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>reddit is ass blasted.

Lip can actually become a stage hazard now!

Good ol fashion Nintendo autism

>>15987492

>Ultimatefags are ABSOLUTELY ASSBLASTED.

why would i be?

or is playing ultimate not enough to be an "ultimatefag"?

Fuck, forgot to caption the clips.

>>15987499

Landing lag reduced to 6 frames overall, initial airdodge pushback lowered

>>15987507

First: All of the above + hitlag reduced

Second: All of the above + increased SDI (distance mashed out of an attack per frame of other cardinal direction on stick)

>>15987513

All of the above + initial airdodge startup time decreased

>>15987518

All of the above + dashdancing restored

>>15987513

Marx is a boss. Bandana Dee isn't getting in because he's already a spirit. This is the best shot you'll get.

>>15987535

From the small Twitter feed I have read, they are afraid that NX will take over their respective game like Brawl, but if they just keep them to themselves they have jack shit to worry about. Probably just jealous I think? Other option is that they are a bunch of moralfags that screech "YOU ARE BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO NINTENDO GBLGLGLBG", but they can fuck right off.

>>15987541

That's why I said for example, I could have picked any other character.

But they're right.

>>15987541

Ganon and Giga Bowser are also bosses, he can join similar to his Star Allies appearance.

Also, the eternal reminder

>>15987603

What? I was talking about the services like invidious and hooktube.

>>15987492

>"The melee community is toxic"

>"I hate r/smashbros"

It's not the Melee/Ultimate/Project M community's problem, retard. The problem's name is Reddit.

I hope his mod comes out alright. Anything that causes Reddit and those Wavedash nigger Butthurt is good on my book.

>>15987777

agreed

>>15987777

quads of truth

>>15987492

I hope he removes the shorthop/single jump damage penalty

>>15987832

What are you talking about? Personally, the buffer + input lag is one of the most important.

>>15987598

Is that really relevant? Off the top of my head, I can't recall any mods for a game (not TCs of one game into another, just plain ol' mods) ever being C&D'd.

>>15987847

There's a reduced damage penalty on all air attacks until you do a second jump, the buffer isn't too bad but input lag might be hard to change but if it can be reduced then yeah that would be nice.

>>15987866

>implying you wouldn't main a walking dildo

what are you, a queer?

>>15987882

I just hope that it doesn't end like 4XM, the PM mod for Smash 4. Probably had more to do with the difficulty of modding the Wii U.

I don't mind, I liked PM way better than Brawl. What happened to PM's development team is a big dumpster fire

>>15987886

>4XM, the PM mod for Smash 4

There was a mod for that? And how do you fuck that up? A Wii U is just one and a half Wiis glued together, just do for Smash 4 what you did for Brawl.

>>15987860

But the one thing that boggles my mind is the stale move mechanic is even more aggressive and luckily they reduced the rage mechanic a bit too, but it seems like a bunch of numbers moving around for no good reason.

>>15987866

>"I think he's being ironic here, quadsman"

Now that I read it again, I think you're right, anon. I don't deserve my quads.

This looks so refreshing compared to vanilla Ultimate.

Only fags stuck in the past still give two shits about melee. :^)

>>15988223

Fuck you, melee is much better than every other game in the series and every other smash game sucks!

PLeAsE for the love of god I am just baiting

PM>64>melee>ultimate>brawl>4

>>15988213

One of THE earliest mods, along with panties.

>>15988214

It already looks so much better. One thing you can really notice is in >>15987591 the difference between Palu's aerials and grounded moves, how much slower the grounded moves are and how they break the flow of her movements.

>People seriously getting asshurt over a mod

>Even reporting the modder to Nintendo

Thats some extreme fucking retardation right there.

Hopefully it turns out well.

>>15987535

Nah. But there are actually are a bunch of bootlickers trying to snitch to Nintendo for soiling Soccereye's perfect masterpiece.

>>15988242

>PM>64>Melee

Correct.

>Brawl>4

4 wasnt great, but it wasnt THAT bad.

Brawl was absolute shit, while 4 was just mediocre.

>>15989635

What's the source for that first image?

I just hope this dude was smart enough to not leave his own fucking public information all over the internet, like every other retard trying to mod nintendo shit and then getting a C&D boot up the colon.

They can't do shit if the lawyers can't tie a name to this mod.

This looks really gay, the characters just look like they're bouncing all over the fucking stage.

>>15989740

I dont recall Nintendo ever going full SHUT IT DOWN to any modders.

Fangames yes, but as far as I recall they dont attack mods.

I'll throw this one out there for you old Lipfag. Lip will be the Melee-fag's worst nightmare. The reason is because Lip can make platforms on Final Destination. Lip's special is Vertical Clear. Lip creates a line of blocks in front of her that act as a wall and clears them. Opponents caught in clearing blocks will have flowers grow on them. Side special is Horizontal Clear. Up Special is Raise Panel where Lip can raise a platform 5 blocks wide and 3 blocks high that anyone can interact with by punching blocks to swap them. Once the panel is raised Up B becomes Swap Block. The panel only lasts a short amount of time and cannot be summoned again until a while (about 20 seconds) after after Lip dumps her stockpile. Any blocks Lip clears herself will be stockpiled in her garbage block counter. Garbage blocks can be dropped with Down Special. These garbage blocks unlike panels are solid and will meteor smash you if you're caught underneath. Garbage blocks will last about fifteen seconds. They disappear when Lip raises a panel or if Lip clears on the garbage block and transforms them into lose panels. Lose panels can be picked up as items and thrown by either player. When three of the same color match they clear.

There's tons of bullshit with this idea and setup. Quite frankly I imagine this would be more ideal for stronger system hardware instead of Ultimate. Lip would troll the shit out of Melee-fags with specials alone.

Ah yes, the next stage

>Lip will be a character so I will spam every thread

<Lip is a jpeg, an item, and a Mii costume

>d-doesn't deconfirm, Lip will be a DLC character so I will spam every thread

>mods will add Lip as a character so I will spam every thread

Trying to think of other characters that haven't been added to Project M that would be interesting fighters. With the moveset I have for Lip she would be better as a stage hazard for a Panel de Pon stage. Mythra alone has potential as dancing broadsword. Like western medieval fencing before rapier, heavy sword but lots of finesse.

Enough Lipfag autism, this is getting ridiculous.

Back on topic, if anyone talks to the devz or if he is lurking, I have one big request:

If [dev] has modding experience with tr4sh, can he prove that tr4.5h is just an enhanced port with updated assets?

This would comepletely shit on all nintoddlers and leave them crippled beyond belief if you can prove it is just a fucking port.

That is all, I look forwards to further development of the mod.

>>15990062

Like if both Smash 4 and Ultimate use the same exact physics and render engines with copy pasted code from previous fighters and stages?

