97b0e8 No.16102299
Word of mouth is extremely strong and has an extremely large range this day and era.
People tend to talk about things they think other people don't know about, sharing it on social media, paradoxically making it more known.
10,000,000 players in less than a month. Zero trailers or journalist coverage before hand; just vague murmurs about Titanfall 3.
By circumventing the conventional means of marketing Apex Legends might have just stumbled into the next evolution of marketing.
For example: If Apex had came out with the traditional market structure. (a big reveal, and a few months time before release.) Things would have gone very differently.
People would be saying to each other:
>Oh, that game is by EA.
>That game has micro-transactions.
>That game doesn't have the things Titanfall had.
>It's just another Battle Royale.
>/v/ would be complaining about the pozz.
>Everyone would find something to hate.
It's clear that the industry is full of scams, exploitation, and fraud these days and most people know it.
Even on /v/, anons spend half of their threads talking about the "meta" of the industry, rather than the games themselves. (Thus the phrase "/v/ doesn't talk about video games")
The sheer amount of money and technology being thrown into the industry has grown so large that consumers have become hyper-aware of what goes on in the industry.
Even on the normalfag level.
So what Respawn has decided to do is not given consumers time to reflect on the game. I'm pretty sure that this was Respawn's call and not EA's. The Titanfall fandom is completely heart-broken right now, and Respawn knew that they would be very vocally displeased with Apex. This is also why i think the leak was a real leak because the devs knew that "Titanfall BattleRoyale" was the last thing TF players were wanting to hear. The leak only came out 2 days before and referred to a "Titanfall" BR which Respawn didn't want.
What was instead give time to form was:
A) Gameplay and polish (Respawn is very good at what they do and didn't sit on their ass after Titanfall 2)
B) They gave streamers early access
B is very important for the following reasons.
1.) It allows devs to soft-release and tweak the game in a controlled manner. Catering to the wants of streamers.
2.) It gives streamers the ability to gain an advantage over their peers by being able to practice the game before hand.
In Apex Legends streamers like Shroud were give over a month to play the game beforehand.
What this does is essentially give streamers the power of, critic, salesman, and gatekeeper all in one. A symbiotic relationship between influencer and corporation.
So now Streamers, acting as patient zero for a games exposure, have become the new way to debut a game.
The losers in this new era of marketing.
1. Tradition ad makers, they of course become less important.
2. Journalists lose out big time, with Streamers taking full control of the cultural zeitgeist.
3. Consumers. Consumers always lose when it comes to marketing.
The spreadsheet showing the differences between the marketing budget of Anthem and Apex Legends must be staggering.
In the coming days, if this formula is repeated and shown to have success, it could become the new "experimental" standard.
Why give consumers the time to reflect on a game flaws when it's almost guaranteed that those flaws will go viral?
This is not to say the Apex's success is entirely unearned. Respawn are known for being very good at crafting fun FPS games.
But either way, Marketing has changed.
R.I.P Titanfall 2 my favorite FPS game :`(
7bf771 No.16102313
TL;DR another shit game becomes popular
3933ac No.16102319
This is a good post. I have literally nothing I can disagree about it.
t. business student who's had to take marketing classes
aebaff No.16102322
>>16102299
bots are not people.
97b0e8 No.16102332
>>16102322
I know real people playing Apex right now as we speak.
It's very real.
Twitch viewership could be bots, but who knows at this point.
f6657b No.16102333
>>16102313
>>16102322
It's people like you that make this board just a little bit worse.
5cf1f5 No.16102342
>>16102322
Normalfags are bots in the form of people.
3933ac No.16102343
>>16102322
I've seen actual people play it, and talk about playing it with their friends to me.
At the very least its gotten some success
070c69 No.16102420
>The Titanfall fandom is completely heart-broken right now
The entire fandom went through the "degradation of a hobby" picture in three fucking days. You could say that they're heart-broken.
>titanfall 2 is a 10/10 game with the best campaign in years and the fastest multiplayer mode since Tribes
>game flops on release
>never really sells well
>an extremely dedicated and autistic community springs up around it because the game is actually fucking fun
>it's also difficult enough to filter out casuals
>maybe a total of 8-9k people playing across all systems
>respawn pretty much confirms that they're working on Titanfall 3
>this same community holds out for two years, one of which involved no updates or new content for the game
>leaks come out about a "titanfall BR" game
>people assume it's a side project to hold people over until Titanfall 3
>AL comes out
>people who play Titanfall games try it out on release
>the fuck is this shit, this plays like Titanfall for cripples
>no robots
>no wallrunning
>no double jumps
>no ludicrous speeds
>awful TTK
>a bit of discussion is had
>pretty much agreed upon that the game is utter shit, but at least Titanfall 3 is coming out
>the next day
>respawn comes out and says that Titanfall 3 isn't in development
>people datamine AL and find evidence that AL was the re-purposed corpse of Titanfall 3
>the community is platinum fucking mad over getting backstabbed
>the normalfags really start catching on to AL because EA spent the entire marketing budget on "influencers"
>the same normalfags that never touched the Titanfall games
>every conversation criticizing AL gets bombarded with "i never played Titanfall, but AL is so fucking great you guys, like the best battle royale game out there, you must just hate fun, like it's free!!!"
