/v/ - Video Games

You take the tvtropes pandering out of a Bioware game and it really is just bland crap.

What happened is that those who made the great blizzard games are long gone, and all you have is diversity hires.

>>15989377

>blizzard

I guess blizzard games are as boring as bioware games.

>>15989389

Take away the art style and it's practically the same overly serious with moments of failing to be funny droning shit that seems to have been made by a machine.

>>Number spam from shooting bullet sponges

DROPPED

And you're surprised? ME3 should've tipped you off to what direction Bioware was headed in.

>>15989405

That's not a complement to destiny as it's that Anthem set the bar so low that Destiny looks good in comparison.

I think the Iron Man flight looks neat but I bet they won't allow you to integrate it into combat in fun ways.

>>15989529

ME3 sold well but due to the endings being so horrid that normalfags to this day hate on Bioware for it.

Didn’t they try adding in an ass to the female robot to bait fetish more people in buying it?

Normalfags are not shitting on the game. I watched some new gameplay played by some fag named Arekkz or something, and people are talking about how much they can't wait to play it in the comments.

>>15989613

Wow almost as if companies paid dipshits to claim bullshit online, even fucking Battleborn had shills roaming on youtube comments.

>>15989713

Small and firm butt is better than nigger ass.

>>15989713

I think you should post some more examples of quality powersuit ass, purely for the purposes of research.

>>15989408

They still found the time to fill it with rag heads

>>15989377

Well the only good Blizzard games were both made by Blizzard North aka Condor so yeah once that shut down there was never much hope for a good successor to Diablo 2.

>>15989723

Small and toned doesn't have to mean flat and concave.

>>15989727

I'm not actually into armorfucking but it shouldn't be hard to find more examples on your own

>>15989766

Just read my OP it sums the shitshow up.

>>15989613

Anon this game is not even on the radar of most normalfags and the comments you saw are most likely shills paid by EA.

if everyone is in a fucking suit there might as well be no characters, you are pew pewing 90% of time and theres awful fucking story told by fucking recordings that doesnt live up to anything

only thing this game has is jetpacks that you can use to get to places in cool way, its not going to be enough for even normalfags as you can see

>>15989796

It sounds so boring and generic I feel like I'm gonna fall asleep just thinking about it

Bioshock had tapes, but that clearly worked because there were actual characters in game and incredible level design and gameplay mechanics

tapes were afterthought that ADDED to the game, tapes alone were never going to make it good

>>15989846

Trying to understand the lore behind that art takes you down a hell of a fucking rabbithole.

>>15989529

Shills are in this very thread.

>>15989902

Well, now you have to tell me what it is

>>15989846

I want to protect that girl and go on adventures together.

>>15990439

>Crestless and without ties to any of the other known orders, the wandering knights follow their own goals. They are altruistic civilian individuals whom decided to take up armor and weapon, leaving family and name behind in their lonely crusade for the greater good.

>Driven by an indomitable will to ward against the creatures of the mist they wander tirelessly from settlement to settlement to aid those in need - to spill their own blood in the place of the innocent.

>They are loved by the people - sometimes nearing an eerie disposition of adoration that can’t quite be explained. Just the promise of help seems enough to drive people into a celebratory frenzy… Something the knights of the other orders are rare to see, despite their efforts.

>No one can remember when the first one showed up, or how many there are - or has been. The name of Grey is given by the people as the knights themselves claim to be without names.

>Knights of the Grey are good people that gives their all to make your life in the mist a little better! Disinfect hand after you pet.

<Would buy hand sanitizer in bulk and headpat incessantly

>Gentle ones! Don't want her to bruise!

<Also gotta tell her that her hair is silky smooth even if it's it actually has centuries of grime, she knows its a lie but it's nice to hear

>Gonna end up reminding her of the life she left behind in which things like that mattered! ;_;

Grey is for giving baths to and then hugging

>>15989366

The whole thing reeks of design-by-committee bullshit. Bioware is trying to put their spin on it with their typical attempts at story and NPC shit, except with even less of a focus than usual, and the rest is all the result of a few execs and out of touch grandfathered-in employees asking themselves "What's popular right now?" and then just attempting to cram all that in. Mechs? Looting? Shooting? Jet packs? Open worlds? Multiplayer PvE? Fuck it. Shove it all in there.

>>15990147

paid shill reporting in

in also jewish

>>15990958

Hey back off buddy, this is India shill territory

I'm simply amazed how bioware can take jetpacking around in exosuits and make it absurdly boring, that is in a world where 99% of TPS games are cover based shooters that are indistinguishable from each other.

