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>>16253590

>But…but! he said he liked DmC: Didn't Make Cash! Dingus Milking Cuckold was a success! reeeeeeeeeeeee! - Journoshits

OP, timestamp please.

>>16253590

I wonder how the DmC2 guy feels about this

All I can say is I'm glad he got his way. 5 is everything I wanted it to be.

Aside from Tameem crying about this revelation, Keiji Inafune must be pissed off, his resignation letteer and Capcom didn't blink an eye on his threat, it's pretty sad story that from Megaman Zero and Network, Onimusha and projects like Lost Planet and Dead Rising, both games that Capcom didn't have any faith on, got the go ahead because Inafune managed to go to Sony and Microsoft and showcase both games and got the go ahead, scarcely imagine how pissed off the suits were on him, still a sad story of how the mighty has fallen.

>>16253643

Thanks

>>16253590

Good on Itsuno. This is how you deal with companies that have lost touch with reality. I hope he wants to make Dragon's Dogma 2 happen in the same way.

>>16253655

When it comes to Inafune it seems for every good thing he was responsible for, there is an equal and opposite shit thing he was also responsible for

>>16253655

Well the thing is that Inafune was a hack. We've seen it with Mighty 9, Recode, etc. Additionally Megaman 11 was actually quite solid, so Capcom must've known this and acted accordingly.

>>16253658

Yeah, but DMC5 needed to happen first. I'm sure DD2 will happen in another two or three years.

>“Hats off to him(Itsuno) and hats off to Capcom for going all out and they literally gave him everything he requested and wanted for this game. And it’s paying off.”

<If you keep talent on board the company and give them the assets they need they can make a good product and you don't have to rely purely on the scummy fucks of the marketing division

WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY FORESEEN THIS

>>16253669

I understand. When given the choice I would have picked DMCV too. We know he still has the skills, so I look forward to what he does next.

>>16253671

Revolutionary thinking really. No one could have foreseen this.

>>16253590

I'd thought he wanted to quit less over DMC turning into a pile of shit and more over his own pet project Dragon's Dogma being screwed over due to Capcom forcing his team to release it half finished then turning the IP into a freemium mmo without his input.

>>16253660

The friction and shitty attention whore stunt he did with "Japan is over" and his leftover suggestions of giving Western Studios funding to make games for their IPs had disastrous consequence for a lot of companies, Lost Planet 3 was shit, Dead Rising 2 was good, then the next one was mediocre, and fuck the last one.

>>16253664

He's a hack that had friction with several other developers in Capcom and while he was right about the suits being a bunch of out of touch retards, he did that in a shitty way as possible while shit talking about the state of the industry and emboldening those indie hipsters like Phil Fish, he might have done good in getting Microsoft to help get Dead Rising off the ground, but dear god, it made his ego big.

>>16253655

After the whole MN9 debacle, I'm curious as to how much of Lost Planet was Inafune's love child and not someone else's conception.

>>16253709

He generally had good ideas, but he went way over his fucking head with the management in Capcom and that blatantly pandering and using Western Studios to make games to cater to them was a good idea, it's just a combination of insight and hubris if you look at his career in Capcom

Now Reuben's gonna get himself fired, and they're gonna have to find another Dante.

>>16253691

>The bait is truth

>It's cuckchan because I'm a soulless fucker

No but seriously, seek help if you can't enjoy fucking Devil May Cry.

>>16253736

Heard it did better than REmake 2 but not as good as MonHun World.

>>16253738

Reuben Is untouchable, he was the first one who talked about DMC5.

>>16253736

Second best selling Crapcom game on PC. Already outsold DmC's lifetime sales I believe.

>>16253738

I heard he went full Alex Jones, but I can't really find anything. What exactly happened?

>>16253655

Inafune almost killed capcom. Itsuno is basically bringing capcom back from the dead.

>>16253750

I guess they cannot kill him. HE IS OMEGA Thank Christ above the pirated version comes with the music I can swap out

>>16253760

I, uh, fuck, I'll wait for the speshul edition on sale below 20$ and after denuvo has been removed before buying, Mr Shekelstein.

>>16253754

Review your statement, because Inafune might be a fucking retard, Capcom fucking up wasn't due to one man, it's their nameless suits and out of touch business decisions that are still there, and also don't say Itsuno saved or redeemed Capcom yet, still too early.

>>16253767

Inafune was instrumental in pushing for americanization. It was what almost lead to capcom getting bought by EA.

>>16253778

REmake 2 and DMCV wouldnt even exist.

>>16253780

Not under Inafune

>>16253780

Just imagine EA or Ubisoft owning resident evil and DMC. And street fighter. EA making street fighter on a conveyor belt like Madden.

>>16253746

>I heard he went full Alex Jones

Listening to the voice of Dante talk about alien documentation in the Vatican is surprisingly fun.

>>16253778

Inafune was already out of Capcom when the 2012-2014 of Capcom's constant fuck ups from RE6 CoD, Remember Me and ect. And mismanagement happened, and you really believed that clickbait story? Japanese Companies can't be bought outright wholesale by foreign ones, and in this instance, EA.

>>16253801

If you get far into it, he mentioned Q. Maybe we could get him here?

>>16253829

Oh fuck, he'd probably be down to do an AMA on here as long as we didn't call him a pentanigger or something.

>>16253760

>>16253756

>>16253765

I still think that cover of Subhuman some guy did on YouTube should have been put into the game. It's a hell of a lot more tolerable to listen to, the song actually kind of works when you aren't trying to just trying to scream until you faint.

>>16253860

Fucked up my sentence at the end there, shit.

>>16253845

You can't purge people too retarded to get bullied.

never forget that the qboomers post on their board with full names and email adresses

>>16253869

Get that kike out of here before you spoil the mood.

>>16253872

Don't you insult Mark Kern.

>>16253869

It's a weird fucking universe when Mark is not the most deformed person in a picture.

>>16253888

Trips confirm.

>>16253744

He also likes to talk about Aliens and world energy.

>>16253625

I can see how he would have some affection for the game, seeing as how it was still his job to make the thing semi-playable, making it his baby too to a certain degree. I can also see how the whole process would have been incredibly draining, especially when the thing didn't sell.

My paste did some weird shit, here we go again.

Just for the hell of it I was thinking of a spin-off which would "rescue" names from DmC but giving them a different use.

Devil May Cry - Agency

(or whatever title you want, just wanted to focus on the "contract" part some people would like to see.)

>Dante and Vergil are still on vacation (aka, the underworld.)

>Demon activity is more or less under control.

>Part of the gang get the tip about demons attacking a place nearby.

>There is a misterious figure in the middle of the mess wielding a weird weapon.

>the guy swings a few times, the weapon transforms into an axe, then after a swing or two the guy's appearance fades into a different person, said person is now wielding a scythe.

>Stuff happens, misunderstandings, etc., battle ends, guy held at gunpoint by the DMC crew, then the other "shape" of comes out from within his body somehow.

>Basically both of them are pure demons who took a liking to the human world, their fighting style revolves around "fusing" and "switching" places with one another using a basic devil arm as conduit, their names? Arbiter and Osiris.

>if some plot is needed, let's say they mention how you can't really isolate both worlds completely but powerful demons need "bigger" portals which means Dante and Vergil can come back any time but their power has grown so much they would need to open a big portal which would imply the risk of letting bigger demons into the human world.

That's it.

>>16253915

All three of the characters also get a full dance animation with the 3 million orb taunt

>>16253917

When you read the interviews about how DmC happened because Capcom and Itsuno liked Heavenly Sword's emotional garbage story, while not asking Bamco earlier about how Enslaved went where they got convinced by Tamtam and Weeaboo Theory to make a game about a failed movie script, you can see this was a big problem. Itsuno couldn't even redeem that piece of shit game in the Definitive Edition. And Tameem fucking up the game's marketing and PR while having his sycophantic buddies in the game blogging world keep defending years later would tarnish the series. It's funny, you can see the DmC "influences" if you'd like to call it that in the game, but by god, it's "Edge Done Right" not that pretentious current year socio-political nonsense rebel story about Donte

>>16253957

>>16253972

>The SJW fuckboy that killed the Best Friends because he couldn't handle Pat's bantz

No thanks

>>16253981

I am not up to date with those but the video basically says Capcom was unable to get a hint when making DmC.