>"you should be grateful to us because Titatanfall was a dead franchise before us"
>"nobody plays Titanfall, apex has ten million players in three days"
>"why are you upset that Titanfall 3 got changed into AL? You're so entitled" and a million other bullshit normalfag go to lines
I know you probably know all of this, OP because you're my nigger but I'm just miffed so I'm getting it off my chest.
e20907 No.16102432
Reminds me of Logan Paul wanting to make a start up company where he manufactures "YouTube friends" by investing in the talent. Like how Disney grooms child actors and musicians instead of finds them. Streamers will be no different. As of right now streamers are mostly honest. However the moment money starts pouring in to mask shills as genuine streamers just like how, MCNs manufacture vloggers instead of finding talent, people will start to distrust streamers. When that happens and no word of mouth can be trusted by any source expect who knows where you can go for genuine opinion.
db4c37 No.16102448
>>16102299
>anons spend half of their threads talking about the "meta" of the industry
Ironically I don't think it is meta enough, and that's why there are so many threads about it. Apply some critical theory; the "games industry" is just one facet of a condition, that's why indie developers and triple A's do the exact same things. It isn't economics, it's the cultural zeitgeist, and streamers don't "control" it, though I don't think OP meant that literally either.
It's the post-modern condition we live in: simulacra, copies without originals; signs and signifiers in constant confusion; and collapse of all historical metanarratives. If we consider things like SJW writing (a la the cast of Apex Legends) to be an aspect of the liberal progressive agenda, it becomes even more apparent. The last real historical metanarrative to collapse was the American spread of mixed-economy democracies to the third world, which never once succeeded in spite of, or because of, numerous armed conflicts over its course. The progressive movement is a retreat inwards which banalizes otherwise hostile/incompatible "agendas" like Middle Eastern cultures to instead focus on "internal reform" in first world countries that don't need it but are more accepting of it.
Current industry practices are an inward focus on hard-R gamers who don't need/really care about social justice, microtransactions, new hardware etc. (given that they are just as satisfied with Call of Duty in 2018 as they were in 2008), but are more accepting of it anyway. This partly delves into the condition of simulacra as for most people playing games now, there is no "original" state of video games, only the one they were born into, and so differences in kind are intangible. For those of us (I say us because I mean me) who were in large part socialized through games (Everquest groups, TF2 servers, forums, etc.) the difference is MUCH more tangible.
070c69 No.16102451
Oh, and I forgot to mention, apparently the normalfags stopped hating EA because of Apex.
97b0e8 No.16102454
>>16102420
>I know you probably know all of this, OP because you're my nigger but I'm just miffed so I'm getting it off my chest.
I know pilot, I know.
You never truly never appreciate something until you find out it's gone.
070c69 No.16102474
>>16102448
>there is no "original" state of video games
There's going to be kids soon that don't realize that you could just buy a game on a disc, pop it into your computer, hit next four or five times, wait for the install to finish then play all you wanted without paying anything extra, or downloading updates, or making accounts or downloading launchers.
e20907 No.16102477
My question is when will your IRL neighbors become actors groomed by big corporate government to make you vote what they want you to vote for?
aebaff No.16102492
>>16102432
>As of right now streamers are mostly honest.
is this 2015? most of the 'big' new streamers are paid actors who viewbot to scam ad networks.
da9592 No.16102498
>>16102454
I've never played Titanfall, why does it have so much fan art like this?
070c69 No.16102504
>>16102498
Because it's an actually good mecha game from the west so the burgerboos in Japan ate it up.
b72bb8 No.16102505
>>16102299
>Journos get sneak previews to promote game
>Game get exposure and more sales
>Journos sell more magasines since they get exclusive access to content
>Journos then protects the devs/Publisher
>If it is satisfactory then they get more exclusive content
This circle has happened since the dawn of video games. Just replace Journo with E-celeb/Streamer. Streamers has more trust in them as many viewers think they are just like them, a gamer. It is only a matter of time until streamers gets regarded as soulless shills just like journos of today.
f92152 No.16102507
>>16102504
>burgerboos in japan ate it up
sauce. It had shit sales, I doubt japan had more than anywhere else.
070c69 No.16102511
f6657b No.16102521
>>16102498
The Titans have a mind of their own and can talk, they form a friendship with their pilots.
The main mech in Titanfall 2 seems to be suffering from slight psychological trauma from his former pilot dying, at one point a bunch of explosions are going off and he uses his body to shield you while saying "I will not lose another pilot".
e20907 No.16102522
>>16102492
That's what I figured. The popular streamers that make money are paid shills. Time for #streamgate. Guess if you say anything positive about any modern video game or product on any place then you are a paid shill. This is how paranoid I have to be now.
070c69 No.16102525
>>16102522
>he's still going
Don't you have some Apex Legends lootboxes to buy?
a8577c No.16102544
>>16102521
>spoiler.
poor little robot
e20907 No.16102555
>>16102525
Fuck that game. I am not shilling for any EA garbage. There is a conversation to be had about influencers hiding the fact that they are paid actors pretending to be your friend online to manipulate lonely kids into buying their promoting shit. It makes me paranoid about which sources to trust to the point that it's simply pointless. It is more convenient to trust no one and pirate everything for yourself.
f6657b No.16102567
>>16102420
The community has been coping, mostly they're hopeful that maybe EA will let them make TF3 from all the Apex money.
The reddit board used terrible memes as a method to cope.
8e004e No.16102577
Good. Let the manchildren and literal children sheeple play their shit Call of Battlefield shooter games and have them pay at every opportunity so they can feel good about spending money.
671189 No.16102581
>>16102522
At least you admit it, unlike half the people here I feel the exact same way.
97b0e8 No.16102592
>>16102477
>My question is when will your IRL neighbors become actors groomed by big corporate government to make you vote what they want you to vote for?
Already a thing. webm related.
Just replace Jones's with Jewtubers and all the golf clubs with pozz and you get a pretty clear picture of what (((they))) have been floating around as an idea for years.
I think this movie made them mad, they retconned it like 3 times with spin offs and carpet bombed the critic score.
