/v/ - Video Games

>>16302881

Its better for fags who actually work in the industry though, there are more horror stories daily of programmers getting fucked over with no recourse

>>16302896

>ur just blinded by nostalgia XDDDD

Next time some fag says that to you, remind him that people are still playing games from 30 years ago, but not games from 3 years ago.

No I think the industry has shown us that everything gets fucked up with or without unions

Would this negatively affect the consumer? For all I know these guys are interested in unionizing because they don't want to deal with RDR2 levels of crunch time.

>>16302904

Good. We wouldn't want you to do either.

>>16302926

>Would this negatively affect the consumer?

Get ready for $80 to $100 games Even without dlc. When Hollywood unionized ticket prices risen faster than inflation.

You are aware than hatred of unions only occurs in the US, right? I can guarantee you most well-established non-burger vidya developpers have unions as standard practice.

>>16302940

Oh jesus christ europoor shut the fuck up, you don't have to make everything about you all the fucking time

>>16302940

this explains why europeans have never made anything good

>>16302940

> I can guarantee you most well-established non-burger vidya developpers have unions as standard practice.

You think japan an economical powerhouse because of unions? Biggest publisher in Europe Ubisoft do major of their work in Canada.

>>16302881

this could possibly be a good thing. from what i gather gamedev is considered the lowest tier computer engineering due to working conditions, if gamedev becomes a more attractive job it will get more competent people working for it.

my guess for the next big cancer is streaming games from servers instead of playing them locally.

>>16302940

Unions are extremely common in North East burgerland.

Guess what they inevitability turn into?

Soft mafias who fleece money, launder that money for a political party, and then whip their members to vote for that party.

Just like they probably do in your country.

>>16302904

>>>/gulag/

>>16302881

Western games are practically interchangeable from movies already anyway.

>>16302904

>Don't worry boys, I'm unionized

Who cares. You don't need it, you never needed it, and you'll never need it. Stop complaining about the new ways SJWs are sucking each other off this time and just like make game.

>>16302899

Now yes but thats more to do with game engines back in the day everything was made from scratch, And ore effort and talent was needed so if you want to make re2 with leftover code from one or majora's mask, You had fucking better have the original coders or it wll take far longer.

>>16302959

>You think japan an economical powerhouse because of unions?

Union membership was really high in Japan for decades after WWII.

The reason why unions always turn to shit is because of commies and Nips were active in keeping them out of unions for a long time, unlike the west.

>>16302904

I want to turn that cat into a traditional and conservative woman and then marry and impregnate her.

>>16302953

don't mind their inferiority complex anon

This would have worked great two decades ago back when programmers and the like were actually very skilled at what they do and did gaming as a passionate hobby. Nowadays it's nothing but pajeets and neon haired college dropouts that work in video games and they are a dime a dozen. If you are incredibly easy to replace due to your job being absolutely brainless and there being a massive pool of workers to choose from then your union isn't going to be very successful.

>>16302953

"You don't have to make it about you" is the same as saying "You don't have to make it not about us".

>not wanting to kick corporate asses

Pathetic.

>>16302940

Hows not having free speech

Americs may suck ass but its better than your shithole continent

>>16302899

The people going to those unions aren't coders, they're gay/tranny/communist artists and narrative designers".

>>16302961

That's why people vote with their wallets and stop funding them. In time, more moral unions will replace the dead ones, the cycle will begin anew, and their function will be restored before they turn to shit again.

imagine actually supporting huge companies so they could screw the very devs who make all these great games

>>16303197

Leftists don't care about helping the poor, they use the grievances of the poor to gain power that they can abuse towards their enemies. They're worse than AAA big corps since they penalize you under the basis of ideology instead of labor.

Don't believe me? Have you ever wondered why they frequently try to deplatform people for bad thoughts instead of bad labor?

>>16303197

>imagine actually supporting huge companies

Disney, Comcast/NBC, Warner bros and majority of major television and movies studios all been unionized. Unless you are an actor. Your treated like shit. Before Hollywood unionization. Talented people use to set their rates. You think video games will be any better unionized?

>>16303197

Great devs don't need publishers to make great games at all.

>>16303181

That hasn't happened in practice since they will make themselves the only option.

>>16303215

I know, right? Why can't anyone see that unions have empowered monopolies?

>>16303239

It’s almost like unions are used to keep politicians and corporate enterities in power instead of improving working Conditions.

>>16303033

Nips were pretty good at keeping them out in general teebeehaych

>>16303241

It can be argued they use to be good before the 1970s.

>>16302902

>ur just blinded by nostalgia XD

<I'm playing Dungeon Keeper 2 right now and I've played through Thief last week.

>stop being such a contrarian hipster XD

>>16303122

It's an American website, talking about an American "issue," you're mentally unwell anon

>>16303246

It pisses me off that there are people out there with the mentality of "Unions were good at one point ergo they will always be good and are above any and all criticism". You're just supposed to ignore the disgustingly corrupt bloated monster they have become simply because at one point in history several decades ago they fought for better working conditions. They're riding on the good will of previous efforts much like publishers digging up an old game series and modernizing it to the point where it is unrecognizable.

>>16302881

If you make a union, in a business that already fucks over it's employees, then the industry had it coming.

It will lead to prosecution. And while the union may be bad for a while, it'll fall too. But the original order is destroyed.

There is nothing else that can really be done, and there are no miracles that can save the industry. So competition is needed.

>>16302881

It's 2019 you idiot. That's from last year.

You know what? The publishers and the company heads deserve it. Working your employees like slaves to get out a good product is one thing, but these people can rarely even do that right. Let them get Marxed on. See if I care.

>>16303219

Yeah i know

>>16302881

Unions = communism, and thus, shit. The good thing is that normalfags can be mobilized to boycott any developer that is a member of the union.

>>16302899

As they should. They are leftists. Not people.

>>16303448

Unions aren't inherently communist, they only became so over time due to communist/kike subversion, you retarded spic. If you had ever bothered to read Mein Kampf instead of LARPing like a niggerspic you would've already known this, as Hitler explicitly states he supports unions as long as the state is controlled by a government that's hostile to the workers.

