b6ec38 No.16080485
How long until videogames have their first genius?
Like today is possible for a talented and disciplined guy to self teach almost anything on youtube, there's plenty of material from universities and sites like coursera to self teach an entire degree.
So, having said that, how long until there's the first beethoven or shakespeare of videogames?
0f32be No.16080490
But we already have Toby Fox
b6ec38 No.16080493
>>16080490
I think he's still young.
a9a947 No.16080497
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16080485
>How long until videogames have their first genius?
<For the past 40 years, because he knew exactly what people wanted
>So, having said that, how long until there's the first beethoven or shakespeare of videogames?
Shakespeare was considered normalfag drivel in his day, and Beethoven was taught to live and breath music from a young age.
8c5427 No.16080501
>>16080490
He's an argument against one-man vidya if anything.
df59d2 No.16080503
Beethoven and Shakespeare were incredibly talented in their respective fields of art to begin with. But videogames incorporate several fields of art. Expecting someone to be talented in the fields of visual design, music composition, programming, storytelling, and game design is a bit stretching it.
40f734 No.16080504
>>16080490
Yeah, Toby Fox. The guy who has a bunch of people who helped him in the credits. Let's face it, that guy who made that proof-of-concept game using almost entirely UE4 assets is more of a genius than Toby Fox.
075562 No.16080506
Ulillillia's been around for ages.
145796 No.16080512
First of all, the word you're looking for is "auteur", and there's arguments for them already existing. One-man (or mostly one man) devs like Pixel or Chris Sawyer exist, being extremely talented and having heavy influence on the medium.
Auteur theory can also be bullshit, considering people like Warren Spector or Kojima who have no credibility once given more control, or removed from their old team.
You're only a genius if you're declared as one.
8ee2b2 No.16080513
>>16080506
>Ulillillia
Ulillillia is slowly being molded into a normalfaggot
49f6b4 No.16080527
>>16080485
Okada was a genius, but most of the world failed to notice him.
2a67a1 No.16080530
>How long until videogames have their first genius?
When that genius creates a good game or revives a dead genre, and good games dont sell these days
b6ec38 No.16080540
>>16080530
I would agree carmack is one, but romero is not.
22c8e6 No.16080547
>>16080485
How can you determine a video game genius when you don't know how to define a video game genius?
b823f6 No.16080556
Never, someone on the level of a beethoven or shakespeare wouldn't dedicate themselves to creating time-sink toys for adult children in the first place, it's like asking about the first genius in the field of funny pictures of dogs dressed to look like people
fd794e No.16080565
>>16080485
what about garriot, van caneghem or the dudes at sirtech?
1dbdf9 No.16080599
Plenty of autists
0 geniuses, thanks fluoridation
a75d59 No.16080607
>>16080485
The guy who made Unteralterbach did it pretty much alone, if that counts.
a75d59 No.16080608
>>16080507
Oh yeah, also ZUN already exists. I forgot that for a minute.
f8e1f1 No.16080615
this fucker here everyone!
0ba08c No.16080616
>>16080599
>believing in conspiracy theories
Fluoridation is the only thing keeping amerimutts from having shitty teeth.
282390 No.16080617
There is no single person who can create multiple great games. There can be someone out there maybe who can make a decent/good game or two at most, but games are almost always a multi-person/team effort, due to the sheer vastness of skills required.
Shakespeare wasn't required to be a non-literary artist (i.e. painting), Beethoven wasn't required to be a great writer, and neither of them were required to learn how to code. This doesn't get into everything from level and game design, gameplay being "fun" (an exceptionally subjective criteria), keeping a work ethic for a single work covering so many aspects… It would be impossible due to sheer scale and requirements of so many skills.
It would require a true rennaissance man, and someone who is that smart would realize collaboration would be the best route towards creating truly great vidya.
There's some incredible teams out there, but sadly they dissolved as companies disappear and die out, but they made enough legendary works consistently to earn that kind of title, and there are a few directors and key people who are incredible.
