7c3b26 No.16279117
Like the main villain at any point could be easily defeated in a 1v1 by the main cast if ever given the chance but their strategies constantly outplay the protagonists.
Maybe even one of their subordinates is actually the super powerful one who the protagonists cannot beat but the subordinate believes in the end goals of the antagonist to help them achieve them.
Are there any games that accomplish this?
e3571c No.16279122
Metroid, technically. Only the rooms leading up to it are really holding you back.
18f325 No.16279136
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Shadow of Mordor
The great dark lord Sauron can be defeated by a single QTE
7c3b26 No.16279145
>>16279127
I really liked in the comic it implied Eggman actually was only messing with them, and called back to a time they called for support and got nothing was because he already abducted 90% of the population and left the main cast as entertainment to sand bag vs leaving them none the wiser
Too bad a hack writer needed to end that plot line next issue over actually making that a massive series changer
e3571c No.16279154
>>16279136
Is this better or worse than FFX knockoff where you literally take turns whacking the eye itself with a sword?
4acf08 No.16279200
Earthworm Jim's antagonist is a literal goldfish in a bowl. You defeat him by walking into the table he's on, bumping it, causing the bowl to fall to the ground and smash, leaving the final boss to flip around on the floor.
2e35e8 No.16279203
>>16279145
Are any Sonic comics actually good?
9866ba No.16279225
>>16279203
Preboot Archie, 160 onward, is cool if you can tolerate all the baggage from the Penders era. Postboot Archie is a pretty good attempt at merging the different Sonic series into one universe. IDW has been mostly just okay, with a few nice moments.
7c3b26 No.16279230
>>16279203
I only read select issues so I can't comment on it as a whole.
8f9808 No.16279237
>>16279203
>are any comics actually good?
No.
5a870f No.16279241
Second Sight
Silent Storm Sentinels
9af782 No.16279245
metal gear solid 1 and 4, technically 2 too weren't it for solidus wearing that exo suit, also hitman games.
9866ba No.16279254
>>16279245
>1
Liquid was pretty much at peak physical performance. The fight he and Snake had on top of Rex wasn't a one-sided fight on Snake's side.
9af782 No.16279262
>>16279254
well OP didn't mention it had to be one sided. liquid isn't "powerful", he's a man just like snake, and they're both experienced soldiers the fight was pretty much 50/50
9866ba No.16279266
>>16279262
>at any point could be easily defeated in a 1v1 by the main cast if ever given the chance
The OP's exact words.
9af782 No.16279282
>>16279266
you mean exactly how it happened when, given the chance, they finally faced 1v1?
a68e73 No.16279290
>>16279266
Kefka from FF^ folds like fucking paper in the first round with even marginally competent character builds. cheat character, shitty underwhelming boss fight
even without using the offering/genji glove with atma weapon/illumina dual wields so you get 8 9999 attacks per turn on the opening move you can still wreck his shit in 1-2 rounds, tops
9866ba No.16279307
>>16279282
>fight pretty much 50/50
>easily defeated
Will you make up your mind?
c0d4d3 No.16279308
Henry Leland in Alpha Protocol. You spend the entire game sifting through the web of obfuscating secrecy thanks to his machinations, going from Saudi Arabia to Russia to Italy, having to go rogue from your own beyond top secret organization just because he has that much reach, just because he wanted to make a buck off the war economy as the CEO of a major weapons manufacturing company.
But once you finally catch up to him, it goes as well as you'd expect it to go. You're a seasoned secret agent, he's a businessman in a suit who just has a lot of money. If you don't accept his deal (which he is 100% offering you solely because he has no cards left to play), you just gun him down on the spot and ride off into the sunset. Or if you're feeling frisky, you can reject his deal, not kill him, and let the public scandal of what he's done destroy him and his company. Either way, once you finally get face to face with him, he folds like a pack of cards.
d6bbca No.16279324
Contra and Cuphead, rooty tooty point and shotty glass cannons.