>>15989366

>Took the worst elements from Destiny, Warframe and BL2 then somehow made it fucking worse

Glad im not the only one who noticed that.

>>15989366

Normalfags only care about the scent of production values. As long as others are playing it, and the money is there on screen, their dopamine triggers.

The NPC memes so hated by /leftypol/ should have taught you. Normalfags are things, not people.

>>15989846

What's infuriating is that the work of hundreds of engineers and artists is thrown out of the window by a few retards deciding the gameplay at the top. It used to be that before you were given command of a ship, you had to prove you weren't one to sink everyone on a whim.

>>15989366

I think the problem with Anthem is that they borrowed too much from MMO's. The enemy variety, the leveling, the lack of skill, it's all reminiscent of MMO design. They fail to understand that people don't like MMO's because of the gameplay, but because of the social aspect. They're designing something that could only ever be fun with other people, and they're limiting that to three and seem to not have any of the social or economic components other than voice chat.

>>15991077

They have talent in making anything look dull.

>>15991263

It's also that they manged to be so bare bones with it too.

FIND THE WHITE PERSON /V/

>>15990958

>>15991253

These few people should be murdered. They're not mayors and presidents and politicians to be heavily guarded by SWAT teams 24/7 living inside their house.

So why aren't DC, Marvel, EA, Sega, Jagex, Hasbro, Sony, 20th "creatives" murdered in cold blood?

Is our society really that soft and cowardly? Why are people like Uwe Boll, Snyder, Andy Pitchford, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and George RR Martin still alive despite how much people hate them? It makes no sense. We pride ourselves in anonimity especially so we don't get targeted by angry mobs, activists, extremists who are willing to sacrifice their lives to see us dead.

And yet here are a dozen extremely hateable people who are still alive. Even Chris Chan.

>>15996123

I wish Bioware would be nuked.

>>15996123

It's just like in Destiny 1's central tower hub. Not a single white guy that wasn't a random crowd NPC, if that. They were either all women, black, robot, or (((Awoken)))

>>15997131

Wow FBI-kun. You sure have some pent up aggression. Have any actually well formed plans to go along with those spicy calls to action? Please let the rest of us know.

>>15991253

The artists are more often than not just as corrupt and deserving of every bad thing coming to them. The "engineers" are literally always pajeets.

>>15996123

They killed all the white people and then somehow mysteriously became unable to sustain a civilization beyond a one settlement large tribe.

>>15997351

>le 56% dyke faec

>>15997351

Because it's a jewess hybrid.

>>15997402

A literal e-cigarette.

>>15997410

I suppose you think AAA developers are motivated by long-term success and not immediate profit and the acclaim of their low-IQ coastie trust fund clique of media friends.

>>15991242

this, call it a cuckchan meme all you want, it is 100% accurate. people are brainless, soulless drones that only exist to be programmed and harvested to do someone's bidding and provide services and resources. kikes know what they're doing

When does this release?

>>15989529

>Financial success

Battlefield V and the newest Tomb Raider sure made billions from critics alone, right?

>>15997328

>>15997215

>oy vey goyim never fight back never do anything just accept your genocide ha ha wow lol go vote

Post your addresses. After all, no one will ever do anything, right? You're perfectly safe.

>>15997402

>AI disguised as a human player

>Bioware's great AI trying to be human

Why not just pay game journos to do that job? They might not crash into mountains half as much.

>>15996123

>Not a single fucking white man in the entire thing

>Even though the game was probably made entirely by white men

>>15997692

I haven't kept up with Bioware since they released Andromeda. Truth be told I didn't even know about Anthem until it was mentioned in a thread a month ago. Fingers crossed that this is their last game, then.

>4th pic

I'm reminded of that anon who did an analysis on what an ax left in a shed should look like.

Does anyone know what Anthem is anyway? There's some jet packs and shootan, but what is the genre? The marketing team already dropped the ball with this game. It almost seems like EA is intentionally sabotaging Bioware at this point. How can you sell a game when no one knows what it is?

im curious to see how the game controls

>>15997743

Third person loot shooter with RPG mechanics, I think.

>>15989723

So you like men's asses?

>>15997880

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention about the image I posted is I'm pretty sure the grenade model used by one of the javelin suits is the same as the Mass Effect 3 adept grenade, but I haven't been able to find a clear image of that one to compare it. If I'm right, though, Bioware is reusing assets which are nearing a decade old.

>>15997885

Anthem's production has been the definition of troubled, plus Frostbite is notoriously bad to work with.

>>15997906

it seems like a fucking stupid joke. it would have been funny if it wasn't so long and wordy.

>>15997895

What is the deal with Frostbite? I only know it's the BF engine.

