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>>16279204

Read the fucking catalogue before posting. There's at least 2 other threads on this same game.

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Nioh > Sekiro > Souls series

>>16279392

>Sekiro

>Better than any of the DS titles

I'd rather play DS2 Scholar of the Shit Enemy Placement than Sekiro.

It's incredibly mediocre. The world design is great, but the gameplay is a… step down from DS3. It has minimal combat options, and the main swordplay is an unchanging shallow mess. There's no real character building, and the stealth is somehow below assassin's creed in actual implementation. The grappling hook is context sensitive so no doing it to where you want, only at certain points.

>>16279213

>catalogue

opinion discarded :^)

>>16279404

>>16279392

Is this based on any actual experience with the game or just autism?

>>16279429

>but the gameplay is a… step down from DS3

>DS3

>Good design

So it's complete and utter shit??

>>16279547

No where did I imply that DS3 was good. Sekiro is just so void of any player agency it's awful. that And it has constant cinematic moves.

>>16279429

>the stealth is somehow below assassin's creed

There was stealth in asscreed?

>>16279392

Nioh doesn't even offer Keyboard and Mouse support, dogshit game.

it's very clearly and obviously an activision game. it plays it way too safe and shoehorns like five special mechanics into the game and doesn't go too in-depth into any of them. stealth and the bushido tools (upgrades for your robot arm) fall under this category. i am a long-time fan of bushido blade style combat in which one move can make the difference and this game sort of scratches that itch, in that it's more about being smart when you strike and not rolling in/striking/rolling out like dark souls. they played it too safe on this though and did nothing to punish button mashing. i'd give it a solid 6/10 in that what it does well it does better than well, but it's just got too much width and not enough depth

>>16279550

Well, a step down from ground level would be underground. Hence my question.

>>16279429

You know I wonder if we'll get any expansions to the game?

>>16279622

of course we will, it's activision and from. They even have the framework already there "BELL OF THE FORLORN LORD" or some shit.

>>16279633

Will we find out how much input activision put into things?

>>16279643

Supposedly it was only the promotional material and the betas. But it's still From who loves to have DLC.

>>16279204

Garbage.

>>16279646

>But it's still From who loves to have DLC.

I wish From would have loved to have some more fucking DLC for Bloodborne.

I quit the game about an hour in, the combat felt super shallow, and the stealth was shit, and the constant flow of cinematic finishers was very bothersome. I picked up again because I felt that I didn't get far enough to have a solid opinion on it. I beat the Butterfly Lady and the Horse General guy and I'm running around the fuck huge castle, trying to figure out where to go. Went in some underground dungeon and got fucking annihilated twice by a caster mini boss, to the point where I think I'm not supposed to fight him yet. So here's a review in green text format:

>fighting trash mobs in boring, tedious, shitty, unrewarding, unfun, and easy: huge fucking negative

>fighting the big trash mob guys is a PITA, so you gotta make sure to stealth kill them, which means using the level properly and not just charging in: positive

>fighting mini bosses ranges from decent to good: positive

>fighting horse boss was way too easy, easier than most mini bosses

>fighting the butterfly lady was a PITA until I figured out the game's system, at which point it became great: positive

>stealth is horrible, and it can be exploited against the piss poor AI: huge negative

>exploration was linear until I got to the castle, at which point it seems to branch out a bit, the castle was good, rest was meh

>grappling hook mechanic is shit, you can only use it at certain pre-defined spots, and those spots light up when you get near them, which is immersion breaking: negative

>the scripted snake section was shit, but the palanquin cracked me up

Butterfly Lady was hard until I figured out that the hint to "dodge her shit so you can hit her and lower her posture recovery" was a hindrance. Just parried as much as I could, hit her openings, killed the bitch in like 3 minutes.

>>16279594

That's a mini boss.

>>16279749

>/v/

>shitting on DMC5

>>16279761

>DMC5

>not amazing

You're both fags

>>16279774

And you're a nigger

>>16279820

Having ugly faces is a sign that the game is a secret Marxist and communist propaganda. Come on anon you should know this already.

>>16279204

my impressions, if you give a shit and want an actual answer:

>combat

>same r1 spam, but now with less variety

You get basic slashes, if you press circle to dodge toward an enemy you will do a spin slash toward them, and if you hold the r1 button, you get a "charged" r1 attack, but it doesn't seem like it's worth using.

>asscreed tier stealth

The levels are pretty huge and contain quite a bit of enemies, and the enemies will fuck your shit up if you try to fight them all at once, so you gotta get some silent kills here and there. The stealth isn't deep, it's very similar to asscreed; a small triangle will appear above an enemy's head, and if you're in their line of sight, it will begin to fill. If it turns yellow, they will move in to investigate, and if it turns red, that means they see you and combat will initiate. It serves its purpose well enough, nothing to write home about.

>"posture"

So, enemies can have their guard broken; this is achieved by constantly parrying all their attacks, and then counter attacking in between. The more parries you get, the faster their "posture" bar will fill, and when it fills completely, you can do a "deathblow", which will deplete a huge chunk of their health. Some enemies, especially bosses, require more than one deathblow in order to be defeated. Normal attacks do very little damage, but when you chip away at an enemy's health, you will increase your chances of breaking their guard. The game tries to imply that you have to carefully time your parries, but in reality you can just spam that shit until you get perfect parries. Remember MGR, where you had to parry fucking everything with Raiden? It's kind of like that.

>are there player stats?

You get vitality and attack strength, and that's about it. You need to collect four beads to increase your overall health, and you need to complete certain boss battles in order to increase your attack power. Your character is weak, most enemies can murder you in less than four hits.

>do you leave a bloodstain when you die?

No, but you do lose a certain amount of currency and experience points that would've gone to the next skill point. You need skill points to unlock skills from the skill tree. You won't lose skill points when you die.

>are there a variety of weapons to choose from? what about outfits?

Nah, as far as I can tell, anyway. Seems like you're stuck with the basic katana.

It's not like Dark Souls, that game is more about avoiding damage via i-frames (or shields) and punishing when appropriate. This game is more about breaking the enemy's guard and dealing critical damage.

Why not download and find out for yourself? http://fitgirl-repacks.site/sekiro-shadows-die-twice/

>>16279831

So this is just the MGR 2 we never got? Sounds pretty fun.

>>16279429

And honestly, DAS3's combat was mediocre and dis associative as fuck, so if this is even worse, that's saying something.

>>16279845

If I were to give it my rating I'd give it a 4/10. It's annoying in every way. There are moments that you think "oh this is really nice" (mainly about exploration) and then you play the combat and are just bored out of your skull. It's just not a good game, at all. Like a good game is in there, it's just held back by from being too afraid to make it different from the souls games. Side note it reuses a ton of sound effects from DS3.

That's what makes it so annoying to play, it could've been good, but no it had to be this "open world souls style game" but they just strip features from the already bare combat.

>>16279842

If MGR was made on an engine that just isn't meant for what they were trying to go for. This is MGR on the fucking WoW engine.

Looks like the major complaint comes from people instinctively choosing the safest and slowest way of beating tougher enemies: parry and run away for an extremely long time, slowly build up to a deathblow, repeat. The risk of death is very high so it's understandable, but it's going to be a slog if that's all you do.

>>16279861

actually parrying and attacking when you can is the fastest way. Parrying does far more stance damage than any other option you have. And normal enemies become a complete joke once you get the "I kill U and Ur now my friend" move.

>>16279863

Dodge counters to lower health (which weakens posture regen) and properly countering "dangerous" attacks is important too. The damage taken for fucking up is really high though.

>>16279855

you're almost forced to use the axe against the shield enemies otherwise it becomes too much of a slugfest

there's also a mini boss that throws a flurry of strikes, not as rapid fire but reminds of fighting against monsoon.

>>16279863

air hiking sweep attacks and stomping thrust attack does a lot of posture damage and is better than deflecting/parry because sometimes they pushback so fucking hard you can't counter attack.

Posted in the other thread because I searched for Sekiro and this thread didn't show up.

I don't really "get" this game. How do you fight?

There's no stamina bar from what I can tell. My strategy is just mashing attack until they parry, then parrying their counter, then mashing attack again. It was working until they start shoving you into boss arenas with one boss and six or seven minions that clump up and parry everything then ohko you in one group attack.

I'm still in the starting area and then did the thing with the bell and the buddha but even that area is the same thing. One boss and five little guys who just parry everything and refuse to stop grouping together.

I almost want someone to tell me I'm retarded and somehow skipped the mechanic that makes fights into less of a chore.

>>16279882

you're retarded, enemies are very dumb and have low iq, so you can abuse the stealth, run around and hide to drop their agro and then keep stealth killing, until there is no more mobs and there is only the boss left, stealth kill the boss and fight the boss.

>>16279887

>run around and hide to drop their agro and then keep stealth killing

Fuck, I was afraid of this. The stealth in this game is awful. Is it actually going to end up being the majority of the combat?

>>16279868

I'd say that falls into parrying because it's in the "reacting to an enemy's move and not dodging away" category.

And you're full of shit because dodge countering is a far inferior option unless the boss is at absolutely full HP is worth less than just sticking on his ass. Exceptions include non-human enemies in which they have so much HP and are so slow and lumbering the natural lull in attacks will let them regen more stance than you just cost them.

