/v/ - Video Games

>>16262017

Can't believe how adorable that is.

>>16262170

We are indeed in the worst timelime

>>16261925

What the hell? Scizor is one of my favorite pokemon but it objectively could have looked way better? Kind of pisses me off a bit. GF really does suck.

>>16262170

Considering it looked like the mascot of a Japanese donut company they probably just put it in for kicks

>>16262376

>Helix chamber

Fuck those guys, that entire thing with the gen 1 beta "rom" and the insertion of fan theories as if they were fact has made me disregard ANY of their shit. Who fucking thinks passing off fan art as legit work, and they had the fucking gall to take "donations" for playing it. Only revealing at the ens their rom was a fake and a lot of the info on the page was made up

>>16262402

>Fuck those guys, that entire thing with the gen 1 beta "rom" and the insertion of fan theories as if they were fact has made me disregard ANY of their shit.

Entirely fair, although even back in their Missingno analysis there was a ton of baseless speculation (they even still think that the two Pokemon missing are part of a family instead of re-analyzing it with the new information).

>Who fucking thinks passing off fan art as legit work

There was supposed to be somebody who knew what the fuck they were talking about there, but due to one streamer going over, there was a schedule conflict so it was just Racie B. on her own and that was a fucking mistake.

>and they had the fucking gall to take "donations" for playing it

I don't know if the Pokethon guys started it (because they had no idea what the fuck was going on) or if Racie B. did (in which case she's even more retarded), but Helix Chamber didn't get any money, it went directly to charity. Still retarded, regardless of if it's scummy or not.

>Only revealing at the ens their rom was a fake and a lot of the info on the page was made up

The page came up after their stream like the promised, or do you mean they used terms they came up with on the final article? In which case I agree, they fucked up.

>>16262408

The tigers getting cut is a crime, but at this point the Luxray line exists so we might be screwed when it comes to electrical felines.

>>16262413

It seems like during the development of Gen 2, they tried to actually cut down on the extraneous shit covering all the Pokemon. I think they went a little too far and most Gen 2 Pokemon are a little bland, at least Gen 1 was a little rugged, way too many Gen 2 Pokemon are too clean. Of course during Gen 4 they went the opposite direction in some cases (compare Spaceworld Gen 2 Pokemon to their Gen 4 counterparts for an example), so I can understand why they changed it back then.

>>16262491

Now they hype has worn off and I'm filled with bitterness again…

>>16262487

I like BetaTorchic2 better. Kinda looks like its in an eggshell. Although I would've preferred a non-starter chicken pokemon for farms.

>>16262439

>It seems like during the development of Gen 2, they tried to actually cut down on the extraneous shit covering all the Pokemon. I think they went a little too far and most Gen 2 Pokemon are a little bland, at least Gen 1 was a little rugged, way too many Gen 2 Pokemon are too clean. Of course during Gen 4 they went the opposite direction in some cases (compare Spaceworld Gen 2 Pokemon to their Gen 4 counterparts for an example), so I can understand why they changed it back then.

This is the same issue I have with Gen 2. Its too much like Gens VI and VII with its blandness and lack of detail. Gen 3 did kind of go over board with the realism and detail in some parts, but I'm grateful they did and I would've loved it more if Gen 2 had gone down the grittier route, same with Gen IV's weaker designs like Hippopotas.

>>16262453

>>beta Rhydon that looks like the substitute doll

>That would've made a great baby stage for Rhyhorn.

You mean 1 on the Capsule Monsters list/Gyaoon? Or just the fat fuck Rhydon at 0?

>Interesting. Was this beta Mewtwo?

Who knows, but it was actually replaced by Mew in the final game. Probably coincidence because it was the first empty slot. Still, Omega is really interesting/

>Is there a better picture?

The best you've got is re-creations, maybe the backsprite would help.

>>Baby Vulpix never made it

>Life hurts…

It didn't make it TWICE. At least it apparently exists in lore according to the Pokedex.

>>cute two sided bird

>Love it

It's a fish I think? Some sort of sea creature, a ray or a slug or something.

>>Baby Doduo with three heads never made it

>Ouchi ouch. But I wonder where the third head goes… Does it just hibernate inside or is it to shy to show itself? Anyway it would work a lot better with just one head.

It could be three of them moving as a single nest, like the opposite of Magneton.

>>Baby Meowth never made it

>WHY?!

TWICE

>>Beta Politoad

>Looks more formidable than Politoad at least.

It's fucking Tentaquil. You remember Tentaquil right?

>>BABY PONYTA NEVER MADE IT

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

You better believe it's TWICE

>>SlowShellder never made it

>Fuck me… I wonder how it would come about though. Would it swallow Slowpoke or just release it?

Couldn't you buy a Slowpoke tail in GSC?

>>Electric tiger mouse

>Cute. Would look better with a third evo that's more tiger-like.

Seems like it did back in Gen 1

>>some kind of mongoose

>Looks cute but could use an evo. Would make a nice enemy for Arbok and Ekens.

That's Sneasel

>>playable baby Kangaskhan actually existed but never made it

>FUCK MY LIFE SIDEWAYS AND FUCK YOU GAMEFREAK YOU DAMN HACKS

I want to know what the fuck you're looking at

>>16262487

To be fair he doesn't have his trademark drill horn yet. Also post Latiken you coward. With that and the true nature of Squirtle's final evo revealed, all we need is a cut grass starter.

>>16262491

Not quite, if you look at the index list, there's a gap right after Marowak. That's where that design fits. It lacks evolution data but given their similarity and the fact that they're next to each other I'm going to assume Marowak evolved into that. The lore seems to be that a Marowak takes in another orphaned Cubone, to raise it as it's own because it understands their pain. The Kangaskan thing is about as likely as it was before. Did it take the Cubone because of parental instincts from Kangaskan? Did it see one and become inspired? Are they just unconnected like all the fucking kaiju looking motherfuckers from Gen 1? There's something that looks like a Nido family member really early, but Nidorino and Nidorina were added much later despite the rest of their line being early as well. There's a lot of questions we might never get answers for.

>>16262499

I don't know if I can rekindle any sort of hype, but I've been putting off making a thread about my various ideas for Pokemon games, maybe I'll actually make it tomorrow.

>>16262509

Voltorb is very early, although aside from being an oversized Pokeball and the implication this rapid expansion is the reason for exploding, there's no real reason it does explode. As for that two stage line, I have no idea what the fuck it is. Helix Chamber thinks it's sumo frogs, and while that hair looks Japanese, I have no fucking clue what it could even be frankly. There's a lot of stuff we don't fucking know. Like, would you know 175 is Gorochu without the miracle evolution data? Would you know what half the fucking Gen 1 backsprites are without knowing what they look like from the front?

>>16262522

Less them being a faggot, more like they probably only got a build that had the backsprites left after the front sprites got purged. Remember Diamond and Pearl having old backsprites in the final game?

>>16262523

>Wait what?!