Interview also says that Dante is based off Roy Focker of Macross

>>16253984

>I am not up to date with those but the video basically says Capcom was unable to get a hint when making DmC.

Matt's a faggot anon, and Capcom did get the fucking hint after the abysmal reception and savage bants that ensued but Weeaboo Theory was already far in development and Itsuno was trying to salvage the gameplay, and for some reason, they couldn't stop Tameem's fucking mouth and had to do constant damage control, there's still stories about how Tameem snuck that "Not in a million years" line bullshit while Capcom forced them to give Donte some old school costumes that actually give him the dreaded white hair

>>16254004

>some old school costumes

Every costume but default has white hair.

>>16254009

And his Devil Trigger gives him white hair while he goes on a drug hallucination that makes the world be a punk rock music video, it's still a wonder to this day how Capcom reacted to Tamtam's tantrum on the hair color, that pissed off people, whether or not they were even aware of that before shipping the game.

>>16254132

use Circle to throw the hat on a enemy, now that enemy drops red orbs when you hit him with any other weapon even before dying, use the surplus red orbs to shoot with Square.

Cant you read the skill list anon?

>>16254158

I saw that but it looked like you could get orbs by just shooting an enemy with orbs, they must have had the hat on and I didn't notice

>>16254132

I kinda held off on using it, but hitting an enemy with the throw attack should make them drop more orbs.

>>16254158

Also, the attack to pull in everyone you hit with a hat is incredibly good, as it'll even pull in and knock down enemies you can't outright launch like the proto angelos or furies.

>>16254132

Switch to gunslinger. Press gunslinger button. Press gunslinger button as hat comes back into dante's hand. Get insane orbs.

You're welcome.

>>16253671

But anon, we could save a lot of money by hiring Pajeet instead.

>>16254158

>>16254171

>>16254183

This is now my favorite weapon in the game. Timing your catch and dragging in a ton of enemies as orbs rain down on you is an incredible feeling

>>16254004

I find it interesting that they tried to salvage DmC given the poor reception and how much of a dick Tameem was towards the rest of the franchise, the fans and Itsuno. I guess Itsuno having some fondness for it given that he tried to make it work would make sense.

>>16254268

I'm sure the definitive edition was just Capcom hoping to eventually recuperate their losses, given the fact that with Sales of the entire series some people are bound to spend that extra few dollars on DmC just so they have every game.

While DmCDE apparently made allot of good fixes, at the same time, for the most part making it was nothing more then swapping some numbers around, it must have been incredibly cheap.

>>16254252

If you upgrade faust to level 4 you'll get about 400,000-500,000 red orbs per dante play if you do nothing but spam the move in fights. You should be able to get the 3 mil taunts relatively easily then. Spending the 500,000 for the level 4 upgrade is well worth it.

>>16253725

They didn't though? He plays incredibly similarly, and the whole arm thing doesn't add enough depth compared to the whole 3 cut weapons from DMC4 would've done. They didn't give him really any love. Really they should've let you hotswap arms, but they didn't so now it's really shallow.

Does anyone have advice for Urizen round 2 with Nero? I can see the mistakes I make when I get hit by everything other than the timestop bubble. If I ever get caught in that thing I always get hit by a follow up attack, and unless I'm full screen away from Urizen I can't seem to dodge them.

I refuse to go to mission 9 until I S rank this shit.

>Play Bayonetta and other Platinum game

>People say they are dumbed down DMC gameplay

>Play DMCV

>Moves are based on one attack button and different timing

>Doesn't even have holding down the one button just pressing, delay then press, and mashing

>Robot arms mostly seem to do the same thing when in combos, just pulling enemies near me

>The fact they break and are used in a last in first out collection system limits ones ability to test them out

>No loading screen practice

>Unlocked most of Nero's moves as far as I can tell so this seems to be the standard

>V is neat in that his moves are more or less independent and at the same time, but seems to be limited in its variety due to a lack of

>Can't be bothered to progress the story to unlock Dante

Is DMCV a bad entry point into the series or something?

>>16254607

>>V is neat in that his moves are more or less independent and at the same time, but seems to be limited in its variety due to a lack of usefulness

>>16254607

It's a pretty okay game that really wants you to have played the others first, and carries it based on fanservice. It's not a horrible game, it's just not as good as other entries into the series. Basically all characters are set up in previous games with the exception of V and Van Goblin.

It plays a lot differently than bayonetta, and 1 or 3 is a better entry point into the series for the general difficulty and how you want to play. DMC5's "normal" mode is incredibly easy and creates bad habits.

TLDR; Not really, but it's a very fanservicey game that carries the entire story based on you already liking the characters. You shouldn't play it like bayonetta or that type of game either.

>>16254607

Dante is peak complexity in Devil May Cry games. Once you see how the style system works at first you'll be overwhelmed but then you'll be giddy.

Also I don't know who shit talked Bayonetta and called it dumbed down, even if people like DMC as a series more Bayonetta is amazing.

I love how most stories of Japanese game development start with a bit of drama, a great bargain, and a long arduous story of loving development. Be it hopeful Futatsugi creating a flagship title for a fledgling platform to leading a team rife with literal death on a monolithic RPG to stories like this. Kamiya's frustration with pre-teen testers, and moonman making things harder just because he can.

Western development usually sounds all fairy dust idealistic and made safe and gay. Every kickstarter starts the same way. "one of the most", "revolutionized the industry", "finally a dream team", "nostalgia." Never any of these "well everything was shitty so I threatened them with the rage of a thousand suns and then everything ended up well."

>>16254621

Bayonetta's prolouge was amazing and interesting, it left me wanting to know more about the game and the world. It had enough mystery, and it also gave me a glimps of what Bayonetta is capable of in the form of the wicked weave attacks. Why would anyone want to drop it after that?

I know absolutly nothing about what makes Nero so great, so far he's had arm stolen and ass handed to him. I'm assuming that his arm could do impressive shit given its a plot point that it was stolen, but I literaly know nothing about DMC beyond brand recognition.

>>16254625

>You shouldn't play it like bayonetta or that type of game either.

Then how should I play it, if not CUHRAYZEE?

>>16254630

How far into the game is Dante?

I see people shit on all of Platinums games for having "the same X Y combo system", yet so far its had more depth then this game has.

>>16254607

>Doesn't even have holding down the one button

Each of the three characters has at least a few of these though. With Nero alone, holding down square gets you multi-hit bullets and charge shot, holding down triangle launches him towards enemies and holding down circle gives you a powerful attack unique to whichever Devil Breaker you have equipped in exchange for losing that Devil Breaker (e.g. Gerbera is a giant laser if on the ground/ricochet lasers if in the air, Punch Line is a really strong uppercut, etc).

V has several levels of held button attacks for both Shadow and Griffon & Dante has too many to list.

>Robot arms mostly seem to do the same thing when in combos, just pulling enemies near me

It sounds like you're locked onto enemies while pressing the Devil Breaker button. To use their unique attacks to have to not be locked on, otherwise you pull them towards you.

>No loading screen practice

The Void is DMC5's equivalent of this.

>Can't be bothered to progress the story to unlock Dante

You're missing out on why most people love DMC so much if you haven't played Dante yet. When people talk about the complexity of DMC3, 4 and 5's combat they tend to be referring to him. His styles and number of weapons give him a ridiculous amount of options, especially when the styles are fully upgraded.

>Is DMCV a bad entry point into the series or something?

I don't know if I'd say it's necessarily a bad entry point but I personally wouldn't recommend starting with it. I'd say either 1 or 3 is best, particularly the latter if complex combat is what you're after.

Apart from all that, try Exceeding (pressing the rev button after a sword attack) when you swing Nero's sword. If you time it right it not only does more damage per swing but also gives you new moves that he doesn't have access to otherwise.

Check out this video for how a taste of how it can play once you invest some time in it. Don't worry about spoilers because there aren't any in it.

