feaad6 No.16114533
But are usually overshadowed by their edgelord partners.
cca339 No.16114552
>>16114533
Credit for saving the world you mean?
As far as characterization goes, his edgier counterpart is much better realized.
feaad6 No.16114571
>>16114552
People tend to prefer Zero and discredit X just because he wanted peace.
9835a0 No.16114572
>>16114571
Nah, it's mostly because Zero just has better gameplay.
8bf812 No.16114574
>>16114533
Pretty mixed with Mega-watt X to be honest
>Is technically the father of all Reploids
>Still acts like an inexperienced sperg
>Took how many games for him to finally have guilt for helping create the Reploids
>Muh Pussyfiscism, muh no violence, muh no war
The entire series with him is really a gigantic clusterfuck in story and character development.
cca339 No.16114586
>>16114571
Zero wanted peace as well. That's not the issue. X was straight up antiviolence and refused to fight even when he was needed in X7.
Regardless, how does he deserve more credit?
cca339 No.16114592
>>16114574
I'll never get over him acting more immature and childish than robots that are over a hundred years younger than him.
feaad6 No.16114596
>>16114572
Is mostly "different" gameplay once they get their unique movesets from X4 on, there are people who say Zero did X's job better in the end but don't take into account that X was "dead" by the time Zero cleaned up Willy's whole mess.
>>16114574
I don't get why he should feel guilty for the whole reploid thing since Dr. Cain was the one who decided to replicate him, I think even Dr. Light left instructions about the whole diagnosing period.
>>16114586
Mostly not "more" credit, mostly how fans downplay his character the same way say Nero is to certain fans of DMC who say he is a crybaby after throwing a tantrum ONCE in DMC4.
cca339 No.16114609
>>16114596
>downplay his character
He doesn't have much of a character to begin with. It's like a Goku/Vegeta scenario in a sense, except he's got even less personality than Goku and Zero didn't do as many horrible actions as Vegeta.
c9e030 No.16114647
>>16114533
You called?
>underappreciated genius
>helps low IQ blue edgelord in any situation that requires brainpower
>builds all the techno thingamajigs that counteract robotnik's devices
38d3ab No.16114657
>muh guys like solid snake should not be idolized subtheme
>yet he still has a strong sense of justice, protects his few friends, constantly self sacrifices knowing full well he's been used as a tool for war
4cb0ee No.16114672
X would be interesting if the series had actually decent writing and characterization. Best case scenario for an X9 is that it goes back to basics and crafts a game around X's abilities.
c3f0cf No.16114734
>>16114657
>Using child soldiers
>Profiting from world-wide conflict
>Nukes for me but not for thee!
4b27d6 No.16114790
>>16114734
But that's Big Boss you're talking about.
c109e9 No.16114802
>Exposes hypocrisy in the church
>Slays backstabbing warmongering royalty plunging the country into endless civil war
>Saves the world from all powerful demons
<Nobody gives a shit doesn't even know his name
<Everyone hates him
fb6ee2 No.16114806
>>16114672
This, the Zero stuff is okay but it needs to be dialed back. At the very least they should do split storylines like X4 if they have to have Zero. And Axl can get retconned out of existence for all I care.
9835a0 No.16114998
>>16114806
Zero and X should have completely different routes with stages tailored to their playstyle so one doesn't completely overshadow the other, but they'll never go through that effort
ab4537 No.16115183
>Wants to be popular again with the children of Mamelca
>too heroic for this world so he ends up saving everyone else except himself
>many characters will go down in history as being important to the world, except for him
>and that's fine by himself
Captain Rainbow is a true Hero
feaad6 No.16115193
>>16114806
I agree with this.
573c21 No.16115216
36494b No.16115240
>>16114533
Didn't he became Reploid Jesus?
1800fd No.16115242
>>16114647
Sonic is only edgy compared to Mario
fb6ee2 No.16115249
>>16114998
That would certainly be ideal but you're right in that Capcom won't put in that much effort. At best we'll get something on the level of MM11, a competent but middling MMX. The problem is MMX went so far off the rails in the last half of the franchise I'm afraid that Capcom will struggle to understand what was good about the franchise to begin with.
c19167 No.16115278
>>16115249
What if X adopts a human daughteru and he learns to fight again for her sake?
8fd4ca No.16115322
>>16114734
>>16114657
kojima just really hates solid snake for no good reason
>cucked him out of MGS2 and TPP
>relegated him to a few handheld games
>brought him back only to make the game shit on him constantly for being an old goon
>killed him off
>will never get remakes of metal gear 1 and 2
>will never get a game of him and octagon going around the world destroying metal gears
even if they did make another big metal gear game i could see meryl getting the main role with snake being some throwaway character
fb6ee2 No.16115380
>>16115278
>X becomes the strongest maverick hunter by protecting the smiles of kawaii lolis
That would arguably be the best thing to happen to the MMX plotline and he could finally redeem himself for his constant, embarrassing, and unrealistic pacifist approach.
157f82 No.16115409
On the subject of the X series, what is the appeal of zero? He's conman's very transparent deviant art of, and the sword gameplay could easily be given to someone else.
f9fce0 No.16115447
>>16115409
As a character, nothing. As gameplay, in X he was kind of a parasite, in Zero he grows into his own thing and it's great. I think his games got more love and care during development than X ever did, despite the former being on handhelds
>>16115322
>TPP could have very easily ended on a remake of Intrude N313
I hope Kojima rots with his hollywood buddies. Konami's already dead so I can't ask for anything more.
6d18da No.16115463
>>16115409
Zero started off as a character that motivated X to be better, then the writers kept him going as the character that was "cooler" then X, then they were trying to make him into a rival turned villain. Unfortunately they never went all the way with the last part because they couldn't let Zero go the way he was supposed to.
Zero should have been the final boss of X5, not only did they flounder on that plotline, they couldn't even commit to keeping him dead and needlessly brought him back in X6.
54226d No.16115477
Replaying these games it's painful how fucking hard Inajewne pushed his fuckboi Zero onto everyone so fucking hard, it actually started making me find him annoying. I'm actually glad X6 happened and forced conman out of his original idea for MMZ where Zero kills off the real X. Hopefully now that he's gone X9 will be more balanced in plot.
>>16115409
More characters adds variety and having a melee guy and a ranged guy is a pretty classic combo. In that was Zero is just fine, though i agree they could have made a melee armor for X that just totally changed his gameplay. The real question is what the fuck were they thinking when they made Axl.
>>16115463
>Zero should have been the final boss of X5, not only did they flounder on that plotline, they couldn't even commit to keeping him dead and needlessly brought him back in X6.
Kind of the opposite, originally X5 was suppose to be the end and in MMZ Zero would kill the real X. Zero was the original idea conman had for a main character but Capcom wanted someone that looked a bit more like Megaman so X was created. Conmans butthurt over that seemed to carry through the entire franchise, frankly i'm glad he's gone.
1620a8 No.16115573
>>16114574
>inexperienced sperg
He acts hesitant because he's being forced to kill his own children.
>guilt for helping create the reploids
Source? It was just Cain trying to play robot builder on his own as far as I remember.
>Pussyfism
X is not a pacifist, he's a peacemaker. The former is a faggot who doesn't fight at all, and the latter is one who prefers peace but can also wreck shit when it's necessary.
