/v/ - Video Games

I don't want one considering how Intelligent Systems is not allowed to do with the series what they want to do.

I'd like them to be RPGs again, not abortions like sticker star and color splash.

I want the series to go back to being actual RPGs again instead of whatever the fuck they tried doing with the combat.

for it to not be shit.

>>16012557

A Captain Toad RPG would a refreshing change at this point. He's got better reasons to go to dungeons and do RPG things than Mario does.

Either that or finally do Super Wario RPG.

It doesn't matter, since it'll end up being a dumping ground for the Treehouse to shit in.

Hammer and paint was the best part of any paper mario ever I guess keep the battle system it doesn't really matter just give me hammer and paint

>>16012660

>IS puts in hard mode

>is still no match for danger mario

Never tried a playthrough with that build, just might

>>16012533

Reminder that someone at Intelligent Systems straight up said that if you want Mario RPG just play Mario & Luigi

wished i had the video

>What do you want from a Paper Mario on the Switch?

I don't. All of them were shit, they were just shit in different ways. Instead, Alphadream should just unfuck Mario and Luigi.

I don't want another Paper Mario.

>>16012951

The problem is, when you neuter the gameplay mechanics of PM and get Sticker Star or Color Splash, what's the point? If those two games aren't RPGs, then what are they? At least SPM had a deep story, memorable characters and unique gameplay. SS and CS have nothing. They fail as RPGs, as story-driven adventures, as action games, and as puzzle-solving games.

Imagine if you're about to make a delicous burger, but Shigeru Miyamoto comes and tells you to replace the meat with shit because the next kitchen over is also making burgers.

How quickly people forget the Iwata Asks interview about Sticker Star:

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/papermario/0/1

>Miyamoto sinking the original form because he said it's "too much like TTYD"

>Devs being so creatively bankrupt that under the "no new characters" Shiggy mandate the most they could come up with were one Wiggler and Toadspam

>Kudo: Well, as mentioned before, the mechanics present new challenges and the gameworld represents a new start.

We worked hard so that this game would become the new standard for future Paper Mario games

>>16012951

I have you covered anon. For the record, the bitch said at 3:00 and at 6:50:

>Gamexplain: "Something fans noted about Sticker Star is that it focused primarily on traditional mushroom kingdom characters and that there was a lack of new characters. So can we expect to see any new characters in Color Splash, or is it focused more on the mushroom kingdom again?"

>Risa Tabata: "You'll see lots and lots of Toads, but as you talk to them you realize 'oh, these are all completely different people!'. Like, even if you see one Toad in town, and then, when you meet that Toad in another place, you'll know they're the same Toad because of the way they talk and what they talk about."

>Gamexplain: "Will Color Splash include any traditional RPG elements like the first two Paper Mario games?"

>Risa Tabata: "So you know about the Mario and Luigi games, right? So since we already have that series of games that's more of a straight up RPG, we feel like it would be a shame if we weren't doing something that was more different and that was giving something to the customers. And I think that what people like about those original Paper Mario games was, as you say, the RPG elements, but there was also the colorful characters, the puzzle solving, and the humor. So in the new games we're focusing more on the puzzle solving aspects and the humor"

The original form of Paper Mario 3DS, before it got ruined. RIP Chain Chomp partner

>>16012524

>More Marioshit

I'd actually like to see Nintendo (or hell anyone) do something completely original for once instead of relying on established characters/settings and just giving them a new hat.

>>16012524

>Stop trying to homogenize the characters in the game to fall in-line with the mainline series. One of the things that made Paper Mario stand out was its variety in characters (though I didn't care for the ones in Super in the slightest, in fact hating them quite a bit)

>Make use of existing Paper Mario characters. I can respect Miyamoto's wishes to not add a thousand donuts to the series but there are still perfectly good donuts from the previous games

>Less emphasis on the "Paper" part. That might sound a bit strange but I feel like they put too much weight on the "LOL they're paper" in the newer games

>>16012951

>>16013116

>that if you want Mario RPG just play Mario & Luigi

The depressing part about this shit is that no one complained about having M&L and PM coexist as RPG Mario games, no one complained about "too many Mario RPGs". Part of the reason they were probably allowed to coexist would have been their console vs handheld platform separation and then the 3DS ended that with PM:SS.

What's annoying about this ''only one Mario RPG series can exist" idea is that why didn't Nintendo apply it to other genres? Why was ExciteTruck and DK Jungle Racer allowed to exist when they had Mario Kart?

>>16012524

tbh let me say that switch is a great console and you should buy one

i bought one and i am not regretting it it's fun

I want it to brick the console.

>>16016118

You have to reach kind of far to prove your point. No one exactly gives a shit abour ExciteTruck. At the very least, nowadays, Nintendo doesn't really allow more than one series in the same genre exist nowadays, hencewhy F-Zero is also dead. The only exception I can think of is 2D Platformers, of which they have Yoshi, DK and Mario.