>>16279882

You didn't really miss anything, combat is the weakest part of the game hands down. Just do the braindead stealth mechanic to whittle away at them. If you get caught run away and grapple to somewhere they can't reach for 4 seconds until they either decide to de-aggro or walk into a wall for the rest of time. This is the pussy way to play of course.

how this game on PC? Is it properly playable with a keyboard and mouse?

>>16279761

>1st pic

He looks like if he was in a cartoon he'd be voiced by Adam Sandler.

>>16279891

You're including jumping on the guy and dodging grabs in "parrying", then. Reacting to the different attacks is important, I'm talking about stuff like >>16279882 where it's parry-only and run away if they do something else.

>>16279896

No problems with KB+M so far.

>>16279888

for mini bosses yeah, you can choose not to do it

>>16279874

I completely missed the axe attachment so shield faggots still pose a problem for me. I'm guessing you're talking about the metal claws mini boss? He's definitely a "Get down the parry rhythm and you win" fight.

I think you're right on the stomping part too. I saw Lady Butterfly deal damage to me by jumping on me and found out it works against enemies as well. A lot of mechanics are the same for you and the enemy. I still can't beat the headless ghost miniboss. Once you're terrified, everything OHKOs you.

>>16279888

Until you get a lot more tools, health, and attack power. You're going to have to stealth most enemies. Now I'm strong enough to where I don't have to stealth to win. But I still do so for annoying enemies like shotgun users.

>>16280050

parry rhythm? you just mash it and dodge and hit

My take on the game

>+

>Fun combat that isn't completely a spam fest, requires you to parry, dodge, and jump

>game is challenging due to extremely limited health pool

>areas are smartly designed in ways that allow you to tackle enemies in multiple ways including out right avoiding them

>story isn't shoved in your face, gets straight to the point

<-

<ninja prosthetic abilities aren't that special, they just feel like items that share one ammo type that refills on kills

<the stealth mechanic is very bare bones, enemies don't react to dead bodies, sound isn't a factor with most enemies, line of sight is very hit and miss

<souls elements shoved in despite this game not being part of the souls series, bonfires, flasks, losing xp when you die

<grappling hook can only hit premarked locations and isn't free fire

Solid action game with light stealth elements, but nothing special

You can tell this game was a repackaged tenchu reboot

>>16280050

The axe is very early in the Hirata estate, where you can eavesdrop two thieves talking about burning down a shrine.

Should I cure the Dragonrot immediately? I fear I'll keep fucking up and get even more infected so not sure if I should save it until it can cure more than two people.

No idea how rare those consumable offerings are.

>>16280314

You can buy more from vendors IIRC. Use what you have to cure the ones that are affected, i don't know how long until they die from it though. I never took the chance to find out once i had some ready.

>>16279882

Charge attacks are unblockable unless the enemy deflects, which normal enemies rarely do. Use the Whirlwind Slash to hit multiple enemies at once. Also make sure to unlock the follow-up attacks for prosthetic tools as soon as you get the Prosthetic Arts skill tree.

It's ok, not worth full price.

It's Osu! in Dark Souls form.

>>16280322

There's only a limited number from vendors, you can absolutely fuck your game by dying too much.

>>16279826

They're not ugly though anon, just animated weirdly.

>>16279887

Except that's really fucking boring, honestly the game isn't even that bad it's just the combat and stealth system which is pure ass and a slogfest half the time.

I've played it for about 8 hours now, not finished yet.

>parrying is unforgiving but it trivializes many insane enemies so you gotta learn it

>areas are more open ended than any souls game

>i hate fighting bosses in this game they are tedious

>every time I beat a hard enemy I think "thank god that is over" rather than any sense of accomplishment

>areas are all mountainous and repetitive

>atmosphere is good, shinto-buddhist bloodborne, very unique

Overall nioh is better gameplay wise but the rest is better for sekiro. I can't decide if I like or hate this game. The boss fights are just awful. There's not 1 second of breathing room, which means you are meant to go in, die and die again while trying to learn his patterns so you can simon says him to death once.

>>16280441

>simon says

That is the best way to describe this qte induced sleepfest.

>>16280446

>QTE

what the fuck man? I just can't understand that complaint. How is it less legitimate any other action game just because you have to block at a specific time instead of dodging at a specific time?

>>16280454

Because it's a constant with every enemy, if it was more focused on boss or semi-boss fights who had their own moveset it would be more interesting.

>>16280441

>Overall nioh is better gameplay wise but the rest is better for sekiro

I feel somewhat similarly.

Sekiro > Nioh

>Better story

>Better aesthetics

>Better outdoor level design (mainly for adding hook and more ways to traverse it)

>Stealth, it's a bit janky but still a nice addition

>Open world as opposed to mission style

Nioh > Sekiro

>Better combat

>More skills and the passives aren't as bland

>Much better weapon variety

>Levelling up and spending points to create your own build feels rewarding, is fun and offers more replayability

>Ninjutso and magic were great alternative playstyles

>Armour and weapon drops alongside set bonuses and stats you can get really autistic with

>Better indoor level design (that bathhouse for example is really neat)

>Playable loli

>Co-op

Don't get me wrong, the loot system in Nioh is one of my major gripes with the game but I'd rather have a messy one than none at all. And not letting you dress up the alternative skins was gay

>>16280470

That's the case for dodging in Bloodborne for instance as well, yet I've never heard anyone call that QTEs because of it. It doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

>>16280470

wut

blocking/parrying in Sekiro isn't fundamentally that different from most other Souls/MGR/most other modern action games where you can parry attacks

sounds like you don't exactly know what it is you want

>>16280475

Thing is, in bloodborne it was part of the game to dodge. You had no other way of avoiding damage. In sekiro you have dodge, jump and block. But if you block when you're supposed to dodge, or dodge when you're supposed to jump you are fucked.

Hence the simon says.

>>16280481

Dark souls has no unblockable, unparryable bullshit.

>>16280485

>>16280486

Fuck off nigger, by that logic Dark Souls is a QTE game as well because you can't block grabs. It just sounds like you're looking for some excuse to not learn the game.

It will be a little while before I play, going to try DMC5 DMD and maybe some Bloody Palace from 4 before the BP for 5 is released. So likely two weeks from now.

Anyway, there seems to be some disappointment here with Sekiro. I was skeptical with From Soft moving into the action game genre, rather than the ARPG stuff they had been doing for a decade with Souls and Bloodborne. I might like it, but some things I've read have me worried.

>>16280485

Yeah, you're right. In DaS, you could block 90% of the attacks, and you could dodge 100% of them. In Sekiro, enemies get arbitrary tracking, so you can really only dodge attacks that were specifically made to be dodged out of or into for the step-on-snek counter, outside of flukes like sprinting out of the enemy's range. You can only jump over specific attacks that were made to be jumped over, outside of again, flukes, where you somehow hop over the enemy completely and his tracking breaks. It feels like you don't get to choose how to avoid attacks, instead you're limited to one way to react to specific things.

>>16280494

>you don't get to choose how to avoid attacks

That's it, that's all it is. You're limited to what you can do in sekiro. Enemies in DS2 has insane tracking as well and that felt like shit too.

So it sounds like they went more for the straight action game style they have been wanting to make since Bloodborne, and staying true to the From formula they didn't quite get things right. The game sounds like spam parry to win. And they still have the fucking horrendous tracking on grab attacks?

>>16280430

Yeah, multiple phase bosses should be an exception so they catch you off guard and make the fight more memorable. When they are common it's just expected and boring.

>>16280472

There is nothing wrong with mission style. It just depends on how the game is designed and in Nioh's case it works well. Take Dark Souls 2 though and the world is so fucked it would have probably been better as a mission based structure or closer to Demons Souls.

>>16280485

Is there any consistency or way to know what can be blocked? Or is it just trial and error to get the right damage avoiding option?

>>16280498

Anything that does not have a symbol coming with it can be blocked. But you really want to perfect parry, otherwise you take a massive hit to your health and stamina (posture).

>>16279759

seething red orb microtransaction poster

>>16280498

>There is nothing wrong with mission style

Not saying it's objectively bad, it's just not what I prefer. Detaches me from the world and makes everything feel a bit more 'gamey', especially with how Nioh handled it.

Demon's Souls handled it excellently, you were never 'brought out' of the game and instead went to new areas through in game mechanics. Compared to Nioh where you just select a new place on a map and suddenly you're there.

Demon's Souls also had consistent 'open' worlds which were only split in 5 (IIRC) compared to Nioh where pretty much no mission or area feels connected.

>>16280494

>>16280497

I really don't know what to say, it seems like the game simply isn't for everyone. As someone who's been playing fighting games for years it's totally natural for me that you have to respond to certain actions in specific ways so I have a hard time comprehending posts like these.

>>16280512

>it seems like the game simply isn't for everyone

I like the Souls games. I like Bloodborne, and I like Nioh. I even enjoyed Ashen for what little I played of it. If the game isn't for people like me, for who is it?

>>16280512

It's about action vs reaction. Sekiro is completely about reacting. In the souls games you have more control over how a fight goes. You just have more options.

And yeah the limited amount of viable reactions is why I hate fighting games.

It's garbage were the "gameplay" is just parrying to win, but le hardcore gamers will love it because they can brag with playing shit games.

>>16280523

I don't get what options you're talking about. When comparing both games

>blocking

>dodging

<blocking

<dodging

<jumping

Sekiro gives you more ways to avoid damage, you just need to be mindful of when to use each one. To me that's much more interesting than being able to avoid everything with only one button. In fact it reminds me a bit of Tekken where you have to memorize each string and know when to duck or sidestep, so yeah if you don't like fighting games I guess it makes sense that you wouldn't enjoy Sekiro either.

