a5c915 No.16071367
I don't mean shit games, but games that weren't as good as you were led to believe.
Okami is a perfect example of this. It's a fun game with interesting mechanics, but lets down in the hand-holding gameplay, waypoints leading you to every destination, the fact that the game shows you every single puzzle slowly and deliberately, giving you no chance to discover anything. Not to mention the generally fucky camera, the weird annoying RPG-style encounter system, the fact that every single fucking time you get an item, a textbox with the full description pops up (even worse than Twilight Princess reintroducing you to every denomination of money every time you turn the game on), and cutscenes after every single thing that happens, sometimes explaining the same fucking thing to you five times in a row. Even the cool drawing mechanics get irritating when you realize that half of the powers are "draw from this source to make a stream of this exact element" when the earlier ones were interesting and unique.
It's a good, fun game, but the hype would have you believe it was as good as the better Zelda games, but it's got many of the same issues that people have with the least popular two 3D Zeldas (Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword). The visuals are the best thing about the game.
1358d5 No.16071380
The problem with Okami is the sheer amount of people calling it "the best Zelda game ever!". It's a good game and all, but good job overselling it, idiots.
That kind of talk was mostly coming from Sony fanboys. Let's be honest here. It's like when people tried to convince themselve True Crime: Streets of LA was better than GTA, because it was on Gamecube.
dbe631 No.16071405
Imagine typing all that out only to say that you didn't like minor details about a game and seriously thinking this invalidates its most relevant qualities when compared to LoZ.
1358d5 No.16071407
>>16071405
What are it's most relevant qualities?
f2696a No.16071411
>>16071367
>lets down in the hand-holding gameplay, waypoints leading you to every destination, the fact that the game shows you every single puzzle slowly and deliberately, giving you no chance to discover anything.
I spent the first hour wondering when the tutorial would end and it would let me run free. It never happened
>Not to mention the generally fucky camera
I was never able to consistently get the camera to point in the direction I needed it to go.
>>16071407
Apparently its dungeons and talking to NPCs.
827257 No.16071413
>>16071367
It's a great game you pleb.
>>16071380
We all know the best zelda game is darksiders.
dbe631 No.16071415
>>16071407
For one thing, when I think about games like LoZ and Okami, I typically imagine fun and involved puzzle solving that extends not only to dungeons but also enemy encounters, especially boss fights.
Not /v/-tier complaints like "reeee this waypoint is pointing me to where I was told to go" or "fucking item descriptions"
a5c915 No.16071417
>>16071405
It doesn't invalidate its relevant qualities. I'm not saying the game is shit (I wouldn't have put 45 hours into it otherwise), but it's not as good as it's hyped up to be. The dungeons would be really nice if the puzzles weren't basically solved through heavy hinting before you even started. It's a decent game, but I don't think anything but nostalgia could put it into the "great" category.
1358d5 No.16071423
>>16071415
Those things do take away from the game though. It's annoying when the game presents you with a puzzle, and then tells you how to solve the puzzle before it gives you a chance to figure it out. Why have a puzzle?
f26c44 No.16071425
It's a Zelda game. All Zelda games are terrible.
f26c44 No.16071434
>>16071415
Zelda games do exactly the same thing but without the HUD marker. You have 4 exits from the main field. One needs a bomb, one needs a hookshot, one needs a bow, the other gives you the bow. Which order do you do these dungeons in? Whatever order unlocks after the bow is the one you're doing next. You're not discovering anything you're just following the same path with a little sidetracking to discover an area early
1358d5 No.16071435
>>16071434
And a good Zelda game does that without words, or big arrows on screen.
214c7c No.16071472
>>16071435
except no Zelda since Zelda II has actually done that. even link to the past had dialogue telling you where to go
1358d5 No.16071480
>>16071472
They don't tell you how to solve every puzzle in the game, before you have a chance.
548a40 No.16071570
>>16071480
BotW would like a word. Hell, let's just go full circle and nominate that game as some overhyped shit too.
f26c44 No.16071586
>>16071480
Actually it did. Almost every Nintendo game does this.
>Give player new item
>Item can be used safely right where you find it
>Must use it to progress in some
>After this puzzle players know how the tool works
>Players can now be assumed to be able to use the tool and how to solve every puzzle.
They will put you in a room you can only escape using a bomb or the hookshot when you find it, or a door next to it which you can only access with it. The game holds your hand the entire way through and you consider it acceptable because it doesn't put a flash light on it's wrist as it does it.
