/v/ - Video Games

Just call it a VtMB2 General, faggot. You've posted nothing new. Wanting to be the OP of a popular thread is fucking redditor behavior, which by the way, is exactly where you should go back to. Wait for something to happen and then let's talk about that.

>wow what a total shill let me make (1) and done pointless threads whenever I feel like

This game will be fucking trash because it's pozzed up the ass and (((Paradox))) wants to cash in on a beloved classic game. It will barely be worth a pirate until there's a "GOTY edition" 2-3 years after release when the DLC has made it playable.

I think I'll pirate it to avoid giving (((paradox))) my money.

>>16289217

>i'll only eat sjw shit if it's free

>>16289159

If anything OP should have been nothing but a list of fucking retarded WW and PDX design ideas, because that's all that will ever matter with this game.

>>16289260

I'm still betting on the MC diablerizing a vampire of whatever clan you want to "become" as an excuse.

>>16289260

>what is eating other vampires

>>16289266

>>16289268

>diablerie

Oh so even when you're not a thin-blood anymore none of the civilized vampires will still not want to deal with you? Great idea.

What a shame.

>>16289285

*all of the civilized vampires will not want to deal with you

>it's okay (and sometimes even good!) to be mentally ill

I hate this.

>>16289285

>implying you can't go from thin blood to methuselah in 70 years if you space it out one or two generations at a time if you are really good and lucky

>>16289159

>https://archive.fo/K66qu

>One of the reasons we went to Seattle for Bloodlines 2 is there’s a lot of conflict in Seattle that is a microcosm of a lot of conflict that’s going on all over the place. It just felt like a good place to start to ground it; the conflict between tradition and progress, conflict between money and artistic endeavours. A lot of those conflicts are happening right now and they’re very real.

>It seems like the perfect place to dig into something that feels very modern in terms of the conflict and also very timeless; grounding it in 2020 but also very much a descendent of what the original game was. One of the reasons why that particular conflict attracted us so much was because it’s an inherently political conversation but it’s one of the few ones where it’s hard to… there are valid approaches. The world has to move forward, right?

>Technological progress is a big deal and people are going to make money doing it. But what’s the cost? One of the things we really wanted to do was narrow in on a major conflict that can truly, reasonably be seen from both sides. As much as I loved being in Seattle in the 90s, and I’ve lived most of my life in Seattle, but at the same time I make video games for a living. I am not innocent of the tech boom.

>It is a political game but I think it’s one of those few opportunities that gives us the chance to let people make their own political statement in a way that’s not cheap. I don’t believe you can look at both sides of a political argument without understanding both sides. It’s easy to say this is good and this is bad. But it’s definitely taking some political stances on what we think are right and wrong. In terms of the main conflict what is interesting is it’s one of those truly balanced issues.

>>16289285

The devs already showed that they don't give a fuck about Vampire lore.

>>16289260

>why the fuck do you get to CHOOSE a clan

>Clans are based on fucking BLOODLINES

Well, you see, the whole thing started in this coffeehouse in Vienna…

>>16289304

>first game is about chaos vs. order

A very timeless dichotomy to make a narrative out of. It's hard to go wrong with-

>we want to write a game about tradition and progress

That's one order removed from the original, and therefore diluted, but it could work if you-

>It will be about personal politics, left vs. right.

>did we mention that we are liberal urbanites who live in a city that elected an out and out socialist niggeress to mayor?

Oh no

I am hoping that Mitsoda won't let these SJW types ruin his game.

>>16289329

Then you are a fool.

>>16289329

He's married to one.

I wonder if we can work with contacts from the vampire run Chechnya and turn Seattle into a gay bashing paradise, just like our Brave and Fearless writers told us about in the latest volume.

>>16289304

>Seattle is a microcosm of the conflicts we see all over the world

>I've lived in Seattle my whole life and my perspective is utterly warped

>by "tradition vs progress" I mean should we push for Pedophile Rights or should we make it illegal to not be a pedophile

>>16289266

In V20 (haven't checked earlier versions) diablerizing is condoned on those subject to a blood hunt. It's still regarded as bad by a good number of people though.

Alternatively, one of the high level "plot device" disciplines can do it. Problem is it's a common answer to how the PC gets so strong so fast in the original game, evidenced by how Dominate fails on you in the end game but works earlier: Cain (or the Malk ancient who thinks he's Cain) has been lowering your generation the whole game. The only way they could do that would be saying that's what happened in the original and making it a retread. It would also be blatant with a thinblood instead of average vamp of indeterminate generation.

>>16289295

Can be true, eccentrics have their place. The problem is a society composed of people who want to be eccentrics but really aren't, so they end up in a state of contrarian conformity consisting of vapid hedonism and blind judgementalism against the past they don't understand while pretending to be capable of intellectual freedom.

>>16289408

And it turns out the "mental illnesses" that are good are… already more or less accepted. An obsessed, autistic inventor is probably good for your community/the human race and most of the time are regarded as weird at worst. A man who dresses in an animal costume, claims to be a woman and wants to screw kids is not and naturally isn't accepted.

>>16289295

Leftists don't understand the difference between tolerating something, accepting something and condoning something.

>>16289244

You are 100% correct

>>16289423

Autism doesn't make someone smart. Much like Einstein's seeming inability to tie his shoes, go to the bathroom, or even breathe passively, trying to convince autists that they're smart is only setting them up for failure. Autism is a form of mental retardation, and all autistics are mentally deficient, incapable of producing value aside from menial labour.

>>16289474

>Autism doesn't make someone smart.

You don't need to be smart, what you need is to be determined and dedicate yourself to what you're doing.

>>16289260

In V5, if a thin-blood diablerizes a member of a clan he becomes a 13th-gen vampire of that clan. It's already confirmed you're sired as part of a mass embrace so the first part of the story will almost certainly be the perpetrators getting a blood hunt called on them and you get to choose which one to eat.