>That snake segment

Holy fuck that was intense. Saw someone complain about it earlier but I liked it.

Any hidden loot besides Snap Seed? Seems like a good spot to hide something at.

>>16280562

<Dark Souls has two options

>They're almost always viable, you'll know when one is better than the other

<Sekiro has three options (maybe more later on, I don't know)

>It's arbitrary as to what works and what doesn't. If the game doesn't intend for you to dodge, you'll get fucked dodging. If the game doesn't intend for you to jump, you'll get fucked jumping.

<Three options that are more liberating vs two options that always work and can be used at your discretion

>>16280605

You can't block grabs in Dark Souls, so isn't that an "arbitrary restriction" as well then? Why is okay if Dark Souls does it? Then there's also the fact that you can actually parry every attack except for grabs in Sekiro but Mikiri/jumping on the enemy gives you a bigger reward for sweeps/stabs.

>>16280613

Actually, I'm not 100% sure if you can parry sweeps, you can parry stabs for sure though. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Dark Souls has "arbitrary unblockables" too, so why isn't that an issue there?

>>16280613

Yeah, but you can dodge a grab, you stupid nigger, while you can't dodge a sweep or most regular attacks in sekiro.

>>16280628

So the concept of restricting your defensive options itself isn't bad but for some reason you don't like how it works in Sekiro? To me that sounds just like

>this doesn't work like it does in Dark Souls so I hate it

>>16280613

Grab > block because it's logical.

Swipe > dodge because it penetrates your invulnerability frames

Thrust > jump because we can only have one move meant to be avoided this way

These are my issues with it.

>>16280633

Actually I hate Sekiro because it's a game that relies exclusively on it's tempo and rhythm and a lot of the time that tempo isn't there.

So does outright dying instead of resurrecting affect dragonrot? Also have 2 pink resurrection slots yet I can only resurrect once.

>>16280472

How toaster friendly is either game?

Also why is the game easier on mouse and keyboard? It's far more playable.

>>16280658

Both run good on my PC with max settings on a gtx 970. 8gb and amd 8350.

Sorry don't really know how well performance scales when you drop the settings down.

>>16280662

it was made for the west

>>16280645

>Thrust > jump because we can only have one move meant to be avoided this way

You can do a thrust attack of your own which will damage blocking enemies, so it kind of goes both ways

>>16280645

Thrusts technically don't be jumps since you can still avoid them that way. Jumping over sweeps seems perfectly logical as well so I don't think it's unreasonable to punish you for not doing so. Anyways, it doesn't seem like arguing about this kind of shit will lead anywhere. As I already said earlier this just isn't a game for everyone.

>>16280673

Adding further inconsistencies doesn't make up for the first.

>>16280686

The proper way to incentivize jumping over a swipes should be that it's easier than dodging, not that it's a magical attack that penetrates your invulnerability frames.

Personally I think the combat system is okay (Nioh does it better), but I can also see issues with it.

>>16280694

From what I've gathered, there's two ways of dodging most melee attacks; one for safely avoiding and dealing health damage, and a riskier action for huge posture damage. Basically for sweeps you can jump for posture damage or dodge backwards and follow up with a counter for health damage, and for thrusts you can deflect only for posture damage or dodge sideways and counter for health damage. Usually dodging sideways/backwards is the safer option (people seem to forget you can dodge backwards from sweeps)

>>16280694

Given the fact that i-frames are basically magic in the first place that doesn't really sound too weird honestly.

Also consider what >>16280708 said, dodging backwards works as well for avoiding sweeps.

The reason I prefer this game's combat over Nioh's is that the attacks and parries feel a lot more impactful in terms of sounds and animations, even though Nioh is more complex the lack of feedback makes it less satisfying than it should be. I've always preferred Ninja Gaiden over DMC for the same reason, so it's a shame that Team Ninja fucked up in that regard with Nioh, it's still a good game though.

>>16280705

>I haven't even gotten to the first boss fight (which is the mounted samurai) but let me decide for you whether to play this game or not

>>16280714

I'm sure that he would've quit even faster had he actually gotten to that throwaway fuck of a boss.

>>16280739

What's wrong with him though?

>>16280714

>Given the fact that i-frames are basically magic in the first place that doesn't really sound too weird honestly.

It's all about consistency, either you have an i-frame system or you don't. That's why I can see where the other anon is coming from with his argument about what avoidance can be used for what feels a bit arbitrary and more forced.

>You can sidestep a regular horizontal slash with i-frames

>You can't sidestep a horizontal slash classified as a sweep attack

>dodging backwards works as well for avoiding sweeps.

I feel like souls and Nioh handle the risk/reward better without forcing you into a special dodge direction. In those you also give up on your offensive potential by dodging backwards and dodging to the side whilst more dangerous lets you follow up with attacks more consistently.

>The reason I prefer this game's combat over Nioh's is that the attacks and parries feel a lot more impactful in terms of sounds and animations

I agree that it's better in that regard but it's not enough to make it the combat overall better.

>>16280749

Between him being slow as shit, and having literally one threatening attack in the form of the spinmove, his "thrust" attack being him throwing the spear at you, or the fact that he's literally a throwaway first attempt boss? If anything, Lady Butterfly is the first boss, and she's slightly better, but absolutely didn't need a second phase that plays out almost the same with some additional projectiles and worthless summons you can avoid by sprinting in a circle.

>>16280766

>>You can sidestep a regular horizontal slash with i-frames

>>You can't sidestep a horizontal slash classified as a sweep attack

yeah it makes sense if you put it that way. I guess if you try to consider dodging as a main option of defense rather than a situational thing it's going to bother you a lot more than if you just try to parry most of the attacks.

>I agree that it's better in that regard but it's not enough to make it the combat overall better.

Well it's a pretty subjective thing anyways but another aspect that really hurt the combat for me was the low enemy variety and the RPG elements which fucked with the balance in a lot of places. Enemies could be complete pushovers or have way too much health depending on your weapon level and armor bonuses.

>>16280767

>slow as shit

>one threatening attack

I agree that he could have been harder but it's alright for the first boss, definitely not a "throwaway fuck" and there's absolutely no reason to quit the game because of him.

>his "thrust" attack being him throwing the spear at you

I don't see how that's a bad thing.

<Herb Catalogue Scrap:

>"The 'Snap Seed' naturally grows in ravines and deep valleys.

According to the denizens of the Sunken Valley, such places are appropriate for offering oneself in marriage to the Great Serpent.

If one wishes to become a bride, they must enter the belly of the Serpent in the valley."

Before I throw my life away, is there some secret if you get eaten by the snake where you can loot those Snap Seeds?

>>16280813

I don't think so but I also didn't even try to do anything other than grabbing the seed and then running away.

>>16280813

>marrying a snake

What the fuck are you doing?

>>16280486

uwotm8? There's a fair amount of shit you can't block or parry in Dark Souls.

>>16280777 (checked)

I don't need or want my hand held outside of the beginning tutorial. Having on-screen prompts popping up every 10 seconds while you're running around is obnoxious.

I played 7 hours yesterday and loved it. It will not have as much replay value as soulsborne games, the story is linear and out in the open instead of "lore" which I'm tired of. I love the mobility and stealth, and facing foes you really have to think about how to tackle, gets my heart beating as hell.

If you're not sure just pirate or buy later on sale if console. PS4 version is variable framerate on Ps4Pro, it's mostly stable 30 fps with jumps to 60 fps in smaller scenes or areas.

>>16280891

Obvious shill is obvious. Try using less buzzwords next time.

>>16280891

Why the fuck did I get whiplash reading this?

>>16280486

Alright, let's see you block Ceaseless Discharge's magma spray. Oh, wait, how about parrying Asylum's LITERALLY FUCKING ANYTHING? Maybe you'd like to show us how you managed to block or parry the firestorm from Bed of Chaos or its fucking sweeps? Even better, try parrying Artorias' shit.

Fuck you, man, I don't even really like this game and saw your post from the front page. You are so full of shit you have gout.

>>16280944

>all the enemies in sekiro are like bed of chaos and ceaseless

Oh shit, you sure proved how fun Sekiro is.

>>16280915

>>16280906

I was waiting for some kind of cross between Tenchu and soulsborne and at this point it's what I've expected. I don't really get the shill argument here.

Which prosthetic tools are worth upgrading? Have mostly been getting use out of the flame barrel + oil for mini bosses and the axe for shield fags.

Fire cracker is good on its own and too situational to upgrade, shuriken only deals decent damage against trash mobs where it's not needed and many can deflect them.

Haven't really figured out how to use that raven's mist yet, even if I 'activate' it I can't move away when struck, or what ever it's supposed to do.

>>16280950

>Let me move the goalposts!

They said there was no unblockable or unparryable attacks in Dark Souls. There's plenty. Even among the nonboss enemies they exist. The main combat of Sekiro is to parry attacks and dodge attacks you can't parry. That's why the game gives you a "PAY ATTENTION MOTHERFUCKER" icon when something comes up that a parry can't stop.

>But how do I know-

If you're not sure Wolf can leap a million fucking miles away anyway. If you think you're sure you can take a gamble on reading the animation for faster kills. I'm a little confused when people say they don't have options when one is literally almost always viable (Leaping away) at the cost of slowing down the fight. If you're serious about taking down the bigger enemies, eliminate the surrounding enemies so they don't bother you and you can focus. In Dark Souls you can

>Block most attacks (with varying viability)

>Parry some attacks (Much, much fewer than you can block)

>Dodge almost every single attack with positioning and I-frames

In Sekiro you can

>Parry most attacks

>Dodge almost every single attack

>Leap away from almost every single attack

>>16280970

You're not entirely and completely negative, ergo, you're a shill. Lurk more.

