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File: 6858ebef8475c1f⋯.jpg (39.54 KB, 600x450, 4:3, Aqk_GZUCQAAe8Z9.jpg)

b0a9c5  No.16292261

Why did Solidus need to kill Raiden's parents to recruit him? What did he see in Raiden that even made him stop by their place in the first place? How did he even meet Raiden's parents let alone Raiden?

f520d0  No.16292318

File: 3a9fb9036bb2ed2⋯.png (132.26 KB, 372x340, 93:85, 3a9fb9036bb2ed2c8bfae1b1f1….png)

>>16292261

Are you retarded? There was no greater purpose for it. Raiden was just another child soldier among many, except got good at it and learned to like it.


b0a9c5  No.16292343

>>16292318

I dont care why he killed them I want to know how he even knew about them, they obviously werent liberian living in deliapidated shit.


45311a  No.16292397

>>16292261

He didn't, they just needed to give a reason for Raiden to fight Solidus and not the Patriots.


f44289  No.16292401

>>16292261

Same reason Kong does


fc57d1  No.16292418

>>16292343

I thought it was the assumption he did it considering solidus fucked with a lot of people to get more children soldiers. Raiden was just one of the unlucky kiddos.


47d03f  No.16292422

He killed his parents so they wouldn't have to see Solidus pounding his boypucci


ea0aac  No.16292429

Because Solidus is a clone of the perfect soldier and commander so he probably suspected Raiden would make a good soldier just at a glance. Or maybe it was because he's white.


b0a9c5  No.16292463

>>16292429

>Or maybe it was because he's white.

Were there even white people living in Liberia?


4565b6  No.16292469

>>16292261

>Why did Solidus need to kill Raiden's parents to recruit him?

So Raiden, and the player, would have some reason and motivation to actually attack Solidus. Otherwise, you're attacking a dude whose crime is that he loved his country too much.


87b9ad  No.16292480

File: 62d22e9e7c7daf1⋯.png (308.89 KB, 1280x1646, 640:823, tumblr_nw0rzpcGfy1qiug5ko1….png)

>>16292422

Unlikely. This is Solidus we're talking about. Not Volgin


5e8378  No.16292482

>>16292469

Solidus did nothing wrong.

The better ending would be to just let Solidus kill that twink Raiden so Solidus can purge the electric jew once and for all, thus saving the world.


b0a9c5  No.16292495

>>16292482

The better ending would have been for Raiden to say "fuck all of this bullshit, fuck the patriots, they fucked me too, I'm with you, dad"


a2338b  No.16292500

>>16292422

>>16292480

>meanwhile you can't lewd a single haven trooper or the B&B unit ingame

This is the gayest homo fucking series on the planet.

I want to fuck a FROG. I WANT A HAREM OF FROGS, GOD DAMNIT CWC WHEN IS THAT DIMENSIONAL MERGE COMING


b0a9c5  No.16292501

>>16292500

Apparently all the trouble started when an unseen guy who was involved with 1-3 quit the company.

They should have invested more in Rising.


a1c09c  No.16292680

>>16292261

raiden was white when most child soldiers were black. They probably abducted raiden from some rhodesian farm family. Solidus also probably wanted a "son" figure in his life since he can't have real kids. Solidus was the most human "snake" clone so it's not surprising that he wanted a kid but did the most inhumane thing to get one.


000000  No.16292861

>>16292261

Because that part was written by the hack Kojimbo to try to paint a nationalist as being "muh evil" as he always tries to do.


b0a9c5  No.16293803

File: f6c769426ecd3d8⋯.gif (11.04 MB, 600x450, 4:3, solidus.gif)

It seems we will never know.


8ae415  No.16293889

>>16292495

Raiden was pumped full of Patriots nanomachines, so he was forced to finish the mission, right? I always saw that fight as a reluctant, necessary battle (much like MGS3's Boss fight) so that Raiden could make his own story, free from both the control of his superiors, and from his desire to be a super soldier like snake

>>16292680

>Solidus was the most human clone so he did the most inhumane thing

Neither Solid nor Liquid did anything inhumane, outside maybe Liquid allowing Psycho Manits to "interrogate" the DARPA chief.


8d391f  No.16293892

>>16292261

>Why did Solidus need to kill Raiden's parents to recruit him?

He didn't. It was shoehorned in at the last minute to stop people from siding with Solidus because he did absolutely fucking nothing wrong.


1a94cc  No.16293936

I suppose the argument could be made that Solidus did it so that Raiden had nowhere to go home to and could focus purely on his missions


b0a9c5  No.16293941

>>16293936

Why not try to recruit him into the sons of liberty?


