409e2d No.16300188
>take genre about variety of generals mowing down hoards of enemies with a strategic battle going on at the same time
>genre has a reputation for easily slapping on a license and making it work decently enough
>combine it with series about heroic units mowing down hoards of enemies and lots of well loved characters
This should be easy money
>focus almost exclusively on two of the shittiest games in the series, avoiding fan favorites
>only a handful of movesets
>even with cloning there are very few playable characters
>"fan service" costume destruction that actually makes characters show less skin
>DLC up the ass
4678cc No.16300202
The problem with "easy money" is how it encourages bare-minimum effort. After all, it's easy money, why work at all?
138a23 No.16300305
>>16300188
The thing is good games come from passionate devs, When the suits come out and say make this brain dead game in a genre you don't give two shit's about, The devs tend to just want it over and done with so they can do something they like.
2114c8 No.16300327
>>16300202
Good post. I wholly agree - the easier it is to make money on a game, the more likely it is to be mediocre or outright bad. Take Madden for a painfully easy example - every PS2 game was almost exactly identical, to the point that seeing gameplay footage is not enough to make different entries distinguishable from one another. The same is true for 7th and 8th gens. Why put in more effort than necessary when normalfags, niggers and chads will buy it every year regardless? They even complain about how samey the games have been, but they still happily shell out hundreds of dollars (when you account for microtransactions and DLC) every single year.
51aa7e No.16300337
Reminder that this cunt, and the people that pushed her up in the company, ruined Fire Emblem Awakening, Fates, and the musou game.
5655a3 No.16300350
It's funny how Zelda: Hyrule Warriors got that right but the game with a bunch of characters that use swords doesn't. I guess Fire Emblem isn't meant to branch out since they even fuck up crossovers.
138a23 No.16300368
>>16300350
The censored translation just adds salt to the wound, I wish tree-house would die already.
accf9a No.16300374
Imagine what could have been.
52bdb6 No.16300385
this video is a good summary
c8b701 No.16300386
>>16300350
>>16300374
Even the character design philosophies are shallow.
52bdb6 No.16300389
>>16300386
to be fair, SMT is a different franchise entirely from Persona.
ab62b6 No.16300397
>>16300337
>literally uses her position to casualize an entire franchise
>the fucking gacha has better writing, and coincidentally she has no direct involvement
>Three Houses will be another forgettable piss easy game full of one-note characters and indescribably aggravating dialogue because of her
c24622 No.16300409
All they needed is a much smaller, livelier world and more worthwhile shit to do instead of needless fluff. An actual story would have helped, but I could live without it. The engine itself is by far the best any open world game has ever had, but it's still empty and fucking boring, like any other open world game.
138a23 No.16300418
>>16300397
Sadly nothing can be done unless it affects sales.
c8b701 No.16300419
>>16300389
I know, but it was billed as an SMT-meets-FE sort of game, and the (very few) Atlus references (like the Hee-Ho Mart) only rub salt on the wound, so I judge it as one. Man, even the Fire Emblem part of the crossover was disappointing. Nothing but Marthwakening save for apparently one cameo from Illyana.
You know, the producer of that shitshow said in an interview this TMS was meant to start a whole franchise of "SMT-crossover" games. At least the game's failure means that Atlus won't try this again. Hopefully.
51aa7e No.16300427
>>16300397
Worst part? Awakening and Fates are now the most well known games in the series where their shit MCs are constantly plastered on other games that reference them. It's not like Fire Emblem was known for great writing, but these characters are the bottom of the barrel. Like who actually gives a shit about Chrome?
c8b701 No.16300429
>>16300427
No-one gives a shit about Chrome. They only care about waifuing his daughter.
52bdb6 No.16300438
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16300419
I blame Intelligent Systems and Nintendo more than I do Atlus for that (call it bias and the fact that Nintendo seems like they would exert control over that), but they still get part of the blame from me
The few retards who talk about the game, as well as any places I still go to praise the gameplay and music, but the characters, story and censorship as well as its whole general premise with being FE idol shit or whatever it fucking was was trash
I can't say anything from personal experience with that game though because I don't own a Wii U
All I remember was seeing embed related years ago and knowing that the game wouldn't be for me.
>>16300427
At least FE7 and its characters is still very well-known and can contend quite well with those cancerous abominations in terms of popularity with the fanbase.
I don't play that awful gacha game, but I hear that Lyn, Nino and other FE7 characters win or place extremely high in the popularity polls constantly
9f53f7 No.16300441
>>16300419
>At least the game's failure means that Atlus won't try this again. Hopefully.
They are already fucking up mainline SMT with this shit. It's going to get worse with SMT5.
5a3987 No.16300445
>>16300386
Stop posting this shitty meme. This image sucks because it's comparing the design philosophies of two different artists and trying to push the message that one's philosophy indicative of the company as a whole. It's simply dishonest and shouldn't be posted ever.
a4de4e No.16300447
7d058c No.16300454
All they had to do was port 012 to PC and PS4 with some touched up graphics. Instead we get this shit
c8b701 No.16300480
>>16300445
I only really meant to use it to compare the design philosophies of the game and SMT proper, but you can't deny that ever since Persona 3 or so, there's been a dramatic shift in presentation for Atlus.
af8e0d No.16300505
>>16300188
>musou
>shouldn't have been bad
The name told you it was bad though.
ab62b6 No.16300507
>>16300427
>Seven FE Smash reps
>Three are from Awakening alone
>Fates is praised for it's support dialogue and characterization
Just for a moment I'd like Intelligent Systems to pretend like Marth wasn't the only thing before Awakening.