>>15997922

I haven't heard anything concrete and it's 1:00 AM where I live, but the general trend is that it renders shiny-looking graphics from an FPS perspective extremely well, and doesn't do much else.

>>15997928

Thank you for correcting me; I thought the various Bioware studios had been folded into EA as one entity years ago.

>>15997936

EA labels everything bioware or dice for PR, doesn't really mean much to begin with (and probably the reason they will never get the bullet, too much brand name associated with it).

>>15997937

it may not be a joke but some stupid snake oil salesman shit. almost every slide is just a word soup, it reads like autogenerated text made by a program.

>>16000373

>No asians

Racist pieces of shit.

>>15997351

Bioware was never good with character models

>>16000427

Having the damage eventually reach scientific notation would be pretty funny.

>>16000427

Because any shooter with RPG elements does this shit and you can't turn it off.

>>16000427

The devs of Horizon: Zero Shitlords literally said "You see those numbers? This is an RPG." in reference to the damage number popups.

>>16000490

Seriously? None of the trailers had that shit.

>>16000519

I saw it in a preview some months before release. They did a freeze frame on the footage.

>>16000490

>>16000519

>You can turn off the obnoxious math equations

>You can also turn off each element of the HUD independently, or set them to dynamic so that they only pop up when necessary

I'll give H:ZD that. I fucking hate when games only have HUD options as "On/Off ;)"

>>16000613

Good to know something had some thought put into it at least.

>>16000482

The only one I know where you can turn it off is The Division. The worst fucking part about the whole thing is, the numbers are completely arbitrary. Enemies never have a consistent amount of health, nor do you do a consistent amount of numbered damage to them. In Destiny 2, you'll kill a small enemy with a red health bar in one shot to the head with a revolver every time, but the same enemy with a yellow health bar will both have more health AND take less damage. At level 1, they'll pop off a big yellow 60 above his head after you shoot him, and at level 50, he'll pop off a big yellow 6000000, because that woos retards into thinking that their arbitrary "power level" number actually means anything and that their character is getting stronger. Which, again, it doesn't, really, since as long as your power level is within 10 points of the enemy you're fighting, he'll work just the same as the level 1 enemy. Just fucking thinking about Destiny makes me platinum mad, because bungie jewed themselves into making some kind of dogshit pseudo-mmo instead of a perfectly good singleplayer game with regular multiplayer.

>>15997944

You say it, but they quietly renamed Bioware Victory to Victory Games again after the ME3 fiasco. (Aside from the fact that Victory Games got shuttered anyway.)

The hatchet is long coming.

>>16000653

>Just fucking thinking about Destiny makes me platinum mad, because bungie jewed themselves into making some kind of dogshit pseudo-mmo instead of a perfectly good singleplayer game with regular multiplayer.

Destiny is a game that had so much potential but Bungie and kikevision cucked it up.

>>16001531

>those screenshots

The rebels only won Palpatine was an arrogant jackass that was trying to centralize power into his hands, and then proceeded to fuck up hard by trying to get Luke to turn quickly, and, failing that, torturing Luke in front of his father.

>Destiny

It is somewhat solid, but it feels a bit ridiculous. Most of the enemy factions are pretty plain to boring to fight. Their gimmicks are okay, but not great. It is also aggravating that you are playing on a different rule set as the enemies, so you get hitscan weapons, but they don't. Give me some non-hitscan weapons. make me think about where the enemy is going to be two steps from now. The auto-aim is also fucking aggravating; it occasionally will outright make you miss, and other times make it so you do shit that you have no right to do. I thought I was going crazy at first, because I remember fighting the game to line up a shot and it only let me once I fired off a round. On the other hand, I ended up doing a 180 to punch an enemy behind me, when I whiffed a punch against an enemy ahead of me. That isn't good design; I shouldn't be rewarded for fucking up and punished for trying to do well.

The auto-aim particularly aggravates me, because if you want to make auto-aim into a mechanic that people think about, you follow Armored Core's example. However, that isn't what they want, they want people to feel like there is some depth to it, when there is none.

The only thing I'm lamenting about COVFEFE is that it isn't disastrous as Mass Deffect Androgynous was.

>>16001531

You know whats sad about your first picture? She said that shit less than 30 min after her defection. Before that she was a "im not need damn stormtrooper" strong wymin. While most of the disillusioned imperials left the jewed Empire, she and his cuck crew straight went to the rebellion to suck cocks. And we didnt just speak about footsoldiers! We talk about an "elite commando" which commited pretty much plenty of war crime against the galaxy and the rebellion. The less they should be get could be a fast execution via throwing out to space. But nooooo! Fucking Leia let ranked them and assigned them to fight in that very fucking minute without even double checking their story.

