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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice? More like "Suckiro: FromSoft Can't Make a Good New IP Twice"

>>16313234

Sekiro is bettter than Bloodborne

>>16313249

this

>>16313234

𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑑𝑢𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝐸𝑢𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑛 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑜𝑛’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑝𝑦𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑙𝑎𝑤.

>>16313210

>the hunter

>drinking

that nigger needs to shoot up his health like its heroin.

1st half of game: Great

2nd half of game: Shit

I have such mixed feelings on this game, I loved exploring in the first half but once I realised there were no rewards for it I was conditioned to be disappointing by the second half. I think prosthetic upgrades should not have been tied to crafting and instead have been hidden around the world, though then again considering how little I used anything besides firecrackers by the end I;m not sure it would have helped.

I loved the bosses and minibosses in the first half (phantom corrupted monk and those snake eyes shitters excluded). But by the second half the combat had long since clicked and surprisingly quickly became stale when the bosses just became bloated health/stamina fights that demanded constant attention and were utterly exhausting to fight and more relieving than satisfying to beat, I really just wanted the game to end by the time I entered fountainhead, not spend more time committing boss movesets to reactions via rote memorisation. It felt very mechanical and almost robotic to fight a boss and it wasn't any different learning Isshin's moveset than butterflies, but I was expected to play perfectly for far, far longer.

The stealth sections were also disappointing, they were fun at first, but by the second half I was just grappling past everything as the mobs/areas are essentially just filler between bosses. In fact the game felt a bit like boss rush with busywork by the second half. It did give me an incredible urge to play Shinobido though, I really wish Acquire would quit with the Akiba shit and make some real games again.

Genichiro might be my favourite fight in the whole series but I think once the hype/honeymoon-phase feeling wears off the game as a whole will probably be rate on the lower end for me, especially since I don't think I can recreate the enjoyment of the first half on replay.

>>16313306

Oh yeah and story wise in most of the first half you have a very clear goal: get the shota back, but the game devolves into a chain of finding various, meaningless mcguffins that you don't care about and only exist as excuse for the player to go places in the second half.

>>16313306

yeah Sekiro was a massive letdown, they needed to do anything to keep combat interesting, but they didn't. They didn't go far enough anywhere and so you're left with this incredibly mediocre product that honestly falls below all other from games. Even Ninja blade and that game crashes 80% on boot attempts.

Worth buying?

I get framedrops on an FX8350 with RX480 and can't keep consistent

Any mods or something to fix this? Or should I just wait for a new patch to get cracked?

>>16313399

No.

I played through and beat it, would've been pretty upset if I'd paid for it. From just straight up didn't set out to make a fun game with this one.

>>16313210

Needs William popping Kodama candy.

>>16313399

Absolutely not. The game is barely worth 20$. There's absolutely no replay value and the game is only 20-30 hours long, and most of that feels like a slog.

>>16313399

I'd wait for a price drop; I definitely regret paying full price.

>>16313326

/tv/ spotted

This game would had been funner if the protagonist was a samurai instead of a ninja and the gameplay was focused more on fighting and different weapon styles instead of ninja gimmicks like the prosthetic and the arts.

Still, it’s not that bad, just not worth full price, like pretty much any game nowadays.

I feel bad for FROMsoft. Was their any major change in their lineup for this game, after Dark Souls?

>>16313444

*there

>>16313433

no patches either, I don't think

>>16313431

See they could've gone full stealth game and made a tenchu, but they didn't and made a half assed mix between souls and stealth games. The combat has more issues than just that but yeah a lot of it could've been addressed by making the MC a samurai who you know had varied fighting styles than the one.

>>16313405

No one?

Is everyone playing on PS4 or something?

>favourite (mini-)boss

Either Isshin or Guardian Ape

>most hated (mini-)boss

I didn't like Demon of Hatred but that doesn't compare to how shitty the Headless fights are.

>favourite enemy type to fight

Purple samurai dudes / Tall blue castle dudes

>most hated enemy type to fight

None come to mind right now. Mooks are all pretty straightforward and fun to fight, specially if they got attacks I can mikiri counter

>>16313399

I had a lot of fun with the game and the combat is way better than in the Souls series, but the game has zero repeatability because the combat, while intense, is too simple. The AI is retarded so stealth is super powerful too. I say give it a pirate.

>>16313480

It's a from PC port man, the thing's held together by cardboard and prayer, don't know what to tell you.

>>16313485

NG+ speedruns with all the tools basically only use firecrackers, the shurikens (like three times), and the spear for the ape

>>16313492

So are you just putting up with the framedrops?

>>16313495

How's the spear good against Ape?

Judging how FROM has been building their engine over the last few games to focus on world scale, I think we're about to see an open-world meme game from FROM. What will it be?

>>16313510

I read that you can pull out his parasite and it inflicts posture damage on him.

>>16313495

I'm not getting them, it's basically just random depending on your card.

How well does the game run on a toaster?

>>16313524

a true assassin's creed rip-off as sekiro is obviously just a weebshit asscreed clone with better combat

>>16313210

>>16313156

Flame Vent is actually really good when combined with the ultimate prosthetic skill. If you manage to set someone on fire with your flaming sword they'll be stunned for a bit (much more than firecrackers vs humans), letting you do a good chunk of damage, not to mention the damage from burning and the extra damage added to the sword. It's pretty much the only way I was ever able to get past O'rin of the Water on NG+, and it's quite effective on purple ninjas as well.

Otherwise Umbrella and Mist Raven. Umbrella loses a lot of effectiveness though if you have extra hardships on in NG+. Mist Raven is good for getting the fuck out of a combo you can't effectively parry, but really it's more of a crutch than anything. Finally, the Fan is great mainly for killing shit like those dual sword fuckers and melee okami warriors quickly.

Skills, Whirlwind is really useful on bosses with particular hitzones like the ape and bull. The extra reach pretty much guarantees that it hits those weakpoints. Not good for posture damage though. Everyone likes Ichimoji Double but I haven't been able to get much use out of it myself.

>>16313524

skyrim 2

>>16313544

A literal Castlevania game

>>16313539

Are you on Nvidia?

I read that one has definitely got less issues.

>>16313541

I'm getting constant 60 without any drops on i7-2600 and GTX 970 and I chatted with a friend who said he is getting 25-30fps on his 640.

>>16313546

Ichimonji is great when you realize you get the ability to do combat arts in the air so you can move and charge it at the same time for big and easy posture damage.

what fucking retard thought that putting a souls boss fight like the demon of hatred in sekiro was a good idea

>>16313408

>>16313413

>>16313417

Sometimes I don't understand you faggots at all, I'm having a blast with this game, it fixed a lot of my main complaints with Souls games, it's a lot more focused and polished, the combat is deeper and you can't cheese it with grinding or summons, the world design has a lot of branching paths to explore, it's huge and you always seem to have multiple places to go in case you hit a wall and want some variation, every boss and miniboss has forced me to git gud, except maybe that samurai right before Genichiro in the castle tower because he was way too easy, but I suspect that was some kind of Miyazaki bamboozle because you'll immediately run into Genichiro afterward and that fight is fucking great.

>>16313608

the game feels like an experimental side game that miyazaki released while from is focused on bloodbourne 2

its dark souls 2 redux

>>16313620

DS2 you could at least replay if you were a masochist and there were different ways to approach combat there was just a very set tier list. Sekiro has none of that. The combat while slightly deeper than the souls series, has absolutely no variation from start to finish, turning the game incredibly dull. You get a new ninja tool, but they're so situational they feel like an afterthought more than a meaningful addition.

>>16313608

>the combat is deeper

Really nigger? One weapon with a single attack is deeper to you? Combat is nothing more than simon says until you can pull off a cinematic BS kill move. Souls games have never had deep combat but this takes it to a whole new level.

>>16313608

The Iai samurai is hard as fuck if you don't try to double parry him. Doing so is much easier than it looks, but the fight is insanely punishing for missing so that makes learning the double-parry a scary prospect.

The world design branches out a lot at the start, but later it turns out all those "side paths" are necessary. Good for non-linearity, but bad for exploration. At best you might be able to find another minoboss if you go slightly out of your way.

I found some combat arts useful. Nightjar slash reversal allows you to get out of bad situations while dealing some damage, forward version allows you to catch the asshole enemies, like ninjas, nightjars and lady butterfly. Works good on all fast enemies, dogs too.

Whirlwind slash - Got overwhelmed by mooks? Whirlwind slash.

Praying strikes are fast, lots of posture damage. Allows you to sneak in posture damage through small openings. The third hit is not usually worth it against tough enemies though.

Leaping monk kick allowed me to sometimes instadeathblow some big enemies, don't know how that works yet or why.

>>16313637

Have you played the game?

>>16313670

>Whirlwind slash is good for crowd control

Fuck no. Whirlwind slash is an attack that yes, has some extra reach and hits all around you, but it has shit for damage and it's start-up and recovery are so huge that's it's better to wait for a shared opening between the enemies, rather than running the risk of being comboed to death with the reward being mediocre damage on extra targets.

Uninformed baddie opinion:

>Soulsborne was made to sell on gameplay

>Sekiro was made to sell on hype/PR/shilling post launch

Soulsborne was deep in gameplay and loaded with lore.

Sekiro is shallower combat, for a wider audience, pushed to endurance test for difficulty with some sprinkled bullshit on top to keep you on your toes.

I was getting excited when the world started opening up and finding boses and other characters around. After looking some of the sidequests up it pretty clear you for get or change shit from doing side stuff.