52bdb6 No.16300520
>>16300507
I'm still upset about Hector not getting into Smash
3b9a00 No.16300534
SoV is my favourite FE. Judge me all you want, I had fun and it made me happy.
9f53f7 No.16300539
>>16300480
The current SMT team is divided into two groups, one wants a classic SMT experience and another otaku pandering shit.
http://archive.vn/AC2YG#selection-307.0-307.42
fe64ec No.16300567
>>16300534
A good remake of Gaiden is fine. Odd to see as a favorite but at least its not shit like Awakening or Fates
What did you like about it?
f25d95 No.16300589
>>16300188 (checked)
Going from Morrowind, to…this.
It's fucking staggering.
c8b701 No.16300599
>>16300539
Well, that would explain a lot.
7ffe42 No.16300643
>>16300589
All because casuals
>Don't like reading
>Don't like dice roll combat
>Don't like listening to directions
>Don't like complex spell, armor and weapon setups (no more pauldrons lol)
But gotta have dem graffics and dem fisuxs
deb559 No.16300676
oblivion > skyrim
morrowind was actually byproduct of like trying to finish the 3 times, for me it has great ideas, hell better ideas, but Oblivion improved upon it tremendously
50a8f1 No.16300842
>>16300676
Improved upon what, exactly?
bf2647 No.16300856
>>16300188
I'll defend it in that the allies actually felt like they were worth something because you could control them.
deb559 No.16300910
>>16300842
everything?
morrowind is horrible to play these days compared to oblivion
listen those 2 fucking skills you miss from morrowind would have been super easy to implement in oblivion, but they didnt
and that beautiful strange world, well Bethesda decided generic fantasy is more important, still its garbage to play morrowind when you run around like snail and realize world is actually tiny and you are fighting against the engine every step of the way
deb559 No.16300923
basicly ideal Elder Scrolls is Morrowind world + Oblivions systems + Morrowind skills
its perfect
3fbf43 No.16300942
>>16300441
The problems with mainline are entirely different
af8e0d No.16300953
>>16300676
>>16300910
>Oblivion improved upon it tremendously
>morrowind is horrible to play these days compared to oblivion
2098aa No.16300962
>Miyamoto requested they only use pre-established Mario characters
<But lacks the same charm pre-N64 Mario had, specifically Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World or Super Mario Land 2.
<Introduces "non-Mario" elements through "things" making the game very bizarre and clash
>Miyamoto asks to have the game stand-out more from The Thousand Year Door
<Team completely removes RPG elements
<Structures the game as level or mission-based
Granted, no one decision alone would've fucked the game over, but it's the combined efforts that make for an especially salty wound.
5d34e4 No.16300974
>>16300643
>Don't like dice roll combat
Putting dice rolls to hit in an action game is simply objectively stupid. Dice rolls serve to handle things like chance to hit in games where you aren't in direct control of your character. If the player has direct control over the character, stats should be used to affect your abilities in ways that suit the game better. For example, less clumsy moves as your skills/stats improve. Dice rolls to hit when you're swinging your weapon right through an enemy in an action game is utterly retarded and that will never change no matter how much you try to deny it.
No, I'm not saying that Oblivion and Skyrim are better games, faggot.
6115e9 No.16301000
>>16300962
Youngster devs respect Miyamoto too much to call out his BS.
aa4936 No.16301040
>>16300507
>7 FE Smash reps
>Roy was a clone of Marth initially, and is still very similar
>Lucina is just Marth for babbies
>Chrom is just Roy for babbies
>Ike was initially a replacement for Roy, but has become fairly distinct in playstyle from the other reps
>4 FE reps are basically the same, with a 5th hardly escaping the same fate
>6 FE reps have a Down-B counter move
<Pokemon has 10 (ten (T E N (THREE MORE THAN THEY HAVE GAMES))) reps
<With the exception of Pichu and Pikachu, they are all reasonably distinct in mechanics and playstyle
<3 Poke reps have a Down-B counter move
<We're probably going to receive an 11th Poke rep as DLC and it'll still be better than Corrin
>We're never getting playable Lyn
2098aa No.16301054
>>16301000
That's why I'm saying it isn't inherently his fault, but also for the ineptitude of the development team. None of his suggestions were completely awfully and could've been made to work. Miyamoto himself didn't come up with-
>the god-awful sticker mechanic
>"things"
>scrapping the RPG mechanics
>scrapping partners
>level-based structure
>pacing or progression
>toads and shy guys as the only NPCs
>unrewarding overworld and combat
Only the lack-luster story is a direct result from him. What he requested is that the game be unique to set itself apart from the Thousand Year Door and that the game use pre-established Mario characters as to not confuse casual fans.
af8e0d No.16301094
>>16301000
They should take him out back and put him down.
2098aa No.16301107
>>16301094
Miyamoto is also stopping bad projects from surfacing and preventing overall bad practices. He isn't all bad or all good. Mark my words, Nintendo's quality will go down the shitter once he's dead and they'll become like EA or Disney.
40e929 No.16301111
>>16300962
Might as well post this then.
c8b701 No.16301151
>>16301040
You forgot to mention how Roy only got into Melee to shill his unreleased game. Same with Corrin.
