/v/ - Video Games

So it's just a more cartoony version of mineshit

>>16299444 (checked)

As far as I can tell It's basically Minecraft improved in every conceivable way.

>>16299439

Minecraft has constantly had more players than Fortnite. And Minecraft hasn't had any updates that were truly meaningful in years.

>Not a shill thread guys

>Totally organic

>>16299461

It's stupid yeah, but I really feel like this game is going to be big, very big.

I just felt like /v/ deserved to know a little about it.

Signed up for the beta, curious to say the least

>>16299773

Both.

Seems to be some kind of portrait mode for their in-game camera tool.

>>16299803

Isnt someone always kvetching about what a game uses?

>Its unity its shit

>its unreal its shit

>its c# its shit

>its not TempleOS exclusive its shit

What even is acceptable ?

Well, it certainly looks more appealing than Minecraft at any rate - but then again, that's not much of a standard to surpass. A wet fart on a cold night is more appealing than Minecraft.

>>16299803

C# is actually the same engine Minecraft Bedrock edition uses.

Because of that you can pull view distances x1000 farther than Java Minecraft with great performance. (Java is a really horrible language to use for a video game.)

Unfortunately, Bedrock edition is more of a walled garden and only really designed to extract money for Microsoft. So nobody uses it.

>>16299875

I really hope it hurts Minecraft. Maybe it''l mop up some of MC split community.

>>16299431

>game is not out yet

Then there's nothing to make a thread about, isn't there?

>>16299909

>Bedrock edition is more of a walled garden and only really designed to extract money for Microsoft. So nobody uses it.

It's also glitchy as hell; You can fall all the way through the world if you look at a block wrong. It's also largely useless to the technical community because redstone functions completely differently and inconsistently.

>>16299952

It was the Riot/Tencent thing afaik.

>>16299952

>cubeworld

Made by one nobody and his gf who took the money and ran.

This is a group of seasoned Devs and seems to have a more organized development.

You obviously know nothing about Cubeworld and didn't read what I wrote.

>>16299962

This is what concerns me the most.

>>16299839

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>>16299825

All me sponsored by nordvpn

This has a chance to be revolutionary for multiplayer servers, but I feel it's going to fall WELL short of the devs' expectations. They want it to be some gigantic community of thousands of people all playing together all at once, but it's just never going to happen, because of children and griefers (almost always the same thing).

For example:

>Looks like they are adding the equivalent of MCedit to the game with the ability to copy and paste prefabbed structures

only made me think "great, so now instead of having to build giant dicks or swastikas everywhere one at a time, some retard only has to build it once and then copy/paste spam it fucking everywhere". The idea that the game might be FTP is even worse. Giant servers with lots and lots of people are either so rigid that you can't really do anything (adventure-themed maps or places where you can only build in specific tiny areas and everywhere else everything is indestructable) or they're complete and utter chaos. Hypixel is the former where it's not even really Minecraft at all; it's just a collection of minigames based upon Minecraft. Neither of these types appeal much to the older Minecraft crowd, and the kids will just play this for a few weeks and then run off to the next FOTM game. The most hardcore players will prefer to do what they always did (and what they are still doing with Minecraft) which is play with maybe a dozen or so people at most on a friendly whitelisted server to avoid the chaos and bullshit of inviting literally anyone who can just blow the shit out of everyone's hard work in five minutes and steal everyone's diamonds.

That leaves me wondering exactly what this game is going to be like. Because if it's going to have fully-destructable terrain, then expect it to end up fully-destructed extremely quickly after it starts. But if it's not, and you can only build structures and play minigames, it's just a more optimized Hypixel, and again: not at all like the real Minecraft. All this talk about story and bosses and shit make it seem like this is going to be less a sandbox and more of an MMORPG based on Minecraft's blocky aesthetics, which is utterly fucking horrible.

Also, the "14 million players" is disingenuous. Hypixel has had a total of 14 million unique logins since its inception. It certainly doesn't have anywhere close to that number playing it currently.

It looks better than Minecraft, but still a far cry from what an ideal Minecraft game could be.

>>16299450

>And Minecraft hasn't had any updates that were truly meaningful in years.

Fracturing the modding community every year like clockwork is pretty fucking meaningful

The only thing they have to do is give proper modder tools so the autism can flow unconstrained.

The second they get Thaumcraft-tier modding going for their game, Minecraft becomes history.

>>16300436

You're in no place to call someone autistic when you can't realize /v/ is more than one person, and has differing opinions on almost everything.