The game's story is a freaking mess even within the nu-Star Wars lore.

>>16001669

worst part it doesn't even make sense at that point, she was only on the "wrong" side after the emperor was thrown down a shaft and the remnants went full retard proceeding with operation cinder. up to that point she was perfectly fine protecting civilians in the name of the empire and what it stood for, that shit suddenly doesn't change retroactively. and operation cinder was retarded to begin with, instead of logically saying "you know, fuck that, I'm the new leader I make my own rules" leading to a succession war they come up with this shit, it didn't even make sense. the headcanon people explained it with was the emperor enacting it's revenge on an universe that failed him (quite similar to how they portray hitler at the end), not some "show our might and sow fear to become even stronger" bullshit on their own fucking population. there is literally zero gain. I blame the nuwars writers for that, it would require common sense and having some clue how shit like that works in the first place, but that probably wasn't part of the gender studies curriculum.

the second time it makes more sense since hask keeps working for an empire that obviously completely changed course, but anybody else would've simply said "you're wrong" (and tried to convince him at length beforehand considering they fucking grew up together) before putting a bullet in him as a hardened elite soldier.

once you ignore the obviously overly retarded points you simply have the rushed story of a disillusioned soldier that could've been written better. definitely wasn't as offending as tfa/tlj (but that's not really a hard accomplishment)

>>16001531

On a related note EA supposedly canceled a Star Wars game because the brand is practically radioactive at this point.

http://archive.is/zwGUT

even if you ignore all the issues theres still Fort Tarsus dialogue system which is WORSE than Andromeda

ITS ONLY BINARY NOW AND CHOICES ARE BLACK AND WHITE, THEY MIGHT AS WELL NOT MATTER AT ALL

there has not been a single character trailer unlike with all the other Bioware titles, that could possibly mean there arent any noteworthy characters ingame, thats says to me its probably written by people who ea fired and they rescued

Storyline is bad they refused to talk about anything specific related to it, and THE GAME WILL LAUNCH IN A MONTH

Seems like only thing that matters is looting and shooting, jetpacks and graphics and always online

RED FLAGS ARE EVERYWHERE WITH THIS TITLE, DO NOT PREORDER

>>15997670

>kill a bunch of people for making trash tier movies and games

>actually trying to get anons to go murder people

One of the indicators that you shouldn't be involved with someone is when someone tries to push you to do violent shit usually because they're practically always a spy.

>>15997906

>imgur

Holy fucking shit are you serious?

>acceptable placeholder ads

>in a game

>which you pay full price

>FOR A FUCKING AMMO REFILL

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>>16001531

Destiny has a habit of being shit in vanilla but acceptable once you have all the dlc, it's pretty fucking autistic. not worth the price

>>16001811

I'm willing to bet the entire thing is just a ponzi scheme to keep the license.

>>16001765

auto aim goes back further than that, goldeneye had it

>>16001921

If I recall correctly, the original 1313 was being made under EA when LucasArts still existed. When Disney bought Star Wars, every gaming project related to LucasArts got shitcanned when Disney fired everyone there. Then they sold a 10 year license for Star Wars games to EA, who has made a grand total of basically nothing with it.

It's ironic, under George we got Star Wars movies every 3 years and games annually. Now, under Kennedy, we get annual Star Wars movies and games every 3 years.

Boring time sync designed to farm shekels nothing more.

>>15989529

>Financial success and critical acclaim?

What success would that be? Andromeda? Ha.

He said direction. The sales of ME3 are irrelevant as most people bought it before finding at launch before they could discover how dumb it was.

Nearly a million in 24 hours those were not educated purchases.

>>15989731

>It was purely the movement mechanics which made this game stand out originally

I dared to hope at launch that this game would be an open world FPS with Tribes-like movement, which is a game I hope will be made but probably won't. The normally sterile and boring stretches of land you'd see in open world games would be like a fun skate park. But of course they made this game boring as fuck. I don't understand why you would bust your ass for shit pay in this grinder of an industry just to make awful shit like Anthem.

>>16002061

Logic says gyro is going to take off eventually. It's leagues better than analog shit and every console except Xbone has it. Except AAA devs are massive cum guzzlers and refuse to make a killer app shooter with gyro.

>>16002052

It's honestly shocking how much the video game industry has stagnated over the past ten years.

>>16002268

Had low expectations on hearing Bamco were doing it, just confirmed what you said, and wow I'm hyped. This might actually be good.

>>16002301

are these not lawbreaker skins?

>>16002307

Believe it not, no.