If you see in the Missingno summary, 181, that's what Squirtle evolved into before they cut it because everybody liked Blastoise more and he was from the Capsule Monster era. It's an Atsuko Nishida design instead of a Sugimori one.

>In the third pic. The pokemon whose face is obscured by 7:22. Its body looks just like a baby kang.

It's just regular Cubone, same index number, maybe even the same sprite it's hard to tell.

>>16262530

>But it would've been nice to have the missing link between Cubone and Kangaskhan…

We can't really say that for sure, honestly. People think Venonat was supposed to evolve to Butterfree, but the entire Caterpie line was added all at once, Venonat was way early, and Venimoth was in between. Dragonite is super early, but his previous evolutions were added later. Gyarados was some gross worm thing, and Magikarp was added later. Shellder had it's name, but looked like Cloyster. We just don't know.

>>16262541

I think that girl shows up riding actual Latios in some promotional art doesn't she?

>>16262545

If we're talking Mario enemies as Pokemon, that fish thing looks like a fucking Cheep Cheep.

>>16262554

There's a reason Helix Chamber insisted on calling it "Kamex" as the Blastoise we knew was originally named "Caravaggio" because Ken Sugimori is a fucking nerd.

>>16262536

Most gen 1 pokemon third forms were designed by different people than the first two. That's Why Graveler and Machoke look so different than their final forms. Dragonite too.

>>16262567

>Wasn't it mentioned that Dragonair was intended as a seperate line but eventually the final was scrapped and replaced with dragonite?

That makes even more sense considering how drastically different and unfit for each other Dragonite and Dragonair are.

>>16262589

So Shellos was cut from Gen 3? It actually feels more fitting in Hoenn.

>>16262603

It's a shame they didn't use that design in gen 2 and make a dark/psychic clown.

>>16262598

Yeah, somebody said it in an interview, I'm sure at least one Bulbapedia page has the actual link to it.

>>16262599

Blame Nishida for "wanting to surprise players" or something like that, she designed Dragonair and Dratini.

>>16262603

Because that's fucking made up. The only thing we know about Beta Mr. Mime is that it looked nothing like the final sprite, and had the name of it's pre-evo from the Spaceworld demo instead of it's final name.

>>16262599

You can blame Sugimori or Nishida for taking a serpentine design, then making it fatter, then making it fatter again.

>>16262613

>there's no way that was a natural design and just was an attempt to link the line better.

Nishida probably just said fuck it and did whatever she wanted with Dragonair after that, but people like Dragonair so I guess it worked out didn't it?

>Oh right; Ruby only had their cries(i think it was only in a demo though?).

I think Gen 3 had a couple different unused cries didn't it? I also am not sure if any demos of Ruby are out there in the wild. I know we have a German Debug rom.

>>16262614

Dragonite was first, probably by Sugimori, so blame Nishida for just doing whatever she wanted. Dragonite might have even been different looking, she could have re-designed that too now that I think of it. This is confusing.

>>16262620

Dragonite does really feel like a capsule mon; so yeah i'd say its Sugimori or something to that degree.

Kaiju like mons are probably all from that era, newer designs probably intentionally avoided Kaijuness because of the over-saturation of them.

>>16262621

Despite how basic and incomplete the "original" map is; something about most of the towns feels nice; though some are really basic, the ones that aren't look really good.

>>16261925

Scizor could have been so badass

>>16262626

It's not really amazing if it's based on an actual Japanese region

>>16262609

>Because that's fucking made up

Well that's a fucking shame.

>>16262603

Last one looks fucking awesome.

>>16262872

Cute

>>16262872

>>16262969

Forgot to mention the black head would look better with two horns too

>>16262872

That's great. Much better than the catdog thing and the final design.

>>16263125

>he likes physical forms and not ideas

>>16263132

>Muh Reshiram

>>16263132

>He likes ideas instead of a blank slate and formless imagination

What a faggot

>>16262509

>Blaine's sprite changed from what he looked like in the anime to his current design

How did this even happen? Or am I wrong, and that's his sprite in Yellow (I never played Yellow)?

>>16263212

Anime Blaine while similar; does not have the military theming of the beta from what i remember. The "Silph Chief" look became his official one.

He only had Magmar in the beta too

>>16263282

Get in line. Helga and Serena are better though.

I really wish Popplio's final evolution was that clown-looking thing from the fake leaks, looked much better than the faggot seal it ended up being.

>>16263885

>I really wish Popplio's final evolution was that clown-looking thing from the fake leaks,

yeah, why even give it a clown nose; that's the part that really puzzles me. i wasn't expecting popplio to become ballio (i do not take leaks seriously beyond "mite b cool" or "please, no") but i was expecting some kind of circus seal.

>>16263484

>Helga

You mean Hilda?

>>16265156

Yes, sorry for the ignorance.

>>16263885

I wish that they actually bothered to make pokemon Z instead of forcing the legendary into Sun and Moon to just drop it mid point.

>>16263122

Awesome

>>16266363

Is that what panties do? How is that comfortable?

>>16266381

anon

if you dont know how womens panties actually look and work by now there's no hope for you

>>16266433

The fabric doesn't look right. It's like they're wet and clinging.

>>16266588

Explain what kind of clothing would behave in this way, and under what conditions.

>>16262509

Is that map on the right supposed to be the original map for Johto? It looks more linear but I like it a lot.

>>16266621

It's actually Japan. Well, most of it anyway, I think some routes are actually not complete if you look at the entrances on some towns (which look mostly done). You can probably match every town to a prefecture or at leas a major city. I don't know much about Japan.

>>16266659

Proto Johto looks more like the entirety of Honshu to me(with the top shrunk); thats why kanto is a literally town in it(besides restrictions).

>>16266678

I hate the bottom design so much, especially the chipmunk teeth.

>>16267215

Actually the one riding the Latiken seems to be wearing a Toga, which would make sense and match an ancient Rome theme

>>16267221

It also explains why Lati@s's Pokedex entries mention feathers despite not actually having feathers; they were written for a Pokemon that no longer exists.

>>16266363

Anyone who thinks she's Scottish has never seen a Scottish woman irl.

>>16267256

Do you seriously expect anime to match with 3D outside of extremely obvious features?

>>16267261

No, I just didn't think you guys would latch onto a twitter meme because of a tam o'shanter cap.

>>16267270

The starting town of /ss/ is poke-Scotland; Galar is structured pretty exactly like the UK.

Its logical to think the characters are Scottish.

>>16267281

I wonder if Serena had been given a beret, would we have had a lot of french memes? I'm still rustled about the lack of french memes. Just another reason to hate VI.

>>16267320

>french memes

Ça aurait été ebin.

Uh, this blog has information about the development of Pokemon movies, but I can't read moonrunes.

http://storywright.cocolog-nifty.com/taikan/

Information about Movie 10:

https://web.archive.org/web/20061221201726/http://blog.pokemon-movie.jp/2007/2006/12/vs.html

Which is comes from this website

https://web.archive.org/web/20060404202824/http://blog.pokemon-movie.jp/

I wonder how many Legendary Pokemon were designed in co-operation with the movie director?