>>15987492

>someone announced he would maybe make a mod

>others were sooooo angry, just like that time

>but my friends are cool with this

You talk like a faggot and his butt buddies. Who gives a fuck about the reactions to an announcement of a mod, do you think they're royalty or something? Kids at the local arcade suddenly have international importance?

>>15990115

Mechanically interesting characters do need a bit of autism to explain. I'm pretty much done with Lip. She's too impractical and a nightmare to code as a fighter. Stage hazard or assist. And a Mii Costume. Nothing more.

>>15990101

Let's discuss the tech first before we know what can and cannot be done fist. We've been warned by the mods.

Take roster faggotry to >>15989686 and stay there. Here we discuss the tech, not the roster.

>>15989681

Yeah the model should be added to the game and should be swapped on to Wario

Seeing lip engulf and brap on her enemies is bound to be fucking hilarious

>>15990351

legacy xp has the wah

and geno

melee fags thinks a party game is some super hardcore fighting game that only top players can play. so they refuse to play anything but a 15 year old game because muh speed.

>>15990412

Their entire competitive scene is built around retardedly exploiting a damn bug in the game. Do you expect anything less than severe autism from them?

>>15989681

Message the dude, I don't think he will leave it laying around

>>15989710

I placed Brawl above 4 because your can turn Brawl in PM

>>15989740

He was shilling a Discord, so I hope he is not afraid of consequences.

>>15990054

Lyn, Hector, Ephraim, Bandana Dee, Marx, Birdo, Impa, Splitting PT, Black Shadow, Zero, Alucard, Bomberman, Isaac, Ray, Waluigi, Mach rider, Knuckles, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Samurai Goroh, Geno, Skull Kid, Shantae, Banjo Kazooie, Paper Mario, Guile, Chun-Li, There are so many options to choose from.

>>15990062

There will obviously be huge chunks that are copy-pasted, but the game was transferred to a new engine so a calling it a port is highly unlikely already.

>>15990090

These are not really synonymous with a port. Physics or the "Render Engine" can be changed, and it can still be a port.

>>15990426

>Their entire competitive scene is built around retardedly exploiting a damn bug in the game.

Like combos in Street Fighter II?

>>15990449

Don't fall for the bait anon.

>>15990505

isn't his down special his tail impale thing

>>15990513

Yeah, but horizontal instead of vertical. More like the Zero Mission attack pattern instead of the pogo.

>>15990505

Some of the options Sakky took are incredibly retarded, his Wario moveset is indeed one, absolutely correct.

>>15990513

Not the one I was talking about. The one where he uses his tail from the air as a downward spear attack.

>>15990505

I do miss PM Wario. Ramming people was so satisfying. Especially when they made his running grab look like the shoulder charge. Shame they took that out.

>>15987492

>>15987550

I don't get the Nintendo worship at all. It's as if they substitute their religious impulses for BING BING WAHOO, it's so ridiculous

This could be cool, but it won't, because instead of adjusting actually important shit, it will just serve to reimplement all the Melee glitches again. At the very least, it means there will probably be other mods that do what I'd want.

Okay, get me started on this. Does Yuzu even work with Smash ultimate? I haven't tried it yet.

>>15991755

No, because the devs are massive moralfags and would rather try to get Undertale running

And no I'm not joking

>Tfw even if this mod takes cues for PM we will likely not get the PM movesets ported over

Playing Sonic in PM feels so good, it's like a completely different universe from Brawl/4/Ultimate. Not to mention the completely crazy overhauls for Lucario, Wario, Ivysaur, etc.

Honestly I'd probably prefer a PM 4.0 to an Ultimate overhaul just because of all the work that won't get ported like the old costumes, sunglasses taunts, movesets, playable Ocarina, and more that added to the whole experience besides the tight as fuck mechanics.

>>15991752

What do you think should be adjusted? The stamina mode with no boundaries combined with tubro mode in PM was the most fun I've had in Smash in a long time.

>>15989710

Smash 4 had better gameplay but Brawl had better single player content. Guess it depends which you prefer.

>>15989724

saucenao

iqdb

pixiv file name in the source (replace the url of pixiv images with that number to get it)

All of this will give you source

>>15989762

>I dont recall Nintendo ever going full SHUT IT DOWN to any modders.

Despite the PM devs being opportunistic fags Project M's abrupt end was still always suspect despite the fact they were planning a major update.

>>15990426

>>15991752

Exploit =/= bug

This reminds me

>there are still retards who think L-Cancelling is a bug even though it was a mechanic in Smash 64 and detailed on the official site

>>15990101

You know Lipfag, if you're so dead set on having her in the game then you could consider learning how to mod smash as a contingency plan.

>>15987866

>You only want to main Piranha Plant for the irony.

Or I just enjoy chomping on niggers.

>>15994128

>If the games code was carried over from the WIIU why couldnt they carry over some of the previous content and gamemodes that I loved?

I'd say so they could sell it later as dlc, but Nintendo doesn't even seem to be doing that, despite it being practically guaranteed shekels.

test

>>15990115

They redid the engine. Movesets are lua2cpp and they're compiled into assembly.

The old engine was animcmd.

>>15987492

Nyx is a hack who can't do jack shit on his own. He broadcasts his stupid shit all over Twitter even though it probably took spoonfeeding from everyone who did the real work

>>15994324

You wanna know why there hasn't been a PM yet? Because every single dev who calls themselves the next PM is a fucking hack. Come 6 months later and the project is dead anyway because they don't know anything, they just want to be hot shit.

The smash modding 'community' is toxic.

>>15987550

They need to calm the fuck down, Brawl died because it had shit like tripping and meta knight not project M, if anything project M saved Brawl

Ultimate will stay as is since its a different game entirely than either melee or brawl

>>15994335

>unironically saying toxic

Wew nigger

>>15994421

There's literally nothing wrong with that word.

>>15994807

There is everything wrong with it and you're a niggerfaggot if you think otherwise. It's the enemy's word, and if you let your enemy dictate your thought through their words, they've already won.

>>15987492

>>15987499

Okay, but will they do anything about Samus and Bayonetta getting size reductions?

>>15987507

>>15987499

>>15987513

>>15987518

I'm gonna be honest, even as someone that liked project M (for reasons outside of the melee-style mechanics), this looks like pure autism to me. Is there really anything wrong with ultimate's gameplay? Like, fundamentally, is there something to gain out of this level of mechanics abuse other than fighting game autism e-peen?

>>15996003

>Is there really anything wrong with ultimate's gameplay?

>shitty neutered wavedash

>can't even waveland off platforms

>shitty dash dancing

>7 frame input lag/buffer

>hitstun cancel is still a thing

>ledge trump is still a thing

>magnet hands are still a thing

>reduced damage on short hop aerials

Why even allow wavedashing if you are going out of your way to make it as useless and boring as possible?