>>16289482

There hasn't been a single autist in human history that has produced anything of substance. Throughout all history the autistic have only provided the world with two things: worm food and peon labour. The fact that smarts and dedication has been conflated with autism goes to show how fucking sad these parents with autistic children are: they have to convince themselves that everyone from Socrates to Aristotle to Isaac Newton had autism.

>>16289244

Seeing all the vampires getting massacred was really satisfying after all the shit they were doing throughout the series.

>>16289576

No, that's the only acceptable stance to take.

>>16289564

Well she sure didn't retain those looks so no more feeling uncomfortable for her!

>>16289139

>accessibility features

That's right. Just because I can't play niggerball for shit doesn't mean I should be allowed to play it pro.

>Neo-cons

wat?

>third person

Why is this an accessibility issue?

>camera movement toggle off

God forbid there be slight head bobbing.

>subs/CC

Nigger when's the last time a game got released with out subs?

>a way to change contrast/colors

Your monitor/TV settings. Your graphics card settings.

>a way for to manage sound levels for elements

Another feature that's in like literally every game.

>trigger warnings

Literally kill yourself.

>diverse enough cast

See above.

>It's [current year]

See above.

>Hate speech specialists

See above.

>please make sure it doesn't become a propaganda game

By making it leftist propaganda.

>The fandom

Whom you don't speak for.

>>16289612

>Whom you don't speak for.

I wouldn't be so sure. The WoD community has always been full of mentally ill faggots.

Honestly, even ignoring all the political shit, the devs are an even bigger mess. They're a rebranded shovelware/mobile porting studio

>>16289260

>nuWoD

they got rid of that and went back to OWoD with retcons

>change the way thin-bloods work?

also yes, thin bloods get some pretty unique abilities in v5

all the abilities they mentioned with turning to mist and telekinesis are thinblood specific, but thin bloods have no inherent disciplines and have to learn them from a vamp teacher

That said, going thin blood route severely caps your power level, probably a max of 14th or 13th generation in game and that would only be if you could diablorize more than one vamp

>>16289503

That's because autism is a made up illness that covers the broad spectrum of "socially awkward and introverted" to "out and out retarded" its like "ADD", attaching a stigma to childhood exuberance so (((Dr. Goldstein))) can push pills.

I will also say that the vast majority of people have only ever amounted to peon labor and that every human that has ever lived, peasant or king, Caesar or cretin, has or will serve as worm food.

>>16289329

Oh, I guess you didn't know about his last project.

>>16289633

>That's because autism is a made up illness that covers the broad spectrum of "socially awkward and introverted" to "out and out retarded" its like "ADD", attaching a stigma to childhood exuberance so (((Dr. Goldstein))) can push pills.

It is absolutely real, and the worthlessness of autistic individuals has nothing to do with severity of spectrum. See: Christian Chandler et co. Even the most normal of autistics is absolutely useless. Introversion is dysgenic behaviour to begin with, but when it's combined in a mental illness that manifests as a lack of ambition, it just makes everything worse.

>I will also say that the vast majority of people have only ever amounted to peon labor

Wrong. Specialization has always been a key feature of human society. Peon labour, that is tasks that take no thought to do, have been becoming more and more pointless as technology advances. The autist excels at these because he's lost in his own delusional head and all the fantasies and all the leisure: he can put aside those things because he's able to keep playing them through his sick head as he toils away at his mindless, pointless job, a job which doesn't serve society in the slightest. As machines advance, eugenic practices need to advance as well: we need ways to diagnose these mental illnesses in the womb and summarily execute the infant before it can be born to a life of suffering brought on by its irresponsible, dysgenic parents (autism is caused exclusively by higher than advisable amounts of testosterone in a womb environment, often caused by reckless behaviour (alcohol, overweightedness, smoking, etc.) during pregnancy).

>>16289688

Show us on the doll where the bad (((autist))) touched you, anon.

>>16289139

>sister and her frinds run WoD table top

>GM is super hype

>point out that its not being made by the same people

>ask if the guys making it have anything under their belt they do not

>point out that the orignal developers have mostly gone their sepperate ways at this point

>point out even if they have a few of them no one person can be attriubted for the success and having one or two people doens't guarantee it will be good

>point out how some of them are even washed up at this poiint

>point out how the publisher is not perticualy great though not as bad as activision

>>16289423

Autistic SAVANT =/= Autistic autist

>>16289700

Fuck forgot to finish it

>ask why exactly they are excited

>"beucase bloodlines had a great story"

>>16289708

You left out the part where the normalfags accuse you of being bitter and jaded for not being enthusiastic for this

>>16289576

>implying it will even come out

It is coming out early 2020 and has no footage to show. They probably expect the modding community to finish the game again.

>>16289714

You are correct,I also forgot about that.

>>16289722

>They probably expect the modding community to finish the game again.

You best not be implying that Troika Games was happy about the state the game was released in. Thems fighting words

>>16289692

Joke all you want, you know what I've said is true. The autistic serve no real biological purpose. In fact, my hypothesis for them being used for menial labour throughout history is entirely wrong now that I consider it: children and prisoners were used for menial labour, because you don't have to pay either. I've got no fucking clue what the autistic were doing in all of human history. It'd be wonderful to say that they were all killed shortly after being born in some Pop-Spartanesque form of eugenics, but I know this wasn't the case.

>>16289741

You generally aren't wrong but you sure are buttblasted about autists. There's a reason we make a distinction between high-functioning and non-functioning autists.

>>16289733

>You best not be implying that Troika Games was happy about the state the game was released in. Thems fighting words

No but the suits making this new one assume the same thing will happen so they will shit out unfinished garbage.

>>16289746

Oh anon, it won't be unfinished. It'll will be a work in progress! DLC packs every 4 months to add in features that those silly grognard should have been in the basegame, that's the Paradox way!

>>16289743

There is no difference. A high-functioning autist sits on his ass all day, rising only to raise his serotonin levels, obsessing over something that gives him dopamine jolts. A low-functioning one sits on his ass all day and moans incoherently, as his mind makes noises and pictures that shoot out dopamine to soothe him and his keepers feed him serotonin-rich food. Neither contribute and both deserve the mercy of painless execution, like you would with a limping dog. They're hardly classifiable as human, as humans have empathy and reason while the autistic do not, so no religion or ideology should take issue with this.

