a27e17 No.15999932
Which is better, Valkyria Chronicles or Atelier Arland?
551636 No.15999962
Valkryia Chronicles doesn't repeatedly crash on PC so i'm going with that.
9c4ba5 No.16000012
>>15999962
The port is shit?
69974c No.16000049
valkyria chronicles is an actual game
9a6719 No.16000101
>>15999932
Haven't played Atelier, but it looks nice. I tried the first Valkyria Chronicles game multiple times, and it was just a total slog. I can't speak for the later games, but the first one is just one of those cases where the closest thing to an all-arounder is the best unit in the game and you can just sink all your points into it, and all the specialist units end up being terrible by comparison. It has interesting elements, and it has a big upgrade tree that actually changes the cosmetics of the guns in addition to letting you actually specialize loadouts, which is pretty impressive imo. But the story and the rest of the gameplay just never appealed to me.
f54da1 No.16000173
>>15999932
Valkyria, no contest.
f46b62 No.16000179
VC could be a great game if it was an actual strategy game and didn't give out rankings based on speed.
There's literally no reason to use anyone but Scouts to capture the enemy flag in one turn.
291ab0 No.16000188
>>16000106
Don't post that gold in this shit thread
10cb2d No.16000201
>>15999932
Thanks, now I'm picturing Totori dressed as Sniperbutt and it won't go down
c63879 No.16000206
>>16000201
Totori doesn't have the right body type for that outfit. She's better with frilly things.
b5c106 No.16000207
What's better Pokemon or Mario?
69974c No.16000226
>>16000179
scouts get raped by stormtroopers until mid-late game and especially by tanks. They also definitely cannot handle any fog of war maps or maps with tight corners since those usually come with stormtroopers/generals who can rape them in a single turn
6db402 No.16000245
Provided that the Arland series is at least as good as the Mysterious series (and from all I've heard, it's better), I'd go with Arland easily. VC1 was OK but not great, most of the other VC games have been downhill from there.
08b20e No.16000257
08b20e No.16000262
>>16000245
>Provided that the Arland series is at least as good as the Mysterious series
Holy shit don't insult Arland. Mysterious was fucking terrible; they don't even begin to compare.
6db402 No.16000268
>>16000262
>From all I've heard, it's better
Sadly, I'm intending to use Rorona to practice Japanese, so it will be a long time before I actually get to a point where I can even try to compare them, and I might not enjoy it as much.
4e1bd3 No.16000304
Best to worst in my opinion
VC1
Totori
VC4
VC3
Meruru
Rorona
VC2
04fac0 No.16010039
I always liked how the Empire looked in VC, with their medieval armor mixed with fatigues, oversized tanks, and land ships. It’s a cool aesthetic, reminds me a bit of 40k.
f73ef8 No.16010061
>>15999932
Everything Atelier stomps the shit out of VC. Even the worst Atelier games are better. Nothing beats cute girls doing hardcore crafting things.
5691cf No.16010122
OpenXcom, better squad tactial operations game.
d1f0b1 No.16010128
>>16010061
>Everything Atelier stomps the shit out of VC
I'm downloading Arland right now so you better not be lying.
fd9e97 No.16010131
>>16000012
>>15999962
I've got 40 hours in the atelier rorona dx pc port now and I have experienced maybe 1 crash so far. However, sometimes I get a weird error message in chinese when a auto-alarm is used in combat. That doesn't crash the game though, I can just click ok and resume the game. Can't say anything about the other 2 games though
24432b No.16010524
>>16000262
>>16000245
Mysterious got best girl (of the franchise) Firis and the only one which is actualy fun as a game, for the first year only. The open world was actually amazing, too bad got scrapped due to casuals probably missing the deadline because searching is hard. Unfortunately there is little incentive to actually fully explore the zones after you get 3 recommendations or after you beat the game, since you already most likely pinpointed where the absolute best stuff is at, and you only complete the map for the sake of doing so.
The third game is too anime, even for an anime fan and the title should be changed to Mary&Sue thanks to the shit plot, the only saving grace is that Firis appears on it, even if she had a breast reduction.
I am not entirely sure Sophie was a game or not. I am pretty sure it have no lose condition at all, making it a non-game
For Arland: Rorona best game, Totori best story, Meruru is ok
69974c No.16010539
d1f0b1 No.16010603
>starts playing atelier
>talking
>more talking
>make a thing
>lol do some talking again nigger
Does this shit ever stop or is it one of those games?
fd9e97 No.16010623
>>16010603
Atelier is a mix of visual novel, jrpg and crafting simulator where you try as hard as possible to break the game
d1f0b1 No.16010674
>>16010623
Well, I'm in a bit of a irritable mood but I'm having fun so it's doing better than the majority of games.
I don't like how some of the animations work though
6db402 No.16010676
>>16010603
This is why I'm using Rorona to practice Japanese, because I expected this (also you can scroll back dialog and replay voiceovers, which is a plus for learning spoken Japanese as well). Of course, I've put about 5 days on it so far and I still haven't gotten to the "make a thing" part yet.
5747de No.16010682
I haven't played atelier games but valkyria chronicles is the kind of game you play once to see how the story ends and never touch it again, I can't say I enjoyed the gameplay that much since it's piss easy
6db402 No.16010694
>>16010682
The same could be said for the vast majority of JRPGs. You play it once, try to 100% everything (or near enough), and then never again.