>>16303448

>Unions = communism

no, it's an extortion racket, basically a group of incompetent employees group together, bully competernt workers to join in or suffer, and then demand companies to pay to useless shitheads

>>16303454

>Unions aren't inherently communist,

They are now, dumb dumb. Want proof? Easy! Ask yourself this question: Who won World War II?

>>16303454

>a government that's hostile to the workers

In the US's case its corporate entities that are hostile to workers. Fucking corporations like GM would pay pennies if they could get away with it. Thus we have the worst of both ends at each other's throats

>>16303472

>So communism.

according to your retarded definition, mafia or biker gangs are communist, don't be fucking retraded

>>16303472

Would you say that the current fuckery is better then an extortion racket? Do you want us to be CHINA tier when it comes to wages?

>>16303444

The thing is, Americans are somehow still under the delusion they live in the "land of the free", when their governments will send out the military to kill them, if they decide to live in a compound in the woods.

>>16303469

>missing the point

Unions nowadays are communist, but the concept of a union itself isn't inherently communist, and unions didn't start out communist originally. Please think for five seconds before posting bullsh it, you dumb nigger.

bunch of leftypol faggots in here.

>>16303484

>military

You mean militarized police, which was initially a side effect of niggers being niggers.

>>16303481

the reason you've always had hard time in schools, is your very low IQ

>>16303389

Games as art means taking game seriously. Taking games seriously makes it more appealing to normalfags because they don't want to get caught playing with kid's toys.

>>16303231

Yes, until they detach themselves from the workers enough that they stop getting money and memberships from them

>>16303489

>flood you with people you don't want

>remove freedom of segregation

>militarise the police force, who then start stamping down on you

Land of the free.

>>16303444

Remember to bake your local faggots their wedding cake

>>16303496

just because it's not made for kids and geared towards adults doesn't make it art. not all entertainment is art. but i guess our standards for everything have dropped considerably. unions had place but like a lot of other things they've served their place and it's time for them to move on. at this point they hamper more than they help.

>>16303485

>Dodging the point.

I only see Adolf Hitler claiming such a thing. And, as I asked before, who won World War II?

>>16303510

At least there is no EU article 13 yet.

>>16303518

3 nation states

vs

rest of the fucking planet

oh yeah, well who won?

>>16303518

Who won WW2 is irrelevent because unions existed before WW2. I said that when unions were originally created they weren't communist, and they were created long before WW2. When they were first founded, they were just groups of workers organized to gain rights, and over time became subvered by communists.

Why do you keep bringing up WW2? Retarded nigger.

>>16303523

People in Europe know things are bad. Americans are the ones who forever fall back on "least I'm free", when they aren't.

>>16303525

>counting africa and india

Keep in mind japan was having its way with china by itself, and germany was romping through all of yuroop with italy with no issue until the US and USSR got involved. Especially after the USSR broke its treaties with germany like the backstabbing commie cunts they are.

>>16303535

<Why do you keep brining up WW2?

>Keeps bringing up World War 2.

I dunno, anon. Why 'do' you cling to a past which was defeated so hard that it has no more place in (((modern times))) in any way, shape, or form?

>>16303536

I'll remember that when I'm arrested for memes.

>>16303364

Problem with that is that if natives go on strike they will fire you and bring in overseas workers to replace you.

>>16303533

Black people disgust me

>>16303545

>least I'm free, can't get arrested for memes!

<gets shot

>>16303555

>gets shot

As opposed to getting stabbed?

>>16303544

You still miss the point.

I said that when unions were originally founded, they weren't communist. You responded by asking me who won WW2. Your response is meaningless; who won WW2 is irrelevent to the fact that unions, which were funded long before WW2, were originally not communist.

>>16303561

Stabbed by the Police for living in the woods?

>>16303545

You might not get arrest but good luck finding a job or not getting disowned by everyone you know.

>>16303536

We can talk freely, you can't.

Your entire system is fucked up because you don't have a state by state process, it's all across the board with your issues. Possibly because Britain is smaller, but the EU has a method of making all law changes across the board and is trying to go global, but even after the Brits have finally left, IF they do, the problems in Britain won't magically go away just like that.

I want you to know that I don't hate you, and my mockery is to get your ass angry at your own country for shit that is unacceptable in a truly free land. Freedom doesn't mean you live in a utopia, it just means you can make things better with your own two hands.

>>16303546

It's not good for company brand to do that. They'll do it to keep shit in operation but frankly the pressure of another organization that is constantly antagonistic is a death knell over time. And they can't do it so easily with stores and markets, since immigrants come to america to get MONEY, get fucked THE SAME WAY and undergo the same process of unionization. And this doesn't apply to lower level business like supermarkets either.

So you get more and more people in one over time, and it multiplies over time.

If you want to destroy a corp, you need bodies.

>>16303566

Normally when you go innawoods you cut yourself off from the internet almost entirely. Why on earth would you advertise your presence if you're trying to remain off the grid?

>>16303562

Well, then good luck in your quest to become a time wizard, if you're so insistent on keeping the accuracy of irrelevant facts about unions which have zero bearing on reality today.

>>16303568

> it just means you can make things better with your own two hands.

You can't though. Your government will literally kill you if you begin to pose even the slightest threat. You have a vague illusion of freedom because you can own an assault rifle and say "nigger", for what good that does.

>>16303569

Ruby Ridge, m8.

>>16303573

>no argument

Concession accepted.

>>16303176

This. Compsci people work long hours but get paid tons, any of them that are smart won't want to unionize because it just means they'll be paying for stupid people's benefits.

>>16303574

Fuck off blackpillfag.

>>16303580

You're not free. You need to get over this delusion.

>>16303577

Well done, anon. Whatever helps you keep your mind off of your people losing ground daily to bronze age savages.

>18

This is from last fucking year.

>>16303574

>Ruby Ridge

Brought to the public and the government lost that court case big time and was humiliated in the process. And with Waco also still in the public media, caused them to reevaluate a whole bunch of laws.

>>16303582

>blackpill fagging

Now I know you're a shitposter. Why don't you tell me of the time your grandpa died 6 times at the battle of the bulge?

>>16303595

You need to recognise the problem if you're ever going to fix it. "I'm free" chest beating gets no one anywhere. All it does is obfuscate now not free you are.