4b0886 No.16080618
>>16080485
>have their first genius
Ahem.
c5b777 No.16080622
>>16080485
>>16080490
Toby Fox is a hack who took almost three years to make rpg maker tumblr trash then claimed he did it solo despite having a team.
Pic related made this game in two years and actually did do it by himself.
282390 No.16080623
>>16080527
Okada was great, but giving him credit alone when he was with a trio (and had strong relationships with those on his team as well) is a bit unfair
0a681b No.16080638
A culture has to be able to give rise to the circumstances that produce a true genius, it's the right person in the right place. Modern culture, East or West, produces empty trash.
2a67a1 No.16080648
>>16080540
yeah romero is a bitch hack "genius" like kojima
199562 No.16080649
>>16080615
>kojima
>the george lucas of videogame
haha cool post but seriously let's talk about actual geniuses, because this thread is nothing but shitty "idea guys"
1dbdf9 No.16080652
>>16080616
>neurotoxins are a conspiracy theory
Imagine bein this BONGED.COM.
a9a947 No.16080657
>>16080649
>>kojima
>>the george lucas of videogame
<Lucas started a company that made billions and is know worldwide
<Kojima nearly bankrupted Konami and wants to do nothing more than sucm Pedowoods cock
22c8e6 No.16080694
>>16080485
ur mom is a genius lmao rekt
734c19 No.16080811
Video games are not a type of medium conducive to being created by a single person. They are too complex and so take too long. Just look at Dwarf Fortress. You could call it the Mona Lisa of video games… if the Mona Lisa was literally the ONLY THING that Leonardo daVinci ever created, and during his lifetime there was zero expectation that he would ever actually finish it. Aside from that, it's had virtually zero influence on the industry as a whole.
The thing is, there are vanishingly small numbers of "geniuses" through history that were not assisted in some way. History likes to pretend as if great men had singular accomplishments, but NO MAN is an island. The people that are truly separate tend to be the ones who were actually insane and really accomplished nothing. Beethoven was TAUGHT music; he didn't learn it on his own. And there are manifold theories about how Shakespeare didn't write some of his plays.
Video games will always be made by a team, especially in the future as they increase in complexity. Oh sure, there can be a central figure that acts as the visionary and leader, but that's not the same thing.
31b8f6 No.16080988
Keita Takahashi. He spent his entire career making unique games and trying to show how unique games could be. To the point where he feels he has failed because of the industry's current state of every game being the same old shit.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-05-the-negativity-of-keita-takahashi
68e18f No.16081010
>>16080540
Carmack is just a code monkey who just incidentally happened to get into game design. Without Romero or the rest of id, he wouldn't have created anything particularly remarkable.
26bad1 No.16081017
>>16080988
He is also is anti-gamergate and anti free speech.
237d1a No.16081021
>>16080530
>Carmack's strong jawline
I'm not homosexual but damn that's sexy.
db0b74 No.16081043
45bedb No.16081065
>>16081017
I've heard he also doesn't like video games.
b288d4 No.16081073
You do realize that most of the classic genius' or savants weren't even recognized in their lifetimes?
Even if there was a game out there created by someone who is a once-in-a-generation talent, chances are it would fly under the radar and not be realized until years later. Which sadly by then, the industry would have just ground that said individual into another mindless code monkey shelling out the latest junk for corporate.
59072e No.16081086
>all these plebs pretending they know art
Just so you guys don't continue to embarrass yourselves.
The Mona Lisa was a painting so shitty that the person who commissioned it didn't want it, the only reason it was famous was because it was stolen.
Shakespeare wasn't popular because he was a good storyteller, he was popular among the peasants because he snuck in sex jokes every 2 lines.
0df15e No.16081098
>>16081086
(((Art))) is just jewish subversion anyway, it's the best vector for a society to become pozzed.
9603d0 No.16081118
>>16080623
Atlus' RPGs are all definitely team efforts, no denying that. Atlus is known for its great artists, writers and composers. But when it comes to project leadership, Okada was the man. He directed most of Atlus' 1990s hits, and was also a co-founder and a programmer.
