/v/ - Video Games

>>16005076

>What is it about games from the before the turn of the millennium that have a sort-of…"charm" to the designs and the direction with the graphics?

it's called nostalgia and selective memory. you only remember the good stuff that makes you reminiscent of times when you had fun.

>>16005099 (checked)

it isn't uncommon for things similar to those you remember fondly to make you feel nostalgic, nintendo and other companies bank on this when making new stuff. you can also feel nostalgic about stuff you never experienced first hand, like being born in a specific era that you think is better than the one you are living(e.g. born in le wrong generationfags).

I'm saying you're being nostalgic mostly because you mention a certain charm, rather than any specific visual design qualities games may have had in the past. and for that matter, none of the games you have posted have notably great visual/artistic design, exception being SH3 of course.

>>16005120

>I'm saying you're being nostalgic mostly because you mention a certain charm,

Or he can't actually describe the quality which sets older games apart from whatever games he first played, that is a thing. Plus selective memory does not make a valid explanation for anything within 3-4 years of when you experienced it, if you have memories of things you experienced like it was 1-2 decades ago and it's only been 1-3 years you may have some serious problems you need to look into.

>>16005140

i remember reading that they really lucked out with HP's artist, and they didn't want to spend as much on HCS. apparently they're going back to their old artist for HP2

>>16005131

>Or he can't actually describe the quality which sets older games apart from whatever games he first played, that is a thing.

maybe, but doom 3 and second sight are hardly examples of great art styles in video games. and assuming OP isn't 10yo he probably played games in 2004.

I don't know about you OP, but when I go looking up the oldest doujins released around 2007 on sadpanda I can barely find anything fappable because of the average quality of the faces which all look like the first picture and all those fucking ugly mushroom dicks, you're a thousand times more likely to find something better nowadays now that most artists have figured out anatomy and how to draw dicks

You still get shit like in the second picture in a lot of mainstream anime where people want to play it safe, though Nagi Ryou (artist of the remake in the second picture) is more of a special case in his soulless designs and sameface as I'm 90% certain he's deeply depressed to be able to keep churning out shit like this, his Ar Tonelico designs were nowhere as bad as this

>>16005076

OP you are a nigger.

>>16005095

The leather bimbo is better and you know it. And in the first two left pictures she looks cuter.

Plus i'm offput by the fucking jelly skin almost every modern anime uses for some reason, i can really only stand it when it's not too obvious

>>16005076

The first one, it's like a study in anime cel-animated versus cgi. Everything is more detailed and more "alive" in the left example, where the right is unnaturally stiff and washed out. She's also been quite noticeably transformed from a woman into a 14-year-old girl, for some reason. You can call that either "moe" style or the Disneyfication of the world, where even adults are proportioned like children.

>>16005076

>Even when some of the processes stayed the same

3D games in particular have drastically changed in the process of asset creation and rendering since 2004.

>>16005221

Life experience is expensive. I cannot imagine the average person interested in making anime in Japan having a lot of low-effort, high-paying jobs that would afford the ability to dick around constantly to build up a wealth of experiences to draw from. Another part of the reason games have gone to shit, too. Nobody can afford to have adventures, so they only write about the fictitious experiences they've witnessed.

>>16005076

There is no charm, it's the same slightly-off proportions bioshock infinite uses. You're wearing nostalgia goggles.

>>16005235

>Nobody can afford to have adventures, so they only write about the fictitious experiences they've witnessed.

A guy sleeping out of his car in Texas for a week gave us Deus Ex, someone being homeless in LA for a month gave us VTMB. It's not expensive to do this, modern devs just don't want to.

>>16005248

>It has inadvertently caused great harm to society by conditioning people to only be workers.

That's been the primary purpose of schools since the WWII. However, it didn't come into actual fruition until the 80's.

>Do you think if the shit hit the fan right now anyone that had a formal education would make it out?

https://archive.fo/xWHTW

<A recent report issued by Burning Glass and the Strada Institute finds that 43% of recent college graduates are underemployed in their first job out of college. Of those, two-thirds are still underemployed after five years, and just over half remain so after ten years. By contrast, just one in ten graduates who land a first job appropriate to their skill level slip into underemployment after five years.

>>16005076

It wasn't at the turn of the millennium, you're either underage or have bad memory. It was precisely at the 7th gen that graphics started to be hot garbage, compounded by the fact that every hack dev used UE3, the engine that produced the worst, ugliest graphics of all engines.

>>16005235

>fictitious experiences they've witnessed

So they're not fictitious.

>>16005303

More like their exaggerations because the people telling these stories have a just as pathetic, if not more so, life than the people hearing the story. Keep in mind that almost all the people who post those "breathtaking" stories and pictures on Cuckbook all had it happen during a weekend "vacation" from work (That they had absolutely no control over when it happened, and are already broke beyond belief, but "It's a vacation so let's dig ourselves een deeper into debt by 'exploring the world'."), and they try to drag it out for an entire year to make their life sound exciting.