>Game tries to throw multiple enemies at you

>Camera bugs the fuck out

>>16281019

The camera is absolute ass and will some times lose lock on if an enemy moves too quickly.

>>16280996

Sperg out elsewhere, autist.

>>16281030

>I forgot how to respond, so I'll just lob a generic insult and run away

k

>>16280994

There are a few tools that you probably haven't come across which are really neat and useful so you might want to save the materials until you've found more because they seem to be fairly rare. The upgraded Flame Vent is worth it for sure and the Shurikens become much better with a few upgrades, haven't bothered to try out the fire crackers though. I have no idea how to use the Raven's Mist yet either.

Have there been any “amazing chests” found in the game yet?

>fighting the sewer ninja

>game loses lock on once every two seconds

>my camera goes into a wall every three seconds

The shit just keeps piling up.

>>16279204

>souls fan

How do you niggers still exist after the shitfest FROM has turned the series into after DS1.

Damn there is so much cool shit in this game. I'm in one of the final areas right now and they introduced a new status effect which makes you move around like an old person, using your sword as a crutch. The enemy and level design as a whole has been incredible so far.

>>16281277

you forgot that it reduces your max hp to so low that 99% of the time it's inflicted upon you, it's basically instant death.

>>16281281

Only if there's a normal enemy around. If it's just the dudes who can cause it you can dodge their grab and deathblow them to get rid of the effect.

The worst thing about this game for me is the music. There isn't a single memorable soundtrack so far. The music isn't on par with most FROM games or games with a similar setting.

Why are the minibosses so much harder than the actual bosses? The game is really starting to feel like a second job to play, every time I open up a path and think "yay, new are to explore" I'm fogwalled off with some gascoigne/maria cunt and when I finally get passed them I meet another special fuck not 2 seconds down the road. I just died and got two dead NPC's for the price of one, thanks for making me feel bad for playing the game From. The combat mechanics are fine, the weapon and skill progression are great, the presentation is beautiful, but I'm just not having fun, it really does feel like a labour to play. It also feels like half the "mini"boss fights I win purely by luck as to weather my parry spam hits the right frames of not.

>>16281289

It's still more annoying than it is threatening. Really wish they would've just done something else. Also check the bottom of the lake for a headless.

>>16281297

Because it's a bad game.

>Demon Souls

>Dark Souls

>Dark Souls 2

>Dark Souls 3

>Bloodborne

<Sekiro

<Five games before Sekiro

<Still can't figure out what the fuck their games are good at, what their specialty is, and how to capitalize it

How does this happen?

>schichimen warrior

I'd honestly be fucking surprised if the DaS2 team wasn't behind this trashfire of a game.

>>16281249

Here's a tip, on smaller enemies don't use lock-on and stick to their backs, after around 1 to 2 hits dodge to their backs and repeat this, they might have an insane amount of tracking.

Now you can actually dodge attacks. Don't work well against spears though, too much range.

>>16280441

>parrying is unforgiving

You can spam the parry button and catch every swing

>dark souls

>good

>>16281313

>How does this happen?

They got lucky with the first two, and have no idea how to recapture that or build on it in a meaningful way. You can feel how lost they are in the later games.

Lord Shota Snatcher at the top of the castle is kicking my fucking ass. I feel like I'm missing something.

>>16279429

>a… step down from DS3

How the fuck do you step down from 'mash weak attack or mash dodge depending on if the boss is attacking or not'

Is there only one button now instead of two?

>>16281373

Actually, yes.

>>16281373

He's just talking shit. There's more to the combat in this game compared to Dark Souls.

>>16280944

You can block the sweeps though? I had a sorcerer with 0 points in endurance and a +14 heater shield that could just barely block the sweeps without getting guardbroken. You just need to face into them. With the black iron greatshield or havel's shield you can basically block anything. Hell, as long as BoC's flame pillars aren't erupting underneath you, you can block them by running into them. Sure, you can't parry bosses that aren't Gwyn. You're right about that. But I don't think there's anything in the game other than grabs that can't be blocked, and you can mash out of most grabs.

>>16281390

what the fuck

Any patches or memebro reference?

>>16281400

Against the regular enemies, you mash L1 until they bonk themselves off of you, and then you hit R1 once to do an ebin cinematic kill. If it's a regular enemy with a spear, you dodge into him and hit R1 for an instant kill.

Is there really a mechanic that warns you when a hard hitting attack is coming with a big red box over your head or am I seeing this wrong?

>>16281411

There is and it doesn't help; since it signifies a thrust, grab or sweep, all of which need to be countered differently and all of which are guaranteed to have either bullshit low startup frames or bullshit random ass delay.

>>16281411

There is, that attack is unblockable and can be countered in 3 ways. If it's a sweep you jump at the enemy and deal… really pittling amounts but still does stance damage, if it's a thrust you dodge at them and deal a ton of stance damage, and if it's lightning you do this weird jump and it never really does it quite right but supposedly does shit. All of these negate the attack.

>>16281399

No, just play DS1. If possible avoid the Remaster and get the Prepare to Die edition.

>>16281399

play ninja gaiden BLACK or SIGMA and realize that souls games are for babies

>>16279204

>starting a souls thread on /v/

oh shit nigger what are you doing

>they unironically have another "forest full of invisible enemies" part

>because everyone liked that in DaS2

I'm actually, literally, unironically, totally, teenage-girl-tier done.

>>16281399

Nioh is more like Ninja Gaiden turned into an Action RPG.

>>16281505

I just wish it wasn't 80 fucking gigs

>>16281477

OH NO A VIDEO GAMES THREAD ON THE VIDEO GAMES BOARD WHATEVER SHALL WE FUCKING DO

>>16281441

And what if you love both, anon

>>16281411

It means it can't be blocked, some red attacks can be parried if you have the skill for it.

>>16281411

Red kanji over your head means hard hitting or insta-kill attack incoming. For earlier enemies the strong moves are slow and telegraphed so only a idiot would miss them while later enemies can be quite fast and that kanji is needed to know what the fuck is going on. there's a boss that is mainly a parry only fight with those telegraphed kanji moves mixed in so you can't just spam normal parry

>>16281292

I was honestly expecting more like this given how such a good fit it would be

When's a good time to murder that headless mini boss? I haven't found anything to help against that terror effect.

Currently I'm at the Ashina castle and cleared the Hirata Estate.

>>16281897

There is an upgrade for the Umbrella which makes it much easier do deal with terror attacks. You can buy the tool itself from a vendor in the castle but I'm not 100% sure if you can already get the necessary upgrade materials at this point.

I'm really liking this game and seeing all the soulsfags hate on it helps me understand why. I don't understand how you could prefer the souls i-frame roll spam combat. The removal of stamina feels really nice too.

>>16281933

I only really played DS1, how does this game compare?

>>16281905

Oh cool, already found the dude and been saving up some Sen for it.

Honestly I'm getting bored of it and I don't think I'm probably that far into it either. Current boss choices are the big guy on the horse or the drunk. Unless this really picks up soon, I'm not sure I'll finish it.

>>16281951

Not that anon, but it's not a souls game, it's a stealth action hybrid. If you play it like a soulsborne you're going to have a bad time.

has a nigger samurai, pass

>>16281951

I'll be honest.

I really don't understand why, outside of rest points, an estus replacement, and reviving from death, this game is touted as being in the same genre or even similar to Souls. One may as well compare Dark Souls to fucking classic Castlevania because of 'slow, considered combat'.

I'll do my best, though.

>Combat:

>Combat is essentially about breaking down an enemy's gaurd and then instakilling them. Midbosses and actual bosses need to have this done more than once.

>You have several methods to do this outside of stealth kills (which do work on minibosses assuming you can catch them - but it only knocks out one 'health bar'.), namely by parrying attacks and dodge-countering unblockable blows.

>This is essentially the core of combat, though you learn more abilities later, and gain access to more tools, this is it. Break their posture, kill them instantly. For most mooks it's a matter of a few blows, for some it's a short exchange.

>Exploration

>Much, much more vertical areas with more 'routes'. While some knock the grapple for not being free-aimed, it does allow for some freedom in choosing how you tackle an area. (High route to avoid combat, going around for safety, straight through for fights and resources, stealth for ease of traversal, etc)

>"Lore"

>hahahahahah fuck you

>Here's a straight up save-the-boy story for you

>Unlock some memories if you want I guess

>Item descriptions, I guess

>Character building

>Much much much more limited. HP, attack power, and special moves.

>That's essentially your whole character right there. You might get more 'lives' (more on that later) but that's all.

>The only gear you get is attatchments for your arm (And maybe variations on your estus?)

>Death

>The main gimmick (and the source of the title) is that the first time you're dropped after resting, you can get up again. On the spot. You can do this (when the game first introduces it) twice. It's recharged by killing and by resting. You get one rise in a combat encounter, and must flee if you want the second one before you slay your current enemy.

>True death removes a portion of exp towards the next skill point and some money. Depending on how well you play, you've got a chance to get it back automatically.

>Dying too often causes NPCs to get sick. Dunno if they die.

