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File: 6ab86872ff66a96⋯.jpg (369.71 KB, 1286x854, 643:427, dungeon_rl.jpg)

b38f11  No.16095348

Anyone have a good dungeon crawler to recommend? For the DS, 3DS, PSP or Vita. I've played Class of Heroes 1 and 2, and The Dark Spire, but these have many flaws. Now playing Etrian Odyssey and I'm yet undecided on it. I mean, the formula is so fucking good, but no dev appears to be able to really nail the execution. Do you agree? If not, which game has impressed you?

33ab2d  No.16095395

play Persona 1 for the PSP


cffbf3  No.16095398

Kings Field. the entire series.


33ab2d  No.16095402

also if you want a top down crawler instead of the typical 1st person try 7th dragon series


34d8f2  No.16095411

>>16095398

how to get gud at kingsfield?

and whats best emulator for it, it seems wonky sometimes


cffbf3  No.16095421

>>16095411

try retroarch. Kings Field 2 JP (KF1 in the west) might give you some speed issues, but that happens in every emulator with that game.


34d8f2  No.16095440

>>16095421

Yeah I noticed it slows down. I've messed around with it but never got to far in it. I should sit down and really go balls deep.


82a440  No.16095550

File: ed893d649f162cb⋯.jpg (65.11 KB, 468x351, 4:3, dark spire.jpg)

File: a7a4aa9d5f68d29⋯.jpg (236.81 KB, 1600x907, 1600:907, elminage gothic.jpg)

File: fb5ede5120ef07a⋯.jpg (106.04 KB, 256x192, 4:3, etrian odyssey 1.jpg)

File: f7d77546de35ae1⋯.jpg (146 KB, 550x825, 2:3, orcs and elves.jpg)

File: 203df2c7690f88a⋯.png (746.05 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, vaporum.png)

>>16095348

The Dark Spire is great. Flawed, but great. The music is top notch but only a handful of fights use the boss theme which is a crying shame. The story was pretty much a Wizardry tier excuse plot but that's okay. Sometimes the quest could be pretty damn obtuse and unintuitive. For example, the things you need to do at the North-west corner on the 4th floor or getting the post-game ending among others. The humor was great. I loved the PTSD ridden trainer. The difficulty really spikes when most enemies start using breath attacks. No matter how good your party becomes, if a group of dragon ambushes you it's instant game over. Trying to get good gear is pretty much a grind but not an absolute necessity. I really liked it for what it was.

I beat Etrian Odyssey 1 and 2 but haven't played the rest of the series. I honestly found them underwhelming. They're easy games trying to masquerade as hard games for hardcore old school gamers. Much like the Souls series. Sure, it's difficult at the very beginning because your party consists of 5 guys, practically naked, armed with sticks without any skills or passives but once you get a dozen level ups it becomes pretty easy. The only time the difficulty of those games spiked again was for the post game and it was handled pretty poorly in both cases. Post game bosses need very specific setups to beat instead of just being difficult. Also, the grind for completition feels like a complete chore in them.

If you want to play a short 1-man party turn based Dungeon Crawler I suggest Orcs and Elves for the NDS.

If you want to play Wizardry clones there's Elminage. Or any Starfish dungeon crawler. They allow you to really wreck the game with invincible parties if you work a summoner in your ranks.

Grimoire's also pretty interesting but familiarizing yourself with the system and forming a decent party might take you a few tries. The manual is out now but it's still sort of incomplete. The wiki is pretty good though.

The PS2 Wizardry has a really nice atmosphere and story but has a glaring pacing issue. Combat and movements are awfully slow. Like really, really slow. Unskippable long animations for every attack, for every transition and spells do not mix well with dungeon crawlers.

Grimrock has a nice aesthetic but the combat is a fundamentally broken and repetitive dance. It is still fun for the exploration factor. There's another game in the same vein called Vaporum. I haven't really tried it past the first 20 minutes but it seemed alright. It seemed to focus more on combat whereas Grimrock focuses more on puzzles.


2911ea  No.16095565

File: 33567bd5ffbc440⋯.jpg (63.49 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 1-pcsx2-r4600_2011-07-24_1….jpg)

The PS2 Wizardry games are highly enjoyable, even if you are new to the genre. Clever and enjoyable floor design. The graveyard is a little annoying, but not too bad since the floor area is still small.


82a440  No.16095572

File: 34b65faf9406490⋯.jpg (293.31 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, grimrock 2.jpg)

File: d0e0492f520b182⋯.jpg (447.64 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, the quest.jpg)

File: f8a51ff5ae598cf⋯.png (504.19 KB, 640x480, 4:3, wizardry ps2.png)

>>16095550

In the same vein of Orcs and Elves, there's also The Quest. It's from a russian company. It's an enhanced PC port of a mobile game (much like Orcs and Elves is an enhanced NDS port of a java phone game). It's pretty fun if you're into this kind of games. Not very replayable though.