3e2e8b No.16071591
>>16071413
>spoiler
no, it's Alundra
8dcea6 No.16071883
Yeah, got it for the switch recently, and all the hype on /v/ was implying that it was essentially "Twilight Princess but better". Bullshit, every single puzzle is spoonfed to you, the game has cutscenes more excessive than MGS, and the ""dungeons"" are even more linear than TP.
Still not a bad game, just hate how hyped it was.
41a487 No.16071932
>>16071591
This faggot here knows what's up.
aeeede No.16072055
Hand holding became a problem, didnt it?
I remember brutal games my 6 yo hands couldnt react to. Now you have 5 markers, 6 text boxes and 10 tutorials at the same time, while a DLC ad pops out everytime you push start.
What the hell happened? Since when game developers assume we are shoe-on-head retarded? Is it so difficult to respect ones intelligence?
Im all in for explaining mechanics, but holy shit, let people interact with your game.
This new age has killed the sense of discovery and creativity. The best thing vidya ever had.
sage for blogpost
1358d5 No.16075380
>>16071586
Where as Okami will literally stop the game so Issun can tell you how to solve the puzzle.
8ad7b4 No.16075387
okami is more style over substance and you got to appreciate that for what it is
00d563 No.16075405
Bravely default. While it brings back a lot of classic JRPG mechanics that most JRPG creators stopped using (such as the job system for different playstyles), the game is way too damn long for it's own good, as well as how much of a grindfest it becomes just to not get one-hit killed by the bosses That you have to fight at least 4 more times after beating them once. I put 48 hours into the game, then learned that I wasn't even close to finishing it and realized what it was going to be putting me through. Got out while I still could.
3d16b8 No.16075415
>>16072055
>I remember brutal games my 6 yo hands couldnt react to.
to be fair, difficulty alone does not make for good game design and a lot of old games were needlessly difficult in order to pad out the game length(nowadays this is done using pointless collectibles scattered on the map, the ubisoft lengthener). a challenge has to have engaging mechanics to be fun.
nice dubs and ID btw.
2410f6 No.16075425
Dark Souls Demon's Souls is the best Zelda game out there. There's the designated virtue signalling.
Dark Souls is the second best Zelda game.
Okami is third best.
Majora's Mask is in fourth place.
Fight me.
3d16b8 No.16075431
>>16075425
you're completely correct if you only consider 3d zeldas.
26785c No.16075478
>>16071380
>The problem with Okami is the sheer amount of people calling it "the best Zelda game ever!"
But it is.
1358d5 No.16075486
1358d5 No.16075488
>>16075425
Souls doesn't really resemble the Zelda structure. Especially Demon's.
ad2e9f No.16075493
>>16071591
Nah it's Centy and Alundra__
269e18 No.16075512
>Okami
>Bad
I guess you couldn't handle the cuckchan resdesign, eh?
ad2e9f No.16075519
>>16075512
>cuckchan resdesign
Give me the gist, I'm not touching that shithole.
1358d5 No.16075535
>>16075512
No one said it was bad, smart man.
4d7d30 No.16075537
>>16075512
>I don't mean shit games, but games that weren't as good as you were led to believe.
214f79 No.16075546
All great games eventually get overhyped by constantly showing up on "best games of the year/system/console generation" lists, until people who haven't played them are led to expect perfection instead of what they really are: games that are just pretty damn good, nothing more. Add in personal preference and new players are going to be disappointed.
582c0a No.16075554
>>16075519
SFW boards got migrated to "4channel" so he's saying if you think Okami is bad then you migrated here because of it.
OP didn't say Okami was bad, just overrated.
4d3808 No.16075568
Oblivion. It was a fucking debacle. It will always be synonymous with the subject of this thread to me. Not even the memes really save it, because they're both pretty shitty and all too well known to normalfags at least pre-generation mazda.
b0c585 No.16075569
I wonder if Issun is more worse than Fi when it comes to handholding. Playing Okami on PS2 right now but haven't played Skyward Sword in ages.