>>16303151

This

Threads like this are just a neo-lib circlejerk

It's not like every major Western dev isn't pozzed to hell and back from the top down

>>16302936

>AAA shit will get more expensive

Oh no, I'm so fucking sad, now less people will give Kotick money

>>16303601

And shitposting does nothing, you're derailing the thread you stupid cunt. Take it to /pol/ or /leftypol/.

>>16303604

Devs aren't all the same like that, you know very little about the rest of the industry because you've seen the worst with a megaphone on the internet.

lmao gaming in 2020 will be a bunch of minorities sub-contracting and interning whites who pay the taxes that fund the studios that pump out anti-white garbage.

>>16303612

Lol. Don't talk shit then.

>>16303621

>Lol. Don't talk shit then.

And you will forever be a nigger.

>>16303615

Devs that treat their workers alright don't have to worry about them organizing

There's a multi-billion dollar industry designed just to help businesses crush union organizing, too, they basically coordinate psyops to convince workers that are on the fence to not support it

Only behemoth AAA trash will have to worry about this and if you buy that bullshit you have to go back

>>16302881

Thats from '18.

Although it would be pretty good. Fucking up shit for AAA companies at worst and causing mass firings while fucking up AAA companies at best.

>>16302940

>Pointing out US-specific thing, not even shitting on uncle sam.

>5 mutts are instantly triggered enough to angrily post "no ur worse! >:("

like pottery.

>>16303624

Im pretty sure the main problem they have is that a good chunk of jap creators dont give in to their sjw bullshit or outright mock them while being more talented than they could ever dream of.

Also thread anchored in 3.2.1.

>>16303647

>Devs that treat their workers alright don't have to worry about them organizing

>80 hour work weeks

>on fucking salary

Yeah fuck off.

Unions used to protect folk but now all they do is force employers to pay for workers who won't work. You want a reason companies outsource to third parties? Reason number one right there.

>>16303656

So why is there such a huge push AGAINST unions by companies then? If they're clearly not effected at all as you push forth.

>>16303501

Except you can't work in unionized industries without being in a union dipshit.

>>16303549

>The unspoken goal, but logical conclusion, of Communism is to abolish Capitalism by abolishing every possible desire a human could have for buying and selling and owning to "free" the worker from the chains of Capitalism.

>Cheap pajeets make video games worse and worse than they already are.

>Less and less desire for video games.

>Communist-led AAA Capitalist industry destroyed.

>Communism still "wins" even in its own self-immolation.

>And you're the one who will spend the rest of his life living in the ashes as you slowly come to realize the unmeasurable total amount of labor, logistics, and talent, which you no longer have, that goes into making the simplest of video games.

Of course, no more video games might be a better option than what we have today. I do understand that point of view.

>>16303650

>Im pretty sure the main problem they have is that a good chunk of jap creators dont give in to their sjw bullshit or outright mock them while being more talented than they could ever dream of.

I feel sorry for devs locked under a contract with Sony to make games for PS4. Though devs that don't have a contract or just fulfilled their contract has been abandoning Sony's platform for others. PS5 will be near Japanese Game free.

>>16303660

>Right to Work laws pass in several states

>Unions go apeshit over the prospect of losing fees because people can work without having a union boss lord over them

>>16303654

That's one of those devs that should be worried, then

Another thing companies will do is put a carrot on a stick to get workers to rethink unionizing

If they catch wind that pro-union sentiment is in the break room you'll see that work week start to get shorter and shorter

>>16303678

Are you defending them having work weeks that long, or what? What's your argument here?

>>16303241

Garbage. My wages are minimum wage despite being union and working at my store for 4 years. The benefits are shit and slow to even earn. I work in multiple departments that pay more, while still keeping the lower pay because I'm not fully promoted. The union allows this. I work every holiday while the reps are 9-5 on weekdays with all holidays off. They also stopped fighting to keep benefits and don't try to help us. Even the senior employees with the best benefits have lost holiday pay on half the holidays they started with and no longer trust the union.

Thankfully I'm graduating this semester with a Civil Engineering degree. (I originally wanted to move to Switzerland, but are they getting cucked despite being non-EU? I at least want to leave Jew York)

>>16303665

>Of course, no more video games might be a better option than what we have today. I do understand that point of view.

even the ussr made better games than the sjw's tetris is the shit.

>>16303660

Sorry, in my country you can just tell unions to go get fucked by a horse so I thought it'd be the same in Freedomland™ :^)

>>16303681

>Jew York

Run. Run anywhere except CA. Literally any state has better offerings except CA.

you guys ever notice how right to work states are becoming more popular instead of less?

yeah, it's because unions have ran their course and have become nothing but corrupt bullshit that basically extorts you if you want to work in their industry.

unions would be fine if people could opt into them and companies had a choice to hire union or non union…..

why do unions fight so hard against passing laws giving workers the option of joining their stupid union or not?

>>16303241

Depends on the union. You get some that actually do their job and get their workers good benefits and pay and you get parasitic shitheads. It mostly depends on the quality of your local.

>>16303702

Lotta damage control in this thread.

>>16303705

Okay, the industry standard is shit and they're treated like slaves, I'm saying how they can get it to stop and instead you're just repeating reasons why I have a point? Come on now.

>>16303713

>Reddit spacing

>……

It's a shill

>>16303659

Because they still have an existing work base they essentially just pay protection to. The influence is so drastic that it essentially forces most companies that have unions to phase out certain departments which generally costs jobs. The only option then becomes the third party and, because they aren't as established and getting flooded with work Union employees won't do, it's harder off meaning less people apply. The result is an ultimate stagnation.

>>16303717

>(1)

>>16303717

They are now, they weren't before.

>>16303671

Oh and guess what in right to work states unions are practically non-existent since nobody with a brain with joins them.

There are no discussions when everyone hides their intellectual cowardice behind irony.

>>16302899

No just get the fuck out. All this will do is outsource code monkey jobs to street shitters. This will finally software development in the west outside of niche hobbyists. And street shitters can't innovate. Plus unions have been abused by the left to corrupt the industry inside out.

Do those working as code monkeys better diversify their skill sets if they don't want to join unions. Your future is no longer software development. Have no loyalty to businesses other than your own. Contract labor, not employment, is the future of American business.

>>16303730

Yes, and?

>>16303764

I'm with you, anon

>>16303764

And as soon the Western industry dies, Japan will dominate like they did with consoles in the 90s.