>>16267786

Apparently Lugia was designed for the movie, which is why he's not in the Spaceworld demo. Anyone who says the Farfech'd evo is Lugia is retarded, but they might have removed it since was too similar to Lugia, or because they just decided it didn't fit with Gen 2's new direction.

>>16267883

I have reason to believe that both the Anime team and the Movie team have designed Pokemon before instead of Game Freak.

>>16266659

I really wish we could have a Florida region.

>>16267923

Too many gator and poison monkey pokemon.

>>16268212

>poison monkey

>not dark type

>>16268299

I'm referring to the literal monkeys with aids let loose in Florida decades ago from a Tarzan movie.

>>16267741

They were probably changed because they were hard to animate and hard to fit into a sprite.

>>16269830

In case you didn't know, it's probably more because of the 3D models. The more complex designs from earlier generations don't exactly translate easily to 3D because they weren't designed with that in mind. Also GF is incompetent, why do you think they had to hire some guys from Genius Sonority just to actually do 3D competently?

>>16269881

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Latios a pretty late index number in Gen 3? Since Gen 4 they've been leaving less and less development information in their games and more and more leftover shit that makes it clear they're just building everything on top of the last game, or at least have a library they haven't cleaned up because they think they'll need it (and between the remakes and the idea that GF is incompetent, I imagine that it would fall apart if they removed it, I think they've made the correct decision).

>>16269881

The original name being 2002 and the original lati bird designs make me wonder if it was originally a sequel to the Lugia movie.

>>16269898

I don't think being bosses would save them from sprite limits.

If they were gen 4 they might have actually gotten those designs.

>>16269891

>In case you didn't know, it's probably more because of the 3D models

>implying

>>16269891

Game freak is a messy bunch of amateurish programmers, just check how the game stores the save file data. It's a nightmare.

>>16269943

I've heard the reason Gen 4 was so slow (in general) because they're fuckups, but I recall they changed the way saving worked some time between Gen 4 and 6, as Gen 6 saves pretty fast, and Gen 5 saves faster than 4 but is still a little slow. I could go on about how Game Freak is shockingly incompetent, but I don't have all day.

>>16269918

So? Those pokemon weren't made to be 3d models and yet here they are looking great in a n64 game.

>>16269994

>Game Freak are incompetent, and HAL managed to fuck it up despite being competent

<So?

I don't know what more you want, you clearly didn't understand what I said the first time so I don't know why I'm repeating myself.

>>16267256

lauren mayberry

>>16270282

Please don't tell me you think Pulseman is beta pokemon material.

>>16270282

>Beckett Pokemon collector art

Holy shit I remember that, even back then I knew it was bad. But that's what you get from unofficial sources.

>Early Raikou

You know, it's pretty interesting how Deviantart the original beasts looked back in the Spaceworld Demo, I recall hearing that Saito redesigned them, but I could have gotten the context wrong, and it could be referring to that specific design you posted.

Gods, I fucking hate life and only all this Dawn is giving me any reason to feel otherwise.

>>16269830

That actually explains a lot. Fuck, the anime should've ended after the Orange Islands.

>>16269918

>>16269943

>Firstly, that's made by HAL and they're technical geniuses

True.

>>16262017

behold…gondola's first form…

>>16270885

Yeah, I think the feathers were removed because it was hard to animate.

I really like the Capsule Monsters concepts, they give a whole Dragon Ball vibe (obviously DB has Capsule Corp too), and to a certain extent gen 1 and 2 kept that vibe. Chonky beta sprites and concepts really had more of that vibe though

>>16270922

>that chibi-ass beta scyther

It clearly wasn't meant to have thoes proportions. Its just chibi due to size issues.

Blossomole is really odd; was it part of another grass starter concept? We'll probably never know.

>>16271054

The only guess i could have to its final fate is Electrike maybe? Like Sharpedo seems like the Anchor shark and Whiscash might actually be the Qwifish evo.

The puppet became shuppet and got a new evo.

>>16271054

Knowing how many Spaceworld concepts ended up in Gen 4, I wouldn't be surprised if the concept became the Luxray line, now that I've thought about it more. Honestly, a ground type cat that preys on all the electric rodentia of the Pokemon world is more likely at this point.

>>16271114

I think it was supposed to look sort of like that, but less comical and more like an actual dragon. Lots of Capsule Monsters era sprites barely changed, unless they got significant redesigns. And honestly the similarities between Spaceworld Pokemon and later ones is questionable, depending on who designed what, if they decided to revive the idea into something slightly different, or if somebody else just based a Pokemon off the same thing. Who really knows, though.

On another note, where is the archive of the beta designs from red/green?

>>16272325

Looks like it. thanks.

>>16272474

it's drugs anon, it just drugs

>>16271551

Gamefreak never fixes their problems. They never retcon things that desperately need it. It's always just new mechanics piled on top of old ones.

>>16272673

The only time they ever retconned anything is when they gave Febass an item to evolve by trading I think. And even then if you want to you can still evolve by beauty if you maxed the stat in an earlier game or played ORAS. That and some items from GS, but I think that has to do more with engine changes than anything else. They buffed a few numbers but that's more powercreep than anything. At least Leach Life isn't fucking awful anymore.

>>16272699

Ah, that's right. I forgot because it's so fucking obscure. None of the other evolution (or other) mechanics have been fixed as they've been piled on across the generations.

>>16274119

The Switch's gyros can let Inkay evolve by holding something upside-down, right? Until that gets cut we aren't seeing shit. They invested all the good animations in Amie/Refresh, they're not cutting that so Sylveon is safe.

>>16274147

>Sylveon

aka. The sole reason why recent games have to distinguish between two otherwise-identical 'Happiness' stats.

>>16274217

You might have good points but you sound like so much of a faggot I'm compelled to disagree with you on principle.

>That beta gangrowth

>It's a "long hair covers the face except the mouth" type combined with a "wide toothy grin" type

I think I get pokefuckers now.

>>16274413

I liked some bits from USUM. Ironically for the advertised "ultra changes", it was the little things you might never experience that made the game good. Shame that it had to be based on SM and therefore waste your time with cutscenes you've already seen about characters you barely care about, and new cutscenes with new characters you barely care about. At least Hau went from one of the worst rivals to one of the best with the added context of USUM's ending.

>>16274640

that makes me remember:

the team skull leader? he looks kind of like xirkutree

luminise? she looks kind of like pheramosa

her daughter? she looks kind of like nihilego

could it be that UBs were originally intended to be shapeshifters that disguised themselves as humans?

>>16274640

Do you really want a modern Sonic situation, where the best they've got is the janky Adventure games and the linear as shit boost games? Similarly, why would you want an action RPG when you either invest to hard in the RPG elements meaning that your actual skill doesn't matter, or invest in the action elements that people avoid because they can just grind? At that point you'd either need to make the game hard (which you can't do because Pokemon is for dumb children) or just cut the RPG elements entirely and make Pokemon an action game. But then how do you direct Pokemon in combat? I haven't played DMC5 but isn't there a guy that just summons shit? Maybe whatever the hell Astral Chain is? Did you even think this through more than "Game Freak is retarded"? Because that's a good reason to not think about this shit, but I have because I'm a fucking madman.