That being said, you can definitely say Atlus has had multiple geniuses. I wouldn't deny it either. A lot of those guys were talented in their fields and did great work. That's why I'm also looking forward to Suzuki's visual novel even though I normally hate visual novels.
594e11 No.16081128
>>16080485
We already have Pajitnov. Like Giotto or Bach, he's an unreachable genius whose core idea is a unique singularity in the whole of history. But since everyone has built upon it, he seems just like an old dude from some fad in the past.
It doesn't take a smart man, to create the gameplay of a first person shooter, or any action game. They're just life transported to the computer screen. To come up with something as abstract and essential as Tetris, that takes abstract thinking well beyond 90% of the human population.
26bad1 No.16081139
>>16081043
It would require some good digging, but I saw it myself.
Some years ago I would still pay attention to twitter, and I followed the guy there. That's where I found that he moved with his family to North America. Now, this was also around the time that twitter decided to start showing at random on your timeline tweets that people you follow liked, and when I saw it was a couple of days after Charlottesville happened.
There was a picture going around of a girl carrying a sign saying that she didn't agree with communists or nazis, but she supported the right for communists and nazis to speak out. and the tweet was someone saying "fuck this girl, this girl needs to be killed" or something. When that tweet showed on my timeline I was wondering who the fuck I followed that liked such a thing, and it was Keita Takahashi. And so I went to see his like/favorites, and the rest is history.
I guess it was a lesson on how to never elevate humans you don't really know to hero status. Katamari is one of my favorite games, and it was kind of a gut punch to discover that someone who made one of your favorite things is someone that you would probably hate. But that's life I guess.
594e11 No.16081145
>>16081086
>leonardo da vinci is shit
>shakespeare is shit
And here you have what happens, when you apply the /v/ mentality of 'everything is shit' to real life. You end up looking like an imbecile.
Don't make his same mistake, kids.
db0b74 No.16081174
>>16081139
>Do you have a source?
<Just trust me bro
(X)
d020a6 No.16081177
>>16081086
>>16081166
imagine being this much of a sad angry NEET that you have to project your anger at your shitty life onto everything and everybody else
8c8c63 No.16081184
>>16080485
John Carmack as a programmer.
ae23db No.16081219
>>16081145
>his English teacher didn't highlight every sex joke and political jab in Shakespeare's works
a9a947 No.16081222
>>16081219
In my schools, they talked about Shakespeare like he is a God and the source of all the modern English language.
56ece3 No.16081246
>>16081145
Care to explain what makes their works so great?
ae23db No.16081274
>>16081222
Mine to for about 3 classes. Then actual copies of the play are handed out and we were told outright to ignore everything in those books but the script. The teacher proceeded to have politics behind the play, sex jokes, every time Shakespeare did something because he had to or else he'd be in trouble explained. Plus outright telling everyone that only a few scenes in all of Shakespeare's plays in total is how people would actually speak to each other and the dialogue isn't actually realistic.
Guess my teacher was one of the good ones.
755ec9 No.16081276
>>16080503
This anon has it. The greatest writers, artists and composers had the luxury of only having to master one mode of expression. That isn't to say that it is not possible for a video game genius to emerge, but he would be insanely dedicated and his game might look different than we might imagine due to sheer lack of necessary manpower. Something like Cave Story, although I wouldn't say Cave Story is a work of "genius" because it didn't set a new standard or innovate, it was just a really solid action platformer.
a9a947 No.16081288
>>16081274
Until wasn't the past few years that I realized how everything that I learned in my literature classes was complete bullshit. In fact, I've started greatly understanding stories better by just jumping into them and picking things up along the way than I did having to do any "research" about the subject at hand or "analyzing the symbolism".
26bad1 No.16081332
>>16081174
Believe in what you want to believe. If you want to believe that I just decided to invent random shit to post online then please go ahead, or you could do your research instead and decide for yourself
738f2f No.16081351
>>16081332
Cunts can have what ever views they want as long as they do not put that shit in their games. If we start going down the "wrong think" road we become as bad as the SJWs.