I was there, man. I even watched Microsoft trot around box design with jap designers looking like they were about to catch a neck. It hasn't gotten prettier. Design by committee, focus groups, on and on. Homogenized to Hell and back. That fat wad of marketing budget isn't just for money laundering and commercials.

>>16005265

>That's been the primary purpose of schools since the WWII. However, it didn't come into actual fruition until the 80's.

You retard, training kids to be factory workers has been the goal of education since the Prussians established the pattern in the late 1700s. Kids grouped by age moving between classrooms to a bell is called the Prussian model.

>>16005076

Sometimes it's technology, sometimes it's a differeent artist.

>>16005391

I don't know about you, but I've had an ass full of children pretending to be adults and adults pretending to be children. It's not cute, it's the epitome of the NPC meme. There's just a mile of bullshit parroting coming out of anyone under ~25 that just sounds like a fucking twitter feed. A bit off topic, but not really.

>>16005131

Yeah this. Sure nostalgia exists but it annoys me how people say that because of that you can't ever judge anything objectively. I can bring up so many arguments irrelevant of nostalgia to say that games made up until the early 00s were better than shit made today. This whole shit just smells like limp-dicked excuses, like hipsters saying that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie because "Star Wars was never that good anyway!".

>>16005402

An art style is an art style. It does not change with time. That is why it is educated and not just shit smeared vaguely around.

>>16005404

People generally understand that on some level. I've only ever met one guy who was vaguely autistic and believed the complete opposite of that, thinking that stylized games belong in the trash and that only realistic art styles matter and somehow don't look obsolete in a few years due to technology.

>>16005404

>>16005402

Fuck, I misread that post. I thought it was saying "he can describe the quality".

So yeah, that was an example of "you can't describe anything objectively" bullshit too. No wonder games and everything else for that matter can easily get shittier and shittier when that mentality is in play.

>>16005447

what the christ

>>16005076

>Tell someone how modern trendy thing is shit

<Asked how you can think that or told you're wrong

>Explain how something is objectively shit and, even for its flaws, past thing(s) tried to grow the medium instead of cash out

<Blank stares, rolled eyes, "why are you thinking so hard," "well, I like it," "you do you," or any number of non-argument excuses how critical thinking is bad and trends are good (because they wouldn't be trendy otherwise, right? :^))

>>16005140

>>16005144

Their games are absolute dogshit regardless, though.

Because it takes time and effort to make a game look actually distinct.

>>16005076

old's expressions in first pic are a lot more expressive. going from that, we can conclude that old art style is objectively better.

>>16005161

nice but the roof needs some sort of detail. the flat red is breaking the picture.

>Even when some of the processes stayed the same, it seems like everything related to creating "appealing" graphics was thrown out the window after 2004.

This and lack of creativity. The people who are doing art direction are tumblr fanfic tier idiots who couldn't create an aesthetic that isn't derivative.

>>16005140

I actually liked the art style in huniecam. What a shame the rest of the game was trash filled with literally whoring and STD.

>>16006203

The porn was mediocre and the game mechanics were nothing new. I wouldn't say it's dogshit, it's just mediocre. Also, the story is shit.

>>16006203

CUTE GIRL BAD

Simple models=visual clarity.

>>16006328

>Cause changing trends, devs pushed to constantly outdo themselves and innovate, subsequently not necessarily doing what they're best at.

>Pandering to the lowest common denominator with increasingly high polycounts

That's a really counter productive way to "innovate". If you appeal to the common denominator you will not innovate. Furthermore, innovation =/= complete change.

>>16006343

That's the point.

Innovation while trying to pander to mouthbreathers is hard.

>>16005184

>better nowadays…how to draw dicks

Faggot

>>16005184

>mushroom dicks

Because most artists didn't bother due to it being censored out. Same with the actual vagina. It was drawn to be censored and seeing it uncensored makes you wish it was recensored.

Profit vs. Art. They would rather cut corners than try to make the effort to make something unique visually. Do you think there are that many people who would go through the effort like the people behind Cuphead to emulating something in the old style and done in the old way? There are not enough people in the world who would take such a gamble like that.

>>16005184

Why are you talking about doujins, we're talking about videogames here.

>>16005140

why cant they just make good old 80's western art instead?

>>16006248

When you were in school, how many kids would ask to go to the bathroom just to skip 5-10 minutes of class?

Get caught and it ruins it for everyone else who may not be lying about needing to go.

>>16008529

I have one of his artbooks on a shelf.

>>16008556

Langrisser/Growlanser, or lewds?

>>16008529

Does he even do anything anymore?