9ba889 No.16075645
>>16075484
Think you're missing the point of those games
d710d0 No.16075720
gameplay was mediocre at best
4f9a6a No.16075728
>>16075720
I can't remember the last time I've seen actual praise of Nier Automata that didn't revolve around 2B's ass.
b6c954 No.16075943
>>16075484
SotC was alright for the first few bosses, but I just got bored of climbing on shit and stabbing the glowing weakpoint on the enemies. I kinda thought that the sword laser waypoint thing defeated the point of the game having no hud or map to tell you where to go.
ce274d No.16075956
>>16075728
To be fair, that's one oft the strong points.
a76837 No.16075963
228ee0 No.16075974
>>16071367
Isn't it pretty much all of them? Pretty much all games that are hyped up by normalfags and the mainstream media is a disappointment.
1256e7 No.16075975
>>16075720
mediocre is the wrong term, considering how often the core rule set changed between special levels it was definitely not mediocre
but it was ineffectual, the was no gravity to the combat
the game was WAY too easy outside of optional encounters because of autochugging and passive healing mods
6439dd No.16076001
>>16075645
>Ugh! You are just missing the deeper meaning on that interactive piece of art!
6439dd No.16076009
>>16075568
>1st pic
Is that Ulillillia?
550ebf No.16076010
>>16075943
>I kinda thought that the sword laser waypoint thing defeated the point of the game having no hud or map to tell you where to go.
Considering the fact that the bosses have to be done in a certain order, and that the map is kinda big, it had to give you something to guide your ass otherwise you would just wander aimlessly through the map, entering empty boss arenas(because it's not their turn) until you find the correct boss room. Even if you could do the bosses in any order you wanted, you would still wander aimlessly, and besides eating some apples, there's not much else to do. Finally it does feel a bit more unique than the minimap or magic compass most open world games have nowadays.
>but I just got bored of climbing on shit and stabbing the glowing weakpoint on the enemies.
Well they did spice things up with some gimmick bosses, like a flying bird, a flying sand snake, that you have to jump from your horse to grab on, a dune type worm you have to fight with the bow and arrow, while ridding your horse, a human sized bull you have to use torches in order to scare away, a giant that you have to climb on it's beard(I liked this one a lot). The bosses were more or less puzzles, and while it might not be everyone's cup of tea, I can respect their decision.
While I did enjoy the game, if it were released today, people(especially here) would complain that it's a 60 dollar walking simulator with 10 fights and that's it, and it's all about muh graphics, muh atmosphere and muh story.
ed1e2a No.16076033
>>16075425
>spoiler
When does that game start being fun? I've tried it 4 times now and have never been able to force myself past the third dungeon.
On topic, Sonic Adventure 2 gets way more praise than it deserves.
>>16071883
To be fair, "Twilight Princess but better" just means "above average."
3acf96 No.16076050
>>16075728
>Not playing for the ass
>>16076001
I think he meant that the best thing about certain games is not the gameplay or the quests.
In Oblivion & Skyrim, my favorite pastime was just wondering around, exploring, enjoying the vistas… excellent walking simulators.
>>16076033
The thing I liked the most of Twilight Princess was that you could skip the cutscenes, even the first time you saw them.
080918 No.16076118
>>16075720
The second you find a counter plug in you can break the game. It's not difficult in the slightest until bullshit end game non-sense. What makes Automata special is the environments. The desert town, the god cult and even the ruined city. The music and visual design come together to create a brilliant place to explore.
It's one of the best games I've ever played, but also one of the most flawed games I've ever played. Depending on the section it can show you what games CAN achieve in visual design. But it can also show you how to make very bad design decisions and make game play tedious around it.
It's a game that will hit incredibly highs and incredibly lows. If you enjoy the high points you will have a great time, but you may also hate the rest of it so much that it's not worth it. The only thing you couldn't call it is mediocre because even if you don't like it, it's too flawed to just be mediocre.
49f978 No.16076184
>>16071367
>nu/v/ shits on okami
How about no. How about you shitty millennial go back to cuckchan and talk about genders and raycism, since you like that better than vidyagems.
49f978 No.16076186
>>16076001
You can miss the point for entirely different reasons.
Sometimes the point is not that deep after all, as you say. But way more often, the user is just a complete cretin.
49f978 No.16076214
>>16075486
Good things which are usually forgotten about Okami.
1. The game contains 3 arcs, each worthy of being their own game. Maybe I'm stretching it for the last which I don't remember very well, but whatever: the first and second surely qualify. Lots of faggots were taken aback when they supposed the game would end with Orochi.