833675 No.16115692
>>16114592
Well he is a robot, if you program a computer to run faggotboi.exe it's never going to mature out of it
>>16115573
>Cain playing robot builder
This tbh, everything that goes wrong is the fault of Cain's shortsightedness, the message Light left him even warned of how long it would take to ensure X's personality wouldn't be corrupted, he should have known the problem would be even more acute with imperfect replicants of X.
cdf9f8 No.16115709
>>16115477
>MMZ where Zero kills off the real X
It has been forever since I played those, but I thought the early villain of the Zero series was "copy X" and the real X was a cyber elf or whatever.
c19167 No.16115764
>>16115380
>Plot of Mega Man 9 would be about humans finally having enough shit and decide to pull the plug on their reliance with reploids.
>Maverick Hunters are disbanded as a result.
>Zero fucks off to be a bounty hunter.
>Axl disappears to never be seen again.
>Sigma uses this as an excuse to convince a human to destroy reploids he needs to make a virus.
>Human makes the Sigma Plague, a nanotech virus that would become the prototype for ZX's biometal.
>Plague backfires and infects humans and machines creating Bio-Mavericks.
>Arcadia gets infected with the Sigma Plague as humans are assymilated into cyborg machines known as Bio-Mavericks.
>Bitch Boy X was there working as a private investigator hunting Sigma after Maverick Hunters were disbanded.
>Bitch boy X refuses to fight bio-mavericks as he knows they are human.
>Suddenly he sees a human family get hunted by the File arch-type villain.
>Patents get killed right in front of loli and X.
>X finally loses his shit and overwrites his self-imposed human no-kill policy to save loli from bio-maverick monsters.
>Loli's has a data chip developed by her parents to fight the Sigma plague and installs it in X.
>The anti-Sigma plague in the data is the first Cyber Elf.
>Fight through intro stage before taking on 8 Bio-Maverick horrors, all based on famous movie monsters in pop culture.
>When you clear an area it opens it up for free exploration. It also affects other areas like in X.
>All eight sectors of the city connect into each other to create a semi-open level to explore that you can explore freely like in MMZ with the right upgrades.
>No Sigma fort stage on map screen until you uncover it in the city ruins by exploring.
>Sigma fort is 6 stages long. Stage 6 is point of no return.
>Fight the Vile-archtype villain twice.
>Villain is revealed to be Axl, as his copy tech was used to create the Sigma Plague.
>Nuke Axl out of canon forever. Until his DLC campaign.
>Take on Sigma the Lich King who made himself an abomination out of the flesh of humans that trusted him.
>Secret stage 7 is an escape sequence where human loli helps X escape the city's underworld by controlling a Mecha suit.
>Good or bad ending happens depending on whether or not you saved the children in the city.
>Loli finally tells X her name, Ciel.
>Even in the good ending X gets infected with the Sigma Plague. But you won't know what happens with that plot until Mega Man X10 lol.
>Zero, Vile, and Axl DLC campaigns are side stories with their own versions of Bio-Mavericks to fight using retweaked levels to suit their own gameplay styles.
This is what I would do if I was in charge of X9. Levels would be REAL 3D environments with a Klonoa style 2.5D path system. One level I call Nuclear Citadel where you travel on a spiraling tower of a nuclear power plant upward with radioactive contamination everywhere. Alternatively after you beat the boss you can then go underground the plant where the boss crashed and exploded to find an underground maze leading to Sigma's underworld.
b8bf7b No.16115777
>>16115380
>unrealistic pacifist approach
You know that is the sad thing about X. They fucked up so so hard on his pacifism.
Just think about what caused him to develop his pacifism anyway:
>your friends or "people" you know in general around you are driven insane and are in general acting out of their will.
Yeah in general a good amount of them end up becoming violent and destroying/killing many innocent lives in the process so it might be sort of a mercy and sort of a need to put them down but some of them actually are shown to just run away and try to hide away from everyone and try to avoid the whole killing/destroy everything voices in their head and those ones must suck to have to put them down and be unable to help.
>The government is mislabeling some reploids maverick out of haste due to just how out of control the maverick situation is or they are doing it on purpose for more sinister reasons
Point is people are being falsely labelled maverick and X knows it.
With these facts in mind think about what a maverick hunter is suppose to do. X has to kill "people" he knows who aren't in their right mind. Another thing to keep in mind that the "people" he is killing are all sort of just a base copy of his design as well and you have the idea that you are having X kill his "kids" if you think about it each time X has to murder another reploid. X4 was the real tipping point of this where the maverick label starts to get passed around too much but X sort of didn't act on it plot point wise til X7 and then they dropped the ball hard on this huge plot point.
I can't blame him for wanting to step down and stop fighting 100% like he did in X7, but Capcom really fucked up with that move story wise. For sure when right away X7 shows off the bat that the X7 enemies are doing destroying shit in their tantrum cause Axl won't come back things so even if they aren't maverick, fuck them for what they are doing. Going around destroying shit blindly after the D-Day situations in X5 and X6 is just really stupid. For sure when it is said story wise that rebuilding the world was pretty much a several year event after that event.
Really the best time to have used the X goes pacifist situation would have been before the events of X5 and cause of him doing it they could have had some balls and had X get falsely labeled as Maverick for pretty much 100% defying his creators and the fact that story wise he is the original as well.
Instead Capcom made him go 100% pacifist when some assholes are blowing up an air port and so on.
c8e445 No.16115802
>>16115322
>cucked him out of MGS2 and TPP
I'm still fucking mad about this today. Now I'm going to be mad for the rest of the day. Fuck you.
Nah you're alright.
But fuck you anyway.
03ecd9 No.16115828
>>16115764
I'd prefer sprites over 3DCG.
c19167 No.16115846
>>16115828
I know that feel.
03ecd9 No.16115852
>>16115846
<Sprite-based ZX3 with Prometheus/Pandora as protagonists never ever
9dc9ce No.16115884
>>16114572
>slash spam to win disregarding mechanics
>better gameplay
1620a8 No.16115910
>>16115477
>originally X5 was suppose to be the end and in MMZ Zero would kill the real X. Zero was the original idea conman had for a main character but Capcom wanted someone that looked a bit more like Megaman so X was created. Conmans butthurt over that seemed to carry through the entire franchise
Conman is a major reason why I like X better. Not only is he more humble than Zero and basically an underdog that earns respect and power over time along with the player, but he's also not a con man's donut steel trying to steal the show all the fucking time.
He even realizes that his utopic views can never happen and promptly retires to Cyberspace heaven in MMZ so Zero can have his own franchise. No bigger "fuck you" to conman than that.
9b6367 No.16115919
>>16115709
You're right. But the original plot was for the leader of Neo Arcadia to be the actual original X who had gone despotic in the pursuit of safety. This was forshadowed in the ending to X4 where the conclusions they reach about the Repliforce incident are complete and incompatible opposites. Zero loses faith in the system while X doubles down on it.
1620a8 No.16115991
>>16115919
And if conman had gone through with the idea of actually killing the real X, he would've destroyed everything the X series was about.
c41bde No.16116035
>>16114533
>High ranking SOLDIER
>Keeps fit
>Good at his job, hates taking vacations
>Aerith's love interest
>Cloud's best friend
>Helps the people of Midgar with their day-to-day problems
>Experimented on for knowing too much
>Fights to defend his now incapacitated friend and see his girlfriend
>Stuff happens
>His "living legacy" forgets he even exists and goes to outshine him in the eyes of the unwashed masses as the "best" Final Fantasy character ever.