>>16254696

>I'd say either 1 or 3 is best to start with*

>>16254674

I'm replaying the game after I bought it, so I'm not 100% sure. I think it's something like mission 10 or 11.

Also Nero is kind of an oddball in his complexity. Are you using his reloads and Exceed system? Once I add in constantly trying to hold down the shoot button to reload and timing to an Exceed charge from every hit of a combo it becomes a lot for me to juggle. Having access to EX moves by spending Exceed gauge opens up juggle opportunities a lot.

>>16254674

Well first off dodging is really shitty, and jumping is what you want to do in most situations. The rest is minor differences that really alter how you play a ton that you need to get a feel for. But the games play a lot differently.

>>16254696

I really wish they'd just focus on one character and really flesh them out as opposed to having half finished but more polished nero, and whatever the fuck V is supposed to be.

>>16254702

>>16254696

I forgot about the gun charge and had no idea what the revving did beyond make the sword glow red and do more damage, it would have been nice if they had a better explination of it in game, or a tutorial that wouldn't progress unless you proved you knew what you were doing like bayonetta 2 did IIRC.

>>16254712

>dodging is really shitty, and jumping is what you want to do in most situations

Thats retarded

>>16254729

The dodge roll is fine but jumping is equally as useful, since it's start up has invincibility frames.

This is Bayonetta kind of just gives you full movelists for each weapon, DMC you need to buy all of those abilities first.

But basically DMC5 is the combination of 11 years of waiting, I'm sure you'll fine things to like especially once you get to Dante.

But even after you beat DMC5, if you go back and play DMC1 3 and 4, you will enjoy DMC5 allot more since it's meant to bring closure to tons of loose threads the series has had.

>>16254729

Dodging is really good if you Table Hopper dodge. It makes sense though, why just move laterally on the ground if you can move laterally and up into the air? You're even further off of your enemy's attack axis.

Also you are right in that EX moves aren't explained very well. Hit start and go into your skills, for every special move you've bought (that isn't a combo) there will be an EX variation listed. Example, you have High Roller. Lock on, walk backwards attack. With 1 EX meter you'll light your sword on fire during it. With 2, more fire, three hits and a lot more launch height. With a full Exceed gauge High Roller will hit like six times and bring you and your target all the way up to the roof of the room, leaving a ton of time for aerial comboing. Every special move is like this, where there are four forms of the attack. One without Exceed, and three different EX moves depending on how much Exceed you have stocked.

>>16254696

Holy shit is that guy on adderall? Even without turbo I can barely manage using 3 weapons of each at once. Damn I have a long way to go…

>>16254843

When you're playing DMC you are playing in Donguri-san's realm. You should check out his videos of other DMC games.

>>16254856

Yeah I'm noticing it, the guy is on another fucking level and here I thought completing a mission with S rank and no damage was an achievement.

>>16254712

I don't mind having characters other than Dante but yeah Dante is definitely the meat of both games. That said I never disliked playing Nero even in 4 and I appreciate how much they fleshed him out in 5. V I think will take some time before people start figuring out how to do crazy combos with him, I still have no idea what use enemy step is for him. In any case when Bloody Palace comes out I'll definitely have a go at it with Nero and V occasionally even if Dante still eats up of most of my time.

>>16254843

Don't worry about it too much, with Dante in particular it's easy to get brain farts because of how many options he has available at once. I've played through DMC4 so many times and I still find myself forgetting to switch styles or jump cancel while switching weapons etc.

Look up Redgrave Kyo as well, he's another really good player but I didn't link his DMC5 combo video for the other guy because it spoils some of Nero's mechanics.

>>16254607

>>16254674

>>16254729

First if you like action games why would you wait this long to play get into the DMC do you really need to go into a thread asking how to get into a series like DMC rather than just you know doing it already. Second do you really need to be told how to experiment with combos and moves if you've played Bayonetta? If you really need to know DMC and Bayonetta are very different games Kamiya only worked on the first DMC game and the rest of the series was worked on by Itsuno and plays fairly differently from Bayonetta you could probably guess that considering that they are different series but whatever. Lastly why would you try to enter this series on the last entry go back and play 1 3 4 and then come back to 5 how hard is that to understand?

tl;dr You shouldn't need to go asking on /v/ about how 2 play DMC just do it and for the love of christ play 1, 3, and 4 first god damn. You aren't a newfag either presumably anyway so you've probably seen those combo mads posted here that's the complexity people are talking about you gay nigger christ.

>>16254921

Calm down anon. Dont go full nuclear

>>16254932

Given that some of the complaints you made about DMC not being Bayo were pretty retarded (ie too slow to not poke around menus are play the game) I felt the need to be blunt.

But seriously you aren't a child and you aren't a retard. This isn't something esoteric like Dwarf Fortress or CDDA just play the games and figure it out instead of coming here to bitch that you were too lazy to finish 9 god damn missions and decided not to play the games that all lead into DMCV for some idiotic reason.

>>16254915

As a casual DMC guy I really like V which is surprising for me I usually detest playing as people with minions.

>>16253766

V is like one big piss take on DmC's aesthetics except he's actually likeable in a goofy, awkward kind of way. Apparently one of Nico's pictures shows him drinking a can of the soda from DmC or whatever too.

>>16254970

>V drinking soda

Post pls

>tfw Royal Guarding Vergil to death in SoS

I am a rock

>>16254625

Honestly i found DMC5 harder than 4, is it just me?

Am i becoming a boomer?

>>16254970

Well yeah the real problem with DmC is that they thought what they were making is cool and stuff that is silly is lame. Which is the opposite of what DMC is. Which is a very silly goofy thing that becomes cool because it doesn't care.

>>16255012

I think a lot of the enemies in 4 really weren’t designed with Dante in mind so once you get him you can just bulldoze over everything. In DMC5 there are enemies more tailored to Dante and with good counters to him.

>>16255012

Anons commenting on how easy DMC5's Devil Hunter is have forgotten how ridiculously easy DMC4 was all the way through to DMD, it's not just you.

It's also this >>16255028, it doesn't take long in the game to realize it isn't balanced around Dante.

>>16254994

trickster or royal guard more satisfying?

>>16255039

Royal Guard for sure. Nothing like perfect guarding all of his attacks to have him rush face first into a perfect counter depleting a giant chunk of his health, though I think I’m gonna work on fighting against him like this >>16254868. Looks way more stylish.

>>16255053

Also, you’ll get an easy S rank on the harder difficulties if you can learn to perfect guard his moves.

So is DMC5 any good or should I wait until speshul snowflake edition comes out next year?

>>16255057

Just Guards are more forgiving, right? It was a six frame window in DMC3 and it was less than that in 4, it has to be more than that in 5.

>>16255063

First game I waited a crazy amount of time for that actually lived up to my expectation. About the only complaints I have is the censorship and ugly female faces.

>>16255068

Definitely more forgiving but not to the point where it still isn’t difficult yet satisfying to pull off.

HE TOOK HIS NOTES!

>>16255118

It's going to be a damn shame if Capcom doesn't do an RE4 style mercenaries character selection for Bloody Palace.

Just give us a bunch of wacky joke characters like Crewcut-kun and Vergil pls

>>16255129

Vergil has already been leaked. He’ll either be in the free update or dlc

>>16254915

Nero in 5 didn't really get fleshed out though, is my main problem. They just polished the little that he had and threw the arms that didn't really add too much on top of it. Like I don't get why they didn't include the cut weapons from 4 , give him something actually substantial to play with here. The arms just don't add enough.

>>16255139

I think it's ok with nero being babby's easy mode to explore the game and understand what you're getting into before playing Dante.

My only complain is that if you get too used to Nero you might fuck up hard when switching to Dante.

>>16255139

I dunno, the arm gimmick makes for a nice change of pace as on harder difficulties you need to create loadouts for levels and bosses to make up for Nero’s weak melee attacks.

>>16255178

You can cheese almost everything with ragtimes and punchlines.

>>16255027

Nero is kind of a try hard, but he gets put in situations that make him being a try hard more comedic than serious.