>>16002268

It actually might be good.

>>16002301

This goes back to my " least Destiny's looked unique and interesting" point, Anthem set the bar so fucking low even Destiny's shit is a lot better.

>>15996123

>That terrible voice acting

>that bitch with a bastardised Northern Irish accent

>Bland, boring flat music

>Spot the white person

>Terrible animation and lip syncing barely exists

>Just a bunch ooga booga niggers.

And this is just the talking parts of the game

>>16002343

I watched halfway through and the lack of animation really stood out. Like, I seen standard Mass Effect 1 cutscenes with more gravitas than this clip.

>>15989846

>tfw no hollow warrior gf

>>15991253

Yeah I remember when a Bioware QA anon came here to talk about how fucked up it was to work on ME:A.

>>16002425

At least the entire thing wasn't obliterated in a blizzard of management autism, like the World of Darkness MMORPG.

>>16002425

Yea I felt bad for that guy.

>>16002434

Here http://archive.is/53pku

>>16002465

I feel bad for the fucks who had to work there.

>>16002378

they are probably still using the same tech they used to make Andromedas procedural animations (to save time),

and yeah its awful, way worse than Mass Effect 1 and that game had fucking standin stock NPCs, that did better animations even if baked, its embarrassing

>>16001921

EA has exclusivity until 2023 at the earliest unless Disney decides to go nuclear. Which, y'know, it might just do if the franchise keeps crashing and burning the way it has been. If both Ep. IX and their spinoffs flop they'll start running around like chickens with their heads cut off because that will be proof positive that they have zero fucking idea how to run their four billion dollary-doo franchise. If we're lucky, best case scenario is that IX flops - hard - while The Mandalorian (recently re-worked from whatever soy bullshit it was into a test balloon to see if shitlords can still care enough about SW to turn a profit, according to industry scuttlebutt) is lauded as the best thing to come out of Disney Wars so far and Disney decides that various tertiary material (games, comics, TV shows, etc.) will try to milk the audience that actually cares by making more and varied SW games/comics/etc.

>>16002044

That sounds about right..

>>16002061

Auto-aim was effectively a necessity in pretty much every shooter game without freelook until the mid to late 90s (especially on consoles) and in those games it worked fine because it was part of the design and not a crutch.

>>16002075

Gyro doesn't let you make fine adjustments as well as a stick. Games like Splatoon can get away with gyro controls because aim is a suggestion rather than a requirement but that doesn't work very well in games where the guns aren't super-soakers and the hitboxes aren't generous.

>>16002268

I have dared to feel hope for Metroid Prime that I haven't for any other game in years.

>>16002301

>Generic shooty man

>Big shooty man

>Floating magic man

>Stabby girl

Truly an achievement for the ages.

>>16002763

At this point is seems more likely they got Star Wars specifically to tank it.

>>16002837

Nah, just arrogance. They figured that the fans would eat their shit no matter what as long as the DUDE NOSTALGIA LMAO element was present so they took a shit on the entire and oft-beloved EU while killing several highly anticipated projects (such as Battlefront III) and ongoing works (such as The Clone Wars), rushed into production of episode 7 with no plan except "make it like the old movies", gave exclusive game rights to a company that's universally loathed and gave so few shits about other tertiary materials that they ended up canonizing pronoun circlejerks and literal fart fetishism.

>>16003066

It's funny to remember that they still haven't broken even on that $4,000,000,000 investment yet.

>>16002763

>Auto-aim was effectively a necessity in pretty much every shooter

It's fundamentally contrary to the genre. Shooters are literally "aiming+movement", if you take away one of those, the thing in question isn't a shooter anymore. If you don't replace the missing mechanic with something else? It's not even a game at all.

>it was part of the design and not a crutch.

>metroid

Wow, way to miss the forest for the trees. Unlike auto-aim "FPSs", Metroid Prime is actually a good example of how to use auto-aim, by making it into an explicit mechanic, completely discarding any pretense of the player playing a shooter in favor of puzzles/platforming, and even unpretentiously referring to itself as an action-adventure instead of an FPS.

>Gyro doesn't let you make fine adjustments as well as a stick.

That's exactly the opposite of how gyro should be used. Stick for simple intermediate camera control, gyro for precise aim and broad snap movement.

>>15996123

the fuck is this sound design

>>16003066

EA and Disney are the perfect disaster couple. Disney probably being the leader in consecutive bad decisions.

Get rid of EU canon for something new since they want to kill the past, unless they need it for money reasons so they trot out your OG nostalgia merch for you to buy them some time to make more crap. Cancel 1313, a game that people were excited for and make subpar battlefront games with loot boxes. Make a trilogy which they had no planned overarching story for and wing it as they go along. Release a star wars movie every year so the fatigue will set in.