You'll always be my hero, Zack.
a639e3 No.16116168
>>16114647
Remember when Sonic Adventure was about Tails (and also Amy) learning to be independent and not let their lives revolve around Sonic? Sonic Team doesn't. Tails' development was kind of remembered in Sonic Adventure 2, where they actually remember that he was the one who defeated Eggman in the previous game, show that he was recognized for it, and then he and Eggman are rivals now. Then that's pretty much forgotten in all later games.
>>16115692
>Well he is a robot, if you program a computer to run faggotboi.exe it's never going to mature out of it
Literally the entire point of X is that he can actually learn and mature like a human. He's supposed to have true free will. Though I never got how that makes sense since the Sigma virus still reprograms reploids all the time, and I don't see how that's any different than Wily reprogramming the Robot Masters or Mega Man Killers.
Anyway, X is just edgy Rock anyway. Then people act like Rock and his associated characters don't have any story worth mentioning. But they do. Just it isn't shoved in your face in melodramatic cutscenes like in the X and Zero games. Gotta read the manuals and stuff. But the lore is there and it's cool.
8bf812 No.16116180
>>16116035
His final act of revenge was getting us Advent Children-Cloud.
1620a8 No.16116236
>>16115692
>>16116168
X is fully capable of free will. He's just hellbent on utopic ideals and legitimately believes he can find good in everyone. Quick to hope and forgive.
64b2ae No.16116264
>>16116035
>forgets he even exists
I, too, pretend that one movie didn't happen.
a639e3 No.16116265
>>16116236
Yeah but aren't all reploids supposed to have the same ability for free will? But then they get reprogrammed by the Sigma Virus all the time. How is that any different than Wily reprogramming the robots of Rock's time?
54b49d No.16116320
>>16116265
I think the Maverick Virus is supposed to be something like a mental illness, like schizophrenia. You still have free will, your views just become obfuscated due to the constant stream of conflicting, violent, subversive thoughts until you eventually go nuts.
1620a8 No.16116335
>>16116265
>Yeah but aren't all reploids supposed to have the same ability for free will?
To a degree, yes.
X is unique because his mind and personality have been constantly developed through simulations when he was stuck in a pod for over a century, even though he wasn't supposed to be in there for that long, but Dr. Light died during the process and couldn't get him out. X ended up having a mind so overdeveloped, he became more humane than humans, evidenced by his unbreakable drive to save people no matter how bad things get which is yet another plot point that was ruined by conman in MMZ.
Reploids are imperfect copies of X made by Dr. Cain (an archeologist) when he tried to be an engineer to make robots who could help humanity. While they are copies of X., they lack X's highly developed mind as they didn't go through the same process as he did. They're mostly programmed for safety reasons, save for bizarre cases where Reploids do act on their own due to Cain's faulty programming - these are branded as Mavericks.
One such example is Vile, who decided to throw away his career as a Maverick Hunter to pursue his own goals. This was already present before the Maverick Virus found within Zero in the original game's plot, whereas in the Maverick Hunter X remake, Sigma breaks free of his programming and starts the Maverick plot on his own accord.
tl;dr X has free will because his AI is advanced to the point of making him human in spirit. Reploids have very little in the way of personal freedom.
c19167 No.16116341
>>16115852
On the bright side we can look forward to 2D lewds of best girl.
f1d9ff No.16116900
>>16116335
All your post does is serve as evidence that the X series would have been a hundred times more interesting if it was about actual evil robots.
1620a8 No.16116946
>>16116900
It is about evil robots. Reploids can become Mavericks by software bugs, viruses, reprogramming, or even by their own free will.
Sigma literally leads the Maverick rebellion because he's fucking sick of humans.
Vile wants to change the world by destroying shit because he feels like it.
Dynamo works for Sigma because he's a mercenary and gives no fucks about it.
Most Mavericks in the X series are actually convinced to join Sigma's rebellion.
Some Reploids are just faulty by nature. Crush Crawfish for example is so broken in the head that even Sigma couldn't get him under control. The fucker escaped containment on the prison ship he was on and sliced it in half before wrecking shit up at a nearby port.
Some go Maverick out of conviction, like Armored Armadillo.
Some go Maverick for revenge, like Gravity Beetle, and so on.
25a797 No.16117140
>>16116946
>Sigma literally leads the Maverick rebellion because he's fucking sick of humans.
*because he got pozzed by Zero
b0943a No.16117145
>>16115764
The MMZ games happen centuries after the MMX games, X wouldn't be able to meet Ciel even when she was a toddler because when Ciel first awakens Zero she's a teenager, and by that point X has been a cyber elf for at least a hundred years, look at how much she aged between MMZ and MMZX, a hundred years passed and she physically aged about 10 years, Ciel probably wasn't even born yet when X still had his original body.
I like your idea though, but if you want to make this work capcom would have to retcon the entire MMZ saga, which would be fine if they also remade the games and finally addressed why Zero doesn't have his original armor in the first game even though X does I know his "soul" got transfered to a weaker fake body because the original was considered a very powerful weapon and Weil wanted it for his "Omega" reploid, but when that fucker shows up he has your exact same body instead of the MMX armor, that or make it so that the loli that X protects grows up between X9 to X12 and the last time you see her she gets married and tells you that her child is going to be named Ciel.
c19167 No.16117171
>>16117145
I know that. This one is a different character entirely.
f19546 No.16118220
>>16116035
Zack failed in every capacity where you succeed. He can't get a girl you get like 3 bitches that won't stop following you around. Sephiroth beats him, you fucking tear Sephiroth a new one and can even defeat foes way beyond him. Ruby would have ripped Sephiroth a new asshole and you can kill Ruby.
He was taken down by a bunch of shitty Shira guards that wouldn't pose a risk to your off hand team by mid game.
He is unsung because he sucks.
f19546 No.16118241
>>16116320
Go nuts? But none of the Mavericks fight each other. Kill all humans is just a valid logical computational conclusion of high enough intelligence in their universe. The Sigma virus could be thought of as more of a thesis that has a certain percentage that will conclude it's truth. That's why a reploid cannot both have free will and defense against it. that's how I saw it anyway.
feaad6 No.16118294
>>16116265
Considering reploids are imperfect copies of X's tech you could think their will can be affected since they didn't have their systems tested for years.
95ffdc No.16118298
>>16117145
Zero is the star of the Zero games because Inafune wanted his oc to be the mc.
5520e2 No.16118460
>>16114802
To be fair, SE made a kinda better ending to the game. One of the raids in FF14 is themed around FFT, and it's pretty sweet, although is considered non-canon to a degree
It comes from the angle of what your describing. With an archeologist/play write trying to uncover the truth about everything that happened. At the end of the raid, you finally put all the pieces together, put down seraph for good with the help of Ramza's Ghost and several key characters from the game, and Ramza finally is at peace alongside all his freinds featured in FFT. His tale is then told by the play write for hundreds of thousands to see.
The raid really made me regret not ever finishing the PSP port
1620a8 No.16118482
>>16117140
That shit was introduced in X4. Sigma is bad on his own accord on X1.
f40759 No.16118868
>>16118852
>Wanting peace is the way of the cuck.
Wanting war is the way of the jew.
208996 No.16118890
>>16114533
>Megaman "Everybody that isn't a hunter is a maverick and needs to get fucking murdered" X
>a hero that deserves any credit
f40759 No.16118894
>>16118890
>mavericks are niggers and jews
X did nothing wrong.
c41bde No.16119015
>>16118220
By "you" I'll assume you mean Cloud.
>He can't get a girl you get like 3 bitches that won't stop following you around
Except for Aerith, who's one of those "3 bitches" that follows you around. Not to mention that Cissnei liked him.
