a77b51 No.16075435
Why is this such a dead genre, and why are the only series people remember are WipEout and F-Zero?
48267f No.16075455
If I were to guess I'd say they were more or less the best at what they did, though at different ends of arcade racing . Wipeout was polished and weighty but still had enough speed to give a rewarding race. Where as Fzero games, specifically GX were busted as fuck. Good busted mind you since any tricks were generally hard to do and gave a good risk reward allowing you to go ludicrous speed.
That's not to say that star wars pod racing wasn't good. It was a great game, it's just that those two stood out more in the end. This is only my opinion though.
8a4b74 No.16075483
Maybe the focus away from making games fun for the sake of making fartsy pseudo movies has something to do with it. And Miyamoto did say something along the lines of not knowing what to do with a new F-Zero game. What could you do with it indeed besides making an HD, online capable remake? Besides, Wipeout, there was mp4 related. I enjoyed the demo and would have bought it earlier if it ever went on sale or was physical. Reminds me that the only car combat games on the PS3 that I can think of off the top of my head are Full Auto 2 and Twisted Metal. Both of which had their servers shut down. (RIP)
ebc3d8 No.16075576
>>16075483
They could at least port GX to the switch with updated multiplayer to allow more than 4 people. Fuck why are they so incompetent.
df959c No.16075593
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I think this video is relevant. Also:
<we can't do anything new with F-Zero, what can we do with it?
>releases Mario Kart 8 Deluxe & NSMBU Deluxe
Just make an HD port with online multiplayer, you fucking hacks.
8d3cf7 No.16075609
>>16075593
Seriously, this. They're rereleasing Mario games that are less than a generation old by the fucking truckload, and they refuse to rerelease franchises like Metroid Prime or F-Zero. All they would have to do to make me happy is give me an upscaled F-Zero GX, or for extra super special Nintoddler brownie points maybe dredge up that arcade F-Zero that virtually nobody in the West got to even see. Christ, why is Nintendo so bad at figuring out how to sell a product?
933e8e No.16075617
>>16075609
>that arcade F-Zero that virtually nobody in the West got to even see.
>tfw my local arcade had one
Feels good
7a2e6c No.16075618
>>16075609
Because say what you will about the lazy Mario platformer clones, they at least have to put a modicum of work into them and they aren't beating literally the same dead horse over and over. They gotta have some things in reserve if they fuck up, or to pimp a new console to give it a strong start. Also even if I trust Nintendo more than the majority for sequels and remakes and such, they have made serious blunders like Other M and Federation Force, do you want that to happen to F-Zero? Leave it to end on a high note.
c2a092 No.16075620
I only played the first Extreme G, is the one on the Gamecube any good?
c7ef96 No.16075641
What about Redout and Break Arts, were those good?
17978c No.16075647
>>16075618
The worse part of Federation Force was The game engine and parts of the game felt like it could have honestly have been a really good prime game ala' Hunters with more content but for some reason, The developers thought what they gave was good enough, but if rumors are true, Prime Trilogy for the Switch has BEEN done, but they just haven't released it yet
7790d1 No.16075657
>>16075617
Are you going to buy it?
1f3469 No.16075662
>>16075435
Distance was released last year though.
7790d1 No.16075666
8d3cf7 No.16075706
>>16075634
>this came to the local arcade when released
>had the full-rig setup, the sorta lay-down couch thing with the rumbling seat
>end up getting pretty good at it
>always notice that for maybe one full minute after leaving the machine the rest of the world seems to be moving in slow-motion
God I miss arcades.
b95597 No.16076469
Isn't the new Redout game releasing pretty soon?
78203a No.16076484
I don't know anon, when the latest entry in your genre is a Mario game I don't think you can call it dead.
4f613e No.16076565
>>16075620
yeah it's good man
btw am i only the prick who has trouble with emulating it? the boost/health bars don't show up (to regenerate)
4f613e No.16076576
>>16075706
same, best i can find "locally" are lightgun games, which are good but it's not the same.
>after leaving the machine the rest of the world seems to be moving in slow-motion
miss that feeling
f22a29 No.16077232
>>16075435
>Let's make a Lego game with less building than Lego Island 2
What were the Drome Racers niggers thinking?
24229d No.16077259
>>16075435
is it even possible to play star wars racer on modern systems anymore?
24229d No.16077270
>>16077259
oh the game was re-released last year. nice.
4f613e No.16077286
>>16077270
controls are shit though man, decent game but i preferred the 2nd one on ps2 for the controls them self
5819a1 No.16078488
>>16075593
>>16075618
>>16075576
nintendo didn't make gx though, amusement vision did it with the monkeyball engine. maybe that working relationship soured later on or something. really the most suprising thing is that sega didn't just exploit that opening in the market & continue making their own fzero-style games.