>>16255139

They add enough that Nero doesn't feel like half a character, but he still gets overshadowed hard by Dante. They could still give him a few weapons or something. He is a hobbyist mechanic that developed the Red Queen's design, so it is possible we will see Nico and him create new weapons with different gimmicks in a sequel.

>>16255208

Oh come on, at least give Tomboy the credit it deserves.

>>16255261

>>16255262

wew

Can you give me some advice for SoS Nero S ranks? Everything dies too quickly so I can't gain decent style points, not mentioning that I can't get SSS in void without using DT.

Should I stop using charged shots and exceed moves? It's mission 15 that I have problem with.

>>16254949

I'm not that anon.

>>16255525

Guess I can't read IDs, whoops

I was a little disapointed when I found out Balrog wasn't a boss

>>16253590

I like Reuben but he's kind of dumb

>>16253671

good products don't sell as much as scummy marketing tactics because 12 year olds exist in greater quantities than gamers

>>16255626

>gamers

>unironically calling yourself a gamer

>>>/4um/

>>16254921

>First if you like action games why would you wait this long to play get into the DMC

I didn't know I liked action games till I played MGR, and I have been boycotting Capcom games since 2011 and never bothered to pirate the rereleases on PC due to fear of ISP retaliation, however I moved a little over a year ago and no longer have to fear retaliation, so I can pirate more games now.

I saw threads about DMCV getting cracked and thought I might as well finally give them a try starting with the newest one.

>>16254132

Bang it into the enemy with circle a few times on r GS, shoot them a little with motion moves, and then trade off to E&I for rainstorm, get a few fireworks shows in there, and get a big splash with that KA down shot; that should get the enemy dropping enough shit to make your pennies into pounds.

Why the fuck wasn't Bloody Palace part of the initial release? This has been the standard for the entire series

>>16255683

>I didn't know I liked action games till I played MGR

same here

>>16254576

>3 cut weapons from DMC4

>>16255812

Nero was supposed to get some weapons for killing the 3 demon bosses in 4 but you get nothing instead.

>>16255858

><spews profanity like it gives him more power

It literally did, though :^)

Real talk: could DMC6 being Nero only work? Would the fans accept no Dante in the game or perhaps he would be an unlock after you beat the game? I don't think fans would be too happy about no Dante.

>>16255739

Except for 1…

Be grateful we're in an era where a AAA company is giving us a free DLC.

>>16255901

Do you think there will be player vs player in it? Would that be to terrible an idea to even bother with?

>>16255908

Did you read what he said

>>16255910

Co-op is heavily rumoured, but the final boss being Dante/V/Nero controlled by a real player would be nuts.

>>16255908

>first boss

>barely hit SS

>unspecified difficulty

What's this supposed to prove again?

>>16255921

>air-mash triangle

>only uses the breaker to down him so he doesn't go into second phase

>is able to do this four times and achieve S rank

I didn't know that not having to work for your style meter was acceptable, my mistake.

>>16255908

Honestly that's pretty good for the starting moveset.

>>16255929

>S rank

>meaningful

lol

>>16255174

Do you have to kill urizen to get S rank in the prologue and the other mission you fight him in?

>>16255934

>17 seconds

>fighting a bunch of little shits

>comparing that to fighting a boss

>>16255935

You get S rank by having a style rating of around S in every fight; anything over 5000 style points will give you S rank on missions.

>>16255908

>those successive exceed charges

Not bad

>>16255934

>>16255948

>>16255968

Hitting SSS has never been meaningful either, the challenge is MAINTAINING THE RANK for a whole fight.

Show me a clip of someone pulling that off with Nero on DMD just spamming breakers and one combo and I'll take the claim seriously

>>16255973

>bust out nevan in a small room

>triangle+left

>mash

>SSS lasts until everyone fucking dies to the single jam session

Maintained it for a whole fight.

>>16255977

>nero

>nevan

big think here

>>16255935

I don't think you have to kill him but lasting as long as you can definitely helps i'm sure.

>>16255948

>anything over 5000 style points will give you S rank on missions.

Maybe with the no continues multiplier, but I know for a fact that Mission 5 on DMD I needed 6000 points since 5000 wasn't cutting it.

>>16255986

>needing to continue for any reason

you need to not be trash

>>16255977

It's a shame nevan isn't in the game.

>>16255984

It really is, they've brought Beowulf & Beowulf associates back for two fucking games, and they let the best weapon in the franchise just rot.

>>16255984

>>16255994

He's saying that claiming Nero isn't deep because he can easily reach and maintain SSS rank is a poor argument, because Dante in 3 can do the same thing with Nevan.

>>16256000

Nevan is a really good weapon though and not getting hit when that weapon forces you into the move unless you guard cancel out of it is tiresome. Either way, the main point here is nero has very little depth outside of his exceed, since all of his circle moves are a random mixed bag of actions, such as tricking around or doing free royal release, or even getting the buster arm back. The fact that you can't cycle arms and you don't get to use them freely means you are stuck playing one until you use the super on it, break to the next one and fuck around with that moveset extension. If nero had even one more weapon I'd argue he'd be made a lot deeper, but all his attacks are just different triangle mashes that don't lace well into the gunplay, and depending on the arm moving to a circle press isn't always viable or useful. Max-ACTing gives you tons of free damage and style points no matter what combos you're doing, and I get that max act is inherently a stylish skill, but it feels real shallow

>>16256152

With any of the SE characters you basically have to play it on Legendary Dark Knight to get any challenge out of it at all.

>>16255995

Beowulf was already an Ifrit associate though. At least Balrog added a new twist on the formula.

>>16255977

While that seems like objective information it's really not telling the whole story, since maintaining SSS on every mob isn't necessarily going to net you an S rank in the Style category at the end of the mission, especially if you're only getting SSS from crowd control moves and especially on the higher difficulties.

>>16255978

>You're also wrong on the style rating, as the overall requirement for an S rank gets higher depending on difficulty, for example SOS is 5500.

And DMD is 6000. God knows why they didn't just make extra splashes for SS and SSS mission end-ranks and set them at 8000+ and 10,000+ to acknowledge superior performance.

>>16256152

That's pretty similar to how that fight goes with Dante actually

>>16256280

>first part

I should clarify I was specifically talking about DMC3's ranking system, although I guess the same's true for 5 anyway

>>16255858

>JUST HOW MUCH INSPIRATION DID THEY TAKE FROM GACHI?

No coincidence that confirmation sounds in menus sounds like darkholme saying "fuck you".

>Mission 19

>fantastic final fight that gives me and dante the closure from the series he probably needed

>nero cuts in the middle

>dante is bitchslapped out of the way

>"this is my game I'm gonna be the one to do it"

>"I'm gonna make sure you two don't kill each other"

why the fuck was dante powered down so heavily? The amount of love that went into dante's gameplay as opposed to his character makes me cringe, especially when nero's doing the out-of-place hero routine. Dante and vergil were probably going to smack each other in sin form and then collapse together, talking about how shitty everything has been recently, have a heart to heart, and then go off to the demon world together, nero just adds a step in that process and removes the closure dante would have had from that.

>>16256414

I'm pretty sure Dante and Vergil were absolutely trying to kill each other in that fight. Why else would Dante say "I can't have you go kill your old man" to Nero?

>>16256448

Because dante knew nero would actually try to kill vergil otherwise

>>16256479

Nah, Dante and Vergil were going to kill each other. That was pretty clear from the get go.

This gives a whole new meaning to “pay to win”

>>16256414

How do you expect Vergil’s bastard son raised by a crazy cult and forced to kill his family to act? if you really aren’t happy, he still got bitch slapped by both Dante and Vergil in the end.

>>16256497

wew lad

>>16256497

>DANTE STOP THIS, THIS IS NOT "YEEHAW COWBOY" TIME THIS IS FIGHT TIME, TAKE OFF THAT RIDICULOUS HAT IMMEDIATELY

>>16256510

I think this would genuinely mind break the Vergil

>>16256414

Dante's had plenty of screen time and moments, it was Nero's time and he also saved us from having Dante or Vergil die.

>>16256487

Yeah, which is why when they're in hell they are still both not dead.