>>16289761

>sits on his ass all day, rising only to raise his serotonin levels, obsessing over something that gives him dopamine jolts.

Literally everyone on this site nigger

>>16289720

The fuck are you talking about? I've got an Intel CPU and the game runs just fine. Install the unofficial patch and play it, it's the fucking source engine.

>>16289764

I'll have you know I don't find enjoyment in getting frustrated at some of the posts I read on this web site.

>>16289768

Trust me when I say I tried that. I keep getting the same error on startup, "unable to load materialsystem.dll" or something.

>>16289139

>Smiling jack and Beckett are canonically dead

no they're not

Gehenna/The Last Night were retconned

i hate video games

>>16289493

>>16289260

>>16289285

>Diablerie give you -1 gen

That's nothing new, it's always how diablerie worked.

BUT, and it's a pretty big but, diablerie is a major Taboo that only Sabbat (Tzimisce really, Lasombra far less) accept, as the whole Jihad is based upon obedience to elders and generational segregation.

Tremere are still universally despised and mistrust because their clan was born through it (Tremere diablerized Saulot).

Thin blood are canon fodder for Sabbat, abomination and/or walking mascarade infractions for Camarilla.

Thin blood committing diablerie might work in a Sabbat setting, but they would be killed on sight by the Camarilla.

>>16289761

>A high-functioning autist sits on his ass all day, rising only to raise his serotonin levels, obsessing over something that gives him dopamine jolts

The same could be said of all normalfags.

>>16289139

Some features sound nice, although it's only the stuff that was in the original Bloodlines, I'm betting that execution of these is poor. My only real dread for this game is that it becomes a major success and is a fucking knife to the face for original Bloodlines fans with all the retarded SJW shit, the nixing of the late 80s to early 00s setting

>original deus ex style level design

I'm guessing this is more like HR so it will be DX but minus the sprawl, and with secrets far easier to find, and less broken oriented movement like jumping between paths the game didn't intend or expect the player to do.

>in game references to the events of bloodlines

So the apocalypse already happened? I fear that they will miss the point of the original Bloodlines, which was supposed to be a lead up to the final nights with Caine walking about, what could Caine have been doing for the past 15 years anyway?

>story is yuuge

I doubt this, there's no way we are getting most of the shit they are selling, expect things to be cut down significantly, like instead of separate logical quests for who you choose to diablerize expect it to be a generic one where you choose from a list, that's at least 6 different questlines for 6 different characters of different factions the game would be implementing, and there's no way they are doing this in this day and age.

>>16289787

Where did you get your copy from? sounds like you are missing a .dll, I have ran the game on multiple different Intel processors and it should have 0 probrems unless you are using something that belongs in a museum like a pentium 3.

>>16289820

>already hated for your existence

>will be hated further for both diablerie and jumping into affairs you have no part in

>will somehow rise to prominince even though everyone will see you as an affront

This is something that seriously needs to be seen because it just makes no sense within the setting, lest we find out that rudi is the leader of the local anarchs and he wakes up during the day to pray 3 times.

>>16289820

In V5, the Camarilla explicitly allow it during blood hunts, and this is mentioned as one of the ways to escape being a thin-blood. In V20 they would turn a blind eye in some places but not others.

>>16289840

Why would a Thin Blood who is already an outcast be allowed into the affairs of a faction that sees them as an abomination? It just doesn't make any sense.

>>16289576

This is going to be a great trainwreck.

>>16289851

For the same reason a random neonate sired without permission was allowed into the affairs of the Camarilla: you were useful and played on a split between the Anarchs and the Camarilla in LA, a city where the Camarilla didn't have absolute authority. The difference just one of degree, and once you legitimately diablerize somebody you won't be a thin-blood anymore and it's reduced to the same problem as in the first game.

>>16289139

>argue to make the game political

>finish by saying please don't make it political

That guy in the second image in a retard.

>>16289862

You weren't just a random neonate though, you were sired from someone that the prince of the city saw as trustworthy, and instead of executing you he took you in as his own ward. It's far more sensical than a thin blood rising through the ranks and becoming someone of prominence.

>the difference between a 10th gen vampire made extra powerful due to caine's meddling is 1 degree

>>16289840

Fifth edition is utter trash though (I'm not even talking the SJW busload of bullshit here, there are no rules for Sabbat or Anarchs… Yup just nothing) and they said they'd retcon all the way to Gehenna (so long before V20).

>>16289898

> and instead of executing you he took you in as his own ward.

It's left ambiguous whether Nines' outburst actually changed Lacroix's mind about what to do with you, but to me it really looks like it did.

>made extra powerful due to caine's meddling

Nobody knew about that at first other than Caine himself and maybe Jack.

>>16289902

I agree.

>>16289244

Worst part about the anime is how they tried so fucking hard to make the vampires sympathetic and heroes like the doctor evil.

>>16289924

What's important is that a 10th gen vampire is now the pawn of the prince of the city, is nothing like a thin blood with no connections whatsoever who seems to stumble into things. Now sure we don't have all the information, maybe the thin blood is a pawn in someone else's plan and everything is pre planned, but it sounds more like Fallout 4 where the main character is only where they are because everyone around them is incompetent, rather than New Vegas where the character happens to be in the perfect place to achieve all of their goals.

In New Vegas the MC is the only person able to access House's casino, and House needs an outsider who already has a beef with Benny in order to not start a war with his own independently managed casino's.

In VTMB the main character is a plant by Caine and his co conspirators set up as part of a plan to deliver final death to the current prince of LA.

I'd say it's debatable whether Nines had anything to do with the the MC being saved in Bloodlines, or else the plan would have fallen flat and the vampire that sired them would have died for nothing.

>>16289862

Caitiff aren't thin blood.

While they are trouble if un-managed and therefore often disposed of, since the anarch leader step up to save you and the city is under Sabbat attack, it's just a political move for the Camarilla prince to make you his gopher/suicide bomber.