>>16301111
>We already have Mario & Luigi for RPG mechanics, go play that if you want anything like 64 or TTYD
>We started making Color Splash we even finished Sticker Star because we were SO sure people would like it
>Sticker Star is the new standard and we're going to keep pushing the DUDE PAPER LMAO in the series future
Thank you for reminding me why I didn't buy a Switch, Quadsman.
2098aa No.16301195
>>16301164
I swear I feel a brain hemorrhage every time I see this. What's worse is the idea that there are actually people out there who like this sort of garbage.
Japan has absolute shit taste at times.
Fun Fact: Japan also has the highest autism rate in the world, that might explain it.
735960 No.16301203
>>16300923
morrowind leveling + oblivion scaling + skyrim dialogue
629188 No.16301289
>only one weapon and ninpo
>unfinished combo list, so spamming izuna drop is your only non-shit option
>made all the enemies health sponges and threw a bunch of them at once, which tanked the framerate 2 also has a shit framerate at times, but enemy health was so pathetically low you could shred them in seconds with a UT
>somehow it has worse graphics than 2 despite using a newer, better engine
>wasted plot ryu gets cursed after killing thousands of ninjas from different clans, so they could have went for a warrior within-tier game, instead ryu whips himself every chance he gets, considers marrying a homely old hag and adopting a clingy loli despite having at least four different young girls after his dick, doesn't go berserk after his father implies he's been "taking care" of the cute miko he grew up with, does away with the curse stuff in the most unsatisfying way possible
Razor's edge unJUSTed the game in terms of gameplay, framerate and graphics, but did nothing for the retarded story, what's worse is that itagaki left when the game was being developed and it sold like shit, so we might never get a fourth game or PC ports of the trilogy, not even xbone has picked up the second and third games for backwards compatibility.
b7b865 No.16301524
>>16301203
Do people like Oblivion's scaling now?
8197af No.16301549
>>16300350
>but the game with a bunch of characters that use swords doesn't
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL IT FUCKING IS
WHY CAN'T YOU PLAY AS THE MONSTERS IN FIRE EMBLEM?
ISN'T THE WHOLE POINT OF A STRATEGY GAME THE VARIETY OF UNITS AND FACTIONS TO CHOOSE?
FUCK
b136db No.16301556
>>16301524
I'm pretty sure that was a deliberate "worst of all worlds" shitpost.
b7255b No.16301569
>>16301549
It really should have been a home run, but instead they focused on just about nothing. Mosou's are easy a shit to make good, but she managed to fuck that up too which is a feat unto itself.
b136db No.16301588
>>16301549
Manaketes are a thing in most Fire Emblem games. Laguz are in the Tellius games. Awakening and Fates have shitty Manakete-like races too.
These are all "human that turns into animal" monsters, but Fire Emblem doesn't really have that many outright monster enemies except for in the Sacred Stones and most of the last bosses (usually dragons).
8cc8ab No.16301652
>>16301549
Because the whole point of it is warriors and wizards fighting each other, not monsters? You've got your tanky melee fighters, your glass cannon fighters, ranged fighters, magic users, variations of them on horses, fighters on flying mounts, etc. There's quite a lot of variety to the unit classes.
>ISN'T THE WHOLE POINT OF A STRATEGY GAME THE VARIETY OF UNITS AND FACTIONS TO CHOOSE?
No, it's the "strategy" element. Would you call chess a terrible strategy game, because it has one faction and six unit types?
a9a29d No.16301699
>>16301652
YES I WOULD
CHESS IS BORING AND GAY AND YOU'RE BORING AND GAY FOR PRETENDING TO LIKE IT
c8b701 No.16301702
>>16301549
A Monster-based Fire Emblem sounds pretty rad, not gonna lie.
>Lord who picks up Dark Magic on promotion
>An Arch Mogall advisor to be a sort of magical Jeigan
>Red and Green Tarvos for tradition's sake
>Titan promoting to Deimos would give us a axe-using tanky dark mage, which isn't seen very often in playable capacity
>Weak-ass Revenant Est who becomes a godly Tomb Lord if you train him up
>Baels to act as Armor Knights who aren't completely gimped movement-wise due to having mountain-climbing utility
>Gargoyles as flying units – maybe bring in Harpies from Tear-Ring Saga so the two can have a Peg-Knight/Wyvern Knight dynamic
>Draco-Zombie for the game's Manakete/Subhuman
There's a lot of possibilities if you dig into it.
37f2e6 No.16301891
Evolve was one. You can quote me on that, and I'll still be defending it decades from now.
e521e2 No.16301926
>>16301164
>Mix Military Strategy game set in a fantastical universe
>With fucking SMT, the Evanescence of JRPGs
>Get a shallow idolshit ripoff full of retarded animu magicc bullshit
How the fuck does that even work
722d90 No.16301952
>>16300188
Given that SFIV had been around for 8 years or so, there was no reason that SFV should have shipped as unfinished and poorly designed as it did
8cc8ab No.16301953
>>16301926
Because, when they said "SMT", what they really meant was "Persona".
9026c7 No.16301964
>>16301151
>Thank you for reminding me why I didn't buy a Switch.
No problem, anon. Though I might buy an old switch to pirate stuff on, depending on how good Rune Factory 5 looks
1b50f3 No.16302004
>>16301702
Will there be spear weilding lamias? Could include terrain types and weather temperature too. Lamia would be weak to wind due to cold but has wicked magic defense and evasion. Plus they can venom every weapon they weild with poison. They would use swords and lances. Their venom and evasion is effective against fighters and barbarians. They also can pass freely through any ground terrain that isn't water, snow, nor ice.
a602af No.16302090
>>16301195
>Japan has absolute shit taste at times
I'm pretty sure #FE sold like shit there too. Not even those idolshit-loving faggots wanted it.