>>16256548

>DANTE, TAKE THIS HAT OFF OF ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SCOUNDREL, YOU BUFFOON

>>16256555

>…Huh it's actually a nice fit. Not bad.

>>16256637

To be fair those Fortuna girls are huge sluts for sons of Sparda considering he is their Jesus.

>you should not underestimate this demon

It took me watching the silly development cutscenes to realize, but they really did just grab a vergil line, I'm pretty sure he says that. Or maybe I'm just thinking of "I'll show you this demon's power"

>development cutscene for the prologue uses dante's encounter with Cerberus song.

>>16256510

>>16256555

>the fight begins

>Dante starts Michael Jackson dancing for 5 minutes while vergil looks in confusion

>vergil takes his stance and goes in

> as the moment dante drops the blood orb meteor nero flies in with devil trigger mode to push them away from one another

>vergil is pushed away as nero takes the full force of the blood orb meteor and dies yamcha style

>Dante is crying in anguish as vergil scrambling in his book to read about what the fuck just happened

JACKPOT!!!

>>16256637

There is that rare occurrence when a pussy gets motivated

>>16256637

And that's before we discovered he liked poems as a kid and has a book with his initial on it.

>>16256510

>I BRING YOU WAR AND YOU FROLIC THIS IS WHY I ALONE MUST OBTAIN POWER

Anyone else have a problem finding a use for SDT? Sin form just feels like It's way too situational and I can't even mentally map what I'm supposed to do when I do pull it out. It is cool as shit to look at though, I admit.

>>16256887

>if our roles were reversed, would we be on different paths?

I'm pretty sure dante would turn into kefka from FF6 if he was in vergil's position.

>>16256913

It definitely has some combo potential but I agree I'd rather just use vanilla DT since you know it has built in healing.

>>16256913

SDT is OP as fuck, and once I'm done with DMD I'm either doing a no damage run on DH or a no SDT run on SOS for the challenge.

>the Luce not does a ridiculous amount of damage (practically half of any boss' health bar on the first two difficulties) but also replenishes the normal DT gauge if it hits multiple enemies

>Demolition can be used in a pinch to eliminate troublesome enemies like Furies

>Judgment can be used as a flashy way to end fights and rack up some style at the end

and all of this is probably best used in conjunction with Quadruple S, since it won't exhaust your SDT gauge.

I found Nero's "muh not dead weight" motivation quite tiresome. At the end, when he broke apart Dante and Vergil's fight, it felt more like a dumbass kid getting in between a pair of twins having a reunion than Nero actually saving both.

Hell, Vergil can barely keep his grin off his face at the chance to fight his son, now that Dante spilled the beans.

For Nero it was a life-defining moment. For Vergil and Dante it was just a Tuesday.

>>16257084

That's really how I felt

>>16256937

>>16256932

>>16256924

I've been stuck at work for the past couple weeks, haven't got any good play time, maybe I'll start actually using it in DMD and SoS

>>16257108

Nice

>>>/v/16257349

Sadly you cannot get upboats and likes on this website, newfriend.

>>16257360

I'm not even mad, just curious why you're crossboard linking to the board you're already on.

>>>/v/16257394

>Being this new

>>16257360

>>16257400

>never knew you could do this

>>16256651

Considering his dialogue in 4 when he got Lucifer and the fact Lady and Trish are all over him, I think he got laid on the reg.

>>16257394

It's to keep him from getting (you)'s. Only autists do this.

>>16256637

Are you kidding me? Vergil is 100% chad also he could have raped them

>>>/v/16257669

its pretty clever

>>16257918

>dante looks like virgin

makes sense

He wanted to resign after the release of his favorite Devil May Cry game in the series (his own words)?

>>16257777

>virgil brings up dante during sex

>>16258477

>GETTING A LITTLE MOTIVATED

>BLAST

>BEGONE

Sounds about right.

>>16258479

Doesn't look like very much. Hard to find sales cause of digital shit.

Why does vergil get gimped health when he fights nero? Is this supposed to tell me that dante is worse than nero? I feel like the game is trying to play the player against dante and I can't help but feel that effort is misguided, since dante already went through his super difficult final fight.

>>16258786

>since dante already went through his super difficult final fight.

Same reason Mundus gets a significant health nerf when you fight him a second time in Mission 23 in DMC1. 1) He's exhausted from the previous fight, so there's a diegetic reason for it, and 2) it's a supposed-to-win fight so that you're guaranteed to end the game on a triumphant note. The difference isn't quite as drastic above DH anyway.

>>16258786

Vergil was a little bitch in DH mode but in SOS mode he was a proper final boss and he slapped my shit like how a father properly should slap a disobedient child.

And because of that I got my first D-rank

>>16258916

>take a ton of hits

>nearly die in a couple fights

>continues

>S ranks or A ranks

I feel like the style point system is a bit too simple for getting S mission clears. People are saying mission 10 was hard to S rank or something, also? I S ranked it on first clear, maybe because I was so hot and heavy for dante I needed that bit of love he gave and I managed to not suck dick immediately, using royal guard out of DMC 3 habit.

>>16258947

The Style system is more forgiving on lower modes, I think every difficulty it goes up 1000 points.

I know on DMD you need 6000 points for an S rank, and that can be harder then it sounds, The game uses your Style average of every fight to tally up your final score, and Since Mission 10 has so many fights it's very easy to fuck up once and then shit up your average for the entire level.

I'v been playing mission 10 on DMD over and over again, and am falling just barely under the mark.

but on the other hand I lucked out with V in a previous level, I had 7000 Style points and was able to use a red orb continue with no harm since I didn't need the no Continue bonus.

>>16258477

Nigger, there are no angels. There are apparently gods of some sort, given that the castle has stuff referencing a war with the divine, and the main upgrade thing is from shrines to the Goddess of Time.

>>16259077

I wouldn't mind if they incorporate the angels from Bayonetta and say that while they exist in DMC's world, they're apathetic at best to the plight of humans and not at all like their popular perception. There are already what are essentially Phantom demons that she summons for finishers. If anything (besides SMT) could crossover with DMC's lore it's probably that and it's not like they never retconned things before.

>>16259077

They might have, but there is more in game evidence in DMC for it being closer to something like the gods versus demons. Except the only god that appears to do anything is the goddess of time, and what she does is teach everyone how to beat the shit out of people.

What does she use all that crystallized blood for anyway?

>>16259108

I mean there appears to be evidence that Enzo and Dante know each other, so there has to be some connection between their worlds.

Maybe Dante likes to take trips to other worlds to by cuhrayzee in when there's no fuckhuge trees or towers in his own world to demolish.

>>16259164

How has there not been a Dante vs Bayonetta game yet?

>>16259169

>Dante vs Bayonetta

I think Kamiya got pretty pissed off at people spamming him that gay ass Death Battles youtube channel.

I also don't see it happening. Now if it were a Dante FEATURING Bayonetta game, now that's more like it.

>>16259178

>normalfags sending Kamiya gay jewtube shit

>Dante v Bayo is now never ever as a result

normalfags are a plague on this planet and need to be removed for mankind to prosper. That aside I'll totally take a DMC game FEATURING BAYO FROM THE BAYONETTA SERIES though.

>>16259198

>no It's revealed to be the same Enzo as the one Dante used to work with, and he rats him out for stealing job money, underpaying him causing the Bayo cast to give him extra shit.

>>16259077

>But angels existed in Dante's inferno

Sure, but the Divine Comedy is really more about meeting historical people in hell/purgatory/heaven and them saying how much it sucks/rocks. Angels and demons are more in the background, they don't do even do much participating in the fate of the souls. There is obviously nothing wrong with an action franchise focusing on the supernatural beings, but I do always wonder how it would have turned out if DMC had things like meeting Alexander of Alexandria and Dante calling him a tosser.

>>16259169

I don't know, despite obvious similarities, I think the franchises are too different to mix. Even including Bayonetta as a playable unlockable character would require reworking her massively. Despite, imagine her RE engine face

>>16259246

>Despite, imagine her RE engine face

I do believe Kamiya would personally rip everybody involved in making her ugly ten new assholes. I hope he would anyway.

