/v/ - Video Games

Persona PSP remake was really good, a huge improvement. I haven't played the Persona 2 remakes but I don't see how they can be any worse than the original product. I've also never heard anyone ask for a remake of any of those games.

>>16075764

Well I see people want EO3 Untold even though the 2U was rife with bad game design and DLC. The current SMT team wants to remake/remaster Nocturne and people wanting it as well despite what happened to Redux. Plus people wanting P1 and P2 remakes again with modern gameplay which is fine in theory but knowing Atlus they will ruin it with a Marie. Luckily at least for now they want to leave P1 and P2 alone out of respect for the original developers.

>>16075764

The psp remakes of 2 were better than the ps1 releases but the game was still insufferable to go through.

>You would think people would get the memo that it would only lead to a worse product going by their past attempts.

Nigger, we live in a world where people will actually defend stuff like Fallout 76, Stepgod of War, and Gone Home. I'm fairly certain they aren't going to get the memo, in fact I'm sure they're gonna tell the memo to check it's privilege.

>>16075755

Man, I really don't want to see EO3 defiled. My favorite EO game by far. It's absolutely perfect in every aspect, although you could argue some classes aren't as good as the overpowered ones, but that's minor.

>>16075777 (checked)

Yeah sadly. Wish people started being more critical of shit.

>>16075784

It's a good thing 2U sold poorly in Japan which likely put the wrench of making 3U for good considering Nexus is the last dual-screen EO game.

They've only fucked up 2 remakes on the 3DS, which while bad as fuck is still only 2/5 for that thing, and their other remakes were good.

>Devil Survivor Overclocked

>Devil Survivor Record Breaker

>Soul Hackers

>>16075856

They fucked up both Untolds (the first one had a fuckton of stupid flaws, the second one just got more attention because of the DLC) and I know they fucked up at least one of the SMTs or SMT-likes that I don't care to remember the name of because I don't give a shit about them. That's three at the very least. Which one was it where they shoehorned in some waifu and retconned stuff?

>>16075885

That was Strange Journey

>>16075885

For all it's flaws Untold 1 still wound up as an improvement over the original game.

I didn't realize there was anyone who actually wanted the EO Untold games.

>Kartia: Word of Fate

>Trap Gunner

remakes are never bad, only nostalgiafags hate them because they are new

strange journey remake > original

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>>/v/16075929

If you're gonna bait at least put some effort in

>>16075856

Haven't played DeSu 2 but Overclocked and Soul Hackers are indeed good. I'm talking about the latest ones which doesn't bode well for Catherine Full Body and other potential remakes, also >>16075885 although Untold 1 is ok.

Majin Tensei 1 and 2 (Maybe ronde too)

Devil Summoner 1 again, but this time localize it.

SMT 1, 2, If… and KMT

Giten Megami Tensei

Raidou 1 with Raidou 2 gameplay

SMT NINE

All the old ass mobile phone games like Majin Tensei Blind thinker, the Soul Hacker sequels, hazama's chapter, 20XX, etc…

Devil Children anime remake

Digital Devil Saga HD rerelease with no changes except port the gameplay improvements from 2 into 1.

Jack Bros

An EOU3 would be fine in some aspects because mods could fix it. People are already making mods for vanilla EO3, a fully 3D one would be appreciated. Though I do sympathize with people who don't want to risk it getting defiled, EO3 is one of my favorite games of all time.

I will say though while the Untolds had issues I feel most could be mitigated with mods. Like fixing EOU2's terrible HP bloat. It sucks EOU2 has that since thats the main issue killing the game for me. I love the ost, labyrinth design, and the town system and cooking system is my favorite sidequest in the whole series.

>>16075969

Nigger did you even read the OP

>>16075755

>posts art from the P2 EP remake

>posts the western version of nocturne, which was a remake

<remake bad!

Can't make this shit up

>>16076140

Are you actually trying to imply fatlus knows how to remake a game nowadays? Did you see the disaster that was the Radiant Historia remake?

>>16076063

>I wonder if they'll manage to convince Capcom to let them put Dante in, again.

They won't need to, the re-release of Nocturne in Japan replaced Dante with Raidou from the SMT franchise, so there's no longer a need to negotiate to take him back, they'll just take Raidou if anything. Most likely we won't even get that though, whoever it is will get replaced by a Persona protag or the SMT IV/ Apocalypse one

>>16075856

The also fucked up the Radiant Historia 3DS remake.

>>16075907

Only because the first EO was a disaster in retrospect. They clearly didn't know what they were doing and only got by thanks to the cool concept combined with a neat art style. It was only with 2 and 3 that they really started perfecting the EO formula. Untold 1 had a lot of problems that couldn't be blamed on Atlus just not knowing what they were doing, like the entire story mode, RNG grimoire bullshit, all the story mode locked content including the strongest weapon for a non-story mode class and so on. It's a huge shame because it would be one of the best if not the best EO game if not for those flaws.