>>16016146

F-Zero is dead because their games (and subsequently their sales) were lacking. I'm salty about it too but it's just a reality that you have to face.

>>16016118

>Why can series A and series B have a game in a certain genre but series A can't have offshoot A, offshoot B, offshoot C, […] in a certain genre?

>>16016157

So are the sales of Metroid and Star Fox, but they still pulled those out of their asses. Pikmin never sold, and they made a third one. Sales are only an argument when they're good, hencewhy Nintendo can have three corresponding platformers at the same time - at least two of them were Wii U best sellers.

If Nintendo suddenly decided that they NEED a 30 player racing game to show off online, or whatever other reason, they'd make an F-Zero, and past failures would not dissuade them. They simply don't see a need for it, because in their mind, they already have an online multiplayer racing game.

>>16016127

>came into thread no like now mad.jpg

Why not just fellate a shotgun?

>>16013123

What's most frustrating about this is that it shows that IntSys still has skilled developers but they were forced by the higher-ups to butcher their own creation and turn potential gold into shit. They could clearly make great games but just aren't allowed to.

Super Paper Mario is one of the most under rated vidya of all time and it's because TTYD fags can't accept a mario without JRPG combat.

>>16019192

Then they should have gotten rid of the NSMB type games and replaced them with SPM type platformers and STILL given us proper Paper Mario games.

>Super Paper Mario is one of the most under rated vidya of all time and it's because TTYD fags can't accept a mario without JRPG combat.

>Doom: The Dating Sim is one of the most under rated vidya of all time and it's because Doom 2 fags can't accept a Doom game without FPS combat.

That's what you sound like.

I don't own a Switch, because I'm not a soyboy consumerist whore. Also the only good Mario RPG was the first one.

>>16019290

Bad analogy faggot.

>>16019294

The Switch is literally the only current console with games worth playing.

>>16019192

>Bad analogy

No it's not. Completely changing the genera of a sequel is probably going to cause existing fans to respond with, at best, confusion and disappointment.

>>16019384

Y-you too?

>>16019192

SPM was rightfully considered shit because it took the worst aspects of both platformers and JRPGs and none of the good ones. Why the fuck would I want to play a slow, stiff and extremely simplistic platformer?

>>16019337

It's also a piece of shit with paid online. You would have to be utterly retarded to support shitty hardware with objective downgrades. Nintendo certainly isn't a company that deserves to be supported either.

>>16019403

>It's also a piece of shit with paid online

So like every console then? And it's also much cheaper than the paid online for other consoles.

Also

>playing games online

>>16019192

Not sure if bait but Super had lazy as fuck design from its characters to some of the chapters being obviously rushed or something, for example 6-1 where you have to fight 20 or so easy battles against samurai or some shit and it takes like half an hour.

>>16019337

Good point. Except that if you own any 'current' system, you're a retarded fucking cuckold.

>>16019495

It wasn't.

>>16019435

>So like every console then?

Yeah, because you absolute fucking retards keep supporting shitty business practices, meaning they keep getting worse. Imagine this:

>"hey whoever the fuck is the current president, we should have paid online like the other complete dumpster fires of consoles

<consumers have brains and decide to not support sinking standards

>"well the consumers said they refuse to support paid online, since the sales figures are in single digits we will have to remove paid online/make a console without it"

Yes, it sure would be nice if fucking cavemen like you had the brains to not come up with shitty excuses ("but the others are lowering their standards too!") and use them to support objective downgrades. Don't bother responding, I already know that you're just going to display your idiocy by attempting and failing to justify your corporate overlords fucking you in the ass.

>>16019526

Posting a smug anime doesn't win arguments, you intellectual midget.

>>16019561

No, because amygdala dysfunction is exclusive to commies.

>>16019503

You are wrong.

>>16019597

I'm not, but please, make your case.

>>16019605

You first, nigger.

>>16019617

That's not how logic works, friend.

A completely different IP instead of shit that's been made for decades now.

>>16019634

No that is how it works. You asserted that a game that was very popular and much beloved, both here and in the wider population, is shit. You provided no points to back up your claim what so ever. THEN you say prove that it wasn't shit instead.

That's not how anything fucking works.

Put up or shut up.

>>16019760

You can't prove a negative, you stupid faggot. I asserted that the game isn't as good as people claim. The claim is that the game is good. You have to substantiate that before anything else.

>>16019767

PROVIDE REASONS WHY YOU THINK THE GAME IS SHIT

>>16019774

The partner system is retarded shit for faggots. Your turn.

>>16019819

>That an RPG has a party?

Having a second member isn't a party, you retarded fuck. Mario RPGs after the SNES game are the most simplified baby shit that exists. The fact that you swallow this tripe proves that you have no taste, and you will swallow anything including my cum

>>16019826

>including my cum

Well at least I got you to admit that you have no real argument and are just shitting the thread up.