>>16303702

This isnt reddit you flamboyant crossposter

>>16303731

Well luckily we at least have your insightful

philosophical commentary as a replacement.

>>16303757

In this case, it's better to join somebody who at least pretends to be your ally, than to just give free access to your asshole to EA and company

>>16303764

Really though,it'll just turn to a seesaw of shittiness because most people are incapable of fixing the growing complexity of problems caused by atttempting to fix the previous problems. You don't stumble upon wisdom or create it by accident.

>>16303806

I gladly will. If I die it is because of my mistakes, not because someone else has control over my life and death.

And if you think that this is an acceptable way to go, you're part of the issue. You need to fight back instead of being a coward.

Unions just make the Chinese workforce more palatable. If they're backing Epic Game Store, the surely wouldn't mind China taking more of our jobs and money.

>>16303806

You have at least a shot at survival with the cuts, they take enough time for you to react

>>16303816

Is this a bot?

>>16303799

I liked some Western games. But I think the Western industry has to die before being able to be resurrected by niche Western devs and hobbyists.

>>16303838

You can't be a kid forever.

>>16303830

Its indicative of a MUCH wider problem.

>>16303852

Yes, the problems in vidya extend to all media industries. The restriction of creative freedoms, leftist domination and good, hard working people constantly being fucked by suits so long as it makes the growth chart look good at the end of the quarter.

>>16303854

You know, I've been suggesting a solution for this shit and all you've been doing is acting undeservedly smug as you get smacked down to save face.

What solution do YOU have, shithead? Nothing at all, I'm guessing. You aren't a fucking sage, you're a slacker.

>>16303866

if you gave me the choice of leftist faggots or suit domination, I'd take suit domination every time.

>>16303884

>he thinks he can actually change anything

guess you haven't been paying attention to what's happened to Trump since Nov. 8th 2016.

>>16303884

You can't prevent yourself from getting fucked as an individual so you need to rabble rouse some shock troops whom you don't care what happens to. This is a reaction, not a solution.

>>16303893

>no u

Go take a walk

>>16303786

fuck off faggot, everyone knows its you redditfags that are the commie cum suckers who support unions.

>>16302881

you do realize big game companies make their money by immediately firing 90% of the workforce after a game is made, right?

In what world is that good practice?

>>16303930

Screaming and leaping is not a solution in opposition to blackpilledness.

>>16303975

ever heard of contractors or contract work you stupid commie fuck? lol. i do the same shit in the aircraft industry, non-union. it's fine if you're good at what you do and are not a idiot, you typically have contracts lined up so after one finishes you go somewhere else, it's only a problem if you're SO shit at what you do that word has gotten around not to hire you, then you get frozen out of contracts and end up working at starbucks. which is fine and good.

>>16303987

it is if by screaming and jumping you mean accelerationism. being black pilled just means you know/learned something, it doesn't mean you are doing anything….there's a difference between actions and knowladge/thoughts/words.

all freedom and liberty is ultimately backed by force.

>article 13 & 11

I keep hearing about this but are you telling me it's actually going to change anything, for us?

>unions

It's not as if every AAA game recently hasn't been pozzed in one way or another.

>>16304000

this

money will inevitably find it's way around AIDS.

The only reason leftists have a voice at all is because Jeff Bezos feels it is in his interests to allow them to destroy social capital so that only financial capital is left to circulate. Once they start over reaching, AIDS get their shit pushed in, and rightly so.

As soon as these faggots would "unionize," contractors and new developers would appear instantaneously.

>>16304028

https://www.unz.com/isteve/if-liberals-undermine-community-and-conservatives-undermine-government-who-wins/

>Conservatives now are telling us that we must curtail government, cut government spending, cut government powers, reduce government personnel for the sake of making individuals more free.

>“Liberals, on the other hand, are still telling us, as they have for a long, long time, that in order to make individuals free, we must destroy communities. By communities I mean villages. Ghettos and cities. Ethnic groupings. Religious groupings. Anything which is segregated. We must destroy them. So that all individuals would be, if possible, identical. Including boys and girls.

>“But the area of political action … in which you have government, individuals … three others: voluntary associations (which I’ll say no more about), corporations and communities. And if the liberals destroy communities for the sake of the individual, and the conservatives destroy the government for the sake of individuals, you’re going to have an area of political action in which irresponsible, immensely powerful corporations are engaged in opposition to individuals who are socially naked and defenseless.”

ifonlyyouknewhowbadthingsreallyare.jpg

at this point, bet against AIDS

>>16303463

I want an edit of the fat capitalist throwing money while watching.

>>16303567

I work at a bank, and my facebook shitposting isn't hardly filtered compared to posting here.

Still have my job.

Faggot.

Let them unionize. The west barely makes anything worth playing, and who gives a fuck if bad games get delayed even further and cost more for non-pirates because devs are striking. It's only going to hasten the collapse of the market.

Isn't that what people want?

>>16303268

Why do you talk to people like that?

>>16304133

To add into this in Michigan we voted for the right to choose, which led to shitload of paid protests.

But, when we had a Union for Caretakers that collected $40 every check, and had no office, staff or lawyers, its hard to make an argument why people can't choose to not be in a Union.

>>16302959

I was about to ask, why the hell they didn't automate the moshi beating part already

But then i noticed, that's integral part of the business

There's a little show on that

>>16302940

I live in Europe and I don't know of any union for IT.

>>16304166

post more leftycat

>games will take more money to make

>devs will make less with dues to union mafia

Sounds like a win-win. The worse companies get unionized and as a result their games are somehow worse then even now. Also the faggots who make the shit games are hurt because these jewish unions will milk them dry.

>>16303967

>>16303993

But Anthem and FO76 DID NOT FAIL. You might want very badly to believe that they did, but they did not. Underperforming compared to the absurd hype does not equal a failure. Both were profitable and accomplished what they were meant to accomplish, so the companies will continue doing that exact same thing.

Your problem is that you're so fucking eager to virtue signal about how much you hate fags and nigs and trannies that you'll happily accept ANYTHING so long as its bereft of any hint of them. But the list has gotten so small that you have to dig pretty deep into the garbage heap to find one that fits that increasingly narrow requirement. It's exactly like people who voted for Trump for virtue-signaling reasons because he's a complete misogynist racist bigot. They wanted so badly to get those things that they willfully elected an incompetent, openly corrupt dumpster-fire. You would rather eat actual dog shit than food, just because all your food options have been dusted with some rainbow sprinkles.