>>16076016

How many 3DS games have been modded in any capacity worth mentioning? If it was a thing that would happen to Untold 3, I imagine it would have been used to fix various flaws in the other EOs, but I've never even heard of any of them being modded until your post.

I wish Nexus got some mods to fix the various issues it has. Make subclassing available much earlier, fix balance issues, let ninjas use their force while having a clone, add some new fucking music to the ruins visits and maybe even reskin them. Hell, if we're getting really ambitious, bring in old strata from the other games (maybe you could just rip textures and such from the other 3DS games?) and maybe replace the fucking ruins with those. That was one of my strongest impressions when playing Nexus, actually: that it could have been really good if not for a number of really stupid choices they made.

>>16075755

Digital Devil Saga 1 expanded with a better ending than the shitty sequel. The change in tone and scale was abysmal and ruined all the mystery.

>>16076063

>Apparently the devs of SMTV have outright said they plan to remake Nocturne sometime in the future. We'll have to see how that turns out. I wonder if they'll manage to convince Capcom to let them put Dante in, again.

The nintendrones on /v/ never realized they played a bastardized, fanfictiony version of Nocturne. They spent so much spit explaining how good Matador was supposed to teach you the basic, when he wasn't even there to begin with.

>>16076218

EOIV had a basic one that just makes skill descriptions nore detailed, but EOV actually has a class rebalance mod that even adds new skills, having looked at the files it's not that hard to do something like that, only problem is understanding the file structure

Changing the actual dungeon layouts and events like unlocking subclasses seems more difficult, though changing the appearance and music is just a matter of swapping assets

>>16076300

>I don't know why you'd want the version with less features

To be fair you could make the same argument for the inferior Radiant Historia and Strange Journey remakes. Still unlike those Nocturne's extra content isn't shit that ruins the original plot.

>>16076384

>To be fair you could make the same argument for the inferior Radiant Historia and Strange Journey remakes.

Comparing a remake to a re-release is disingenuous. Nocturne didn't ruin the artstyle, retcon the story, and tone down the difficulty like Strange Journey. It's literally the base game + new content with the same people in charge, but admittedly, toned down the difficulty for the main campaign.

>>16076300

>The difficulty being lower

>>16076411

>toned down the difficulty for the main campaign

Is this just a matter of the new content giving you more exp than normal or is there something else?

>>16076411

Fair point. If they were to do a remake then it would certainly be ruined.

>>16076426

>Is this just a matter of the new content giving you more exp than normal or is there something else?

More exp.

>>16076300

>It was obviously one overarching story split into two games anon

They retconned the original plans to be able and cover a whole second game. Remember Serph getting separated from the others during the ending, and ending up fighting alone in the deserted city?

Then DDS2 starts with everyone together again, in an apartment. They threw away the entire initial premise of 2.

>>16076300

>I don't know why you'd want the version with less features.

>since I can't deny the merits of playing the original thing, I will just pretend it's just new features

The crap added to Nocturne overshadows the original content, just like Strange Journey Redux. You just didn't know it when you first play it, so you're defensive now.

And why is that? Because the whole Amala subplot gets into gear faster than the slow building conflict between the 3 kids.

By the time you hit 20 hours, any new player would have a hard time understanding that the real meat of the game WASN'T supposed to be Lucifer schemes. It was strictly the relationship between the kids and the ritual.

>>16076016

I don't get why people even want EO in 3D. It makes no difference to the gameplay and is a purely aesthetic change, and I think the 2D sprites looked better because they had more detail and better colouring.

>>16076175

>>16076208

I didn't keep up with that, how did they fuck it up? The only thing I saw was that they deliberately made the princess more generic.

>>16076486

>They threw away the entire initial premise of 2.

The entire party started separated in 2 we just get thrown into the story after 3 of the team have regrouped. And we still get a segment later in the game were Serph is separated from the original party. While the details changed it's also clear that the central focus of the story was going to about Serph and Sera uniting both figuratively and literally as does occur, it's just that Serph's absence from the party, Sera's gain of powers, and the reuniting took place in a different order. If you play Digital Devil Saga with no knowledge that a sequel exists, it doesn't feel like a proper story, there's no payoff, none of the plot threads are resolved, nothing makes sense. Mysterious is a great tone to have but it needs to have payoff to be a proper fucking story. Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 feel like a game cleaved clean in half and it shows in the story. It was also an intentional design choice by Satomi as stated in the interviews that the second half was supposed to have a completely different tone. As he has said in interviews

>while the first game's motif was "rain", the second game's was "sun"

>>16076508

>By the time you hit 20 hours, any new player would have a hard time understanding that the real meat of the game WASN'T supposed to be Lucifer schemes. It was strictly the relationship between the kids and the ritual.

