, none of these modes nor these assets could be ripped nor used, not even for SFM porn.

>>16318121

>not even for SFM porn

Thank Christ, because SFMfags assblast their shit all over every booru and then never fucking tag it properly so you can avoid it.

>>16318121

I've seen some Nico, Lady and Trish SFM porn already.

>>16317788

Are you alright?

>>16319391

It's one of /tech/'s resident autists. I'm surprised to see him here, never knew he browsed /v/.

>>16317076

>transpride

how?

>>16319462

This whole thing is desperate fags throwing their bullshit on literally everything they can, I wouldn't worry about it. It's the political equivalent of Hey Kids!

>>16318121

>SFM porn.

Most SFM porn is poorly animated and the girls look either bored or like they're barely feeling anything despite the dick they are taking.

>>16321216

Some people are just bad. It's in their nature, and cannot be changed.

>>16318121

>tfw still waiting for mod to make the female characters not ugly

There a Nico mod that removes her glasses but that just a start.

>>16321230

Come on, surely someone who made it to mission 16 SoS without a gold orb doesn't deserve to be straight up called bad.

>>16321516

>>16321216

You just need practice, I haven't played BP just yet I only just finished DMD, but I Personally think it's a better Idea to try do DMD before you try beating BP, since then you'll be prepared for any enemy at it's most dangerous.

while having prior DMC experience helps allot, your still gonna need to learn the how to adapt your tactics to what the new bosses will throw at you. It's always going to take allot of tries to S rank DMD, or beat Bloody Palace, but that feeling of knowing that your skills are increasing after every attempt is one of the best parts of DMC. That "Oh I was so close, I'll get him this time!" Feeling doesn't show up as often nowadays.

Shit, I didn't mean to reply

>>16321216

Take the game slowly and hit the void often. Early on you want to be efficient rather than flashy, this means having good positioning and capitalizing when you have openings, use moves with long windups or AoE to fill the style meter quickly. Until you have a good grasp of a character's kit you want to take your time and be deliberate. Eventually you'll gain confidence in your abilities and this is when you want to screw around and experiment.

>>16317794

This, the only thing remotely challenging about his gameplay is shadow's inconsistent spacing and lack of gap closers and that is the fault of the game

>>16321990

Thats pretty cool

>>16319631

Could have ended like SF x Tekken with the on-disc DLC fiasco, but this one's for free, still stupid that it took a Chink who was fiddling with the in-game files to discover everything but the menu option and online scoreboard was there.

>>16321990

>V as the Crow

Double Edge done right.

>>16322583

Rawhide?

>>16322583

I find that using Nero's shuffle to parry works great since he's invincible during the step back

>tfw I've scummed my way through DMD with gold orbs and even some red orb revives

I'm not worthy of the devil hunter title.

>being struggle a bit in DMD

>hear here that dantes stages are actually harder

>reach stage 10

>died a lot

>finnaly beat the stage

>rank A

Life is suffering, but seriously what the hell? beat the first battle with 6200 style points and the second battle it falls to 5000 despise not even take damage and reach SSS, how the hell this shit works?

also fuck mission 8,10,18

>>16317241

SWORDMASTER

NEVAN ONLY

SHIRTLESS DANTE ONLY

>>16322966

Guns are allowed for juggling and combo purposes

>>16321990

Any mods that fix the females yes?

>>16322950

>mission12

which one is that again? the one that you get the devil sword dante? if so yeah, its also a chore get rank S in that mission (so much i didnt bother doing it in SOS)

>>16323247

Oh whoops

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=C7ehS1qQtdI

>>16323247

hmmm

so if you reach SSS and use With Ebony & Ivory or roud trip would raise your style points?

>>16323437

Should be, although it'd be tough to maintain SSS with E&I's primary fire alone. Man in the Red (Faust's shield thing), Swords Formation, DSD's Round Trip, Rainstorm, SDT's the Luce (which you can throw in through Quadruple S), Balrog's basic punches, those are all easy ways to rack up the hit count during a combo. I'd also assume each of Cavaliere's held attacks count for multiple hits, although I barely use it so I couldn't say for certain.

The way a lot of people cheese this is to start the first mob of a mission, or I guess every mob, by perfect guarding every attack until you reach SS or higher, and then starting your combo there. It gets a little tedious though, even on DMD, waiting for those attacks, so I think the only mission where I resorted to that was M12.

https://youtu.be/SzS2caNja28

I hate that this exist

>>16323903

>no embed

>no invidious link

people like you should be banned, honestly.

>>16323903

I thought it was interesting. At least they're not shitting on the game or making a political statement. I love knowing what crazy people think of the games I like.

>>16324614

How many jewbux did that idiot waste on that?

>>16324792

I literally have 40 gold orbs, but to be fair I'm pretty stylish if I do say so myself.

>>16324789

I'm far from a good player and scummed out big time with gold and red orbs on SoS and especially with DMD, but I didn't use a single one on DH.

>>16324857

I did use gold orbs on DH, but to be fair I was drunk. In SoS I'm just accepting defeat and retry when I fall and I've been able to overcome bosses up to mission 15.

>>16324857

Ashamed to say I used a gold orb on DH on my first playthrough. I was playing mission 19 and Vergil's clone distracted me for a split second and I got judgement cut into pieces. I did beat him yesterday on DMD and got a S rank, so that was nice.

>>16330376

I think I only used them on DMD, once in mission 17 and then another on mission 18, nightmare had a pixel of health left and I just wanted to get to Vergil.

I should redo those missions but I'm having fun on BP for now.

>>16330393

>scrub making pathetic excuses for his failure

as expected

>>16332019

That image makes me chuckle every time

>>16319579

There were even people throwing this shit around in the april fools pannenkoek stream. I hate this fucking shit. For like 3 days i couldnt be anywhere that's not here without seeing someone throw that shit around for no goddamn reason.

>>16332019

Did you try reading the thread

>>16317941

I want a replica of V's cane. Only if it's high quality and milled out of a solid piece of aluminum.

>>16332893

I guess it's because DMC1 and 3 still had those RE type keys and locks system, while DMC5 got rid of all that and just focused on the combat.

>>16317241

I like swordmaster the most. But most of the attacks it gives seem filler, and don't really give much utility. Ie. most of the attacks you can use to move around, are accessible as standard attacks. I'm an ultrabad though.

>>16332773

V's Pokemon are fancy astral projections. They are basically physical manifestations of parts of Vergil's mind. Griffon died in DMC1 yet he turns back up again in DMC5. Vergil can just will him back into existence whenever he wants.

>>16332917

I'd probably say for the better in 5's case. They tweaked and perfected the combat so much that the puzzles would probably feel like a chore in comparison.

>>16333230

what makes you think griffon served Vergil in DMC1?