Technically you're 8th generation in Bloodlines, possibly because Caine is fucking with your blood at each chapter (all the "lore" char, the Tzimisce, Strauss, Beckett, etc… comment that there is something wrong with your powers) or because the canon version is that you're really the prince Childe and he made a switcheroo (which is implied if you pick Ventrue).

An 8th generation in 2000 is basically a monster, a thin blood is 15th generation…

>>16289812

Wait what?

Can't wait to catch vampire HIV and have it be a major plot point.

>>16290111

So you saying its gonna be poz propaganda? The embrace is you getting pozed up the ass and you might look sickly but actually you have super-powers?

>>16290117

I'm not saying it will happen.

But if it does I won't be surprised.

One of the greatest moments in any vampire narrative. It's so good.

No one in AAA gaming today is capable of even drop of thought let alone to produce something of this caliber. VtMB2 is going to blow despite being part of a tradition in fiction rife with inspiring predecessors in every medium of storytelling.

>>16290420

They're locusts. They don't care if something fails to sell. What matters is whether they're able to seize control of something they despise.

>>16290145

>It has a great core concept with a couple great characters and developments trapped in an overall nothing story with a worthless ending.

hey, you can't blame Lynch for Season 2.

>>16290420

>crash and burn

Why do people think that this will be the case, the trailer has almost 1 mil views and it's coming to consoles as well, I personally predict success, even though I dread it and want it to fail.

>>16290861

It'll be another lackluster rpg with no heart or soul. If we look at other Paradox rpgs, Pillar of Eternity was a "success" but by no means a good game. Tyranny was a "success" but again not a good game. This geek crowd will lay the game, talk about it for a week, and move on. It's how they consume media.

>>16289244

my nigga

What's a hate speech specialist?

>>16290873

I definitely agree with the no heart or soul aspect, but I think the failings will be on many levels, technical, lacking in vision, the SJW co-opting it and using it both as an extension of and to extend it's ideology. Lackluster, maybe, disappointing, undoubtedly.

>>16290909

The kind of job that that exists to give someone with connections a job.

>>16290910

There are 6 clans playable on their website, and I'm guessing that not all of those clans will be available day 1.

>>16289139

>Guns exist and are treated as temporary opportunities, you pick em up, use it, then discard it and move on.

That's fucking annoying. If you can't depend on always having access to a decent gun, it means every damn character needs to be built to be a kung fu master/melee brute or have active offensive powers and burn blood points like crazy on them in fights.

>>16289285

I don't remember all this shit but I thought diablerie only showed up in your "aura" or what ever when you ate another vamp against their will. If the blood was freely given then it's just fine.

>>16290935

I wonder if this is politically based.

>>16290951

You didn't see the part where they said only some clans will be available day 1?

>>16289812

Does that mean we can assume the cabbie really was Cain, now? No more of this hooey about oh it was just a silly Malky who believed he was Cain ffs the cabbie's voice files all say Cain in the filename.

It's gonna have denuvo as well!

>>16290861

even setting aside the SJW stuff for a moment, the fact that this is a console game alone should be enough to write it off as junk not worthy of the name Bloodlines.

Politics and friction between the clans occurs largely beyond the sight or knowledge of mortals. I just want someone in this "sequel" to describe it as an Invisible War.

>>16290962

did we struck a nerve?

>>16290972

It's just part of the layers of problems shitting up this game

>unreal engine

>and consoles

>developed by a studio with no passion or vision

>publisher known for nickel and dime dlc

>socjus journalists into writers

>day 1 dlc

>expansion and dlc already detailed before gameplay has been shown

>overly ambitious with a studio that has never made anything of value

>current year politics

>socjus agenda

>catered to transtrenders

>>16289139

>make sure that we are punching up and not punching down.

So they're saying right off the bat that it's gonna be a politicised shitpile where only people they deem "privileged" will get mocked

>>16289838

Not just any minorities, though, but human minorities. Also, I love how they outright tell you he's been recently turned yet he's described as a leader.

Jesus fucking Christ. The source material alone would doom this project to failure. Add everything else and there is no chance this won't be a trainwreck.

>>16291099

>Ingame artbook

>bunch of useless items

<developer commentary

I cant put my repulsion into words. I wish i could anti-buy a game.

>>16291018

It's overly ambitious for that studio, but at the same time I'm taking their statements at face value, I don't actually believe that the game will be as detailed as they are trying to sell it, but these are points they are still making, you're right about the prototype thing but I think it's also a combination of things, over promising being another big one, I think the best example for this was with Fable 3 Molyneux mentioned something about demolishing factories and replacing them with trees at the players behest, as if the player would have that much control over the world around them, what he didn't mention is that this was only achievable through a one time quest and it was a binary option of keep factory or plant trees, personally I expect this to apply to everything regarding things like character history, choosing factions, the crowds and muggers statement and even the quests about the other thin bloods will just be a detour on the main story. and yet again that's assuming that these aren't only as part of a design document or

>>16291099

>cosmetic purchases in a single player game

Well there's another

I saw this too, I don't think having a preorder so early for the game is an innate problem of this game, isn't that par for the course already.

Here's more too

>cinematic combat finishers

>a larger emphasis on combat to the point that it was the main part of the reveal trailer

>what i suspect will be a perk based character development tree

>easy movement powers like turning into mist climbing walls and flying being accessible to every character completely killing the balance of the game

>non permanent weapons balance combat towards melee which makes it far more reliable

>Cara Ellison

Dropped.

>>16291115

>easy movement powers like turning into mist climbing walls and flying being accessible to every character completely killing the balance of the game

My biggest issue here is the protagonist being a thinblood. Unless diablerie is on the menu (and that's a whole other can of worms) every single protagonist will play the same, the Clan choice largely being cosmetic.

>>16291122

Pretty much. Having that cunt on the team is the kiss of death for the game.

>>16289139

>add this, this, this, and this

>muh diversity, consult the right (((people)))

>also don't make it propaganda lol

Holy fuck have some self-awareness.