It is a shitty rom-com flick, but gives a very strong red-pill on (((marketing))).
c958c9 No.16102603
>>16102420
Some people have to learn the hard way.
At least now you can understand why people genuinely hate these big AAA publishers.
Voting with your wallet is a meme, only tactic that consistently works is guilt by association/bullying.
>"Oh you play EA games, lol faggot"
etc.
0942ac No.16102641
>>16102299
Thank you mister marketer. Now stop shitting up our board.
0942ac No.16102645
>>16102420
>AAA multiplayer trash
>fandom
e20907 No.16102685
>>16102581
It really is more convenient to pirate a game and try it out yourself because marketing has corrupted word of mouth. Even here on 8chan there are viral marketing shills that want to make datamining threads. It's gotten so bad that sometimes it's hard to separate genuine praise from shill posting. The only genuine topics to discuss is hard criticism of games. And hey that's why I come here.
Journos are nuking comment sections. YouTube is censoring comments and dislikes. Epic Games has a shitty review section that no player who bought the game can leave feedback on. When all positive feedback is shilling while negative feedback is censored then you can bet the conversation here will be negative sided. This is literally the last place players have to vent their frustrations with video games and the industry as a whole.
I criticise Nintendo all the time here and I'm still here somehow.
97b0e8 No.16102688
>>16102522
>That's what I figured. The popular streamers that make money are paid shills. Time for #streamgate.
This is exactly what i was thinking. I was going to include it in the OP but I couldn't find a place to write it down without messing with the flow.
Their is going to need to be a leak that completely exposes Youtubers and Streamers in the future.
It's going to be much harder though, unlike journo's they usually have control over there communities.
e.g twitch has good goy subscriber chat + mods, and youtube gives youtuber's the ability to delete comments.
I don't know what they equivalent of the Zoey Quinn leaks will be, but it will have to be big and probably won't happen in our life times.
The Quinn leaks happened because Game journo's were a small tight nit group of faggots. E-influencers are to large and varied to be taken down at once like that.
Things in the industry will need to homogenize, with "problematic" streamers and tubers getting pushed out, before any real damage can be done to them by the infamous gamer gaytors.
cb599f No.16102756
>>16102688
Hitler dubs of truth
070c69 No.16102771
>>16102756
>a quarter of let's players with over 5k subs
It's certainly a lot more than that. The 25% are just the ones retarded enough to admit to it.
5a4c37 No.16102776
>>16102756
>Journalists screeching about ethics when they're not the one's getting the slice of the pie anymore
My sides have ascended to the ethereal plane.
b8ccb6 No.16102785
4chan used to be a place to hear honest word of mouth and now it has an entire board devoted to revolving ad threads and I haven't seen any actual game I would want to play mentioned on /v/ in probably 5 or more years. Here isn't as bad but there is still the obvious Neptunia/Xseed type obvious spam.
As to OP; marketers have always been about scamming people, and that includes their own employers. They really mostly have no idea what the fuck they are doing and make up the vast majority of statistics.
32d4b2 No.16102870
>>16102474
History became legend, legend became myth and before long it was all forgotten.
070c69 No.16102893
>imagine typing up that much just to get autofiltered because you're a TORposter
c97fc8 No.16102991
I don't deny the marketing is clever even if I'm 100% sure all the player numbers are inflated bullshit but I had hoped they'd actually direct some of that cleverness into the gameplay rather than it being just another BR but a polished one for MATURRRR audiences.
0942ac No.16103000
>>16102893
He always posts the same thing just worded a little differently anyway.
>>16102991
>I had hoped they'd actually direct some of that cleverness into the gameplay
Why would they do that when shit taste niggers will play it either way?
c97fc8 No.16103006
>>16103000
Because shit taste niggers might develop slightly better taste if what all the streamers and marketers are shilling for is something sort of well made.
2ca9dd No.16103091
>>16103006
But why would they do that if the "shit taste niggers" developing better tastes means that those niggers might not buy their product anymore?
fb9f9d No.16103111
>>16103091
They won't care, there are an infinite number of children being born that will be susceptible to advertising.
32d4b2 No.16103126
>>16103111
After spending the last decade or so body slamming the standard of quality in whatever games they got their hands on I see no reason why they would bother to try and raise it again.
For one, they don't have the interest, nor the talent to do it even if they did. Even assuming they had both, they would risk failing their own standards later down the line which would mean loss of profits.
Besides, the last two years have given enough examples of failed advertisement for even the suited faggots to feel it.
05f1d7 No.16103317
>>16102756
>the established game press has gotten itself into a tizzy about the ethics of game journalism
>ethics of game journalism
Wait a minute, I remember what that means. When will the game press apologise for the blatant misogyny and attacks on women youtubers that they are obviously committing?!
606485 No.16103322
marketing hasn't changed
the people these kinds of games are made for are the lowest common denominator
fd3cf1 No.16103329
>>16102420
>>titanfall 2 is a 10/10 game with the best campaign in years
Not a single post on 8ch will ever be more retarded than this.
60290e No.16103495
>>16102299
All this crap when yesterday EA just paid a million social influencers and reviewers to shill for Apex Legends.
Including here.
d0b8f1 No.16104069
>>16103317
That's a really good one. Everyone really should use this narrative against them whenever "game journalists" are seen complaining about streamers.
e20907 No.16104158
>>16103322
Marketing used to be honest about being obvious marketers. I learned in marketing classes that this is the best approach to marketing due to the honest you bring to the customer you're trying to sell too. However marketing has become more deceptive and predatory. Marketers learned in the 80's that if they can sell to the impressionable youth then they will have loyal customers for life.