2. The revival sequences were an explosion of colours and jaw dropping marvel to the eyes. Okami came out at the beginning of the desaturated+bloom fad, making it an artistic statement against an overpowering cancerous period of gaming.
3. Knowledge of Okami is a good way of detecting the number one responsibles for the fall of gaming into total shit. The 360 generation. It's like a litmus test for kids who grew up with Call of Duty 4 and Halo.
fedec4 No.16076267
>>16076010
> if it were released today, people(especially here) would complain that it's a 60 dollar walking simulator with 10 fights and that's it
People here would defend it because it's a Japanese game
49f978 No.16076278
>>16075943
>dude I'm so intellectual gaymr
>why you keep jumping lol it's always da same shit
Every day I thank God for not being a millennial.
9fde88 No.16076293
I don't get hyped. Always found it retarded that they announce games years in advance.
I check game store or PSN once in a while and see if something interesting came out.
What is the point looking forward to games when you can play something today?
1358d5 No.16076302
>>16076214
So, gimmicks and not muh Call of Duty?
3a62e3 No.16076315
Breath of the Wild. Most hyped up game in history. A pile of brittle, repetitive garbage in actuality.
725851 No.16076321
>>16076293
if you play online games, you better buy them at launch, or you don't get the full experience
otherwise, yeah, getting hyped for single player games is retarded
a5c915 No.16076395
>>16076184
Every criticism is not "shitting on" something. Don't push everything to an absurd extreme. I've said multiple times that it's a good game and I liked it; pretending like I didn't is disingenuous and arguing in bad faith.
>>16076214
And literally not one of those things counters the things I criticized. The length of the game was good, but doesn't help much for a game that you spend the whole time moving waypoint to waypoint.
Okami has a lot of good aspects, but it's not flawless or perfect, and it's sure as shit not as good as people remember it being when they were 12.
64c704 No.16076412
>>16071367
Played it when it came out and never finished it.Then normalfags started talking about how it was the greatest game ever or something… maybe it was just weebs, i remember not liking the whole japanese aesthetic and history too.I wonder if instead it was a game that completely revolves around the Aztecs and their gods or some shit, it would had the same response.How can people just eat all the japs folklore and history in games is beyond me.
0292cd No.16076430
>>16076315
>repetitive
like all games ever then.
49f978 No.16076436
>>16076395
You just admitted you were 12 when Okami came out. Of course you think you didn't, but that's part of the magic of old folks reading into you like an open book.
Your confused and misguided criticism of a linear game, described as reaching waypoints, is caused by growing up with shitty 360 games full of handholding and mission objectives. Unless you unlearn this conditioning, you will always be fucked as a gamer.
I know, I know. You haven't read a word of this: in your brain, everything prior amounted to 'ur bad'. Shut up and read it again, because it's for your own good. You have to relearn what good gaming is, assimilating the classics as if you had never seen a videogame before.
3a62e3 No.16076465
>>16076430
What a vague strawman. Try again slick.
To be more precise, there was little to no enemy variety in Link's Brittle Adventure. Weapons were all the same shit with different paint. The story was the same repetitive "Oh dear, save us from the mechanical monster! Oh dear your friend has been dead for 100 years!" All of the shrines and dungeons were thematically identical, and even some puzzles were the same as prior ones, and every treasure chest contained worthless garbage that you'd very likely just leave behind anyway.
a5c915 No.16076495
>>16076436
>You just admitted you were 12 when Okami came out.
No I didn't. I was clearly implying that the love of the game comes more from nostalgia than serious quality. I was 17 when it came out. Stop trying to bullshit your way through a discussion and actually read what I'm saying.
The game literally gives you a waypoint for every story objective. What fucking world are you from where this game's waypoint following is somehow superior to other ones from the same era? If you disagree with what I'm saying, how about you actually counter my points instead of immediately dropping to ad hominem? It's next to impossible to address a post like yours that's trying to argue for something but still makes no points.
0292cd No.16076501
>>16076465
yeah all games are like that pretty much.
9b4561 No.16076655
>>16076050
>>16076186
>>16075645
> the best thing about certain games is not the gameplay or the quests
Then those are not good games
> You can miss the point for entirely different reasons
What point was in Journey besides some indie-shit "i'm 14 and this is deep" theme they were shoving down your throat for all 2 hours of gameplay (note, I also played their other two shitty games to the end). If you're referring to SotC, I too enjoy spending 5-10 minutes mindlessly running to the next piece of actual gameplay in a barren and empty world with shit-all to do. SofC is decent, but because of all the retards hyping it I was expecting something that wasn't so fucking boring 2/3rds of the time. ICO was a much better game.