>Sephiroth beats him, you fucking tear Sephiroth a new one and can even defeat foes way beyond him. Ruby would have ripped Sephiroth a new asshole and you can kill Ruby.
Are you comparing player strength to plot strength? Because if that's the case then Zack would be demigod tier for being able to defeat Minerva.
>He was taken down by a bunch of shitty Shira guards that wouldn't pose a risk to your off hand team by mid game.
It wasn't just a bunch, it was an entire fucking army complete with attack helicopters.
adad4b No.16120360
Canon X: X1-X3
Conman's masturbatory donut steel fanwank: X4 and onward
208996 No.16120400
>>16118894
"That's maverick talk! Prepare to get blasted!"
b744f6 No.16120848
>>16120360
This, and it helps that the series goes to shit immediately in X4. The only losers that defend it are zero fanboys knee deep in denial.
0aee95 No.16120917
>>16118220
You forgot one.
>whole game is about killing the main villain Gackt
>in the end, Gackt lives and you don't
37d697 No.16120920
Mario would have literally been eaten alive as a baby if it weren't for him.
0aee95 No.16120936
>>16114533
I was so happy, when I killed X in Megaman Zero 1. No one likes X, for a very specific reason. Usually people side with underdogs because they're likeable and more relatable than big achievers. But X doesn't remain weak, he snowballs into enormous power and no one likes a God Cop Robot around. He becomes a larger potential threat than Sigma.
fecbd1 No.16120953
>>16115692
>Well he is a robot, if you program a computer to run faggotboi.exe it's never going to mature out of it
Then the question is why Light did this. Despite the appearance and friendly demanor, he didn't come across as a pussy to me and probably knew when something needed to be done.
fecbd1 No.16120959
>>16114596
>I don't get why he should feel guilty for the whole reploid thing since Dr. Cain was the one who decided to replicate him, I think even Dr. Light left instructions about the whole diagnosing period.
If the whole reploid problem is the result of the unfinished diagnostic procedure (bar the Zero/Sigma virus), then how the fuck didn't they come up with a similar procedure or a way to make properly functioning reploids in hundreds of years to come
e22ad4 No.16120999
>>16114533
Why does OP want heroes to fall into the debt trap?
fecbd1 No.16121021
>>16115777
So much this.
Generally, any time they could subvert the narrative a little out of the little weeb anime pond, they fail to do so.
The cliffhanger in ZXA could've been interesting, but we never got ZX3.
fecbd1 No.16121034
>>16118241
How is that different from getting mentally ill and believing one concrete crazy idea but being otherwise sane or even a genius at times?
Like Terry A Davis or something.
That is, of course, all assuming we have free will and it's even possible to have one, which, by the looks of it, it isn't.
1620a8 No.16121176
>>16120360
X4 was still fun though.
e22ad4 No.16121495
>>16121034
You are a nigger. Repent before it is too late.
feaad6 No.16122931
>>16120959
Because the diagnostic procedure was the optimal way but it required time, at minimum I think it was 30 years, in "machine time" you can imagine how many simulations that would account for, X went for longer than the minimum required.
d4a2b6 No.16122998
>>16121495
I miss him bros. :'(
e2f177 No.16123182
>>16122998
why? he just got separate from his mortal body, that's all.
52baf3 No.16123225
>>16114592
Imagine your whole life is being stuck in a room with a teacher who does nothing but babel philosophy at you for a century. You tell me you wouldn't be hopelessly naive after that.
>>16118241
>Go nuts? But none of the Mavericks fight each other.
Dr. Wily achieved things which crosses over into legit Super Science. The Maverick virus is just the tip of the iceberg of what he's done in the series.
6959c0 No.16123293
>>16114657
You have to remember that Hackfraudjima is the biggest soyboy of all time and the Japenese equivalent of your average Kotaku writer.
1620a8 No.16124024
Wall of text incoming.
On the point of X's tendency towards peace, he has a pretty good reason to prefer that.
X was designed from the ground up as an armed enforcer, and the first decision he made when he first met Light (prior to being put in the morality simulation pod) was to fight for peace. Still, he chooses to stop aggression rather than propagating it, as he's often found giving Reploids a chance to stop being Mavericks, not because he doesn't like fighting, but because he doesn't like killing, and even though he doesn't like killing, he only hesitates to kill when there are innocents in his way.
X has no qualms with fighting people. Hell, he does it for sport in the Maverick Hunter HQ, often running training simulations and even fighting other Hunters in sparring sessions, like Magma Dragoon (before he went Maverick out of envy towards X because he always refused to fight Dragoon at full power a trait that pays homage to Akuma but that's beside the point. Dragoon is right, because X never really uses his full power, even when fighting Mavericks.
Do remember that X has limitless potential, and considering all the things X pulled off in the series, it's not just a motivational throwaway line. X's actual full power is still unknown, and goes way, way beyond what you see in the games.
Remember when X not only single-handedly destroyed Sigma and his pet wolf, but also destroyed his entire fortress and sunk the entire fucking island it was sitting on in the first game? That place is at the bottom of the ocean.
Remember when X learned how to do Hadoukens and Shoryukens in X1? That shit's canon, and both attacks one-shot everything, even Sigma.
X quite literally beat Zero in a 1v1 fight, twice (three if you count Fake Zero from X2), And in both fights, Zero was fully unhinged thanks to the Sigma Virus, or a manifestation of the virus itself at max power.
X once hooked up a power cable to his X Buster during his fight with Boomerang Kuwanger and charged a shot so powerful, he blew up half the tower he was in. That tower was bigger than the Burj Khalifa.
X blew up a nuclear missile in Overdrive Ostrich's stage by grabbing on to it and shooting at the warhead with his Buster while it was flying off into orbit.
X once got an armor set that turned him into the equivalent of a walking tank destroyer in Command Mission.
How tough is his armor, you wonder? X had a fucking orbital colony the size of Australia drop on his head while he was stuck in a tunnel maze of cybernetic nightmares fighting Sigma at the end of X5. Everything from his chest down was pulverized, and to top it off, Sigma shot him square on the chest, going right through his microfusion core, which is basically death for any Reploid. X canonically survived all of that.
1620a8 No.16124042
>>16124024
I don't even need to mention the Mavericks he's killed because that's just Tuesday. None of this shit is even a quarter of what he can do lore-wise. In the X4 manga, X has a literal mental breakdown (the type of breakdown where your face defaults to a thousand yard stare hiding the rage of a thousand suns) from all the senseless chaos Sigma's Mavericks were causing ever since his rebellion began, after personally witnessing Reploids and close friends being literally dismembered, blown up, impaled, crushed, sliced into pieces and even zombified by Maverick forces. The moment he gets his Ultimate Armor for the first time, what he does to Slash Beast in the manga is so obscenely violent that it's not even shown at all. The scene doesn't come back to a dead Slash Beast, it comes back to X standing on a pile of decimated scrap metal the size of peanuts surrounded by fire. For comparison's sake, when Zero arrives just in time to see the aftermath, he fucking shits his metal pants in fear. I legitimately cannot stress how absurdly violent the MMX manga series is, but the moment X loses his mind silences everything else. He goes on a genocide crusade powered by constant PTSD from watching who are essentially his children dying in front of him all the time.