70c410  No.16293949

>Solidus

I've never understood the point of solidus. Now, my memory is hazy og MGS2, but I remember him really only appearing at the very end of the game, having a FUCK HUEG cutscene were he explains what he is doing and why, and then you kill him with a katana. Fucking VAMP got more screentime. Why did they bother making him a clone of Big boss if they're just going to kill him. I know in 4 they use his body as a plot device, but we all know kojimbo cant plan that far ahead.

I liked MGS2 but fuck if it isnt full of the weirdest design decisions in all of MGS


8d391f  No.16293996

>>16292261

>Liquid says that 8 clones were made

>5 died

Who's to say that the others didn't live like Solidus did? That could be MGS6.


389d67  No.16294010

>>16293996

6 died, as Solidus seems to have been made later, separately, as he's the perfect Big Boss clone rather than just his 'child'.

And it wasn't the embryos that dies, but cells, Eva only carried two of them, even though that could always be retconned.


8d391f  No.16294026

>>16294010

Who says EVA had to be the only surrogate? 3, 4, and 5 were all retcons of the 1 and 2 story, anyway. We may as well retcon the whole thing.


8bb748  No.16294055

>>16293949

He was the leader of the group that took over the Big Shell and popped up a few times although he didn't do much until the end.


389d67  No.16294059

>>16294026

How does 3 retcon anything outside of giving a bit of a backstory and motivations for Big Boss (disconnected from other games before 4) and a small hint on who the Philosophers are?


70c410  No.16294081

>>16294055

I know that much, I'm just saying I dont understand why he was a character.


340bce  No.16294256

File: 2ed690d52d8f210⋯.png (121.52 KB, 375x438, 125:146, legs.png)

>>16294059

Changes the inventor of Metal Gear from Madnar to Granin and Huey.

Connects Big Boss to previously unrelated characters (the DARPA chief and Dr. Clark from MGS1).

Changes the story of how Big Boss lost his eye.

Adds parents of some existing characters.

>and a small hint on who the Philosophers are

The Philosophers didn't exist before MGS3, so they're a retcon too.


389d67  No.16294298

>>16294256

Sigint and Para-Medic being the DARPA Chief and Dr. Clark was only established in MGS4.

The Philosophers (or, rather, the progenitor to the current Patriots) were hinted at in the MGS2 post-credits scene, which is exactly what they went with for MGS3.


340bce  No.16294338

>>16294298

Are you telling me the only black man in MGS3 joining ARPA in the epilogue wasn't supposed to be a reference to the DARPA chief? That's hard to believe.

The Para-Medic/Dr. Clark connection is much weaker, though. Just some musing about Snake's genes that could have come from any doctor interested in the subject.

I never actually made the connection between the Philosophers and the end of MGS2, but that makes sense.


2b4e98  No.16294345

Why did Raiden feel bad about Killing Niggers in a Warlord War? I mean shit, Considering how hard these niggers nog, and how wherever they go, they must also rape, Jack the ripper was doing the world a huge fucking favor.


83e37a  No.16294362

File: 29463dc4f2249e0⋯.jpg (319.66 KB, 749x500, 749:500, Solidus was right.jpg)

>>16293949

He was the hero we needed.


982ddc  No.16294370

File: e329d91a523c2d4⋯.jpg (78.27 KB, 1200x633, 400:211, Did nothing wrong.jpg)

>>16294362

Rest in peace America's last true patriot. Your sacrifice was not in vain. Until kumjimbob decided to revive you as a spooky skelly for his Hollywank project


7bed2e  No.16294371

>>16294345

I could have sworn revengence established that he didn't feel bad about it and is just in denial about his bloodlust, hence Ripper mode and the whole interplay with Sam


982ddc  No.16294374

>>16294371

This is the truth. He didn't feel bad, he just hated that he enjoyed the bloodshed so much. As soon as pain inhibitors were turned off, he went into psycho motherfucker mode.


83e37a  No.16294409

File: 122c9d5c776f160⋯.jpg (167.41 KB, 960x544, 30:17, sad boss.jpg)

>>16294370

Solidus didn't deserve the death he got


a81b5a  No.16294429

>>16294409

>Useful idiot

>didn't deserve the death he got

Pick one.


83e37a  No.16294439

File: fed7e627cd84787⋯.png (80.97 KB, 632x758, 316:379, Feelidus.png)

>>16294429

Shut the fuck up Raiden


d36496  No.16294450

>>16294429

everyone in MGS is a useful idiot, every plot twist or plot hook involved someone else being behind someone else


33da23  No.16294452

File: 5211028f8eac75b⋯.jpg (31.51 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, solidus vs raiden.jpg)

>>16294429

/trannypol/ pls go.