>>16301702
That would be pretty rad, not enough games let you play as monsters.
>>16301151
>>16301964
If Etrian Odyssey ends up moving to Switch I might have to get one. Hopefully it'll get some more games that I actually want.
6d4531 No.16302148
>>16301289
Wonder how Itagaki is feeling at Kekmo's rape of his franchises that saved the company, from Ninja Gaiden 3 to Dead or Alive 6.
92cbeb No.16302155
>>16302148
Itagaki is himself still probably reeling from the rape NOA gave his Wii U game. They shoved it out the door with no marketing, no announcement, and stopped supporting its online mode (which I hear was pretty decent) after less than a year.
He deserves so much better. He's the kind of autist autuer /v/ could really get behind, but without being a complete joke like Kojima.
92cbeb No.16302164
>>16302155
>>16302148
Forgot my pics of Devil's Third, which is a sexier game than the recent DOA.
8050d8 No.16303072
I haven't played the game, so I don't know if it gets better later on.
The game's setting had potential to let the devs put in cool stuff. Demons invade Earth, but they're generic demons, and Hell is still interpreted to be fire and brimstone. They also chose to set the game in London (hence the name), when they could have used better settings, like Rome, Paris or even Israel. Imagine a story about aliens making contact with humans on Earth in the year 1970 (that's one year after the United States landed on the moon), but the aliens chose to make contact with Mexico or South Africa instead of the United States or the Soviet Union. An expansion called Hellgate: Tokyo was later released. They use the Christian interpretation of Hell, but choose to do nothing with it or add their own spin to it like the Darksiders series.
Examples of cool stuff they could have put in the game if they took advantage of using Christian mythology and history:
> Team up with the pope to take back Rome.
> Fight a demonically possessed pope.
> Fight a giant hell beast near a destroyed Eiffel Tower in Paris, France.
> Team up with bible heroes like Samson to fight demons.
Why borrow from mythology if you're not going to do anything with it? Imagine something borrowing heavily from Nordic or Japanese mythology, but only at a shallow level. If they weren't going to use what they were borrowing from, they should have just used monsters from many different mythologies.
This is all before even mentioning the lackluster looking gameplay.
b56ab5 No.16303109
>>16300385
>weeaboo like Stalin
795f05 No.16303112
>>16303109
hitler was a weeb
ff06a6 No.16303119
>>16302155
>>16302164
Emulation is well and all for this game, but goddamn, the multiplayer PC game is dead, but I'd pay for this to get ported, damn shame Itagaki is pretty much in the backseat playing consultant.
b56ab5 No.16303133
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16300409
There were so many things wrong with the game, but the two big things that, even as it is now, would enforce more players to play longer:
1:
>there is no permanence to your actions
>cleaning out camps is fine in the beginning, but later one when you have powerful lightning swords and rods, getting a bone club isn't worth it, so you just avoid the camp
>had the blood moon STOPPED after the defeat of Ganon, then you could go and commence a purge of all the monster camps and make a one man quest to cleanse the land
>As it stands, Tarry Town is one of the the most favored and memorable places BECAUSE it lets your efforts be shown in a way that is permanent; you're making changes to the world for the better and being a hero.
2:
>Players want to be inconvenienced
>not frustratingly so, but they want to be challenged
>they don't want to mindlessly glide over the environment, they want to cut down a tree and use it as a bridge
>they want to be restricted to their current outfit unless they rest at a bed or make a campfire, so that they can't magically swap entire sets mid battle or just to throw on the climbing gear to scale a mountain
>they want to stop and eat something real-time instead of in the menu
This deconstruction video does a perfect job showing where that game had so many ideas but just didn't DO anything with them and, in fact, gave TOO much freedom to the player.
b56ab5 No.16303153
>>16301569
It was so simple too
>Hyrule warriors lets you play as nearly every hero and villain in the series
>sells gangbusters
>FE warriors
>"oh sweet, so we'll get all the primary lords like ike and Roy and games in the series I haven't had the opportunity to play because it may or may not have ever come to the states!"
>"maybe i'll even get to play as titania, the one who taught Ike everything, and holy shit, maybe the black knight too!"
<bitch makes the entire roster awakening and fates
you damn right I mad.
b56ab5 No.16303166
>>16301000
>>16301111
QUADS AND TRIPS DEMAND I RAGE AT HOW I'LL NEVER GET MY CHAIN CHOMP PARTNER
b56ab5 No.16303178
>>16301702
>>16301549
fuck, that'd be fantastic, and the series totally has the wherewithal to pull it off believably.
d0499e No.16303194
>>16303112
Why do people keep posting this fake quote? It has no source at all. It's completely made up. I've seen it attributed to his political testament, Mein Kampf, and other speeches, but it isn't found in any of them.