>>16332893

I have to agree. The lack of puzzles and barren arena design doesn't do much for the game. If they wanted the game to be a purely combat-oriented experience, that's what bloody palace is for. They need more to add a nice change of pace

>>16333446

Griffon served Mundus by default because Mundus controlled Vergil but he is technically still a part of Vergil. As long as Vergil lives he can return. Most likely why Mundus one shotted him in DMC1 when he failed to kill Dante. As far as Mundus was concerned he could just get Vergil to re-summon the bird.

Replaying DMC1 after playing DMC5 is one crazy trip.

>>16332893

Aesthetic wise, its a real nice looking game but yes, the actual layout and geometry of the game is quite lacking. More pits and stories in arenas would have been nice just to mix things up a bit.

>>16334288

THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN TOO TALL TO OVERCOME

>>16334288

Yep, a good way to end things, if it is the end. I very much doubt that DMC5 is the last, but its a fine ending regardless. I was hoping that they would go all out and have Dante, Vergil and Nero as the playable characters, taking on Urizen. I guess they can save that for 6, which would be rad as fuck. Redo the ending of 3 with Vergil and Dante swapping swords but have Nero and Vergil do it instead. Maybe we get Red Queen and Yamato fusion, Queen Yamato/Red Yamato.

>2:04

Holy shit

>>16334155

I wonder how hard would it be to add physics to Nero DMC4's hair, probably more work than it's worth. I wish someone make a mod with Dante's DMC4 hair.

How hard is the game compared to 3 and 4

>>16334563

harder than 4 due to Dante actually having more than one enemy and boss that is catered to his play style, but I'd say a bit easier than 3 until you unlock DMD.

>>16334563

Basically this >>16334569

DMD in DMC5 is harder than 3 but 3 is harder on every other difficulty. 4 is easiest.

>>16334563

IMO It feels about the same as DMC4 in terms Enemy/Player Health and Damage balance.

But Heaven/Hell and Hell Difficulty specifically is more challenging since you are now forced to restart the entire level after failing instead of just a simple checkpoint like it was in DMC4. The game also expects you to go for S ranks on Hell and Hell now, so your discouraged from Cheesing with Super characters.

>>16334657

MAX is getting three exceed bars, regular is getting only one. You do have exceed level 2 or 3 right?

>>16334657

Max act happens when you press the exceed button just as the controller shivers. It's not enough to learn the timing on your regular moves, you also have to learn how to max act the exceeded moves so you can keep it going, but it's honestly easier to just memorize a couple timings and blast some easy damage every time.

>>16334657

And if you are getting MAX acts all the time I have no how you're doing it

>>16334688

You have to press exceed right after the sword swing, it's super lenient. Just practice it for a while and you'll be acting everything on muscle memory except for triangle - triangle - wait - triangle - triangle - triangle - triangle. I can never get that one right

>>16334707

>And if you are getting MAX acts all the time I have no how you're doing it

Pretty simple, I just don't anything 5 times in a row and then I get max act.

>>16334657

1. Either practice on normal speed or turbo speed, whichever you're going to use, but stick to it. Once you get used to one you don't want to relearn that muscle memory, trust me.

2. You act right after the attack, right before the recovery frames. E.g. for most attacks it will be at the moment of impact, for Streak / Calibur it's at the very end of the lunge, for High Roller it's at the peak of the jump.

3. Keep in mind that EX moves come out faster than normal moves, so if you EX the first attack of a Red Queen combo you'll have to adjust the next two EXes by a hair.

EXes are more lenient in 5 and obviously more lenient in general, I believe MAXes are frame perfect in both games. 5 is more lenient on that, though, since whiffed EXes will still buff the Exceed meter as if you had pulled L2 normally, ad you can rev while running as well.

>>16334742

>I just don't anything 5 times in a row and then I get max act

You're not playing on Human-Auto, right?

>>16334569

>>16334594

I see. Nice to hear it’s difficulty hasn’t been dumbed down

>>16334769

No, recently I've only been playing Bloody Palace in Turbo mode.

>>16334770

5 doesn't even have items you can use, other than gold orbs or red orbs to revive. No vital stars, no devil stars, no holy water.

>>16334909

I actually do not care for that.

>>16334959

He probably still would with Patty he just doesnt want to go to a degenerate modern birthday party for an 18 year old. Also how old is Dante by this point? 50?

>>16334981

I don't think I've ever heard of Capcom giving an official number but if I had to guess, he'd be around maybe late 40s or early 50s at best.

>>16334994

Maybe Vergil knew where their dad's trust fund money for both of them was kept so V just used this knowledge to nab some dough? I mean, Sparda must've had some sort of wealth seeing as how they could afford their own house and if not him then maybe Eva was loaded.

>>16335034

Eva was loaded alright, in the right places, too.

I just want to imagine a broken Vergil working at Wallmart greeting people.

>>16335051

Vergil wasnt knocked out for a month.

>>16334994

>>16335034

>Where'd he get the dosh from to pay Dante and Morrison up front?

It's actually explained in the prequel novel, V tells Morrision that he could get more money if it's necessary and then Morrision see some beat up guy with Fathers all over him in an ally way and says no it's enough.

So V just mugged some random guy by having Griffon peck the shit out of him… for the greater good of course.

>>16335096

<With "Feathers" all over him

Fucking modders man.

>>16334959

You think Lady shaves her snatch?

>>16334959

>I kinda doubt he'd do anything with Trish due to the whole mommy-lookalike thing

He bangs her specifically for that

>>16335120

hope not

>>16335120

Probably keeps it trim, don't see her going full smooth.

>>16335148

No. No. No. Damn degenerate.

>>16334959

Dante's a total virgin, what are you talking about?

>>16335124

>Thinks Dante bangs Trish.

>When that is what Lady is for.

Anon plz. Trish is his best friend not his fuck buddy.

>>16335151

Too bad the modded hairstyles lack physics, they'd be pretty great otherwise.

>>16335126

>>16335128

DMCV Nude mods when? REmake 2 already has them for a while now.

>>16335148

Nah, I imagine Vergil has a completely different set of mommy issues what with him being left behind. If anything I bet he's all about SS

>>16335160

>Implying Dante would ever recover from that rejected kiss in DMC3

>>16335179

>Implying Dante would give up.

Anon really…

>>16335198

Then he is full of swag in DMC4. Do I need to draw a diagram of what happened?

>>16335204

Yes, please.

>>16335190

Dante hates smoking and drinking, only in 5 did he start swearing. Sex is in that category of things Dante doesn't care about. He's a PG, 80s cheese hero stuck in a mature setting.