Hyped games that are mediocre and unsatisfying to the extreme. So sorry any of you feel so deeply for your movies because they have pretty music and don't challenge you.
7d9352 No.16076952
>>16076321
PC has a bunch of online games that can last for a while but yeah most online games are ghost towns after a year.
So many gamers are ADD moneys hopping from game to game never finishing what they have. Tis sad.
fb26e7 No.16077043
>>16077032
>>16077021
The most retarded thing however is being Brazillian.
e89962 No.16077834
More of a case of retroactive hype. How in the actual fuck is this buggy, low-content, fundamentally-broken demo of a game so fondly remembered?
1358d5 No.16079313
>>16076436
>you are just Skyrim child :^)
Or people played older Zelda games that did the same thing better than Okami.
f5bbc3 No.16079385
>>16077834
>How in the actual fuck is this buggy, low-content, fundamentally-broken demo of a game so fondly remembered?
For coming before Fallout 3, the greatest game ever, and for using GURPS, the greatest /tg/ meme ever.
fc17ba No.16079517
>>16076001
Could be the case, but i meant it more in the sense those games are not exactly supposed to be fun in the normal meaning of the word yet they're still worthwhile to play, not speaking about any deeper meaning or anything.
>>16075720
How can people be so wrong, i'll never understand
8344d3 No.16079524
>>16079517
>nier automata
>implying people didnt only buy the game for 2Bs ass
dont think there where that much Nier fans before automata
fc17ba No.16079531
968804 No.16079533
>>16079524
There weren't, and they probably never went back to play Nier since redditfags tell them to skip it because of "dated gameplay", even though the story, music and characters are much, much better than Automata.
b5f579 No.16079570
>>16075720
After the honeymoon period, nobody gave a shit. Everything Automata did, Replicant did better. The gameplay was just Replicant's with some more polish and some clicks & whistles glued on, to boot. It only got popular because 2B's ass, Taro wacky moon man meme, and stupid normalfags gobbling that shit up.
Good atmosphere and sound direction, though.
e3c7d9 No.16079592
>>16075720
Biggest problem is the rpg mechanics. If you're overleveled everything dies way too quickly and if you're underleveled nothing ever staggers.
e3c7d9 No.16079594
>>16079524
There were some of us, but we've been drowned out by all the bandwagon hopping faggots by now.
d4b36c No.16079626
Morrowind. Everything about the game is terrible. Terrible combat, ugly art design, poorly designed boring copypasted dungeons, big empty world, boring quests. Seriously, fuck that game.
af24f3 No.16079636
>>16079626
This.
The best part about the game is the lore.
Most of the quests are FETCH QUEST & KILL THAT PERSON quest.
75b3a3 No.16079640
>>16079617
This. Video Games were never good. There are no good games. They are all mediocre trash at best.
9f3b3f No.16079643
>>16079640
>>16079617
wtf I hate video games now.
af371b No.16079648
>>16079617
wow /v/ is filled with casuals
968804 No.16079657
>>16079654
I have no fucking idea what cuckchan was thinking when they put together that list.
5d5780 No.16079659
>>16079657
popularity polls are always a mistake.
6e40c4 No.16079868
>>16079654
>God Hand at 100
>>16079659
>popularity polls are always a mistake.
Taking popularity polls seriously IS, but they're awesome when you get to interact with people who know how to have fun
b099df No.16080115
fb26e7 No.16080146
>>16080145
shit, second pic was supposed to be this
78a2de No.16082254
>>16080215
Fucking fags who didn't want to vote against their waifu ruined it though.
fb26e7 No.16082298
1fa454 No.16082305
>>16082241
are you literally copy pasting your own comments now? lazy man, lazy.
e89962 No.16082370
>>16082254
Fucking newfags missing the point.
ba997f No.16100013
>>16071367
Completely dated and inferior to supcom FA in every way.
6264f1 No.16100051
>>16071367
>another unpopular opinion thread
3543b1 No.16101780
>>16075512
nigger he didn't say it was bad but it was just good, not the best game ever like a lot of people say
fc2117 No.16104687
>>16076214
>#2 is literally being entertained by pretty colors
>#3 is console war retardation
lmao