>>16274679

well, anon, the current situation isn't much better, is it?

but that'd probably be bad too because gamefreak

>>16274686

Honestly Pokemon isn't any worse than it was when it came out in regards to the basic in game turn based battles. Maybe it hasn't reached the heights of some parts of the franchise, but you don't need to change any core mechanics, and they haven't since Gen 4 because it was fine then (about the only fine thing about Gen 4 actually).

>>16274660

I do remember that was the initial theory that many people have when they first saw the UB. Other funny one was the starter pokemon having a different evolution depending if it happened in the day or night.

>Implying that GF would want to do extra work

>>16274679

>>16274640

>>16274640

If you think about this it would fix every major flaw with the Pokemon franchise.

>Smogonniggers spend all their time theorycrafting & PVP

>Pokefuckers spend all their time ERPing in the Goldenrod Dept. Store

>Gym leaders are actual players

If you search for "Pokemon MMO" you can tell that this is not a new idea.

Maybe I'm thinking more of an RTS, I dunno. Whatever works best for the games, because there is clearly untapped potential. Regarding Sonic games, this Scottish guy breaks it down pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AK3n-srj5E

He also has a 7 hour video about Omega Ruby which I haven't watched.

Uh, I think I would have a hybrid of turn-based and action based. PVP battles could be staking your Pokedollars (Dunno how you would make an economy work? What would the money come from? Too many unanswered questions actually. Maybe NPCs would give you quests and you get money from them, but then the question arises of what the evil team is? Maybe you can choose to be a part of Team Rocket? So many interesting ideas. Maybe healing items are made from mixing berries and ingredients. The game has to have a few NPCs; what would they do? Sell you items? I actually haven't thought about this that much.)

>>16274686

I have a feeling that they would be just as bad as Square-Enix.

>>16274700

Super Mario 64 was not merely a retread of Super Mario World.

>>16274660

Luminise dressed them that way because she was obsessed with UBs, and its mentioned she still dresses her children.

So there's the reason they all look like UBs.

>>16274748

>MMO

Bad idea, there hasn't been a good MMO in ages. Granted I haven't played an MMO and actively dislike other people, so if it were an MMO I'd probably hate the new format of Pokemon. Since I'm invested in the current format, any change would upset me, and I'm not alone I think.

>RTS

I don't know about that, Conquest was turn-based strategy and it never got a sequel. MD is similar to that and while popular also doesn't appeal much to me. Tried Blue Rescue, didn't like it, preferred Super, skipped Time because it was just more Rescue.

>Mario 64

Mario 64 is very impressive, and plays very well, but it's also not really anything like Mario as it was before, you get me? Similarly, Link to the Past is complete trash to me, because I was super invested in the first Zelda. If you want to improve Pokemon, the mechanics must remain the same, but the context needs to be changed. For example, Banjo Kazooie is mostly a plain collectathon, but Banjo Tooie recontextualizes it with Metroidvania elements. Pokemon has already had two games like this in the form of Colosseum and Gale of Darkness, and they're some of the best games in the franchise. They make you re-think some of the mechanics you take for granted by limiting your Pokemon pool, giving you Pokemon that are powerful but limited in some ways, and giving all the bosses strategy instead of type matchup challenges.

>ShayMay

I've seen his shit, and he's completely right most of the time. Although I forget a lot from the Omega Ruby video, I think he made mostly good points.

>>16274978

The most fucked up part is that they made the fertile nidos able to make eggs of either Nido in a later gen.

>>16274217

<Held items, but ONLY ONE.

More than one per Pokemon sounds retarded.

<6 Pokemon is THE PARTY LIMIT

This bothers me. They were thinking about changing this AND the number of moves per Pokémon in Gen III since the GBA had the extra power.

<PLEASE IGNORE THE ANIME

The anime explicitly limits Pokémon to six, too.

I'd like Abilities to turn into "Attributes," (and create tons more attributes) where a single species can have multiple abilities simultaneously. That would create more differentiation and make otherwise shit Pokémon into viable options. They could also add a new stat. Not sure what it would be, but they could do it.

>>16274217

I remember with the 4 moves thing I had an idea where every pokemon gets a 5th move that's purely set and unique for that pokemon.

It'd be for the most part a normal move already in the game except for legendary Pokemon but then slightly changed to fit the Pokemon using it.

Like Charmander would have Ember naturally but if blaze was active it would get the same stats as Flamethrower (acting as a high power move early game).

But Cyndaquil with who also would have Ember Naturally could have a much higher burn status chance made to 100% during Blaze triggering on his native version

Or outside Beedrill getting a special Fury attack with an ensured 5 hits with each having a chance to poison / Paralyse on hit.

Would make every Pokemon feel less like a pile of stats and moves if they all had a semi exclusive move and it feels more like a natural inclusion then megas or Z moves.

>>16275241

Please explain why multiple items is a bad idea while multiple abilities is functionally the same thing

>>16275728

>filename has random snippet of conversation and then a hash

What is this shit and why has it been popping up more and more? Is this another phone thing?

>>16275728

>tfw we coulda got horse pussy suicine

welp f

>>16275648

Abilities would, I assume, be set for each mon. Even if not, each mon only has a few abilities available (three at most, I think?) while there are tons of items. Items are often really powerful, too. If you have to guess which ability a mon has, it's a one out of three chance. If you have to guess what a mon is holding, it's a one out of perhaps fifty chance. Mons that can do multiple things are already dangerous because you have to gamble on which build they're using. If everything can do everything (somewhat exaggerated, but close enough), you get a situation where you can never predict what the enemy is doing. It's like playing chess except you can never know what each unit is capable of. All you get is a chaotic clusterfuck.

At least, that's my impression. I haven't paid attention to competitive pokemon in a long time. They're getting close to a thousand of the damn things now and I really don't want to memorize the stats, move pools and abilities of all of them.

I had an idea for using the G&S spaceworld content, a general idea at least for a story

>Rename region Jipan region

>You and your brother live in silent hills

>One day get invited to Oak's lab that's in town

>Meet "Oak" and he gives you your starter, tells you Jipan is home to never before seen pokemon

>Also mentions you should enter the league as it will give you recognition and fame as a trainer, not to mention attention would be brought to your new model pokedex

>Your brother shows up, acting as a rival

>"Oak" lets him have his own mon and dex too, rival picks your weakness.