>>16335179

Dante is the mommy's boy, Vergil is the daddy's boy. The portrait on his desk, the speech he gives to Trish in DMC1, Dante loves his mommy. Vergil wants power and to be more like his father, even going as far to staying in Hell at the end of DMC3 because it was Sparda's home.

>>16335198

The anime is also post DMC1. Having beat Mundus and "killed" his own brother probably left some scars on his soul.

>>16335206

>Vergil wants power and to be more like his father

Cause he couldn't protect his mommy nor his brother at the time.

Pretty sure both thought the other was dead until they met a year before DMC3.

>>16335241

>no shades

>Lady riding on his abs

>no style meter visible

What are you trying to tell us with this anon?

>>16335241

Looks like she really does shave.

>>16335217

>V with strange rib circles falling from a very weird Dante piggyback

>>16333230

But Griffon died to take Vergil's pained memories of Nelo Angelo away.

>>16335206

>only in 5 did he start swearing

Well there's that one scene in the anime where he calls a prison warden a "pudgy fuck" but I don't know if he says those exact words in the Japanese dub.

>>16335270

One of the reasons I don't care for the anime too much. Main reason being its pretty unremarkable.

>>16335109

Reminder that nero showing up is the equivalent of arkham showing up to clean up in mission 13 of DMC3

>>16335321

>>16335289

wow. I didn't mean to drug up memories. Just that I missed Griffon is all.

>>16335206

>Dante hates smoking and drinking, only in 5 did he start swearing.

I'm pretty sure he said something about kicking Nero's ass in DMC4. Also the anime is canon, so even if you wanna pass off the "pudgy fuck" line off as poor translation, he still drinks in it.

>>16334492

he REALLY enjoyed that apple

>>16336084

I think it was autopilot, he sensed Yamato despite not being fully aware who Nero was and why he had it.

>>16336084

Some peeps think his whole body got "reconnected" when Yamato was restored in DMC4, and he spent 5 years fighting his way out of the Underworld while fighting who knows how many demons with his bare hands while being weak and traumatized during his time being a slave to Mundus and being in literal limbo till his son Nero and Dante played with his sword, seems like he was in a delirious state and wasn't fully aware of any shit other than beating Dante while shaving his V to become Ergil the Urizen. They haven't really gotten to the details, and the prologue novel to the game is not in English and the summary doesn't reveal Vergil.

Is BP only 100 stages now?

>>16336107

It's 101 like the last game.

>>16336113

For some reason I feel like DMC4s bloody palace was always longer, though maybe that's because the time limit always fucked me up.

>>16336122

Must be that, though did you fight Vergil in BP? only got managed a few floors and have been busy trying to break Sekiro, but he's supposed to be the last challenge.

>>16336130

I got to floor 50 and ate shit when three queen empusas started hopping on my head.

>>16336540

they really never found his sister for real?

>>16336540

>Madness had the opposite problem. Beautiful environments, but the combat and game were unfinished to hell

Yep.

Damn i want MCGee to collab with a decent studio and make a game with not only an amazing atmosphere but also good gameplay.

>>16336195

I got to Malphus on 80 as Nero and the bitch killed me right at the end of the fight. She did that weird charge attack and I got too nervous to try and parry or attack so paid the price.

>>16336739

Nico isn't so bad, i liked her

>>16336755

>t. soy/semen-gargler

I've read somewhere that the framerate affects inputs in DMC4, is that true? Because if it is, I might consider trading my buttery smooth 120 for easier cancels.

In dmc1 are you forced to use yellow orbs? I keep trying to get out of the menu to start the mission again but it only gives me the option to use one.

>>16336805

I just like trashy women

>>16336805

>Liking a girl I don't like makes you a faggot!

It's like the internet has come full-circle.

>>16335206

>Dante hates smoking and drinking

Smoking sure but drinking?

Ever since DMC1 you can see more than a couple of bottles of alcohol in his office, the anime makes clear he tends to drink a lot by himself and in 4 and 5 he has a minibar and his office is littered with them. Dante is a heavy drinker but the game never points directly to it.

>Sex is in that category of things Dante doesn't care about

I'm sure getting laid isn't one of his priorities, however, ever since DMC1 you could see pictures of sexy women in his office and you can't seriously tell me someone as suave as him doesn't get pussy. In DMC3's manga he'd frequent a bar and it's not a stretch to think he was a regular at the brothel next to it, in the Anime the waitress has a crush on him and the way he and Trish talk to each other seems to point to something happening at some point but it sure didn't last long and lastly, there's a note on DMC5 that implies Dante and Lady used to drink a lot together and I bet they fucked at least once

>>16337017

>there's a note on DMC5 that implies Dante and Lady used to drink a lot together and I bet they fucked at least once

Huh, I didn't notice that.

>>16336905

>In dmc1 are you forced to use yellow orbs?

Yeah the game forces you to use them automatically, and once you run out it's back to the title screen.

regardless of if you want to save yellow orbs or if you run out, your gonna want to save frequently. The thing about Saving in DMC1 is that it saves everything but level progress, so you keep any orbs you collected or moves you bought, the trade off is the game still saves how long you've been playing the level, so if you keep saving and loading to grind Red orbs it may be impossible to get an S rank, still good ranks aren't something to worry about until after you've been the game a few times.

>>16337017

>Dante is a heavy drinker

That's completely wrong though. And the crappy anime is not canon. Also those implications are only fantasies in your head. Dante is a saturday-morning-cartoon-hero through and through, except for some blood here and there.

>>16337208

Multiple characters from the anime show up or are directly mentioned in DMC5, albeit that one of them is now black.

>>16337208

>the anime is not canon

Where do you think you are?

Not only is the Anime definitely canon by being shown during the History of DMC video in DMC5, but everything is Canon in some way for DMC, The original Novel shouldn't be canon anymore since DMC3 contradicts it, but now DMC5 makes blatant references to the events that happened in that Novel.

The only real thing you can argue is if playing Viewtiful Joe as Dante is Canon or not, since yeah it's a cameo, but it's actually hilarious that this Cameo campain you have to unlock in only the PS2 version of the game, actually goes into really important lore about Eva's soul being with in the perfect Amulet when you fight the final boss.

>>16337294

>SMT Nocturne might now be canon and Demifiend could appear in a future DMC game

Honestly, if he played like V but also had his own skills, that'd be ballin.

>>>/v/16337321

>and looks like douchebag Donte

Weeks later and you still have not bought some lotion to soothe this asshurt of yours.

>>16337321

I don't know where to start with this post. I dislike the 5's art style compared to 4's, but the rest of your points are either straight up false or shit which would be remedied by actually playing the game.

>>16337376

I would like V much more if Shadow had a better gap closer than the shitty forward+triangle move. All in all Shadow's AI was pretty shit, teleporting to you when you least need it and constantly putting itself out of position

>>16337490

Yeah, if you can actually get the stands closer to you at will then the playstyle would be much better.