Make toys of characters that nobody liked to kill Toys'r'us. Letting Rian Johnson have free control over the most important part of a trilogy to divide your fanbase. Not even defend your fans as articles insult your customers and losing them for good. Have people that work at lucasfilms insult your customers with very little punishment issued against them. Keep Kathleen Kennedy on after the failure of TLJ and the box office bomb that was Solo. The one positive thing to come out of star wars is a fan film which you had your music company copyright claim and threaten to strike them if they should appeal, and they did this to one of their most loyal star wars fan shill channels. The only good thing they've done is unite the prequel lovers and OG star wars fans against a common enemy in the Disney sequels.

EA might be safe because of the drone madden sports gamers keeping them afloat with microtransactions but Disney has Marvel helping them in the movies because nobody is buying comic shit. Every other property they own is on the decline. If those become a failing venture, which might be sooner than expected, they'll never make back their investment, nomatter how much they hike their disneyland prices or make live action versions of their classics.

>>16003285

Retconning the EU was largely so they could knock if off without paying royalties. Remember "Jyn Erso"?

>>16003167

>if you take away one of those, the thing in question isn't a shooter anymore.

where take you away aiming? show me the shooter where you just press a button and without looking and magically do headshots. aim assist != aimbot.

sticks are mechanically inferior to a mouse, hence software filling the gap. devs going overboard with the implementation doesn't mean the whole mechanic removes any semblance of skill. fun fact: doom had autoaim on the vertical axis due to engine constraints. when one of the very first shooters did it, what does that say about the genre?.

so while you lose accuracy you get an universal input device that doesn't require a flat surface and certain posture to use. try using mouse+keyboard on a couch, shit sucks.

the skill argument is moot as well, everybody is playing on the same playing field and there are plenty of other factors to consider like map knowledge, battlefield awareness etc.

>>16002903

EU was canned for legal reasons, figuring out who owns what when you use it takes time & money better spend on other things. sucks but it was pretty much inevitable.

> rushed into production of episode 7 with no plan except "make it like the old movies"

my bet that was jarjar abrams. the guy's a hack, but he knows what he's doing. banking on nostalgia is safe, especially for a franchise that didn't have a movie in a decade. just look at the star trek reboot.

it's hilarious tho that he's stuck untangling someone else' mess with IX, usually he's the one coming up with retarded plotlines for MUH MYSTERY BOX for other so sort out and write a satisfying ending.

>>16003285

>Disney probably being the leader in consecutive bad decisions.

the main problem was putting literal retards in charge, starting with kennedy. just compare how feige runs marvel studios.

>fatigue

not at thing, see MCU

>nobody is buying comic shit

because it's run by retards, just like lucasfilm. movies making billions is the perfect hook to get people (especially new ones) into comics. problem is when the comics suck, just like star wars, no one's gonna buy with that shit for long. brand name alone can only carry so much.

>>16003324

>my bet that was jarjar abrams. the guy's a hack, but he knows what he's doing. banking on nostalgia is safe, especially for a franchise that didn't have a movie in a decade. just look at the star trek reboot.

I believe in star wars case it was doubly safe as not only did it lack a movie for a decade, it lacked a good movie for much longer

TLJ was so bad though, i sometimes wonder if Rian Johnson was trying to fuck it up as hard as possible

>>16003285

>Every other property they own is on the decline

Agreed with the rest, but let's not go overboard. Frozen and Zootopia both practically printed money, all of their other 2010s animated features were highly profitable in their own right, and their TV animation unit has also been cranking out a steady stream of lucrative hits. Not to mention that several things among this were actually really good.

>>16003324

>where take you away aiming?

Perhaps it doesn't 100% excise it, but it certainly eliminates a hefty chunk. Sort of like comparing the automatic jumping in 3D Zelda to the 100% manual jumping in a platformer.

>how me the shooter where you just press a button and without looking and magically do headshots

Quickscope Not to mention literal "take over my entire game and aimbot me free kills" features like in Overwatch

>sticks are mechanically inferior to a mouse

To such a degree they are flat out unsuited to the genre.

>when one of the very first shooters did it, what does that say about the genre?

Basically nothing, since pretty much everyone (including iD themselves, I think) were keyboardshitters at the time, and the practically accidental inclusion of mouselook being exploited by a rapidly growing number of powergamers completely transformed the meta that both multiplayer and campaign balance were built around for FPSs. I remember on USENET, keyboard-only vs. mouselook gamers hashed out these same arguments. Unlike on console where they're coddled by opaque, invisible auto-aim "features", keyboard aficionados went extinct pretty fast.