>Eventually meet the real oak

>revealed the oak you met was Imposter Oak

>Mid game finale is conforntation with imposter oak who has taken the mon neither you nor your rival took

>6 mons, all decently leveled for that point

>When beaten he reveals his motivations

>He wanted to be the one to document all then ew pokemon of the Jipan region, going so far as to impersonate oak. The pokedex is actually of his own design and he hoped that by acting as oak he could give his real self credit and in turn elevate his status as a pokemon researcher

>Either have him disappear with oak taking his place or Oak is impressed with his pokedex and imposter oak becoming the head researcher for the Jipan region under Oak's Guidance

>>16276481

Imposter oak sounds liek a cool dude

>>16276497

He's got a in game sprite from what was found in the rom. Which is why I wanted him as the focal point, nothing to grimdark or edgy, just something cartoonish as the main villain plot. After the resolution the game would continue on, get the badges, win the league, game over. I have no idea how to incorporate the legendary OCs.

One could theoretically make Kanto post game, you arrive in Vermillion city off a boat since Jipan is a island chain. Kanto gives focus to the gen I mons which allows you to go after them.

>>16270052

>In case you didn't know, it's probably more because of the 3D models. The more complex designs from earlier generations don't exactly translate easily to 3D because they weren't designed with that in mind.

I'm saying that ain't true and you've done nothing but support that. I want you to call it what it is, lazy. Anything else is an excuse.

>>16277753

It is lazy, but for different reasons.

>>16277769

Spheal is just Raitora but a seal instead of a tiger, and they scrapped it from Gen 1 and 2 because they didn't like it or thought it was a bad design. The real point is that there's a lot of different Pokemon by a lot of different designers, and there have been several different design philosophies that are most common in a generation. It's not any better or worse, just different.

>>16277808

>it's not any better or worse, just different

I don't think I necessarily agree with that. Some of the designs in each gen are objectively pretty bad, and the number of bad designs seems to increase over time.

>>16277837

I think it's up to taste. Then again I'm not particularly for or against many Pokemon general, don't feel very strongly about them.

>>16277925

>This is further compounded by the fact they're running out of animals to copy so you're starting to get direct comparisons like Zubat and Woobat where new designs are getting more cluttered as time goes by.

Zubat seems to not directly be based on any real bat, but the idea of a bat. Woobat is more directly based on an actual kind of bat that Zubat doesn't cover, but I admit Woobat is a more simple design. Not as much as the cut bat Pokemon from Gen 1 (which from the backsprite looks more like a Halloween decoration).

>This is mostly accentuated by the fact that it's mostly the first stage pokemon designs that are getting more and more "chibi" as time goes by while their final stages look less shit in that regard.

Even older Pokemon are exempt from this. I think it started with Pichu when they re-designed it from a cute orb to a generic cute mascot. Pikachu got a similar treatment. Compare some of the older Gen 1 and 2 art to official art from Gen 3 and on, you can tell there is a shift there for marketing reasons. If you want to put the blame on anybody, blame Nishida for making Pokemon cute. The team brought her on in about 1993 or 4 to appeal to a wider audience. So basically the first 81 Pokemon by index number are the only ones that follow the design trend you want, and that number is counting Mew and the earlier Pokemon she had a hand in re-designing, like Clefairy. Amusingly, Zubat is after that cutoff (although might not have been primarily designed by her).

>>16277925

I will never not be disgusted by Woobat.

>>16279694

yeah its good

generally pokemon that look like kaiju look much better then random moeblobs

>>16279694

As the resident Pokemon expert, I rate it an 8. Prefer Araquanid though.

>>16279238

Baby versions should never have happened.

>>16280531

>you can't really shrink "normal" mons very well.

You shouldn't want to shrink them in the first place.

>they have a decent amount of bad vs good

I really can't agree with that. The bad ones vastly outnumber the good ones after gen 5 and also outnumber the ones that are just up to par.

It's probably also because 6 and 7 don't even reach the same number of new pokemon added as the previous generations. Where 5 added a lot of new stuff 6 and 7 struggle to add even 100 new designs each. It's clear that they're scraping the bottom of the creative barrel.

They should have had the balls to go a generation without adding any new pokemon at all and instead focus on changing up the story formula to something more fresh to distract from the fact that there's no new pokemon to catch. There comes a point where you're really just adding new stuff for the sake of adding new stuff and quality takes a nose-dive. Pokemon has reached that point in my opinion.

>>16280499

Vikavolt is an example of the shitty new designs, because despite being just a bug, it doesn't even remotely look natural. It looks like it was manufactured in a factory. That's a large part of why new designs suck so much. They look like manufactured toys instead of actual beings that would inhabit a world. The unnatural coloring and random shapes on the new ones contribute to it. See also Lycanroc above. Its entire body shape is all kinds of retarded, with the tiny, tiny noodle arms that lead to massive hands being the worst part, followed by the anime face. And keep in mind that this is a monster that is supposed to have high strength as its main stat. Its design doesn't match its stats in the slightest. Not to mention that it looks like it could barely walk with that body and posture.

Another example of how new ones look like manufactured toys instead of creatures: the Mudsdale you posted. It has a perfectly cared for mohawk and braided hair, all with random color splashes in surgically precise locations, and the mud on its feet doesn't resemble mud at all. It's just random shapes with, again, surgically precise and colored slits in the mud that for no reason are the same color as its hair despite being part of the mud. If you weren't outright told that it's mud, you could just as well have assumed that it was just painted reddish. Why is the mohawk mane mud-colored, but in such an unnatural way? Like I said, they look like manufactured toys with anime faces and eyes, and they have patterns and body shapes that look unnatural and make no sense.

>>16280588

I find Vikavolt acceptable because it at least goes against the "rounded edges, cute plushy" designs that are becoming the standard. It also doesn't go balls to the walls with its spikes or edges like some other pokemon. It's clear what it's supposed to be and uses a simple color palette. I do dislike the wings somewhat, but I can look past it.

>the Mudsdale you posted

I didn't post it.

>>16280565

>You shouldn't want to shrink them in the first place.

How else do you make three stage lines? Without small firsts your lines will look stupid; you need a gap between first and second and third; having a medium first tends to cause Pideottos situations where the middle stage basically evolves into itself.

>I really can't agree with that. The bad ones vastly outnumber the good ones after gen 5 and also outnumber the ones that are just up to par.

Gen 5 was a massive filler fest, i wouldn't call its dex mostly good.

Also Gen 6 for context probably had less shit than gen 2 had babies.Gen 2 was actually a horrible gen looking at it, the games being good are its only saving grace

There would be no reason to call that a "generation" though it is something they should do; actually figure out how to make their games good.

>>16280588

Its autistic as fuck to screech about realism in a game where you use weird cartoon man animals like Hitmonchan(who actually suffers from having pin-arms).

Having everything have bland colors would be kinda really bad. Insect pincers tend to be colored that way, its just that they tend to be brown/black

>>16280623

By not making them so small that they look retarded. Nidoran is a good example of it done right. If you're starting off with a creature whose head is two times bigger than its body then you're better off scrapping it. Only give them three-stage evos if the design fits it.

>filler fest

At least there was more of a balance between good vs bad

>i wouldn't call its dex mostly good

Neither did I, but it had better designs than 6/7 had combined.