>>16313480

RX580 8G(basically same card) and Ryzen 1600 OC@3.7k here

The game ran 58-60 stable at max settings up to several gameplay hours, then, random framedrops even in situations where there isnt anything intensive or busy or landscape-y.Downgraded to High settings and it runs mostly good, FPS drops sometimes for a second or two to 40 but at least it doesnt hit the 20s anymore.I'm using the Fitgirl repack and I'm getting some severe LOD/texture flickering on top of that.

My guess is they optimized the shit out of the first hours of the game to get DEM SWEET SCORES from the usual scum that wont finish the game before giving their "professional" opinion

>>16313485

>The gameplay, is like a 3/10 imo.

>Sekiro is amazing looking – I lost interest in playing the game almost instantly, so I used a cheat table for inf health and a toggle for "visibility", so I could walk around without agro enemies.

No shit.

>>16313684

Whirlwind attack has better Vitality damage than basic attacks. It has shit for posture damage, but it does Vitality damage through guards. Basically it's useful for low vitality and/or high posture enemies. Also there's some good ledge cheese with it, if an enemy is standing above you on a small ledge they often can't hit you, but you can hit them and damage them through guards.

>>16313670

I used the Nightjar Slash extensively up until the the midgame or so. It's really handy how it allows you to zoom in after dodging away.

How did they do it bro?

They just motherfucking surpass Soulsborne.

Can't imagine going back to Soulsborne after Sekiro.

inb4 muh Ninja Gaiden

Yeah Sekiro has much more styles to it.

>>16313608

It's soulsborne shittier.

They had shitty combat now they crave it.

>>16313710

Nearly, you nearly got me.

>>16313714

How is it a ruse?

I find Sekiro to be better than Dark Souls.

>>16313724

Got you?

>>16313671

You spam your one attack, dodging or parrying or jumping until their posture bar is empty. Then you pull a cinematic kill to remove the rest of their life bar. That's every fight in the game. There are no other weapons to find, exploration is pointless. There is no build variety either. It's a shit game.

>>16313728

You didn't say if you've played the game or not

>>16313728

>build variety

Nigger who gives a shit about that, this is not a nerdy ass RPG, it's an action game.

>You spam your one attack, dodging or parrying or jumping until their posture bar is empty.

Which is more responsive and tactical than muh stamina bar in Dark Souls. I find it funny that this game is less spammy than Dark Souls, which is dodge and attack, repeat.

>>16313688

>Soulsborne

>rehashed series

>sell on gameplay

>Sekiro

>completely new style

>for a "wider audience"

>>16313741

I fucking hate open world.

If it's flawed, why is it better than most of their games except Armored Core.

>>16313749

>I fucking hate open world.

as >>16313524 pointed out they seem to be developing their engine to support larger worlds and are already opening up worlds as seen in sekiro so get ready for breath of the fire keeper or some gay shit like that

did anyone else notice that sekiro has autism

>runs around like naruto

>no emotions

>obsessed with being a ninja to the point that he ran away from home to be one

>when the doctor waifu is hitting on him he is completely oblivious

>manlet

>repeats exactly what people say to him in the form of a question

>oftentimes won't even respond when someone asks him something

>ultra-dedicated to being a ninja to the point that he repeatedly gets himself killed like some aspie

sekiro truly is an autism simulator

>>16313762

I don't see how Sekiro is opening up world.

The world is pretty much a giant dungeon in Sekiro, and that's good.

>>16313448

there's a Patches easter egg of sorts where a shady-looking beggar wearing an eyepatch talks about trying to enter a storehouse because it has "lots of nice-looking treasure"

>>16313688

>Uninformed baddie opinion:

>>Soulsborne was made to sell on gameplay

>>Sekiro was made to sell on hype/PR/shilling post launch

You've hit the mark. It feels much more like it was made to be put into as many ebin YouTube reaction videos and streams as possible rather than just being an actual fun challenge.

I keep getting my shit kicked in by the final boss. Is there anything I should do before beating the game that is easily missed? I've yet to fight the giant Carp or beat the Demon of Hatred.

>>16313784

>actual fun challenge

Sekiro is more of a fun challenge than Soulsborne since you aren't slow like a molass for once.

>>16313789

Try visiting the areas that have bonfires which you can't travel to.

>>16313789

Grind, the game allows RPG so you can grind better stats up to 17, as well as prophetic upgrade .

>>16313789

Doing the pot nobles/giant carp questline gets you Lapis Lazuli which are limited and the Demon of Hatred gives you two of those and a memory, too.

Also you could gather the serpent livers if you didn't do it yet.

>>16313789

Easy way of dealing with Isshin is to poison him. Also keep in mind that anything he throws at you without a kanji above it can be deflected. Including his bullshit spin to win move.

>soulsborne combat

<tactical, gives you a wide variety of ways to engage an enemy, build variety is a thing

>sekiro combat

<SPAM SPAM SPAM ATTACK LIKE AN AUTIST UNTIL POSTURE IS BROKEN, DEFLECT, ABUSE UMBRELLA AND FIRECRACKERS

>>16313405

My fps on average is about 17, but if I alt tab out of the game for a bit it caps out at 60 and stays that way until I travel to one of the important places idols and then the fps goes back to being shit. No idea why tho.

>>16313808

>soulsborne combat

>dodge and slash, dodge and slah

>sekiro combat

>you can either do it like a samurai with double ichimonji, or you can jump around like a ninja and slash enemy down or you can rely on prophestic to boost your attack/stun enemy

Oh man, so weird.

How does the combat compare to, say, Dark Souls 3? Faster? Slower? More complex?

Я не знаю как я буду жить и жить без.

>>16313831

Faster, more relied on reflex rather than stat and poise.

So less a RPG, more an action game i.e. Ninja Gaiden and DMC.

>>16313831

It's more shallow in a lot of ways, it's faster in theory but bosses feel much slower than your average DS3 boss because of how limited your combat options actually are.

>>16313831

It's certainly faster and slightly more complex. No build variety sucks though.

>>16313842

>bosses feel much slower

>limited your combat options

Hmm, those are some pretty incorrect observations.

>>16313789

Deflect mainly. If he sheaths his blade back off and just run around until he his thing with it, you could get some free hits in if you're fast enough to get to him. I don't have any good advice for the second phase because that fucks me up. Although I think the last phase is easier mainly because he uses lightning, and like all the other times you can fuck his night up with a redirect

Are all the red kanji attacks completely unblockable or is there some special technique for dealing with them?

>>16313823

>sekiro

>get punished for playing in a way the game doesn't want you to play

>soulsborne

>can still play the game just fine for playing in a way the game doesn't want you to play

>>16313852

>sekiro

>get punished for playing in a way the game doesn't want you to play

Example?

>soulsborne

>can still play the game just fine for playing in a way the game doesn't want you to play

How?

>>16313850

If its a sweep jump, if its a thrust mikiri. Otherwise dodge or you might be able to deflect (though that often will shatter your stamina and the enemy will usually followup with a punish)

>>16313789

First phase of isshin should be incredibly easy. Basically attack twice, parry, repeat. If he sheaths his sword do NOT under any circumstances attack. Get close to him and he will immediately hilt strike you and then sweep attack. If you are too distant he goes for the double slash instead, so you should definitely get close. Once you get the basic rhythm you should clear phase 1 without taking damage.

Basic attack breakdown following parries:

>Standard combo

Each hit has a long delay, so it might look like he's done attacking. Parry the first two hits (of 3), then attack.

>Thrust combo

A quick hilt strike followed by a thrust. The first strike has the same timing as a standard attack, so it should be easy to parry.

>Sheaths Sword

Get close to trigger the hilt strike, parry or block it then jump. Do not move and jump, just jump and attack or stomp, whatever.

>Charges up

Could be either the area sweep or the line attack, you'll have to learn what they look like. The line attack is easy to just walk behind him and attack. Area sweep can be parried or avoided, both are risky. He rarely does the area sweep at all.

Anything else generally only happens if you give him space. Never do that.

Phase 2 Isshin is the hard part. I still haven't learned proper timings on his attacks and can't parry them for shit. Generally speaking you attack, he parries and either steps back or jumps back with a swing, in either case just dodge forward to close distance and get under the swing, otherwise he might do a chargeup which gives you plenty of time to attack twice then parry. If he starts attacking with his sword though, it's going to be one of the bad combos. I recommend using the umbrella or mist raven because parrying that shit is fucking impossible. Feel free to use all your healing here. Anytime you heal he'll probably try to do a jumping strike, which is easy to dodge (even after healing) and then punish for free damage, plus it puts you in position to get back into the combo.

Phase 3 Isshin technically has all the same hard to deal with attacks as Phase 2, but usually he will use lightning instead. If you can reflect the lightning, this phase becomes super easy. Just pressure him like you did in phase 2 and pray for lightning.

>>16313850

Thrust attacks can be deflected but not blocked, and you also get a special parry for them which looks pretty cool

Sweeps can be easily jumped over and you can do a goomba stomp that takes some posture, but can't be deflected or parried in anyway

Grabs are unbreakable, you just have to dodge. Unless you're fighting ogre then who knows what the fuck his hitboxes are.

Anyone else just end up deflecting as much as possible and only using block for recovering posture? Is blocking better than I think it is?

>>16313875

Nigger, I use double ichimonji to recover posture.

Ashina style best style.

>>16313875

If you hold block, you recover your posture quicker. You can spam blocking to 'randomly' deflect if you're lucky.

posture recovery is also tied with your health.

>>16313875

Nah, blocking is inferior to deflecting. You're meant to deflect anything that you can block.

>>16313875

Nope, it's worse than you think. In NG+ with hard mode, you take damage from blocked hits, so you get fucked pretty hard if you can't parry.

>>16313735

No shit I played it. It's shit you retarded shill.