>>16337492

And it should be trivial to add, since so much of V's control scheme is unused. The d-pad could be used to call back all three demons and still have one direction left for some other move, or it could toggle between two different priorities for your demons, either preferring to stay near the enemies or preferring to stay near V. Hell, you could even just switch that out through the menu. Weird how DMC4 let you choose between three different lock-on priorities in the menu but DMC5 only gives you one.

>>16336755

I thought she'd be a lot worse and I was honestly impressed

>>16337852

Still chuggin away at blood palace you fuck

>>16337918

It's bad, dude.

>>16337852

> I'd go over to 4cuck but it's filled with literal faggots and pedophiles

this place has way more pedophiles and at least as much faggots. 4cuck has more normalfags and retards

>one gold orb every time you open the game daily

Why in the hell is this a thing anyway?

>>16338157

Capcom is in love with the game as a service thing, and is desperate to successfully pull one off.

>>16337946

Why would you lie like that?

>the final gate to unlock total moveset dante is playing as nero in a shitty final fight

>I can't for the life of me stop style swapping, causing me to brake devil breakers at a high speed

>nero has no defensive options, meaning I have to rely on a trashy DMC 1 dodge mechanic

I'm going to eat shit in DMD mode.

>>16338529

Scummed out 6 gold orbs, I don't even care because nero is trash and I feel no desire to honorably accept a win as him.

>>16338541

Are you the fag with the giant hate boner for Nero?

>>16338541

Wtf dude when I first started playing DMC5 Vergil was easier with Nero not harder. Now that I'm better with Dante than Nero things have switched but come on man. Nero is retard proof. My problem starting out with Dante was that I had so many options I wasn't sure which ones to use.

>>16338653

You have regenerating DT on your first time fighting Vergil with Nero, and it's more like a victory lap than an actual boss fight.

>>16338653

>having problems with dante

understandable, the lizard part of your brain sees that many things and it's easy to recoil, the ape part starts to flip shit when you start to get the hang of things.

>first started fighting vergil with nero it was easier

nero is completely limited, and going from hours of bloody palace to get up to snuff to fight nightmare and then vergil on SoS, only to be barred from my full dante moveset with a fight that is hardly satisfying as a victory lap is a bit irritating. I'll be S ranking all missions in the future, but right now all that matters is absolute moveset potential.

>>16338665

I actually never noticed that the dt keeps charging. My money is on Vergil holding back.

>>16338669

I think I understand where you're coming from now. I never got to play Bloody Palace before fighting Vergil.

>>16338669

>but right now all that matters is absolute moveset potential

I'm very resistant to the idea that X number of moves available at any given time gives a character Y amount of depth, like you could boil a stylish action game down to strict combinatorics. Maybe if a hypothetical player is truly a claw-gripping, style-switching god with Dante there'd be room to complain with Nero's straightforward moveset, but I doubt that hypothetical person would be so incompetent they'd have to scum out six golden orbs in a fight you're supposed to win on your first try. Not that that's really the case on SoS, but you get the point, you can complain about Nero once you're good enough to understand what there is to complain about.

Could someone give me a legitimate strategy to fight Furies with Dante? I know how to avoid getting hurt, RG or Revolver parry, Balrog parries, Ice Age, but every time I RG or parry I get one or two hits before it teleports and returns to it's invuln state. I'm not going to sperg about how they're bullshit and ruin the game or anything but I'm really at a loss for how to fight them. Even with Nero I'm either praying to time a table hopper to dodge their teleport attacks or using shuffle to iframe through the attack and get a hit in. I can't imagine how frustrating they'll be if I do BP with V.

>>16338779

Ice Age, get up close with Punch Balrog, get Ignition, do a Rising Dragon. Trying to avoid flooring them is the key as they get away quick.

>>16338677

>My money is on Vergil holding back

Nope. He even said, if he beats Nero then he also beats Dante. The point of the ending to 5 is that Nero ascends to Vergil's and Dante's power level. Or he only won because Vergil was tired, but that's the salty baby take on the ending.

>>16338711

>I'm very resistant to the idea that X number of moves available at any given time gives a character Y amount of depth

But inherently by having more moves with more potential uses gives a character more depth and a player more room to move and shake, what the fuck are you talking about?

>have rebellion and sparda in first two slots

>start a combo by tossing out both of them in a round trip

>follow up with dante and use areal rave while an enemy is held up by both swords

>mix and match sword positions so I don't have to cycle all the way back to dante just to use dance ma'crabs mid combo

>mentally mapping out a combo path where every weapon can be used for a couple moves before swapping out, using double swaps to tap into a trickier combo for certain situations, keeping every single attack fresh in the queue, doing the maximum possible damage with every slash

You're a salty nero player who doesn't get how to play dante if you are honestly arguing that having more weapons doesn't give a character's actions depth.

>like you could boil a stylish action game down to strict combinatorics

I didn't say that at all, get your facts straight, little girl.

>gene from god hand has literally just his fists

>he has such a wide pool of moves to draw from that allow you to mix and match your playstyle for max points, some moves are situationally better, meaning every attack has some place and isn't completely outclassed for another, letting a player grow and expand as they gain more moves

Gene has more depth than nero, does that hurt?

>Maybe if a hypothetical player is truly a claw-gripping, style-switching god with Dante there'd be room to complain with Nero's straightforward moveset, but I doubt that hypothetical person would be so incompetent they'd have to scum out six golden orbs in a fight you're supposed to win on your first try.

Nice try there bucko, but wrong again

>claw gripping

Try using a PS4 mini, I got it since I don't like the latency issues from bluetooth only controllers, and since the buttons are so small, despite my freakish hands I'm able to swivel my fingers over it without needing more than one finger grabbing the back end on each side, allowing my thumb to move around without jostling any trigger buttons due to an awkward hand angle.

>style switching god

switching styles is easy, you pull on trickster when you want to move around, you avoid all damage with royal guard, and you mix up your moves with swordmaster, the only thing I think I should start doing is maximizing damage by keeping gunslinger on so my weapons auto charge, I've never been a fan of holding buttons, even if my thumb can now eclipse them with one press.

>there'd be room to complain with nero's straightforward moveset

didn't mean to make this post into a wall, but you keep saying stupid shit. I don't even completely hate nero's moveset, he's got potential to be such a better character, but let's take a look at his basic combos

>Combo A

four hit, knocks enemies away

>combo B

slam your sword into the ground over and over like you're having a rage from needing to play as nero, knocks enemies away

>combo C

an actually useful combo and nero's fastest swing, ironically it's his pause combo, and it even sweeps around his back a couple times, knocks enemies away

>combo D

someone decided to make it a purchase to allow nero to do what he could already do secretly in DMC4 if you pause before the last hit of combo A instead of mashing through like a barbarian, and it even rewards you by keeping the enemy in a bounce animation

Now how do these moves combo into each other? Well they legitimately don't and there's not really a good way to keep his ground game going without grabbing after every combo, necessitating the snatch. Now, you can do what any good dante player does, which is right at the end of million stab you hold back and swing them up into the air with you, making way for air combos, so let's see what nero can do in the air?