>>16005076

The first picture just demonstrates superior contrast on the left. The one on the right uses gradients more casually, and draws things to appear more flat. When it comes to the rest of the pictures, I feel like modern 3d games are in some sort of 'gaming uncanny valley'. Things looked the best when they were approaching a point where we could clearly identify with everything and were being given sufficient details. But then, nobody ever really got over the hurdle of making things truly indistinguishable from real life, while continuing to make the effort.

This picture (>>16006216) is such a perfect example. They tried so hard to cross that boundry and make realistic characters, but instead, all you can do is look at it and subconsciously notice certain details are missing. You realize you're looking at something that isn't quite human. But when you look at the third picture in the OP, you don't get that feeling. Your mind isn't focused on how jagged the jacket looks on his shoulders, or how you can count the polygons in his dress shirt collar. Your mind looks at it and acknowledges that it's a man shaking his head. The facial details aren't perfect under close inspection, but it's enough to represent a human, as opposed to trying to convince you that it truly is a human. The facial details actually exist because they're not falling back on realistic shaders and lighting effects to try and deliver an impossible experience.

>>16008655

I never had access to most anime since I don't live in the US so even internet was quite rare, then dial-up came and I was able to see some stuff, then someone began selling anime stuff and I bought the book.

>>16005089

That's a jew argument

>Britain was never good, you might think rape gangs are bad but it was always that way

>Actually Britain was always black, no white people ever lived there

I've played games from eras I've not experienced and they still the artistic merit and talent on displays blows modern video games out of the water.

>>16005221

He really was disgusted by the idea of a computer taking the place of animators.

>>16005248

The modern school system is based on the Prussian military school system, designed to create loyal soldiers, not philosophers or free-thinkers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

>>16005089

fuck you.

>>16008781

Britain was never good but not because of rape gangs. You can't be the jew capital of the world and still be good.

What's the game in the last pic tho

>>16008832

not sure but I'm certain it is PS1/PS2 era

There is something I don't quite like of certain non-heavily stylized artstyles that were so typical between the 90s and up to the 2010s. Many games just looked like muddied shit, where every single color was way darker than it should, and in many times, it was desaturated. This created low contrast between different pieces of the scenario, which made for a very uninteresting experience, and that is if they decided to add some contrast to enemies, because otherwise it was just a terrible experience all around.

You are going to kill me for this, but Quake's color palette was terrible. Even Horizon Zero Dawn's palette looks better, despite everything else in that game looking and playing like shit.

>>16008861

low res textures often look like muddy shit on modern displays. quake is from an era where CPUs handled graphics and 600x400 CTR monitors where the standard.

>>16008891

>CRT monitors

>>16005076

1st image

right

>more contrast

>higher saturated color palette

>more variation in eye shape given facial expression

>high range of values as seen in the latex leggings

>glass table is both extremely transparant to reveal the detail underneath and reflective

left

>less

>lower

>less

>low range of values

>glass table is foggy

>>16005235

>Life experience is expensive.

The opposite really. If you've been in an high school art class, there's on average a difference between what the middle class kids draw (usually cartoons, pop culture, anime) and the lower class kids draw.

>>16008886

You can make hellish landscapes with pretty much any palette. Having dark brown walls on pretty much every level, with dark brown floors and ceilings, and only the occasional bright red or deep black detail was just lazy.

>>16008891

No, it's not the resolution, in this case. Quake textures have actually held up well, despite the tiling being terribly obvious. Muddy games still looked fairly muddy even back then, though, just less obviously. I specifically remember GTA San Andreas trying too hard to be "realistic brown".

>>16005076

Despite all the other shit the thing that strikes me the most is that they didn't even manage to capture the basic progression of emotions from the one on the left

>distracted

>pleasantly surprised/caught off guard

>embarrassed she let her feelings show so easily

>re-composed

Just the images alone tell a story, the one one the right fails at even that.

>>16008567

He has a recurring gig with COMIC Masayo where he does their Cover art and I believe he also releases an on going hentai series through them. Other than that he's pretty much retired because he has some issue that affects him. I think it's sever carpal tunnel.

There isn't a lot of demand for his style anymore. Plus, he's one of the few that still hand draws and paints everything so most traditional studios (anime and game) won't hire him because he comes with a hefty price tag.

I think what's really sad is people were so upset with the new Langrisser designs that the developers gave Urushihara a Supervisory role with the character design staff. What this really means is they hired him, gave him some important sounding title, and then for the sake of quelling the angry masses, sent him out to a bunch of interviews where he praised the new artwork and art direction.

>>16008979

Nice, thank you.

>>16009073

>not building your own opinions

I like you Socrates, and I know ehat you actually meant by that, but in today's climate, that's the best way to raise sheeple.

>>16009134

If you don't come to your own conclusions, you don't exist.