>>16313736

Fromfags everyone. The only retards that think removal of options and systems = more depth.

>>16313845

Explain to me how then dipshit your options against bosses aren't limited. You can use tools that you're extremely limited in so you can't reliably use them to do basically anything outside of speedkill strats or if the boss has a specific weakness to one. Stealth (the few bosses that can be) only typically only skips one phase unless it's the shitty corrupted monk re-fight where you can stealth kill him twice for some reason and skip to the last phase. Now you ran out of your emblems, and you're left with extremely situationally useful combat arts exception of double slash because that for some reason bugs out the AI and makes it incredibly easy to loop them Or your standard combo, you can hit them and run away making the drawn out boss fight take even longer as bosses recover the only real thing that matters, or play it in the very specific way where you just sit on their face and react the way the game tells you to react.

And bosses feel slower because they're a massive fucking slog.

>>16313875

Blocking is for if you fucked up a deflect.

>>16313895

So they are slower because you suck.

You can't dodge, you can't deflect, all you do is running out to avoid hit and hit again, of course that feels slow.

Unlike Soulsborne, you can't grind your HP or your stamina and just easy mode via poise.

So get better, practice, it's you who are slow, and not the boss.

Or learn ez mode via jumping ichimonji.

>>16313905

You didn't read a single word did you.

Best place for grinding out skill trees and attack points? Stealthing reds in Ashina Outskirts is the fastest method I've found and even that takes a while.

>>16313893

>removal of option and system

What? This isn't a RPG game, this is an action game.

Don't think adding a bunch of a 2-hit mace or hammer is gonna improve this game.

>>16313910

What I said hold true.

The bosses aren't slower, you are slow in killing them.

>>16313914

you didn't read it, because you're saying something I actually addressed in the text

>>16313919

Soulsbornes are RPGfaggots, of course they don't like action adventure game.

>>16313922

Where tho?

>>16313911

>Grinding

>Ever

>>16313925

If you could actually read you'd know

>>16313928

So you are being obtuse? Nice.

>>16313919

My PS4 was a gift.

>>16313931

Mine too.

Surprise, I didn't even play it since PS4 has no games LOL

>>16313930

Bitch you can't even be bothered to read a paragraph, if that's too complex for you I really wonder who told you to like the game, because there's absolutely no way you're able to live without massive assistance.

Bloodborne faggots are mad hating since this game already surpasses their PS4 exclusive, meaning no one plays it.

>>16313938

I fail to read a SINGLE line that disproves my logic: bosses aren't slow, you are slow.

>who told you to like the game

Me.

>>16313946

You know those black bars hide more text right?

>>16313912

It's an even more shitty knockoff of the souls games. It's an action RPG, you still have a skill tree after all.

>>16313927

I grind to get more combat arts and karakuri upgrade, amigo.

>>16313952

Read it and I don't see anything disproves what I'm saying.

>>16313951

So is DMC3 an action RPG because it also has a skill tree?

>It's an even more shitty knockoff of the souls games.

How? It plays better than the souls games.

>>16313958

Same for Ninja Gaiden too, whoop.

>>16313958

You swapped up the two replies dipshit. There's the very specific line where I say "you can play slow or play in the exact way the game wants". There's no other options this game has.

>>16313931

So what?

It's a shitty brick with barely any good games.

>>16313953

>I grind

Plebeian

Things I liked

>atmosphere

>enemy design

>environment design

>music

>prosthetic arm gimmick

>combat (to an extent and I will elaborate)

>boss battles

The combat is fluid and responsive, but also quite simplistic. Others have already pointed out that the game lacks the variety of souls, and I wholeheartedly agree. It's good that they attempted to go for something new, but at the same time it's just sad that they threw out so many established mechanics in favor of building a simplistic combat system that hasn't even been used to its fullest potential. The boss battles in the game are great for what they are, but they're all meant to be approached in the same way, with some small variation in between. What's the difference between fighting Genichiro and Corrupt Monk? Obviously they have different movesets that must be learned. However, in the end, their posture must be depeleted, but how this is achieved is merely dependent on how much damage each of them receives. Genichiro will incur high posture damage even without many attacks landed on him, while the reverse is true for Corrupt Monk, and one must deal substantially more damage to her before her posture bar will begin to build up. Is this variety?

One could make the same argument for souls combat, and while this is true, it's equally pointless to levy the comparisons and criticisms of today onto products of the past.

Things I didn't like

<lack of enemy variety

<lack of weapon variety

<no alternate outfits either

<secondary weapons with limited utility

<preset grappling points limit player progression and exploration

<shallow stealth mechanics

<small game in its entirety, would've liked at least 5 more bosses/two or three more areas, but a minor grievance, I suppose

Ultimately, my list of negatives weren't enough in their totality to have prevented me from enjoying the game. Still, the game feels like it's a morsel of something greater, like a tech demo that was meant to be a proof of concept that would later be refined and built into a more substantial and complex game. I still enjoyed it for what it's worth, but it's not going to provide much bang for the buck. If you haven't already hit the high seas in pursuit of this game, then at least wait until it's on sale to add it to your collection.

>>16313964

You're the kind of casualshit that would quit after an hour of Deliverance Blade of Darkness.

>>16313964

But you don't have to.

Why aren't you parrying and killing the enemy regardless?

What playing style does the game force upon you?

>>16313965

Pleb and proud.

>>16313967

Would say this game is worth more money than Dark Souls 1-3.

It depends on if you like action adventure game, or shitty action RPG.

>>16313974

Damn I've been owned, he called me a casual while not even trying to defend the game.

>>16313980

>why aren't you playing in this specific way

>what playing style does the game force upon you

Fucking what

>>16313986

>why aren't you playing in this specific way

>what playing style does the game force upon you

Fucking what

There is also dodging, jumping, stunlocking, and so on and so on.

>>16313967

The only thing preventing me from buying the game is that Kiketivision is publishing it.

Considering how fast you move on wide open spaces with plenty going around I'm pretty sure they're prepping the engine for an Armored Core game.

>>16313967

>Still, the game feels like it's a morsel of something greater, like a tech demo that was meant to be a proof of concept that would later be refined and built into a more substantial and complex game.

Agreed. It feels like what Demon Souls was to Dark Souls. Its probably a good indicator of what from will give us in next-gen

>>16313990

But isn't Demon Souls better than Dark Souls?

Isn't Dark Souls a pretty shitty game?

>>16313995

>demon souls

>a clunky broken mess

>good

>>16314001

Funny because you just describe Dark Souls.

inb4 Dark Souls "veterans" start to chime in

>>16313995

Dark Souls is the better game despite kvetching from hipster faggots, and it's ironic considering Demon Souls has much more Adventure game influence than DS.

>>16314006

Yeah, I remember Demon Souls being faster than Fat Souls.

I fucking hate Fat Souls.

Fuck Soulniggers, talk about Sekiro

>>16314002

>being such a post-ironic faggot you think demon souls is better than dark souls

lmao imagine being this much of a hipster

>>16314011

What's there to talk about. How shallow the game is, and how it lacks replayability?

>>16314012

Fuck off fattie.

>>16314011

This.

What's your favorite combat art and why is it double ichimonji?

>>16314014

The gameplay, the story, the music, even the art design?

inb4 no, let's talk about Fat Souls lol

the only proof that you need to know sekiro is a meme game is the centipede fights

>entire fight is entirely dependent on how many prayer beads you've collected in order to have enough posture to constantly deflect

you would never see an encounter in souls with this gimmick, much less a gimmick tied to your stats

>>16314020

Nigger, use your spear.

>>16314020

That fight is piss easy no matter what because deflected attacks can't break your posture.

>>16314014

How about talking about the Sunken Valley setpieces that are a joy to play, the various ways you can use the Prosthetics against different enemies and how Stealth is nearly broken?

>>16314020

what >>16314028 says. Deflected attacks cannot break posture. It's just a matter of tapping the button with the right rythem and not fucking it up.

>>16314029

My mind is blown when I set fire to stuff.

>>16314016

The gameplay has been addressed, it's a fucking mess. And the art style isn't enough to carry a conversation. The music I can't even recall, it's so generic I'm getting it mixed up with the 900 other games with incredibly similar soundtracks.

>>16314020

The fight is shitty, but not for the reason you said.

>>16314029

Various ways? You mean the one way per prosthetic? Or on the ape where the spear gets a new property. The stealth is a absolute joke and feels as tacked on as this entire game does.

>>16314029

>Nearly

>>16314020

stealth kill it

deflect it harder

jump

ie

git gud

>>16314033

Your mind would be blown that fire is hot.

>>16314036

>The gameplay has been addressed, it's a fucking mess.

Bullshit, where?

>And the art style isn't enough to carry a conversation.

Another bullshit, the art style of this game is phenomenal.

>The music I can't even recall, it's so generic I'm getting it mixed up with the 900 other games with incredibly similar soundtracks.

It blends well into the background, but sometimes the snake appear and you notice it.

>Various ways? You mean the one way per prosthetic?

Pure ignorant.

>>16314044

Try it, bitch nigger.

Upgrade your flame vent and set stuff to fire.

>>16314052

oh god I'm arguing with an indian ESL intern. I'm gonna go hang up my hat for the day.

>>16314057

Why am I suddenly an indian now?

>>16314064

Yeah, it's great.

The complaints don't even make sense since most Soulsfaggots refuse to git gud.

>>16314054

Better yet, DON'T upgrade your flame vent because the upgrades are useless, and instead upgrade your prosthetic skills to get a flame sword.

>>16314072

Aksually, by upgrading the flame vent, you increase the duration of your flaming sword.