>air combo

knocks the enemy on the ground

>roulette

swings upward and keeps the enemy right next to you

>helmsplitter

>a new move that lets you diagonally drive down enemies which I can't remember and I always accidentally do instead of calibur

>calibur, which is just air stinger but it uses nero's streak motion, so it knocks enemies away

Now let's say you do a combo A, stagger it before the last hit with a gunshot, combo C, stagger before the last hit with a high roller, Roulette, air combo, double down, and now you're standing before an enemy that is still not dead, congratulations, you've done the only effective combo that nero has with his sword alone.

>>16338711

>>16338951

>but what if you use a breaker?

>Punchline will hold the enemy in place as you combo them

>gerbera lets you zip around out of danger and also is able to augment some trickster things, though it's just directional overture

>overture just smacks enemies in directions away from nero, so it's more of a combo ender, unless you're above an enemy and they are grounded

>rawhide is a breaker version of combo C with added style points for not just doing combo C twice in a row

>tomboy is exceed X4 and actually seems pretty cool as a concept if nero could just do that instead of requiring activation and deactivation of a specific breaker

now all of those do add to your combos, but at the cost of being extremely situational, which would be better if you could hotswap them like dante is able to with styles, maybe instead of brakeage just making that button that will eventually just be remapped to the DPad anyway swapping between four of your up to 8 breakers, letting you chose which one each DPad button will allow you to swap to, and in the event of one of them breaking, what it will turn into before it becomes an empty slot.

Furthermore, nero also has a couple more ground moves, streak, which puts him right where the enemy used to be before he knocks them all away with a big swipe, shuffle, which he can use to dodge away from damage before knocking the enemies away with a big sweep, and the move that he can use to ground bounce an enemy after a relatively short charge and small hop, allowing nero to do the unthinkable; keep an enemy in place without being in the air.

nero's combo depth is severely lacking, and even when you take into account the skill required to mash Exceed through all those moves, you're still just doing the same moves with the reward of a bit more damage for being able to tap a button through a combo at the right time; you know what weapon does that way better? Cavaliere; mashing combos makes your weapon slower, you are now rewarded for hitting your follow up at just the right time, you are rewarded for mixing into combos with faster attacks and a final hit to the combos that allow you take a second and watch the sparks fly as the game slows down with hitstun. A weapon that has literally no pause combos, a weapon that is literally only pause combos, a weapon that has such a high virility alone that you can go gay cowboy mode and just use faust and cavaliere to beat the entire game if you wanted. It's everything that Red Queen should be, but physically can't be, because nero has two buttons that are used up on what his right arm is doing, a gun that is only useful for pausing your combos or conserving your momentum in the air, and another button for boosting weapon damage based on your timing, which you immediately spend on certain attacks, making it only really useful to max-act everything.

Nero lacks depth because he's tied to a set of weapons that barely compliment each other, he's just slow and useless, and he has a lot of dead weight in his movelist.

> a fight you're supposed to win on your first try

I beat him on DH, you bet your ass I'm not going to try to impress anybody by slumming it on SoS just so I can get bragging rights about fighting a character who was not tuned to nero, nor was he the pinnacle of his story.

The thing I hate the most about the fight is that nero, who has no interactions with vergil is given so much reverence in respect to fighting him, when in DMC3 and in 5 even, the fight with dante was so much better and meaningful on many other degrees.

Dante, who can only select one style at a time, is facing his brother, who is basically royal guarding all his gunshots, gunslinging at him with energy swords, tricking towards him and all over the place in general, and using swordmaster to beef up some combos that he hurls at you constantly. He's faster than you, he's doing all the things that you can, but all at once, he's your challenge to beat the game, he's everything you've learned thus-far. You fight him three times, and each time, he's as decked out as you are, swapping between two weapons on the second fight, and on the third he is pulling off some crazy shit with a different weapon pair. In DMC 4 and 5, dante is finally able to do all that and more, he's able to go from trickster to swordmaster to royal guard, and in 5 he even gets summoned swords of his own that he can use for more than just shooting. Your fight with vergil is a rematch that displays how much dante has improved, and if you as a player are able to keep up with vergil you are demonstrating how you've taken the concepts presented and effectively mastered them for the last 7 missions you played with dante for

>>16338711

>>16338953

Nero learns literally nothing from the fight, it's a jerk off for DmC fans and proves to DMC fans that the ending fight of DmC can be interesting in the right light, which it frankly does a good job of on the vergil end of things, but Nero is literally powered up for the fight, he is fighting a guy who just duked it out with someone he was evenly matched for and losing against, and just barely has the strength to keep up with a guy who has not had nearly as tough a time as those two. It is the equivalent of if you played Mission 20 in DMC3 and then jester pops out after and you get to play as him, doing tons of damage to vergil and getting free DT that just gives you a big chunk of damage to him. The only reason I used G-orbs is because I have no respect for nero, I have no respect for his character or his action, and I have no desire to waste my time playing with him when he's preventing me from increasing my dante play.

>you can complain about Nero once you're good enough to understand what there is to complain about

>you don't like him so obviously you're not good with him, meaning you don't get to say why you don't like him

the thing I like the least about him is the people who flock to him for being so simple, it's not like dante was that complex in 3, they could have easily made nero function in a similar way to that or even vergil in the same game, but everyone complains when they see the style switching mechanic, when they could easily just play on one of the styles like 3 allows you to, just getting really good with that one enhancement to moveset variety.

>>16338779

Furies have a tell, if they pull out their blade, they're going to leap at you and attack, and if they don't they'll hop around a couple times before they leap in and swipe at you, and they always finish with a hop back into lunging cross slash. They actually look like they have some moves that mimic vergil in some ways, if not beowulf's rising dragon spinning upper. They actually can be grounded out of a teleport and that lets you get some pretty good hits in, but they are for parrying and royal guarding. Just study them in the void, you'll get the hang of it.

>>16338928

>salty baby

>>>/reddit/

>>16338928

The way I see how power works in DMC is literally based on motivation. Dante and Vergil didn't have much of a goal beyond just beating the crap out of each other by the end of the game, there was no point to there fight. Nero just learned that after being alone his entire life, that he now had a family, and that he could suddenly lose that family if he didn't do something about immediately.