>>15994324

Interesting on the engine bit. Still wondering how the guy was able to brute force his numbers in.

>>15996029

>shitty neutered wavedash

>can't even waveland off platforms

>shitty dash dancing

You're speaking to me in autism. Don't speak to me in autism.

>7 frame input lag/buffer

I can grasp why input buffer would be considered a bad thing, but at the same time, coming from the world of the souls games, it's not a make or break kind of mechanic.

As long as it's consistent, it can add a layer of depth by requiring you to make sure that the inputs you select are both timed properly and the exact input you wanted to make.

It doesn't lower the skill ceiling, only raises the skill floor (by punishing people that spam inputs).

>hitstun cancel is still a thing

Not according to the wiki, but the game did just come out so I wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong: https://www.ssbwiki.com/Hitstun_canceling

>ledge trump is still a thing

Is this *really* a serious enough problem to necessitate a mod to fix?

>magnet hands are still a thing

Fair, this I could do without, but again, this doesn't seem a big enough or common enough irritation to necessitate a mod to fix, it's more something that just needs to be played around.

>reduced damage on short hop aerials

….so?

>Why even allow wavedashing if you are going out of your way to make it as useless and boring as possible?

Maybe because they want you to use it, but not in the exact same broken way that it was used in melee? To me it says that they want to find a middle ground between meleefags and casuals, and there's nothing really wrong with that.

>>15996003

>Is there really anything wrong with ultimate's gameplay?

>Three jump buttons

>Game still expects you to do 0.5 X-presses to short hop

There are about six redundant controls on the default control scheme but you can't map anything useful to them.

>>15996087

>muh autism

Every time.

The issue with the input lag is not one of skill ceiling/floor, it's simply obnoxious to the players and makes everything feel delayed. Smash and DS games are not comparable.

Hitstun cancel is still very much a thing, it's the reason combos are still absolute garbage.

Sakurai doesn't want the casuals to get punished TOO hard for their mistakes and that means no one gets to have a combos of more than 2 hits.

Ledge trump and magnet hands are mechanics that exist solely to facilitate recovery to the point edge guarding is absolutely pointless and gimping is so hard it's never worth it.

Why bother going off stage if you are more likely to get stage spiked than getting rewarded for capitalizing on your advantageous state. You are better off just trying to cover ledge getup options because your opponent will instantly snap to ledge no matter the spacing of their recovery.

In what way is Melee wavedashing broken? It's a spacing tool available to every single character.

If they were trying to find a middle ground between casuals and Meleefags they failed spectacularly because the wavedash in ultimate is so laggy and short it servers absolutely no purpose.

With nintendo looking towards esports a bit, expect mods to be diacouraged by anyone looking to make sponsored dosh.

>>15996087

>Muh melee wavedashing is broken

Real talk, do you even know what it is or how it is performed? Do you even know what it does for you?

>>15996138

>it's simply obnoxious to the players and makes everything feel delayed.

You might be confusing input lag and input buffer.

Input lag is always bad and should be reduced as much as possible, but from what I've seen SmashU only adds 1 frame of input lag over Smash4, which is obviously bad, but it's only one frame.

Input buffer wouldn't be a factor in skilled play unless you make a mistake in queuing the wrong input. Otherwise, your abilities play out at the end of the animation exactly as they would have if you had pressed the button at the exact frame the animation completed.

I guess reading how they changed that from 4 and brawl would actually make the skill floor lower, rather than higher, but it doesn't stop you from doing frame-perfect inputs if you feel inclined to do so. (input lag withstanding).

>Smash and DS games are not comparable.

Only if you're a short-sighted pleb who thinks that game mechanics are genre-specific

>>15996138

>Hitstun cancel is still very much a thing, it's the reason combos are still absolute garbage.

Realistically no one enjoys being locked into a situation where there is no escape and no way to counterplay. Being able to punish mistakes is important, and being rewarded for mastery of input is also important, but take it too far and the highest level of play it starts becoming a game of "who gets their infinite combo off first" and that's neither all that exciting to watch nor all that fun to play. It's why you see almost every fighting game these days give some way to break combo or recover from a mistake even after taking massive damage. Sure, you're right, it's not ELITE PRO GODLIKE MASSIVE PERFECT SKILL gameplay, but that's the exact kind of fighting game autism e-peen I was talking about in the first post.

>Why bother going off stage if you are more likely to get stage spiked than getting rewarded for capitalizing on your advantageous state.

Great rewards should come with great risks, I suppose.

>In what way is Melee wavedashing broken?

>>15996180

>Muh melee wavedashing is broken

I meant "broken" in terms of it being an unintended feature/exploit of the game's mechanics, not that it is "broken" as in unfair. Poor word choice.

Was the buffer system created as a response to higher input lag?

>>15996218

No, only to allow the uncareful timing of moves to hit frame-perfect.

>>15996196

It's input lag m8, the buffer just makes it worse.

Combos in Smash games have never been like the ones found in traditional fighting games, there is no real way to have an infinite combo when we have damage based knockback, the stale move mechanic and DI. There's no excuse for hitstun cancel other than coddling casuals.

It's not about autism or e-peens, it's about rewarding skill rather than bad decisions.

>inb4 wobbling

>Great rewards should come with great risks

The player that already controls the stage should be allowed to capitalize on that, the only thing ledge trumping and magnet hands accomplish is to encourage the '1 hit return to neutral' play-style because combos are nonexistant and everyone gets to grab ledge for free.

>>15996218

Don't listen to >>15996226 because that's exactly why it was reworked, except more specifically for online play. Thanks to input buffer, you could still reasonably execute combos even with a few frames of delay from network lag, as long as you understand how to use it properly.

>>15996226

Here I was thinking input buffer was made because input lag is getting worse and worse with each more graphically intensive game. So with more input lag a buffer is made to chain inputs together easier. Not sure what we can do for input lag besides slow the game down in general to compensate.

>>15996236

Online lag is why I was thinking input buffer was made fit as well. Online lag will always be worse than in person. So buffer system would work in that scenario. I'll take a buffer over slowing the game down. Sorry I'm slow with the response.

>>15994324

>lua

Holy shit, that's why that sonic 06 modding program did a better job at recognizing the files inside the .arc file than anything Nintendo archive-focused I've tried so far. Good to know, anon, there's some sort of light at the end of this tunnel. I'm still getting the emalloc error for the php script in >>15994043

, most likely because nobody anticipated an >10GB autism file, and there's no php.ini in sight for the script. Also, one of the retarded programs I tried that didn't work flat out deleted the arc file for whatever reason, so I created the arc file from the nsp again, and made a backup copy.

Still trying my best to blow the lid off this thing.

>>15996244

>>15996236

True, it is both, that should be mentioned. For one, it allows you to buffer moves when frames of lag are introduced, hence why for example PM netplay has a buffer system that allows better online play. However, in offline play, it allows you to queue up a move when you are performing another move, are in hitstun or something else. This allows you to be less precise with your inputs, since you don't have to time them when hitstun is over.