You're saying this as if Maniax wasn't literally promoted as the "director's version" (i.e. what the director originally intended) of III. Going as far as the original design discussions for the Demi-fiend he was supposed to constantly shift between human and demon form throughout the story, something that's only relevant for Lucifer's schemes. Unless you're

>>16076540

fucking hell, posted too son

Unless you're complaint is that it has pacing issues, which I can understand, that doesn't mean it interviews and other sources confirm it as being closer to the original and structure devs wants overall. Unless you're saying you know more about the game than the devs do.

>>16076540

>>16076547

>Unless you're saying you know more about the game than the devs do.

Authorial intent aside, the one thing I do dislike about the Maniax version of Nocturne is that the True Demon ending overshadows the other endings and makes them seem less valid. Since you have to clear the Labyrinth of Amala and fight another final boss in order to get the True Demon ending, it's now the most important and complete ending of Nocturne, whereas before each of the other endings were equally important and complete. Don't get me wrong, I think the Maniax content more than makes up for this problem, if you even consider it one, but I do think it's a shame that the Maniax version isn't as open-ended as the original version.

>>16077197

I would agree with you that the pacing and introduction of the Amala subplot really distorts what the original message was about. If anything, I believe that it would have been better done that, instead of being introduced with random Matador encounter, Demi-fiend was sent to the Labyrinth right before entering the tower for the final climb. With the Fiends sent across the world ala FF7 Ultimate Weapons before even unlocking the labyrinth. If not that, at least introduce the concept and at least one "reason" to completion before distracting from the original story.

Steambot Chronicles 2

>>16076540

>You're saying this as if Maniax wasn't literally promoted as the "director's version"

Devil's advocate, but not all director's cuts are better than the original depending on what the changes are made. I've read a couple articles detailing some of the possible and actual continuity errors and problems the Maniax content adds to nocturne including altering the more logical role of the neutral backer (whoever the Rorschach face god is) because of stuff the lady in black says. Then you get the Aleph theories which doesn't really impact anything in the long run, but does seem to change the role of Hijiri in the long run as well as bring up issues with later games that do feature the Law/Neutral/Chaos axioms not having this "observer" character present.

I guess all I would say is that Maniax isn't bad in my book, and I think you can more or less experience the vanilla game by not progressing the TDE route. But that addition does change a lot of the tone and lore. I would understand why people wouldn't favor it

>>16075959

>Raidou 1 with Raidou 2 gameplay

God yes. The only flaw with Raidou 2 was the entire fucking awful story.

I don't know how they went from the subtle nods, winks, and story beats in 1 to the utterly bafflingly dumbed-down "let me explain everything literally immediately after it happens" bullshit in 2.

>>16075939

>>16076175

>>16076208

>never explaining why remakes are bad

>they are b-bad because they are not old pixelated trash!

fucking nostalgiafags

>>16077320

><there's some "new" demons that are just ported from other 3D games in the series

Are you implying you don't want any actual new demons?

>>16077320

That hard mode patch was fucking awful, and you managed to name the one good thing it did

>>16077369

He's referencing that multiple demons such as Lucifer were given redesigns in IV replacing their Kaneko ones. When the Kaneko ones are vastly superior.

>>16078055

>Making huge changes to the plot

>Adding voice acting to RPGs

>New generic animu portraits that besides being less visually interesting manage to make every girl look less cute and every man less masculine

>Adding random special attacks to a combat system where strategy is very important

>Riddling the game with DLC on top of all that

Jesus christ. And what is it with Atlus and adding new characters to remakes and re-releases?

>>16078361

It's possible to add or make characters playable, but they need to fit properly with the existing plot rather than have to bend the plot in knots to make their presence feel warranted. Anyhow, I'd assume part of it is that remaking games that don't need to be remade visuals, audibly, or in terms of gameplay, they feel a need to change/add something to make it stand out, even if it's a negative. Though that just prompts the question of why remake what didn't need remaking to begin with? Answer's obviously profit, but still.

>>16078311

That would be fine but Atlus would ruin it with other shit like floor jump, story mode, grimorie stones and DLC.

>>16078361

>Jesus christ. And what is it with Atlus and adding new characters to remakes and re-releases?

Waifubait to attract a wider audience. It doesn't work though.

>>16075755

Presumably the reason people want EO3-DLC is because of the 3D environments and enemies, which does take the developers some effort to make, but while EOU Classic served a purpose by restructuring some of the calcs to make certain skills and classes more useful, EOU story mode and EO2U where such disasters there isn't really much hope for a potential EO3U being worthwhile.