>>16281989

Because it's on the souls engine and borrows a shit load of assets from it? In addition to from being unable to make a new game, it handling storytelling similarly. The only real difference is the combat is worse, and there's almost no character building.

>>16282012

> it handling storytelling similarly.

With pure cutscenes, a linear (mostly) narrative, and a focus on a dynasty within psuedo-historic Japan?

The fuck are you smoking?

>>16282016

I mean characters saying dialogue with that same weird writing style. In addition to the other endings being the same shit from always pulls. Want to have your MC die instead of the lord? Well you better do this optional dungeon, eavesdrop twice in specific locations, and then you get a single choice at the end.

it's fun

The controls in this game are so unresponsive it honestly amazes me that it went gold like this. It's not like other games where the movements are very deliberate but instead they're literally just unresponsive. Especially with interchanging commands. Like quickly going into a block after an attack etc. It's seriously dogshit. They speed up the combat but the inputs don't keep up.

>>16279820

HOLY SHIT MASS DEFFECT ANDROMEDA JUST BECAME GOOD!

>>16282026

>the same shit from always pulls.

You mean once, in 3.

DS1 has a surprising ending at the time, but the only condition to get the second ending was

>Leave.

And in 2 I believe there was only one ending. If you do all the DLC and bullshit, you get a neat narrative reward in literally curing the curse forever for your character and getting to keep the benefits of it, but I don't think the ending changes. Demon's Souls I hardly remember, but I think it was a binary choice as well. 3 was the only game I recall with a roundabout nonsense weird unlock mechanisms. Bloodborne was a little wonk but it simply involved gathering a single type of hidden item and even had a little slack with one or two extras beyond what you needed.

I don't think you actually play these games, man.

>>16281986

>That game focuses on loot and grind too much, might as well be an entirely different genre, because I fucking hate that.

A-fucking-men. Could not agree more. I absolutely detest loot grinds and random loot and shit. Give me a well designed world/series of levels built with thoughtfully placed items and equipment instead of having the "game" be farming the same missions over again until you get blessed by RNGesus.

>Chained Ogre is raping me

Fucking hell.

>>16282099

But that's a watermelon.

>>16282084

Just don't eat the dropkick or people's elbow, you shitter.

These threads just remind me how anons need stats and different weapons to act as a crutch for them being shit at the game.

>>16282113

Those are easy. It's that fucking grab that will sometimes snatch me up even though I fucking jumped out of the way.

>>16282109

Most of the complaints on these threads seem to revolve around anons not being able to dodge, learn attack patterns, and parry. Its honestly sad that so many anons have relied on stats, weapons and gear to carry them through souls games.

>>16282121

If you are honestly having trouble you can hop up to the shrine and he won't deaggro so you can buy more spirit emblems to throw more shurikens if you want. A friend of mine did that to beat him.

>>16282126

Good, I hope they stay garbage then get bullied into suicide.

>>16282084

>clean up everyone surrounding him

>hear through eavesdropping that OH BOY, THE BIG BOY SURE IS SCARED OF FIRE

>stealth deathblow him

>thankfully found some oil in Hirata Estate

>throw an oil jar and use the fire prosthetic power

>big boy gets stunned and gives me the opportunity to wail on him for free

>rinse and repeat

>>16282084

if you go to the past and get the flame vent prosthetic it makes him a joke

I know some fag is gonna judge me but I want to transfer the save game from my pirate copy to the newly purchased steam copy. I paste over the file in appData and the game goes "failed to load save data". The pirate copy is working fine. Some trick i need to do? delete some log files in the game directory?

>>16281986

>pubg still massive

I assumed it had died down because I never head of it again

>>16282194

chinks need something to satisfy their hacking urge

I changed my mind. I love this game. That fucking guardian ape.

Anyone have tips for that purple ninja at the estate? I know you can cheese him if you run then stealth kill but I would rather do it legit. His movements are really erratic.

It's alright, I won't deny that I chewed on my controller a bit because I'm a big baby.

>>16282536

Boy, you're going to have a lot of fun at the part where you're forced to fight him in a 2x4 meter room, while the camera keeps going into the wall, and unlocking as soon as his attacks fucking bounce him off the screen. Just wail on him until he flops over, he doesn't have a lot of health, and his posture doesn't come back super quickly. And the top tip is to stop playing this awful fucking videogame

>>16282536

Seen people struggle with that guy so don't know if I just got lucky but he seemed to really struggle against side dodges, they made him overextend past me for easy free hits.

Managed to get him on first try.

>>16279882

There are two posture bars, one for you (bottom screen) and one for the enemy (either top screen or beneath the enemy's health bar). When the bar is full, the character's guard will break. Your meter fills fast, even while parrying, but as long as you get "perfect" parries, which are indicated by a golden aura and sparks around your weapon, your guard will not be broken, even when your meter is full. When an enemy's guard is broken, a red circle will appear on their body, and they will assume a vulnerable position, after which you make attack them and perform a death blow. Death blows deal huge portions of damage, and are the most effective way to defeat enemies in this game.

When the 危 Kanji appears, it means that your enemy will attempt to do a "perilous attack" that should either be appropriately blocked or dodged. If you successfully block this move, then their posture bar will fill marginally higher, if not then you eat shit and (likely) die. Some perilous attacks cannot be blocked, such as sweeping attacks, and must be dodged by dashing or jumping out of the way.

The objective of the game's combat is to learn an enemy's moves and parry everything they throw at you, so you can be the fastest sword in the east.

isnt sekiro like a 4 hour game? or does it focus on many replays?

>>16282645

5 hours in and I've only gotten up to the purple ninja

>>16282645

It's the standard souls length. So about 20 hours if you don't know where to go. 2 hours if you do. NG+ is the typical from NG+ meaning basically fuck all changes. There's almost no replayability unless you really want to get all endings

>>16282605

>good things about souls games was weapon variety, fashion souls and multiplayer

That alongside no build variety except for using a different sword art pretty much kills any re-playability for me.

Might revisit it if they make expansions for it otherwise I'll probably not touch it again after finishing. Likewise happy I didn't spend 60 fucking € on it, though it has kept me entertained throughout the weekend. I'd maybe pay a maximum of 20€ for what it offers but even then I've spent over 500 hours in Kenshi this year (which is at that price point) and I doubt I'll get more than 30 out of Sekiro.

>>16282652

huh, i thought (((game journalists))) said they finished it in 4 to 6. i dont know what you mean by purple ninja, but it sounds gay.

>>16282671

It's even better when you revive at a miniboss, after he walks away and "resets" and he instantly turns around because he just fucking knows you're there. The stealth and detection in general are ass, because it's completely arbitrary whether an enemy will start filling up the detection meter, instantly go to yellow and sprint at you to investigate, or instantly start combat. You can't even break line of sight and hide in bushes or something after engaging combat to hide or reset, since the enemies will magically know where you are, unless you get to a spot they physically can't reach, after which they'll reset to completely non-alerted in about ten seconds. The minibosses are by far the worst part of this, since if they see you, you might as well kill yourself or homeward bone, because, yes, you'll want to take half their health off with a stealth attack before fighting them, because every miniboss so far has more health than actual bosses and every single one except the fagmage consists of "parry repeatedly for minutes at a time and don't get hit by his bullshit gotcha move".

>>16282696

All you have to do is run a certain set distance away and ANYTHING will instantly completely lose you and start walking back to its original location. I don't mean going yellow, I mean the indicator disappears entirely and they forget you ever existed. With Minibosses, you know this has happened when their life bar dissappears from your screen.

Often, you will want to rush in, kill all the guards surrounding the miniboss, then run away and let him reset, then stealth him and start the fight.

The stealth itself is pretty ass, but what I like about it is that it's simultainiously optional AND useful. In most "stealth" games you are heavily penalized for not using perfect stealth at all times (assuming the game is even winnable otherwise), and in non-stealth games other than the occasional open world shooter where it's completely overpowered, stealth is usually just garbage.

>>16282696

>spear dude out by his lonesome

>grapple around the pagoda

>deploy aerial sneaky stab

<random mook suddenly starts hauling ass from across the entire map

Happened every single time on that mini boss.

>>16282736

I'm actually confused on how it took you that long, did you try to grind out skillpoints or some garbage?

>>16282748

They use it on the final boss too. It gets really old

>>16282742

probably just exploring and backtracking a lot

Also, the shit they classify as "thrust" attacks is utterly retarded sometimes. The first boss throws his spear at you as a thrust attack, the purple fagninjas have a FUCKING STRAIGHT KICK that counts as a thrust attack. You see the kanji, expect some kind of windup for a thrust with a weapon, and you just eat shit.

>>16282758

Thrusts are hardly difficult though. You can parry, dodge, or even jump over most of them in spite of being the designated "dodge" type of attack. Sweeps are far less forgiving.

>>16282755

Quite. Also struggling with each new enemy and miniboss for a while. The game is actually pretty hard especially compared to Souls.

>>16282766

this

you can reaction parry most of the generic garbage game throws at you though

>>16282752

>>16282748

The funny thing is a few of the minibosses are harder than the actual bosses like Genichiro or Lady Butterfly. Snake Eyes Shirafugi is pretty fucking annoying for example.