>>16280699

>Only give them three-stage evos if the design fits it.

Believe it or not; pokemon isn't just a bunch of disconnected designs; the main purpose of having three stages is for balance.

>By not making them so small that they look retarded

I also noted that Chibi is actually a horrible design process from the start anyway, so this argument was literally for nothing.

>At least there was more of a balance between good vs bad

"""balance""" in the form of a fuck ton of clones. While not actively bad, being consistently mediocre is what gen 5 was.

Very little of the gen actually stands out.

The ratios is probably the same honestly, gen 6/7 had a lot of mediocre too.

>but it had better designs than 6/7 had combined.

Its also around the combined size of those gens.

I have a feeling they heavily rely on the "cutesy" designers first, which means these new gens get a overload of these due to size; i have to wonder what a big gen would look like these days.

I actually consider the drop to happen gen 4 as a note, gen 5 felt really off due to the obvious filler to hit that number

>>16280623

I didn't mention realism you illiterate fuck, I said they used to look like creatures that I can imagine living in a fictional world. They never once looked realistic in the first place. What they did was look much more like living creatures than factory-manufactured shapes that took a tumble into a paint can storage. You're equating one out of ten to nine out of ten.

>in a game where you use weird cartoon man animals like Hitmonchan

What you're doing here is a favorite of retarded faggots that can't argue; you're comparing the exception (wonky and ugly shit like Mr. Mime from the first generation) to the norm (wonky and ugly shit like almost all new monsters) and saying that because the exception existed, they were the norm even back then. That's not how it works. And since we're talking about Hitmonchan, it's a good example of how the clearly unnatural monsters have changed in design. The entire monster is one color, aside from its clothing. The clothing itself is pretty odd, but considering the only way to get one in the generation it was introduced in is through a man-made dojo, that's a sufficient explanation. They're also clearly humanoid, so it's believable enough that they could create simple clothing out of hides and the like if we assume that the clothing is not man-made. Notice how it isn't covered in random color patterns, unlike almost all new monsters. Finally, the arms. As you said, they're really thin for a boxer. But unlike the shitty werewolf thing, it has actual hints of musculature in the artwork. In addition, in the older artworks, its arms look similar to insect limbs, possibly explaining why they're so strong relative their thickness. Even the less believable older monsters are much better designed than the average newer ones.

>Insect pincers tend to be colored that way, its just that they tend to be brown/black

Insect pincers aren't shaped like that. Everything about Vikavolt looks unnatural, and the pincers in particular. They look like they were produced and painted by machines, with those perfect edges. Compare to Pinsir's (honestly a pretty bad early monster, but that's irrelevant to the pincer design) pincers, which look like something you could actually imagine seeing on an insect.

>hurr presenting arguments is autistic screeching

If you're enough of a dumbass to fall back on that, you clearly aren't worth responding to beyond this point.

>>16280743

>the main purpose of having three stages is for balance.

And you can do that just fine without making them look horrible. Even then there are plenty that don't have 3-stage evos, but that's besides my point.

>While not actively bad, being consistently mediocre is what gen 5 was

And I much prefer that over what happened afterwards even if I wouldn't call it mediocre and there's still plenty of bad ones in 5. I absolutely disagree when you say the ratios are the same for 6/7, because like I said earlier, I can count the good designs for both on one hand while there is hardly any middle ground or "mediocre" designs to stand between the bad ones.

My points are simply that "baby" pokemon never should have happened the way they did, if at all, and that the cut-off point for quality vs shit is at Gen 5.

I don't see them recover the way they are going with Gen 8 either.

>>16280802

Reality and believable aren't necessarily the same thing, actually. I don't consider myself an expert at Pokemon or designs or whatever. You guys can argue about which generation has the worst Pokemon, but I'll always consider Gen 4 to be pretty bad and at best underwhelming. I bring it up because nobody else has, even Gen 2 got a passing mention or two. I do think the extended development had a negative effect on some of the designs, I mentioned it earlier I think, along with the problems I had with Gen 4. I've also not heard anybody complain about Gen 3, which is fine, that set of Pokemon is a little out there but I don't mind it. Gen 4 they tried too hard in every aspect, and it rarely ended well.

>>16281153

What's wrong with Gen 3 aside from the awful overworld sprites and the fact that there's nothing worthwhile on any of the surfing routes (many of which you can avoid by diving which I did all the time)?

>>16281162

After GSC, Hoenn came off like a downgrade; battles felt slower, the music seemed worse, Wally couldn't hold a candle to Blue or Silver, you effectively needed to waste two party slots on HM slaves, the side-content they had hyped up (secret bases, contests) was nothing special, and it was the first (and only) time you couldn't transfer monsters from a previous generation.

Basically, playing R/S at launch felt underwhelming in every aspect except for monster designs.

>>16281001

Gen 4 is sorta weird; like an inverse gen 2, none of the gimmicks were ever toned down and everything is very extreme. Its also a legacy gen.

But i do think it has a normal amount of good; its just that none of its mons are "mediocre" and all just sorta go straight to bad or good.

>>16281210

People love to ignore how wonky r/s were as games because the shitshow that was d/p came right after.

As an actual game i think D/P is better but holy fuck what did they do to the engine.

The game ran like molasses just to slap some 3D models in it.

>>16281162

Everything

>>16281162

>What's wrong with Gen 3 aside from the awful overworld sprites and the fact that there's nothing worthwhile on any of the surfing routes (many of which you can avoid by diving which I did all the time)?

no day/night cycle.

>>16281554

I guess that can be part of the whole "overworld sprites" problem. It really feels like they lost all the good ones and had to make new ones in like a week. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if in the code there's a check to switch the sprites, but it switches them to the exact same thing. Because, if you remember, there actually is a time function in the game, it's just not visible. How else do your berries grow? And why do you think they had to patch that shit because they fucked it up?

>>16281588

>Firered and Leafgreen have bullshit "your pokemon can't evolve until you have national dex" bullshit

That is bullshit, but I was talking more about RS when I was talking about Gen 3. I could really go on about how FRLG was way too faithful to the original games, but I won't.

>massive reduction in mapsize

Is it really? It feels about as big as Kanto did, although even when shrunk down and combined with the tiny Johto I guess it's still bigger than Hoenn.

>only gen to not allow you to trade pokemon forward

They wanted a fresh start without relying on Gen 1's busted code, and that was a good start. They used technical limitations as an excuse but I don't buy it. At least there's an official way to do it now, and PKHex lets you do that for free too.

>first gen to turn MC into a messiah character as opposed to just someone who happens to foil a criminal organizations repeatedly

Was never a huge fan of either of these, but in RS at least it was something new. It being a one time thing compared to Gen 2's "It's Team Rocket, again" made it stand out, but when every single other game did it again that was bullshit. Ironically Gen 7 took a different spin on the plot, but it was ruined by Lillie existing.

>contests are ass

I never really minded them, but they're not particularly great either.