Definitely Kenshi, you arent special, you can become pretty strong through insane amounts of training, but you can still get your ass beat alone whether your 10 hours into the game or 200.
Monster Hunter, without any good weapons and ano rmor you aint shit, except in the beginning of low rank, without any weapons at all then you're just another faggot in the jungle.
9af782 No.16279327
>>16279307
that does mean he doesn't have any special power, he's on par with you, it doesn't take a special thing to defeat him. he's as easily defeated as you are.
c0d4d3 No.16279330
>>16279324
Anon, he said antagonist.
ad1be8 No.16279335
>>16279203
Wasn't there a bizarrely metal as fuck comic cover where Sonic looked like he was escaping from the fucking police? I think he was covered in scars and shit (and I think chains) and you could see silhouettes of people chasing him in the background shining flashlights? Then there was another one where i'm pretty sure he was just fuckin' dead. I remember seeing it in the comic book cover viewer in one of the gamecube games I think.
d6bbca No.16279352
>>16279330
oh shit uhhh.
The king from dead cells is weak, he just sits in his throne, cant do jack shit and has his guard(the actual final boss) fight for him.
The prophets from Halo are just floating old psychotic space farts.
In castlevania 2 you gather up all of draculas corpse parts just to put them back together and then 'BEAT the everloving fuck out of him when hes reviving and kill him for a second time.
18f325 No.16279363
>>16279154
I'd rate The Third Age much higher than Shadow of Mordor. At the very least they were ambitious with their lore fuckery and had set out to make a LotR game from the outset.
SoM halfway feels like an AssCreed clone they slapped a licensed coat of paint over. The nemesis system is neat but that's really all that stands out about it
9866ba No.16279469
>>16279327
You're greatly misinterpreting OP's intent. He talking about antagonists with no personal combat power. The suits with money, the engineers that are good at building robots, weak noblemen with lot of authority, backstabbing scoundrels that lie and manipulate for their own gain, people who could barely defend themselves if directly confronted. Liquid is practically super-soldier-tier and had to be killed off by a disease designed specifically to target him. In the scale of Metal Gear's setting, Liquid is one of the most dangerous people to exist. In a discussion like this, you have to think relative to the character's own setting, not in some absolute scale that takes into account everything ever imagined.
cf86a1 No.16279625
>>16279154
>>16279363
I liked the Third Age until I was smacking the Great Eye with a hammer.
I feel as if they just couldn't come up with a good final boss and just picked the Eye because of a deadline.
2cbe85 No.16279631
Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm…
I've been waiting for you… friends
6aba82 No.16279645
>>16279127
Eggman did nothing wrong.
d02d1f No.16279775
>>16279117
Fable 2 I think. He gets powers later, but he was always just a weak frail broken man.
b6307c No.16279816
>>16279117
The fleshy meatbag can be easily talked down to give up and quit at any time. Stronghold might fit the description a little bit better, the Wolf is just one man in armor but it is his army and the help of his three subordinates which gives him power over you. Ghost Trick would be the closest match where your antagonist is nothing more than an old man with a peculiarly large nose and (((trickery))) is his only means of defeating you.
e79440 No.16279848
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Not quite what OP is looking for, but Gradius/Parodius always features joke final bosses. You can beat them without any power-ups, some without shooting at all.
Here's the final boss to one of the most difficult games ever made.
8426db No.16279881
>>16279117
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest on the SNES
You kill the final boss with the heal spell.
df189c No.16279937
>Like the main villain at any point could be easily defeated in a 1v1 by the main cast if ever given the chance but their strategies constantly outplay the protagonists.
The vast majority of RTSs
9f44fc No.16280031
Super Danganronpa 2
There are two antagonists, the one returning from the first game, Monokuma, and a new one, Nagito Komaeda. While Monokuma is basically an unkillable death machine disguised as a Teddy bear, Nagito is just a teen of roughly the same build as the protagonist.