>>15996235

>there is no real way to have an infinite combo when we have damage based knockback

Maybe not in the traditional understanding of "infinite combo", but since smash doesn't have combos like in "traditional fighting games" then it would stand to reason that the understanding of an infinite combo would also have to shift. I.e., you'd be more talking about situations where the defending player doesn't have the chance to properly counterattack or escape a combo because the attacking player has better hit priority/better movement ability. At this point I'll admit that I'm out of my depth since I don't play smash competitively or follow the scene much, but watching comp matches of melee/project M it seems to me like some players aren't even able to react once they get locked into a combo.

>The player that already controls the stage should be allowed to capitalize on that

They are, technically, it's just a lot harder. Considering that being off the stage is being one step away from losing a stock, making it harder to seal the deal isn't *always* a bad thing. It could theoretically make for more exciting moments of play. Maybe not in this specific execution though.

>>15996277

There's always a way to escape a combo through DI, if you are struggling to escape a combo it's most likely because you are in a bad matchup playing a heavy character. Heavies like Ganondorf and Bowser are referred to as combo fodder for a reason but they make up for it in other ways.

You are most likely seeing a lot of compilations where bad DI will get people killed in ridiculously low percents but that's not really representative of how Melee and PM matches go most of the times, not to mention kills come a lot faster in higher level play overall.

>>15996277

Smash has always had weird combos, and yeah, some combos are infinite - if you are not able to DI and SDI (changing angle of launch and 'wriggling' out of an attach respectively) you are bound to lose a stock very quickly. One example of this is the Snake Cypher combo in PM:

> Up-B

> Enemy gets hit

> drop from cypher, immediately downair

> The last hit from downair is really strong, but the hits before are weak and have set knockback

> hit the enemy with one of the first few hits

> enemy is knocked on the floor with large hitstun

> rinse and repeat

At a certain point the combo stops working since the KB of the attacks are too strong and push the enemy out. However, mashing in Smash is annoying, and is usually replied to late.

Another example is Fox's upthrow>upair, or the Puffkiller. The first hit is weak and has set KB. The second hit is strong and kills at low %. Puff players are usually able to SDI (move away in the first hit) and get killed much later.

At least, that is what I understand what you are talking about.

>>15996312

PM Snake's down air is pretty controversial on it's own, it can really fuck with the bigger characters on low percents.

>>15996327

I only play Snake occasionally, I am (or was) a filthy filthy Zelda main, but I am now switching over to Samus and ZSS because the former has no good grounded spacing moves.

>>15996311

So, what would you say if only heavy characters were able to hitstun cancel?

>>15996361

It would make them broken.

The lighter characters in general need some setup in order to kill, if you allowed only heavies to hitstun cancel you would be pretty much making them immortal.

An experienced heavy character player should know how to play their strengths via crouch cancelling and proper spacing but a big reason Heavies are generally on the lower tiers is because it's a lot easier to grab Mario and combo someone up to 70% to setup for a forward air than it is to get some good reads as Ganon, even considering his superior range and overall killing power.

Heavyweight balancing has been a pretty big issue in Smash for a long time but i do think PM is a step in the right direction with Ganon's Dark Descent, Bowser's fireball or Ike's Quickdraw cancel.

>>15996405

Ike is so fucking fun to play in PM, the jump cancelable side-B combined with the optional final attack and walljump gives him so much more options

>>15996456

He's a lot of fun and i fucking hate him.

>>15996477

True, but I think it is the most balanced game in the series.

>>15996509

Speaking of balance. Has anyone used that custom balance feature in the options for anything at all? Buffing Wii Fit Trainer, anything like that?

>>15993762

I know that theory. I am hesitant to believe Nintendo 100% dindu nuffin in regards to it, they never liked PM and their history had this quite clear, especially back then when it had a pretty impressive tournament/streaming life. I also never believed the PM devs were victims though, hence me calling them "opportunistic fags", I am sure they were glad to kill PM for their own gay shit (that thankfully crashed a burned)

>>15996255

You are using the wrong tool, use https://github.com/Ploaj/ArcCross

>>15997527

There's this

>>15995924

>>15995647

It's a low test way of saying faggot.

>>15997837

>Smash Infinite

Why would anybody play that cobbled-together dogshit.

>>15995647

>if you let your enemy dictate your thought through their words, they've already won

Nigger stop for a moment and think about what you just wrote.

>>15997837

>Proof Melee fags won't ever be happy until everything they touch turns into fucking Melee

It'd be nice if this game actually played like a good game, yeah. What's it like to feel threatened by a game mod?

>>15998052

Kill yourself.

>>15998056

Did I strike a nerve?

>>15996509

My only wish is that they removed all the particle effects and made moves for the JRPG characters less flashy, they legit give me headaches

>being this gay

>>15997837

This. Nyx is a fucking retarded hack anyway, he just wants GBP from autistic meleefaggots.

>>15998052

bath time for stinky.

>>15987866

>no emotional attachment to piranha plant

Does this person not know about autism?

>>15999560

>To play better

More like playing exactly like everyone else.

>We throw all kinds of shade at street fighter 5 to hell and back for it's casualization, and yet when people found a competitive way to play melee

>when people found a competitive way to play melee

That's the problem. It was never intended to be played that way. You can say the same about street fighter combo system, but then sequels expanded that combo system. In this case, is more like smash instead of expanding it just fixes it, because, again, it was never intended to be played like that.

>Truly if smash is a casual fighting game, what do you fucking care?

If you want actual fighting games, there are dozens in the market. there's even a ponyfucked fighting game. Why does Smash have to be the same as absolutely every other fighting game? The fact that tourneyfags have to get rid of literally all features of the game in order to make it competitive speak volumes.

Competitive faggots are autistic, so they should be laughed at.

>Are competitive fags coming in and dictating how you play the game?

Yes.

>>15999587

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are there ANY serious fighting games with vertical movement comparable to smash? Most fighting games use extremely limited movement, a step here or a jump there, rather than the full (2d) freedom of movement that Smash and clones has.

If I'm right about this, than even with basically every other feature stripped out, Smash still offers something unique over other other types of fighting games, which fits since it certainly looks like it plays in a unique way compared to them.

>>15999608

I was being sarcastic, i thought the stuttering was a dead giveaway.

>>15999614

Shit, i thought you were shitposting from a different point of view entirely. Disregard my post, then.

>>15999623

Understandable.

>>15999683

Did you get to see how cancerous the Ultimate threads were around release? They were absolutely plagued with faggots defending casualization.

Now that the hype died down most of them fucked off apparently.

>>15999727

They all feel vindicated when shitting on Melee and extremely threatened with the mere prospect of learning even slightly complex tech.