>>16259108

I hate the "light is not good" meme, it's (((subversive))) trash. I'd much prefer there to be no angels than evil ones.

>>16259246

>the Divine Comedy is really more about meeting historical people in hell/purgatory/heaven

>Angels and demons are more in the background

Because in the Divine Comedy there is far more, than the same ol' stuff used in ALL games with Christian imagery. As to say, God and a small collection of angles and demans.

Dante mixed in the pagan creatures of the afterlife, like Cerberus, and transformed ancient personalities like King Minos into terrible monsters. Dante was a fully modern man: exiled in a time of political turmoil, had a distant waifu, wrote about his own self insert adventures in the afterlife which were nothing but shitposting, and he did it in exquisite autistic skill.

Too bad amerifats are taught by their kike teachers that white history is dark ages where nothing happens and science is stuck.

>>16259453

One of the things games that have Christian imagery forget is that in Christianity angels and demons are largely in the background, men are in the front. I suppose a game about men would be pretty boring though.

I think those games don't have christian imagery so much as medieval imagery, since you'll usually see vampires and werewolves in them as well.

>>16258477

>file name

bretty good. I like the parts where he activates DT, but why does he say Dante's name?

>>16259917

That's my whole point. His transformation is influenced by his character. Not Itsuno ripping off the retarded half-angel/half-demon garbage from DmC like some are suggesting. Just like how Dantes DT looks a lot like Sparda and Vergils turns him into a creature with 10 million cutting edges on his body.

what's the sales count, so far?

>>16259970

Global results never come this quicly, and it's pretty much up to the publisher to state them, but Capcom did say it was their second best PC launch ever. That beat RE2make which is estimated at 4 million sales in a month.

>>16259970

Enough to ensure that DmC never gets a sequel

>>16259970

It's already outsold DmC's lifetime sales.

So yeah that reboot franchise has been effectively buried into the dirt.

http://archive.is/DM3kF

>Dante is based and redpilled

>>16255634

stfu useless nigger

>>16260118

>Ctrl-F "Yikes"

>Only two matches

Rookie numbers, Reuben

>>16260156

Why would someone shoot a man before letting him save a franchise?

>>16260174

Because he was in a third-world shithole country filming a documentary

>>16260118

>is a qlarper

>based and redpilled

I think the fuck not

>>16260174

>Did we raise the devil trigger gauge?

>Yes, the power rises!

>>16259077

>>16259029

>>16259172

Okay then, try to prove me wrong with this

>Nero is apprently 1/3rd demon

>Nero is obviously far weaker than Dante in DMC4

>But his first DT for some reason gives him feathery wings and angel like features from DMC4

>Not to mention his DT makes him stronger than both Dante and Vergil even in their SIN forms

>Even though he is 1/3rd human and should apparently have 1/3rd the strength of Dante and Vergil

Nigger if you actually took the time to think about it that makes no god damn sense, he shouldnt be able to obtain that kind of power if he was that much power if he was more human than the Son of Sparda.

And just because you havent seen it yet, doesnt mean that there is no angels in DMC, both Heaven was mentioned in game before and so was Hell, so in that case it would make sense for angels to also exist since there are also demons.

I will repeat it again, just because you havent seen it yet, doesnt mean that they dont exist in the DMC universe, even the devs didnt say anything about Angels not existing.

>>16260251

It's because "muh humanity" makes Demons stronger and Nero has the most humanity of them all.

>>16260251

Because they completely winged nero's story and a lot of it just doesn't really make sense. They just thought "eh fuck it have him fight nero, that'll work, also make him grow back his arm for reasons we didn't think of"

>>16260258

>>16260263

Eh. That sounds more like shitty writing to me but if thats actually the case then I'll take it.

I still want to know who the fuck Neros mom is though, atm she is more mysterious than Sparda at this point. In a francise whose story is practically all about family first and killing demons second, I NEED that closure.

>>16260284

Did you not play DMC4SE? She's a random slut from the order of the sword.

>>16260099

embed related is an pretty good interview with Reuben, (it would be great if the audio quality was a little less shit tho)

He says when he was doing the Anime that the dubbing studio was actually on in there last days, and was shutting down around him.

they would just do the first take on every line, even when Reuben was just trying to get a feel for the line, once he realized this he would intentionally cough and such when he felt he did a bad take, to make it unusable so they would be forced to let him do another one.

There is other great shit Reuben has done too, he and his Team actually did all of the Mo Cap for Resident Evil 5's Cutscenes, but while he was handling this Reuben was doing Mo Cap work for James Cameron's Avatar at the same fucking time so he barely slept went and got the shit kicked out of him at one Mo Cap job only to go to other job to continue to get shit kick of him.

When he first when to work on stun gigs in Japan they were all like "Who's this Gaijin" but then they were really impressed when he whipped out perfect hand formations from Super Sentai (or Kamen Rider or some other Jap show I don't remember which exactly) because the guy who Reuben learned from was the guy who did the Original Hand formations.

When he was doing DMC3 he would tell the guys at Capcom if something wouldn't translate well to an western audience, but the Capcom guys refused to believe him since the thought of him too much as a Japanese person, so Reuben had to get Random Western people from around the set and have them agree with him that some of the shit they wanted Dante to do was just going to come off as lame to a western audience.

>>16260156

At this point Real life Reuben has had a more impressive life then Dante or any of his other characters.

>>16260432

I'll be sure to give that interview a listen, thanks. And yeah, even if you can tell he can't bring his A-game on the role, he just understands Dante enough to be simply just better, even rushed. The nip VA is really just playing Gintoki.

>>16260251

>Nero is obviously far weaker than Dante in DMC4

I would say Nero at the start of DMC3 is about the same level as Dante was in DMC3, but you can't deny that Nero's using the Devil Bringer at the end to Crush the Saviors Face was an impressive feat, and that already Showed that Nero was pretty OP, which is the main reason the Bringer was taken from him in the first place in DMC5. Dante has Skill, but Nero is a power house he just doesn't have the experience and Focus Dante does.

>But his first DT for some reason gives him feathery wings and angel like features from DMC4

Lucia and all of the order members also had Angelic themes in their Demon forms, they are still Demons

>Not to mention his DT makes him stronger than both Dante and Vergil even in their SIN forms

Just because Nero put up a good fight against a Vergil that had already been fighting Dante, that doesn't mean Nero is Stronger. It was clear as soon as Nero showed up that Dante and Vergil weren't exactly in the Fight to the death mood anymore.

Also Remember in DMC3 when Jester kicked the shit out of Dante and Vergil, does that mean that Jester is actually the strongest character in the series?

>Even though he is 1/3rd human and should apparently have 1/3rd the strength of Dante and Vergil

Don't pretend that any of us have an actual idea on how demon genetics works.

>>16260432

We need more actors who actually care about their roles. Which is why the industry hiring more Hollywood actors scares me. Because very few of them care about the characters they're portraying. We need more gamers getting into doing mocap and voice work for vidya.

>>16260544

youtube is run by cia - reuben

>>16260432

>When he was doing DMC3 he would tell the guys at Capcom if something wouldn't translate well to an western audience

I know he means it well but I dont like that thing ti evokes in me the words of SEGA Localizators who talk into development of Yakuza series

>>16260251

He's quarter, dumbass. Unless there was some real weird demon fucking going on his mother's side, there's no way Nero is 1/3rd demon.

Also, he was always portrayed as having insane potential. He beat the shit out of Dante on their first meeting and in the second one though Dante handily won, it was obvious that Nero was tiring him down. Of course, this is all without DT, so kind of questionable.

And half of your suppositions have no basis in anything.

>>16260627

That's actually finally sold DMC5 as fully being the game I kept expecting, when Dante came onto the scene and it was obvious from every ounce of the performance the dude was fully committed. Who else entirely stopped seeing him as "hobo boomer Dante" around mission 11? He's just way too enthusiastic and natural to appear old at all. He sounded more like 4's Uncle Dante with just enough more age to care less about looking cool, and more about feeling cool.

>>16260673

The performance was fine, everything he did just felt like an old man trying to "stay cool" to me though. Faust really cemented this in my brain.