We only really got one true glimpse at X going all-out, and it happened in the Day of Sigma movie from Maverick Hunter X. After disarming himself of his X Buster in a failed attempt to reason with Sigma and the latter activates the launch sequence of dozens of ICBMs headed for Abel City, X is stabbed by Sigma's saber right through his microfusion core just to pour salt on the wound. X gets so fucking furious that he outright refuses to shut down and walks towards Sigma, pushing against the saber stuck on his torso, and punches him right in the fucking face with his remaining arm, Shining Finger style. He moves so fast that Sigma can't even process what's happening. X, missing an arm and essentially with a big gaping hole where his heart should be, grabs Sigma's face and almost scrapes it clean off. Sigma would've died there and then had X not shut down shortly after giving his face brand new scars. That wasn't even his full power.
When X says "please, I don't want to fight you" he's pretty much saying "please, I don't want to kill you." It's a miracle that X has so much conviction to be a good guy, because if he were to turn evil, he could pretty much wipe the planet clean of life. Combine that with the fact that he's constantly worried that he might turn Maverick or go berserk, and you'll start to understand why X is so against fighting.
feaad6 No.16124100
>>16124024
>>16124042
Thanks, finally someone says it, but nah! some people say "hurr, Zero had to do the thing that X was unable to because he was a wimp" just because X was basically a ghost by the time Zero had his own series.
144611 No.16124105
>>16124024
>>16124042
Was this shit ever translated?
1620a8 No.16124185
>>16124100
People conveniently forget that everytime Zero died, X went on to stop entire wars by himself.
>>16124105
I don't think so, it's been a long time since I checked, but you can find the raws around.
0aa830 No.16124195
So if X is so powerful as the above poster describes how did the original OP as fuck X die/become a cyber elf before the events of megaman zero series of games?
020f88 No.16124197
>>16124024
>>16124042
Reading this stuff makes me miss 90's anime, power levels still felt fun to me
1620a8 No.16124226
>>16124195
X eventually realized that he cannot end war as a whole and just retires. He's been fighting nonstop for over an entire century, and even after Sigma is dead for good, shit still happens. He just went "I'm done." Zero sealed himself in a pod to rest for a whole century without his knowledge, most humans and all of his friends were already dead by the time MMZ took place. X just got tired of losing things he cared about, and of war in general.
f32dd8 No.16124244
>>16120360
X3 wasn't that great either, honestly.
b3fcc3 No.16124280
>>16120360
X4 is better than X3 but I agree with you
1620a8 No.16124383
>>16124226
Forgot to mention X sacrificed his physical body to lock up the Mother Elf and thus end the Elf Wars, hence why he became a ghost in MMZ before retiring to Cyberspace.
c5efa3 No.16124461
>>16118460
If you ever feel a need to replay it, remember that fans did what Square could never be fucked to do themselves, and fixed the PSP port's slowdown via a patch.
c5efa3 No.16124549
>>16124105
Looks like the volumes for X1 have been (and are hosted at drneko), but I'm not sure about anything past that.
95b2aa No.16124575
Do not forget to mention Zero never had his full programming or armorset from Wily. Nor his whole weaponset. MX2 mentions Zero is incomplete, and the black zero you fight turns back red if you play it right. X is godlike but Zero was made first. And was not supposed to be woken up ever after he slaughtered the original people that excavated him
eb7422 No.16124700
>>16124024
I really enjoyed your posts
f811b7 No.16124976
Hold on guys, are you talking about original X, or Megaman X BR edition?
>>16124042
>that last pic
Zero is not the only one shitting his pants. Holy shit
Yeah, it's a shame but it's the same ambiguous situation you see in any action manga: a character is an absurdly powerful force of good, but at the same time it's either retarded or pacifist until it gets serious. And sadly they focused on this last for X characterization for the last games.
Another sign that Inafune just didn't give a fuck.
4b85e8 No.16125049
>>16124383
>There will never be an Elf Wars game
573c21 No.16125053
>>16125049
god i hope not
because 1 game is not enough to go over everything that happen at the cyberelf war. so that means it would have to start another series with 8+ games
4b85e8 No.16125056
>>16125053
A manga series is fine too
573c21 No.16125070
>>16125056
but now that i think about it
they could make a 4 game series and then put it together with megaman zero and then those two archs would become a saga
cad5e1 No.16125072
>>16124976
hahaha holy shit
c19167 No.16125383
>>16124042
>>16124024
I still say X needs to adopt a loli to bring out more of his potential. Something to give him paternal love, one of the strongest powers in shonen if you have it. Someone to make him happy for a little while.
1620a8 No.16125448
>>16125383
While that does sound wholesome, having something as important as an adoptive daughter would probably send him over the edge again if she were to be in danger, or even get hurt.
Witnessing Blizzard Buffalo, a reformed Maverick-turned-Hunter that X saved may he rest in peace, sacrificing himself to save X sent him over the edge. Who knows what X would do if another protegé of his were to get hurt.
Dammit now I'm remembering Buffalo's story again.
d382aa No.16125486
>>16124976
>Plug and Play jokes
Between that and Roll child rape scene i just don't know what to think of this comic
1620a8 No.16125526
Another tale: What happens to X when he loses a close friend.
Blizzard Buffalo used to be a sculptor reploid, whose job was to make wondrous ice statues to decorate his home city during winters. One day, he met a lonely child, who was making a snowman by himself, and became his first friend, helping him make many different sculptures for fun. When Dr. Doppler's insurgence began in Megaman X3, Buffalo was infected by the Maverick Virus through his ice horns (which acted like some sort of antenna downlink system connected to his brain) without even realizing it.
Driven mad by the Maverick virus, Buffalo froze the entire city, killing hundreds in a rampage against his own will. When X arrived to stop him, he found Buffalo in immense pain from the Maverick virus, unable to stop himself from attacking him, and he was forced to fight. Moments before Buffalo killed X, the child showed up to stop him. Buffalo remembered who it was, and his brain went haywire as he struggled to stop the virus from attacking the child. Realizing that Buffalo was not himself, X took the opportunity to shoot his horns out, saving him from the Maverick virus once and for all.
Even after being saved, Buffalo still begged X to kill him off, as atonement for his sins, but X chooses to save Buffalo instead, forgiving him for what he did. Likewise, the child forgives Buffalo for the things the Maverick virus forced him to do, even though he would suffer the guilt for the rest of his life. Determined to set things right, Buffalo decides to join the Maverick Hunters, even though he was not built for combat, and even though his effectiveness was average at best, X was still very happy to have him fight alongside him.
Unfortunately, Buffalo would meet his end in Megaman X4 by sacrificing himself to save X from Frost Warlus, impaled by one of his Frost Tower spikes right in front of X. Of all the suffering X had seen up until this moment, Buffalo's death was enough to shatter his peaceful ways, and drove him over the edge. It was the first time X became cold, unhinged and murderous in his life. He would go on to destroy the entirety of Repliforce while Zero was busy fighting Colonel and Iris, killing both Storm Owl and Magma Dragoon at once, splitting Double in two with a single attack, among a myriad of other dead Mavericks he left in his wake. X would only snap out of his agony-fueled berserk mode when a wounded and defeated General, the one who killed his own officer Frost Warlus along with X, embraced him in a hug, telling him that he understands his pain, before sending him off to stop Sigma with a salute.
Buffalo's frozen corpse can be still be found in the background when you play Frost Warlus' stage in Megaman X4, encaged in a coffin of ice. Most of his life was unwarranted pain, and his entire stage and theme song reflect that, which is why it's so out of place with the rest of the series' music. The child is probably still waiting to see him again.
1620a8 No.16125531
Buffalo's struggle is even present in X3 during gameplay. When X takes more than 6 bars of damage at once, usually from boss attacks, he'll take a knee for a few seconds to recover from the blow. Unlike most other bosses, Blizzard Buffalo will actually pause his assault and let X recover, should he take a knee in his presence.