>>15999739

>Icons

That's a great fucking joke anon.

>still defending casualiztion

Sakurai was fully aware of what he was doing when developing Melee and 64, he just decided to start casualizing with Brawl and still holds that design philosophy today.

>>15999748

Yeah, it's totally because they appealed to tourneyfags and not the shitty trailers, art style, monetization, garbage animations, woke writing and ugly designs.

>>15999756

>Sakurai was fully aware of what he was doing when developing Melee and 64

Doubt it. Glitches need to be corrected, not pandered.

>Yeah, it's totally because they appealed to tourneyfags and not the shitty trailers, art style, monetization, garbage animations, woke writing and ugly designs.

But anon, what about the gameplay? It was done by the same guys who did Project M, isn't it?

>>15999762

>Also thanks for out right admitting that you want the game to be and stay casual.

I do, because it always have. I'd have the same problem with anyone who suddendly demanded Mario Party or WarioWare to be competitive because they found an exploit somewhere.

As I said, there are thousands of competitive games around. Why would someone want to turn Smash into one of those? The fact that people turn items off is aggravating enough.

>>15999786

>It was done by the same guys who did Project M, isn't it?

almost all of the original team was gone by the time Icons dropped

>>15999786

>oy vey people play in a way I don't want them to

>this triggers me, sakurai please fix!!!!11!

Go back to shitter to complain with all the other nintenyearolds.

>>15999795

I forgot to add :^)

>>15999807

Pretty much, anon. There's little you can do about it. This is where I justify the modders getting the boot.

I bet you're a sequence breaking faggot too.

>>15999811

>Have fun ONLY in the way the (((Developer))) intended goy

you should probably go

Smash 64 is a cool game with CURAYZEE combos

>Brawl was the most casual one and it actually tried to be a good game

and failed horribly

at least the later games removed tripping and weren't as floaty

>>15999885

@

>>15999861

>5 games in a series

>they each have upsides and downsides

>useless autists lose their shit if dedicated autists create hybrid projects to port loved but excluded features from older iterations

This is a disease of the soul. It rails against individual taste, but above all else it forbids initiative and input from the consumer. Read how many of those comments specifically or abstractly cite the supposed gratitude we should have to a corporate entity that they showed us any game at all. I have always taken the ephitet Nintendrone as tongue in cheek, but there is a literal horde of rage filled true believers ready to burn down the scientist's workshop because he dared to take matters into his own hands and crossed into the territory of the divine, on which we must simply wait on for approved provision. This is the true form of Der normalfag, untermensch by insistence, willing corporate fodder. Shadowrun is real.

AGDG would make their heads explode.

>>15999898

The funny thing is most tourneyfags don't even LIKE final destination.

PM tourneyfag here. Project NX looks cool, but it has zero chance of ever taking off, or reaching even a fraction of the success that PM had.

PM was only able to reach the level it did because of its accessibility. All you needed to play it was a copy of Brawl and an SD card, so even the lowest knuckle dragging normalfags could play it. Switch hacking requires either spending extra money on a jig, or potentially damaging your switch by jamming a paper clip into it, and a payload launcher, or being smart enough to set up a payload launcher app on your phone. It's not hard, but it's still beyond what the vast majority of people are willing to go through just to try a mod. It's about as easy as setting up a Wii for USB loading, and I get asked for help with that from people who can't figure it out on their own on a regular basis. Not to mention that it's not even possible to hack Switches that were made past a certain build date. And even if someone has a switch with the RCM vulnerability, and can figure out how to do it, they probably won't want to if they already enjoy Smush, because if you make just one mistake and let your Switch connect to Nintendo's servers for even one minute while running custom firmware, you're banned from all online functions.

Unless someone finds a way to launch Project NX from within Smush, with no risk of connecting to Nintendo's servers, and with a method that Nintendo can't patch out, it might as well just remain vaporware.

>>16000326

>launch Project NX from within Smush

With Sma5h so moddable already, how hard would it be to actually repurpose one of the buttons on the dashboard into launching a homebrew launcher?

>>16000338

As soon as you modify the game, it's unsigned code. Unless I'm completely out of the loop on Switch hacking, the only way to run unsigned code is either through the RCM exploit, or to already have the Switch running custom firmware. What you propose is basically circular logic.

>>15999885

>Muh tripping

I love how Melee fags still choke on that.

>>16000269

>AGDG would make their heads explode.

Well, that's because Autistic Games Done Quick is shit.

>>16000316

What do they play, then? Battlefield? I'm sure Ultimate added an option to make all stages battlefield, additional to make all stages final destination.

>>16000338

It's not only not hard, it's already common practice to replace the album button with the homebrew launcher.

>>16000357

Noted, thanks.

t. Not a programmer.

>>16000358

AGDG, not AGDQ

>>16000359

That's pretty cool, but I wonder how it jives with >>16000357 .

>>16000369

You can replace the album button with the homebrew launcher, you just have to use the RCM exploit or custom firmware to do it.

>>15999898

I love it when games are hacked and modded even if I don't play them. If someone finds entertainment out of this mod then great. I find hacks and mods interesting because I love reading how those with the time reverse engineer the numbers to make the game do what they want. Japan has just put in a law to end console modding and save editing. It's so bad that some fear you cannot change the barrery out of your 3DS without breaking the law. If we are not careful then the anti-modder shillers will convince the new population of voters to elect their puppets and impose anti-modding laws in the west.

Tr4.5h purists, you shitters don't have to mod your game to play like Melee. I personally don't like Melee as much as 64. Yes I have shit taste. However I'm not going to shit on those that are modding every game to play like Melee because it doesn't affect me nor the community I play with.

THOSE THAT WANT TO SHUT DOWN MODS DO AFFECT HOW I ENJOY SMASH BROS. AND EVERY VIDEO GAME IN THE WORLD BY CONVINCING LAEMAKERS TO TAKE AWAY MORE RIGHTS ON HOW I AM ALLOWED TO ENJOY THE MEDIUM I OWN TO THE POINT YOU DON'T OWN NOTHING GOYIM. ANTI-MODDING IS ANTI-FREEDOM.

>>16000393

I never said I hated modding, you idiot. I hate the fact that you retards keep buying garbage and whining about it as if it's everyone else's fault that Todd keeps making skyrim. How about you mod a better game? How about you not buy the games until Nintendo stops making garbage and then start modding the game.

When I mentioned modding I was trying to make everyone aware that game had a mechanic put in it deliberately to make it less fun was still purchased, played competitively, and modded by those who whined about it the most. I never even bought brawl because it sucked so much ass and yet tourneyfags like you did. Instead of putting your foot down and playing a better game, you still give nintendo your money so you can try to fix their garbage (even if you pirated the game, you still have to buy a switch). You're the reason the mod is even "necessary" in the first place.