What the fuck does it mean with "I trust you'll give me a "we know"."?

>>16291146

I think he wants the social media slave of that company to confirm and reassure his virtue signaling as successful.

>>16291156

i cant wait for the jihad mod that lets you throw kindred faggots off of rooftops.

/v/irgins will still play this pozzed game, pretending that the only thing that matters is gameplay - cringing and crying as the devs peppered the entire story with insults specifically aimed at white males.

>>16291192

You mean (((/v/irgins))) politics is more important than gameplay for the quality of a game today anyway

>>16291192

>>16291220

>>16291214

It's not even that they insult people, I could care less. The issue is that those creators actively prohibit other games/creators just because they have politics opposed to theirs, so you end up getting the same garbage every time due to gatekeeping. They even attack "centrists" like Ubisoft for not making an explicit political statement from their camp.

Remember how they collectively attacked PDP recently even though he frequently denounced Nazis and criticized them on his videos? By funding these leftist loons, you are contributing to the stagnation of the narrative.

>>16289260

>Does nuWoD change the way thin-bloods work?

Card-carrying fa/tg/uy here, I'll take this one. Vampire: The Requiem doesn't do Generations, instead you have a stat called Blood Potency which goes from 1 to 10. All other splats go by the same principle because nWoD was made with streamlining in mind. Not that it's a bad thing, mind, there's a lot less headaches involved. But I digress. You start play as a BP 1 vampire and move up the food chain as you age (you auto-gain BP every 50 years of unlife) and gain experience (self-explanatory). The option of diablerie is still there, of course. While it makes you stronger overall and makes not just your Disciplines but your inherent vampire powers (they have those in Requiem, see Preatory Aura) it has some side effects, namely that your diet gets more restricted. At BP 3 you can no longer feed on animals, and at 7 you can only feed on supernatural beings. You also sleep much longer if someone knocks you into torpor. Moreover sunlight fuck you up way worse the older and less human you are and other Kindred can sense your bad mojo coming from further and further away.

There's some more about it but those are the important bits. Was this helpful?

>he will play this shit

>>16291099

>Locking development commentary behind a paywall

Now this is some advanced faggotry, not even bothering with the Greatest Hits of HEY REMEMBER BLOODLINES, THE GAME WE'RE LEECHING OFF OF? you get when you Pay Now.

I also love that they're fucking teasing planned expansions right out the gate that they could have easily included in base game if it was planned so early in development,but the cancer that is modern AAA practices continues to spread, Troika is spinning in their graves, and I can only hope that this game makes Paradox take a great big bite of humble fucking pie.

>>16291110

>I wish i could anti-buy a game.

as in, spend money to hurt the company?

try stolen credit cards or shady resellers, redeem it on a dummy steam account then delete the license from said steam account.

>>16289576

Ride the tiger, brah

>>16291192

>pretending that the only thing that matters is gameplay

The gameplay will be shit too. They already said they wanted to design it to be more INCLOOOOSIVE so at best it'll be a corridor walking sim like that newest Call of Cthulhu game.

>>16291192

The "only gameplay matters" fags are pretty annoying.

>>16291302

This game is based on V5, not VtR.

>>16291693

Hope isn't a rational thing.

>>16291817

Read again, he was asking how the New World of Darkness handled it.

>>16291846

He was asking how a thin-blood PC could be justified in this game. It doesn't make sense for him to be talking about nWoD, which isn't even really new anymore.

>>16291192

>, pretending that the only thing that matters is gameplay

The devs have basically admitted that they're going to dumb gameplay down so the lowest common denominator retards can play it just fine.

>>16291871

>He was asking how a thin-blood PC could be justified in this game

That guy specifically asked how thin-bloods were handled in nu-WoD and an answer was given.

>>16291901

By "nu-WoD" he did not necessarily mean New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness, which is no longer the newest version of WoD.

>>16291908

Clueless casuals figuring out that Paradox are turbocucks

>>16291904

>By "nu-WoD" he did not necessarily mean New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness

Oh. Right, I see where I was mistaken. My bad, mate.

>>16291904

It could have honestly gone both ways since both are equally fucked between nWod and 5e but I get it.

>>16292046

Right, but V5 makes more sense because it's what this game is based on. VtR is something totally different, it doesn't even have the same clans as VtM and V5.

>>16291701

It's a stupid argument to begin with when it comes to RPGs or games masquerading as RPGs: things such as worldbuilding, character choice, consequences, aesthetics and story (not to the extent that many think though, RPGs can be great with lackluster stories) matter just as much if not more than gameplay.

>>16291667

>2019

>hasn't read Revelation 13

>hasn't heard of woke capital

>muh sjws

>>16289986

This thread is the first time I'm hearing about "cain fucking with your blood every chapter"

I also don't remember any implications that Lacroix sired a ventrue neonate.

Is this lore coming from a dev interview or is it headcanon?

>>16292067

As a side question to those who know the lore better: How is the embrace different than normal feeding besides the fact that it produces a new vampire?

>>16292136

>This thread is the first time I'm hearing about "cain fucking with your blood every chapter"

Lacroix's Dominate works on you in the early game and fails in the endgame. Dominate doesn't work on vampires of lower generation than the user, so this suggests that your generation was lowered at some point during the game.

>>16292161

The victim is completely drained and then given a bit of the vampire's own blood. If the vampire just drains someone, he's just dead. If the vampire just feeds someone his blood, that person becomes a ghoul.

>>16292210

Dominate can also be resisted by willpower tho

>>16292246

It can, but Bloodlines doesn't have the Willpower stat. Lacroix always succeeds at first and always fails at the end, regardless of your stats. It might just happen that way for plot reasons, but if your generation is actually lower it makes more sense.

>>16292163

imagine the kind of mindset you need to have to write something like that and think it's a good idea to include in a rulebook for a roleplaying game

>>16292210

Wouldn't it make more sense for Caine to nullify Lacroix's dominate ability than to straight-up lower the neonate's generation?