It's a fake quote. He never once said that. Here's what Hitler actually said about East Asians:
>If we were to divide manking into three groups, the founders of culture, the bearers of culture, the destroyers of culture, only the Aryan could be considered as the representative of the first group. From him originate the foundations and walls of all human creation, and only the outward form and color are determinated by the changing traits of the character of the various peoples. He provides the mightiest building stones and plans for all human progress and only the execution corresponds to the nature of the varying men and races. In a few decades, for example, the entire east of Asia will possess a culture whose ultimate foundation will be Hellenic spirit and Germanic technology, just as much as in Europe. Only the outward form - in part at least - will bear the features of Asiatic character. It is not true, as some people think, that Japan adds European technology to its culture; no, European science and technology are trimmed with Japanese characteristics. The foundation of actual life is no longer the special Japanese culture, although it determines the color of life - because outwardly, in consequence of its inner difference, it is more conspicuous to the European - but the gigantic scientific-technical achievements of Europe and America; that is, of Aryan peoples. Only on the basis of these achievements can the Orient follow general human progress. They furnish the basis of the struggle for daily bread, create weapons and implements for it, and only the outward form is gradually adapted to Japanese character.
>If beginning today all further Aryan influence on Japan should stop, assuming that Europe and America should perish, Japan's present rise in science and technology might continue for a short time; but even in a few years the well would dry up, the Japanese special character would gain, but the present culture would freeze and sink back into the slumber from which it was awakened seven decades ago byt he wawve of Aryan culture. Therefore, just as the present Japanese development owes its life to Aryan origin, long ago in the gray past foreign influence and foreign spirit awwakened the Japanese culture of that time. The best proof of this is furnished by the fact of its subsequent sclerosis and total petrifaction. This can occur in a people only when the original creative racial nucleus has been lost, or if the external influence which furnished the impetus and the material for the first development in the cultural field was later lacking.
-Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 11
Please stop posting fake Hitler quotes and trying to pass them off as real, it's embarassing.
33afad No.16304179
>>16303178
It's just too bad that the FE team is too busy playing idolmaster and thinking "Fire Emblem should be more like this" and the localization team is a bunch of faggots that can't even commit to such a basic level of waifufaggotry
72e87a No.16304235
>>16300188
you know full well that the person they put in charge was gonna fuck all that shit up the second they said she was on the project.
72e87a No.16304244
>>16302090
the ost sold gangbusters tho.
f5a495 No.16304302
>>16302164
Shit like this make's me super depressed. I should see if there's any way to bring this back like MGO2, the multiplayer was pretty nutty.
b56ab5 No.16304347
>>16304179
It still lands on this bitch with too much power as the source of the festering.
69b7e9 No.16304440
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>>16300188
>publiched by kel thuzad
ec33e4 No.16307790
>>16300397
Curious. Was the gacha actually worth the mobile download?
2931f4 No.16309441
>>16308398
just ignore it anon, no one remembers it anyhow
94e034 No.16309485
>>16307790
Its a gacha game, what do you fucking think?
92b65f No.16309625
>>16300419
I'd be up for an smt x yakuza crossover.
595309 No.16309829
>>16308398
I also feel that pain, but at least Capcom has unfucked their shit with most of their serieses now. Hopefully they’ll move onto unfucking their fight games next. Marvel though? Won’t hold my breath.
c8b701 No.16313476
>>16309829
Have they? All I can think of was finally throwing the Megaman fans a bone after years of nothing.
646804 No.16313551
>>16313476
DMCV is considered good, but crapcom is still crap in my book.
2f83eb No.16316117
>>16308398
From what I've heard, the base game is an improvement from the predecessor but it's bogged down by the framerate and the Infinity Stones, as well as the ugly ass graphics.
02349b No.16318189
>>16316117
Infinite's a very odd game, I would say a case study in video game creation. From what I've also heard, MvCI's gameplay is pretty much the best MvC. I can't vouch for that, but I'll say that in my personal opinion, I think having a team of two is better than a team of three, more focus on synergy, rather than just assists, and the stone system does leave for more customization.
But, the roster, the graphics, the music, the story, the presentation, the UI, is absolutely bad. Unforgivably bad. Even the voice acting, is worse. The new voices they got for Dormammu and Ghost Rider don't hold a candle and the reprised roles that are doing the same lines feel like they just wanted to get it over with. It's a game where literally only the gameplay is good. Every single thing else is terrible.
9f1e88 No.16318287
Destiny 2
Its mostly fine now
But bungie keeps fucking up the vanilla games and i cant tell if they just suck or do it on purpose
0905f1 No.16318356
>>16303133
BOTW is absolute garbage, it's shit, it's an awful game, it's not fun, it's not magical, it's absolute shit, and will never hit the peaks of Orcarina of time.
94ba8e No.16318361
>>16301964
>Switch
I fucking bought one and regret it very much. I bought all the dumb goy acessories for Smash online and I haven't touched it outside of the 7 day free trial. It's big and not very portable. I have it for smash, and I was thinking about pirating Tree Houses for when it comes out, however it is looking like that might not be reason enough.
ab62b6 No.16318379
>>16307790
It's a gacha and it's fanservice, you've answered your own question. Only download it if you want to see characters like Lyn or Hector be relevant for a week, and then uninstall when you realize there are 6 versions of Camilla in the game with a 7th on the way.
af8e0d No.16318385
>>16318379
Camilla is best girl, so that makes sense.
b9cf39 No.16318406
>>16300507
>>Fates is praised for it's support dialogue and characterization
Well it's not like NoA Treehouse helped there, but yeah even the Japanese script is low-tier animu garbage
a5837e No.16318411
lawbreakers it was genuinely fun
62d135 No.16318429
>>16300438
What on earth makes you think Nintendo would push for idol shit while the people who make Persona wouldn't?
>>16300567
Probably them race swapping one of the villagers so that the cute blonde Pegasus knight gets blacked.
a54dc7 No.16318445
>>16318429
Have you seen the new Fire Emblems?