>>16304039

>Conservatives now are telling us that we must curtail government, cut government spending, cut government powers

They can tell you whatever they hell they want, but you'd have to be a complete fucking retard to not realize they're always doing the opposite.

>>16304248

Fuck off, we've been winning since GG and Trump and now we've continued winning with NZ. You're kvetching is proof enough of that. There''s nothing you can do to stop us.

>>16303241

They're an excellent threat to levy against your employer in exchange for better treatment. They are not, however, a desirable option by any means. Most employers don't have a high opinion of employees, and sometimes rightly believe that the employees will make a terrible decision to punish the employer.

Never shoot yourself in the foot for no reason.

>>16304248

Bullshit. Fallout 76 going F2P and being played be very few people shows it's a failure. Anthem only made $100 million when that probably doesn't even cover the marketing costs, let alone the production costs. They're both fucking failures and you have nothing to substantiate that they aren't.

Failout 76 was such a disaster that the rumor is that it finally caused Bethesda to consider changing engines for future projects, that says something.

>>16304298

>Bethesda

>changing engines

Citationate me up anon

>>16304263

>start threatening to unionize

>employer starts their shilling campaign

>turns into serious battle for hearts and minds

>then employer starts making concessions to stop

>pull away from organizing because you got leverage

>employer sees their concessions worked

>fire everyone who was key to the organizing effort on bullshit charges

>revoke all concessions

>bring in permatemps or new employees and load them up with brownpills about unions from Berman-funded sources

>nothing changes in the end

>the company stays the same

>you're out of a job

Yep, great idea anon

>>16304260

>since GG and Trump

>Trump

>>16304133

reddit is full of low-iq ameritards, hm?

>>16304402

>reddit is full of low-iq ameritards, hm?

>

>reddit spacing.

super faggot.

>>16304248

They did fail, but they also made a profit. They didn't underperform compared to the absurd hype (absurd hype over Anthem? From where?) They underperformed compared to their publishers and developers expectations. And most importantly their investors expectations.

People don't invest hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a 5% profit. There's no point, other much more profitable things exist to invest in. They invest to make big bucks. Shareholders expect these companies to make massive profits on these games. That's why they talk up the ten year plan shite. Plenty of games have made a profit but been considered failures and killed their franchises. One of the Nip companies was really bad for this about 5 years ago, I think it was Capcom? These games made a profit, but you can bet your arse people got fired over it.

Both of these games absolutely DID NOT accomplish what they were meant to accomplish. Their publishers and developers consider them failures. And you can bet your ass the investors do too. Both were meant to be a platform for future microtransaction revenue streams spanning years. They were designed to be money printers where you feed in reskinned asset flips and it spits out millions. They failed miserably at this and also hurt the reputation of both the brand as a whole, the developers brand, and the publishers brand. The next time Bethesda wants to make a Fallout game they will have to deal with a lot of people thinking "is this going to be another shitepile?" Their surefire franchise cash cow has been hamstrung. Same with anything Bioware makes. It's the reason why The Last Jedi made money, but Solo didn't. The repercussions of these games wont be felt for a few years still.

EA said Mass Effect Andromeda was profitable. Then they said they would basically cancel the series for a good long while. Because it aint about being profitable or not. There's a lot more to consider.

The companies may continue doing the exact same thing, but that's because they are used to getting away with this shit and aren't aware enough to realise the tide has turned. Or they may not, and move on to some other scam instead. But don't kid yourself about these games. They are massive dissapointments.

>>16303484

You forgot about the part where the compound's full of batshit cultists that are planning on committing mass suicide and they plan on dragging their kids into it. America's the land of the free, not the land of anarchy.

>>16304232

you mean /trannycat/

>>16302881

Let them unionize. I play very few western games and pay for even less as is. Maybe if it becomes bad enough even normalfags will realize just how fucked it is and stop funding it.

>>16304248

You smell like a commie.

>>16304565

>you will never spend your days shooting commies in the head after they've been hung just to make sure they're dead

Reality is cruel.

>>16304166

Better art, more pictures AND dubs.

Even in presentation, /leftypol/ gets cucked.

>>16304545

i saw this originally in the first meme war, it still gets my dick rock hard. killing commies is my fetish. don't shame me.

How will unions change how game devs act?

How can they actually become more corrupt than they already are?

>>16304557

lol, now that you mention most the devs i actually like are japaniggers, they just have western publishers.

whoever said forgive them for they know not what they do was a nigger….was that jesus? i think jesus was wrong. fight me. lol

>>16304626

it won't, it will just make them worse.

all unionization will do is increase the price of games and inject EVEN MORE leftist/liberal dogshit agenda into the games.

it will lead to a complete industry collapse. Unionization only really works in industries will invariable demand curves, and even then globalization has done much assraping. With something as disposable as BIDEOGAMES, lol, they'll all be fired immediately.

>>16304626

nothing will change except games become more expensive because the unions have to skim off the top to pay for the added overhead and organizational costs. that's the point and why unions are fucking retarded in 2019. there's hundreds and hundreds of pages of worker protection laws. like a lot of things the unions have severed their purpose and need to fuck off.

let me ask you this, will there ever be enough worker protections and benefits? if so then when? what do you expect to come of the unions when we've reached that point, if not already?

regardless, unions work very VERY hard to stop workers from having a choice of joining a union, i think a lot of people would have less of a problem if you had a choice of joining the union or not and give the companies the choice to hire union workers or not, if unions can't attract enough workers to dry up the pool of available people in that sector then the companies are probably paying about right.

it's immoral to use government regulation to freeze people out of the job if they don't join your stupid little club.

>>16304638

lol, really only works in commodities because commodities are commodities and people literally have little to no choice in using your product or not…prices are determined by what people can afford as opposed to what the demand is…don't you think bringing actual economics into it is a bit much for people who support unions?

>>16304644

>it's immoral to use government regulation to freeze people out of the job if they don't join your stupid little club.

they have to do this, otherwise the pickett line is broke. The whole point of a union is to strike and starve your employer of labor.

this no longer works because the entire planet is now a marketplace in 2019.