>secret bases are bad (not Gen 4 underground bad though)

I liked Secret Bases, but they are one of those things ORAS got so much better

>introduced cancerous personality bullshit (I'm fine with IVs if they're alone, and I would be fine if Personality were alone, but both is uber cancer)

I think it introduces a lot more build options, but I understand if you just think it's more busywork. I'm not big into competitive or anything, so I wouldn't know. I will say I far prefer the EV system to the Stat EXP system, which for some reason they basically brought back in Let's Go what the fuck is wrong with Masuda. Actually I think "what the fuck is wrong with Masuda" can explain a lot of the problems we have with Pokemon. At least Ohmori seems like he wants to improve, if the comparison between ORAS and SM is anything to go by. I'm holding off until I see more of SS to get a good idea though.

>>16280495

>First true triple type

But that's wrong. Having an ability that enhances Steel moves still makes it only Ghost/Grass. Probably for the best really since having three types would become a clusterfuck real fast.

>>16281016

Gen 3 had some good designs, but I remember the animations for them being extremely lazy. Didn't they shake and stretch for the most part? Doesn't seem to instill as much life as Crystal did. Although the new designs in 3 were great, it really fucked with older designs and that's when some were permanently changed for future generations. Try comparing Houndoom in gen 2 and 3. Completely misses the point of what the original was going for.

>>16281588

Aside from what you listed, I'd say a main complaint of mine was how it started the "friendly rival" trend in the games. Rival theme is upbeat and non-threatening, plus I'm not huge on everyone spouting the power of friendship. Blue and Silver just wanted to kick your ass and took every opportunity to do it, and the theme really shows. Actually that could be said for all the major themes. Gym Leaders were tough and gen 2 has arguably the best champion theme.

>>16281639

>"It's Team Rocket again"

Fuck you, they're the best organization by far.

>>16280588

Vikavolt is based on the vic viper, of course it looks unnatural.

>>16281655

>Silver

Why do people like him anyway? He's a jobber that doesn't even do anything like stop Team Rocket or become Champion or even has a good team. At least Blue was a step ahead of you at every turn, and provided something to strive for. Cheren, Bianca, and fucking Hau in USUM are better characters than Silver too. Hell, Silver is only better than "muh sister's Purrloin" Hugh and all of Gen 6's rivals (and I guess May/Brendan and the fucking worthless SM Hau). Fucking cancer patient Wally is a better rival and a more interesting out of nowhere fight. Like, did you expect for GRIDS kid to come back after he was gone for almost the entire game to try and kick your ass?

>Fuck you, they're the best organization by far.

They're pretty good in Gen 1, but in Gen 2 they're kinda pathetic. Apparently they can't do anything without their boss, and their big thing is trying to get him back. Like, they took over the radio tower just to beg for him to take them back. I'm not even sure why they actually did the whole Lake of Rage thing, it always seems like they didn't know what they were really doing aside from causing chaos.

>>16281677

>Vikavolt is based on the vic viper

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>>16281632

Toxicroak is A+, Porygon-Z and Gallade are also good.

>>16281701

I think people like Silver because he's one of the few characters to actually have a personality even if that personality is "gigantic asshole" that isn't a bad guy per se. I agree with anon that "friendly rival's" are all boring as fuck and hard to remember but Blue being a dick and Silver being a dick are memorable, possibly because being a dick makes it so you want to beat them up even more. I just wish they had better lines when you beat their ass.

>>16280616

>>16280588

>>16281677

vikavolt looks artificial intentionally, because it looks like a digital bug.

other pokemon's artificiality (as the posters have said) is positive (the design includes it) to negative (general kiddie, lack of ideas, etc.).

>>16281782

s/it looks like a/it is a

>>16281720

Blue is mildly dickish, but Silver goes too far. Blue is more smug, and teases you in general. Silver is like "you're weak" then proceeds to lose to you, then still calls you weak. He's got less idea of what he's doing than Cheren, a guy who halfway through the story basically gets asked "why do you want to be strong" and can't actually come up with an answer even when the game is finished. I could go on about how Cheren and Bianca actually have arcs and development, but I'll just put it this way. Before B2W2 came out, I knew Bianca would become a Pokemon researcher, because at the end of the game she was helping Professor Juniper. I can't tell you what Silver would be doing because all he does is train at the Dragon's Den and rematch you sometimes. For the record, at the end of SM Hau does the exact same shit pretty much. Compare this to USUM where Hau got his shit together, actually completed his trials, and managed to be the second person to beat the Alola Elite 4, after you of course. There's a reason Barry is remembered as the best "friendly" rival. It's not because he's a jerk but because he attempts to back up his talk. He was the trainer with the highest leveled Pokemon until HGSS came out and sucked Red's dick even more. If you want a battle you can get excited for in GSC/HGSS, Red's certainly one of the best battles in the franchise. Maybe I'm too big on synergy between the story and the gameplay.

>>16270282

>BPC art

Their Shuckle is still the most hilarious thing.

There's also another set of beta art which is more accurate to the GS sprites (which means brown Sneasel). Also speaking of, remember when they used to call Entei 'Doomsday' due to the pokegod rumours?

>>16280501

If only they fixed that by halving the damage, as >>16280527 said.

>>16281210

>you effectively needed to waste two party slots on HM slaves

You also do on GSC.

>>16281153

>Crappy new monsters

Trash bag and ice cream cone aside, BW has many underlooked designs, especially the bugs.

>>16281162

>RSE keeps the "each type's attacks respond to only one kind of attack stat", which stands out more as there's more and better attacks. Ghost and Dark are the most glaring example, where it actually cripples 90% of the pokemon of said typings. You want to use Gengar or Mightyena? Too fucking bad, Ghost is physical and Dark is special. This forces you to only play with certain types on certain mons.

>While the designs are fantastic, the stats are more or less an afterthought: A good deal of them are either way below average (Chimecho, Castform, Roselia, any non-legendary version exclusive that isn't Zangoose), a great deal of them are made of wet paper and don't even have speed or gimmicks to compensate for that because Trick Room doesn't exist yet (Camerupt, Cacturne, Hariyama, Banette, Glalie)

>Feebas has possibly the dumbest fucking catching method

>Some abilities are great, but the ones that aren't show by a huge margin

>Can't transfer from the older games

A good deal of this is thankfully fixed from DPPt onward, but the damage might've already been done by then.

>>16281588

>Nature more cancerous than IVs

At least you can check that easily, and can make sure whatever you catch has that.

>>16281655

Didn't they shake and stretch for the most part?

Both animations in Emerald and Crystal feature a second sprite, the problem is that in Emerald you blink and you'll miss them, aside from the stretching and shaking.

>rivals

They're overrated and useless, whatever personality they have or not, you stomp their shit in easily. Silver has the "muh pokemon are tools" but can never use his "tools" right. In fact you, the player, are a better Silver than him: pick the best pokemon, movesets and whatever there are, stack up on items and fuck up whatever's left of the retards at Team Rocket who insist in being villains when they got wrecked by a literal kid and should be the laughing stock of every generation onwards. At least Barry's somewhat more competent than all of the others, friendly or not.