I would not be surprised at all.
a54dc7 No.16318450
>>16318385
>babby's first waifu
>best girl
Goddamn there must've been a rapefugee explosion I wasn't aware of or something
af8e0d No.16318460
>>16318450
>big tit oneesan
>not best girl
3f5332 No.16318553
>>16318460
Big tits are for faggots.
bcad9e No.16318591
>>16318356
>will never hit the peaks of Orcarina of time
Wanting to be like OoT is why the LoZ franchise to became so stale and boring in the first place.
>>16318411
Elaborate, I played the beta and found the zero-g mechanics made the game unbearable unless you picked a highly mobile class.
5747ac No.16318729
>sequel to a pretty good RPG
>more ambitious combat system
>Captain Diabetes a best
>lots of great ideas just shining through
<many good ideas are muddied by poor execution; for example, getting a free hit on someone for using a microaggression is good. it reward attentiveness in battle and makes the random character speech part of the game instead of ancillary to it. An announcer screaming "MICROAGGRESSION!!" to signal it is not. This would have been handled much better if the player actually had to pay attention and time it themselves.
<battles get interrupted by random events such as cars driving through or Kyle's cousin Kyle joining in to do nothing. These are funny once or twice but as a random occurrence they just drag
<special moves are flashy, sure, but kind of uninspired. In Stick of Truth casting a lightning spell involved dousing a guy in water and hooking him up to a car battery. Here it's just shooting lightning bolts out of your hand
<real time boss fights in a turn-based game. I wouldn't have minded quite so much if they didn't steal the active character's turn
<outright lying to the player; for example, the very first tool tip is that the game has no jump button. Fine and dandy until the first QTE, which is not only a jump, but poorly signaled and gives you a game over if you miss. Splitting hairs? Yeah, okay. But a missed jump could have sprung forward into a disadvantageous follow-up fight instead of death. Missed opportunity.
<runs on Ubisoft's Snowdrop Engine, making the game about flat paper cutout people take a high end machine to run when the previous game, running on Maya Game Engine, ran on a toaster. There is little-to-no visual difference
>Professor Chaos's plan is to flood the world with red legos. The fiend!
47deae No.16318831
Nights: Journey of Dreams
Making a good, fun followup to Nights Into Dreams should have been the easiest fucking thing in the world. Make the same game with new graphics, levels and bosses. Nobody expected anything else. As is, the best you can say is that the Nights levels are solid and the music is really decent.
The downsides:
- Shitty voice acting. Like seriously fucking shitty voice acting. Nights is supposed to be androgynous (because it is supposed to effectively be an avatar of the dreamer), but instead of doing one of the obvious things, like making Nights entirely silent, or making Nights voiceless until merged with the dreamer, in which case it would use that dreamer's voice, they elected to make Nights sound like a 10 year old posh British boy. The voice acting is awful, and the voice is grating. They also add an obnoxious fucking owl character for no reason.
- Terrible platforming levels in which you run through worlds with the fucking kids. Their controls are clunky, they move fucking slow, they don't have any abilities of any sort, and the levels are horrible fucking drags.
- A couple annoying vehicle gimmick levels that aren't fun.
- The graphics aren't nearly as good as they could be. The boss fights look good, and the intro cinematic is beautiful, but in-game the graphics, especially during cutscenes, are sub-PS2 fare, and still manage to get the framerate chugging in some situations. The game manages to maintain 60fps most of the time, at least.
- My Dream is boring. I thought I remembered it being funner in the original game, like the Sonic Adventure 2 Chao Garden, but there's really nothing worth doing in it.
The sad thing is that if you took platforming and vehicle levels out and got rid of all the in-game cutscenes and voices, it would be a fun little game worth at least $20. As-is, I couldn't ever recommend playing it at all unless you're downloading a 100% completion save so you can skip all the terrible stages and cutscenes.
9a13b2 No.16318984
>>16300534
I felt the same way
05ac7b No.16319008
>>16318553
>Big tits are for faggots.
Thats retarded.
636522 No.16319243
>>16318460
The only remotely good girl in nu-FE is Nono.
62d135 No.16319574
>>16318445
Yeah, they are a whole different flavour of shit from Persona.
e8a068 No.16319633
>>16318729
Anything south park is shit.
636522 No.16319693
>>16318429
You mean Gray and Clair? Have you even played it?
62d135 No.16319727
>>16319693
Yes that is why I know what happens in it.
636522 No.16320160
>>16320149
A nice retarded opinion you have there, why did you feel the need to share it? Did you even read the OP?
cc773f No.16320179
>>16300454
I am so glad this piece of shit crashed and burned.
We arent ever going to get a proper sequel to 012 though.
636522 No.16320205
>>16320188
Do you mean literally anything exclusive to a nintendo console or anything directly developed by nintendo i.e. Mario or Zelda?
636522 No.16320223
>>16320210
First thing off the top of my head is Strange Journey
7eab53 No.16320353
>>16302090
>If Etrian Odyssey ends up moving to Switch I might have to get one.
I know that pain.
b56ab5 No.16320465
>>16318591
>>16318356
OoT basically mirrored Link to the Past and made it 3d, although it made the adult link section barred off by tools and thus linear without using a glitch. However, this setup has been the framework for EVERY zelda game since.