Was just reading a steam thread that suggested Lacroix's early dominate successes might be due to penalties suffered by the player due to confusion or inexperience, while later on Lacroix might be suffering his own penalties. Honestly that makes more sense to me than Caine directly interfering.

>>16289761

>A high-functioning autist sits on his ass all day, rising only to raise his serotonin levels, obsessing over something that gives him dopamine jolts

What if that something is philosophy? Or hard sciences? Or wildlife exploration? Or painting?

Calm down anon, there's a reason why autism is called a spectrum.

>>16292456

An autistic mind can't progress anon: on the rare chance that an autistic imprints any of those things as his sole focus, it will always be in a primitive, childlike capacity: an autistic artist will draw childish scribbles. There are plenty of examples of autistics who are focused on art and do just that. It's only a spectrum in so much as it is a spectrum of dysfunction. The end result is exactly the same, someone who is incapable of higher thought, and someone who doesn't provide a benefit to the tribe. Even homophiles and cripples can prove themselves useful. Autistics cannot and will not, they're parasites.

>>16292527

B-but muh autistic math and physics geniuses.

>>16292456

That reason is because of politics. You need to understand that the. people who writes the books for this shit are psychiatrists not neuroscientists.

>>16292527

Most modern low wage jobs can be accomplished with the brain development of a six year old. It's not like you even need to do math anymore to be a cashier. You can still contribute to society despite being a retard.

>>16290909

Pretty sure that's us with how much we say nigger and faggot.

>>16292535

Aren't those savants, though?

Reminder that everything you once loved will be ruined by politics, casualization, and greed.

You'll only call me a "blackpill nigger" because it hasn't hit your niches yet

>>16292741

I already know this though. Vampire fiction was already sanitized by the twilight series and ever since it's gone from something weird people were into into another bulldyke SJW tumblr project.

>>16292741

Redwall is still intact and unmolested after all these years. There's hope for humanity yet.

>>16292759

It happened sooner than that. Anne Rice and Buffy largely shat up and pozzed vampires and introduced the concept to the mainstream female public.

Just further proof women ought to be treated like cattle.

>>16292789

>Anne Rice

Anyone who would make a canon loli romance can't be all that bad.

>>16292826

You only watched that shit movie. You don't know the crimes against literature and humanity that fat cunt has committed.

>11.>Player is a thin-blood at first, choose a Clan later on

Hol up, weren't thin bloods just vampires from shit generation where they had some minor strength increase at best? Fuck guess they thought thin bloods are regular humans or choosing a clan will mean getting that sucky sucky on some stronger fucker.

>>16292850

If I only watched the movie, I wouldn't know Claudia/Louis was the canon pairing because that's only explicitly stated in a later book in the trilogy.

>>16291904

nWoD is in it's own weird limbo between being WoD and being it's own IP now so it'd be better to think of it as being a spinoff.

>>16292939

If it's not from the 90's or is the 20th anniversary edition, it's shit.

>>16292959

they get AIDS that vampire conservation magic can't cure.

That's why vampires go for middle/upper class people, children, and very young women.

>>16292942

>Who?

The abhorrent cunt that successfully lobbied to get Hotline Miami 2 banned in Australia.

>>16292964

Vampires are immune to the effects of disease. That includes AIDS.

>>16292780

DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS

>>16293050

They still become carriers, which makes them single-handedly responsible for horrific disease outbreaks if they don't get rid of the infected blood. See the relevant quest in the first one and only VTMB.

>>16293152

Since when do vampires care that kine get sick? Unless it violates the masquerade.

I need a mod where you can throw faggot kindred off of rooftops.

>>16293222

As long as that faggot is Christopher Houghton. I don't get why a game that includes Hollywood didn't include the vampire that built the place. I want my yandere shota.

>>16293212

For the same reason we would care if every chicken, cow, and pig started dropping dead from diseases that didn't kill humans.

>>16293319

A little thinning out of the herd is healthy.

>>16293212

>Since when do vampires care that kine get sick?

>Unless it violates the masquerade.

That's the thing, it does.

Vampire BTD = super magic AIDS = CDC and cie investigating looking for a patient 0 = entire teams of military/feds doctors looking up for people with anemia and bite marks as the symptoms = Major masquerade violation (as in enough to put the whole masquerade into jeopardy and to make <8th gen elders look into the case of who the fuck is rocking the boat).

It's the kind of shit even the Sabbat isn't doing.

>>16293356

>bite marks

Kindred can magically close their bites by licking them. This shouldn't be an issue. Besides, why would the people you feed from be getting infected? You are taking their blood, not giving them yours. If I remember correctly, the quest in Bloodlines involved people intentionally spreading disease.

>>16293356

>super magic AIDS

So some of your ghouls gets AIDS and eventually die because you have AIDS. That's not going to even be a blip on the radar.

>>16293498

Vampires can't ejaculate. They can have sex by sending blood there, but that's about it.

>>16293609

What baby?

>>16293618

the one they performed the smartphone casing removal ritual

>>16293626

I don't know what you are talking about, but only thinbloods can successfully produce semen.

>>16293666

>only thinbloods can successfully produce semen.

DAMN SATAN! Does that mean we'll be able to impregnate our ghoul waifu in this game?! The answer is no as long as Cara Ellison won't allow "male power trips"

>tfw you will never get a sabbat game where you play as a sick fuck tzimisce

>tfw you will never get to sleep out the day with a jar of dirt in a flesh cave

>tfw any hope of a tzimisce game has been pozzed to death

>>16295231

>>tfw you will never get a sabbat game where you play as a sick fuck tzimisce

>>tfw you will never get to sleep out the day with a jar of dirt in a flesh cave

>>tfw any hope of a tzimisce game has been pozzed to death

take matters into your own hands

>>16292624

That isn't contributing to society anon.

>>16295674

As long as you have a job and are paying taxes, you contribute to society.

>>16299473

Why would Smiling Jack be in the game? I thought he went to Africa and was living the pirate lifestyle after the events of the first game.

>>16299524

He probably won't be in the game, but he is still alive as of the current canon.