Nero's DT and burst of strength at the end of DMC5 is comparable to when Dante awoke the true power of Sparda in DMC1 after Trish sacrificed herself to save him.

>>16338928

Nah man there's no way Nero is as strong as Dante or Vergil. Vergil was just tired as was Dante and I still think Vergil held back considering he's fighting his son.

>>16339056

I think he was just blind with rage that he had to use nero. Like, on the verge of having a stroke.

>>16339076

I mean it's not like it's a surprise, he finished the game already and knew the mission was coming, in addition to the other seven missions where you're required to play Nero, some of which are arguably more difficult than M20. I strongly dislike V and still don't throw in the towel that easily. If he really is that bothered by the 66% of the campaign that isn't Dante, it would be better to just stick to the Bloody Palace anyway.

>>16339056

>you're an autist for formulating a full argument

>I don't have to argue with you because you scummed out of the fight

And that's how it ends, you lack the motivation to actually criticize me, all you can say is that I scummed out. I could have spent hours fighting vergil and learning nero, but I have no desire to unlearn what I spend what precious little time I have to play learning how to maximize my dante muscle memory.

>you've managed to disregard canceling

not really, I mentioned it, doesn't make his shallow pool of moves any more interesting to use.

>charge shots, summoned swords

Yes, the reason I mapped the gun to R2, which I only had to do for nero.

>inertia, Dt activation, db followups, db counters, holds

>he's only superficially simple

He's about as complex as an ultra-greatsword in darksouls 3, friendo.

>if he was truly shallow he wouldn't take hours to master

You forget that I only play the game for dante, my thumbs are tuned to his inputs, switching straight from dante to fighting nero is a mental challenge since it's equivalent to fighting nightmare in DMC1 after you've played hours of bloody palace in 3; you're going to be trying to do things that you're forgetting aren't possible.

>I don't respect him is a non-argument

you're right, it's an opinion, and it's mine friend.

>it reveals you haven't mastered him

I guess when you stop playing a game for a while and then pick it up you're just supposed to be able to retain your skill? Not likely, especially with a final boss like vergil.

>struggle

I didn't struggle, I chose to mindlessly mash through the ending fight because it didn't matter to me, I can only hope that brings you some sense of anger, since I was particularly satisfied with my final fight of dante and vergil.

>that line of thinking is shallow and reductive

>refuses to point out how deep nero play can be because he has no argument for such

It's a fallacy to argue that because you have not made a counter argument that you are wrong, but it's obvious that when you have no intention of arguing you are allowing only my points to stand in validity.

Nero plays like trash and you're trash if you think the series should just have nero having the same moves he's had since 4; the one who's being shallow and reductive is you.

>>16339113

>Nero plays like trash and you're trash if you think the series should just have nero having the same moves he's had since 4; the one who's being shallow and reductive is you.

Well, what do you feel Nero needs to turn into a fun character to play?

>>16339012

That backhand the brothers gave him should have put this debate to rest. He's probably stronger than Samanosuke's oni form though.

>>16339118

I actually was so mad about nero I thought up a character concept that uses a Logarius wheel and executioner gloves out of bloodborne; revving and exceed would be the same, but revving mid swing on impact of one of the hits would allow you to keep a single swing going, like Cavaliere. I also drew up some concepts where he uses his triangle combos to do big heavy hits that wind up into each other, and doing circle combos does a different set of moves, in the same way that cerberus tends to do. Even if he wasn't doing revolver with a giant wheel, nero could really use a better set of moves and maybe one more weapon so you're not forced to rehash the same combos over and over. DMC has been about giving the player a wide array of moves to explore and expand with.

>>16339125

I'm a faggot for uncle dante

>>16339113

I mean we can go point for point if you want, but it's going to become apparent VERY quickly that you're talking out of your ass.

>>16338951

>Now let's say you do a combo A, stagger it before the last hit with a gunshot, combo C, stagger before the last hit with a high roller, Roulette, air combo, double down, and now you're standing before an enemy that is still not dead, congratulations, you've done the only effective combo that nero has with his sword alone.

Even thinking this is "the only effective combo that nero has" is extremely telling, and don't think you can get out of it with that qualifier "with his sword alone", since you obviously forgot that you mentioned using the gun.

>switching styles is easy, you pull on trickster when you want to move around, you avoid all damage with royal guard, and you mix up your moves with swordmaster

Yes, those are literally the uses for those three styles, but style switching is different. There aren't really any current DMC5 equivalents other than StarRave, but in DMC4 there'd be 1) switching between Trickster and Royal Guard to rapidly dodge along the ground, 2) switching from Sky Star to Royal Guard (one of the popular ways to Flying Guard), or 3) switching between Swordmaster and Darkslayer during aerial combos, for a few concrete examples.

>Now, you can do what any good dante player does, which is right at the end of million stab you hold back and swing them up into the air with you, making way for air combos, so let's see what nero can do in the air?

I think any good Dante player RG cancels out of that million stab instead of "holding back", and Nero's DB knuckle followup after Streak will keep the enemy in place instead of knocking them back, so, yes, he can do that exact combo now. Same applies to Shuffle and any other move with knockback. Even disregarding that, do you think it's an accident that the character with Snatch has so many moves that cause knockback? Or that he was given two types of shots which stunlock the enemies? Do you think it's an accident that Color Up shots keep an enemy juggled just long enough for Nero to fall back down to a perfect height to use Calibur? Is it an accident that you can buffer the charge on Hard Way during Payline? These moves are made to be peanut butter and chocolate, it's no one's fault you're using them separately.

>not really, I mentioned [canceling], doesn't make his shallow pool of moves any more interesting to use.

All of these incessant complaints about Nero's basic combos ending with knockback, and now canceling is just irrelevant because you've decided it doesn't make the combat more interesting, even though it's the precise remedy to the problem? I'm not about to take this argument about depth seriously when you turn your nose up at THE thing that opens up combo potential.

>I didn't struggle

You clearly, objectively, did. You remember that you mentioned accidentally using Break Away multiple times, right? And you're trying to claim you died so many times because you were just mashing triangle?

>I guess when you stop playing a game for a while and then pick it up you're just supposed to be able to retain your skill?

Short answer, yes, or at least you don't blame the game for your own inadequacy. DMC5's been out for a month, there is no "while" to lose your skills.

>>16339143

No, I mean what abilities would you give him so that you'd be comfortable playing Nero

>>16339151

>this isn't nero's only effective combo

>provides no argument otherwise, just trust me, it isn't

wew

>style [[[[switching]]]] is different

>trust me

uhuh.

>lists a bunch of advanced style switching techniques as though that's the definition of style switching

hotswapping styles on reaction is style switching, those advanced techniques are the pinnacle of that artform

>any good Dante player RG cancels out of that million stab instead of "holding back"

You can really do a whole lot out of million stab before it finishes, I just gave an example that was most clear to nero's play that could be related, unless you wanted me to mention RGing as nero? Oh wait, right.