Modern youth do not watch TV. They watch YouTube and live streams going to see their genuine honest content creator shitpost. Lately there's a trend of content creators that call their viewers friends rather than fans. The content creators that call their viewers friends are clickbaiting boobtubers paid by media to advertise and get ahead in the algorithms to stay on top. To a tween that wants to make friends for social capital they befriend these content creators by subscribing and buying their merch. Content creators that call subscribers friends don't care about entertaining you. They care about money. And if you want to be popular on YouTube and Twitch then you have to make the site views as well as be advertiser friendly. Gone are the days of viral video and word of mouth. It's about gaming the algorithm.
You don't post videos on YouTube to say what you want. Everything offends someone and it'll get you banned. Instead you only post videos on YouTube now to game the system and make money. Most of the rising YouTube stars are tame advertiser friendly channels with the exception of videos getting shared on chans before they're deleted. And the worst part is that these rising stars are not genuine individuals that are here to post vlogs about their life. They are groomed actors raised to be influencers disguised as people wanting to be your friend.
Ten years from now we will start seeing friendship services for those unable to make friends naturally due to everything being online. The algorithm will dictate which actors you will connect with based on your personal data. Whether these will be human or AI, I can't say. I can say these mega popular best friends in the app will be the Jones's in the trainer anon posted. People living the American dream because they are paid to sell it to you.
a667cf No.16104278
>>16102299
>What this does is essentially give streamers the power of, critic, salesman, and gatekeeper all in one.
Wrong. If you think the bigger streamers will not make it fun for the big bucks you are nuts. All this does it make yesterdays corrupt sjw and replaces them with regular corrupt streamers who at the start will seem much more ethical and disclose some stuff. The shitty AAA regains the payoff cycle. The only to fix all this is to spread the culture of no preorders and no politics.
379502 No.16104380
The future is all about the (((influencers))). They are all over social media and streams, often not even disclosing they were essentially paid for to promote a product. At least with streams you can mute the audio and just watch the gameplay to get a somewhat realistic idea of what a game is like (at least at that time before the game is patched 5436345 times). Not that you should actually watch any of those shills, but if you had to it would be better than a straight advertisement from the devs/pubs themselves or at something like E3, which is guaranteed to be nothing but lies.
b49314 No.16104501
>>16102522
>>16102688
He's a cunt, but a youtuber named zharic zhakaron has a youtube video about this.For youtube anyhow, they're called "paid influencers", and he cites some bethesda games youtubers, like oxhorn, who essentially always defend the brand, not just because they're fans, but because their livelihood depends on bethesdas success now, as well as the special advantages afforded to them for making bethesda look good and praising them.
a25ca7 No.16104570
>>>/v/16104565
But anon, you are niggerpill. Now go kill yourself so you can stop shitting up the board.
638f1e No.16104571
>>16104547
>>16104565
Fuck off blackpillnigger.
e9acf1 No.16104573
>>16104158
>Ten years from now we will start seeing friendship services for those unable to make friends naturally due to everything being online.
They already have services like this in Japan. You can even pay people to pretend that they are your family.
638f1e No.16104585
>>16104583
Take the hint and piss off already faggot.
a25ca7 No.16104586
>>>/v/16104583
>zoomer
You dumb faggots just can't help yourselves, can you?
>>>/4um/
e20907 No.16104651
>>16104573
And I wonder when that'll expand into the western market before it's outlawed.
>16104565
(you) gave me another opportunity to post this shit. Thanks.
d48cdb No.16104749
>>16104740
so have people realized that the todd meme is deep ironic post ironic shilling?
>"haha buy skyrim lele"
isnt fun and never was
2b2e0b No.16104785
>>16104749
toddposting's intention was never that. it's literally used to call out shills
b89e21 No.16104820
>>16102299 (checked)
So it is an upgraded form of astroturfing and it "seems" like normalfags will buy that shit. But I doubt people will get duped so easily after the fiasco that was the culture war, so I surmise that some will wizen the fuck up and call this bullshit out soon.
>>16104731
It is called astroturfing. And this thing is old, those cunts who cannot think up of another creative new scam just open the ye olde book knowing that 12yos and normalfags will not know it.
d48cdb No.16104837
>>16104785
are you sure? im not sure most people got that memp
c9a423 No.16104854
>>16102420
Respawn making the new fortnite was supposed to make you realize how fucking retarded it is to shill Titanfall, not double down on it.
5d7554 No.16104871
>>16102420
If it means anything, I'm sort of glad Titanfall 3 wouldn't happen because most of the devs left Respawn after they got bought out by EA.
But I'll never understand the rationale of Respawn going to EA in the first place when they could've easily gone to anyone else.
a8edd5 No.16105412
>>16104871
I see no reason to go to anyone. You re just tasking to been robbed.
a8edd5 No.16105422
>>16102420
Nobody stopping you from making your own Titanfall 3 (well minus name) like nobody stopping countless developers of making all these BR clones.
e20907 No.16105428
>>16104820
It's sad we're grooming children from birth to be astroturfing viral marketing now.
d42765 No.16105462
>>16102420
Titanfall 2 would of done better if it wasn't locked into shitty companies to get it. I am the target market for that game and I didn't touch it until I got bought it on the ps4. Why didn't I touch it? store front apps can fuck off.
This game looks pozzed to shit which keeps me away, but it other wise looks reasonably fun.
d42765 No.16105469
>>16105422
Yo bro, just get 50 million dollars and make your own game. What are you a poor fag?
The best that could possibly happen is someone runs a kickstarter scam promising a Titanfall spiritual successor that never gets made.
d976c6 No.16105470
>Apex is popular because word of mouth
The rest of your post is right, but it definitely did not get any natural buzz. EA has been running a nonstop ad blitz about it all weekend, it wouldn't surprise me if the marketing budget was roughly on par with other big releases. This was clearly a well-planned and organized release.