So if they retconned Gehenna and reinstated the oWoD canon, what happened to nu-WoD?

>tfw you will never have a game for the story of the VTM1 tremere vamp from the camarilla ending

>tfw will never browse dark tomes and learning the secrets of the world in the chantry

>tfw you will never uncover a secret Baali cult hiding amongst the Tremere

>tfw you will never purge or join the edgiest vampires

>>16300137

I was thinking the exact same thing.

>>16300109

>vampires still calling themselves antifa and fighting "nazis"

>vampires caring more about mortal race as much or more than clan

I guess they're supposed to be mostly neonates but this is still really fucking stupid

>>16300104

Art vs commerce is standard Toreador vs Ventrue politics. How many times are people gonna post these pictures?

>>16300210

Apologetics from projecting good faith due to nostalgia originated hope begins.

>>16300109

>gay

>Muslim

>newly turned

>somehow a leader

>hangs out with his old buddies

>nobody in vampire society is staking him for threatening the Masquerade so openly

>vampire giving a flying fuck about mortals and mortal politics when they already have their own shit to deal with

This is why you gas liberals.

>>16299664

It's based on fifth edition, which might as well be nu-WoD even if they are trying to pretend it isn't.

>>16300242

The shit isn't even out yet. I'm not gonna decide to shit in my own mouth over a series I love before it releases. We legit don't know until it's out, so I'm not gonna cuck myself out of some fun before we know what it's like. Honestly I might be a bit less principled than other users here, but if there's a few shitty things but the rest of the game is still good, I may still play it. Like, I can get over a few edgy NPC's, they're in no way as god awful as the endgame boss fights that make you want to gouge your own eyes out.

>Brujah character is edgy as fuck

gee what a surprise, never saw that one coming

I'm fine with others disliking it more than me, but it doesn't immediately insta ruin it for me. Maybe that's just me.

>>16299793

Do you mean the Sabbat or the Assamites? Honestly, the entire system was written by edgelords.

>>16300161

Whats even more stupid is that it takes supernatural vampires to fight against magatards and based negroes also how the fuck do any of those antifa vampires have the willpower to not commit masquerade violations when punching nazis or is keeping your blood drinking special snowflake powers underwraps too fascist for these morons

>>16300328

>series I love

There is no such thing, nostalgiatard. Franchise revivals are always marketing manipulations to harvest people like you and get you to proselytize for the game to people who haven't played the original.

>>16300255

>gay

Most vampires are gay. Feeding = sex, after all. Unless you exclusively prey on women, you are gay.

Him being newly turned makes sense why he still cares about his mortal life.

The rest is pretty dumb, though.

>>16300379

Heroin addicts like shooting up more than sex, but it doesn't mean getting high = sex.

>>16300404

Ah, the rage when the truth hurts someone is delicious. Regardless of whether it describes you personally, that's the intent behind it.

>>16300414

I know franchise revivals for money exist. I'm not stupid. Every company is in it for the money first. Every fucking sequel to any video game is for the purpose of profit, I've been here for years, I'm not a blind mongoloid. That's why I'm gonna torrent it first, assface. Heaven forbid we talk about video games that have the potential to be interesting on the fucking video game board.

And yeah, I'm gonna be angry at an asshole who labels me as akin to a sheep or a "person like you". You don't know me. Hell, you probably look like your mother did crack while she was pregnant and surgically had part of your anus skin grafted onto your face.

>>16300435

Feeding is a metaphor for sex, but it is not necessarily sexual (though it can be).

>>16300435

That's obviously to put it in context for you, the mere mortal reader, vampires are inhuman.

>>16300432

Yet you need to defend it and don't like people's rightful distrust.

>>16300458

Interesting perspective and a valid contribution to the topic.

>>16299473

Diablerie is ostracizing because it marks the aura of the vampire that did it with bloodlust.

AKA everyone that can use auspex can tell who has diablerized someone.

There is even one of the 13th clan, the assamites (largely a Sabbat/indy clan), whose main curse is this (they're addicted to other vampire blood and even if they've never diablerized anyone it looks like they did). And it's the reason why that clan is considered the least trustworthy of all and extremely prejudiced against. Even within the Sabbat (where murdering elders and drinking their blood is largely the core program) the practice is strictly ritualized and managed.

Answer me a simple question: would you trust a fucking cannibal?

That's what diablerie is: cannibalism, and you can't even hide the fact that you're a cannibal.

Now in a proper tabletop RPG this can be managed as would any sort of alignment conflict. But on a cRPG whose scope is much smaller and interactions extremely restricted it's the kind of thing it's a stupidly hard feature to balance with immersion.

It's the blood curse of the Assamites, that are therefore exclusively talked to when you need a cannibalistic murderer for hire / vampire suicide bomber, the reason why the Giovanni (diablerized and exterminated the Capadocians) aren't allowed to participate in either groups and why no one trusts the Tremere (diablerized and exterminated the Salubris).

You can't retcon that shit it's the basic features of SEVERAL major clans.

Who's gonna trust a cannibal hobo?

>>16299473

I'm pretty sure I heard Smiling Jack met his final death in this game's canon. Yes I have no proof, I will search for it posthaste.

>>16289612

>Another feature that's in like literally every game.

Except, ironically, the original vtm:bloodlines.

>>16300769

Still not sure why Jack being killed off is such a huge problem for some people. He comes across as someone who makes a lot of powerful enemies. One would expect him to get himself killed at some point.

Would they rather he be in the game and get totally neutered (at best) by shitty writing?

>>16289619

>all the abilities they mentioned with turning to mist and telekinesis are thinblood specific

why the FUCK do the castoffs suddenly get abilities that were once reserved for the likes of Dracula? This isn't even the worst of it, though. Once they reach five points in their own retarded version of thin blood alchemy, they can literally change sex. Yep, you read that right, the defining ability of the thin bloods is their ability to swap gender at will…

>>16292562

>psychiatrists not neuroscientists

Neuroscience isn't the best comparison. It ranks as one of the least reliable sciences in terms of repeatably of results. Psychiatry is actually more reliable when it comes to replication.