>>16299431

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>>16299438

Concept is fine but the aesthetic is shit, looks like a generic "high quality" minecraft texturepack

Doesnt have the charm

>sever code being handled in Java

Was this really necessary?

>>16299767

That's not even the worst part, its BROWN elves

>>16299767

Looking at this again it's the deviant art OC fucker from DA2. The resemblance is uncanny.

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Fenris

>>16313289

>some ONE is always complaining

>adhd anon interprets it as /v/ is one person

How do i explain this to you with simple language?

"Someone" is referencing a single person doing something.

"Everyone" would mean what you think someone means.

Try taking english classes before posting online so you dont look like a retard.

>>16299444

People said that Terraria was just a 2d version of minecraft, look how successful that game became.

Even a good chunk of /v/ likes and owns the game including myself.

>>16313188

They already explained that they will in the first trailer for the game at 1:39.

They showed off in their blog that you can make models, scripts and textures for any block, mob, or item in the game.

The game hasnt even come out yet and it is already FAR more mod friendly than minecraft.

>>16313791

>The game hasnt even come out yet and it is already FAR more mod friendly than minecraft.

This is the only thing about the game that intrigues me. Still not getting it because it's Riot, though.

>>16299438

I mean its voxels so yeah, but… It looks to me like they are trying reaaally hard to nail down the " minecraft with shaders" aesthetic.

Another poster mentioned streamer/YT bait too

>>16299463

IMO they are just going for the good old "lightning striking twice" strategy that never ever works.

Actually, they may have a point.There are a lot of YT-ers that would greed their eyeballs out on the prospect of becoming one of those lottery winners that hold all the kiddie Minecraft audience.These motherfuckers may just make bank off sales alone even if the game flops by week two.

>>16313791

Resource packs are not modding, command blocks/scripting are not modding.What you described sounds on par with the latest vanilla additions

I want this to be good. It's looking like what cubeworld could have been. That game was actually fun for the stage of development it was in.

>>16299909

>C# is actually the same engine Minecraft Bedrock edition uses.

No, it's C++.

>>16299909

>Java Minecraft with great performance. (Java is a really horrible language to use for a video game.)

It performed so badly since it was just some /v/irgin's attempt at learning opengl, but he kept hacking on it for years until it turned into the mess it is now.

>>16313840

The game looks extremely promising to me.

It looks like what minecraft could have been but completely fucking shat the bed on.

Compared to minecraft Hytale is pretty much, not even mincraft 2 or 3, its comparable to a 3d terraria due to how ambitious its and how dreadfully lackluster minecraft actually was.

I no longer give a shit about cubeworld, they made me wait too long.

>>16313888

>torposter

Kill yourself

Besides that Notch is one of the most pathetic sacks of shit to ever grace the vidya industry, I dont even care if hes "based" or not, he is a literal retard who sits on a fucking mountain of money that could be put to so much use, he has the potential to unfuck this entire industry with all of his money but he acts like as if his fotrune is not even there.

Not to mention his wife fucking left him and cucked him of half of his fortune when he was a millionaire, thats comparable to Anthony Burch but with literal thousands of $200 wiius.

All he does nowadays is foam out of the mouth on twitter like your average swedecuck.

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>>16313915

Welp. This game is fucked.

>>16315101

>try to read up more on Cixi

>every article sucks her cock

On the subject of Chinese military competency keep in mind they've been trying to field their own air-superiority fighter since the earlier 90s, and after nearly 30 years they're still nowhere close to creating their own engines despite stealing technology from anyone they can.

Also, the chink government spent the majority of the 20th century thinking human wave tactics were the be all, end all of military endeavor, somehow managing to ignore all major wars during this period and also because the communists were cowards and never fought the Japanese directly - letting the nationalist do the dirty work for them. Then the Gulf War happened and they saw how a numerically inferior US force crushed the Iraqi army in mere days and they panicked, so for the past few decades they've been trying to modernize, but as always they fail to understand that stealing and buying shiny new toys doesn't mean shit if you can't push through institutional reforms to go with them.

Japan understood this and that's why they are where they are today. Chinks don't and that's why they will keep losing every war they fight, just like Arabs and Indians do.

>>16315097

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>>16315109

One more thing. They love to all but buyout western companies, promising them tons of profit and then right when they're majority in the chink market ban all their stuff. Seriously, go look a list of banned games in China. It's all shit from companies that bet on them as their primary audience.

>>16299431

call me when theres airship mods and monster girls

>generating a lot of buzz

FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT ANYONE WHO USES THIS LITERAL BUZZ WORD IS A SHILL/JOURNO

well if the game can support a hundred mods at once and not lag and crash to shit that would be cool

>>16315109

You have moar copypasta? This is really interesting.