It's also worth noting that this only works for a FtP game. The entire hook is "check out this new game that big name streamers are playing, and it's FREE. just download now to join in the fun :^)" People don't tend to drop $60 on that kind of whim, and I think advertising a major release is still going to be the more successful approach for full price games.
10b688 No.16105493
>>16105470
Doesn't matter either way, Apex is the next Fortnite and crashfags are BTFO for life. All we can do is watch the decline as everything good ib the world dies.
f4b2f5 No.16105575
I don't really think this is new. Skyrim, Minecraft, and League of Legends all did the same thing. Out of no where, pushed by streamers, shilled more on places like reddit than journalism sites. It wasn't until they caught on that the traditional media started talking about them.
This type of side stepping of game media has been happening for a while. I even think it has to do with why game "journalists" have been so hostile lately. They know they are going to be made obsolete in due time so they're trying to focus on issues that streamers won't cover, like social justice poz.
ef9c14 No.16105581
>>16102299
>Zero trailers or journalist coverage before hand
wrong
0fc13c No.16105644
>>16102688
> E-influencers are to large and varied to be taken down at once like that.
It's not about taking them all down to the last one.
it's about hitting the "big" ones even the Quinn leaks didn't destroy games journalism it was their reaction their censorship in trying to shut it down they made it bigger and by calling everyone who talked about it a bigot they pissed people off to the point where people wanted to see them burn.
Same process happens to an extent in E-celeb faggotry some stupid shit happens there's some drama but noboddy really cares unless one of the retards involved tries to censor it by DMCA's or calls anyone on any side of it a bigot.
See Ghostbusters 2016 or Battlefield 5 it's the combination of factors that really kills things. so the real variable is whether or not Game Journo's will join in on "Exposing them" to keep their own jobs which will cause the inverse effect and make people defend them or call the attacks bigoted which inversely will only encourage people.
1a40c4 No.16105664
>>16102448
>It isn't economics, it's the cultural zeitgeist
That's the same fucking thing. If it makes money, it makes money, and that is always going to be the number one motivation for literally everyone. If you think they're appealing to normalfags and SJWs for ANY OTHER REASON than because it maximizes profit right now, you're delusional. I know you want to believe that the industry is failing because they're abandoning the "old guard" gamers (which, let's be fucking real: you're not even a part of unless you are over 50), but the fact of the matter is they're doing what works. It's not shilling, it's not virtue signaling, it's not the Jewish conspiracy or whatever bullshit; it's MONEY, end of story.
0fc13c No.16105699
>>16103111
> infinite number of children being born
>when fertility rates all over are going down
it's actually more important now then ever to keep the older people with shit taste buying
727f69 No.16105749
>>16105575
Not really, they've been doing that for years before GamerGate ever happened. The hostility didn't escalate slowly enough for people not to notice, now they have dropped any pretense of subtlety.
d4d215 No.16105855
>>16102420
>titanfall 2 is a 10/10 game with the best campaign in years and the fastest multiplayer mode since Tribes
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
2f03c8 No.16105873
>>16102420
titanfall 2 sucked compared to the first
>no mech customization
>half-assed ASSFAGGOTS setup where every titan is a "hero" with a different ultimate etc
>predictable single-player
>nerfing the grappling hook almost immediately after launch because no fun allowed shitters couldn't learn to get good with it
>intentionally released at a tremendously bad time by EA to kill the game
>p2w DLC weaponry
b18658 No.16105974
>>16103111
Trips of truth. Children are still suckered onto EA and will continue to give the kikes money forever. This will cobtinue for an infinite amount of times, and there's nothing we can do about it. (((They))) are immortalized.
91b4ab No.16106026
>be Ninja
>play fortnite daily for hours
>going crazy because your 9 year olds demand you play fortnite
>New unannounced BR comes out
>Ninja is fucking happy he doesn't have to play 50 fortnite games a day.
>Finally can leave fortnite behind for a month or 2
>His core users gets upset he doesn't play fortnite anymore
>losing viewers
>Ninja gets tired of apex and ea crap
>Ninja moves on to Fortnite again.
This happened with overwatch it will happen with apex.
There has never been a game that took the crown from the original look at dota, hots, all the card games, MMO's, etc…
Especially a game that has nothing going for itself.
7b1be8 No.16106037
>>16102299
It's still better than the drumroll that lasts for months before release. When there is advertisement for something, I want the product to actually be available.
97b0e8 No.16106195
>>16105873
>no mech customization
wrong.
>half-assed ASSFAGGOTS setup where every titan is a "hero" with a different ultimate etc
1. Core abilities were in the first game. 2. The class system restricting weapons is pretty retarded though.
>predictable single-player
That's like saying Pacific Rim was bad because it was "predictable". Thanks for letting everyone know you're a hipster with shit taste.
>nerfing the grappling hook almost immediately after launch because no fun allowed shitters couldn't learn to get good with it
It's still good and the most played loadout.
>intentionally released at a tremendously bad time by EA to kill the game
circumstances of the launch don't relate to the game itself.
>p2w DLC weaponry
wrong.
If you had played the first game you would know that it had a retarded "burn card" system where each player would randomly draw cards that would completely break any sense of balance.
For example you get get a card were you would get a titan at the start of the match.
The only thing i can agree with is how poorly they handled the class system in Titanfall 2.
In the original game their were three classes that related to the size of the titans.
Ogre class being big tankers, Strider being a light weight mech, and Atlas being a meduim sized mech.
The classes in Titanfall 2 weren't really classes in the Overwatch sense but were handled more like subclasses of the original three.