3e2c90 No.16078645
>>16078488
This has been said many times yet people just keep speaking as if Nintendo made GX or can even make a F-Zero better than GX.They can't.
Last F-Zero game made by Nintendo alone was X or Maximum Velocity depending on how you want to look at it.
a77b51 No.16078651
>>16078488
>really the most suprising thing is that sega didn't just exploit that opening in the market & continue making their own fzero-style games.
<While not even close, it's rumored that all the assets and crew were then shuffled to make these
a77b51 No.16079109
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>>16075593
The thing about that video is that it sums up the game industry as a whole. They have absolutely no fucking clue why anyone even buys (Let alone plays) games. Back in the 70's and 80's, titles were mostly just computerized versions of carnival and tabletop games (At least, in principle). The 90's and 00's focussed more on delivering a competitive, challenging, and interactive experience and expanding upon established gameplay norms and perspectives. Meanwhile, what has this decade had to offer? Cinematic stories (Which was already done better back in the 80's on shoestring budgets), gachishit (Literally just those capsule machines at the mall/store in game form) and lootboxes, assfaggots (The need to play a 2 hour game that was decided already in the first 5 minutes), remakes up the ass (Because no one can actually develop shit today), and "diversity" everywhere because everyone needs to be represented (Unless that representation exposes people to a view outside of American Communost brainwashing).
6e28ab No.16079336
>>16075435
>Why is this such a dead genre
Nerds hate sports, which unfortunately extended to racing and flying. And normalfags grew up with FPS, instead of madden.
e25a59 No.16079352
>>16075593
Why do we need to do something new with F-Zero? There's a need to freshen up franchises that are in danger of getting stale, but we haven't had a new F-Zero game in about 15 years now. It would be fine to just make one. Give people better graphics, more tracks, and online multiplayer. That's all anyone wants.
Nintendo just don't want to touch it because F-Zero was always a niche franchise compared to Mario Kart, but they wont admit to that.
8297fe No.16079367
>>16075435
>Why is this such a dead genre
Because it's not, Shin'en Multimedia has been making awesome futuristic racing games since 2011. The only thing F-Zero has over their games is a more interesting universe and characters. Fast RMX is awesome, but emulate Fast Racing Neo on your PC before you try it.
53a545 No.16079386
>>16079367
>fast racing neo is a good racing game but for some reason some retarded ikaruga shit on top of the game
>Fast RMX is just a rehash of fast racing neo
>fast racing league is too busy being dead on the wii
e25a59 No.16079396
>>16079367
It's awesome, but it doesn't quite capture the intensity of F-Zero.
8297fe No.16079434
>>16079386
>fast racing neo is a good racing game but for some reason some retarded ikaruga shit on top of the game
Hate to break it to you, but all Fast games have the color swap mechanic. It's their way of trying to stay different from F-Zero.
>Fast RMX is just a rehash of fast racing neo
Duh, it's a Switch game. That's why I suggested OP to play it first.
>A game is dead because it isn't on the current gen console
Well excuuuuuse me, princess. You must own every single copy of Madden NFL.
>>16079396
I know anon, but the cold hard fact of the matter is that we haven't gotten a new F-Zero game in over 15 years and this is the closest we're going to get to another installment. Falcon and friends are going to be relegated to Smash and Mario Kart until anyone and everyone that remembers the F-Zero franchise in the golden heyday of Sega making a better Nintendo game than Nintendo is dead and buried. Rotten food might not be the most appetizing, but it's better than starvation.
8297fe No.16079438
>>16079434
>That's why I suggested OP to play it first.
Fuck. That's why I suggested OP play Fast Racing Neo first.
53a545 No.16079455
>>16079434
>wii shop exclusive
>rarely mentioned whenever someone mutters fast racing neo
it's super dead
the color swap mechanic is the dumbest idea even if trying to be different from f-zero, the dumb orbs you collect are different enough from f-zero both the SNES/GBA and X/GX line of games
8297fe No.16079479
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>>16079455
>rarely mentioned whenever someone mutters fast racing neo
If you're a fan of the genre then how about you find the games on your own. There are a bunch of good games out there for those that look for them.
>the dumb orbs you collect are different enough from f-zero
Are they really different enough to make the game fun though? Nobody remembers the WipeOut series because it was literally just Mario Kart items in an F-Zero-esque game. At least in the newer F-Zero games you could attack and destroy the other racers, potentially making it so that you could just kill everybody and win the race unopposed. Even if the Fast series made a unique way to fight other racers, it would still be compared to F-Zero.