>>16282766

>parry dodge or jump

Over some, yes, over some others no, over the exact same attack twice in a row? Sometimes. For example, the Shinobi hunter in the past with the spear will track both your dodges, and will spear you out of the air if you jump. You can dodge the fagninja's sweep by dodging to the side since it has a super narrow radius, but his straight kick will get you out of the air for whatever reason. Lady Butterfly's grab feels like it has nothing to do with you dodging on time, early, late or not at all, but whether you got out of her range by sprinting out. The game feels like it sets out a ruleset, and then doesn't follow it. That's why I think the game feels like utter shit to play. Because when I try to do the thrust counter, and sekiro dashes to the right because the camera shifted, and I get speared, I feel like the game fucking robbed me. But when I jump over a thrust attack on accident or when I dodge sideways to avoid a sweep, I don't think to myself that I've figured out a new way to dodge it, I thank Christ that the enemy's tracking somehow broke.

>>16282809

My favourite thing about Snake eyes is the fact that he does the exact same animation for his generic, blockable shot, and his bullshit borderline undodgeable, unblockable shot that takes 80% of your health. And I also like how his grab tracks a shitload and can rip you out of the air.

>>16282810

I'm just putting him aside for now because clearly trying to discern between the two shots is impossible. So I just ran past and killed Giraffe because lol just parry and then goomba stop to win.

>>16282810

So far, I literally do not even attempt to do that anti-thrust stomp move. 90% of the time I just dodge completely out of the way, the rest I parry. That move is insanely risky, and it seems like the few times it might actually be worth while the enemy is "immune" and shakes you off and knocks you down for the effort.

>>16282835

It does a shitload of posture damage and the timing is super lenient, but you have to dash into the attack, and if the enemy lurches to the right or left during the attack startup, the camera shifts slightly and you end up dashing diagonally instead of into the attack, causing you to eat shit and get speared.

>>16282843

The thrust one is always worth going for, the sweep counter does fuck all for posture damage

>>16281505

Fuck it, this gameplay looks too good. Is it worth 20 bucks?

>>16282888

(wasted)

>>16282892

If I would have known I would have gotten those trips I would have posted something better

Any explanation on how a random white woman named Emma ended up in Ashina?

>>16282906

Same way the Armored dude and his son Robert did, via boat.

>>16282769

> The game is actually pretty hard especially compared to Souls.

Will game journalists call it "The new Dark Souls of video games"?

>>16282109

>thread has actual decent discussion with anons talking about both pros and cons of the game

<then there's this faggot

>>16282906

Same way guns and Jesus found their way into Japan.

as I watch more gameplay footage I begin to notice what people are saying. It seems like if they would have focused more on being an action game instead of a "souls like" From would have had something, but instead you get sort of a half baked experience. You don't get the weapon or play style selection of a souls game, but you can't quite get the freedom of Ninja Gaiden, MGR, or DMC5. I was watching several boss battles that reminded me a lot of the Royal Guard play style in DMC or MGR's defense, but Sekiro doesn't quite focus enough on that action gameplay style to really sell it. Not to mention focusing on the two bars can lead to some awkward endings of boss fights.

I think I'm going to just get Nioh to scratch the itch of a sengoku from like action game and wait till sekiro is around 20 bucks to pick it up.

>>16282888

Yes, it's better than souls and sekiro

>>16283092

>but you can't quite get the freedom of Ninja Gaiden, MGR, or DMC5

Good, hack'n'slash is gay. Save combos for fighting games. >>16281436

>If possible avoid the Remaster and get the Prepare to Die edition.

Why? Remaster is better, it was just not worth upgrading for that amount of money.

>>16283160

>Why? Remaster is better, it was just not worth upgrading for that amount of money.

It's worse in every way. There is literally no aspect that is better.

>>16281987

That's Nioh you fucking retard.

>>16283206

Did you kill all of his minions and then call the samurai over to help?

>>16283206

Posture recovery is based on remaining HP. At full health most enemies will recover posture extremely quickly, but at half health and below posture regenerates incredibly slowly. And the same applies to you. Also, you can regenerate your posture by holding block.

>>16283214

>fuck parrying

Don't listen to him. Parry everything, always, all the time. If you don't need to be parrying at any given time, attack and force the boss to parry you. Eat through posture and damage the health bar. If you only do one or the other, shit will take forever. Be aggressive, but don't mindlessly spam attacks. Butterfly took me less than 3 minutes, third boss less than 2 minutes.

Another thing that can help is that you can kill the front 3 minions, stealth up until his detection triangle fills up, and wait for him to move away from the 2 shield dudes. Throw a shuriken at him once he's far away from the shield guys and go talk to the helper samurai.

>>16283221

Speaking of butterfly you can shuriken to knock her down from her ropes and the snap pod has a limited range so gather up those illusions before you pop it.

>>16283221

Majority of the bosses that will kick your ass are humanoid types, so better practice and do those combat tutorials.

How's the port? More on Dark Souls 2 toaster friendly side or more CINEMATIC like 3?

>>16283261

Fairly toaster friendly, although on highest settings my framerate dipped at the burning castle on a 750Ti.

>>16283305

Funny thing is I have 2 HDR monitors and an xbax 1 controller and I have none of these issues.

>>16283362

Truly it works on my machine™

I'll pirate it at some point next week and then I'll mention whether or not it works on beefyrig.png

>>16283331

>highest settings

They're just a meme at this point. All they ever seem to do nowadays is cover the screen in obnoxious filters that make it extremely hard to see what the fuck is going on and drop the framerate severely to boot. On low settings the visuals are clean and clear and the framerate is high and buttery smooth.

>>16282888

Nioh is worth 40 bux.

Just some insight though, don't ruin your game and go heavy Ninjutsu on your first (blind) run. I just wanted to be the dick-ass ninja with a kusarigama and somehow it made the game easymode instead of hardmode.

>>16283395

I didn't think the Kunai would be that strong. And I thought kusari would have issues in close range outside of counters because it's original design is to catch swords.

>>16283400

It honestly sounds like you were too dumb to understand that ninjitsu in media deals with ranged and buffs and that a kusarigama is a thrown weapon.

>>16283362

I suspect they don't actually know the exact cause of the issue, and just made something that sounded believable up to look like they've got it under control, so as to not impact sales.

>>16283422

I was making fun of the other anon, but okay.

>>16283420

Usually it's safe to assume game balance would take precedence before real world logic, especially in a game like Nioh where the challenge of the combat is important.

>>16283446

>*over

That said, I went straight for a sword on my first run like the boring fuck I am.

Are people actually enjoying the game or is it a 2hard4u grind?

>>16283513

I have only played (scratched the surface of) ds3 and ds1. This on the other hand was far more enjoyable for me, probably because it's most likely way easier. The reaction based fast combat is much more intuitive than the little I played of ds, so I wouldn't really say it's a 2hard4u game because it doesn't even feel close to being hard.

>>16283536

>this

>more intuitive than "hit niggas til they drop dead"

wot n tarnation

>>16283513

There are two ways to play the game: get gud, or get the right tools.

>>16279429

>The grappling hook is context sensitive so no doing it to where you want, only at certain points.

Yea…. that bit was a tad disappointing. They only had one job….. ONE job, but they goofed.

>>16283541

Yeah but in ds there were many moments where you had to take a break from just railing ass on the enemies, just to roll around for an hour then get one hit in, here the only breaks in hitting you take are for deflects or countering sweeps, you don't even have to keep dodging anything and taking a break from fighting regens the enemy's posture so you actively can't. Feels smoother to me at least.

>>16283567

>Yeah but in ds there were many moments where you had to take a break from just railing ass on the enemies, just to roll around for an hour then get one hit in

If you're a shitter unable to spot the windows, sure. The difference is that Sekiro punishes you more for playing passively than souls since chip damage in souls is permanent and you rarely deal health damage against a target in Sekiro with just 1-2 strikes. Not to mention posture being more important than health since you can deathstrike someone with all their life left.

Also the dodge in Sekiro is way worse which doesn't make spamming it viable in many situations (though it's balanced by the fact that it's not tied to a resource).

But I do like that you can easier interweave attacks and blocks and that most attacks will force the enemy to either block or eat shit.

I enjoy the pace of it but it's almost a bit too effortless with no stamina. I think Nioh managed to make their system fast paced despite using stamina for attacks, also mastering the chi recovery system (or whatever it was called) felt a bit more rewarding compared how spammy Sekiro feels at times.

Often it seems like your own posture is completely irrelevant, I rarely get it broken and when it happens enemies rarely take advantage. So I don't really play with my own posture in mind, pretty much ignore it. Unlike souls where if you're a retard that gets guard broken it often means death.

>>16283513

Not at all, wish I was playing Nioh.

>>16283616

Yeah, it's a real cerebral cortex vortex.

>>16283616

Partly Activision but also that at this point in time Fromsoft is an already established brand with plenty of fans they can pander to. It's only cool to hate on popular video games if they can make arguments for it being sexist.

Also Sekiro has a much softer early learning curve and most 'journalists' don't play far enough to get frustrated for being shitters.

>>16283656

Use shuriken when she's in air and don't get hit.

>>16283592

Your posture gets broken easily if you decide to attack too much and they deflect it.

>>16283656

It's an optional boss so feel free to do it at a later point after you've picked up some HP and damage upgrades. The first mandatory boss fight is much easier. The best advice I can give you for the fight itself is to throw a Shuriken at her when she's in the air, it allows you to get quite a bit of free damage each time but other than that you just have to learn her patterns.

>>16283658

>>16283661

The shuriken thing I had already figured out, but you have to time it very precisely because she just blocks the shuriken while she's standing on those invisible strings and sometimes the shuriken just don't hit when she's doing that unblockable slam attack, so it's not very reliable, also I run out of shuriken eventually.