>>16304664

>i don't understand what I'm talking about

invariable demand means the consumer has no choice regardless of circumstance, as you say, they have to buy.

>>16304626

It will accelerate the end of the AAA video game industry by making them both more expensive and more corrupt, which is why anons on /v/ should embrace it. Game devs being dumb enough to unionize means the video game industry is one step closer to crashing and returning better than ever.

Since when were they ionized?

>>16304689

>accelerationism

Shiggy diggy

We should also let the gubmint tax us more because it will eventually become unbearable and start a serious backlash.

>>16304705

We should. Also, flood all of the West with as many subhumans as possible.

Normalfags will only learn when you pretty much beat this shit into them, and the sooner we do it the higher the chance we can fix things afterwards.

>>16303975

>>16303740

Those workers are all SJWs. If you had only SJWs working for you, you too would simply work them to death.

>>16304063

This. Not only for games. Everything.

>>16304672

>The whole point of a union is to strike and starve your employer of labor

And that is why all unions are cancer and must be eliminated.

>>16304748

>And that is why all unions are cancer and must be eliminated.

Need I remind you of (((who))) owns the businesses in need of strikes?

>>16304773

>I don't understand wanting to make money

Do you know the purpose of money? Sure, it's not moral and results in the degradation of the hobby, but if something is profitable, you'll have people jump on it. Why do you think there's millions of pajeet programmers that can't fucking code?

>>16304773

Some people have talent but no passion. Doesn't it make sense to use that talent to make money for fueling your passion in other things?

>>16302959

Don't they have guilds or something like that? I agree unions are cancer, but a place people of the same industry can help eachother or work together to fight for their rights shouldn't be bad.

>>16304773

The majority of the greatest works of art were done for money.

>>16302899

No, it's not. Unions are just a method of subversion, nothing more. As soon as the union achieves its goals, it should be dissolved, with the implicit threat to the company that it will happen again if they go back on their agreement. But that doesn't happen because it was never the intent of the union bosses. So what happens? The bosses take the place of middle management. They usually make things better for themselves, but they could also easily be subverted by the company, if they cared to do so. And then what? You have a bunch of unambitious drones – these are the only people who join unions, because people who want higher pay or more responsibility won't get it by joining a union – led willingly by the nose by their magnanimous union bosses who will definitely always fight for them and never take bribes from executives to tell their shee – I mean colleagues that there are no more raises or promotions available this year.

Any programmer with a sense of slef-worth doesn't go into games. It's just not worth it, and this is coming from a guy who wanted to make games since he could remember. It's better to get a comfortable and well-paying job in another industry and make games on your own.

>>16303764

Strikes are movements which are legitimately formed by and for the people. From the outset, there is a clear set of demands that must be met, and once they are, everyone goes back to work. Unions are simply a way for morons to be tricked in to thinking they're making a difference from themselves when really they just handed the leash to someone else. This is why strikebreakers were a thing.

>>16302904

>If everyone work for the only corporation

>Then we have achieve true communism

<Everyone should work for Google

>>16304312

And now we know what arguments (((You))) will use

>>16304426

They subscribe to the idea of bigger profit each year and like any ponzi scheme its unsustainable

Even if the whole world buyed their games,they would fund SpaceX to find aliens to sell games to

>>16304644

Prices go up,quality goes down ,and I dont pay anyway

It used to be I couldn"t afford it but now it's political,and pirates work way better than denuvo

gimped versions,its a fucking psychological scam,I would download a car if I could

>>16304875

If you use Google or Chrome you actually do

If something is free it means it profits off you

A company that provides free internet wouldn't surprise me with the worth of data you could gain

What's a union? Serious question

>>16305028

baby don't hurt me

>>16302881

Good. If labor unions for playtesters become a thing maybe modern games won't be bug-riddled piles of steaming shit

>>16305076

There can't be a union for consumers you know

>>16305083

getting consumers to playtest games through public betas is absolutely cancerous. Professional playtesters are a big chunk of the reason why old games were better. If labor unions can protect that industry then every anon here who enjoys games free of bugs should be supporting them

So many posts no one will notice mine!!!!!!!!!

BENIS :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>16305142

Bagina.

>>16302881

>Unionization in Hollywood made thing worse as it is.

Not really.

It's notoriously hilarious.

The various workers of Hollywood (cameramen, set makers, etc…) unionized and it worked for them as you can't really "make" anything without them especially since all the ones that were good at their jobs are in corporations as they give the certifications that are necessary to work on big productions (societies/guilds etc… that are unions by another name), then the writers (source of all the pozz) unionized, they asked for rises and more reconnaissance, producers went "no, fuck you" writers went on strike, producer kept making movies out of pure spite.

And realized that even without writers they were still making a mint.

This is the reason why so many movies past mid-2000 are such a mess and the writing and dialogs look like shit made by interns… because they are. But if we're talking about big budget entertainment "park ride" movies… nobody really gives a fuck.

All in all Hollywood never made as much money than during that period and a lot of the largely pozz (and brain) free big movies were made.

Now if the same thing happens in vidya… it's gonna be a very good thing.

Whinny leftist faggots are allowed to promote any cause by their wealthy patrons EXCEPT actual "social justice" (the thing were you don't get to treat your workers as wage slaves) that's the minute they get shown the door.

In fact the whole thing about the greeno/homo/feminism is that it's cause designed specially to drain away the energy of the left in divisive shit that is completely pointless to make sure they don't have time to ask for workers to be paid decently (and is therefore financed by the generous donations of those who profit the most of paying people dirt cheap).

>>16304073

>I work at a bank, and my goybook

Seriously kill yourself.

do it.

>>16305343

I kind of want to draw more of her but there's this autist on /b/ that lusts over her and it annoys me.

>268 posts for something with no source

>>16305333

>Unionizing does enable kikes though.

Fixed.

>>16305388

https://archive.fo/b5heb

The only issue I would have with them unionizing would be them fucking over people making video games for fun.

>>16305223

>All in all a lot of the 2000’s movies were largely pozz free.

Incorrect leftypol.Go back to start and do not collect $200.

>>16305473

>moves the goalposts

neck yourself

>>16305223

>"oh noes, it's all about muh id pol"

>lines up right next to the liberals and calls everyone a nazi, racist, sexist, bigot, etc

leftists are liberals

>>16302904

why are communists generally more pleasant to deal with?