81c5b4 No.16081386
>>16081351
>hurr if you fight against SJWs you become just like them
That kind of thinking brought us to our current situation.
ae23db No.16081395
>>16081351
>we become as bad as the SJWs.
Spoken like a true cuck. Unless you think only with what you feel instead of logic and brainwash people through emotional torture you will never be as bad as an SJW.
738f2f No.16081403
>>16081386
How is going REEEEEEE this dumb faggot does not think they way I do count as fighting them? Anon there will always be fags like that and if you think arguing with cucks on the Twitter (cuck HQ) then your seriously deluded. Fighting is done on the ground with a big ass hammer not behind a computer.
9bb077 No.16081423
>>16080988
Honestly, did you think he wouldn't be? I guarantee him, Shigesato Itoi, probably ZUN, and about 95% of women in the Japanese gaming industry are indistinguishable from American SJWs.
40f734 No.16081692
>>16081017
Does that somehow invalidate his creative game design and contributions to the industry? No.
07172c No.16082415
>>16081692
it means you shouldn't give him money
5010fb No.16082557
>>16081423
Itoi is a weirdo, an idealist, but middle of the road as they come; The japs in general are pretty weird, Susumu Hirasawa (not 100% vidya) for example is big on green energy, so much so that a lot of his home is solar, or some form of alternative energy (which is strange, since the man has a hard on for analog synths, and electronic instruments in general) and is pretty hippie-dippie in general, though, at the same time, holds some pretty nationalistic views (He's pretty keen on The emperor getting his GOD status back)
>95% of Women in the Japanese gaming industry
Depends, most of the time they keep their fucking mouths shut, I don't see many being outward about it, though the ones who do bleed their thoughts out, are pretty fucking westernized, not "quite free bleed" feminists, but more like apathetic cat ladies.
ce1e0b No.16082597
>>16080485
There probably already was. A lot of great artisans aren't recognized until their dead.
That and the current state of so it is praise and enunciation of the mediocre. Done for the sake of lowest common denominator audiences, watered down principles and themes are preferred as larger companies want enormous pools of selection. This means if there was a revolutionary idea in gaming it may have been renounced or struck down because the rule of profit would not allow it.
ca3cea No.16082645
>>16080485
But Anon…
Hideo Kojima has already happened
1f6928 No.16082665
>Self taught by youtube
That isn't how it works. That's being taught.
Video games are not art and will never be art. There will never be a genius game designer because the medium doesn't allow genius. It's mass produced entertainment, nothing more and nothing less. If you're searching for high art in games the closest you can ever get is Tetris because it's a perfect game. Tetris clearly isn't art so we can assume no matter how perfect a game is it cannot be art. Simple.
8d36ae No.16082677
>>16080811
Why is this the only mention of Tarn? His shit may be spaghetti mess, but god damn
d26069 No.16082753
d26069 No.16082755
And let's not forget thecatamites
441d2c No.16082772
>>16080530
Carmack yes, Romero no. Romero just knows how to design levels alright. Although at this point he's behind other designers in terms of fully functioning 3D principles (still lightyears ahead of many shitty AAA devs, though). Problem with bideo gaymes is that they're more of a team effort than literally any other form of entertainment media. Thus, most turn into a "too many chefs in the kitchen" scenario.
d26069 No.16082807
>>16082794
Shinji Mikami (>>16082753) is still based and redpilled and he's pretty well-known.
f57c6f No.16082810
>>16082794
impotent
LEFTIST
8a4100 No.16082822
>>16082665
This logic is so stupid.
The only good thing about the contemporary art movement is that it brought into question in the public eye what "art" is, exactly, pushing the field to be more accepting of raw human expression in spite of traditional methodologies. Granted, most 'artists' in the movement started to just piggyback the same self-reflective questions posed by the movement itself, but that doesn't change how valid it originally was.
Some games are mass-produced for general audiences, therefore games cannot be art?