>Do you think it's an accident that nero can do all those things that cause knockback when he has moves designed to get enemies close to him

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it was the purpose of the snatch, but maybe I blanked on it.

>these moves are made to be used together and you're the one not using them in concurrence

>implying how I play nero

I don't need to tell you that even a child could have realized most of the things you mentioned, and that they don't make nero any deeper, right? They're just a string of moves he's able to use, there's no amount of thought required to what attack you have available next because his moves are so shallow and straight to the point that it borders on mind-numbing.

>canceling is just irrelevant because you've decided it doesn't make the combat more interesting

it doesn't make his combos any more expansive, his loadout is so slow and heavy and all his attacks reflect monotony, I don't know how someone can look at dante and nero and think they are even in the same realm of gameplay.

>You clearly, objectively, did

If you're struggling when you use items then you're using them wrong; they make the game easier, they're an easy out to retrying and failure; I objectively did not struggle because I chose not to deal with nero more than I had to.

>there is no while to lose your skills

>implying job

>implying the hours I work

wew

>>16339182

Well I'd want him to be functionally similar to dante or even have something akin to dark slayer like vergil; as he is nero has a very low skill ceiling, and while he is unique, in the same way that V is, unique isn't always on the money.

>>16339249

>see the difference

your webm does a great job of demonstrating how nero can jump up and down to cancel into the same moves a couple times, that's pretty, you know, shallow and basic.

>you're such a pro at playing dante

literally only said I devote my playtime to dante, don't know what you're salty about.

>you explained how you play him

I gave an example, you're getting very intimate about the things being said and what you assume they mean.

>I wanted to flex my knowledge on a character with so little depth that any ounce of depth found could be seen as interesting

sure there, bud.

>you're not talking about the things I'm talking about

because it's on you to provide counter arguments, saying he has those moves doesn't expand the concept that he's deep; I know what you can do with nero, and I know that it's just a pale imitation of anything dante can do with one weapon.

>This normalfag shit is what we've come to?

>having a job is normalfag

I assume you're really young and have a lot of time on your hands, and you're taking this a bit too seriously for discussing how crappy nero is compared to dante.

Also didn't want to tell you too soon, but your reddit is showing.

>this thread was civil as hell

>create a very well structured post about how trashy nero is

>well you're just bad

The one acting uncivil is you, I've been making arguments and you defaulted to saying "I don't need to explain why this is wrong." I stopped taking the argument seriously at that point.

>>16339293

>how nero can jump up and down to cancel into the same moves a couple times, that's pretty, you know, shallow and basic.

That's not what's happening in the video, so I guess the point is made. The rest is irrelevant floundering which doesn't even make sense, there is no scenario where you can use the jab "you're taking this too seriously" considering how the whole argument began.

I just got my S rank on Mission 10 on Hell and Hell, I thought it wouldn't be as bad as S ranking on DMD, but due to how Hell and Hell works I was kind of forced to do the No hit run for the bonus since using an orb takes away your no continue Bonus. It was the fun kind of hard, but It became more manageable when i focused on just beating the level with out taking damage instead of Score since that wasn't as important with the No damage bonus.

>>16339315

I'm saving BP for after Hell and Hell, but damn does that Urizen to Vergil Rush look fun, Urizen is definitely one of my favorite bosses now, his second form is way more fun version of Arkham.

does BP have difficulty options? Looks like it's pretty easy compared to previous titles.

>>16339630

confirmed for shit taste

>>16339012

>>16339140

Nero also stopped Dante and Vergil who were going at full speed and power at each other. Why does two powerful demons smacking Nero to the floor disprove that he also fucked up Dante with a punch? The tiredness is an out for the fanboys who don't like Nero or at least as much as they like Dante/Vergil.

>>16339630

>>16339764

>Corrupted girls

my nigger and shit taste or not they are too rare; most of the more popular examples are handled horribly.

>>16339012

there is the theory of the one drop rule.

if you have one drop of demon blood in you, you become a demon, and the source power of demon is humman blood therefore the rest of your blood is constantly strengthening your demon side.

Nero is 1/4 demon and thats the theory

>>16339293

>>16339204

>>16339113

Oh so you ARE the Nero hating autist.

>>16339310

Don't even bother arguing with this retard.

>>16339113

>switching straight from dante to fighting nero is a mental challenge

Judging by this sentence I'd say you're pretty used to being mentally challenged

>>16339791

>that he also fucked up Dante with a punch

He fucked up Dante with a punch while he was out of DT. If you recall DMC4, Nero's punch with his arm stuck in a DT like state was already plenty strong enough to have Dante's demon instincts kick in.

So Nero's demonic smack was more powerful than Dante's human form but he's still far from both Vergil and Dante in DT especially SinDT.

The potential is definitely there though. It's not like Nero was just some runt all this time who stumbled on some power.

He was part of The Order's knights and probably sparred plenty with Credo.

>>16339012

>Nah man there's no way Nero is as strong as Dante or Vergil.

Partial demons are stronger than normal ones. It's been shown that Dante easily outpaced Sparda even in Sparda's prime. And this game tells you why: Demons are powered by human blood, right? That's why the Qlipoth fruit is so sought after, it's compacted blood of millions of people. So halfbreeds in DT are running on the blood that's already there.

Thus, the more human you are while still having DT, the stronger you actually are - the demon side is being pumped by the human one. Also, as a fun aside, if one takes Yamato's power to be "Seperates things", then Nero's DT in 4 is literally his demon side being V'd partially out of his body and hanging on somehow.

One thing I didn't like about the story is how it sorta ignored Vergil committing genocide. It just seemed weird to me that Dante and Nero didn't even acknowledge that Vergil pretty much wiped out a city just because he wanted to defeat Dante. It makes no sense to me.

>>16340037

Did you miss the part where Dante yelled at Vergil for doing everything for power with nothing worthwhile to show for it?

>>16340044

I know that scene, but talking down to someone ain't the same as wiping out a city. The end cutscene when they just walk away to go to the underworld and sever the tree, and then they have a mock fight, not even acknowledging that Vergil is willing to kill millions of people for the sake of winning, is off-putting to me.

>>16340037

Vergil didnt intentionally do it, it was pretty much all Urizens doing.

When it comes to how Dante felt about what Vergil did, his tone and what he would say whenever he saw Vergil pretty much spoke for itself.

He was even ready to kill the guy because of what he had (unintentionally but he probably doesnt give a shit anyways) done.

Just look at what he did to Urizen holy shit, Dante was gonna turn him into fucking minemeat if V hadn't intervened.