>start game
>go to three starter dungeons to get [things]
>"thank you for collecting the [things]! Now [plot makes the world bigger]"
>go to 5 more dungeons to get things
>face final boss
>game ends
Barring Majora's Mask, ALL games after OoT follow the LttP formula. Twilight Princes even started as an outright sequel to OoT, hence everything feeling like Oot (go to forest, go to mountain, go to water, ah fuck bad stuff happens, but you got something good, now go get the 5 other things). BotW was the first game since the first that even ATTEMPTED something different, but it fell vastly short. There are so many ways to make it work RIGHT, but they just aren't there, and once you leave the plateau, the game's fun factor has basically burned out.
420801 No.16320504
>>16320465
I found BotW enjoyable but flawed, and I'm wishing very hard that they will look at it as a learning experience and actually fucking LEARN from it. BotW was a very bold experiment with a lot of problems but it's established a potential template that they can work off of for another game with significantly more polish and better mechanics and design. Healing and potions need looking at, the clothes system needs a revamp, the weapon durability thing is too divisive I didn't mind it personally but I understand people who did so they may as well throw it out and do something new, the runes were a nice feature but the entirety of the game was built on these 3 things which limited a lot, etc. etc.
So again, I hope they learn a lot from BotW, but more importantly I hope they learn the right things. It's very possible they'll recreate a lot of mistakes because "casual players liked it."
ab62b6 No.16320681
>>16320504
There's a lot BotW did right and a lot it did wrong. If this open world model becomes the new standard for the Zelda formula, I pray you're correct in your hopes. It feels like the general consensus is that BotW just needs more. More enemy variety, more NPC hubs, less ball-in-hole puzzles, and so on.
420801 No.16320720
>>16320681
Lack of enemy variety is definitely my biggest complaint. Needs proper dungeons too; shrines were a nice idea but the Divine Beasts were not dungeons and were not fun. And Hyrule did have a good amount of geographic variety but as said, it does feel like there could have been more. The weapons were rather disappointing, they came in all shapes and sizes but most of them were all exactly the same as each other with only a few exceptions. Combat could have been better, I'm not asking for Link to become Dante but he could take what he has in BotW and combine it with what you had in Twilight Princess and then you probably could have worked a fun and engaging combat system out of that.
Pretty much everything I could say about BotW is "This was nice, but it could be better." And my hope is that they make a sequel that does exactly that, using their experiences from developing BotW.
7ed219 No.16320920
Everything related to FE recently has been trash.
Give us Nintendo Wars damnit.
b56ab5 No.16320942
>>16320720
>>16320681
One thing someone came up with was for the blighted areas to actually act as armor/weapons for the Ganon troops. This would make much more dangerous to go into blighted areas, and force the player to look for the special eye to remove the blight.
Again, however, I bring up permanence and your actions actually having an effect on the world. Camps regenerating would be fine early on but soon overstay their welcome. Make it so that:
>free a sacred beast
>this removes the influence of the blood moon over the area
>no regenerating mobs in this area
>have a mechanic where the more camps you wipe out, the more people show up in the primary town as vendors
>100% corruption removal = someone showing up with some really nice item that is totally optional
Boom, you are making the towns better, the world safer, and you get fat loot at the same time.
af8e0d No.16321109
>>16320920
>Give us Nintendo Wars
With waifus.
6c9166 No.16321143
>>16321109
no with indept characters that sturggle and try to reach their goals
fuck your waifus
420801 No.16321157
>>16321143
>no with indept characters that sturggle and try to reach their goals
that are also waifus
907aa9 No.16321201
Anyhow, my pick
>>16318189
I guess the "gameplay is the only thing that matter" thing only matters when it's not from a AAA company overselling a game higher than what it's worth, then. It's so bizarre.
>>16318729
><battles get interrupted by random events such as cars driving through or Kyle's cousin Kyle joining in to do nothing. These are funny once or twice but as a random occurrence they just drag
I think Paper Mario TTYD had the right idea in that they're very varied, are tied to how many people you've got in the audience and can be avoided or mitigated if your'e attentive enough and sometimes even beneficial.
>>16318831
>- Shitty voice acting. Like seriously fucking shitty voice acting. Nights is supposed to be androgynous (because it is supposed to effectively be an avatar of the dreamer), but instead of doing one of the obvious things, like making Nights entirely silent, or making Nights voiceless until merged with the dreamer, in which case it would use that dreamer's voice, they elected to make Nights sound like a 10 year old posh British boy. The voice acting is awful, and the voice is grating. They also add an obnoxious fucking owl character for no reason.
Should've had a male and female voice synthesized together, kind of like Him.
65b019 No.16321234
>>16301952
Damnit, you stole my contribution.
The game really had no good excuse to be so shit after all the time they spent working on IV and everything prior. It's a dumpster fire that Capcucks will prop up with everything they have even though complaining about shit iterations ofgames has fixed some of Capcom's other franchises in the long run. I have no hope for VI, only that it's not V.
caafb4 No.16321274
Hector (axe) and Lynn (katana / Batojutsu) would be better than Corrin , Chrom or Roy. I understand Corrin and Roy are already made, but either of those would've been better than Chrom. Then again, Chrom is just an echo. At this point I don't want any more fire emblem or pokemon for smash.
c9eb2e No.16321366
>>16300643
>>Don't like dice roll combat
Don't defend this shit in a non turn based game. Morrowind's combat is horrible and depressingly easy to powergame.