Nagito is constantly a greater threat than Monokuma, as he psychologically manipulates the rest of the group while taking advantage of the rules. For example, he is allowed to constantly threaten violence and assist and enable the others in their murders. Because of this he ends up being responsible for about 6 deaths throughout the game. Due to the way the rules work, anyone guilty of killing another will be killed themselves, but only if they actually land the killing blow. Nagito takes full advantage of this, every opportunity he gets, including using it as a way of protecting himself from being punished by the group while trying to destroy it.
He ends up being one of the most threatening villains of any game I've played.
105c53 No.16280203
>>16280031
I know he was responsible for case 1 happening at all, and his plan to suicide in an unsolvable way during Case 5 to get everyone killed and let the traitor win backfired and got her executed, but weren't all the other cases the result of revenge and miscommunication (Case 2), and Monokuma mindfucking (Case 3) and all but forcing a murder else he kills everyone by starvation (Case 4)? His bodycount was only 4 – one of which was unintentional, and the other being himself.
0df8f8 No.16280215
>>16279469
no where does the OP say the antagonist must have no combat abilities, just the use of strategies and liquids strategy was to make you fight his goons that where much stronger than him. and when you face him 1v1 he is easily defeated in hand to hand combat and a shootout, he's literally snake but inferior in every aspect. liquid is a nobody that uses his wit and intelligence to manipulate people into doing what he wants, he's just a step above the genome soldier and is genetically inferior to snake who is an actual super soldier.
51764f No.16280223
>>16280031
this series has got to have the most retarded writing of any videogame ever, only turbo-virgin-dweebs wouldn't puke that that turd of a "story"
e3571c No.16280680
>>16279816
The president in 2 makes more sense than the master considering he has psychic attacks. Really the only thing that makes master easy is all the different ways for him to kill himself. If you had to fight him head on he would be pretty touch without the mind wave inhibitor thing.
9af782 No.16280687
>>16280215
well ackchually, he's genetically superior to snake. it is mentioned he THOUGHT he had all the recessive genes, and that's why he hated snake for, but it was actually the opposite. but yeah that's the point I was trying to make.
9866ba No.16280728
>>16280215
>easily defeated
>inferior in every aspect
>nobody that manipulates people into doing what he wants
Liquid was the genetically superior twin, he was the leader of the current Foxhound, he could take out two jets with a gunship, he survived the crash of the gunship, no worse for wear, he survived the destruction of Rex, and still had the strength to drag both Snake and Meryl on top of the burning Rex, he gave David a tough hand-to-hand fight on top of the wrecked Rex (and he was shirtless while Snake was still wearing his protective sneaking suit), chased Snake and Meryl by driving with one hand and firing an automatic rifle with the other, while Snake was firing back with a mounted machine gun and had Meryl do the driving, survived crashing his Jeep, and finally only died once FOXDIE finally got him.
That's not "easily defeated in a 1v1". That's "put up a tough fight, never stayed down, and got taken out by a force the protagonist had no control over."
9af782 No.16280787
>>16280728
>he was the leader of the current Foxhound
being the leader of something doesn't make you any stronger physically
>he survived the crash of the gunship
so do plenty of aircraft pilots bailing out the same as he did, it's no superhuman feat
>(and he was shirtless while Snake was still wearing his protective sneaking suit)
wrong
>That's not "easily defeated in a 1v1". That's "put up a tough fight, never stayed down, and got taken out by a force the protagonist had no control over."
except it is, he wasn't KILLED but he was defeated in all the instances you mentioned, and rather easily I might add. bar the rex fight, both the brawl on top of now wrecked rex and the car chase are fairly tame.
36756c No.16280809
2778c6 No.16280815
>>16279203
sonic the comic is better, but its quality sort of drops towards the end and it ends on a cliffhanger
b6307c No.16280837
>>16280680
Yeah I was trying to think how to spin Fo2 into this but it's hard to put the president as the sole antagonist of the game. Normally people would use Frank Horrigan as the #1 man or even the Enclave as a whole which are an army of well-trained mutie removers.