4151a5 No.16125536
>>16114572
>Be Zero in X games
>Brain deadly slash through enemies with inflated damage and just win through DPS
>Be Zero in Zero games
>Legit get combo strings which kill bosses in 2 combos which removes the entire point of giving them 2-3 health bars
>Be "Zero" in ZX
>1 combo kill bosses
Nice "better" gameplay
833675 No.16125538
>>16116168
>>16116236
>>16116335
>>16116946
I love the X series, but trying to dissect the plot (as though a ton of thought was put into it even by it's writers) to try to suss out what exactly constitutes a reploid's "free will" is pointless. To say they have "free will" is much like when a writer of a novel calls a character "charming", it's a trait bestowed upon the character descriptively because the author doesn't have the capability of actually making the character demonstrate it.
Not that I can blame the writers, free will is a pretty nebulous and poorly understood metaphysical concept when applied to real people (whom most would say probably posses it), nonetheless when applied to a machine (for which it's probably impossible).
For as much has been made of the robot/reploid distinction, the motives and function of mavericks is identical to those of the robot masters. Within the canon they are for some reason understood as being different, but in analyzing them from a realistic perspective, reploids are more complex robots and that's it.
fa2717 No.16125582
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>>16125526
Damn
Is this lore somewhere else or just in the manga?
Well, this kind of details give more explanation for lines like this one at the end of Megaman Zero, even if you somewhat took it for granted being 100 years after the X series.
The guy just broke after that point.
1620a8 No.16125611
>>16125582
Megaman lore has always been there, it's just not thrown at you in the games until around X5. Prior to that, the lore was given through manga up until X4, and it offers a lot of insight on the characters. It really makes you care for them a little bit more.
6ed91b No.16125612
>>16124042
Also if I may add a extra incentive. MM7 when Rock confronts Wily and remains point blank away from eighty sixing him. Remember that sentence he said.
1620a8 No.16126734
>>16125612
You mean die Wily? That line is pretty controversial. It's also heavily debated if it's even canon since in the jap version Rock is completely silent in that sequence.
c19167 No.16126794
>>16126734
The line I was thinking of was
I AM MORE THAN A ROBOT.
4cb0ee No.16127392
>>16126794
That's part of the same line you retard. He still points his gun at Wily though.
d795d0 No.16131875
>>16124042
Pic 4:
<This is a vaccine data chip!?
<But… This hand is…
<C… Could it be,
<This debris is Beast Leo!?
>The one who killed my subordinates, in his last moments, begged for his own life…
Pic 5:
<X…
<Will you wait, X!?
>If you hinder me,
>I will kill you.
What in the fuck, X?
4b85e8 No.16131950
>>16131875
Ackchually, X says
>A guy that kills his own subordinates, in the end even begged for his life…
>If (someone) stands in my way I'll kill them, even if it's you
But yeah, pretty brutal
f40759 No.16131954
Reminder that the mavericks are niggers and jews, and X is completely justified in wanting to wipe them out.
290f5f No.16131968
>>16127392
What's Mega Man saying, /v/?
d795d0 No.16131999
>>16131950
>A guy that kills his own subordinates
How did you decide that 自分の was "His own" instead of "My?" I assumed that wouldn't make sense without context showing that he did such a thing.
898f2d No.16132001
>>16131968
STOP RESISTING, HE'S REACHING FOR MY BUSTER
a1147c No.16132012
>>16131968
>13% of the population are responsible for 50% of the violent crimes!
898f2d No.16132029
>>16132013
>Wily
>Not a jew
just look at him
4b85e8 No.16132030
>>16131999
I'm wondering how you decided that 自分 was X referring to himself in that case, since X uses 俺 to refer to himself in the last page.
62621d No.16132033
>>16132029
>muh Einstein
Fuck off.
d795d0 No.16132070
>>16132030
Because in every dictionary where I've seen 自分, Myself is listed first, implying that it's the more likely option, and in most cases I've seen it used, it's used that way. I hadn't seen Slash Beast kill his own men, but Repliforce did kill Maverick Hunters, which X commands a unit of, so it was the safer assumption. Why does X using 俺 in a later sentence preclude the possibility that he would use 自分 for himself there? I admit that grammar is not my strong suit.
62621d No.16132081
430683 No.16132164
>>16123293
What are Kojima's actual politics? I haven't played MGSV, but from the rest of the series I get:
>war is really cool
>war is bad
>soldiers are noble badasses that get fucked over by the government
>soldiers are dangerous psychopaths that are a threat to humanity
>Big Boss is cool for trying to start a country whose sole purpose is fucking up other countries because war is cool
>Solid Snake is a loser because, even though he actually gives a shit about his friends and tries to stop the proliferation of dangerous weapons, he is old
>>16115322
Has this fucking slope ever elaborated on why he constantly jacks off to Big Boss? For the record, Big Boss is a much bigger faggot than Solid Snake.
fecbd1 No.16132519
>>16124024
>Remember when X learned how to do Hadoukens and Shoryukens in X1? That shit's canon
Could you provide the source?
7c96e0 No.16132544
>>16132164
>What are Kojima's actual politics?
That if soldiers were in charge of making war and not politicians, no wars would be fought. That wouldn't necessarily mean absolute peace, however: soldiers would still keep fighting to the top, but eventually the good guys would win.
It sounds marginally better than our current present, where the jews ignite wars to kill and steal from the goy.
7c96e0 No.16132546
>>16115322
Kojima couldn't resist the idea of Big Boss (japanese Che Guevara) gaining world power, something that didn't fit Solid Snake's character (japanese Snake Plissken).
b3a47f No.16132704
>>16114734
Metal Gear Sold should have been about Solid Snake and Otacon performing jobs and destroying Metal Gear until Snake got old and retired instead of the clusterfuck it became post-MGS2.
e88899 No.16132821
>>16114533
Imagine getting your protagonism cucked by a literal fucking talking dragon
1620a8 No.16132863
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>>16132519
According to Light in Maverick Hunter X (in which Capcom made a point that everything presented in it is canon), X is capable of mastering the Hadoken, since it is a technique fueled by the spirit, and X's soul is nearly human. But it doesn't stop there.
Magma Dragoon can do it too. X charged special weapon from Dragoon in X4 also does it.
X and Zero can also do Enkoujins and Senpukyakus along with Shoryukens in X8.
X also does hadoukens in Project X Zone.
1620a8 No.16132947
>>16132070
Slash Beast does slice one of his Repliforce subordinate's throat open out of arrogance moments before X shows up.
5564ad No.16133203
>>16132821
>Caim
>hero
He didn't deserve every bad thing that happened but he sure deserved a lot.
a1147c No.16133344
>>16132164
It might help if you stopped looking at things so one-dimensionally.
8fd4ca No.16133356
>>16132164
>Has this fucking slope ever elaborated on why he constantly jacks off to Big Boss? For the record, Big Boss is a much bigger faggot than Solid Snake.
Because snake is a cool suave hero that self sacrafices and does things for the good of others, even shows compassion to his enemies sometimes, and despite his inferior genetics he always comes out on top as he just does what needs doing instead of some complex plan with people that will obviously fail and betray you.
Big boss is a literall autist that cries over his mother and whines about war and how good peace is when he is the biggest threat to humanity as a whole, causing untold amount of deaths, manipulating people for his own gain and being a member of the patriots that forced society into constant wars for the benefit of the military industrial complex; and is just some generic knock off of some spies from 60s movies and TV, really rude cant hold a conversation and killed his mother.