The Ogre class originally had three subclasses:
Scorch, Legion, and Ramm/Bison. (Bison was cut from the game's developement and was originally supposed to be a heavy brawler.)
The Atlas class currently has three subclasses as well.
Ion, Tone, and Monarch.
Then we have the Strider subclasses:
Ronin, Northstar, and the supposed third Strider class. Most people speculate this is "Archon"
What I would have liked to see is groups of subclasses more clearly organized by weight class.
I'd also want many more options when in comes to the weaponry of the titans, having certain weapons shared across weight classes or multiple weapons for certain classes.
For example Scorch could have his projectile launcher, a big ass flame thrower, and a molten tar spitting gun. Then players could mix up the weapons they played with.
437531 No.16106199
>>16106195
Are you implying Pacific Rim wasn't bad?
4a467e No.16106208
Reminder that boycotts only work if you and a mass of people actively use a service then a mass of people refuse to use it. Be honest, how many hours a month do you spend watching twitch streamers with >5000 subscribers or Youtube with more than 1 million subs. If you answer with less than 15 don't even fucking think that what your doing is a "boycott"
6fdf6a No.16106243
So corporations are seizing information and propaganda spread in a totalitarian way by controlling opinion completelly so they dont lose money on their shit games?
Well done, Stalin would share a tear of respect, kek.
97b0e8 No.16106254
>>16106199
It's more about how self aware both are.
Titanfall 2's campaign knows that you are playing as a self insert dude with a giant robot chasing after a doomsday weapon mcguffin.
It's self-aware but doesn't waste time trying to correct itself with preachy bullshit justifications of whats going on in the game.
Instead of wasting your time with bullshit nonsense it gets strait into the action with very creative level design and a genuine fellowship between BT and cooper gets formed in the process.
I guess Pacific Rim is actually worse than i thought thinking back on it. Considering it had a long ass 30min exposition dump intro, and dumb "wacky ayylien science" bullshit.
But it had fun with the giant robot battle scenes. Which is all that really mattered.
c07cf2 No.16106262
>>16104501
God I fucking hate Zharic as a person and tastes but I still watch his videos because he at least has some semblance of understanding and objectivity.
d4d215 No.16106274
>>16106208
Not a single one
Twitch much like JustinTV after 2010 is only good for speedruns by autists with low subs and everything I watch on Youtube is stuff pre ad cuckening filled with edgy shit that can't be monetized in any way or extremely obscure shit.
Unfortunately the internet is filled with retards and sharks exploiting them in a way much similar to corporate TV.
75a05f No.16108385
>>16104837
No, you're just an ignoramus.
>>16105428
I think it's better to do this than to rape them from the outset of their lives. Of course, that's probably happening to these kids too.
7bf771 No.16108548
>>16105855
He's right though
d0b8f1 No.16108636
>>16104651
>I wonder when that'll expand into the western market before it's outlawed.
Why would it be outlawed? Seems exactly like the sort of thing that's in (((their))) best interests. Especially if it can be turned into a taxable business.
>>16105855
>>16105873
>>16106195
>>16106254
It never clicked with me why /v/ likes so much the Titanfall 2 sp campaign. I, too, found it extremely mediocre, generic and forgettable. It wasn't horrible, just mediocre. If there's one good thing to say about the campaign would be that at least it's not pozzed, at least I don't remember or noticed anything of the sort.
Still, for a board that boasts so much about having higher standards and hating on modern gaming, the love for a campaign that had most if not all tropes from 7th / 8th gen dudebro shooters, sure is weird.
I thought maybe nowadays a more honest discussion about it could be had, because soon after the game came out and I've played it, when discussing the campaign on /v/ back then I was under the impression I was arguing with paid shills, but nowadays I see they were probably doing it for free. It's one of these things I'll never understand.
>muh self-awareness
Know how ironic shitposting is still shitposting? Same principle applies. Being self-aware doesn't make it good. FC3 Blood Dragon's intro tutorial level was still terrible, even if the game kept joking about it and making fun of it.
1037bb No.16108645
>>16108540
Gas yourself blackpillfag. Kikes will fall by their own hubris. Nothing in this world is infinite, and the kikes are too busy getting hard over the shekels to notice their stack of gold crumbling down and when it goes down they will die with their beloved gold collapsing on them.
b0dde1 No.16108697
I don't see it as a total loss for the consumers, only retards buy games at launch and suffer from potentially throwing money at a game that turns out shit.
Whilst streamers are easily influenced by dangling some money in front of them and are willing to be a bit less critical so that they in the future continue to get special early access, they're harder to influence this way than journalists. People writing for a company are beholden to their employers which have the final say, streamers market their personality and face more than most journalists who mostly blend into the publisher they write for, which puts a larger focus on said streamers to keep up an image of being fair and trustworthy when it comes to reviewing new games.
Lastly if game companies realize how much they can save on marketing we're either going to see more games come out (spread out the money to multiple projects) or a higher budget for the individual game(s), potentially increasing their quality. I'm sceptical towards the latter, I feel like companies would rather make a bunch of mediocre games and hope something sticks and a large budget doesn't mean the game will be better since most devs, especially in the AAA scene, are incompetent cucks.
0942ac No.16108757
>>16108636
>It never clicked with me why /v/ likes so much the Titanfall 2 sp campaign.
Don't conflate shills with /v/
484b26 No.16108879
>>16108636
>It never clicked with me why /v/ likes so much the Titanfall 2 sp campaign.
Same thing, played on the highest difficulty. It was go fast or die without much variety in gun play and boss battles were underwhelming they were just titan vs titan battles.
Those fags didn't read like they played quake or any other old fps.