>>16076245

>>16076300

>>16076540

Don't you guys know that the original author for the DDS series caught Japanese cold and had to leave partway through development? That's why the premise is great and the initial parts of the first game are so good but then it just fucking shits itself and turns ultra-generic. She actually continued her initial design in a series of LNs, though it sounds like the official translator for the LNs is kind of a cunt, additionally, I feel like the SMT team had a positive influence on the work though because the samples/synopses I did read weren't quite as interesting as DDS1 turned out to be, but Satomi definitely fumbled it when left on his own.

>Also Ardha design is the second best design in the series, only behind Take-Minakata

Get back in your coffin Koneko-chan, hindu-ultraman and your armless husbando are boring as hell.

>>16075930

FALSE

The remake was way too easy.

>>16078055

>I see it happening more and more frequently, as if the posterbase is getting dumber or polluted with imbeciles that don't know the difference. Part of me's been considering making a "know the difference" sort of image, but the other part says no one would give a shit anyhow.

Should we blame shitskins or Common Core though?Either way they're some real retarded bastards if they can't tell the difference between remakes and half-assed re-releases and ports..

>>16078930

I'd blame increasing awareness of imageboards as a medium, as well as awareness of 8ch between mainstream media namedropping attracting those that don't belong on imageboards, and cuckchan coming here when their shithole is down/get banned. But that's assuming it's not just people baiting for (You)s.

>>16076218

>How many 3DS games have been modded in any capacity worth mentioning? If it was a thing that would happen to Untold 3, I imagine it would have been used to fix various flaws in the other EOs, but I've never even heard of any of them being modded until your post.

Unfortunately most are on reddit but people have done various levels of stuff, a few for example are

>EO5 patch that changes statistics

https://old.reddit.com/r/EtrianOdyssey/comments/92mpqa/eo5_balance_patch_v11/

>EO3 mod that does some pretty ambitious things

https://old.reddit.com/r/EtrianOdyssey/comments/9qwhqz/eo3r_etrian_odyssey_iii_mod/

>EO4 that changes the text

https://old.reddit.com/r/EtrianOdyssey/comments/80tmt7/eoiv_transparency_patch_release/

Obviously aside from the middle one here most are simple, but they're nice examples of what could be done, and people could probably do more if interest as higher.

>>16076527

>I don't get why people even want EO in 3D. It makes no difference to the gameplay and is a purely aesthetic change, and I think the 2D sprites looked better because they had more detail and better colouring.

While I agree I do love the sprites, the 3DS EOs do have some very nice additions that would be welcome to EO3

>Nicer graphics in general and higher resolution (Compare S5 in EO2 to its Untold version)

>The 3D (visual effect) makes mapmaking easier, as does the improved draw distance

>Having FOEs being actual models on the map helps expand what puzzles they can do

>3D models for battles lets them have the monsters change pose when they're weak/about to do an attack and so on

>Circlepad for much smoother mapmaking

>3D in battle also lets them have front row/back row enemies

>High quality music remixes

The last one is the biggest reason I would want an EO3 remake, the music remixes alone would be worth it

>>16079398

You forgot

>being able to run

>being able to increase animation speed

>NG+ lets you choose what to keep

>>16079398

>>16079583

All of those points sound fine but you know Atlus will do retarded shit that will ruin the entire game.

>>16082716

I can accept a certain amount of retardation if everything else is improved

>>16083041

How much DLC could we here at atlas sell you? What about a DLC that unlocks the sixth stratum, or puts it back in after we remove large sections of floors for no reason? What if we decide to make yggdroid and shogun DLC because having them be story locked punishes casual players who just mash through dialogue. Shogun is also story locked somehow too

>>16083041

The latest remakes have so much bad shit that it outweighs whatever good they have. When it comes to modern Atlus, you better hope they leave their old games alone.

>>16083063

>>16083065

Untold 1 was still good, story mode and floor jump aren't bad enough to bring down the better map design, encounter design, boss design, class design and better quality of life

>>16083073

Yeah, but that was before untold two, Radiant remake, SMT SJ remake, and you know what lets just throw SMT4A in there as well because it sucked

>>16083073

I agree with Untold 1 being an improvement overall even though it could've been better however I was mainly talking about the later ones like SJR, Radiant Historia PC and EO2U where shit got out of control.

>>16083087

oh also I forgot EO:X which is just horribly bland

>>16083092

It's problems can't really be attributed to the same things as those for SJR or RH:PC

It's mostly japs having shit taste when deciding which classes and stratums would return

>>16083099

Yeah but it's still a good indicator of overall quality decline.