9866ba No.16280899
>>16280787
>both the brawl on top of now wrecked rex and the car chase are fairly tame.
For the player, maybe, but not for Snake. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of "gameplay and story segregation?" Liquid is supposed to be nearly just as good, if not just as good, as Snake. Just because the actual design of the fights are easy doesn't mean Liquid is that terrible. Or are you saying that >>16279136 means Sauron is actually piss weak?
369715 No.16280909
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
For that fag who wanted to look up Laibach.
5cdb5f No.16280943
>Are there any games that accomplish this?
Oh yes.
9be619 No.16280973
>>16280787
>so do plenty of aircraft pilots bailing out the same as he did, it's no superhuman feat
Hinds don't have ejector seats.
af571c No.16281122
>>16279127
>Come on
>Not "How about this"
Come on.
16c3c0 No.16281160
>>16280687
that concept never gets old for me
>>16279117
would soul nomad count? I keep putting that one to the bottom of my backlog so I'm not 100% on sure
9866ba No.16281176
>>16281122
"How about this" doesn't really say "it really should be obvious, doofus".
9f44fc No.16281444
>>16280203
Case 2 he encouraged Mahiru Koizumi to play the arcade game which led to her confronting Fuyuhiko and Peko, which obviously led to her death
e3571c No.16281465
>>16280787
I want Remi to drain the blood from my engorged cock.
b9b43d No.16281553
Not really that powerful TBH
5c69d2 No.16283454
this douse right here, he can't be arsed to think of a strategic plan nor a good solution to take over the mushroom kingdom without resorting to kidnapping/marrying
no wonder they make him a joke in the spin-offs
9e2878 No.16283519
Dying light, the prick just throws away the lives of his men trying to kill you all while talking about how you rely on others. Then when you confront him the entire thing is several qte's in which he flails at you with a machete.
28f026 No.16283520
>>16280031
Nagito isn't in the first game. He is in part of the anime, and also Ultra Despair Girls. But you're on point about him being one of the best parts of the second game for the reasons you mentioned. In V3's 5th case they attempt to one-up Nagito's master plan. It wasn't handled well but its core idea was really neat: It's not just making a case that is unsolvable to the ultimates, it's also to make sure Monokuma can't, and thus can't provide valid judgement on who was killed. Kokichi largely serves to be the one spicing things up in V3, he's not as good as Nagito but definitely one of the better parts of that game.
Also Monokuma is not a weak villain. In 1 he could kill anyone he wanted if he wanted, but all he did was give them enough rope to hang themselves with and frequently it worked. Sadly in 2 he was too direct at times, as in case 3 and 4 where he was effectively forcing someone to be killed.
40d5e7 No.16284056
You actually get a bad end for just finding the big bad and kicking his ass. It's a long, but easy fight. He has like a 2 second windup on everything but stupid high stats
85801e No.16284147
>>16279848
This might not be correct considering usually the whole final level is the main villain.
I mean, if a minuscule ship fought its way through your bionic exterior, into your biologic interior, into your brain cavity, you wouldn't expect your brain to survive for very long, much less put up any resistance.
9c3e10 No.16284208
>>16283454
Bowser actually outplays Mario in every single game, but when the 1v1, Mario keeps winning if Bowser doesn't yank the rug out from under him. It happens every time.
>>16279122
>Metroid
>it
Anon, what are you talking about?
>>16284147
Technically ,we're talking about how you just have to stand there and not be killed and the boss dies anyway.
9f44fc No.16284222
>>16283520
yeah I only mentioned Monokuma to illustrate that, relative to him, (and thus as an antagonist) Nagito is weak
e3571c No.16284275
>>16284208
The antagonist, you dip.
8666ce No.16284283
>>16284056
Why would you get a bad end?
1e04e8 No.16284308
>>16279308
>gun him down
>Not making him think you agree.