The more you know.

Also, nigger go ring that demon bell already.

You need dem loots for dem upgrade, nigger.

>>16314064

You are a retard. It's the soulsniggers that are praising the game to begin with.

>>16314089

Aksually, reading from this thread, it's the Soulsniggers who complain about the game for being too fast for them.

>>16314089

>It's the Soulsniggers that are praising the game

Untrue, most hate the complete lack of customization and inventory management.

>>16314097

>Said the angry soulfaggot who is getting mad.

I'm an Armored Corefag, get it right. Souls games, including this one, were a mistake.

>>16314097

At this point, I fully support From from getting back to action adventure and mech games, it's not like Souls are really RPG anyhow.

>>16314105

You are a mistake, bitch nigger.

>>16314104

LOL customization and inventory management in a fucking action game.

>>16314105

Hell yeah. A guy pointed a handgun at me yesterday. I told him I'm armored like a tank. He fucked off.

>>16314115

Why do you think that the Souls games aren't RPGs? They fit basically all the criteria that goes into an Action/RPG title.

>>16314121

Plenty of action games have more than one weapon though, like Devil May Cry for example. As an action game it's garbage, all souls games are. The move sets are too limited.

>>16314133

Lack of choices and consequences and character development.

>>16314135

>Plenty of action games have more than one weapon though

This game also has more than one weapon.

>As an action game it's garbage, all souls games are. The move sets are too limited.

Bullshit, the focus of the game is not getting combo.

You know what this game actually reminds me of?

Metal Gear Rising.

- hi speed ninja action

- deathblow/cutting

- huge focus on parrying

- also limited weapons and moveset

Though this game has better artsyle, world and weapons I guess.

>>16314144

>This game also has more than one weapon.

The various prosthetics are not really more weapons, they are consumables you can reload from time to time. The main weapon only has a single chain for fucks sake. Combat in this boils down to a game of Simon says and spamming R1 in between.

>>16314156

>The various prosthetics are not really more weapons, they are consumables you can reload from time to time.

How are they not weapon? They have their own moveset and can chain into the sword.

>Combat in this boils down to a game of Simon says and spamming R1 in between.

How?

>>16314170

>how

You have to respond to attacks in specific ways to lower posture. Any other method of avoiding damage either slows down the fight tremendously or flat out doesn't work even if it appears the enemy did not touch you. Meanwhile you spam R1 when you have an opening because that's your main attack. How is that not Simon Says with flashy graphics? There is no depth.

>>16314192

>You have to respond to attacks in specific ways to lower posture.

Or you can just dodge and jump.

Once again, argument nulified.

At this point, "depth" is used to make bullshit argument on how much the game must cater to your playstyle.

I think you all miss the magic here, From switches it from R1 spamming to L1 spamming, jeanyis

I missed the Father's Bell Charm before I started final fight. Am I fucked out of it?

>>16314211

I don't understand this shit because I play on PC lol

>>16314211

that is very true, not going to lie

>>16314170

>>16314192

>(48)

I'm not going to read the rest of the thread. Instead I just want to say

>thrust perilous attack

Respond with mikiri counter

>sweep perilous attack

Jump over it

>grab attacks

Jump over them or away

>projectiles

Most can be blocked/parried

>normal attacks

Block or parry, although one is incentivized to parry.

Meanwhile, Sekiro himself only has the basic r1 slashes, with no attack combos, like Dante does in DMC, or Bayonetta, or even the kind of variety you get in souls/bloodborne. The point is, it's pretty clear that you have to respond to combat in a very specific way, and there isn't much variety to be had. Sure, you can use the various prosthetic upgrades, but they have limited usage. What are you shuriken good for? Killing dogs and other animals and not much else. Maybe you can use it to shave off a sliver of a boss' health bar from a distance, in order to push a boss into their vulnerable state without the risk of getting close and potentially taking damage. However, this use is very situational, and most of the time your secondary weapon does very little to give you an advantage when compared with any of the others.

>>16314235

I don't get your point, so you have plenty of options in order to avoid damage, that's a bad point?

>with no attack combos, like Dante does in DMC, or Bayonetta,

False comparison, Dante and Bayonetta have more combos than most action game MC.

>or even the kind of variety you get in souls/bloodborne.

Bullshit, Souls/Bloodborne have no combo in the first place.

> What are you shuriken good for?

Like everything else, posture breaking, stunlocking and hit with chasing hit.

>However, this use is very situational, and most of the time your secondary weapon does very little to give you an advantage when compared with any of the others

Compare with what others?

Make your point.

>>16314235

you have the thrust move you can do yourself by holding r1 and the sword arts, but yeah even in DMC1 with it's measly two main weapons it had a huge moveset even without upgrades and additional moves.

>>16314256

Sekiro more than make up for that by having the karakuri weapons and the interaction between them and the enemies.

You can't even burn shit in DMC1.

And is it me or this game somehow steals DMC5 thunder?

Barely anyone talk about DMC5 anymore and it's just this game.

inb4 muh viral shill

>>16314267

>mostly useless subweapons make up for having no combo chains on your only weapon

Jesus Christ, you redditors really need to go back.

>>16314281

Meanwhile, you can burn shit in Sekiro.

So much for combo.

And no, they aren't useless, the karakuri weapons are actually the most broken things in the game, next to double ichimonji (in fact it can complement ichimonji).

>>16314286

And actually, the karakuri weapons add chains into your sword.

But people who don't play the game don't know this.

>>16314252

>you have plenty of options in order to avoid damage, that's a bad point?

You have

>mikiri counter

>standard blocks

>dodging with limited i-frames

>perfect deflections

All of these can be used to avoid damage, to an extent. It's not bad per se, but ID:869560 was trying to say that combat itself is essentially very simplistic and restrictive in nature. Attacks are split into categories, and each type of attack has one or two responses, and this is restrictive. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing is besides the point, if you want to argue for or against such a system, you must first acknowledge that this is the reality of the situation in regard to the game's combat.

>False comparison, Dante and Bayonetta have more combos than most action game MC

Don't be ridiculous, it's an absolutely valid comparison. Is it true or not that Sekiro has no more basic combos beyond the basic r1 slash? It's obviously true. While it is also true that one can acquire a variety of jutsu from different schools, they cannot be used in tandem with one another, and they too have situational usage. This is quite limiting when compared with other popular action titles.

>Bullshit, Souls/Bloodborne have no combo in the first place.

That's also not true. In souls there are a variety of weapons, each with their own movesets, albeit simple ones. Players can mix and match a variety of weapons in order to spice things up, and in later games, weapon arts and charge attacks were introduced. In Bloodborne, each trick weapon serves two major functions, and they can be extended and reverted in the middle of battle in order to use different movesets or special attacks. That's more than what is available in this game.

>[shuriken are good for], like everything else, posture breaking, stunlocking and hit with chasing hit.

They can be used for these things, but with limited results. They're an afterthought at best. For instance, Sekiro can acquire the sabimaru dagger. Why not allow players to wield it in the second hand, like one could do with Dark Souls II's power stance? That way, it could allow players to change how they approach combat. Instead, it's now a situational use weapon that may or may not provide an effective use in any given moment.

>Compare with what others?

Allow me to rephrase; No one secondary weapon from Sekiro's arsenal is going to make a substantial difference in how one plays the game. They all have strictly situational uses, which makes them practically useless or nothing more than a novelty.

>>16313821

Jesus

I'll try this, thanks

>>16313688

I heard it was CPU intensive so I'm probably fucked for that reason. Your CPU is non-negligibly better.

>>16314296

>All of these can be used to avoid damage, to an extent. It's not bad per se, but ID:869560 was trying to say that combat itself is essentially very simplistic and restrictive in nature.

Which is wrong. You can chain new combat arts, and you can chain in your karakuri weapon.

>While it is also true that one can acquire a variety of jutsu from different schools, they cannot be used in tandem with one another, and they too have situational usage.

So you should use different weapons per different situation, and you can't force your way through via one weapon. So bad.

>That's also not true. In souls there are a variety of weapons, each with their own movesets, albeit simple ones.

Their movesets are generally the same and certainly feel less combo-y than this game.

>In Bloodborne, each trick weapon serves two major functions, and they can be extended and reverted in the middle of battle in order to use different movesets or special attacks.

Which again, doesn't come close to the switching of karakuri in this game.

>They can be used for these things, but with limited results.

So they can be used, but somehow limited, nope, you are fully wrong there. If you can stunlock and enemy, you can destroy it with no damage.

>Why not allow players to wield it in the second hand, like one could do with Dark Souls II's power stance?

But he already does via the karakuri weapon, AND you can switch it on the fly.

>Allow me to rephrase; No one secondary weapon from Sekiro's arsenal is going to make a substantial difference in how one plays the game. They all have strictly situational uses, which makes them practically useless or nothing more than a novelty.

So you are wrong, I don't think you have finished the game.

>>16314310

Blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, you can't burn shit.

><sekiro's prolapse arms and lack of variation in your normals is better

That "prolapse arms" can actually taunt enemy.

It seems the complaints are getting more retarded.

>>16314312

>You can chain new combat arts, and you can chain in your karakuri weapon.

You can only use one combat art at a time, and they do not add any new combinations to your standard r1 attacks.

>you should use different weapons per different situation

You can only use one weapon at a time, and the one that you choose will, again, have practically no impact on whether you die or prevail.

>Their movesets are generally the same and certainly feel less combo-y than this game.

That's pretty absurd.

>Which again, doesn't come close to the switching of karakuri in this game.

Why don't you explain what the karakuri is in more detail? I've completed the game and I haven't come across this weapon.