>>16340050

That happened in DMC3 too, though you don't directly see people getting killed in that game it's assumed the tower killed a shit ton of people.

>>16340053

Given the absolute lack of bodies, I had always assumed the area was either evacuated or entirely uninhabited.

>>16340115

>tower suddenly erects in the middle of fuckhuge city

>evacuation or no people

I've got some bad news for you, anon.

>>16339791

Both Dante & Vergil had already worn each other down during the fight. This scene is the exact same one in DMC 3 where Jester interfered in Vergil's 2nd fight where he effeorlessly caught vergil's blade. Does that mean Jester was more powerful than both Dante & Vergil? Deny it all you want but it was clear that both brothers had already been fatigued at that point in the match and it was a perfect excuse for Nero to show up and split them both. He was still far from both Dante & Vergil's power as both of them had already achieved the peak of their demonic power while Nero is in the same position as Dante in DMC 3 where he just unlocked his own potential. Yes, the story in DMC 5 was about Nero being able to prove himself and capable to stand beside Dante & Vergil, but he doesn't need to be equal to them in power to accomplish that.

>>16339791

>The tiredness is an out for the fanboys who don't like Nero or at least as much as they like Dante/Vergil.

To build on what >>16340450 mentioned, there are at least two distinct quotes I can think of that set a precedent that the brothers are not at full strength after a boss fight.

>Jester to Dante, DMC3 M13: "You are wounded and weak. Even I can do… THIS to you!"

>Vergil to Dante, DMC5 M18: "Defeating you like this has no meaning. Heal your wounds, Dante. Get strong. After that, we'll settle the matter."

I can't buy that Nero's victory means he's definitively the more powerful one when Vergil explicitly said that such a victory is meaningless. It's not an out, it's an established plot point.

>>16339829

That sounds like bullshit.

>>16339829

I think it is just a case of "humanity", in this case meaning love and compassion,giving you strength in DMC. It is basically the message of the story. Sparda was strongh because he protected mankind, Vergil lost to Dante in DMC3 because he rejected his human side, Urizen lost despite devouring the Qlipoth fruit because, as Dante said, power by itself never mattered. Nero was, at that moment, the most "human" of them, as he acted by his desire of saving his family, not out of revenge as he has been doing through the game. It seems to be a virtue of him, as he is fighting to save someone he loves both in DMC4 and at the end of DMC5. He is the most human, not because he is a quarter demon, but because he desires to save those he loves. For him, power is a mean to save others, and therefore he became so stronght so fast. Also >>16340450 applies too.

>>16340050

>>16340037

Was Kami blamed for Piccolo's attrocities?

>>16340037

Dante and Nero are "heroes" but they are still demons. They will save the world but do you honestly think they really give a single fuck about average Joe in the street? Nero will give it a passing thought for like 30 seconds at best.

>>16341538

It's hard to really care about anything that isn't like you. To Dante and Nero, people are like niggers.

>>16341560

Wouldn't surprise me, they are mutts after all.

>>16341538

>>16341560

>>16341581

>Dante in 1

>"I'm gonna kill every demon until I get the one that killed my mom"

>Dante at start of 3

>"Man, I really hate demons and my demon dad and my demon blood."

>Dante in 3 in general

>"This human chick is alright, if a bit of a bitch"

>Dante in 4 and 5

>"Humanity is super important and what makes me truly strong"

>Nero in 4

>"I'm so ashamed of my demonic power I hide my arm and worry Kyrie won't accept me"

Are you guys niggers and trying to make yourselves feel better by saying everyone is niggers to Dante and Nero?

>>16341612

Lately the amount of retardation that's popped up in this board when discussing DMC is astounding.

>>16341612

>Not knowing that /v/ is full of secondary scum that don't actually play games

Where the fuck have you been?

>>16341641

>(1) and done coming in with "/v/ doesn't play games"

Classic

>>16341612

Why would a few million casualties make Dante shed a tear? He'll get mad but he wont start another blood feud over it.

>>16341515

Fused post-Namek Piccolo would have been a better example. Although, it's kind of iffy after the Demon King made a reincarnated "Jr" version of himself.

>>16341612

Well, Dante managed to save some peeps so I guess he kinda cares.

>>16341722

I felt Kamiccolo was a poor comparision, as Piccolo had already redeemed himself, by that point, and Kamiccolo isn't really the same guy as Kami pre-seperation.

>>16341648

>I'm bad at the game so V is bad

Classic /v/. If post quantity was the only thing that mattered you might have figured out how to not mash dodges then blame the game for your mistakes.

>>16341722

Does anyone else have problems with how the physically manifested, separated evil in someone could produce a son/clone of himself who is anything but that?

>>16341785

>I would like V much more if…

<V is bad, and I'm bad at V

Oh boy, gotcha moment for sure

>>16340052

Vergil wouldn't have volunteered the idea of a fight with Nero counting in Dante's place, going to the underworld to sever the tree, and pretty much everything else in the ending of the game, if he didn't retain that part of V that realized that he fucked up, and fucked up badly. On the other hand, it is blatantly clear that his rivalry with Dante overrides that guilt by a long shot.

>>16340450

>Both Dante & Vergil had already worn each other down during the fight

They were also in sin devil triggerand the scene is specificly framed to be triumphant for Nero

>>16341538

>>16341560

It's not that. It's just difficult for people to feel empathy for a large amount of death the same wat they would for a single death because they can't really comprehend it.

>>16340450

>>16342638

I see it as more, they're all on equal level.

Someone posted some pictures of improved button layout for the game a while ago, does anyone still have them?

>>16349380

Thanks.

How many orbs do you need to grind for each character to unlock all of their moveset? And do unlocked moves carry to higher difficulties?

>>16350328

It usually takes about 2 and a half playthoughs to get all the moves in a DMC game. but that's if your not replaying levels for better ranks, you'll get all the moves before you know it.

>>16349631

>edge

Really getting sick of this meme word and I think it's time for it to be retired.

Vergil tells nero it's past his bedtime if he stabs him in the chest

>>16350936

and then he accidentally splits Nero into N and some blue demonic asshole.

>>16342638

Yea of course it was supposed to be triumphant for Nero. He just unlocked his first ever DT and it needs to be hyped up. It was well-written in a sense that he came at the exact timing where the fight was at it's last blow. They may be in their sin DT form but at the same time they were emptying their final gas in the tank when Nero comes with his newfound DT at full tank. The scene was done well, it was fair, and it was well-written. Nobody got mad.

>>16342732 In terms of devil hunters status, sure. DMC 4 was meant to set up Nero's character and DMC 5 was supposed to cement his status as a devil hunter. He's now his own man and assumes responsibility for the safety of the human world. But he still got a long way to go to match his father and uncle.