>>15988255

panties for isabelle first

>>16000412

To be fair, faggot, I doubt anyone here actually bought the game. R-right?

>>16000412

I like Smash 64 more than Melee. I'm not a tourney fag. Anti-modders need to be pointed out as to why they are shit and running all games for everyone.

>>16000436

He replied directly to me even after I called the antimodder the biggest of faggots. It should be clear enough that I am not antimodding, just anti-esports/tournyfag. I'm happy that modding is making progress.

>>16000422

All I can tell you is that launch day is when the smash threads got the most attention, besides the early hype threads. That is to say, the post leak threads got very little traffic with at least one fag whining about the mexicans "ruining" it by uploading the game. Some did admit to buying the game after launch. Can't tell you if any of them are tourney fags.

>>16000412

Take a shower, lardass.

>>16000455

Fair enough. Sadly the modders will try to make SmashU into Melee again. I'm hoping someone gets really bored and decides to create a character creation kit where I can hopefully mod Lufia in as a fighter. Don't worry. Developer is officially dead. The IP rights belongs to publisher that will never bring it back. I'm not going to Lipfag about it. I just want to play a proper magical girl in Smash Bros. that uses JRPG black magic because she would be a mechanically interesting character. High damage low launch power up close. Low percentage high launch power further you step back. That's all I will disclose about this idea.

>>15999505

>>16000462

>smashfags telling anybody to shower

>>16000436

I never hear opinions other than melee is best, or current smash game is best (ignoring PM since it's a mod). Why do you like 64 better?

>>15996091

>half A press reference

>>16000588

sad thing that it's only a few pannels, i wish it was real and not made ironically.

>>16000588

>go on patrol with beastboy

>talk about fucking his girl as if he's deaf

My favorite webcomic is the furry one. You know the one.

>>16000548

Fundamentals. Smash 64 has a balance of polish and experimentation you can only find with a new Nintendo IP back in the day. Melee is more advanced mechanically but at the same time it's broken. I know call me a shitter. Melee's meta is about trying to exploit the game in a new way to win. Smash 64 was about mastering the fundamentals first, then using what you learned against your opponent to win. It was a design philosophy you saw with early Kirby games. The games were easy to pick up but difficult to complete and master.

That said Melee needs credit where Melee is due. The faster speed, momentum, and wavedashing are all things that could have been improved upon as mainstay game mechanics. But then Brawl happened. Sakurai didn't want to make Brawl. Iwata wanted Brawl to be for nursing homes. After Brawl Sakurai hates Smash so much he may be unintentionally hold the game back from being their best. Next game I want Sakurai to pass on the toybox to his students but leave himself the producer to have final say so in what makes a Smash Bros. game and tell Nintendo to piss off if they overreach.

The fundamentals of Smash Bros. need to be improved. Ultimate leaves me content, but never happy. Melee is interesting to study but unless you exploit the game you will lose unless you choose Fox or Marth. Smash 64 is still a good fun time even competitively because the fundamentals of gameplay hold strong to play even without extra complexity of Melee.

If Melee had more time for polish or if I was younger then maybe I'd enjoy Melee more. Smash 64 is still my personal favorite after all these years.

Anti-modder is worse than Lipfag.

>>15999505

>>16000462

>quoting kotaku articles

>quoting kotaku articles made by women

>>15999861

>Smash4 was devoid of content because it banked off you literal homosexuals eating it up for your gay ass tournaments.

Smash 4 was devoid of content because they were dumbasses who wanted to split content between two different versions of the same game they didn't even need to exist you retard.

How the fuck did you miss this?

>>16000617

>not made ironically

You're having a laugh. Please tell me there was some autist who made that webcomic and he was being completely serious.

>>15999606

>t are there ANY serious fighting games with vertical movement comparable to smash?

mahvel

>melee is shit, and unbalanced joke of a game that only had 4-5 viable characters

literally mvc2 and it's still one of the most beloved fightan among casuals because balence ≠ fun

>>16000737

>but unless you exploit the game you will lose

most fightan is like this. even sf2 mostly comes down to abusing setups and creating situations that weren't really intended in the game's design. in many cases, exploits make the game more fun and interesting than it would be otherwise

>korean backdashing

>2g bug

>roll cancels

>unblockables

>ball set glitch

>jump install

exploiting bugs and gimmicks is part of the core of fighting games

>>16000846

oh and i forgot the most important ones:

option selects & kara throws.

>>16000822

>If you add together the version specific content, you still barely get anything, you faggot apologist

Yes, because they worked on two different versions at the same time which is not feasible or reasonable in the slightest.

Had Smash 4 been it subjected to only one platform it would have been a completely different game, not just 3Ds/Wii U slapped in one. You underestimate how much working on two versions fucked everything up and likely made them cut corners.

>>16001084

I am still confused as to why the fuck they did that.

Are handheld versions of fighting games ever good?

Yes, I know, >smash >fighting game

But the point still stands.

>>16000765

Teen Titans was a shit cartoon and everyone who liked it should be killed.

>>15993353

Holy fuck that is some DBZ tier shit going on in that video.

>>15993353

That's some really good lethal league gameplay.

>>16001460

Sequels to good games have a tendency to sell better than the good games do in the first place. This has been a law of video games for at least a decade.

>>16001497

I know you're telling a joke but games in a series almost never sell on their own merits.

>>16001502

So your saying Melee sold on the back of the far superior Smash 64.

>>16001507

Yes.

can this mod bring back smash 4 style stat customization?

>>16001507

Melee sells now on its own merits. It is the highest demand smash game in the secondary market and the smash game people most desire to see again. All new Smash games are compared to it.

This is only tangentially related, but is there any dedicated Smash community that isn't ribbit? I want daily clips, news, player drama, tweets, and so on, but without having to put up with the constantly crying faggots on /r/smashbros. /smashbros/ on this site is dead, there are no regular /ssbg/s, and the occasional thread here doesn't do enough for me (plus as much as I don't like cucks I don't like "hurr durr u autist if u don't only play pokefloats items on high xd" faggots either).

>>16002240

how's smashboards?

>>16002240

I just watch youtube channels like this https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCutCDYr-4OMz9acob9kXh6Q/videos

>>16002240

There's no uncucked Smash forum or community, your best bet are imageboards in the end. Every other place will crucify you for criticizing Ultimate or for talking about PM Lyn and Knuckles like Smashboards.

>>16002240

It's still plebbit, but you might try a small sub there called /r/ProjectMDiedForThis. It was started to make fun of Icons, talk about leaked PM content, etc. and has now turned into a general purpose free Smash sub. It's the only dedicated Smash place I know of that hates the /r/smashbros faggot clique as much as people like us do while also being full of mostly competitively-oriented Melee/PM/64 players, and there's plenty of criticisms of Ultimate on it too. It's pretty slow but it gets at least a few posts per day.