Okay, let's take that logic further…
Some films are mass-produced for general audiences. Therefore, film cannot be art. Some music is mass-produced for general audiences. Therefore, they can't be art. See how stupid that is?
That's not a defense for shitty 'art "games"' like Gone Home or Braid that don't focus on what makes gaming a special medium of conveyance, since they're just pandering to a specific crowd, but holy shit, the idea that there can never be, nor has been, art is complete trash.
You want the real reason why games aren't considered 'art' now outside of cringeworthy communities like Reddit? It's because there's no prominent crowd that tries to view the craftsmanship of a game, knows what the fuck they're talking about, and bothers to give indie games the same amount of spotlight as AAA titles.
4bd40c No.16082829
>>16080607
Could you imagine the awkward silence between 2 devs working on that game? They'd have to be making it in separate rooms, unless they're madlads that is.
d796f5 No.16082834
>>16082665
> It's mass produced entertainment,
That's funny.
>>16080485
His name is Chris Sawyer.
cf7c08 No.16082854
>>16081288
Literature class is a joke, you'd get 100x more out of just reading than overanalyzing everything. It's just a forced schooling position by retards with literature degree because nobody else wanted to employ them.
8454a9 No.16082856
>>16082665
>If you're searching for high art in games the closest you can ever get is Tetris because it's a perfect game.
If you ever consider the objectively "perfect game" to exist in real life, you need to cure your Dunning-Kruger's by killing yourself as fast as possible.
f0e654 No.16082858
>Ctrl+f Pixel
>1
Looks like my job here is done. This is now a dubs thread.
5010fb No.16082870
>>16082834
>Chris Sawyer
What the fuck did he do after RCT and RCT2? also The assets were made by someone else but close.
da0fd8 No.16082874
>>16082870
He also did Railroad Tycoon.
d26069 No.16082885
>>16082858
Cave Story is fun, but Pixel didn't revolutionize anything. Even the guy who made Yume Nikki is more of a genius.
8e76aa No.16082888
>>16080622
That looks like fucking shit, no wonder a single guy made it
3f58e2 No.16082894
>>16081139
>I guess it was a lesson on how to never elevate humans you don't really know to hero status. Katamari is one of my favorite games, and it was kind of a gut punch to discover that someone who made one of your favorite things is someone that you would probably hate. But that's life I guess.
That's what they call a milkshake duck. Now you know how the people who liked The Last Night feel.
1f6928 No.16082896
>>16082822
This is how you know my post is right. You have an idiot screaming how it's all wrong while approving of mass appeals and dumbing things down.
>>16082856
Tetris is an objectively perfect game. There is nothing you can do to improve it. It has just the right amount of everything pushed to it's limits. Anything more you add only detracts from it, anything you remove doesn't improve it. Tetris should be the base line we measure all games against. It is the perfect GAME.
8a4100 No.16082902
>>16082896
>This is how you know my post is right.
<I'm right because people called me retarded.
1f6928 No.16082909
>>16082902
More evidence. Posted anime reaction video. Only retards like anime.
9a21e2 No.16082947
>>16082909
Now you're just being silly.
8a4100 No.16082955
>>16082909
<2hu is animu
How nu are yu?
14bf85 No.16082974
>>16082973
Oops, I meant to reply to the reply. Cuz
>Touhou is anime
Please disregard my retard.
813d1f No.16083013
>So, having said that, how long until there's the first beethoven or shakespeare of videogames?
When we genocide the kikes.
You wanna know why society and most fields in media suck? Because they're Jew controlled garbage that have no backing as art forms and I unfortunately am not slamming comics, animation, and video games in comparison to music, film, and literature, because things have gotten so fucking bad that those are actually worse in the modern day than vidya, anime, and comics. Modern literature is literal fanficiton written by overweight women, film is corporate driven shit run by Disney, and backed up by the Oscars where quality doesn't matter, connections between Jewish pedophiles and money do, and modern music is a group of uppity niggers shoving the microphone in and out of their ass.