>Not blowing him up when he think he has won.
Come on anon.
1e04e8 No.16284335
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16280973
And metal gear don't exist.
There is a parachute after the hind fight in a tree around the tower and Snake actually comment it should be impossible for him to have jumped.
0df8f8 No.16284614
>>16280728
he wasnt, solid was the genetically superior twin, look into the story
>he used an advanced military vehicle to take out other advandced miltiary vehicles
>he survived a crash in a vehicle that is specifically designed to keep the pilots alive in a crash and thats why they supply you with survival gear, he survived a mild explosion
solid snake was topless, not really having an advantage just having kneepads in a fist fight, driving whilst shooting is so simple niggers do it all the time
>he only died because of foxhound and would have totally won
is that why he got his shit kicked in whilst piloting the worlds most advanced nuclear system and then also got his ass beat on its corpse? he gets his goons to do most of the work stopping you in the jeep just so he can catch up and ram you. liquid was easily defeated by snake multiple times on an even playing field and when piloting some mech shit and all his lesser foxhound goons got fucked hard by snake with no effort.
he was easily defeated in a 1v1 and he had to use his goons to slow you down, the only thing keeping him going after snake was jealousy. he could have killed snake at any point in the game or even manipulated him whilst pretending to be miller but he didnt because he is a egotistical bitch like every other villian out there
52d37f No.16284669
>>16279117
Pokemon XD had a fat bald midget as the final boss. He doesn't seem like a threat at first until he reveals he has not just 1, but 4 legendary pokemon at his disposal.
16c3c0 No.16284785
>>16281553
>implying he was the villain
1cec03 No.16284815
>>16284785
Antagonist =/= villain
ad1be8 No.16284847
>>16284290
That was one of them but there was another one where you even see him flatout dead, he was being held in someone's arms and shit.
Fuck I might try digging myself, I knew I saw something like this.
167585 No.16284870
>>16284614
He actually was the genetically superior twin, did you even listen to the end credits reveal?
ad1be8 No.16284889
Holy fuck I actually found both the covers I was talking about.
5c69d2 No.16286713
>>16284870
>He actually was the genetically superior twin, did you even listen to the end credits reveal?
you don't read, do you? he said that sold does a lot more then just staying around
0df8f8 No.16287116
>>16284870
Liquid is NOT the genetically superior twin, solid is, everyone knows this
ad9c9d No.16287497
Sure he's got a lot of Enclave guys on his side but it makes no difference when I can blow each of them away with one .44 magnum round.
Definitely the weakest final encounter in any Fallout games. 4 probably has a worse one but I never beat it so…
1b413e No.16287539
I'm gonna say Demon's Souls in a way. The great old one uses proxies and Allant could be called the main antagonist but in reality he is just a blob
e2ffb1 No.16288040
>>16284283
He did nothing wrong.
000000 No.16288073
>>16279117
Game where the antagonist is a jew. Weak, deceitful, and still a loser in the end.
79ccdf No.16288110
I swear every high elf in elder scrolls games must be a weak bitch. How they manage to later conquer the Empire is a mystery.
Also why did every wiki make it so you can't directly save an image as a .jpg or .png anymore?
e3571c No.16288116
>>16288110
I've noticed that too. They're hosted as such but you try to save it and you get some unknown extension it forces me to open IE to look at. I just open the image in paint then save from there.
89afad No.16288214
>>16288110
>spoiler
It's probably an (excessive) anti-hotlinking measure, to prevent Reddit cattle from draining their bandwidth.
1e04e8 No.16288297
>>16287116
>Liquid is NOT the genetically superior twin
Yes he is.
Solid is supposed to be the fuck up, the whole fucking theme of the game (and the entire ending!) being "genetics isn't destiny".
Liquid is persuaded he's the inferior twin when it's the opposite.
Aren't you embarrassed with yourself? You didn't even understood the most basic story element of MGS.