82a440  No.16095580

>>16095565

Yeah. the way Death (the ghost) works is also pretty interesting and keeps you on your toes. The only flaw I really dislike about the game is the slow animations. Allied Actions are pretty fun too.


411950  No.16095585

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Ctrl-F "omega labyrinth"

>0/0 results

How disappointing.


2911ea  No.16095586

>>16095580

I didn't think walking was that bad but you are right, the battle animations could have used a fast or skip option. I find the game very comfy in atmsophere however so it doesn't bother me that much.


11cf3d  No.16095594

>>16095585

PC version never ever, so of course it isnt gonna be posted.


9eb22b  No.16095614

>>16095348

Any of the old school ones you've tried yet like Ultima, Wizardry, Might and Magic? Also Underworld although it's actually first person. The gold box has some dungeon crawling but it switches up between separate views.


82a440  No.16095621

File: 9d1a05e84c7ba10⋯.png (432.38 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, grimoire.png)

>>16095586

The game chugged a lot on my end. And those horde battles slowed things to a crawl before I got the AA that allowed me to end them in turn 1. You're absolutely right about the atmosphere. I haven't seen a dungeon crawler managing to do that ever since.

Etrian Odyssey tries to sell you its pitch about adventurers dying all the time which makes everyone sad but uses cutesy anime designs and very lively music so you never really take it seriously.

Some SMT games are also fun as dungeon crawlers but even if you can customize your party somewhat, combat lacks depth. The game is easily broken by stacking buffs and debuffs.


af9257  No.16095636

>>16095550

Vaporum is pretty boring. I played it, and while it has some interesting things, it's very repetitive and they make the mistake of not allowing you to make custom characters.


aa6f1a  No.16095638

>>16095585

That's because OP asked for a good dungeon crawler.

Judging by the video, gameplay is 100% braindead.

If you want some porn in your game, I can recommend Alchemy Meister which has good and difficult gameplay.


115865  No.16095648

Are Xanadu Next or Brandish The Dark Revenant dungeon crawlers?


9a9705  No.16095655

>>16095648

>Xanadu Next

Not in the same vein as a lot of the games in this thread. It's more like a regular action-adventure game with Diablo-like controls and leveling. Never played any of the Brandish games, though.


411950  No.16095679

>>16095638

It's a roguelike. That makes it difficult to take chances playing.


c1ea3d  No.16095702

if anyone wants Demise: Ascension its up on cs.rin.ru, they reuploaded the link

I can share that and Demise: The Revelation if you guys want


aa6f1a  No.16095703

>>16095679

I didn't see any chances, I only saw bumping into enemies until they die with a non-existent chance to lose against them. In Alchemy Meister you'll probably fail the tutorial if you pick hard difficulty.


dd0448  No.16095722

File: 5d19898e6dc8b0b⋯.png (223.09 KB, 800x1187, 800:1187, 114644-stonekeep-dos-front….png)


d653e2  No.16095732

>>16095702

I'll take you up on that offer. Enjoyed the game a couple years ago and have been itching to play it recently.


b38f11  No.16095751

>>16095550

The main thing that annoyed me was that I can't see where I am on the map in the DS version. Or am I missing something?

Thanks for all your suggestions, guys. So far I'm loving Etrian Odyssey BTW. The drawing your map thing is fucking genius!


82a440  No.16095807

>>16095751

I remember having a map, yes.


1604c8  No.16095917

>>16095550

>If you want to play a short 1-man party turn based Dungeon Crawler I suggest Orcs and Elves for the NDS.

I played Orcs and Elves, the game's main problem was how overbalanced everything was. At every point it was exactly planned out what you would have at your disposal, and unless you acted like a complete moron there was no way to make a mistake. It's like painting by numbers, it looks like you are playing the game, but in reality you are just doing what the designers intended you to do.


46e4e1  No.16096016

I like dungeon crawlers but disliked Etrian Odyssey since there seemed to be not much of a story. Can you recommend me a story heavy dungeon crawler like Labyrinth or Refrain or Rance 6?


c71c81  No.16096105

>>16095348

Bloodborne has a pretty good dungeon system.