452a1c No.16133456
>>16133356
So you're saying Solid Snack is a flawless supersoldier while Big Boss is a flawed human being that made mistakes throughout his life, and you wonder why people like and relate to the latter more than the former?
8fd4ca No.16133465
>>16133456
people relate to solid snake because he's human, redditors love big boss because he's an autist that loves his mummy
>solid snake
>flawless
he's the flawed one genetics wise
>big boss
>mistakes
>creating your own personal army twice and causing conflicts is a "mistake" and not some shit relating to the bosses vision that was purposefully carried out in hopes of fucking shit up
wew
7831f5 No.16133474
>>16124024
>How tough is his armor, you wonder? X had a fucking orbital colony the size of Australia drop on his head while he was stuck in a tunnel maze of cybernetic nightmares fighting Sigma at the end of X5. Everything from his chest down was pulverized, and to top it off, Sigma shot him square on the chest, going right through his microfusion core, which is basically death for any Reploid. X canonically survived all of that.
So basically X is more powerful than a gundam
4b85e8 No.16133558
>>16132070
>Why does X using 俺 in a later sentence preclude the possibility that he would use 自分 for himself there?
I don't really know how to explain in technical terms, but most of the time you see 自分の it will mean to "one's own" instead of "my own", unless its specified that the speaker uses 自分 as a personal pronoun, which is a thing people don't usually switch on the fly. Since he uses 俺 you can expect him to stick to that unless he's trying to be polite or something.
2da45d No.16133723
>When Reptile loses in his bout to Johnny cage, Shao kahn orders Kotal to kill him
>Kotal visits Reptile but basically says "why the fuck is Shao sending a warrior who's better at assassination strikes into an MMA conflict? Bruh, we're cool, I ain't gonna try to kill ya."
>Shao is nuked by elder gods
>so who leads?
>Mileena jumps to command claiming to be Shao's daughter
>Reiko wanted to be the new Kahn so he smooches up to Mileena and calls her things like "pretty"
>tries to stave off sex with her, but mileena modifies her body to give him what he wants, such as succ so she gets lips
>Reiko and mileena keep causing shit
>Goro gets a hair up his ass to kill off Kotal's people
>Kotal cuts off Goro's arms
>has to explode Goro's father's head
>Finally is able to talk to Kintaro and say "I didn't want to rule you, just ask for your help if Outworld was getting fucked." and Kintaro agrees.
>suddenly, Shinnok
>earthrealm is having hell break loose
>Kotal says "oy, if earthrealm falls, we're next. Lets join forces and kick ass."
>Mileena says no
>Kotal wishes she wasn't Kahn
>Reptile says "Yo, I'll do you a solid. turns out she's just a clone and has no relation to Shao, so she has no claim to the throne"
>Ermac is like "We don't follow you, bitch"
>only ones still on mileena's side are tanya, rain, baraka and reiko
>Baraka fights and D'vorah finishes him
>mileena escapes and starts a civil war
>shinnok gets sealed in his amulet
>bullshit happens and Reiko does bad shit thanks to mileena and eventually he dies and shinnok's amulet comes back
>Kotal is offered to keep it but he says "nuh-uh, mileena is still free, take it elsewhere." so sonya takes it
>fast forward and mileena has the amulet again
>Kotal is fucking mad, how did earthrealm drop the ball? fuck
>kombat kids show up with promise to find mileena to get the amulet
>after breaking 20 laws and being general dickbags, they help track down mileena and the amulet
>Kotal has D'vorah remove mileena. one less nutjob
>but raiden has been a faggot this whole time so the amulet can't go back
>captures kombat kids and says "I'll let you go once raiden agrees to let me keep the amulet since we got rid of the traitor. Go wait on a boat for 20 minutes so I can get some political shit done"
>D'vorah turns traitor and because the kombat kids broke jail 15 minutes in, they look like they helped her
>Kotal rallies the troops and steps into earthrealm
>wtf it's been 5 minutes and shinnok already ate earth
>fuck it, capture the kombat kids, use them as offerings so we can pretend to work WITH Shinnok and find a way to stop him
>suddenly sub zero
>don't even get a resolution to whatever was happening
Kotal Kahn just wants Outworld to stop sucking but earthrealm won't let it.
2a96dd No.16133850
>>16133723
Kotal did nothing wrong, hes the best thing to come out of mkx.
I really wanna see what will happpen with edgy raiden getting fed up with outworld's rapefugees.
b7bc7f No.16133965
>>16133456
>Solid
>Flawless
he got played like a fiddle all his life, never getting to make his own decision up to the day he died. Constantly getting shit on by his world and even his own creator. Meanwhile Big Baww gets constant Kojima handjobs jerking him off about how cool he is. To the point that Metal Gear SOLID, seems like it should be titled Metal Gear BOSS.
1620a8 No.16146000
By the way, X's Golden Hyper Armor granted him the ability to regenerate his entire body even after he's destroyed down to his core, essentially making him nearly immortal. That's another glimpse of his limitless potential. Of all people in the X series, X himself is the one who suffers (and dies) the most. He kept pressing on for over an entire century.
And you thought you knew the strongest character in japanese media.
3ed3e5 No.16146052
So this is the power of lore autism…
They always said one shouldn't go down the rabbithole of nip manga lore autism, and now I know why.
Based on playing every game, one would think X, though he was designed first, was a destructible reploid whose abilities are limited (seeing as how the possibility of losing in the game logically necessitates he is limited and can lose, X being an indestructible super man would be stupid as well as nonsensical given how the game works).
Lore autist:
<Well, actchyually…
1620a8 No.16146071
>>16146052
>a destructible reploid whose abilities are limited
X1 outright says his power is limitless, but he can very well die. It's his Hyper Armor that grants him immortality, otherwise he has to be rebuilt, granted there's pieces of him left to rebuild. Same for Zero, and everyone else.
>X being an indestructible super man would be stupid as well as nonsensical given how the game works
Welcome to videogame design. Pretty much any game with a protag who canonically saves the world and survives ridiculous odds can have said character die ingame. Lore is lore, gameplay is gameplay.
54226d No.16146096
>>16146071
>Pretty much any game with a protag who canonically saves the world and survives ridiculous odds can have said character die ingame.
I've actually seen immortality handled well in games before like Nioh and Planescape Torment, but also poorly like in Fable 3. Game over doesn't always need to be death, just a general fail state that forces you to start over. I actually think the early X games did a great job showing his adapting and growing over time by becoming crazy powerful once he gets all his health and armor upgrades without making him unstoppable superman. Well unless you used the Ultimate Armor cheat, then you could just spam novastrike and laugh at the games.
898f2d No.16146105
>>16146071
That poster is retarded but there is a valid criticism on the manga being different than the game, especially considering that X4s plot in game was the potentially arbitrary application of the Maverick label being used to quash dissent among reploids rather than just hunting down those infected with the virus. X's character plot in the game was him grappling with that and questioning what makes someone a Maverick and if he could ever become one while in the manga well you've described it
1620a8 No.16146220
>>16146105
Well it is a 90's manga based on a 90's videogame series so powerlevels are kind of unavoidable. That said, the (game) plot of X4 is a lot more contrived than what is seen at first glance, involving things like terrorism, and it's the most enjoyable Sigma master plan.
898f2d No.16146280
>>16146220
I'm well aware of the plot I played the game but it involved things like False flags, Sabotage and well the end reveal is what it was.