>universal input device that doesn't require a flat surface and certain posture to use

Such devices that are capable of going head-to-head with KB/M have existed from the start. Problem is, nobody uses them, though I think that might be changing finally.

>everybody is playing on the same playing field

Yes, a playing field where the absolute maximum skill ceiling is pushed down so far it isn't an FPS. What happened to the FPS genre is like if every racer was Mario Kart, every fighter was Smash, and every flightsim was Ace Combat.

>>16003066

It's honestly surprising that a company like Disney could shit the bed so hard with something that should have been a slam dunk.

>>16003167

>It's fundamentally contrary to the genre. Shooters are literally "aiming+movement", if you take away one of those, the thing in question isn't a shooter anymore.

So idsoft games aren't shooters? Good to know; for all of these years I'd been thinking that Wolfenstein 3D and Doom were beloved and genre-defining FPS titles but thanks to your enlightenment I now know that they're not even shooters at all. Do you have any more wisdom to disperse from on high, O Master?

>>16003324

>EU was canned for legal reasons, figuring out who owns what when you use it takes time & money better spend on other things. sucks but it was pretty much inevitable.

It's not so much what they did as how they did it, and with their legal department and money they could easily get the rights to anything they wanted anyway.

>> rushed into production of episode 7 with no plan except "make it like the old movies"

>my bet that was jarjar abrams. the guy's a hack, but he knows what he's doing. banking on nostalgia is safe, especially for a franchise that didn't have a movie in a decade. just look at the star trek reboot.

>it's hilarious tho that he's stuck untangling someone else' mess with IX, usually he's the one coming up with retarded plotlines for MUH MYSTERY BOX for other so sort out and write a satisfying ending.

It gets even better than that; when Disney brought him on for Ep. 7 their creative involvement was basically just saying "make a nostalgic star wars movie". No overarching plot, no planning, no discussions about the future of any kind, just writing JJ Abrams a creative blank check for Ep. 7 while planning to punt for Ep. 8 and beyond based on what JJ Abrams gave them. It's beyond retarded, especially for a company of Disney's size and stature.

>>16003442

>comparing the automatic jumping in 3D Zelda to the 100% manual jumping in a platformer.

different genres. where's the platformer with automatic jumping?

>Quickscope

quickscope isn't aim assist, it's basically exploiting a mechanic. shit like an overwatch ultimate doesn't count either, that's like saying a nuke in a shootemup invalidates movement and aim. and even if we would count all of that it's coming down to implementation again.

>keyboard aficionados went extinct pretty fast.

the point is workarounds are acceptable when there are limitations. it's always possible to drag everything down to consolewar level shitposting, doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

>Such devices that are capable of going head-to-head with KB/M have existed from the start. Problem is, nobody uses them, though I think that might be changing finally.

and nobody uses them because no one is buying several different inputs devices per genre that are limited how they're used and need to be relearned and for the devs to be implemented. sticks are inferior but not that much that they're completely unusable while giving you a standardized input scheme that works across games with the combined freedom how to use it and puts everyone on the same level of limitation.

the main problem in the whole MUH AUTOAIM discussion is that most people completely ignore those factors, it not simply "x is more accurate than y"

>Yes, a playing field where the absolute maximum skill ceiling is pushed down so far it isn't an FPS. What happened to the FPS genre is like if every racer was Mario Kart, every fighter was Smash, and every flightsim was Ace Combat.

2 examples of shitty implementation are hardly a good argument, fuck overwatch is literally never a good example for anything. as I said before "skill" is more than just twitch aiming, it's like saying soccer is low skill because you can't use all extremities.

plus you can always play on pc, if aim assist is all that drags the skill ceiling down those games must be 11/10 with plenty of high-skilled players on the platform where it doesn't exist.

>>16003549

Just because one axis was missing or disabled due to engine limitations, doesn't mean those games had mandatory, invisible, unexplained bullet magnetism, reticle magnetism, aim assist, etc. on the remaining axis.

Also, as I said in the above post, the genre on PC transformed drastically as a result of mouselook becoming ubiquitous, and again when locational damage was introduced, elevating it far above where Doom was in terms of its reliance on marksmanship for a high skill ceiling.

>>16003549

>with their legal department and money they could easily get the rights to anything they wanted anyway.

it's still money that could be saved or invested somewhere else. slashing the EU was shit for the fans but makes sense from a business perspective (especially for a company like disney that gets butthurt about kindergarteners painting mickey mouse on a wall)

>It's beyond retarded, especially for a company of Disney's size and stature.