>So they can be used, but somehow limited, nope, you are fully wrong there. If you can stunlock and enemy, you can destroy it with no damage.

Even if that is true, and I doubt the effectiveness of the shurkens, one can only equip three prosthetic upgrades at a time, and it's already been established that some have much more utility than others, but only in specific circumstances, so what tends to happen is that they're only ever used situationaly

>But he already does via the karakuri weapon, AND you can switch it on the fly.

It just occurred to me that you're using 'karakuri' to refer to the mechanical arm. Yeah, no shit, you can equip up to three upgrades at a time. That has no bearing on the point that I was making, though. I was trying to say that the prosthetic upgrades are very situational and don't have much utility outside of specific circumstances, which makes them borderline useless.

>I don't think you have finished the game

I've finished it multiple times over now, but it's pretty amusing that you think I'm arguing from a position of ignorance.

>>16314314

>styling all over

<muh burn

>managing resources

<MUH BURN

>being fucking cool punching people up while still having a game relatively balanced with two weapons over one katana

yep, keep muttering muh burn.

>>16314352

>You can only use one combat art at a time, and they do not add any new combinations to your standard r1 attacks.

You can chain them into your normal R1 attack, as well chaining it in the karakuri.

>You can only use one weapon at a time, and the one that you choose will, again, have practically no impact on whether you die or prevail.

Nigger, you can switch between the karakuri, and those play heavily on how you die or prevail.

>That's pretty absurd.

That's the truth.

>Why don't you explain what the karakuri is in more detail? I've completed the game and I haven't come across this weapon.

It means the arm, which can switch into 3 different weapons depend on which you use.

>Even if that is true, and I doubt the effectiveness of the shurkens, one can only equip three prosthetic upgrades at a time, and it's already been established that some have much more utility than others, but only in specific circumstances, so what tends to happen is that they're only ever used situationaly

3 is more than enough to hand most of the things in this game, and easily, namely firecrackers, flame vent, spear, axe and wind.

>That has no bearing on the point that I was making, though. I was trying to say that the prosthetic upgrades are very situational and don't have much utility outside of specific circumstances, which makes them borderline useless.

Again, they can help you destroy most enemies quicker, and in fact destroy boss easily, they are situational but you have access to 03 of them in combat and can menu-pause and switch to anything you like.

>I've finished it multiple times over now, but it's pretty amusing that you think I'm arguing from a position of ignorance.

Proof?

>>16314354

Still being mad that the enemies are un-interactive fucks in DMC where you can't even burn them, I see.

Meanwhile, I'm gonna burn you, imbue my sword in the flame and two strikes your head.

>a game relatively balanced with two weapons over one katana

Good thing Sekiro has more than weapon than a katana.

The conversation is interesting because it shows two sides.

I who heavily use karakuri and ichimonji strikes, compare to the guy who I argue with who mass all days, what are your build my friend?

>>16314363

>You can chain them into your normal R1 attack, as well chaining it in the karakuri.

Let's say I grant you this statement; it still does not mean that there is much complexity in the game's combat system. Using only basic r1 slashes with an attack from your secondary weapon in between them is very barebones for what is claimed to be an action title in the vein of Ninja Gaiden.

>Nigger, you can switch between the karakuri, and those play heavily on how you die or prevail.

Nigger, no they don't. At most, they allow you to stagger certain enemies or insta-kill others, but that's about it. In a one-vs-three situation, and depending on the type of enemies you're facing, you're going to either perfect parry like a fucking grandmaster, run away like a bitch, or eat shit and die. The secondary weapons might give you some marginal benefit, but they won't save you, and you certainly can't use them as a replacement for your primary sword. Hence, they have very limited use.

>That's the truth

Nah.

>3 is more than enough to hand most of the things in this game, and easily, namely firecrackers, flame vent, spear, axe and wind. Again, they can help you destroy most enemies quicker, and in fact destroy boss easily, they are situational but you have access to 03 of them in combat and can menu-pause and switch to anything you like.

>they are situational

Exactly, they're situational. They have their uses, but the original point is that they don't really do much to change how combat is approached beyond acting as buffers for basic attacks or defensive responses to certain enemies.

>>16314012

people be hating on demon's for the same reason they hate on bloodborne, console exclusive release. dark souls, even though good, wasn't even a properly finished game, the lore makes up for it's flaws

>>16314403

>Let's say I grant you this statement; it still does not mean that there is much complexity in the game's combat system. Using only basic r1 slashes with an attack from your secondary weapon in between them is very barebones for what is claimed to be an action title in the vein of Ninja Gaiden.

Not an argument, MGR has about the same.

>Nigger, no they don't. At most, they allow you to stagger certain enemies or insta-kill others, but that's about it.

Nope, they allow mass-stunning i.e. firecracker, enforced shielding i.e. umbrella, not-your-personnel shit i.e. raven, or just burn all the niggers down i.e. flame vent.

> In a one-vs-three situation, and depending on the type of enemies you're facing, you're going to either perfect parry like a fucking grandmaster, run away like a bitch, or eat shit and die.

Nope, any of the above.

>Nah.

Yes it is, I played Dark Souls.

>Exactly, they're situational. They have their uses, but the original point is that they don't really do much to change how combat is approached beyond acting as buffers for basic attacks or defensive responses to certain enemies.

Nigger what? If you focus on them, they are gonna be the main damage dealers, especially with mass-upgraded flame vent, axe and spear.

So you talk about how there is no different build, but in fact, you are playing differently than I am, who heavily use karakuri weapons.

>>16314413

>Not an argument, MGR has about the same.

It is an argument, you've just got your head so far up your own ass that you'd rather take a position of undeserved, smug superiority than actually address the point. Judging by the intervals of time between my posts and your responses, and your overall post count, I have to conclude that you're a shit eating niggerfaggot who blows bulls in the public bathrooms of your local red-light district in order to acquire as many STDs as possible, because you've been stricken by some kind of degenerate fetish for self destruction.

>firecracker

>umbrella

>raven

>flame vent

We're pretty much taking in circles at this point. Yes, yes, all of these items have their uses. This still does not constitute the kind of complexity that is expected from the likes of other popular action titles. I understand that you like the game, and you have some unnatural tendency to defend it to your undying breath, but the fact of the matter is that there is truth in the sentiment that the combat system is very simplistic at its core. If you don't want to acknowledge that, then by all means, go back to living in delusion.

Don't get me wrong, I also like the game, but if you're not willing to acknowledge basic truths about it, then we can't have any sort of conversation.

>Yes it is, I played Dark Souls.

Nuh uh.

https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Prosthetic+Tool+Upgrades

I wonder if the guy I argue with know of these upgrades and how fucking op they are.

>>16314438

>It is an argument, you've just got your head so far up your own ass that you'd rather take a position of undeserved, smug superiority than actually address the point.

Not an argument.

>This still does not constitute the kind of complexity that is expected from the likes of other popular action titles.

The purpose of the game is killing quick, not fucking combo.

>but the fact of the matter is that there is truth in the sentiment that the combat system is very simplistic at its core.

It's only simplistic to the nigger who only want to combo. I prefer quickill.

>>16314443

Yeah? Well fuck you.

>>16314452

Well, that's the end of it then.

Man, I wish I can play more Sekiro but I'm at work right now.

>>16314462

MAYBE AOL. Your number? I'm 307 2172708

>>16314468

…nigger what?

>>16314275

Ultimately DMC5 will be the one to stand the test of time. Feel free to screencap this, Sekiro will go down as another Dark Souls 2.

>>16314462

>Well, that's the end of it then.

The end of what? If you mean that our little back forth has brought an end to your cocksucking, then certainly not. If only one could be so lucky, then maybe you'd have left this place entirely. Of course, that's some wishful thinking, huh? You have access to firearms in whatever part of the world that you live in? You should do us all a favor and find one, then use it to blow your fucking brains out.

Have a great day, friend.

>>16314504

Ok, gonna screencap this.

Dark Souls 2 already went on and become the hipster choice for best Dark Souls games.

>>16314521

Thanks m8.

By your choice of word and disregarding of the karakuri weapons, it's pretty clear you don't know shit about the games, or just play the games like a ninja/samurai or worse, like Souls.

>>16314504

2 was shit but it was still less shit than 3.

>>16314540

Care to elaborate?

no surprise that the hapa bitch is the worst waifu from has ever made

>>16314540

3 had more enjoyable bosses than 2. 2's only interesting fights were in the DLC tbh.

>>16314544

I liked the larger variety in builds and gear. 2 had issues in world design but at least it was not almost completely linear like 3. Both of them had issues in that most of the bosses sucked. The way 3 handled stamina management or the lack there of also irked me, you could spam rolls too easily. That's not to say 2 was devoid of problems or even a good game. Really the only good souls games are Dark Souls and Demon Souls. Maybe Bloodborn too but I am not going to buy a jewstation to find out.

>>16314574

>Dark Souls

>Good

So what are you nigger favorite prosthetic weapon?

Mine is the axe, firecracker and flame.

>>16314761

Its all situational tbh, but flame is probably the most useful in all situations because you get the flame buff.

>>16314775

I'm sorry but the firecracker is not just situational, it works in ALL fights except ranged one.

This is repeated over and over again, but prosthetic weapons have some gimmick enemies that they are obviously good against, but it doesn't mean they are one trick pony.

>>16314790

Well no shit Sherlock it stuns all enemies. The firecracker isn't just a prosthetic its basically your iframes for this game. The firecracker would be boring as shit to discuss just because how braindead effective it is.

>>16314761

Firecrackers, Sabimaru, and any of the spinning Umbrellas. Okinaga's Flame Vent is also great for groups.