>>16308966

>implying I won't use thin blood powers just to grow two penises

>>16300649

There are sanctioned diableries due to bloodhunts, which in canon are used as bait for thinbloods to do the will of the camarilla. Doesn't mean everyone is gonna be okay with it though.

>>16309039

It is not a matter of reliability of the fields but more a matter of who makes the most money with the current standard. Reliability of the field doesn't matter when the people writing the books are being paid by pharmaceutical companies and their books are professionally marketed by those same companies in other fields. Psychiatrists themselves are complicit if they're not actively popping pills into your mouth every couple weeks to avoid an all or nothing cure they likely know exists.

>>16291908

>Rudi, who is a gay, black, Muslim SJW who fights against oppressive misogynists and the patriarchy

At least its funny.

>>16300279

So it's a faggot LARPing as a mudslimette to try to dupe kebabroaches into assraping him.

>61% match

>with that mess

If that doesn't make the one searching re-examine their life nothing will.

>>16309174

>which in canon are used as bait for thinbloods to do the will of the camarilla.

It's not canon, it's retcon, you fucking shill.

The SABBAT is who is organizing sanctioned Diablerie in older lore.

"Luring the thin bloods" FFS the Camarilla kill thin bloods on sight! AGAIN the Sabbat is the ones that sometime use them as canon fodder (and might let them join, possibly through diablerie if they did some amazing feat).

There is a fucking OFFICIAL Camarilla office (like Baron, Primogen, Prince, Sheriff, etc…) called the Scourge which sole and only job is to hunt and kill them and there is (at least) once Scourge per Domain, because they're Mascarade violation on legs.

>>16308966

>Once they reach five points in their own retarded version of thin blood alchemy, they can literally change sex. Yep, you read that right, the defining ability of the thin bloods is their ability to swap gender at will…

I checked the book because I didn't believe you, and it turns out they can actually do this with only one dot in thin-blood alchemy. I guess that makes sense, because it's more or less a weaker, more specialized Vicissitude 1.

>>16309953

I'm not a shill, fuck you and your mother. I'll fist you in a leather outfit and you'll like it, you fucking ass pirate.

>>16300109

They do know that the setting requires western kine for kindred to exist right? For that matter how and why would our queer muslim friend even be considered part of that?

>>16307257

>>16310246

> the defining ability of the thin bloods is their ability to swap gender at will

All the SJW shit in whitewolf and 5th Edition of the game is just fucking terrible and makes my heart sink knowing gamergate died

>>16289139

Why care about a long list of features, when its a sjw game? Thats all there is to know. The game is dead to gamers.

>>16310500

>gamergate died

[citation needed]

>>16289139

>Guns exist and are treated as temporary opportunities, you pick em up, use it, then discard it and move on

Fuck this shit in particular, so I cannot build/play an/as Auspex/Celerity gunslinger Torie any more? Even Cishonored give you pistol and crossbow and you can have many fun with it if you are so inclined. There goes my dream of gun-nut Torie.

Isn't Cara Ellison the same woman that tanked Dishonored? The same one that for narrative purposes had a ship and a journal added to Dishonored 2 because she can't tell a story for shit without aping the format of Mass Effect? Strap yourself in for being a black jewish disabled lesbian, she did everything but the Jew part in Death of the Outsider.

Gentleman, we've found the new Hamburger Helper.

>>16330747

Yep. By the way I like how people who defend this game always ignore her completely when they talk about writers.

>>16330822

Mitsoda is also dead anyway. He did some isometric zombie rpg thing, dead state iirc and it was bland as fuck.

>>16330747

Yes. She also writes a bunch for (((rockpapershotgun)))

>>16310500

For a game made in literally Stockholm it's impressive how long it took to get the poz

Why did the endings in VTM:B suck so hard

>>16291701

It only matters if it's shit. Otherwise there's no reason to play it.

>>16330247

The citation is real life.

Yeah its probably going to be trash but you can bet your beautifully buttered biscuits I'm still going to pirate it.

>5.Game has modding support, available Day 1

Eh maybe mods will fix it. I mean if they can make a steaming load of shit like Skyrim fun enough to sink several hundred hours into then a decently made but pozed game might be relatively easy to patch up.

>>16289139

Why didn't you mention in your long list there the creative director stating they plan to interweave the politics of modern times into the story, and how seattle is the perfect place for it. eg. sjwism will be ingrained into vtmb2.

Or how it's being managed by a small noname studio with barely any experience.

>>16289268

There are several issues here. Diablerie leaves a stain on your soul, which can be seen by other vampires who can see auras, so like half of them. The "peace loving" muslim vampires are constantly hunted because they have this look in their soul regardless of diablerie, and get attacked for it constantly.

Also, then there is the fact that if a higher gen vampire diablierizes a lower gen vamp, there is a strong possibility their soul and conciousness will win, and eat the diablerizer instead. Like the Tremere primogen, who diablerized the salubri primogen.

Oh, it's also fucking retarded.

>>16289318

Yeah, not just preoders, but dlc as well, with no gameplay even shown yet.

>>16289576

I can't wait to laugh at it, and mock her on twitter. Then promptly get banned because of course she can't handle the bantz

>>16289576

I'm going to have to listen to my coworkers tell me about how good it is and how I'm just a contrarian for disliking it and that the old one was just clunky and artificial difficulty and had poor writing and didn't have lootboxes and no they wont play it they just know its like that.

It's an exercise in self restraint and discipline I don't think I have the strength to fulfill.

>>16289139

Bloodline… bloodline.

This word rings a bit like bigotry. You know, like "keeping your bloodline pure", the legacy of your ancestors, the good (or bad) attributes you inherit through genes. It also sounds very pro-family and pro-children… After the good work those talented devs put in the game, it really would be a shame if some people started to go to various forums and comment sections to voice their concern about the implications of the title, which isn't very inclusive or progressive. The dev would probably have to be far more open about their politics to clean their image…

>devs going all out with the poz

Looks like one international incident wasn't enough.