>>16302429

Just play on a invite only private server and your concerns are moot. Also, the copy paste will obviously spend resources, except maybe in creative mode

>8ch receives a lot of attention from news

>Totally organic and not shill threads about games not even finished pop up like mushrooms with copypasted shit like OP was directly shitting the main site here one png at a time

Really activates my almonds.

>>16316979

You think its bad in this thread? Check some of the others. Like the 8chanmania thread (and stream). The whole place smells like buttcrack.

>>16316869

>the copy paste will obviously spend resources

Not really an issue. Gathering resources (especially if you have auto farms of some kind) is usually a tiny fraction of the time spent making a structure. And do you think griefers care what they make giant dicks out of? So they'll be hundreds of dirt cocks everywhere because gathering thousands of dirt blocks takes minutes with a decent shovel.

Of course, we don't even know what's going to possible in this game. Is there any redstone-ish functionality to even make farms? Will there be enchants to make tools more efficient or beacon/potion effects? Who the fuck knows. I kind of doubt it because building seems to be a very low priority for the devs compared to "gameplay".

>>16299825

I was merely wondering why they would write it in Microsoft's C-for-botnet edition instead of something sensible like regular C, Ada or Fortran .

what are they doing in place of redstone?

are there any kind of logic blocks in the base game at all?

>>16299431

>The game is not out

Then don't make a thread about it.

>Minecraft without mods is boring trash

>A bunch of the most prevalent modders that basically made the game still playable after your first week are making a more content ritch competitor

>Microsoft paid a cool fucking chunk of cash money for minecraft and did fuck all with it.

I hope this ruins someone at xbox's day.

>>16326389

The fact that they didnt hire these people or people like them within weeks of getting the IP so they could announce a Minecraft 2 years ago show they are fucking incompetent. Big studios in the west have too much money managers and not enough new talent. They figure "oh we can just have a high turn over of game dev grads as theyre all so interchangeable" and are surprised when they end up like bioware.

Well the art looks like someone actually tried to make it and not like Notch said "hey guys wouldnt it be funny if we kept using the same placeholder art lol" so they have that going for them.

>>16320498

Because sensible C requires tons of sensible fucking memory management. I can virtually guarentee anyone recommending this doesn't know what they are getting themselves into.

>B-but unreal and crytek

Yeah their entire business is modelled around selling their engine. The people who get it aren't writing C in the strictest sense, they're just using the engine. All the hardest shit about using C/C++ is already abstracted away from them and they might as well be using C# with slightly more obnoxious syntax. C# compiles down to C anyways. Ever wonder why so many UE games use the same shaders and effects? It's because nowadays if you aren't a well paid programmer working on infrastructure level shit you probably don't know shit about native C/C++. I don't and I'm a professional programmer that almost makes six figures – that's not to brag but to show you the state of the industry.

>>16326472

better than C/unicucks weenie brain damage.

>>16326679

>Serving anything on an interpreted language

You're a faggot.

>>16326682

Better than having your server code run as fast as a PDP-11.

>>16326698

You sure seem to enjoy settling for less. How long until you backpedal to "Better than using an abacus?"

>>16326742

How am I supposed to plant a forest of "if" trees with this keyboard?

>>16299444

As long as it doesn't use (((Java))).

>>16332966

It's not just the higher ups. Everyone from the ground up hates their audience and they hire selectively to make sure they maintain the gamer/developer schism that keeps people at each others' throats instead of uniting against the people actually running the show.

>>16326472

Java server libraries are by far the best ones, like, unbelievable better than all alternatives for all other languages

I fucking wish there was a Netty for c# that's not outdated trash

>>16332906

What's wrong with JAVA?

>>16332906

Java is the very reason minecraft modding is this fucking good

Go look at Javassist and how easy is to inject any piece of code in any part of the code you want, and how easy is to decompile the source to know what to put where

If minecraft was done in c#, the modders would be hostage to the modding API, with java, they can do literally anything they fucking want to any part of the code they desire

(which is why all mods break at the slightest change when the game updates)

>>16339817

> Java is the very reason minecraft modding is this fucking good

You have severe brain damage.

>>16340527

being ignorant is such a bliss

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>16339817

He's not entirely wrong.

>>16339816

The problem with Java (and it's simultaneous strength) is that it compiles just in time rather than being pre-compiling.

Compiling is is when you take the coding language and change it into binary.