>>16260682

I guess the moonwalk can't reasonably be interpreted other than an old man's idea of cool.

>>16260685

>Vergil's VA & mocap guy breaking a finger while doing Vergil

It was actually the same panel:

https://youtu.be/O_0nq5VWXck?t=11m17s

BOSS.

>>16260685

>Dante doing Yakuza poses

I'm indifferent to it

>>16260753

>You're pretty dense not to realize Dante was just testing him.

Aaand he got the snot beaten out of him and thrown into a statue of his old man, with his own sword through his chest.

Nero's base form >>>> Dante's base form.

It's why they emphasize that Dante is breathing heavily the second time around, even though he wins.

>>16260767

>discord

Fuck off.

>>16260776

>Aaand he got the snot beaten out of him and thrown into a statue of his old man, with his own sword through his chest.

In DMC1 Trish shoots his ass off then throws a flaming motorbike at him. Does that mean Trish is stronger than Dante too?

>>16260776

You would have to be unbelievably dense to not see that Dante is fucking with Nero in their battles. Just look at how he acts. You must genuinely have some sort of disability if you can't see it. It's the goddamn tutorial, you can plainly see Dante not even trying. He even holds back by not using him demon form as Nero is punching him in the face, as shown by Dante's arm briefly turning demonic.

>It's why they emphasize that Dante is breathing heavily the second time around, even though he wins.

They're showing that he actually had to put in a little bit of effort, not that Nero is even close to him. Which is also why he claims to have underestimated Nero; he realizes that Nero isn't some random punk. If you think that puts Nero on the same hurr powerlevels as Dante, I don't know what to say. You're so dense that no logic can convince you otherwise.

>>16260807

>Nero goes all out

>Dante takes it easy and lets the him vent some steam. Hesitates to get serious but then decides to just take the beating because he doesn't want to accidentally hurt him

<He breathed kind of hard, which means Nero was really beating his ass and he's stronger

He let Nero wail on him with everything he had and then was able to walk it all off, and you know he's got the skill and speed to actually get hits in if he wanted to. He's nowhere near close in either power nor experience.

>>16260151

http://archive.is/3M2L4

It's not hard if you try anon.

>>16260862

What is your point? Do you know what the word underestimate means? It means surpassing expectations, not declaring inferiority.

I mean, the set up story-wise is obvious. Dante's story was pretty much concluded by 1, until they resurrected Vergil for 5. So they wanted a new protagonist, someone who wasn't strictly bound by a lot of the design choices from the PS2 era.

So Dante is stronger, but they show that Nero has the potential. In the first fight he gets the upper hand but Dante runs off. In the second fight, Dante takes it more seriously and beats down the raging Nero but is panting and exhausted by the effort.

This also ties into game design, with Dante's Rebellion/Force Edge & Ebony and Ivory set being pretty lackluster in comparison to say Nero's Red Queen and Blue Rose, or Vergil's summoned swords. The ps2 era design works, but the shift between melee and ranged couldn't be clunkier and unless you're using Gunslinger then there's pretty much zero synergy compared to what the most of the other characters do with their ranged attacks. Style Switching helps, but the base design is still kind of lacking, though DMC5 did a lot to fix that imho.

I actually don't really care about Nero all that much. In 5 he was pretty whiny with his hang up about being dead weight and getting in between Dante and Vergil.

>>16260892

It also means "oh hey, I kinda got my ass whopped by you, wasn't expecting that". Especially since Dante had been taunting Nero the whole fight, trying to see what he could do.

Also, does Nero's DT in 4 count as his DT? What is the power increase compared to say what it was in 5? Because Nero pulls out his DT in 4 against Dante but it's gone out at the conclusion of the fight.

>>16260912

No, again, underestimated your abilities just meant he thought he was just some punk and turned out to have some mettle. Nothing indicates it means he got his ass handed to him and I am frankly astounded you can both believe and defend that. What's your major malfunction?

>>16260935

>>16260941

Well, I don't know what to say fellas, because the writings been on the wall since DMC4 and now in 5 Nero's pretty much top dog.

Well, can't really expect anything more out of fanboys.

Guys dont reply to 902649 up there ^ anymore its obvious that hes just trying to bait us at this point.

No one here is that retarded unless if they were trying to be so on purpose.

>>16260956

You don't know what to say because you don't know the actual meaning of english words and are choosing to ignore everything ingame in favor of semantics you clearly don't know the meaning of. This will be my final response to you. I wouldn't even be surprised you're the DmC2 fag.

>>16260956

I honestly don't get what you're trying to say here. Let's go over the first mission of DMC4, shall we?

Dante busts into the Order and immediately begins to straight kill everyone with extremely little effort. He shoots Sanctus in the fucking face then proceeds to stab and toss around every faceless Order member that shows up. He, however, makes it a point to not attack or even acknowledge any humans nearly, as he's standing right next to Kyrie and isn't even looking at her. Nero thinks Kyrie is in danger and dropkicks Dante in the face. Dante sees someone who isn't just some demon, face not covered, and decides to toy with him, evidenced by him mocking Nero revving Red Queen. When Nero unleashes his Devil Bringer and catches Dante off-guard, landing a bunch of punches to Dante's face and throws him into the Savior and pins him to it with his own sword, Dante finally decides to speak. Dante is calm, pulls the sword out of his chest and claims that Nero and the demons in the order aren't quite the same, as he seems to carry something else. Dante then just leaves and says "adios, kid".

How you can manage to twist this into "Dante got his ass kicked and ran off" is surprising. Dante was clearly there to kill the leader of the Order, and any demons pretending to be people. Not a single human or innocent was attacked, and when he suspected Nero wasn't just another demon in their ranks, he decided he wasn't going to kill him. Cut forward to Dante vs Nero round 2, and Dante completely kicks Nero's ass and pins him down, and this is with the numerous power ups Nero received along his journey, including the massive power boost from obtaining Yamato. So you're telling me that Nero at his weakest kicks Dante's ass and forces him to flee, but Nero at his most powerful loses to Dante almost effortlessly? How?

>>16261038

You've got a few minor points wrong. Dante had already seen Nero fighting the demons in the streets, arm in sling, before heading to the temple, so he already knew Nero was pretty competent, and may have even already suspected their blood relation. Their first fight wasn't the first time Dante saw Nero.

>>16260118

>Cross one off the "to buy list"

Who the fuck is this nigger kidding.

Also, Reuben AMA when?

Will Mark "take care of it"?

>>16261390

<Why is this game such a clusterfuck

>The only thing they've talked about is the politics of the VAs and not the gameplay

I agree. I don't know who they're trying to fool.

>>16261390

These niggers will say anything to get virtue signal points. For some reason their favorite one is to lie about being a customer.

>>16261390

>Who the fuck is this nigger kidding

Maybe he was planning on buying it so he could whine about the lack of a dedicated dodge button like the rest of the retards on that website.

>>16253590

i just beat DMD (prologue battle) and i got no super characters

dont tell me they didnt put them in the game

>>16253920

Don't they have Yamato? Can't they just swooce right back in?

>>16261747

The prequel Novel even says that Dante made it back from hell after DMC2 due to a broken Shard of Yamato was used by a Balrog to make holes into the human world, Dante thought he was just lucky in finding one until he sees Balrog with the Shard.

Now the have the entire fixed Yamato so Getting out really shouldn't be hard for them, It's as if this ending is just there.

>>16261792

What if the dlc starts immediately after the ending and it's just Vergil and Dante cleaning up the remains of demons in the human world and surprising Nero at the end?

>>16261835

Urizen only had the fruit for a second before powered up Dante who is likely stronger than Sparda ever was kicked his ass. How much could he have possibly done in so little time?

>>16261754

ah goda damit an i thought i was able to have fun with super charaters this early.

on side note

>that mp4

FUCKING PERFECT

>>16261919

Sheesh, Sparda really gave Dante the short end of the stick. I guess Vergil must have been his favorite son.

>>16261948

Yamato sucks compared to Rebellion ability wise though.