>>16019873

I knew you would cling onto that instead of substantiating your own argument. Congrats, retard.

>>16012524

i want a paper mario game that does not play like sticker star and also is not made as a cash grab, and is made with some actual passion behind it unlike sticker star

its okay if they change the formula like they did with SPM(it doesn't have to be like SPM) as long as its still good, unlike sticker star, color splash, and paper jam

>>16012524

>>16019898

no, wait

its been a long time since we've had a 3-PC-combatants at once mario JRPG; one of those would be nice too, as long as the gameplay and atmosphere and writing and music are made with some actual passion AND talent behind it

>>16019874

An active party of 2 is still a party.

The rest of what you typed has no substance so doesn't require rebuttal or comment.

>>16019910

>The rest of what you typed has no substance so doesn't require rebuttal or comment.

It does, and you should feel bad about pretending that it doesn't.

>>16019928

>you retarded fuck. Mario RPGs after the SNES game are the most simplified baby shit that exists. The fact that you swallow this tripe proves that you have no taste, and you will swallow anything including my cum

>this has substance

>>16019938

It has more substance than you literally empty-quoting me and feeling smug, you stupid fuck.

>>16019944

A long stream of insults that amount to saying no more than "I hate Paper Mario" isn't substance. Of course if you just came out and said "I hate Paper Mario" then that would be a final definite statement ant then you wouldn't be able to shit up and derail this thread.

>>16020014

>I actually substantiated my argument

Where?

>>16020025

A vast majority of JRPGs have a 3 person active party. How is one less member "baby oversimplication" as you put it?

1) Make the writing good. In other words, original characters and not entirely relying on paper jokes

2) Make it so there is actually a reason to fight enemies.

If they made Super Paper Mario 2, I'd be perfectly happy because it would actually adhere to these rules.

I get them changing the combat because it is essentially just M&LRPG's but with less going on. Just change it to something good and don't remove every other RPG element.

>>16020055

First of all simplification ≠ oversimplication. Second having fewer people in an active party doesn't even mean simplification. Paper Mario in many ways is much more complex than most JRPGs since battles are more complex than pressing X and occasionally menuing.

>>16020074

see

>>16020072

I like a traditional Paper Mario, but if it HAS to have TCG elements then can the TCG be with collecting partners as cards instead of Mario's basic moves? I want the badge system back more than anything.

>>16012989

Could always transplant the chips of a Mii Fighter amiibo into the base of a lewd figurine. It's as close to a Vivian amiibo as we're going to get.

>>16020082

>Having less variables is the very definition of simplification

1. Simplification isn't necessarily oversimplification

2. Simplification isn't always bad.

3. Reducing one variable isn't simplification if other variables are increased or added.

4 Weren't you just banned for 2 hours?

>>16020178

>Please assuage my ignorance.

Lurk 2 years before posting.

These games are soy incarnate

>>16012524

Since Paper Mario seems to be verboten at Nintendo for the moment, I wonder if a Paper Pokemon would fly? Since the partners in PM function much like pokemon do.

Actually what I'd really like to see would be something like a Smash Bros. RPG.

Paper Mario is an RPG that gets rid of RNG like accuracy and evasion in favor of action command input for the most part. Some badges are RNG based like Close Call avoiding attacks half the time when HP is 5 or less. Paper Mario is still an RPG in stats and strategy. The fact that Potato Motor wanted to get rid of the story in favor of making the game an action trading card game is just sad. Since there's no handheld/console split with the Switch, I don't have hopes for a new Paper Mario game being good. That is unless Fire Emblem Mary Sue whore can fuck off from directing Paper Mario.

ive never played sticker star or color splash because id prefer they use a more unique setting. theyve shown me their best and i want more of it.

but maybe just as concerning is the complaints ive seen about the battle system, whats wrong with it exactly? why does card rpg work in slay the spire but not here?

>>16012619

I've always had this idea for a Toad themed RPG called Toad Town where you play as a customizable Toad that explores different randomly generated top-down dungeons. The Dungeons would be focused on puzzle solving and stealth as well as befriending the creatures of the caverns to help solve problems. You'd spend the coins and treasure you'd find in these dungeons on accessories for your avatar or items for your customizable toad house (which other players could visit). The game would be a mix of Animal Crossing, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and Pokemon Ranger.

>>16013167

But they have, Splatoon and Arms show they're willing to experiment. I'm sure we'll start seeing more new IPs from them this generation, too, now that they have the money to splurge on giving newer talent a chance to show what they can do.

>>16024312

>Master

Man I remember fucking up the start of PM really hard as a kid. I missed the dialogue about Merle telling you to come see him if there's a problem, so I got stuck when the "Toads" wouldn't let me out of town because it was "too dangerous". So my 8 year old brain thought that I just needed to get some kind of proof of strength. That meant I needed to beat the Master at the dojo! I grinded until monsters stopped giving me experience and I still couldn't beat him