634253 No.16108891
>>16108636
>It never clicked with me why /v/ likes so much the Titanfall 2 sp campaign
It was largely elevated by the base gameplay and a gimmick being introduced and expounded open each level, like how the factory level is one giant toybox for the parkour system to shine by also giving you routes which can branch before converging much like a classic Sonic the Hedgehog level, and the time travel level about flipping between timelines was very well realized
There's always something new, basically. And BT is a bro
d0b8f1 No.16109256
>>16108757
But /v/ shills Titanfall 2 in general. For free.
>>16108891
>a gimmick being introduced and expounded open each level
You say that as if it's a good thing. If at least the gimmicks were original or done better than other games, but they weren't.
Titanfall 2 wasn't the first game to have parkour mechanics - OG Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia have it, and did it better - and it wasn't the first fps to have platforming segments, routes, nor did it better than older games, either. Time travel / time manipulation was much more interesting in games such as Timesplitters, Timeshift and Singularity, in all of them it felt less gimmicky than in Titanfall 2.
>It was largely elevated by the base gameplay
Which wasn't very good or appropriate for a single player campaign, though I suppose that could have been addressed with better level design and enemy placement.
You see, I know that's a subjective thing and perhaps it's just me, but one of the problems I had with the campaign, is that lots of times it gave me the feeling I was playing a multiplayer map with bots rather than a proper single player campaign. Maybe because the gameplay is often as >>16108879 said, go fast or die. I suppose BR kids enjoyed it.
437531 No.16109290
>>16109256
>how dare games have gimmicks/mechanics if someone did them better
>going fast makes it feel like multiplayer
You sound like someone who stares hard at the individual parts but refuses to step back and look at how they fit together as a whole
d0b8f1 No.16109340
>>16109290
>look at how they fit together as a whole
They fit together as a mishmash of gimmicks in a single player campaign thrown atop a multiplayer engine.
Even if that wasn't case, Titanfall 2 shills shouldn't be talking about it as if it's something new or original, then. At best, it's overrated. Funny how this game's shills turn all defensive whenever someone disagrees that it's not the best single player fps ever, I experienced this when I first discussed it on /v/, too.
634253 No.16109352
>>16109256
>Titanfall 2 wasn't the first game to have parkour mechanics - OG Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia have it, and did it better - and it wasn't the first fps to have platforming segments, routes, nor did it better than older games, either. Time travel / time manipulation was much more interesting in games such as Timesplitters, Timeshift and Singularity, in all of them it felt less gimmicky than in Titanfall 2.
Other games shared the same concept, but the implementation couldn't differ more. Don't say something is bad by vaguely mentioning other games and saying they did it better
> the feeling I was playing a multiplayer map with bots
Because most enemies aren't very mobile
b84285 No.16109678
>>16104501
I remember when oxhorn just made WoW machinimas literally with in-game footage with voice added in post
817789 No.16110013
>>16102299
>10,000,000 players in less than a month
*25,000,000 players
*in less than a week
f92152 No.16110025
>>16110013
truly there is no hope for man.
0d7dfc No.16110260
>>16102756
>>16102688
>>16102522
>>16102492
why the hell would you spend money on press and text only reviews that really dont provide anyone any idea about your game (whens the last review you read that actually fucking gives info about how the game is) from people that play games worse than DSP (that painful video of the cuphead tutorial) when you can pay some random asshole who actually plays games to display your game and actually show potential customers, and potential customers arent morons theyll smell out bullshit propaganda like oxhorn
85010e No.16110282
>>16110264
Nice post cuckcuck. I bet you're a mutt too, chaim. Go on back to counting shekels since you're obviously a shareblue shill.
You're hardly even a person, you're just memes running a fleshy puppet.
365aa6 No.16112146
>>16110282
He's right. Apex is on track to becoming the one of the biggest games in the world. See >>16110013. BR will be the ony game genre to ever exist soon, like it or not.
26b3d9 No.16112217
>>16110013
I smell a marketing ploy disguised as word-of-mouth.
60837e No.16112231
For what it's worth Jeff Gerstmann regularly complains about this, about every podcast he mentions how all gaming PR events have separate doors for actual journalists and influencers. If you thought the nepotism with journalists were bad, it's way, way, way worse with people who are explicitly independent contractors looking to get hired by the companies they shower with attention.
60837e No.16112251
>>16112221
The game came out February 4th, reserve judgement until May 4th since that's the main "release window" aka the maximum length (three months) of a single campaign season. Figure Fortnite itself had a completely forgettable launch in 2011, the battle royale mode was a last ditch attempt at making it somewhat more popular and it exploded five years after it's original release.
e20907 No.16112394
>>16108385
Yeah those kids are physically raped by kikes. Gotta make sure they stay gay to advertise to the homosexual market.
>>16108636
It's still legal prostitution. And a lot of lawmakers would want it banned on that principal. That and the same lawmakers want to keep prostitution underground to always have some dirt on their peers to keep them in line. Similar to the drug trade. Share the dealers some dough and a bit of candy to get them addicted. Then one they're addicted they are in your control. They will do jobs for less money but the same dosage of drug instead. Then if they demand more drug while fucking up you business then you set them up to be the fall guy for your operation. Just make sure they are always found dead. Child traffickers are no different. Why do you think child sex robots were banned with the Creeper Act?
209344 No.16112433
The worst part of it all is that when word of mouth becomes the most effective marketing this amplifies how much "ANY publicity is good publicity!" works in your favor, since this kind of publicity almost exclusively spreads through word of mouth and is pretty much the cheapest you can get. Publishers create problems and controversies ON PURPOSE just so that people talk about it. Anthem is the perfect example, their demo was so messy that all of Youtube talked about it. And this sort of shit happens all the time lately.