>>16262202

Non-game-mechanics-wise, though:

>Hey son, here's this metal as fuck sword that, if you get good with it, can shoot a few energy waves from it, and you can throw it like a boomerang

>Hey other son, here's this samurai sword that, if you get good with it, can cut the air several meters around you, cut giant slabs of stone, that are a hundred meters away, to pieces, and cut holes in the fabric of space

I mean, there's a reason everyone is always after Yamato or the Sparda sword, and not Rebellion.

>>16261799

I've read that no DLC beyond bloody palace is planned, but success has made a fool of this kind of promise.

>>16262301

Well they said they wanted Bloody Palace to be ready for launch, but needed a little more time, also people would riot if BP wasn't confirmed.

Still Vergil at the very least is a must for character DLC, just like DMC3 when you make the boss, the playable version is practically done already.

There is also rumored Ladies Night DLC, but that one could easily be made up since the very fact Lady and Trish are in the game makes it sound like a no brainer, why go though all the effort of scanning in models for Lady and Trish if you gonna have them play such a minor roll that removing them from the story hardly makes a difference.

Still hoping against fate that Lucia can make a come back, I mean a Sparda prequel game or DMC X Bayonetta is more likely then ever seeing her playable again, but a man can dream…

>>16262330

>Still Vergil at the very least is a must for character DLC, just like DMC3 when you make the boss, the playable version is practically done already.

>There is also rumored Ladies Night DLC, but that one could easily be made up since the very fact Lady and Trish are in the game makes it sound like a no brainer, why go though all the effort of scanning in models for Lady and Trish if you gonna have them play such a minor roll that removing them from the story hardly makes a difference.

That was even more true of DMC3 and 4, and we had to wait until the special editions. DMC5SE is only a matter of when, of course, but I do hope they can make it as DLC instead of waiting for that.

>>16262337

For DMC3SE that was Pre-DLC still in the keep re-releaseing games with a fancier title era for Capcom (which admittedly was a long fucking era)

And for DMC4 DLC was still relatively new at the time, DMC4 wasn't properly finished anyway, Still I remember reading somewhere they actually wanted to do DMC4SE much sooner, but then DmC happened, and then DMC4SE was announced the way it was because after DmC Capcom knew they had to quickly come up with something to ensure to fans that the series wasn't beyond saving, and maybe Itsuno used DMC4SE to let some of the newer members at Capcom get a feel for how DMC should be before they actually started DMC5.

If fucking DmC was able to have Story DLC for Vergil and that game was a flop, then DMC5 has got to get some kind of DLC, even if it's ends up being a DMC5SE upgrade, I'm sure if the next gen of consoles get's announced soonish then Capcom will be sure to make a DMC5SE for it.

>>16261919

>>16261835

Urizen didn't just get power from the fruit, he was acting like a parasite on the tree and feeding directly on it. The fruit was him double dipping. It is also a case where Urizen was a fucking imbecile and thus wielded power with no finesse. Even if he had the power for a century, he would be content with just pure, raw power until he lost. It was V that understood the use of finesse.

I'm also not sure if it is ever stated if Mundus ate multiple fruit either. Presumably, he was lord for a long time, and until DMCV, there was no way for anyone to usurp him by eating a fruit with the human world sealed off.

>>16262223

Thematically, the power of the swords fit their owners; outside of that, Dante got shafted. What did Sparda expect Dante to do? Go around using Rebellion to merge with various devil arms to gain more power? A weapon with the purpose of joining to things, a sword no less, is a bit ridiculous.

>>16262223

>and not Rebellion

It just goes to show how much everyone, including Dante, has underestimated that metal as fuck sword.

>>16262547

It's pretty hilarious that DMCV is just a long character arc of Vergil realizing that MORE POWER isn't the solution to everything. Albeit in a convoluted and ridiculous way.

>>16262547

Since Sparda did everything in his power to seal off everything devil related from the human world, I'm pretty certain he didn't knowingly bequeath Rebellion and Yamato to his sons, they just grabbed them and fucked off when Mundus fucked the family's shit up. He likely just wanted a peaceful life.

>>16262734

You're gonna have to be a little bit more specific than that. First of all, what system and what controller?

>>16262738

Wangblows, own it on steam, xbawks one controller. The game should work fine with xinput, and it used to, but I reinstalled today and it’s not anymore. And I searched everywhere and tried editing the ini and using x360ce and everything that jewgle offered but nothing worked.

>>16262736

Considering how Dante get's the literal New Legendary Devil Sword Dante. I'm really curious about how sparda got his own namesake sword? Did he just absorb a shit ton of demons into himself until Sparda just kinda formed?

>>16262752

I agree that DSD doesn't look great, but when you're in DT/SDT/summon swords mode it activates, the center splits and it starts glowing orange. It looks better in that state.

>>16262784

I'm not sure whether its a limitation of the photorealistic art style, or the art direction. I found the pre-qliphoth levels really good looking, especially the underground sections with Nero and V.

But around Dante's early levels it started to get pretty boring. The inside of the qliphoth got pretty trippy, but not in a particularly good way. Should have used that "the fruit can show illusions" aspect more and recreated stuff from earlier games. Like a walk down memory lane, only in the REengine since this is supposed to be something of a tech demo on Capcom's part to show off their new engine.

Biggest complain about enemy designs is how everyone's tail starts at the shoulder blades instead of the bottom of the spine. Once looks cool. But put it on everyone and it grows tiresome.

>>16262752

I was under the assumption that the pommel was the remnants of the perfect amulet, so at least it carried over. I do agree though, it may of looked nicer if it were higher up above the guard.

>>16262724

Nero looked like a punk and that's how Dante went into the fight, not expecting that Nero was actually a trained swordsman of the order, probably beaten into shape by Credo. It's not that Nero just happened to be great with a sword.

You are also forgetting a very very important fact about the second Dante fight.

Dante fought to exhaust Nero and not to win whatsoever. "You cooled off yet, kid?"

He was holding back at every encounter.

>An effect for example Trish was decidedly unable to elicit from him in DMC1 despite her best efforts.

Except when she kept zapping the shit out of him when he was trapped fighting Nightmare in the Demon World.

>>16254868

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_84BafqQ4I

As good as expected from Donguri, still prefer this guy video fighting Vergil.

>>16262801

>I found the pre-qliphoth levels really good looking, especially the underground sections with Nero and V.

Sure it's better but it's still a rather generic European esque city, the qliphoth itself is the same shit over and over and not only that but it's confusing to traverse even if it is linear the colors and textures don't help, for example i could point to Alice Madness Returns, where each level has a very very distinct art style and evolves as you progress through the level, the art direction there is extremely good i wish i could be there and explore around, haven't played another hack and slash with level design like that, while the environment in DMCV is just there so the characters are not fighting in a void with few exceptions.

And don't forget the shoulder pads and Dante's ass in demon form after he stabs himself, the designs are very creative but not in a good way for me.

>>16262905

Dante's new demon form is the best one in the series

>>16262971

With those hips and buttocks? are you gay?

>>16262996

>With those hips and buttocks? are you gay?

I thought it was the shoulders and buttocks, in anycase no, I didn't even notice them though my resolution is greatly reduced so that my toaster can run the game but even if it isn't perfect, it still looks like a demon god, as opposed to his normal one which looks like a gecko man with wings

>>16262752

>Speaking of Rebellion, I'm kind of sad that it got "shafted" along with Sparda. Because as fun as the Devil Sword Dante is to use, it looks pretty awful.

I suppose the Dante sword would look better if it took more ques from Rebellion **and if it's guard didn't direct enemy blows into dante's chest

>>16262841

>He was holding back at every encounter.

Yes, absolutely. But in that held back state—of not using DT, for example—Nero has the edge in physical ability.

In that second encounter, Nero was fighting like a raging bull, screaming and attacking wildly with no regard for technique or maintaining stamina, while Dante was riding it out until he could get a good opening. Even so, the 200 RPM Nero still wasn't as winded as Dante, who was keeping it nice and slow.

>>16262831

That would actually look pretty nice; have the two amulets joined together on either side of the pommel.

>>16263003

That and stabbing his own forearms.