>>16302881

This will only impact the west, as long as Metroid Prime 4 comes out before this kills it I don't care.

>>16302881

>barely competitive westcuck devs unionize

>all small barely decent studios in the west go broke

>the big bullshit megacorps like EA, ubi and activision move their operations to india, china and wherever is cheaper (they already outsource a lot to countries like brazil and argentina btw)

>western game development collapses

The only good thing is that all the parasites in the western side of the industry will have to suck dick to survive

>>16302904

Yeah, for you commiefag

>>16304581

You can literally walk into a college campus and knife a few to death, or kill 30+ with handguns like that chingchong guy 10 years ago

>>16306064

Very cool, 4chan. Good post!

>>16303665

>suddenly only small time devs are making games

>only games like Kenshi and Bannerlord that takes eons to develop will be released

So nothing has changed for me.

>>16302881

I have absolutely no sympathy for any game developer, no matter how bad their crunch is. These developers sat back and let the industry push the cancer that is digital distribution, in fact they helped push it. The industry pushed digital distribution as hard as they could, pro digital distribution articles, anti physical copy articles.

>>16306703

CD Project Red and THQN. Anons seem to like them.

>>16302961

There is a clear reason why Hitler fucking destroyed the Unions.

>>16306676

What's next, bacteria fucking?

>>16302940

Yeah, and that is why America is doing far better than any Euro country. Unions kill economies.

>>16306743

I think the implication is that each thing he bangs gets bigger and he gets smaller, so there's probably at least a flea or something he could get involved with before bacteria starts looking attractive for him.

These fucking retards don't understand that they cannot do that and succeed. It's not like building shit or moving cargo, you can literally pick up the phone and have a team of pajeets develop a game in india.

>>16303568

>We can talk freely, you can't.

Lol we can talk freely just like you. Do you muricans even have anything like GDPR?

>>16304426

>the tide has turned

You're fucking delusional. Exactly like that homeless guy on the street corner with the sign saying that the End of The World is coming tomorrow. Despite that it's been "tomorrow" every day for years, he's still convinced that it's just about to happen! Or, to make it more topical, just like your retard /pol/ buddies that are just waiting with baited breath for the DOTR to hit and for the entire world to just pop into sunshine and candy and utopia for all of those who are left.

>>16302881

ITT: Almost no one understands the purpose of a union…Try working at most private sector jobs without one…you'll have a good ol time

>>16307152

>Try working at most private sector jobs without one…you'll have a good ol time

I do actually. I get paid $16 (more than double minimum wage in my area) an hour to do an absurdly easy entry level job because normans hate measuring or anything that involves numbers or thinking, they are also terrified of any kind of machine or responsibility.

>>16307116

>like your retard /pol/ buddies that are just waiting with baited breath for the DOTR to hit

Find, when the day of the rope comes and we cleanse the world, you're not getting invited to the barbeque afterwards.

>>16307116

>hurr durr there was no giant earthquake in cali for years, so the san andreas fault does not exist.

>>16307170

I'm still not positive that this is going to result in indie devs getting reamed. Unions can't infest an entire industry overnight due to their very nature, and they can usually only get a foot in the door when there are ten or more employees in a given workplace. Anything less than that and it's usually not worth the time or effort to bust up a perfectly good workplace.

Unionization (involving ACTUAL STRIKES) will likely produce better games via workers rolling back some of the most abusive policies of publishers/producers, such as unrealistic deadlines, forcing people to live out of the office, and most importantly allowing some asshole in a suit to make critical game design decisions. Suck more boss cock, Amerifat bootlicker.

>>16308089

Hope springs eternal.

>>16307152

tfw owner of company

tfw employees nearly murder a union dick after he pissed them off

Turns out not being a shitty fucking person goes a long way. Krupp > Union any day of the week.

>>16308089

>Unionization (involving ACTUAL STRIKES)

You commies are still living in the 19th century. Gamedev is not the same as mining with pickaxes, it's a skilled job. Nobody would go without pay to get a raise (which is what happens with a strike, no work = no pay), you find a job elsewhere instead.

>>16302896

>>16302902

Oh god these are the worst excuses by smarmy assholes.

I also keep hearing "guess what, 90% of the NES library was shit, we just remember the good parts!". Nah, the industry today is far different, you don't get as many games made because it's much more expensive for starters.

>>16303219

Comparatively to the rest of the world.

>>16309077

In my country, if an union organizes a strike the union pays the wages of those involved.¨If the majority of workers go on strike the company loses money and that is then used as leverage to increase pays since the loss of getting no work done (even if for a short time) outweighs the loss of increasing wages.

>>16305907

Because they are weak so they have to rely on social manipulation and dick sucking to get by instead of their own merit.

>>16302960

You need to look into Hollywood union practices, they have a system tailor made to keep people who are too poor out as a form of gatekeeping against indie competition.

Every horror story you have read or heard about involving SJWs and Hipster takeovers will be backed by the law once they have founded a union to enforce a defecto monopoly.

Here's a small bit of facts for anyone who doesn't know.

Videogame programmers are the lowest skill requirement programmers out there. Most videogame "programmers" don't actually know how to code, they only know some scripting language that works in Unity or UE4 or whatever. Because videogame programming is the least paid out of all programming jobs, and has been for a long time. So any programmer with enough skill to do more than just videogames will go do a higher paying job instead.

Used to be back in the 80s and even the 90s, programmers got into videogame programming when they were young because they had fun making small games while in school, and wanted to do that on a larger scale. They didn't exactly get into it to get rich. Then videogaming grew in the 90's to be a massive industry and they went more corporate. And since every other small time game dev programmer wasn't making much money, they could offer peanuts and have game programmers accept it.

This is on par with McDonalds register monkeys demanding unions and $15 an hour wages.

>>16309191

-t bumhurt IT monkey

Shit guys, why do you think there's so many independent devs these days?

And I'm talking actually independent, no clique shit

well I don't know, maybe unionizing would allow the workers to receive better pay and working conditions. maybe it will allow niggers to extort the corporations that abuse them. either way, it causes damage to the likes of EA and Ubisoft and Activision, so why shouldn't I be in favor of it?