Of course once again it's still plebbit so tbh I wish they'd all just migrate to /smashbros/ and revive that instead but I guess they think being on reddit is funnier as it allows random /r/smashbros babies to stumble on their sub to be laughed at.

>>16002260

>for talking about PM Lyn and Knuckles like Smashboards.

what, why?

>>16002315

Smashboards banned all discussion about the leaked PM characters because they are a bunch of faggots that still choke on Strongbad and Warchamp's cock to this day.

>>16002277

Thanks, I'll try it out. Link in case anybody else wants to check it out: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProjectMDiedForThis/

By ribbbit standards it looks not bad at all. I see some people saying fag and nigger already so it must not be too cucked.

>>16002331

>>16002243

I'm probably the only one who remembers The Endless Super Smash Bros. Melee Story.

>>16000357

The switch can still run unsigned code if some application doesn't verify it first, such as web browser or video player apps.

Deja Vu is one exploit that's been partially leaked.

>>16000842

SaltyNX will probably have unpacked arc loading soon but currently it's unfinished https://github.com/shinyquagsire23/SaltyNX

>>16002864

bruh just git gud

>>16002864

>It's not like having multiple games with multiple strengths and merits is a good thing!

Other than having fancier graphics (barely fancier than Sm4sh though) and more characters (which is only debatably good at this point in the first place), what strengths and merits does Ultimate have over Melee?

Melee fans are elitist because when you strip the Smash games of their frivolous aspects, when you reduce them to pure strategy, mechanics, and tactile gamefeel (that is, fundamental ludic engines for genuine extended, thoughtful play and not simply oohing and aahing at having more cartoons and wacky stages), Melee is indisputably the best Smash game. When you're actually a Smash fan and not simply a casual who plays the newest game for 6 months then moves on to the next trend, you need actual depth and complexity, not just a slightly more varied casual content safari.

Post-Melee Smash games are like if chess were turned into a checkers crossed with rock paper scissors with MOBA-style heroes. That'd probably be more exciting for retards sure, but don't you think actual chess players would have a good reason to be elitist against it?

>One game per genre only, ever!

Smash isn't a genre you stupid Cultimate faggot.

>Let's not forget that the "Better than the devs!" creators of this shit tried their hand at making something original only to fall flat on their fucking faces

How did they fall flat on their faces? If you're talking about PM, it basically completely replaced Brawl and made it obsolete.

Learn to wavedash and git gud you little bitch.

>>16003113

I'm saying each game did something well. Maybe not as much as others, and maybe those things aren't as important to everyone as some things are, but each has a specialization in my feeling.

64 laid the foundation mechanics and introduced the concept of this weirdo fighting game where there's no life bars, as well as platforming and the like. I'm not sure there was anything as vertical as smash before this.

Melee introduced a more refined set of mechanics and yes, when it comes to dueling and one on one combat, it's probably the indisputable king. This is why it's so highly regarded by competitive players, it's the best at competitive play. It has some minor balance issues, but those sort of pale in light of the general feel of combat. I loved playing as Mewtwo even though (as I recall) he was ultra-scrub teir and somewhat ineffective at the best of times.

Brawl was more notable for its single-player content like Subspace Emmisary and graphical polish. It also marked a move away from dueling as a focus and more towards large group… well, brawls, with more mixups and stage hazards. Final Smashes as items were also introduced at this time, further emphasizing a focus away from balanced, competitive play.

4 was the foray into online, DLC, and some shifts around singleplayer content. This is the Smash I personally have the least experience with, but it's also notable for being the first to be on handheld, and the only. Again, we see a focus on larger matches, singleplayer content, etc.

Ultimate appears to be an attempt to balance all of these aspects - Online play, duels, large matches, singleplayer content - into a more cohesive whole. I think it does this decently. It also has a notably massive roster and a lot of general content (like music).

I believe each game can be recognized for its own merits. There's a lot more to Smash than one on one duels, and that's something a lot of 'true' fans seem all too happy to forget. Without the event matches, the single player modes, the collectibles, Smash would be just a clone of any other fighting game with some more verticality, weird life bars, and laughably simple inputs. Is that what you want?

>>16003357

>They don't have merits because they are not Melee

Melee fags are autistic Wii U is irredeemable outside of introducing characters like Bayonetta and stats, though

>>16003237

>I'm saying each game did something well. Maybe not as much as others, and maybe those things aren't as important to everyone as some things are, but each has a specialization in my feeling.

This is leftist faggot logic. "Every race does something well! Sure, for whites it's inventing and advancing civilization and for blacks it's basketball and dancing, but still." No Melee player has ever said that everything about every other Smash game is terrible. But all of the decent content in the world means nothing if it's presented to you through a shitty engine, just like nig nogs being good at dancing doesn't make up for them being a drain on any decent civilization.

If you think it does, why not play Angry Birds or Fortnite? Both have a lot of muh content too. The answer is that because fundamentally they're both shit, just like playing Smash with moon gravity and massive input lag (Ultimate has more than any other Smash game) is shit when you're used to smoothness and responsiveness.

He who sacrifices fundamentally solid gameplay for more of muh content deserves neither. It's like a 3 year old who doesn't understand why people prefer baseball and not laser teeball with cartoon mascots running around and free pizza. Don't they understand how much more ~F U N~ the teeball looks?

>64 laid the foundation mechanics and introduced the concept of this weirdo fighting game where there's no life bars, as well as platforming and the like. I'm not sure there was anything as vertical as smash before this.

64 is actually still a decent competitive game since it wasn't made with the post-Melee philosophy of handicapping the skill ceiling for no good reason and has some noteworthy differences from Melee (more hitstun), making it a reasonably fun and deep Melee alternative for variety's sake, so you'll get no argument from me here.

>Brawl was more notable for its single-player content like Subspace Emmisary and graphical polish.

SSE is nice (in PM) but once again it all goes back to the conundrum that because video games must inherently present their content through a ludic engine, more content or even more good content isn't necessarily better if the engine itself is flawed. It's like choosing between going to a tiny museum with a spectacular environment or a huge prestigious museum with every great painting ever made, except you have to wear heavily tinted sunglasses the entire time. Sure, it's great that the second museum has more paintings, but the sunglasses are going to ruin any one you look at anyway so it doesn't matter.

>It also marked a move away from dueling as a focus and more towards large group… well, brawls, with more mixups and stage hazards.

>>16003417

Brawl didn't support any more players than Melee did. Also good job revealing that you have no idea what a "mixup" is in fighting game terminology lol.

>4 was the foray into online, DLC, and some shifts around singleplayer content. This is the Smash I personally have the least experience with, but it's also notable for being the first to be on handheld, and the only. Again, we see a focus on larger matches, singleplayer content, etc.