I don't understand this at all.

>>16283656

When she summons the ghost, get your best Bubba-Joe impression on, channel Nascar and run around the arena. She'll eventually kill the ghosts and use them to fire unblockable projectiles at you, which will miss, as long as you keep running in circles. The boss is just shit and never needed that second phase, but From doesn't know any other gimmicks.

>>16283551

It seemed from previews like it would be an integral feature, I was expecting bionic weapon upgrades for it or something.

Does it feel tacked on, like the game could do without it?

>>16283678

The grappling hook is alright, the arm weapons are either completely worthless, or borderline mandatory to defeat certain enemies, which is the absolute fucking worst way to do something.

Where is the fun?

My left wrist is completely fucked.

>Mounted Samurai gaurding the gate

Is there more I could be doing when I make his horse rear up with fireworks? Should I use the flamethrower or the fireworks?

The version I just downloaded had a miner in it lol.

>>16284443

Just fuck him up with melee after stunning the horse with firecrackers, stay close enough to hook him when the horse turns around for a mini-stun.

Really easy boss if you use that prosthetic tool.

The flame barrel is probably a waste since half its use comes from the mini stun it applies but the firecrackers are strong as fuck against animals.

>>16284448

From where and which scene's crack? IGG?

>>16284443

fireworks are way better, you can get about 8 hits in during the rear, you can also grapple to him a fair bit. The flamethrower is fucking garbage damage wise and on actual bosses.

>>16284483

>The flamethrower is fucking garbage damage wise and on actual bosses.

It's good if you throw oil at them first, good stun that guarantees hits and solid health damage.

>>16284481

>>16284483

Alright, just gotta Do Gooder.

I was so pissed when I spent like, an hour on the Chained Ogre because I missed the bell. I could have gotten the fire tool for it, but instead ended up fighting him like a bootleg Souls boss.

>>16284493

Not worth the time spent doing all that when you can you know just kill them instead of doing nearly useless hp damage. Human bosses can be killed about half hp usually if you're not dicking around. Not to mention using the flamethrower you use two resources being the oil jar and the talismans, all the while dealing inferior hp and poise damage to just either the firecrackers or continuing the dance on 90% of the enemies.

>>16284481

CODEX, someone slipped it in there would be my guess. I got it from kickass.cd but I've been safe with other games from there many times, especially CODEX ones.

>>16284517

Was it uploaded by Dauphong or IGGGAMES?

>>16284542

Someone called heroskeep.

>>16284591

By the "voodoo nigger", do you mean the guy who spams purple orbs and laser beams? Because he's one of the ones you need divine confetti for, fast fight if you use it.

Speaking of, it's very worth killing the (first) Headless and ringing the demon bell. The buff/debuff only causes you to take a little more damage, but in exchange enemies can random drop upgrade materials and other rare items.

>>16284651

Is there a fixed number of upgrade mats if you don't do this? Like is it possible to upgrade every tool without the demon bell?

>>16284677

there are some mats you need to buy from vendors but otherwise enemies do occasionally drop materials

>>16284692

> I couldn't make the jump

Minor hint: Ledge

>>16284677

>>16284697

I think that the bell buff increases drops by a loot tier. If enemies normally wouldn't drop anything, they can drop low tier mats, if they would normally drop low tier mats they can rarely drop mid-tier mats with the buff. It's VERY noticable early in the game when you are killing basic enemies and they start suddenly dropping scrap metal and black powder left and right, but later enemies probably drop that shit anyway.

Where's the pit you're supposed to "throw yourself in" for that ingredient thing? It's supposed to be near the reservoir but I can't find it.

So does anyone actually know how Dragon Rot works? If you let it go long enough will the NPCs die or will they just be unusable till cured? I know that whether you resurrect or not doesn't matter. Even if you always choose to just die the first time people will still get infected. Also is there a sustainable way to get those tear things to cure them or is there a fixed amount in the game?

>>16284743

they don't die

don't truly die to not roll for dragonrot

unless you need to advance a quest, do it later

>>16284733

talk to the lady that's on the bridge after defeating raging BULL

>>16284692

Well that's annoying. I didn't think to try using Divine Confetti on him because I thought that was just going to act like DaS1's Transient Curse. His second phase is fucking annoying, spamming his orb summoning moves constantly.

>>16284769

It basically is like Transient Curse, except that the things that it works on (that guy and Headless) still take a small amount of damage normally so you can technically win without it.

>>16284820

>not having bought DMC5 already

It’s the first game in years I felt completely satisfied with after beating it.

>>16284826

I haven't been buying games lately because of the censorship practices going on.

>>16284820

>step backwards

it's two steps sideways

>>16284820

Not at all, it's worth like 15-20$ It's a very mediocre game that plays it far too safe.

>>16284832

that's understandable, but yeah, DMC feels like a complete package for the money and has Bloody Palace and potentially Vergil coming in April. It does have two cases of censorship on the ps4, one can be avoided by not updating, the other can't. As always Sony's censorship is bizarre as they left a literal titty demon uncensored and with breast physics in tact.

>>16284820

Depends on how you value your vidya, personally I can't justify paying for a game if I can't at the very least get twice the hours for every $ or € spent simply because there are so many good games I've spent 0 - €20 on but put hundreds of hours into.

Sekiro is a decent game but I don't see a reason to replay it since there's no multiplayer or major build variety, making it maybe a ~30 hour game for 60€.

how to defeat ちちうえ?

>>16284890

I have no idea why people keep bringing up lack of build variety when talking about the low replay value. Sekiro specifically interested me because it was a modern game that would do away with all this RPG shit in a market where everything has skill trees (and to my minor disappointment, Sekiro as well). Not that I think builds are bad, but I wouldn't see someone saying this about games like Doom or Mario or Thief or Max Payne, so it doesn't make much sense to me to hear that for a game like Sekiro, as if people still can't shake off that this isn't a Souls game. Hell, normally replayability isn't even a factor that's brought up that often for new games discussed here, is that also because people felt that replayability was a big part of the Souls games? I've never played one so I can't really understand the mentality.

I find it funny how many souls-babies cry about how they can't just level their problems away. This is basically a modern Tenchu, you are supposed to use stealth not just charge every shit you see.

>>16284960

No because a modern tenchu would be a stealth game. not a souls combat clone with a half baked stealth mechanic.

>>16284960

>you are supposed to use stealth

So, then, why is the stealth so incredibly ass? Why is it a basic line of sight affair with inconsistent detection and only one real item aside from passive upgrades that actually aids stealth?

>>16284988

to be fair, there's actually a reason here to use both stealth and combat

usually in most games it's an either/or situation where stealth is either too OP/underpowered/practically enforced because of muhrality systems/perfectionistic where the slightest mistake requires you to savescum, as in most cases you want to go either full combat or full stealth but never inbetween

but here you don't have to feel bad when you get caught, but you also can't exactly unga your way through the entire game because getting ganged on fucking hurts, so you can feel at ease using both combat and stealth as you see fit

that said it's astounding how they okayed missing basic shit like enemies detecting dead bodies, noise made by anything other than enemy footsteps, and enemies not being able to notice you shuriken showering their buddy in front of them

I really have to ask what the fuckign deal is at From that they still come off like they barely know what they are doing by making janky ass PS2-tier games, even after having made god knows how many games since their inception, and how they give off the impression that they don't care that people might think that immersion-breaking details like this may look a bit weird

Who did you guys feed your plot booze to? I gave most of mine to lord Isshin and the Sculptor. Needless to say the sculptor is boring as all hell. Discovered too late that you can liquor up Emma too.

>>16285032

That's exactly why the stealth is half baked. The enemies are souls AI with no changes but a bar that fills above their head.

>>16285032

They do discover dead bodies, but they have to literally step on them. Makes sense for the weird mindless monk enemies, but the ashigaru should be more alert than that.

Here's something interesting: If you puppet an enemy you can backstab them again mid-fight and puppet them again to refresh their duration. Useful on minibosses. Puppetted enemies are effectively immortal until their duration runs out or you deathblow them yourself. I just used the purple ninja in the room with Lone Shadow Vilehand against him, backstabbed my puppet 3 or 4 times and kept the duration going all fight.

>>16285039

Tenchu had boss fights too retard

>>16285043

I gave different booze to all three.

>>16284944

>people felt that replayability was a big part of the Souls games? I've never played one so I can't really understand the mentality.

Depends on what you want out of games, personally I want more than to just stomp through the story and call it a day. If the souls games didn't have different weapons to build around, pvp you can autistically minmax your character for or wildly different playstyles such as magic, I'd probably only play through those once as well.

Value is relative, a game can be good but why would I want to pay three times as much for one I get 30 hours out of compared to one I get 500 from?

It doesn't always have to be replay value, just various things to do in the game. Souls games (including Sekiro) are very combat focused with nothing else to really do. Once you beat the game it can still be fun if you get to experience the combat in new ways or can spend time theorycrafting out the best ways to build your character for the purpose of raping people online.

To me it all comes down to that the souls games were made in a way that I was able to sink hundreds of hours into each one without getting bored. If my estimate of me finishing the game at about ~30 hours is true, this game will have given me at least 10x less content than their other titles.

>>16285039

>How does stealth help versus bosses?

You can literally take away half of their health if you initiate combat with a stealth deathblow, after that it's the regularly scheduled beatdown (note that this only goes for mini-bosses, not real bosses)

Its good and the salt its generating is just as good

The game's great but they really fucked up by giving a NINJA a katana. You should be using a straight blade like Rikimaru. These are the same guys who made Tenchu, why would they fuck that up all of the sudden? Ninjas did not use curved blades.