If you use a language like C that means your program is pre-compiled. This means it has everything already set to go into Binary right out of the gate, can run extremely fast, and thus a game can have better performance.

But if you edit the code without knowing what you are doing or what you are editing, then it can completely fuck a pre-compiled program.

A language like Java is compiled "just in time" which means it changes to Binary as the script runs. This means that programs in Java will run slower and thus a game will have worse performance.

But with languages that compile just in time modding and editing can be much more flexible and easier to do.

C# is what would happen if you took Java and tried to get as close as possible to C. It formats like Java, compiles just in time like Java, and is a little faster than Java. But it will never be as fast as C.

The best case scenario is that they have certain aspects of the game programed in C with C# being a sort of glue that connects it all together.

Regardless though, there are plenty of other optimizations they can do outside of picking a coding language to make performance improvements over Minecraft.

>>16340793

>But it will never be as fast as C.

It can open a unsafe block and you can write in assembly if you want to

C# code sometimes outperform C because C# JIT will actually compile for the current hardware, meanwhile C will compile to some "arbitrary average theoretical" hardware

(Example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/883642/why-would-i-see-20-speed-increase-using-native-code)

>>16340793

>A language like Java is compiled "just in time" which means it changes to Binary as the script runs. This means that programs in Java will run slower and thus a game will have worse performance.

Not entirely true. Java compiles to bytecode and then that bytecode is compiled just in time to binary.

Even then, compiling just in time has the advantage of having runtime information, which you do not have when pre-compiling like in C. This is why the linux kernel has macros like likely/unlikely in many if conditions, to give the compiler information that cannot infer before runtime. You need to do profiling if you want to achieve those optimizations with C, and even then you will end up with a static single binary.

>>16340826

This is also true and related to what I just said.

>>16340826

>>16340831

Thanks, i didn't know that.

This reminds me of the other reason they probably chose C# which is because it will be easier to develop for multiple platforms compared to C.

They have said they are developing it for Windows and Mac OS, with the capacity to run severs in Linux.

Since most of their devs aren't familiar with consoles or mobile they are only focusing on the PC platform, though it should be fairly easy to port when they have the time.

Another interesting fact about how they are developing the game is that the studio has no central location and the developers are actually scattered around the world and work remotely.

This is because as a sever team in minecraft a lot of them came from different areas and countries to work on the hypixel sever.

This is why most of the SDK's they developed have remote streaming functions.

>>16340793

>C# is what would happen if you took Java and tried to get as close as possible to C.

I'll jump in and say that C# is closer to C++'d java than C. In fact, C# originally came about because Microsoft was in the middle of its "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" phase, like when they made JScript, and they made their own implementation of Java, called J++, which was mostly incompatible with Java. They were trying to extend Java, make people use J++-only features, and kill Java so all the old Java developers would be in their own ecosystem. It was shady as fuck, and programmers who were interested in Java at the time still remember it, and most of us will never trust Microsoft again (especially because being accessible and hip was always their original MO for killing their competition). The kids trust Microsoft now because of TypeScript and Visual Studio Code, but it's going to take more than a couple years of good behavior to prove that they aren't the cunts they've always been.

Anyway, they got sued by Sun for ripping off java, had to shut it all down, and then developed the .NET framework so that they wouldn't have to throw away all the work they did on J++. J# was the first migration from their dead J++ to .NET, and then C# came about as the official .NET language.

So in summary, C# came from a failed effort of Microsoft to suck the Java ecosystem into their own grasp, and they scrambled to make their own VM so that they wouldn't have to lose the work they put in.

Java and C# are okay languages and the JVM and .NET framework are decent enough VMs. They are also very fast, often being even faster than C due to runtime profiling and dynamic recompilation (though the biggest gain in speed is due to garbage collection offloading most memory management until it can be done in bulk and minimizing copying due to reference-based programming. To get similar memory management speed in C, you have to allocate ahead of time, use arena allocation, or use a C garbage collector like Boehm). I'm not a fan because resource management in GC languages always sucks, and the effort you save manually freeing memory becomes code mess every time you have to access an external resource to avoid leaking handles.

For the most part, though, this "Java is slow" or "C# is slow" shit is overblown. Cases where Java or C# have been really really slow are the fault of unskilled programmers who would also make very slow programs in C or C++ (probably even slower, because they'd usually tend to copy everywhere, where GC languages tend to enforce passing by reference). The biggest concern for Java and C# in games is that the GC can cause pauses when it runs a sweep. This is mostly solved with modern GCs that do hybrid incremental and generational collection to avoid a stop-the-world approach, or by using a real time subset of the language at hand to avoid as much GC as possible.