4aa84c No.16010695
Valkyria Chronicles just because the atelier arland games still use NISA's fucked translation.
fd9e97 No.16010712
>>16010676
I've actually noticed that in some parts the translations dont line up with the voicelines. This is pretty irrirating. I understand the whole dilemma of the text sounding weird if you were to give a accurate translation, but I would actually prefer it that way.
>>16010674
Yeah, but I think it makes up for it with the beautiful CG art. Also, check the dressing room every once in a while and be aware that Roronas clothes arent the only ones you can change
d1f0b1 No.16010728
>>16010712
It's alright so far and most of Rorona's clothing so far have been
>original
>swimsuits
>lewd
I'll wait until I get some nice clothing.
6db402 No.16010736
>>16010712
I'm talking about Japanese Text and Japanese Voice together though. English text is NISA, so of course that's shit.
fd9e97 No.16010760
>>16010736
Oh sorry, I misunderstood that. I'm not quite confident enough yet to play the game with japanese text. I guess the conversations wouldn't be so bad since they are fairly simple. But I would mostly struggle with item describtions. Sometimes they are so vague that I can't really understand them even though they are english. You'd think that a trait called which gives you 100% crit rate is something that can be applied to a weapon, but then i spent 30 minutes of tinkering around just to realize that it only works on attack items
5b04eb No.16010831
>>15999932
Any improvements from the vita plus releases? I've been playing sophie but honestly that game is shit and i'm only playing for the cute protagonist but if rorona DX has additional content you bet your ass i'm gonna drop sophie for it.
d1f0b1 No.16010835
What fucking idiot thought "beehive = gunpowder"? Am I missing something really obvious? Are bees actually secretly explosive?
a552ff No.16010854
>>16010835
Well, haven't you heard of B4? Like C4, but it stings like a bitch even when you're at a distance.
fd9e97 No.16010868
>>16010835
It's alchemy, I don't have to explain shit.
2717a9 No.16010872
>>16010835
I also don't think many japs would assume that red barrels explode.
I mean… it's just painted differently
d1f0b1 No.16010886
>>16010854
>B4
>plant it and bees explode out of it
>>16010868
>>16010872
Good point, for all we know the japs instantly think explosive when they see bees. I'm pretty sure I saw something similar to this in another jrpg but not too sure.
what the fuck is fest?
2717a9 No.16010901
>>16010886
>fest
the thing that makes bread grow, I think
And turns milk into cheese, something like that
d1f0b1 No.16010902
>>16010901
I'll look it up, it took me way too long to figure out how beehives are suitable for gunpowder.
2717a9 No.16010907
>>16010886
also, it's one of those items that gain quality instead of losing over time, so get some of these early rather than later
487ce8 No.16010925
>>16010901
youre thinking yeast
2717a9 No.16010929
>>16010902
>figure out how beehives are suitable for gunpowder
I think it's a red barrel thing, you could thank the Chinese
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/04/unique-weapon-yi-wo-feng.html
>>16010925
shit, that's true, fest was the gray rock/sand thingy
fd9e97 No.16010940
>>16010907
as far as i can tell fest is just a fantasy ore. Also, aren't you thinking of the forgetful bones? As far as I know fest always stays the same quality. You can check this kind of stuff in the items describtion
d132cc No.16010942
>>15999932
Recettear or bait
i'll go with Recettear
2717a9 No.16010950
>>16010940
>Also, aren't you thinking of the forgetful bones?
I was thinking of yeast
08b20e No.16012067
>>16010835
Beeswax is apparently highly flammable. At the very least traditional candles were based on the usage of beeswax so there's a precedent for it. Still doesn't explain why it's 'gunpowder' and not 'fuel'. There's also this-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpex
Which seems to be real-life B4, but beeswax was used to make it less senstive to shock and explosion rather than acting as a catylyst for explosive force so it still doesn't make sense.
>>16010929
Makes much more sense.
>>16010940
>>16010886
>fest is just a fantasy ore
Considering how it's used to make polish powder it's probably something along the lines of limestone.
I really hope there's no one in this thread that doesn't know what yeast is.
57f3d2 No.16023544
>>15999932
Valkyria Chronicles is shit I thought the consensus around here was the same as well.
61a010 No.16023774
Which has the most cute little girls?
Gust are masters of the pedo craft God bless them.
61a010 No.16023784
>>16010682
Is that really a problem? Not even 40% reach the credits in a game anyway.
9c4ba5 No.16023817
>>16010131
So it works.
That's all I wanted to know, thanks.
>>16023544
VC is good, nigger.
11d5dd No.16023819
>>15999932
The one with the boobs
f526f0 No.16023840
I don't see why we're comparing them, they seem like pretty different games, if you need to decide what to buy though go with valkyria because 4 is good but might have floundered in sales
e6d3ea No.16023933
>>15999932
The atelier series is another shitty waifu series like nep nep. The only differences are that the gameplay is slightly more engaging and the yuri shit. VC is a ACTUAL good series
57f3d2 No.16024429
>>16023817
It's a shitty anime WW2 game.