>>16314439

Yeah I don't get how the tools are useless considering the amount of apparitions and the fact that you can use Living Force with The Lazulite torch to get free and stronger Divine Confetti. Or that Long spark fireworks can stunlock almost everything in the game. Or that Divine fan can auto kill monks with a gold upgrade so you can roll around in money. But tools are fucking useless right?

>>16314819

I thought the fan could auto kill monks with the vanilla version.

>>16314798

So you are wrong that it's "situational".

Fuck off faggot.

And it's not just the firecracker, the axe/spear gives you poise, which is how you kill and kill quick.

>>16314826

It can, the gold upgrade just gives more money and drops

So I take it the only way to figure out how the game is like is just to pirate and play it?

>>16314831

Yep, no Denuvo either.

I pirated it and I think it's worth full price, this is a full of content game. I'm honestly surprised too since I thought From cucked out.

>>16314827

Its mostly situational you autistic (70) nigger.

>>16314828

Yeah its unfortunate though that the straw hat dual bladed fucks aren't counted as monks.

>>16314838

>Its mostly situational you autistic (70) nigger.

>mostly situational

That means it applies to most situations.

There's no situation where you can't benefit from a firecracker.

>>16314841

>(72)

I see you haven't found a firearm yet. You should probably start looking. If you'd be so kind, also don't forget to livestream it and send us all the link, we wouldn't want to miss the pivotal moment when your brains splatter all over your keyboard.

>>16314851

>Like I said the firecracker isn't a true prosthetic

Nigger what?

>and is a crutch you autismo.

Nope, you can't spam it.

> it is crucial to the game

Nope.

Fuck off faggot.

Now you guys went from prosthetic weapons being useless to one of it being broken LOL

>>16314855

But why tho?

>>16314875

Point out where I'm autistic or retarded.

>free hit

Basically every prosthetic weapon can do this.

You can even use the axe to propel yourself and land the second (free) hit.

The game is fucking amazing.

>>16314891

Which means what exactly, fren?

>>16313210

>Fuck you Owl

tfw beat him first try with demon bell debuff. All his moves are pretty well telegraphed and there are tons of opportunities to get hits in. Plus he is so big it would be hard to not see his attacks coming like some other bosses.

How come Ys Oath in Felghana, a game that also has a single attack string/a single aerial attack string, three special abilities and a BOOST MODE manages to create combat that's more interesting than Sekiro?

>>16314798

>The firecracker isn't just a prosthetic its basically your iframes for this game

It's still got a significant amount of wind-up frames enemies can hit you during before you have actually thrown the firecrackers after pressing the prosthetic button

>>16314923

But it doesn't?

As this thread shows, Sekiro got more than enough interesting combat.

>>16314923

Okay but you are ignoring the fact that a needed item isn't inherently boring.

>>16314934

Firecracker isn't even needed, fucko.

It's literally an optional item you buy off a store.

There must be more praise for the art direction in this game.

I know From Game has nice art, but goddamn, this fucking game man.

>>16314944

Actually I only learn of it last night, I did 3-4 boss fights without it so far, including lady Butterfly.

>>16314245

So basically Sekiro is Dark Souls, taken back to the unrefined first game.

Hope there is a sequel, and more dev time is spent making combat more complex and giving it an actual story next time round. But that won't happen at all unless wage cucks buy this in the first place.

>>16314950

I fear they are gonna ruin it in the sequel tbh.

But at least Sekiro is good.

>>16314944

I really hate this faggot mentality where people try to discourage people from using tools because some tools are somehow broken tbh.

>>16314950

>>16314954

It would be nice if they went with a combat system like Nioh has where there is actual incentive to use your combat arts or you could use more than 1 at a time. I found myself barely using any of them outside of Ichimonji double and at the very beginning whirlwind slash. You soon learn though that it is easier to just get fast swings in and deflections. Granted I haven't experimented with all of them and in particular the ones that cost emblems to use might be good for certain situations but still it feels a bit lacking. The enemies would have to be buffed even further if they were to allow multiple combat arts because like with Nioh you would heavily rely on them through stunlocking and whatnot. Plus the whole enemies blocking your attacks thing kind of works against the long animation combat arts.

>>16314966

You are just using one of total 4 styles tbh.

There is the ashina style, ichimonji double, which is what you are using.

The ninja style which favors dodging.

The prosthetic heavy build which favors burn status and/or axe/spear.

The monk style.

The monk style seems to be the least discussed because it's too flashy and weird.

>>16314968

But this faggot 50f198 was calling firecrackers a crutch?

About to start this up on pc what am i in for? Didnt really like demon dark or x souls

>>16315014

High speed action ninja game.

Gorgeous fucking art style and graphics.

>>16315016

So Ninja Gaiden?

>>16314994

Yea but the overall point is that the combat system isn't really designed well for combat arts in general. Like I said since the enemies also block your attacks after you land 1-2 max, the ones with longer animations and more hits don't really work favorably for you. For example the one you get from the pot dude at the Estate can be extended to like 5 or 6 hits if you continue to hit attack but there are basically no fights where this is viable as enemies will just block the rest of your hits after the first 2. There are exceptions like Demon of Hatred but those fights are few and far between. It just seems like most of the actual combat arts (not talking about latents obviously) were just designed to be flashy and not have any actual use. There could be exceptions though that I haven't used much. Like the thrust one for instance I hear is pretty decent for opening up a fight with. The fact that some of them also use emblems makes it seem like they weren't really meant to be used frequently or even really outside of boss fights. There are 1 or 2 that also do damage through blocks too right? I assume those are ones that use emblems so they can't be abused but still. The Combat arts kind of just seem like they were added on after the core combat systems were already developed. Honestly aside from Ichimonji double I found myself using ninjutsu like puppeteer more than any of the other combat arts.

>>16315021

Yes, except with less combo, more interactive enemies and less bobby.

>>16315023

There is a huge conversationist matter of moves requiring emblem, there is a matter to reverse it, people fear it will run and shit.

But just experiment really, find new style to work with, the emblem can be quickly refilled or rebuy since they are cheap as shit.

>Like I said since the enemies also block your attacks after you land 1-2 max, the ones with longer animations and more hits don't really work favorably for you.

Can't block if their posture is broken.

>>16315024

kek ive never really played them but it sounded similar because muh hard.

Now to try and patch in 21:9 support and unlocked fps

>>16315025

In the second phase you have to use the spear with the grab upgrade on his severed neck, primarily when he's bent down and exposing his throat hole

>>16315029

See?

It's interactive shit like this that people miss and wipe out strategy that people never try.

Still, the spear/axe excels at boss battle.

I'm sorry, I can't take the Nioh comparison seriously.

So Nioh plays like this, pretty much 3rd person Diablo.

>>16315027

>Can't block if their posture is broken.

but at that point you are just doing a deathblow

While you are hitting them as they block they are doing posture damage to you. It is far more efficient to just stop attacking and let them attack you so you can deflect and get their posture up.

>>16315003

You are at 88 posts nigger, your autism is showing. You need to stop posting, anon.

>>16315021

>>16315014

It's not like Ninja Gaiden. It's like Dark Souls meets Tenchu. The combat heavily revolves around "deflecting" attacks, or parrying. When you parry, you build up the enemy's stamina bar, and when the bar completely fills, you can do a "deathblow" or a critical attack that deals huge damage. This works on every single enemy type, although some enemies will require that you deal enough damage to them before their stamina bar will begin to fill.

Throughout the game, you'll use the same primary weapon, a handful of useful combat arts and ninjutsu, and maybe some secondary prosthetic upgrades, but the bulk of your time with the combat system will be spent parrying. Don't expect anything deep. It's still pretty fun, though.

>>16315038

>>16315033

>Throughout the game, you'll use the same primary weapon, a handful of useful combat arts and ninjutsu, and maybe some secondary prosthetic upgrades, but the bulk of your time with the combat system will be spent parrying.

Please don't give bad advices for people just playing.

You are forcing people to play the way you want.

Anyone have a good working 21:9 fps unlock + hud fix? WSG is a fucking clusterfuck of stuff that doesnt work

>>16315034

It's risk, you can miss that deflect and get damaged instead.

I will just focus on attacking.

>>16315033

While Sekiro plays like this.

It's so much faster and smoother it's not funny.

>>16315049

>So that's the one time during the game that the spear might be useful, but only if you know of a secret trick that the game doesn't tell you.

Oh yes, because the game should tell you to use the spear, and not that you shouldn't use it yourself and experiment.

>I used the spear on plenty of enemies and it always proved to be a disappointment.

Betcha you use it prove.

>>16315047

That Nioh clip is the very start of the game. He has no skills. If you want to see what Nioh combat actually looks like find a vid of mid or late game. Honestly Nioh has much faster combat than Sekiro in a lot of instances.

>>16315055

Did you pirate it?

>>16315053

So you need skills in order to be fast as Sekiro when Sekiro's normal speed is already that.

>Honestly Nioh has much faster combat than Sekiro in a lot of instances.

Proof?

>>16314950

>So basically Sekiro is Dark Souls, taken back to the unrefined first game.

Yes, essentially, that's what I was getting at. It's a pretty stark contrast to something like Bloodborne, where it feels like they finally perfected the Souls formula and distilled it down to the most clean and cohesive experience, while also managing to make the story and world even more compelling and interesting than previous games.

Sekiro is good, but it's not perfect. Many of the new gameplay mechanics feel poorly fleshed out and leads to the experience feeling overall mixed and sometimes contradictory. It's a consequence of trying too many new things at once, so the best we can hope for is a more refined experience in the sequel.