1b50f3 No.16321817
>>16321109
There was Advance wars, which is a successor to Famicom Wars on GBA and DS. Switch would be a great system to bring Nintendo Wars back. HOWEVER do you want IS's Mary Sue to fuck that up too? Panel de Pon would most likely be fucked on Switch too because of her.
c8b701 No.16321906
>>16321143
Don't you remember the interview with IS that said that the only reason they haven't made another Advance Wars is that they don't know how to put waifus and turn it into Fire Emblem?
http://archive.is/EshpR
>"Personally, I'd love to do Advance Wars, but since it's harder to create relationships between its characters compared to Fire Emblem, I don't have a clear idea of what kind of setting it could have," Yamagami told Eurogamer
8f24ac No.16322020
>>16320920
>IS has been making nothing but trash
Better have them fuck up a good series!
49b14f No.16322202
>>16321906
Wow IS is really retarded if they can't figure that out. Sure it doesn't have the same character relationship shit FE does with the units but they could easily waifu it up with the COs, especially since they'd have to rewrite all the characters again after Days of Ruin. Guess we should be grateful they're not even competent enough to try this and fuck it up.
16c2aa No.16322316
>>16316117
>>16318189
>>16321201
Infinite's gameplay was trash and flat out didn't work even after multiple patches.
>Some combos only work on one side of the screen
>Infinity stones create bullshit interactions like Time Stone causing Captain America's crouching light punch to be an infinite one-button "blockstring"
>Single move infinites
>Certain characters like Sigma just broke and would have no hitboxes after certain sequences like getting comboed or using a level 1
All of the "hype" behind the gameplay was marketing.
9fb40c No.16322731
>>16321817
>panel de pon but a date sim
This might almost be fun. I could forgive a lot in return for a marriageable merfolk.
1b50f3 No.16323173
>>16322731
Wrong. It'll be Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates version of Tetris Attack.
1b50f3 No.16323182
>>16323173
I should emphasize. They will replace Lip and company with Fire Emblem characters.
ab62b6 No.16327648
>>16326905
I'm just waiting for Three Houses's release so every forgets their favorite waifu character for the new hotness like the shallow fans they are. FE has become so disassociated with strategy that it's almost tragic.
eb30ce No.16327654
>>16300188
Dragon Quest XI. There's a good game in there but the English translation is fucking woeful and so is the voice acting.
318d18 No.16327673
>>16303194
When I read passages like this I lament the fact that it might be true. Without an aryan spirit the magic of the world will truly be lost and as hitler describes here " The best proof of this is furnished by the fact of its subsequent sclerosis and total petrifaction. This can occur in a people only when the original creative racial nucleus has been lost"
I ponder that notion alot and sometimes think that the european race has already lost it's original creative nucleus. Everything in the modern world seems absent of mind body and soul. It's like the collective consciousness of america is bound to mestizo/african character.
bacf1e No.16327724
2dabc4 No.16328213
>>16321201
To this day I'm still peeved at how neither aeon and venus made the cut and instead got robot cop and a wrestler. At least UNIEL hasn't cucked out it's fanbase.
d0499e No.16328257
>>16327724
Are you being intentionally retarded? I've read both of those documents before, several times. Nowhere in his Last Will or his Political Testament is the fake quote of him posted here >>16303112 found.
Did you even read documents you linked, or are you just linking random shit and hoping something sticks?
Dumbass.
716af4 No.16328589
>>16320681
botw could have been an amazing game if it wasnt a shitty tech demo that looks like an indie game based on the unity engine with literally nothing interesting about it gameplay wise.
31feb6 No.16328701
>make shooty game about sharpshooty ayys
<shooty part of game is complete shit and the rest is broken to less than average
How do you fuck up something as simple as "overpowered alien weeb commies?"
bcad9e No.16329048
>>16321274
>At this point I don't want any more fire emblem or pokemon for smash
inb4 FE Three Houses and Pokemon Swrd&Shld rep announced for Smash because they gotta shill that shit somehow.
c8b701 No.16329185
>>16300454
I would prefer if they buffed EX Mode back to what it was in 2008 Dissidia though; practically nobody tries to go into EX Mode and actually use its benefits except to secure a kill via EX Burst because A. Its duration got nerfed to last barely any time at all, B. All it took was an Assist smacking you to knock you out of it, and C. EX Bursts had their damage hobbled so they're basically ONLY usable secure a kill on someone with 600 health at best.
Also do something about Sephiroth/Kuja/Jecht assists – they were almost blatantly better than everyone else save for maybe Squall and Tidus. No seriously, watch any video of 012 and name how many people use a character isn't one of the above five. Aerith's Stun bullshit is also annoying, but she was only for people who bought the demo.
>>16328213
I'm more pissed that despite saying that they absolutely NEEDED Marie, Umbrella and I think Black Dahlia playable in order to make the True Story Mode, they decided to gamble away any chance of them in favor of poll-based vote and since they've basically moved on to make Indishitable, chances are slim for the canon story to actually come to light.
It's autistic I know, caring about story in a fighting game of all things, but it really triggers me that something about a game is going to be permanently incomplete because they decided to pander. How the fuck did Beowulf even win the poll? Last I checked, everyone was shilling for Annie.
901856 No.16329235
>>16300386
At least fans are rightfully blaming Atlus for this games failure, Nintendo gave them a budget and some IPs to integrate and they made Fire Emblem X Persona, for some reason.
>>16300438
Nothing indicates that Nintendo's meddling is what made this game what it was, apart from the censorshit, you can blame NoA for that undoubtedly.