I wish I could be a woman or numale to end up in the lucasfilm story group, there's probably no easier job to suck at while getting paid than that.

also don't forget lucas offering jarjar plotpoints which he discarded, only for ruin johnson to throw the cake back in his face with ep8.

>>16003879

>on the remaining axis.

there are only 2 and doom literally has mandatory, invisible, unexplained autoaim for half of that.

>the genre on PC transformed drastically as a result of mouselook

and consoles aren't pcs and marksmanship isn't the only criteria for high skill ceiling in a fps (especially since not every fps is a heavy twitch shooter)

>>16003918

>invisible

It's quite visible. You simply can't aim up or down, and your missile weapons simply don't work for off-axis targets (or it's irrelevant, as in flat FPSs like Wolf). Meanwhile your horizontal aim is 100% manual (if perhaps clunkier since you're a dumb little kid who doesn't use mouselook, and maybe isn't even aware of strafing). Compare that to a modern console "FPS", where there is absolutely no acknowledgement of auto-aim, nor any explanation of its mechanical intricacies.

>marksmanship isn't the only criteria for high skill ceiling

Sure, like in Metroid Prime, where to compensate for the fact FPSs can't work on thumbsticks, it adds replacement mechanics to take it into another genre entirely.

>>15997883

They're lazy like that, its not even the first time they do something like this. Dragon Age Inquisition uses weapons and costumes from Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2.

Dragon Age 2 has the same drinking animation as Mass Effect. I can only image how much I could find if I really start to research it, but that would require playing BW games…and no…no, no, no.

>>16003879

>Just because one axis was missing or disabled due to engine limitations, doesn't mean those games had mandatory, invisible, unexplained bullet magnetism, reticle magnetism, aim assist, etc. on the remaining axis.

Wew. Way to move those goalposts bud, you must be exhausted.

>Also, as I said in the above post, the genre on PC transformed drastically as a result of mouselook becoming ubiquitous, and again when locational damage was introduced, elevating it far above where Doom was in terms of its reliance on marksmanship for a high skill ceiling.

I specifically mentioned free look in my post you weaselly little shit.

>>16003918

>it's still money that could be saved or invested somewhere else. slashing the EU was shit for the fans but makes sense from a business perspective (especially for a company like disney that gets butthurt about kindergarteners painting mickey mouse on a wall)

Saving money by sidelining the EU was a good business decision on paper and could have been handled carefully but how they went about it was awful. They got off on the wrong foot with the fans with how they completely shoah'd the entire EU in one fell swoop but then they couldn't even come up with anything decent to replace it. They've had four shitty movies, a handful of shitty video games, a shitty CGI TV series and god-awful books to replace decades of goodwill and nostalgia. It's even more confusing when you remember that Disney's success has been as much due to the careful cultivation of their brands as it has been to anything else. The fucking Cars franchise alone has brought in more than ten billion dollars and at this point is reliant entirely by children who weren't even alive when the first movie came out. The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise is over $4B. With Disney at the helm people should be as crazy for Star Wars in [CY+4] as they were in the 80s but they've completely shit the bed.

>I wish I could be a woman or numale to end up in the lucasfilm story group, there's probably no easier job to suck at while getting paid than that.

Kathleen Kennedy has made her money but she's as good as cone at this point. They're trying to avoid making it look like she's being fired for basically tearing up their golden ticket but she's on her way out and has no say in the matter. And the best part is that because she's a woman who was in charge of something import, she's basically guaranteed another high paying job somewhere else in the entertainment industry as soon as she wants one because with her resume being what it is not hiring her would be sexist.

>>16004042

>move those goalposts

Perhaps one half a goalpost at most, given modern console games have auto-aim on both axis, in a far more insidious and less understood form.

>freelook

>ability to look up and down

Ah, I wasn't entirely sure what you meant, as the only use of that term I could remember was allowing aim, camera rotation, and/or avatar body movement to be done separately, as in System Shock and Mechwarrior, especially if the game was grid/cell-based like Lunicus. I can't actually recall any game other than Doom that had 3D movement without the ability to look up and down.

>>16004042

You forget that they didn't just can the EU. They teased that they were going to go through the EU library and figure out what they were going to keep. Fans liked that idea, because not all the EU was good, and theoretically, they would cut the crap out and keep the good stuff. Then they threw it all out and to pour salt on that, the replacement was worse.

The entire franchise has been one fuck up after another since Disney got it. When it was under Lucas, the best parts were when he took a very hands off approach and just let other people work with ideas there.

>>16005134

I feel like even the husk that is Bioware didn't even have the drive to do anything with a game they'd know is going to flop.