I don't think the story can be salvaged, though. It's as plain and stereotypical as a Japanese period drama can get. The addition of some minor horror and fantasy elements really do nothing to elevate the content above what you might expect, and they didn't even manage to make the relationship between Sekiro and Kuro feel important in the first place. I didn't care about a single fucking thing that happened to anyone at any point in time, except the training dummy ironically enough.

>>16315062

You can fix the controller issue by opening up Steam and going full screen, activate xbox controller setting.

>I totally didn't pirate this but don't ask how I know this ok fren

>>16315058

>So you need skills in order to be fast as Sekiro when Sekiro's normal speed is already that.

Yes they are different games. In Nioh you gain skills that open up more combat options as you progress. Skills that blend into combat fluidly and make combat quite a bit faster.

>Proof?

Not gonna spoonfeed you. Like I said go watch a video not at the very start of the game. Maybe of someone using Tonfas or Kusarigama.

So this is "high level" gameplay.

Anyone says this feels more ninja-y than Sekiro or Ninja Gaiden is a lying bastard.

>>16315073

>Anyone says this feels more ninja-y than Sekiro or Ninja Gaiden is a lying bastard.

Who said that?

>>16315072

>Yes they are different games. In Nioh you gain skills that open up more combat options as you progress. Skills that blend into combat fluidly and make combat quite a bit faster.

But in Sekiro the same, you gain skill, but those skills don't make you faster, just more combo or better reach/damage.

>>16315079

>controller

Goddamn I'm playing this shit with a mouse.

>>16315082

>Genichiro

>parry focus

Nigger, you can literally stunlock him to death via double ichimonji.

Face it, good at parrying is a plus, but it absolutely doesn't force you to parry and parry alone.

>>16315082

>fourth boss

But you can fight him so much later than fourth :^)

>>16315087

You can do this guy via parrying.

Or dodge and slice, or jump and slice.

Try whichever you like.

>>16315083

Gonna try my shitty xbox wannabe Logitech pc controller I guess, even though I'll go back to mouse I am certain

Anyone got a link to the 21:9 and FPS unlock mods? Gonna give this a shot tomorrow on my ultrawidescreen PG348Q

Lol no quicksave?

>>16315092

It's like Souls, always like baby.

>>16315078

Talking specifically about combat arts. In Nioh all of your combat skills blend fluidly into your base combat while in Sekiro like I pointed out here >>16315023 Combat arts just simply aren't viable in most situations. You are meant to deflect instead of stringing together chains of combat skills. They are just different games. I suggest actually playing it if you don't understand what I mean.

>>16315091

Yep here ya go, WSG forums has the links all over the place even the wiki sucks heres all 3 fixes

First put the sekiro exe in the game folder then patch it with the fps unlocker (best to pick the max hz of your screen) then drop the ui fix in the main folder

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11eP0Amci7aZq2KoIANYznJ_3iePA2hjc/view?usp=sharing

>>16315095

But I am playing it my friend.

And no, you aren't meant to deflect. Deflection is just one part of the game.

Dodge and jump are a part of it too, and while you can't string fuck huge combo, you sure as fuck can avoid getting hits while plestering the enemy full of hits.

>Combat arts just simply aren't viable in most situations.

Whirwind slash, and double ichimonji destroys most situation. Ninja Slash reversal is a nice getting out of jail free card as well.

>>16315049

I think it was already specified time and time again that different things are hard counters for different bosses. Like say how the shuriken is a hard counter for Lady Butterfly

>>16315073

Holy shit you chose the worse fucking player to showcase your point

keep dying to that guy lol

>>16315102

thanks mate

>>16315111

>Like say how the shuriken is a hard counter for Lady Butterfly

Shuriken only knocks her down.

Lady Butterfly's hard counter is dodge slash. You can stunlock her over and over again.

Hell, I use the axe in that fight without problem.

>Holy shit you chose the worse fucking player to showcase your point

And you use a vid where he parries like mad LOL

>>16315095

After unlocking Ichimonji Double, that was my go-to combat art 90% time for the rest of the game. I used Whirlwind Slash for like two boss fights and sometimes while roaming.

At first I was excited about Ashina Cross when I unlocked it, but the damage was kinda meh and the emblem cost even more meh.

>>16315119

Ichimonji double makes the game beatable without most of prosthetic art.

Though it is nice as fuck.

>>16315116

I had no idea 3 parries was like mad. He Ki pulses and does all sorts of combos, but he only really parry counters 3 times.

And the shuriken stunlocks her too, because she falls on her fucking ass and tries to jump up again immediately after. I reference it as her hard counter because she very much is weak to that much like how Chained Ogre is weak to the fire vent

>>16315122

>I had no idea 3 parries was like mad. He Ki pulses and does all sorts of combos, but he only really parry counters 3 times.

Really? I see a lot of these sword cross animation, what's that? And I feel in that fight, it's Ryo who are you fighting and not you.

>And the shuriken stunlocks her too, because she falls on her fucking ass and tries to jump up again immediately after.

It doesn't happen, shuriken knocks her down so you can stunlock her again, she doesn't immediately jump after being thrown (unless glitch).

>I reference it as her hard counter because she very much is weak to that much like how Chained Ogre is weak to the fire vent

And I disagree because while shuriken knocks her down midflight, it doesn't provide enough advantage like dodge slash (which is actually in the tutorial message).

>>16315103

>>16315119

In regards to Ichimonji double, this was already discussed earlier in the thread and I explained why the others just aren't worth using. It is one of the only good combat arts because it does a ton of posture damage and it is only 2 hits. The other combat arts that have long animations and multiple hits just aren't viable. Feel free to prove me wrong if you want but it is almost always more efficient to just stop and let the enemy attack you so you can deflect instead of using a 5 hit combat art that has 3 of it's attacks get blocked and does posture damage to you.

I really liked Sekiro it's pretty good and lives up to the other games from software has made but I just wish it had the armour, levelling, weapons and multiplayer of the other games. I'm also less of a fan of the setting of the story i'm much more of a fan of bloodbornes or dark souls.

Bloodborne is still my favourite in the series.

A quick question.

Download Sekiro, or download Payday 2?

They're both free to me.

>>16315132

>Feel free to prove me wrong if you want but it is almost always more efficient to just stop and let the enemy attack you so you can deflect instead of using a 5 hit combat art that has 3 of it's attacks get blocked and does posture damage to you.

I already prove you wrong on this. It is risky to let yourself attack, if you miss your block, your posture gets damaged.

Why do that shit at all when you can just dodge and attack.

>In regards to Ichimonji double, this was already discussed earlier in the thread and I explained why the others just aren't worth using.

Another wrong, ichimonji double is the best combat art, but it's not the only one who's worth using. Shadowcrush and shadowfall have way better range for example.

>>16315138

Sekiro.

If you want FPS, play STALKER.

>>16315140

>Why do that shit at all when you can just dodge and attack.

You can't always "dodge". I assume you mean sidestep. A great deal of the attacks in the game will still hit you whether you dodge to the sides or backstep. You need to just get good at mikiri countering, goomba stomping and sidestepping most grabs. The rest of the time you should be deflecting every enemy attack and getting hits in after their attack string ends. I assume you just aren't very far into the game yet or you would know this. I mean unless you are just running away when an enemy attacks and running in to get 1-2 hits off and then running away again.

>>16315129

In Nioh when you parry you do a counter attack, He only does that three times. one at 7 seconds, one at 27 and sorry, miscounted, 4 times one at 1:08 and one at 1:58, but the point still stands. If you actually watched it most of the fight was him dodging and running and comboing but I guess that's all parries.

And I disagree that even though the tooltip says it's intended to scramble her AI with dodge slash, it wasn't as reliable in my fight as making sure she didn't get in the air, which is what the shurikens do. But again dodge slash is also a situational thing that works on some bosses and not others. and could also be the hard counter. It's still like how Snap peas fuck up the corrupted monk despite not really being useful any other times

>>16315116

>And you use a vid where he parries like mad LOL

Katanas in Nioh are built around parries and counters.

You'd be stupid to not use them.

How come people that like the game are angrier than people that don't?

>>16315151

>You can't always "dodge". I assume you mean sidestep.

You can, you can jump and you can dodgde.

>A great deal of the attacks in the game will still hit you whether you dodge to the sides or backstep.

Actually, you can dodge ALL attacks, but some attacks can be parried.

>I mean unless you are just running away when an enemy attacks and running in to get 1-2 hits off and then running away again.

Fight would take forever this way, so nope.

>>16315162

Most people playing it are having fun.

It's the only bitter people who complain about it on the board.

>>16315163

>but some attacks can NOT be parried*

>>16315162

More aggressive people tend to enjoy more difficult games, and by all accounts, Sekiro is a difficult game. Think; Competency. Incompetent people tend to be less well, competent, and as a result less aggressive.

>>16315154

>If you actually watched it most of the fight was him dodging and running and comboing but I guess that's all parries.

Most of the fight is parrying, dodging, which is the reason why it went as fuck as it does. Most Sekiro skilled combat lasts faster.

>, it wasn't as reliable in my fight as making sure she didn't get in the air,

Well, you can stunlock her forever with dodge slash.

>>16315111

Am I seeing this wrong or is that way too similar to Hyabusa's model in NG?

>>16315184

Maybe that's why they are complaining so much about it LOL

>>16315180

It's actually Jin Hyabusa himself. He's the final fight in the Final DLC and the hardest fight in Nioh all together

And yes, he drops his sword armor set and Izuna Drop as well as after beating him you can unlock his skin to put on William to boot

>>16315181

I still think the most insane example of translation fuck-ups is the giant toad, pronounced "giant toad."

>>16315162

Is anyone even saying it is bad? I have actually been enjoying it outside of most of the combat arts feeling tacked on.