138ddc  No.16096120

File: 31081833b34dd45⋯.png (7.18 KB, 165x72, 55:24, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16095411

By not playing it. It's boring and like watching an ESL mexican try to figure out immigration policy. If you must, check out the sword of moonlight site, it's a PC variant, also an interesting modding community.


c1ea3d  No.16096130

File: 47b5cd64c01b8a4⋯.jpg (83.4 KB, 800x600, 4:3, download (4).jpg)

>>16095732

I uploaded Demise: Ascension and Demise: The Revelation on the Vola

volafile.org/r/HF33Go

Ascension is just the original Demise with more post game content, The Revelation is apparently just the original Demise but it runs better and has fewer bugs, I have yet to play either actually but it looks pretty fun

Remember to use Ascension with the 1_.exe

Also remember to archive and reupload so it wont get lost


138ddc  No.16096148

File: 02c990e23e6ecf7⋯.png (1.25 MB, 1000x900, 10:9, wintwint.png)

>>16095702

I haven't thought about my run of that in a good few years. Nice. May have to dump myself into that again.


d653e2  No.16096153

File: 3def6bfa289d2d3⋯.jpg (148.25 KB, 595x719, 595:719, d71213689c9c6e4c76bbb9363f….jpg)

>>16096130

Thanks man, looking forward to the corpse runs again.


af9257  No.16096158

>>16096130

Thanks anon. I'll try it out later. I have a few games I am playing through right now among other things.


aa6f1a  No.16096161

>>16096130

What's all the commotion? Is it good?


54d387  No.16096168

File: ca3fbd35999e968⋯.jpg (46.19 KB, 555x833, 555:833, 1549599599255.jpg)

What's the Dungeon Crawler with the most mistery? I want to go on an adventure, but don't have friends willing to play tabletop RPGs.


138ddc  No.16096210

>>16096168

I think the most cheeto laden in-the-cups one would be Aaagh! Shame it's only mobile. Damn shame.


82a440  No.16096266

>>16096168

Might and Magic can be pretty weird. What with the sci-fi elements.


8c2791  No.16096276

>>16096168

Shadow Tower: Abyss.

Or Hungry Ghosts, especially if you can't read moon.


411950  No.16096440

>>16095703

You can rush the floors if you want to fail there.


210a29  No.16096967

>>16095411

>Circlestrafing. Never stop circlestrafing. If the enemy gets a bead on you while doing so, circlestrafe their other side.

>Use gear you find instead of buying everything, as almost every piece of equipment barring a select few can be found lying around or hidden away. KF is very gear dependent so having the best armor available can save your ass in a few tricky spots. By midgame KF1 you should have enough durability to not die straight away if you wander into a new area and take hits aside from your first encounter with Earth Elementals because they can still fuck you up even if you know what you're doing, and in KF2 you shouldn't have any issues for the rest of the game once you clear the Wind Palace.

>Use the right weapon for the given situation. Certain enemies are more or less resistant to certain damage types, so check your weapons damage stats. Also just because a weapon does more damage doesn't always mean it's better to use, especially if it's heavy shit, doubly so early on when you lack the strength to swing it quickly and it takes forever for your stamina to recharge. In KF1 having a quick weapon is a life-saver as enemies flinch when hit regardless of damage dealt, while in KF2 I believe you have to hit a certain damage threshold with each strike.


959172  No.16097079

>>16096130

So that was you? Thanks anon, good job finding a download for Ascension unless you bought it or something, either way


504723  No.16097105

>>16095550

>Combat and movements are awfully slow. Like really, really slow. Unskippable long animations for every attack, for every transition and spells do not mix well with dungeon crawlers.

Guess you never tried pressing enter? You can just hold enter and breeze through a turn in a second.


82a440  No.16097225

>>16097105

I didn't complete the game. Got up to the fourth (fifth?) floor a long while ago. I don't remember there being a skip option.


d2035c  No.16097230

Dungeon Travelers 2

Stranger of Sword City revisited


9eb22b  No.16099644

>>16096168

Underworld Ultima 1 is basically a side story from the whole series and your whole job is exploring it.


82a440  No.16099679

>>16097230

Does Stranger of Sword City has interesting combat/classes/quests? I don't have a vita so I won't be able to get the Revisited content. Is it a big loss?


c1ea3d  No.16099699

>>16097079

no I just asked the guy on cs.rin.ru to reupload it, I just added it to the vola


af9257  No.16101443

What dungeon crawlers allow for the greatest degree of movement?


de82bc  No.16102909

>>16096161

One of the best. We had a fine thread about it not too long ago.


4ba055  No.16103045

File: ff7f8d9343b4d81⋯.jpg (1.48 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, EGM.jpg)

File: d3c257558cb9add⋯.jpg (1.69 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Elminage_Gothic-Demons.jpg)

File: 0e92d7d1bdb7852⋯.jpg (1.3 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Elminage_Gothic-Giants.jpg)

File: 5263d667fab7cad⋯.jpg (1.32 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1.jpg)

File: a1808a70898ee0a⋯.jpg (1.71 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 12.jpg)

The Elminage series is decent and Elminage Gothic is on PC just make sure you get the unlimited map cheat


82a440  No.16105068

>>16103045

I found Elminage 2 (The priestess and the six rings) to be very boring but that's just me.




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