I hope I'm being clear enough about this. I've been doing this for a long time and I'm not used to explaining things to laymen.

>>16340990

>So in summary, C# came from a failed effort of Microsoft to suck the Java ecosystem into their own grasp, and they scrambled to make their own VM so that they wouldn't have to lose the work they put in

I wish they had made a javassist for C# too

The game will probably be fine for single player and co-op with a small group of friends because it's hard to truly fuck up a game of this type. Minecraft and Terraria turned out great and even Starbound has its moments

Even putting aside the playerbase of little kids and streamers, whatever online multiplayer there is will be garbage riddled with microtransactions if their minecraft servers are anything to go by.

.>>16313791

Terraria was a humble effort by like 2 guys, an artist, and some help, this game is made by a team who are already raking in bank from running p2w minecraft servers and they have a lot of investment and e-celeb buzz so it's more than a little bit different

>>16341355

Well they used to rake in bank. Once the Minecraft EULA got updated by Microsoft their revenue got cut by 85%. I don't know the specifics about how, but I do know that the MC EULA is the entire reason they decided to try a stab at making their own game.

My biggest concern is how they will handle monetization. The severs they ran on Minecraft we're as "freemium" as you would expect, and the involvement of Riot is not giving me any high spirits.

However the game has been thoroughly advertised as being extremely modifiable. So I don't know how they would be able to sell micro-transactions with such accessible modding tools.

The devs have stated multiple times that they are only focusing on Development, and will only answer questions about pricing once the game is ready to ship.

Until then Riot and predatory pricing are going to be looming over this game's release like a specter of death.

>>16347857

Also no demo. Seriously, every other Minecraft clone was playable months to nearly a year before release.

>>16347865

>Not releasing in early access in current year +4

Yeah something IS kinda fishy about that.

Game looks amazing and I would gladly pay to play a 3d terraria (which was like a 2d minecraft at first but milked its potential to perfection) like game.

Games like terraria, starbound and minecraft were available to get from the get-go YEARS before their actual release date, its not like hytale cant do the same.

I wonder if it will be on steam.

>>16347901

>I wonder if it will be on steam

If it's even remotely successful do not count on it.

>>16347901

>I wonder if it will be on steam.

The devs have said they don't like digital stores because of the cut in revenue, so they will probably sell it on their own site.

>>16347901

>Not releasing in early access in current year +4

>Yeah something IS kinda fishy about that.

I don't think it's so fishy, all things considered.

The entire reason they started the project was so that they could gain control over their own work.

Their Minecraft sever, while a successful sever, is constantly under Microsoft's thumb. At the same time Microsoft constantly delivers underwhelming updates, which give the game an uncertain future.

They made this game so that they would have their own version of Minecraft that THEY could have complete control over.

This is why I'm 99% sure it will not launch on Steam or Epic. The audience they are banking on, (Minecraft fans) are already used to games that are hosted on a company's website, that being Mojang's site.

By releasing on their own site, they can have total control over the game. Which is what they want over all else.

The reasons I would suspect about why their isn't a beta yet are three fold.

1. They have a partially made game, but they don't have the infrastructure to organize a beta on their site yet. (They originally had a beta sign up on their site when the trailer launched, but they got so many requests that the severs broke.)

2. They have a partially made game, but they are slow because of the autistic perfectionism that you would expect out of Minecraft community devs. They also might feel pressured by the amount of attention their game is getting.

3. They have a partially made game, but it's only a vertical slice and if they released it now it would be extremely underwhelming.

Either way you need to realize that a lot of the time the earliest Trailers/Teasers aren't mean to signal that a game is ready to go.

They are instead used as tools to measure hype and then that hype is leveraged for investment funds and stock price. However in this case it was just investment funds.

>>16348411

>They have a partially made game, but it's only a vertical slice and if they released it now it would be extremely underwhelming

I strongly suspect this. The fact is, we've seen nothing but "totally real gameplay" scenes and concept art. I doubt they even have anything that could be considered a working game yet, and probably won't for years to come. There isn't even a tentative release date.

In a way, this was kinda stupid of them. Why announce that the game is in development if they have nothing to show and won't for a while? By the time they can push out a reasonable beta, the hype will probably have died down. They should have sat on the announcement until they were only a few months (at most) from releasing early-access. Because I can't fathom them actually being this stupid, it's possible that they were forced in some fashion. Perhaps the announcement came shortly after a leak, and they did it just to quash potential rumors about the game being made?