>>16315163

Your sidestep doesn't have invincibility frames. So for enemies with spears or other long reaching attacks you aren't side/backstepping without getting hit.

>>16315193

That's pretty cool.

I actually have nioh on my harddrive, but my BEEFY RIG couldn't run it and I heard this one was a bit less demanding so I figured why not.

>>16315197

>Your sidestep doesn't have invincibility frames. So for enemies with spears or other long reaching attacks you aren't side/backstepping without getting hit.

And? Just jump if they are sweeping and mikiri deflect i.e. sidestep.

>>16315203

Mikiri isn't a sidestep. Also people with long reaching attacks don't only just sweep. You're dumb and trying way too hard to defend something that doesn't need to be defended.

>>16315199

Ah I don't blame you. But Nioh is all kinds of neat. One of the funniest things is you can fight Sasaki Kojiro, and you get an achievement if you beat him with wooden dual blades

>>16315205

This is why no one take ragequitters seriously.

The game isn't hard.

I would say it's easier than Dark Souls because it gives you so much options and movement.

>>16315206

>Mikiri isn't a sidestep.

It's performed by the dodge/sprint button actually.

>Also people with long reaching attacks don't only just sweep.

And if they don't just sweep, dodge the fuck away.

>You're dumb and trying way too hard to defend something that doesn't need to be defended.

What the fuck am I even defending? I'm criticizing that you are playing parrying only while the game doesn't force you to do that. You do that.

>>16315212

>And if they don't just sweep, dodge the fuck away.

What I mean is they still have that long ass weapon that they are swinging whether is is a perilous sweep or not. Their regular attacks are far reaching and you need to deflect them. They aren't always at ground level so you can't jump them and they are so wide that you can't dodge through them. It really seems like you haven't played the game.

>>16315222

Hilariously enough; some perilous attacks you can still deflect. I'm not sure if that's unintentional but I remember parrying a swipe or two from the horse dude, even with Perilous attack kanji up. It's just unblockable but not unparriable. So if you fuck up, you can still get hit and from what I know of you can't parry grabs still.

>>16315239

Yea you can deflect some perilous thrusts too.

>>16315212

>What the fuck am I even defending? I'm criticizing that you are playing parrying only while the game doesn't force you to do that. You do that.

You could be criticized for the same reason of pushing using dodge and attack as the only way to play.

Realistically though, deflecting attacks is far more effective and efficient for playing the game. Most enemies auto-block attacks unless they're in an attack animation cooldown, making dodge + attack a very slow fighting method. In comparison, deflecting attacks makes heavy posture damage and forcibly opens an enemy for counterattack, making a deathblow available much sooner. It's likely the way the developers expect you to play most encounters, considering that some extremely powerful enemies become laughably easy by just deflecting instead of dodging to attack (example: the blue robe samurai in ashina castle).

>>16315266

Yeah to be honest, I stealth killed him then threw oil at him and hit him with fire, when the fire went out throw more oil and do it again. Fight's a breeze after that

>>16315266

The ogre probably has the most fucked up attack hitboxes in the game. There were some webms in an earlier Sekiro thread.

>>16293867

>>16315271

I tried it once, it didn't do shit for damage and he healed it entirely once I dashed back to heal.

>>16315276

I have some from the burning castle, how the fuck do I do it?

I was behind him unnoticed multiple times, but the fag just turns back instantly once you're close enough and there's no backstab prompt.

>>16315255

I kinda feel like that despite the build crafting Nioh is mostly revolved around, comparing it to Sekiro is a little apt. Some stuff was actually borrowed straight from Nioh such as some of the level layouts, how enemy AI works and unfair reoccurring coupled with a secondary boss along side especially. Some of the techniques are even the same. But honestly, at the end of the day, I'd hardly call Nioh a Soulslike, it really is more like Diablo thanks to the loot system and the ways you can break the game with builds.

>>16315276

Ideally you shouldn't be fighting Headless without being able to buy it in the first place since the drops are so abysmal.

>>16315300

It's for the free hits. He's staggered more when he's actually on fire which is why I say throw oil first

>>16315239

All perilous thrusts can be deflected just like how enemies can deflect your thrust attack but not guard it.

>>16314761

>Spear, Sabimaru, Shuriken

Sabimaru cause 'muh combo, Shuriken because ninja and Spear because I am somewhat of a polearm fetishist. If there had been a halberd I would have used that too.

>>16315353

Also in his headless phase, if you deflect that overhead slam that has a long windup it stuns him for quite a long time.

>>16315222

>What I mean is they still have that long ass weapon that they are swinging whether is is a perilous sweep or not.

And? You can jump or dodge the fuck away.

>It really seems like you haven't played the game.

What proof do I need, fren?

>>16315226

But it is a sidestep, you perform it by hitting the dodge/sprint button.

>>16315247

>You could be criticized for the same reason of pushing using dodge and attack as the only way to play.

Where do I even say that?

You are free to dodge, you are free to deflect, some work better than the other (try to deflect the ogre, ya git).

But it's wrong to say that the developers FORCE you to do shit.

>>16315255

NONE of Nioh gameplay video confirms the game is even fast or feel ninja-like like Nioh.

>>16315453

Are you a legitimate retard? You can't jump or dodge away because their weapon is too long or their attack was too wide and you have no invincibility frames.

>What proof do I need, fren?

Your lack of game knowledge speaks for itself.

>>16315458

>But it's wrong to say that the developers FORCE you to do shit.

Who said that? Stop strawmanning.

>>16315458

>it's wrong to say that the developers FORCE you to do shit.

The anon you were replying to never once made any claim that the game forces you to play a specific way.

His argument was that the combat arts are mostly useless with regards to how the system deals with AI and blocks/deflects, and he is correct.

Just because other gameplay options exists doesn't mean that they're particularly viable, especially compared to other options.

Technically, you can play through all of Dark Souls with nothing but fists, but it's a miserable shitty experience.

A well-designed game would make all available options functional and viable, or would at least make the non-viable options intentionally non-viable (a-la the ladles in Dark Souls 2).

>>16315485

I dunno if I'm agreeing or disagreeing as that post is confusing but I have to say as much as I like both, Sekiro is no where near as fast as Nioh is and that's because Nioh you can chain combos together, sadly Sekiro is tied to one combat art at a time.

>>16315489

>Are you a legitimate retard? You can't jump or dodge away because their weapon is too long or their attack was too wide and you have no invincibility frames.

But you can, unless the enemy has a spear, which means you can mikiri drop it.

>Your lack of game knowledge speaks for itself.

Where though?

>>16315492

>His argument was that the combat arts are mostly useless with regards to how the system deals with AI and blocks/deflects, and he is correct.

But the combat arts are supposed to go with the prosthetic arts, you can't go one without the other.

>A well-designed game would make all available options functional and viable

So no game is well-designed then. Even DMC has shitty styles.

>Just because other gameplay options exists doesn't mean that they're particularly viable, especially compared to other options.

They are all viable though.

>>16315504

It should be that Nioh is nowhere near as fast and ninja-y as Sekiro.

Nioh feels like fucking Diablo compared to Sekiro's fast run and quickill system.

>>16315517

What makes Sekiro faster? You look at any farming video, any grinding video for Nioh and it's incredibly fast. Marobashi has a boss rush of 6 bosses and people run that shit in two minutes. Demon King Revealed is a 7 boss rush in a level you have to transverse and people get that shit done in 5. I'll give you Sekiro being more Ninja like but faster? Not a chance.

>>16315511

>the combat arts are supposed to go with the prosthetic arts

What are you even talking about? We're talking about the active combat *skills*, not the combat art *skill tree*. Are you intentionally misinterpreting things?

>So no game is well-designed then. Even DMC has shitty styles.

Answer: Yes, you are intentionally misinterpreting things. I didn't say "equally functional and viable", I just said "functional and viable". It's nearly impossible to make everything in a game equal in usefulness to everything else, that shouldn't need to be stated literally. We're talking about *relative* functionality and viability, and the relative viability of combat skills aside from Ichimonji are very low compared to Ichimonji itself, and especially low when compared to just using regular attacks and running instead.

>They are all viable though.

They aren't. Most are a complete waste of time and are more dangerous to use than they are beneficial because of the long animations and the fact that most hits will be blocked.

>>16315542

Just don't even bother. This has all already been explained to him.

>>16315542

>What are you even talking about? We're talking about the active combat *skills*, not the combat art *skill tree*. Are you intentionally misinterpreting things?

How? So are you saying MOST combat arts are crap in this game, including the prosthetic weapons?

> I didn't say "equally functional and viable", I just said "functional and viable"

But they ARE functional and viable.

>We're talking about *relative* functionality and viability, and the relative viability of combat skills aside from Ichimonji are very low compared to Ichimonji itself, and especially low when compared to just using regular attacks and running instead.

Bullshit, you are using one of the most widespread combat art to say that most combat arts are useless.

>>16315551

Where though?

>>16315532

>What makes Sekiro faster?

The speed, the animation, the options given so you can kill enemy.

>Marobashi has a boss rush of 6 bosses and people run that shit in two minutes.

Well, people are already completing Sekiro within one hour.

>>16315551

I know, but it's fun to continually shit on retards.

>>16315564

>So are you saying MOST combat arts are crap in this game, including the prosthetic weapons?

Yes.

>But they ARE functional and viable.

They aren't, in comparison to using basic attacks, deflects, dodges, and running.

>Bullshit, you are using one of the most widespread combat art to say that most combat arts are useless.

It's the most widespread combat art because it's the only combat art that's realistically viable for most of the game.

Checkmate.