>>16005396

>Image for that url

I didn't know things had gotten so bad.

i guess the art, character, environment direction is so good it makes an old game look like its years ahead

Silent Hill 3 is great example

>>16009064

Can't tell if serious.

If so10/10 raged really hard.

>>16009174

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0smx7QS9kNh

>>16005076

>first pic

Look at her square fucking head! Look at those dead eyes with no contrast! Look at how her fucking mouth moves! This isn't about the superior artstyle, this is about you comparing a good representative of an older style with a dogshit implementation of the newer one

>>16005493

Here's the best one:

> “You're entitled to your own opinion.”

>>16009134

Reading old school tabloid columnists isn't bad. Some of them do have good thoughts and opinions, which may help you come to your own conclusions faster than if you had to build them from scratch. However, it is easy to fall in the logical trappings of persuasive loud mouthed so called philosophers if you do not read them with a critical mind. In fact, if you are reading philosophy correctly, you should more often than not disagree with many of the arguments you see.

Problen around the culture of "reading old philosophers" is that it is the basis of academia. It encourages a culture of consumption, rather than production, by forcing you to cite the opinions of people more famous than you (because obviously their opinions are more valid than yours!), which is just a thinly veiled argument to authority. In fact, you will often see that many leftist circles attack others, or assume a higher self worth, by being the best at citing obscure philosophers, as if that made their opinions more important, by not being an opinion formed by a nobody like them, but by a semi-famous person, which also gives them a lot of intellectual cred by knowing and having read a lot of loud mouthed idiots who happened to build a relatively notable reputation, which automatically makes you the most cultivated person in the room, which makes you as well the most correct person in the room.

tl;dr a culture that glorifies consumption over production is a failed culture. Go write a book, nigger.

>>16009355

pretty much. It's about being able to analyse information without neccessarily adopting it as your belief. I've found plenty of good arguments and insights hidden among completely asinine overall beliefs of a person.

>>16005140

Honestly i'm way more into cartoony porn

>>16005493

Your error was thinking those people actually care about what they consume. They don't. So you trying to tell them what they like is (even if objectively) shit is an exercise in futility.

Without trying to sound too far up my own ass, you don't cast pearls to swine, just like you don't help someone who's perfectly happy where he is right now, even if you don't think he should be.

>>16008806

>"This can be used to simulate zombies that feel no pain"

>"I HATE IT MY FRIEND HAS DISABILITY AND HE CANT HIGHFIVE"

What a sperg

>>16006248

>>School forces you to sit in the class without allowing you to drink, eat or go to piss, even if you need to

Did you attend school in a gulag? In all my years, the only time a teacher disallowed a kid to go to toilet was when the kid asked him right in the middle of him sperging out about disrespect to teachers

>>16005076

I don't understand why people use remakes to prove that games have regressed in quality over the years. Remakes are almost always inferior to the original work, one of the reasons being that they lack the passion most original projects have.

If you really want to make an argument for this use original games instead. Taking YU-NO as an example, you could compare it with ISLAND, which is a recent VN that tackles a lot of the same concepts, rather than its cashgrab remake. Actually, even the company that made the remake has produced far better original games such as Steins;Gate and Chaos;Child, so you could compare with those as well.

>>16008510

I find it hilarious that the remake artist's OC donut, which is in your post, looks better when drawn by the original artist. (Second pic)

>>16008897

I thought this was bait but then realised you got the directions mixed up

>>16009675

Wait, was Betty designed by Nagi? I know she's an OC for the remake, but I have no evidence on who made her design concept.

>>16009140

Can you please recommend works and philosophers to get a good dive about it?

>>16015826

not him but Evola is commonly suggested, also a lot of the greek philosophers are great

>>16017347

>not making a recomendation

>>16017362

it's not a joke recommendation right?

>>16017365

“What has our culture lost in 1920 that the avant-garde had in 1890? Ebullience, idealism, confidence, the belief that there was plenty of territory to explore, and above all the sense that art, in the most disinterested and noble way, could find the necessary metaphors by which a radically changing culture could be explained to its inhabitants.”

-Evola

>>16015826

Isn't there this "all of human philosophy" in a thumb drive website? I'm pretty sure public domain pdfs translated to english are readily available for a good start. There is also /pdfs/

All these faggots talking about nostalgia in this thread need to die. I have no idea what is this game in 1st pic but left side is a more attractive woman and obviously dressed for seduction. Right side is most likely just some friend.

>>16005076

less polygons and low resolution textures means your brain will be filling in some of the details. it helps avoid the uncanny valley specially in human faces.

>>16017505

>we'd like to cash in on this cult classic with a remake, but we have no talent and we don't want to spend much money

>>16005140

Why do they all have hearts in their eyes, it loses its cuteness when literally everyone has it

>>16005381

Absolutely, agreed