I want to make one thing very clear
THIS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL ALL JEWS ARE DEAD
THEY ARE THE DIRECT CAUSE OF THIS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE A TRUE AUTEUR IN VIDYA OR ANY MEDIUM UNTIL THEY ARE ALL EXTERMINATED
Until that happens there will never be a single genius in gaming. Kill the Jews and for extra safety, kill anyone currently in a position of power and for extra safety, their bloodline.
f0e654 No.16083045
>>16082885
Van Gogh didn't revolutionize anything either and is still widely considered a genius. My point being that "geniuses" in videogames, as defined by the fuzzy parameters OP could speak in between sucking nigger cocks, have already existed, thus the entire thread is operating on a false premise. So, check em.
7b0939 No.16083179
>>16080485
>How long until videogames have their first genius?
We already have.
8f3a74 No.16083453
there's several but the genius comes from how they manage a team.
18d8f7 No.16083461
Just because you're a genius doesn't mean your game will be good. Sometimes it just mean's you're too fucking far removed from normalfag consciousness to understand normal fun.
56ece3 No.16083593
>>16082896
>Tetris is an objectively perfect game. There is nothing you can do to improve it.
Tetris originally didn't have wall kick or a "next piece" previews, which are two additions that practically all versions of the game played today have as they are widely considered improvements. Not to mention there are countless variations on the main game which have been made, which many people prefer playing to the vanilla version. Get out of here with this "muh objectively" bullshit.
a22549 No.16083687
>>16080485
>not knowing about Cleve Blakemore, the living fossil, the neanderthal among homos
076fc2 No.16083698
3975ab No.16083700
>>16080485
>the first beethoven or shakespeare of videogame
humanity had music for thousands of years before those two came along, so it doesn't look good, anon.
9270f5 No.16083720
>>16083461
>tfw I made that webm
>tfw I haven't made any worthwhile OC in over two years
682aee No.16083731
How long until video games have *another* genius? Because you can say what you want about id Software games, but John Carmack is a legit CSCI genius.
02575d No.16083738
>>16082665
So what's stopping anyone from saying the exact same thing about film or really any popular fiction faggot?
Mass-produced entertainment doesn't preclude something from being art, it just makes it unlikely to be a quality piece of art or more like kitsch, but even still there are plenty of games made for niche audiences, and plenty of games made for free as passion projects; even the ones that aren't still had plenty of love put into them, but still intended to be sold of course because one needs to recoup the costs and make a living, and that's always been true.
Artists take commissions and have been since ancient times, this doesn't not make their art art. You have no definition for what counts as art that can't be countered with other examples from other fields that would count as art.
02575d No.16083740
>>16083731
Programming is only one aspect of vidya games.
8b117f No.16083927
>>16083461
Rest in peace Dingaling, I hope you found your father in the afterlife.
14ceee No.16083930
>>16083720
>Tfw Austin went off the deep end after his father died
2a67a1 No.16083933
so when are people gonna make right wing games? all these pozzed games blow ass with their niggers and lack of gameplay, ethnic cleansing remaster when?
07172c No.16084031
>>16083933
get your ass to the /agdg/ thread and be the change you wanna see.
5010fb No.16084117
>>16083930
I feel for him, losing a father is hard, it's just strange that he would go looking for support from people who would eventually discard him anyway. Now he's just hanging with C-list ecelebs, and being an all around faggot.
I'd wish he'd come back.
86a3fc No.16084127
>>16082888
>literally 1 screenshot
>it's shit
mfw /v/irgins will call anything shit just to counter an argument and get that "superiority" fix. if you're this addicted to the dopamine hits you might as well do heroin at this point.
8daf27 No.16084148
>>16080506
>Ulillillia
What a stupid name, how are you supposed to type this out without just copy pasting it? How do you even fucking remember that.
4b0886 No.16084413
>>16084148
It's not any harder than Mississippi.
4b31a7 No.16086784
e9a349 No.16087376
>>16086784
He wasn't alone
775bc9 No.16087496
>>16087376
Uh, you don't get to bring friends.