My point is that unlike what another anon in this thread said it ended with a more doubtful X who was even asking Zero to be the one to put him down if he ever faltered (which was part of the build up and foreshadowing intended for MMZ where Zero was meant to kill X)
7fbd53 No.16146303
6fd1f2 No.16149719
>>16146000
Dark Souls mod with X armors & crossbows when?
03ecd9 No.16160423
Repliforce did nothing wrong.
d744aa No.16162799
>>16124185
>X
>Voiced by Mark Gatha
>Doing the Shining Finger
7cd035 No.16164089
>>16114802
I know the shitty translation didn't help, but you missed the point of the ending. Yeah, ramza and friends ended up branded as heretics and traitors, and the first guy who tried to tell the truth got burned at the stake.
But 200 years later a descendant of the burned guy actually published again and finally cleaned their names and gave them the recognition they deserved as heroes.
As a bonus, in Vagrant Story (which also happens in Ivalice only much later) you can see references to Ajora's religion and items like "Agrias' Balm" and "Orlandu's Bone" or some shit, meaning it's not just a FF meme item, they were actually remembered.
2da45d No.16164292
>>16133850
I'm really hoping that with the time fuckery and edgy raiden trying to be an asshole that Kotal and Outworld as a whole and just trying to stay out of it because fuck that noise, but the idea of Kotal needing the elder Gods to instate the rules of Mortal Kombat to protect outworld from Raiden would be a hell of a turnaround.
ffbd62 No.16164323
>>16164292
Kotal did nothing wrong the true foe in the MK series is the fucking piss poor joke of the animations and the retarded baby's first combos
058e1f No.16165402
>>16131875
pic 5
"I will kill EVEN you"
898f2d No.16189665
1620a8 No.16189818
>>16189665
Thanks, I thought only X1 was translated.
>>16125383
Granted.
898f2d No.16189856
>>16189818
Do you have the last chapter of X1 I can't seem to find it
1620a8 No.16190531
f4e767 No.16190539
>>1618981
t l a H
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Vertical lettering translates to English so fucking badly, holy shit.
f4e767 No.16190545
>>16190539
Oops, I fucked up the reply. Meant for >>16189818
1620a8 No.16190551
>>16190539
That's japanese speech bubbles for you.
14181b No.16190557
>>16114657
What's with those thighs?
acb305 No.16190601
>>16115322
Don't forget he wanted to end MGS4 with Snake being executed for war crimes, and his staff outright refused to work with it
Or that's just a rumor, I forget, but it sure fucking sounds like him
6f5719 No.16190691
Rose convos aside, I never understood all the hate for Raiden. He's basically what Solid would have become if he didn't have any friends to fight for.
>raised as a child soldier in Africa
>kill far more people than anyone else in your child squad because you're compared with fucking Africans
>become so fucked up that it takes years of counseling just to adapt to life in America
>become an unwitting puppet for the Patriots as part of some scheme to make him into Solid Snake 2: Blond Boogaloo
>have to kill 25 fucking Metal Gears in a row
>mindfucked into thinking that his entire life is a simulation
>forced to become a cyborg that ruins any slim chance of him acclimating to society and a normal life
>now just a psychopath with a sword doing his best to only murder bad guys
b33bb6 No.16190706
>>16190691
>>16190691
>Rose convos aside, I never understood all the hate for Raiden.
You're very ignorant if you don't know that he's just fujoshi-bait and the marketing tricked fans into believing they'll play a solid snake game.
898f2d No.16190932
Thank You
also I just got a link to the rest of the X2 translation (link contains all of the translated X mangas and originals)
https://mega.nz/#!JbZWnTZB!v1AZHr3LsN0tOs1hFWUv-_iNvxU8Aulshm42bqxCuAA
a9aa51 No.16190989
>>16190706
>fujoshi-bait
Teen girls are not the same as fujoshi.
Solid Snake appeals to fujoshi, Raiden does not.
d260e7 No.16190999
>>16190989
Pretty certain that they have outright admitted that Raiden was their attempt to appeal to women. Fairly sure that is more credible than your mental gymnastics, you literal fag.
898f2d No.16191012
4b27d6 No.16191074
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16189665
>X1's last chapter and X2's last half just got uploaded
Neat.
a9aa51 No.16191263
>>16190999
Wow, you're dumb as a rock.
b4c9f0 No.16191348
>>16118460
When you see all of Ramza's companions surrounding him as the echo of his soul returns to the aethricite it is one of those moments. Plus his sister lived on, married a good man, and even though she had to watch on in silence as he was burned at the stake, she lived a happy life with their children and their line continued on for a millennia.
The original was so great I bought The War of the Lions but I never finished either. Too bad everyone in game is a shitter, never know their roles, and make the raid a huge pain in the ass to complete.
6d818f No.16191364
>>16189665
Did Chris-chan draw this?
898f2d No.16192161
>>16191074
>X2's last half just got uploaded
your welcome
f3303d No.16192288
>>16114533
X's life was shit. I can't think of any more iconic hero who sacrificed everything only for everything to have been for naught and no one gives it a fucking thought. I don't blame him for originally deciding "fuck it" and betraying his own fellow Reploids to ensure the remainder of humanity could live after snapping and now gunning down Mavericks without even pity.
f3303d No.16195924
>>16125486
>spoiler
You need to elaborate.
152638 No.16196010
>>16114647
>Obnoxious yiffbait who everyone thought was a girl when he first appeared and should've stayed in the cutting room floor of ideas and has the most cancerous fans of anyone in the already cancerous Sonic fanbase
Tails is trash and can eat a dick.
90c4ea No.16196036
>>16196010
Go away, Eggman. You're just mad because you got beaten by Tails in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.
f3303d No.16198520
>>16196010
Tails is fucking amazing for /ss/ faps and used to have actual backbone and precocious maturity even when he thought Sonic was dead and he had to take his place. Don't be a faggot.
f3303d No.16204787
>>16190691
Raiden would have never been hated if they hadn't deliberately retardedly false advertised Snake being the protagonist and thought it was clever.
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1620a8 No.16219467
>>16218297
Megaman X3 prototype. I don't remember if it was cut though.
898f2d No.16219497
>>16125531
>>16219467
>In Mega Man X4, you can find Chill Penguin and Blizzard Buffalo encased in ice
So it looks like it was just an Easter egg for Ice Bosses rather than canonizing the Manga (makes sense they were too different to be the same continuity)
1620a8 No.16219504
>>16219497
That's a possibility, but what's strange is that while Penguin is also in there, he's frozen in his "hurt" sprite, while Buffallo got a compleye new sprite specifically made to make him look like he got brutalized, rather than having his original sprite. Guy's even missing an arm and all.
15f035 No.16220986
>>16218297
https://tcrf.net/Proto:Mega_Man_X3_(SNES)/August_Prototypes
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wsxofapytlne987/AAA1rRs66cpa0lj_nqb2mc6Aa
Surprisingly he was generous enough to let me recover inside of his body on our last bit of health and let me kill him without the contact damage instantly killing me when I got up to shoot. Truly a noble buffalo.
b32693 No.16244189
>>16114533
Nah man, X was always the realist nigga. Even in the Zero series he constantly saved Zero's ass and is responsible for the world not falling apart in the 600 years that dumb red fucks been asleep. Zero is the one doing the stuff in fights, but X is still pulling a Persona 3 until the end of Z2, and being an obiwan for another game after.
b32693 No.16244208
>>16124195
Play Zero 2 you dumb fuck