53a545 No.16079500
>>16079479
Do you think the color swap mechanic is fun? You must have the reaction of a sloth to think it's some kind of 4-dimensional revolution, a monkey will bang its head as soon as it sees a different color, only someone with a thick enough skull cannot only remember the color they once was but cannot see the big ass blue / orange boost coming out of your ship's asshole.
Either-way it's not that similar to F-Zero because where's my blast turning? You can't just say "ooh it floats and uh has fast in the name er F-Zero is fast xddd", that's just a load of shit. Still a good game but shouldn't be compared to F-Zero since has different tech and some weird backwards driving you can do instead of snaking and flying through the map. It took them a while to figure out a minimap icon is a good idea, big brained enough to optimize a game, too smart to think of a map
8297fe No.16079536
>>16079500
>Do you think the color swap mechanic is fun?
Not really, just different enough to make the gameplay just slightly different enough to make the Fast games not a complete F-Zero copy.
>Either-way it's not that similar to F-Zero because where's my blast turning?
No, it's similar to F-Zero because of the space kart theme and the levels/boostpads/lap 2&3 voice. It's almost like the directors aren't even hiding the fact that their game is based on F-Zero and that's part of the reason that I like it.
>shouldn't be compared to F-Zero since has different tech and some weird backwards driving you can do instead of snaking and flying through the map
I want to agree with you, but I'm torn between wanting to bringing to light the fact that this popular franchise is a lot like F-Zero so that those money grubbing kikes at Nu-tendo try to defibrillate F-Zero franchise and just letting my childhood hopes of a good new F-Zero game being made die so that the Fast developers could dominate the ever niche market of space racing games.
9fa089 No.16079566
>>16075435
I'd guess it's not a popular genre because it's quite a very demanding one without other redeeming features.
If you're playing at slow speeds, you're not gonna have fun, period. But to reach high speeds, you need to be seriously good at the game, far more than in regular racing games.
This means that only a small handfull of people, who actually like the genre, the sub-genre and the aesthetics are actually gonna play it since they are the only ones that invest enough time to reach the proficiency required to have fun.
By "other redeeming features" I basically mean brand recognition or IRL counterparts. Primary reason why a lot of racing games get by is simply because it's players love IRL car's, enjoy looking at their chassis and compare brands and engines. It's a normalfag thing, but it's enough to keep them interested in a videogame as long as theyy get to drive their favorite cars from IRL.
Now zero G is just science fiction and not real to them. Sure, driving zero G ships is a lot more interesting and detailed than changing gear and spinning the wheel around… But it's not a real car and therefore 0 interest for them.
Basically, Zero G racing is yet another victim of high skill ceiling. It's low popularity is simply a perfectly natural consequence of it's demanding gameplay.
And before any turbo autist goes "It's actually very easy, git gud", compare it with other racing games like Need for Speed or Gran Turismo.
bf5aad No.16081523
>>16075620
You want a real challenge, try playing through the career without weapon or engine upgrades. The fucking micro mines will make your blood boil
c883a9 No.16081564
>>16079566
if racing sims are alive I don't see why futuristic racers can't be. do you think normalfags play racing sims?
039e99 No.16081602
99328d No.16099715
xg2>xg1>xg3>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>xgra
acae13 No.16099727
7003e5 No.16100464
What is the best Wipeout on PS1 and PSP?
c7e44a No.16100541
>>16081602
This. Soundtrack is bretty gud too.
665ffb No.16102931
>>16081564
Sims are played by hardware whales and semi pros practicing for work. Futuristic games don't move wheel setups.
22a899 No.16102965
>>16075483
>What could you do with it indeed besides making an HD, online capable remake?
Same thing you do with any other racer- add more cars, add more tracks, then do it again in a few years. The only reason I've stopped playing GX is because I've played all the tracks too many times to get excited by them.
22a899 No.16102976
>>16075617
>live in australia
>the country that gets fucking nothing good ever
>the arcade had two of them
83d629 No.16108175
>>16075593
>>16079352
<we can't do anything new with F-Zero, what can we do with it?
I'll admit that idea would make sense if it was a few years after the games release (trying to refine/improve while making a sequel slightly different) but since it been fucking 15 years/3 gens since the last F-Zero this should fucking even asked (gameplay wise) anymore apart from "what can we do with the current tech" which as everyone has mentioned would be online mulitplayer and a track creator like the F-Zero Expansion Kit.
bf5aad No.16114715
>>16079352
There is one thing we can add to F-Zero: verticality. Make the ships be able to move "up and down", for lack of a better word.