>>16309230

Activision is essentially already dead at this point.

>>16309565

>using (((steam)))

You are the problem.

>>16309565

>I always support the moding scene on steam.

Whoa fucker, hold up. Don't support workshop, that shit's a way bigger cancer than the potentiality of paid mods.

>>16309591

The funny thing is that people forget.

The only thing zionists hate more than goyim?

Zionists doing better than them.

>>16309591

If you had ever bothered to read Mein Kampf, you'd know that Hitler explicitly supported unions as long as the state remained hostile to the workers, and only saw them as unnecessary when the worker's state had already been achieved.

>>16304426

The guy you are talking to must be a fucking commie. NIGGA both games where a complete and absolute failure under any critical perspective, and mostly financial. They cost EA billions by dropping EA stock price, and driving away investor money, and a few more billions on project future profits, in fact, EA got really hard fucked and you can quickly google how much it hurt the company.

For clarification even commercial and financial hits that did NOT hit EA's targets, studios are either broken up, closed and series are canned, for almost ever. I hope these SJW companies get killed mercilessly by EA, and people fired, if they do that I will invest into the company, out of spite.

>>16309608

>if you don't like x then you must like y!

Fuck off you stupid nigger.

>>16302881

How could it get worse? Game publishers are using AI to sell MTX-focused "experiences", assets are generated or farmed out to 3rd worlders and they're pushing for the concept of not even owning games anymore.

I don't see how it could get worse. I think we've hit rock bottom.

>>16304210

Are you mistaking unions for corporations?

>>16309621

Adolf Hitler is dead and the Jews won. Hateful suspicion of (((unions))) is the only correct choice left to make. If you had read Mein Kampf, then you would also know Adolf Hitler physically observed an overwhelming majority of unions in the service of Communist agitation. His theory of the ideal union vs. hard reality is self evident and impossible to reasonably deny.

>>16309907

The point is that the concept of a union itself isn't inherently communist, but they became subverted by communists after the fact. It's a worthwhile distinction to make, but apparently it's too hard of a concept for niggers like you to grasp.

>>16309895

They're the same thing, but you pay the union the money that the corporation gives you for the privilege of working.

>>16309907

I wish Hitler was alive and well so that i could suck on his nipples

>>16311802

More developers are worthless dead weight that can be easily replaced than ever before.

>>16304509

nigger, he's talking about Waco, not Jone's Town.

>>16312023

>tornigger defending communistic ideals

go back to sucking dick, your BO has some tips for you

>>>/leftypol/

>>16311698

>Unions are exactly communism. Giving rights to workers makes them want more rights and less obligations, culminating in them demanding only rights and no obligations at all. All current unions are like this. All former unions turned out like this. Every single worker integrating any of the current unions demands only rights, but avoids any obligations, to the point that we have workers that are openly attacking their own customers.

>

>Unions are nothing more than communism applied to the private sector.

As a member of a private sector union I can tell you that this is bullshit.

My local just changed its contract last year, and it was filled with language changes that benefited the companies and contractors that hire from our union hall – wage reductions for various levels of foremen and supervisors and a decrease in shift differential pay for second and third shifts. We also gave up an increased pay raise in our checks to send more money to our training programs, so our members can get certs more easily.

This was done because of a boom in construction work in our area that's projected to continue for a number of years. We hold an 80% marketshare of work in our area, and want to keep it that way. This means preventing rat contractors from growing, which is done by making sure companies that are signatory with us remain the best in the area. The best way to squash nonunion competition is to deliver higher quality work at better prices, and that's exactly what we're doing. All the big jobs in my area still go to union contractors, and the rat shops get the scraps.

Again: we're a private sector union, and we're thriving – proof that collective bargaining and worker organization are not only products of free market capitalism, but also benefit from them.

>>16312146

May you never contrast with your union's administration or disagree with any of their policies

>>16312153

>May you never contrast with your union's administration or disagree with any of their policies

Every member is free to do so. The policies and administration can also be changed at any time. This is the purpose of union meetings.

In fact, we're having e-board elections next month.

>>16312160

Better than I expected

I’d rather be a slave to capitalist suits than a slave to socialist stooges. Socialism may have the fastest and most effective way of freeing the worker from the pangs of labor by taxing everyone to death, but how many people want to really live like that? Even China, arguably the race best naturally suited to Communism due to thousands of years of cultivating a culture for making bug men, is still among the top two most materialist races on the planet and takes “Get profit at any cost.” more literally than the USA. Capitalism is just better.

Who else waiting for the videogame crash 2.0?

>>16315796

it will never happen, there are no physical copies to bury

>>16303681

Wait, there's unions that actually let employees max at minimum wage? When did they get that bad? People actually pay for that? (I work for $2 above minimum wage at my store. No benefits, but being even a little bit means I can save more. Unions in general seem shit for any job you don't plan on keeping long-term.)

Let this shitty burger politics thread die.

>>16321535

Take a fucking guess by the context of the post you autist

>>16303568

>We can talk freely, you can't.

The demographic situation in the US and Canada is worse than Europe.

t. Canadian

>>16321167

Should this be read as "I am proud to attach myself to this and take credit for it if it succeeds"?

>>16307856

As long as Unity and Unreal are free it's gonna be pretty hard to stop indies from making games. The only other bottleneck would be getting Steam to unionize so that you have to join the union to sell games. That's also unlikely, but Im so pessimistic about this shit I could see any of that and worse happening in the next 4 years.

>>16312045

You're a fucking retard.

>You want to fire Tyrone, because he is a lazy good for nothing nigger?

<We sue you for racism

<You win?

<Go through this extreme amount of red tape.

>You want to fire Barbie the bimbo thot, because she's too busy sucking cock and instagramming about it on her iphone to actually do any work?

<We'll sue you for sexism

<You win?

<Go through this extreme amount of red tape.

Unions practically prevent you from firing the most lazy and unproductive elements of your workforce, thereby preventing you from maximizing profits and productivity. Nazisim, in this facet, is about attempting to strike a nigh-perfect pivot between the corporation and the employee in terms of rights, as it should be.

>>16302904

>(1) and done post caused such a surge of knee jerk responses and butthurt

>>16328552

Source: My ass

>>16330391

What's the culture shock like every time you come out from under your rock?