1ddba2 No.16293647
>>16288110
there should be a config you can toy with to let you save it as png again. dont remember what i did but it is possible
45b592 No.16293684
Bully. Gary's your friend at first when you arrive at school, pretty unhinged but whatever, then he stops taking his anti-psychotic meds and turns everybody against you from the background. Suddenly the whole town hates your fucking guts because that little pissant is spreading rumors about you.
Why'd he turn on you? He wants to "rule the school" so nobody can mess with him, but suspects that you're going to turn on him, so he turns on you first. Meanwhile, Jimmy (main character) couldn't have fucking cared less, but now he has to spend the whole game reforming every group in the school and town by simultaneously beating them up and becoming their savior.
e3571c No.16293690
>>16293684
>Bully was pharmaceutical propaganda all along
c8cbe7 No.16293709
>>16279200
>final boss
The final boss of earthworm jim is not bob, its Queen pulsating pusfilled festering slug for a butt
916dc0 No.16294056
The Janitors from hotline miami are psychotic extremists who are just normal people who've set up a massive pyramid scheme to get confused, easily manipulated patriots to carry out their own personal hot version of the cold war on american soil, and they're so feeble that when you finally confront them they don't even try to stop you from murdering them. They accept their fates and just die as if the monster they created in biker and jacket are just an inevitable outcome of the war they start.
1b6190 No.16294080
>>16288110
Real shit, maybe they could beat a wood elf in a fight but every other race mogs the shit out of them, even dumbner and khagypsies. Are there just billions of aldmer nationalists?
cea728 No.16294106
>>16279117
>Army of Two
>the antagonist is such a little fucking weasel
>shitbag kills tons of your buddies, causes billions worth of damage, and always just barely slips out of your grasp
>final battle
>rush past his goons and run into his office
>my roommate and I take turns pistol whipping him
>get bored of it, say "do it"
>roommate shoots him in the head, once, with his pistol
>antagonist dies, credits roll
still to this day one of the most satisfying endings to a game i've ever experienced
1cec03 No.16294447
>>16294056
The second game shows that they're just pawns of the organisation as well, except part of the few who know what's going on. The actual leader of the org is the crazy old Colonel/General, who presumably is somewhat on-par with his old squad as far as being a killing machine goes, and you don't get to fight him as he just wins off-screen.
17511e No.16294472
>>16280728
>nobody sat liquid down and taught him basic biology
b6a807 No.16294812
5c69d2 No.16296334
>>16294812
RUNNING THE WORLD
e9d8d2 No.16297188
Batman Arkham Origin made this for me. The joker is green and so it's batman and the joker is simply outperformed by Batman in everything but his schemes, he orchestrated everything and the climax in the end is seriously one of the best things the franchise have done.
>You finally confront the joker after all the shitty things and all the people he have killed in a single night
>The joker starts taunting you
>Batman loses it and starts obliterating the joker
>He leaves the joker half dead
>He only stops because he realize he is about to kill him
It was simply gold.
adddf2 No.16297249
Depending on who you consider the antagonist, one of them gives you the choice of either killing them or letting them live to continue their plans, and the other just runs away down a hallway until they're cornered, and don't react as you shoot them.Seriously, neither of them even put up a fight, one actually acknowledges that the choice to let him live or die is because either he makes Japan great again or they get a third nuking and it's already proven killing you isn't going to happen, so he just wants your allegiance put to the test. Of course, if you let him live, he scoffs at you, as if he's disappointed you'd do the humane thing. Or maybe it's him relying on an American to save Japan. Or, potentially, he sees you as just another traitor…
5c69d2 No.16300463
>>16297362
what a weak-ass conclusion for the whole series, colonel volgin was a better villain then him!
46d51d No.16301410
>>16300463
Major Zero could have been considered the main antagonist at the end of the series and he's a pathetic old man that we never even see as a proper villain.
164cbf No.16301523
e3571c No.16301565
>>16297362
I didn't know they made a modern Chakan game.