>>16285158

Salt? why? what salt? What do people have to be salty about other than their own inadequacies.

>>16285181

Then again The Owl isnt a traditional ninja, he is a bandit leader so maybe you go to battle with the armament you find, not what's "right" for the job.

>>16285188

Whats right for the job would be a main weapon of a bow or spear with a sword as a sidearm. The whole straight blade ninja thing is all fantasy.

This game is pretty much everything I hate about newer souls games.

>Can never take initiative, have to wait for the enemy to do an attack so you can counter it in the right way(tm) and strike back.

>Everything kills you in 2 hits, possibly in quick succession.

>Extremely limited healing items.

>No way to "safely" learn a boss fight by blocking everything, since your posture will get broken quickly and many bosses are overly aggressive.

>Enemy swarming out of the ass, including enemies that have no right to exist in a group

>Key items like crafting materials are limited and easy to miss, though admittedly an improvement since the memories/prayer beads at least drop from (mini)bosses

But now with extra:

>Lose money on death, except there's FUCKING NOTHING TO SPEND IT ON

>Stealth mechanics are complete ass, most enemies can't chase you onto rooftops so you can just jump on a roof and get something to drink whilst they forget that you stealth instagibbed one of their friends.

>When hit, you can only cancel out of the stun with a dodge, NOT WITH A BLOCK

>Every strong enemy leaves a bad taste, rather than satisfaction of overcoming them

>>16285253

>Can never take initiative, have to wait for the enemy to do an attack so you can counter it in the right way(tm) and strike back.

Attacking first is viable. Preferred in most cases actually. If they parry, THEY are the ones who will predictably counter attack to your advantage

>Everything kills you in 2 hits, possibly in quick succession.

Yes, that's the point.

>Extremely limited healing items.

Yes, Good.

>No way to "safely" learn a boss fight by blocking everything, since your posture will get broken quickly and many bosses are overly aggressive.

Most bosses you can safely block, especially early ones. Having your posture broken isn't really all that bad, it fully resets the bar and the enemy rarely takes advantage of it before you can safety roll.

>Enemy swarming out of the ass, including enemies that have no right to exist in a group

Definitely a problem in certain select areas, which I doubt you've even encountered yet given the overall tone of your argument. The main ones I would consider a problem are the dual-bladed staff wielders in the monestary. Of course it's only 2-3 at once plus trash, but those fuckers are miniboss tier.

>Key items like crafting materials are limited and easy to miss, though admittedly an improvement since the memories/prayer beads at least drop from (mini)bosses

Low level crafting materials are NOT limited at all. I'm not sure about high-level materials. If you are missing shit git gud at exploring, that's literally the better part of the game anyway

But now with extra:

>Lose money on death, except there's FUCKING NOTHING TO SPEND IT ON

On the one hand, shops and shit to buy are few and far between. On the other, I've managed to spend everything I've gotten so far.

>Stealth mechanics are complete ass, most enemies can't chase you onto rooftops so you can just jump on a roof and get something to drink whilst they forget that you stealth instagibbed one of their friends.

Could use improvement for sure, but then they'd probably tun the game into a "true" stealth game to the detriment of everything else

>When hit, you can only cancel out of the stun with a dodge, NOT WITH A BLOCK

Definitely annoying, but if you could cancel out with block you'd never actually be stunned.

>Every strong enemy leaves a bad taste, rather than satisfaction of overcoming them

Speak for your fucking self. Feels quite good to finally cleanly beat a boss after learning his patterns.

>>16285279

The only thing you'll ever really spend money on is tools and possibly confetti. Once those are done you have nothing to dump money on and end up with far too much. You also get an absurd amount of gourd uses later along with pellets to the point you'll never really have HP issues unless you die or forget to rest. Higher level crafting materials are fairly limited, but… crafting in general is really not that useful.

>>16285300

Make sure you are set to english when you defeat the armored warrior it also has a better VA.

>>16283696

Aren't katana generally complete dogshit at stabbing like that? You'd have serious troubles getting through a human skull like that, let alone some mythical monster

>>16285181

What makes everything work design wise I think is that nothing is as you would expect. Plus you're a shinobi, you can do whatever.

>>16285253

If you want to learn a boss, remember that you sprint at ridiculous speeds in this game and can just run out of most of their attack patterns. This is not a souls game at all.

You can also take the initiative, but you will need to use some special moves. The ichimonji double slice is pretty good, works on most enemies if you measure the distance right.

>>16285599

The final move in the shinobi tree is absolutely fucking retarded because half the minibosses in the game can't block it, and if it lands you get more free hits from the air. You just run away and do that shit over and over again. From is too dumb to properly balance that garbage, so they just made it use your whatever bullshit embers instead.

>>16285664

I would say it is pretty balanced given the cost. You can only use it 8 times on a miniboss unless you use the health sacrifice item, which can give you up to 7 more. Using it without resources is suicide because it leaves you wide open.

>>16285597

Not like that ever stopped anyone from using weapons in unrealistic ways. I'm sure there's katanas that have a pointier tip than is usual to make stabbing a bit easier, but that's just a guess.

>>16285597

>>16285727

For piercing a skull in that manner you'd want to use a knife.

>>16285597

It's shinobi wolf oni-slaying katana shimemaru folded a million times made by Hattori Hanzo himself, it can do anything.

>>16285868

VERY rarely, and I actually couldn't get them to drop it at all without getting the bell buff (from killing Headless) first.

>>16285932

You don't have to kill headless to get the bell buff you can just progress through Mt. Kongo and you will get access to it as well.

>>16285868

Also, make sure you have anti-terror stuff first. Don't even bother fighting Headless without it, use it at the start of the fight in order to increase your resistance and not die in two blocked hits. The enemies in the prison drop it very commonly.

>>16285947

I know the Demon bell is in that area, I was able to see it as I passed through, but I didn't see any way to actually reach it. It's isolated on a cliff.

I've noticed a trend of bosses being gimmicks that require some specific item usage / skillpoint / ect.

I fucking hate that.

>>16285960

Not really for most of the game. There are only a few apparition minibosses, I've only encountered one other red-eyes and it was the exact same chained ogre as before. Nothing else has required or been (intentionally) trivialized by a certain skill or item.

>ring a bell

>have to chase three monkeys

>don't even have to stealth to kill these niggers

So what can I do with the mortal blade?

>>16285951

The idol with the trading post behind it is where you can do some cliff climbing and grappling to get to. I found it while just exploring.

>>16285965

So far, it's only been good for killing those infested monks. The ones who stay sitting and either spit roaches at you or a giant centipede. Also you get a skill that's absolutely worthless, basically a slower, wider-range version of whirlwind for 3 charms per-hit.

>>16285973

I spent like an hour with the buff and only got 3. Half an hour to an hour without and got 0. Unrelated, but I hope you are stealth killing those bastards. Fighting them takes ages.

>>16286236

They didn't even use a ninja-to lol, they used bows, spears and other polearms and swords they could scavenge were used as sidearms. It was easier for the poor to use weapons that didn't take proper skill to be effective.

>>16286273

Jesus, how embarrassing. that second line should read: a burglar isn't going to bring a rifle when he hits your house while you're on vacation

>>16286273

Thats the thing is because they were smaller less equip forces they would use what they took and weapons that were good for ambushes.

>>16285975

That chunks bosses through blocks.

>>16286285

I think the problem is that historical ninja weren't fighters at all really, they were spooks. Folklore ninja are more like wizards, and it was more of a western pop culture view that saw them as assassins and fighters, and now that view has begun to influence Japanese pop culture. That's not to say that they never had to fight, just that their combat training and equipment was probably based more on self-defense and pragmatism more than anything.

>>16286321

They kind of went through what spies go through with fiction, at least when it comes to protagonists. The kind of spy that James Bond depicts is a lot more exciting, so people tend to try to copy that kind of action-movie spy feel rather than being an actual spy. I've had thoughts that an a game where you play as an actual spy, as in you need to do this that and the other, but you need to keep a cover story and gain allies or sources of information might be fun. The problem is that you can only really do that once and have it work. It would be harder to make that replayable because the main thing, cover story, would be rote, and social interactions are fucking hard to do anything with because there are so many variables.

>>16279204

its a very hard game. and the combat is intense. you know that feel you get when you're about to get hit in bloodborne and you parry an attack off instinct? thats what the whole game feels like. its hard as shit. so natuarally its not for everyone. but even so. im only 3-4 bosses in and i can definetly put the combat at a solid 10. nothing ive ever played feels better then this game.

how to defeat demon of hatred?

>>16286377

hit his feet and watch out for the charge? He's just an endurance test. His attacks are all super telegraphed charge aside, and he can be grappled to after most of his slower moves. Just be careful about that charge because it's the only move that'll catch you

>>16286384

yeah ok but I keep eating fireballs to the face and are you supposed to dodge or block the charge?

>>16286389

safer to dodge it because it's so fast. You can deflect it I think, but at that point I was so done with the game being terrible I played it a little safer than I should've on him just so I could move on.

Also the fireballs can be dodged by just running in a direction that's not towards him. The big attacks to get free easy damage if you're playing like a pussy are the big masturbation hand slam that shoots a fire wave in his second hp bar, and the bellyflop. His first bar is his hardest, after that the masturbation pound happens often enough and it's free hits the whole way.