>>16281909

>If only they fixed that by halving the damage, as >>16280527 (You) said.

another idea i had, was a third hazard removal move:

poltergeist (ghost-type)

applies the effects of all entry hazards on user's side to the target, and then removes hazards from user's side.

(rapid spin and poltergeist should remove hazards regardless of whether or not the attack actually damages the target, imo).

sage for ideafagging

>>16281909

>Feebas has possibly the dumbest fucking catching method

I really like the concept of an obscure Pokemon like that. Both it and Spritiomb have horrible execution though. I don't know what would be good honestly, maybe it's always a bad idea. Vivillon patterns also are kinda fucky in that way, some are common trash while others are really rare. Doesn't help that some of the cooler ones are rare, not sure if that's intentional or if their rarity only makes me think they're cooler.

>>16281949

Honestly entry hazards are weird as a mechanic, they don't really know what they're doing with them. They can only be removed by two moves, and there's only like four of them right? There should be a few more, give ice one or maybe a few more ways of getting rid of them. Weather, "rooms", and the terrains all have more interesting interactions, and even then I think there needs to be a "sets room on entry" ability. And Inverse Room. But I just like inverse battles in concept so maybe I'm biased. I don't know why they went with sky battles as Gen 6's gimmick, nobody liked them and it ruined a bunch of Pokemon by giving them awful animations.

>>16271551

Gen IV was filled with cross gen evos so they probably just wanted to avoid them in gen V. In VI they probably thought it would clash with the mega evolutions, but we got Sylveon to show off the new type. In gen VII it was probably similar reasoning, but not to clash with the alolan variants instead.

There were so many gen VII pokemon with no evolution but still felt like they were an incomplete line that I wonder if we'll see some new cross gen evos in SS though.

>>16281959

>But I just like inverse battles in concept so maybe I'm biased.

I think i would like them better if they only swapped weaknesses and resistances, but left immunities alone.

>>16262603

>Also I just found out about Beta Mr. Mime. Seriously, why didn't they go with this design?

Because it looks generic.

One of the efforts of Pokemon is to have the critters try to not look like they belong on Dragonquest, which was so big in Japan(and is still is) that it sorta ends up being a IP you either want to copy or avoid copying. And Pocket Monsters was a game where they wanted to avoid that.

The same with designing all monsters with similar body type progression, where at some point they went against it.

>>16269891

Its easy to blame it on the 3D.

Gen 1-2 shares the same design process. 3 has some weird flakes, but so do 4 for exactly the same reasons.

Once you get to gen 5, there is a lot of design fatigue kicking in. Some things just looks weird and out of place. A lot isn't consistent with Gen 1-4 designs.

The refactor is most likely also reduced for the designs, producing worse results.

3D only piles up for Legendaries, where they turn out to be extremely over designed, or Monsters who have weird fancy breeding appendages.

>>16274640

Gamefreak can create strong gameplay games. But the current situation is that since they are swimming in money they don't have to, and weird things happen due Japanese work culture or corporate inculture.

Sure, you can't trust them with programming, but there is a lot you can do still.

>>16281632

>Roserade

Would fuck it.

>>16282142

>last one

That's some nightmare fuel.

>>16282142

There was a reason in the bible on why we werent allowed to see the true face of God

>>16282693

>incredibly rare pokemon

It is found ONLY at Seafolk Village, 1% normally, 10% in the bubbling water so it is quite rare. Given that the seafolk seem to dock there regularly, it's possible some older ship parts are found specifically there. Maybe it as a species just prefers that specific setup? Maybe whatever seaweed is in Hoenn likes other stuff. They did say it looked like it could rear up and attack. Anyway the point is in this game Dhelmise is incredibly consistent with the way it's presented. Naturally as it shows up in more games it will make less sense, as Pokemon often do when they show up in other games.

>>16282749

Yeah, he's a weird looking one. I tried using one but I think he has a high ATK and low SPC ATK which means he's shit bc all electric moves are SPC ATK in gen 3.

>>16282801

I could sort of get it in like the first fucking Pokemon of Gen 1, where they didn't invent types yet. But by Gen 3 they either should have done the physical/special split, or made Pokemon with their primary stat in mind. I feel the former didn't happen because of some retarded technical limitation (or Game Freak's retarded) and the latter didn't happen because they wanted to do the former and didn't bother to change it (or, see above).

>>16282160

>God shows his back to a mountain

>It explodes and Moses is knocked out

Kinda amusing in hindsight.

>>16282812

>or Game Freak's retarded

I'm leaning towards this one considering their past decisions and the many revelations concerning their incompetence over the years.

>>16282785

Okay Pajeet.

>>16282812

I used to dismiss it as them trying to push you into making a shitty pokemon usable or finding creative ways in which to use it in battle, to make it all it could be. But now I'm convinced GF is retarded.

>>16282912

>Blaziken is bad because the shitstains that followed it couldn't be arsed dor origibal typing

Fuck you.

>>16282926

Fuck too drunk to type right

>>16282912

At least Incineroar went in a somewhat interesting typing direction, and theoretically has a lot of personality. I say theoretically because he barely does anything interesting in any Gen 7 game, although from what little I've seen in Smash he's a pretty good heel.

>>16282932

I honestly don't like Incineroar, but what bugs me most is his design (aside from the roundness that's become all too prevalent across all designs) is it just fucking screams Fire/Fighting, even his moveset is mostly fire fighting moves with some dark. The only reason I feel they made him Fire/Dark was because they didn't want another stream of complaints about another fire/fighting. Seriously, what's up with Fire/Fighting being so overused? Emboar on the other hand actually looks like he could pass off for fire/dark though.

>>16282812

Never forget how shadow ball lowered special defense despite being phys(but crunch actually lowered the right defense in-spite of this).

Something tells me even chunks of gamefreak didn't know there wasn't a split.

Nearly all gen 1 fire mons were phys despite it being special.

>>16283007

what the in the mother of fuck is the context of that second image dude

>>16283222

>post asking about thing gets trips

>the time i posted it has dubs of the same number

Its a real proto mon, Blaziken and Latias actually had the same origin.

>>16262522

>>16283203

I'm thinking that the people designing the mons were the ones deciding the bst and typing and they had no idea how the game mechanics worked, which is why shit like Kingler has the stats it does. Ken would be sitting there looking at his giant enemy crabe and thinking, "beeg craw heet hard but crabu dumb" and he tells the codemonkeys in the back that it needs high Atk and low Special. They just follow orders and dgaf.

The people designing the moves and stuff? Same shit.

>Crabhammer

>Bite

>elemental punches

>all special

>shit like swift and hyper beam is physical

>Everyone is just operating off the assumption the tech side of things has a reasonable system in place to handle these things.

You can tell that said tech side was trying to kind of nigger rig a solution to these issues with the sheer amount of awful mixed attackers in gen 3.

>just give them 100/100 attacking stats and let the kids slap whatever move they want on them fuck it.