634253 No.16112593
>>16112433
>The worst part of it all is that when word of mouth becomes the most effective marketing this amplifies how much "ANY publicity is good publicity!" works in your favor
we're all Shills of the EA now
209344 No.16112663
>>16112593
Worse. We are UNPAID shills.
b08acb No.16112679
>>16102299
Yeah, it's very interesting if anything.
35edb1 No.16112739
>>16102555
Don't have an existential crisis you faggot, this is how all products work. Can you trust anyone about how good a movie or book is? How good a television is? How reliable a gun is from online reviews? No. You do not attain actual knowledge by trusting one source. At best you've gotten lucky until that source sells out or becomes pozzed and you've made yourself vulnerable by ignoring that possibility. A true picture of what regular non-marketing people really think about something is only attained through time and research from many sources and forming a broad overview based on who agrees on what. This is the way it's always been because the incentive to sell shitty product will never go away.
6a058a No.16113699
>>16113661
I was interested but I heard no mechs so fuck that.
2b600e No.16114340
If this is news to you then you are a casual gamer and you don't matter.
If you don't like apex then you are probably bad at the game.
I've been playing cod2, cod4, cs1.6, css, csgo.
I understand that most people here are casual console players or casual pc players whose closest thing to competitive games has been overwatch or rainbow siege or even csgo.
These 3 games are infamous for their matchmaking, they allow the players who are terrible at the game to get games with other people who are terrible and get a few wins regardless.
There isn't a better game than apex out right now where your reaction speed, accuracy and quick thinking actually matters. The game is good, because it's polished and well designed. You guys are either bad, bad losers or just contrarians.
aa6ed0 No.16114811
>>16102299
Maybe the marketing is different, but it's extremely easy on the eyes and allows individual response with its long time to kill. When I was watching somebody play with the Wingman pistol, it plays very nearly like original Halo with legit improvements. I think they may have captured the old lightning like this, but I don't know how long it will last given its repetitiveness.
I can't imagine EA retained the staff to remake weapons and shit heroes, like mobas require, so my guess is they'll kill the game on first balance patch by nerfing the numbers on strong weapons and hero skills.
91b4ab No.16115100
>>16112593
>we're all Shills of the EA now
Only if you play EA games.
Seeing Blizzard dying was great, Kinda shitty that Apex became popular and EA rising again.
EA has the sports fags though so it would never go broke sadly.
9281eb No.16115334
>>16114340
>There isn't a better game than apex out right now where your reaction speed, accuracy and quick thinking actually matters.
free*
>>16114340
>If you don't like apex then you are probably bad at the game.
This is communist tier writing and if you are from around here and got carried away by emotion make sure to never write like that again
I have no obligation to like anything no matter if it's good or bad
It might be the best free battle royal out there I have no problem saying that and the rest of you niggers would be wise to recognize that I am saying it's the best BR out there not the best game out there before you come shouting at me, but it killed Titanfall 3 for the time being and 2 was fun .It's good in the terms of forcing other companies out of their monopolies and now they will either compete to make better products or more likely all get bought by Tencent and fake that they are competing,I wonder what will be Tencent's next move
Battleground's seem to be dead because the devs fucked up and outright stopped developing it,Ring of Elysium just lost it's ace up the sleeve of being a somewhat well made free battle royal that isn't Fortnite and Epic just got a competitor that might win on the fact alone that it isn't know for housing all people below the age of 15 and building.If EA want's their game to live a little longer they have to add options to stay with your squad for the next game or add them as friends after a match
If someone has info what's Tencent's buying power and if they can outright buy EA?
"We" might not like it but in the genre of BR right now EA is the only opposition to Tencent,Which basically means that Jews fight the Chinks or at least pretend like it
379502 No.16115350
>EA BR game
>good
>If you don't like it you're just bad
Not even worth a (you), go shill your cancer somewhere else you insufferable cunt.
c5bfa5 No.16115354
>>16114340
>call of duty and CS
>the competitive FPS games with the lowest skill ceilings
85987c No.16115543
Then why hasn't Synthwave/NewRetroWave become mainstream yet?
Thousands of YouTube videos, resurgence of 80's music, but it's still kind of underground and most normalfag NPCs don't know about it.
cd13c9 No.16116081
>>16115100
>Apex became popular and EA rising again.
>EA has the sports fags though so it would never go broke sadly.
EA is fucking immortal, it has an infinite supply of money its way. They won and we lost sadly.
000000 No.16123569
>>16112433
>The worst part of it all is that when word of mouth becomes the most effective marketing this amplifies how much "ANY publicity is good publicity!" works in your favor, since this kind of publicity almost exclusively spreads through word of mouth and is pretty much the cheapest you can get. Publishers create problems and controversies ON PURPOSE just so that people talk about it. Anthem is the perfect example, their demo was so messy that all of Youtube talked about it. And this sort of shit happens all the time lately.
Not really. Mass Effect: Andromeda had amazing word of mouth but all the nonstop jokes and ridicule just destroyed sales. Even the journos felt compelled to give it lower review scores lest they become a laughing stock. Everyone who knew about Lawbreakers also knew not to touch it. Lawbreakers was a very well-known game that sold like absolute shit. "Any publicity is good publicity" is just not true.
In fact the entire problem AAA developers are facing is that "they'll buy what we see fit to give them" is starting to fail as a business model. Marketing is losing their hold.
18f74a No.16136685
>>16123569
Marketing can't hide a crappy product forever. koff Bose koff
af35ca No.16136851
>>16102420
Titanfall was never good. It was just a failed attempt to be the killer app that would have made the Xbox Done relevant.
c4db63 No.16139232