749086 No.16114722
Wipeout is only famous due to Sonyggers and their Sour F-Zero Grapes
ccc070 No.16127619
>>16099715
xg3>xg1>xg2>>>xgra
07e153 No.16127637
>>16114722
While I have nothing against F-Zero, f-zerofags sure complain a lot about WipEout at every opportunity.
Keep simmering in rage, though. WipEout is still alive and well with Omega. You have my pity.
21d635 No.16127648
fzero's dead as shit, really.
a77b51 No.16127664
>>16127637
>WipEout is still alive and well with Omega
<A game series is still alive and well because they made a port of the PSP and Vita games, canned the new Wipeout game that they began developing after they released 2048, and fired everyone involved with the series
07e153 No.16127685
>>16127664
They killed Liverpool (and many other developers) because the Vita failed due to Sony's incompetence. And Omega is a port of HD, not Pure and Pulse.
a77b51 No.16127693
>>16127685
>And Omega is a port of HD
And, Wipeout HD is a port of Pure and Pulse.
acae13 No.16127697
>>16127693
Not even close.
a77b51 No.16127721
>>16127697
>Under this glistening coat, however, WipEout HD remains staunchly traditional, and at its heart this is essentially little more than a reworking of the two PSP titles Pure and Pulse. The eight tracks that make up the initial roster – which are to be supplemented in the future with downloadable track packs – are culled from the handheld titles, as are the five game modes and indeed the game's core structure.
https://archive.fo/hnQRa
>Yet with WipEout HD the presentation and graphics are arguably the most important elements, since the gameplay is mostly a known quantity - with tracks and features ported across from WipEouts Pure and Pulse on the PSP.
https://archive.fo/acczP
>In some terms its easy to say 'it is a port'
https://archive.fo/BEkM1
07e153 No.16129083
>>16127721
WipEout HD takes tracks from Pure and Pulse, but that's it. It plays, looks and sounds differently than both Pure and Pulse. It's more of a remake than anything else.
A port is when you convert the exact same game to a different console than its native release. Such is the case with the PS2 port of WipEout Pulse, which was originally a PSP game.
24d139 No.16129206
>>16079367
Speaking of Fast Racing, I guess this the best place to ask.
My physical copy of Fast Racing Neo recently started to randomly crash, is there other cases of this or is this just a me problem?
665ffb No.16129254
What's a good Wipeout to start with? PS2 preferably
74c9e7 No.16129283
>>16129254
WipEout 2097 onwards, save for Fusion. You can skip that if you so choose.
665ffb No.16129339
d13757 No.16129414
I've been wanting to play Extreme-G again, that soundtrack in the first one was incredible. Which are the best for PC? Or do I have to download an emulator and ROMs instead of the PC games?
a59b80 No.16129420
>>16127648
But why screencap your own reddit post just to make that poor point?
07e153 No.16129427
>>16129254
The only WipEout games on the PS2 are Fusion and Pulse. The former is considered the worst in the series by pretty much everyone, and the latter is a mediocre port of the PSP installment.
The series has two "eras". The first three games are on the PS1, and play wildly different from Fusion and the second era.
If you want to start with the originals, try out 2097, then 3, then 3 Special Edition. They're considerably harder to master than latter installments.
If you want to start with the newer era, start with HD/Omega, and keep going from there.
Pic related is a bit outdated but it still got most things right.
bf5aad No.16129509
>>16129427
Why isn't WipEout 64 on that picture?
07e153 No.16129562
>>16129509
WipEout 64 is basically 2097 with no verticality/jumps because the N64 couldn't handle it for some reason.
868781 No.16129757
>>16075435
Wipeout fucking sucks it's the worst zero g I've ever played so I don't know why people praise it. Extreme g racing and star wars racer were the shit though.
07e153 No.16129794
>>16129757
Well then, why do you don't like it?
082e5e No.16130361
>>16075609
This most likely means that, after porting to new hardware, redoing the assets and marketing, it would not be worth it financially. Says a lot about F-Zero, really.
bf5aad No.16131440
>>16129414
There was only a PC remake for 2. I heard there were graphical glitches, though, so you'd probably be better off emulating it. I'd use dolphin for XG3 and XGRA, more hardware compatibility and the like. 1 and 2 you could use an N64 emulator easily.
c7261c No.16140186
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There is an issue where there's seemingly NO fictional racing games these days. What little there is are crappy indie stuff. I assume it's just not worth it to the big studios to make one over sims which sell.
e4c800 No.16140223
What is the best Wipeout and why is it 64?
e4c800 No.16140247
>>16075617
>>16102976
>see both a functioning vintage Space Harrier cabinet and a working F-Zero AX cabinet in some arcade in Bumfuck Nowhere, TX.
>remember the place one year later
>go to visit it and the arcade's already torn down
>tfw