>>16293949

Solidus was literally like The Spirit Of Japan and America combined. Rugged Individualist Nationalist Warrior; Miyamoto Musashi combined with Andrew Jackson/Che Gevara. I don't know if Solidus was hapa like Snake though, but that's pretty much the jist of it.


616d76  No.16294490

>>16292482

>>16292861

Solidus wasn't evil. He was just being played like a fiddle by the Patriots the whole time. I believe he had tried to join them with the whole Shadow Moses incident, but that went south and then he wanted to wreck their shit. Unfortunately for him, Solidus is no Ocelot. Ocelot was the only one in the series capable of removing the Patriot system and he did by baiting Snake.

>>16293936

This is the most likely reason. Solidus wanted child soldiers who would do his bidding. He didn't need anyone's parents and he thus cut them out of the equation.

>>16293949

Solidus was the President of the US during MGS1. He tried to go bigtime like President Johnson did during MGS2. The Patriots wanted a Snake that they could control, so they built one. The Big Shell Incident was their final training ground, but then the real Snake showed up and things went tits up for their plan. Solidus was another pawn in the end and the major reason why he was never going to succeed is that he never had Ocelot on his side. The real Big Boss was frozen somewhere and Solidus got used for parts to help bring him back in MGS4.

>>16294338

It's fantasy, so a lot of the major characters are going to be related somehow. They'll either be literally related or know of each other. A lot of backstory was implied back in MGS1. Master Miller didn't get fleshed out until PW. Even back in MG1 and MG2, the only thing we know about Fox is that he was capture by BB. He was largely portrayed as another grunt until he became the cyborg ninja in MGS1. I don't think his sister Naomi was ever brought up until then as well and then that wasn't fleshed out until PO and MGS4. What I'm getting at is that the games are pretty vague and leave a lot of room for filling later. Solidus easily could have shown up in MGSV. I wouldn't say they are necessarily retconning anything, but that they are just filling in the gaps that they intentionally put in the story.

>>16294345

>>16294371

>>16294374

Prior to Revengeance, he hated that he was a child soldier. I'm sure he would have felt the same way regardless of who he was killing on the battlefield. His bloodlust was hinted at by Solidus, and that's probably why he liked him so much.

>>16294452

>Rugged Individualist Nationalist Warrior; Miyamoto Musashi combined with Andrew Jackson/Che Gevara

Kill yourself, commie.

>>16294450

>this

I think Ocelot is the only character to consistently stay ahead of the curve. Boss knew that she was sent on a suicide mission, but she couldn't do anything about it. BB got used by Zero on numerous occasions. Snake got used by everyone. Eva just wanted to carry BB's kids, but he couldn't do it as his nuts got irradiated. I think she was just being used by the Chinese though. I don't know when Zero became aware of the Philosophers, but he did create the Patriots along with pretty much everyone else that was involved in Snake Eater. Outside of the player controlling the various Snakes, the whole story is pretty much about Ocelot. He was the reason Boss was forced to work for the Philosophers and the reason Snake's story gets set into motion. He helps the various Snakes over the years from BB, who he more than likely saw as a father figure to Solid Snake, who he saw as a brother and rival.


33da23  No.16294513

>>16294490

You knee-jerked at "Che Gevara", but you realize that he was a CIA-plant and that Big Boss is based on him right? That's the only reason I mentioned him. Solidus was based on how Miyamoto Musashi fought with two swords + that Nationalist American Spirit. He's a breddy gud character tbh. Also Ocelot pretty much pulled the strings harder than anyone in the end.


70c410  No.16294903

File: c5857d566756b82⋯.gif (7.07 MB, 940x430, 94:43, c5857d566756b82c469f596bd0….gif)

>>16294490

After taking a wiki walk, Solidus seemed to be a man who couldn't escape his fate. Everything he ever did and stood for, was merely for the furthering of the Patriot's goals. Granted, he desperately wanted it to be different, but every choice he thought he was making, was really just another highly-calculated move the Patriots wanted him to make. The Ultimate Pawn. Even in the end, he was just used for spare parts and left to burn, giving the very last thing he had to give for the man he idolized so much.

Do you think he is satisfied? That his Lgeacy, the very thing he cherished above all else, is something he can look upon and be happy?


000000  No.16295096

>>16292261

>trying to find coherence in jap writing

anon…


b0a9c5  No.16296685

>>16294452

>Che Gevara

No.

You fucked up everything you were trying to say by namedropping that commie spic.


9a849e  No.16301697

>>16292343

It was a coincidence really, according to the light novel.




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