Sm4sh's single-player is absolutely notorious for being shit, so I wouldn't say there's a larger focus on it. I don't know of anyone who genuinely likes 8 player Smash either. It's too much to keep up with. It just turns the game into RNG pinball.

>Ultimate appears to be an attempt to balance all of these aspects - Online play, duels, large matches, singleplayer content - into a more cohesive whole. I think it does this decently. It also has a notably massive roster and a lot of general content (like music).

How does Ultimate balance anything? It cut out half of the features of all of the other games (homerun contest, trophies, break the targets, stadium minigames, platforming levels, etc.) in favor of one fuckhuge glorified event mode (WoL) where you collect shitty gacha ripoff PNGs and not much else. The online is also a downgrade from Sm4sh, it doesn't support any more players than Sm4sh, etc. There's nothing cohesive about it. It's cool that they were able to put so many characters in but ultimately it doesn't mean much as a lot of them are pretty uninspired moveset-wise and there are only so many fighting game archetypes anyway. Quality > quantity

>There's a lot more to Smash than one on one duels, and that's something a lot of 'true' fans seem all too happy to forget.

Sure, but there's zero reason why the one-on-one duels (that is, the basic gameplay) had to be made shitty to add in any of that content. It'd be like if a new Mario came out that automatically did the jumping for you. Would you defend that if it had 5,000 uniquely designed levels? Why not? It's content, right, and not all Mario games have to be the same, right?

The reason you're defending post-Melee Smash is because you are not good enough at Melee to understand why what they butchered its mechanics into is analogous to my example of a Mario game where the jumping is automatic. You're a kid with an iPhone not understanding why crotchety old /tech/fags with their PCs want to be able to install programs that aren't approved by Apple on their devices, because you've never been deep into the issue enough to understand the immeasurable benefit of it. I know this because I have literally never heard of a single person who learned to play Melee on a deeper-than-casual level and then went "Actually, you know what, all of this smoothness and depth is expendable so long as they put more cartoons in the game." You're speaking about stuff you have no idea about. That's why I'm telling you to git gud.

>Without the event matches, the single player modes, the collectibles, Smash would be just a clone of any other fighting game with some more verticality, weird life bars, and laughably simple inputs. Is that what you want?

If you think Smash has laughably simple inputs, let's see you ledgedash into charlie walks across the stage with triple shines in between each one.

>>16003418

>The reason you're defending post-Melee Smash is because you are not good enough at Melee

This is not a person I can respect.

>If you simply asked what people found wrong with Melee many would tell you. Like how a large majority of the cast isn't that well balanced or thought out. Clones (which now Ultimate has the worst problem with despite removing most clones in Brawl) in general. Many useless moves (like Ganondorf's uptilt or Kirby's aerial side B). And there were barely any stages that were made with fighting each other instead of the stage in mind.

This is a man I can respect. Can you see why?

>Even without mods, it still looks like it's worth playing unlike Sm4sh and Brawl.

This is… essentially what I'm saying. Ultimate has worth. And I'm not saying this mod doesn't have worth, I'm just tired of seeing this same old loop of

>Smash game comes out

>It isn't Melee

>It's modded to be Melee (again)

>Everyone hails the modders as gods upon this earth

> [spoilers] Those modders try to make their own original game and fall flat on their face, the game mocked openly, while previous supporters scramble for excuses[/spoilers]

>Meleefags cough quietly, turn away, and compare their cherished game to a museum, to chess, etc.

>>16003418

>>16003417

Melee is shit, the matchups are shit, and seeing the same 5 players, using the same 4 characters is shit.

Melee is dying, Thank-fucking-god.

>>16003392

>Touhou 12.3

>serious fighting game

Wait shit, this is a Smash thread. Carry on.

>>16003471

>This is a man I can respect. Can you see why?

Because he flatters your faggot egalitarian notions by bringing up completely tangential criticisms of Melee (which are mostly valid, sure, but also again mostly irrelevant).

Let me ask you something: why does it bother you that some things are inherently better than some other things? Were you bullied as a kid or what? Why can't you just accept that a game that's been cherished, explored, and vigorously played for 17+ years is better than its sequels that never survive their own sequels? Is it because you're embarrassed by being a casual in Smash? I think that's mostly what it is. Everyone on this board wants to think of themselves as a hardcore gamer (even though most of you are as casual as casual gets), so you all have to come up with "intellectual" reasons to argue, essentially, that checkers is just as valid of an abstract strategy game as chess to make up for the fact that you don't understand how the pieces move in chess.

>I'm just tired of seeing this same old loop of

Guess what bitch? Nobody gives a shit, and you can't stop people from making whatever mods they see fit. Nor can you stop Project NX from killing vanilla Ultimate just like PM killed vanilla Brawl. You choose to be a faggot because you are too lazy and causal to spend a week/month learning how to wavedash, dash dance, l-cancel, etc., so you will continue to eat shit and rage at people eating caviar like the retarded baby you are, and it will continue to be your own fault.

>the Melee community

>>15988255

>One of THE earliest mods, along with panties.

Where?

>>16003666

>reddit spacing

You gotta love how you newfags still haven't caught on to how this one phrase completely and utterly exposes the fact that you started browsing the chans in like 2012 - 2015.

>>16003708

Of course, you're also a newfag who insists on the term "imageboard" instead of "chan" because you don't understand that the word "imageboard" also refers to booru sites and thus calling them "chans" is more accurate. You are as predictable as it gets.

How likely would retexturing pantsu be, out of curiosity?

>>16003471

>Those modders try to make their own original game and fall flat on their face, the game mocked openly, while previous supporters scramble for excuses

PM was killed by 2 useless faggots that never did any actual work on it, they went on to join Wavedash with 2 other cunts they managed to take along. The big majority of the PMDT had nothing to do with Icons.

>halfchan spoiler tags

Good job exposing yourself as the cuckchanner casual you are

>>16003666

>m-muh sperg

>h-he's surely btfo now

>nobody will ever know that he was right and that I'm a casualfag now

even if you aren't from cuckchan fuck off to there and stay there

>>16003471

p;m wasn't like melee at all though in most regards, most of the malay autists hated it.

>It's modded to be Melee (again)

faster/ more in depth movement is more fun, it's really that simple. you're the kind of retard that calls any game with qcfs & dps a streetfighter clone

>>16001118

>Tourneyfags still played it

The "tourneyfags" from Melee/Project M stuck with those games, they do not care for Smash 4 in the slightest. The game did not appeal to them at all.

The actual "tourneyfags" who played Smash 4 were the ones who shatted all over the competitive Smash Bros. throughout Brawl and early Smash 4 reveal until Nintendo started advertising and sponsoring it making it hip and cool now. They are just hipsters and nintendo fanboys and pretend they all of a sudden care about tournament play.

And even then, there were little modes or nuances that actually catered to tourneyfags in the actual game. Smash Bros games having tournament scenes now only exist because Melee once upon a time had a thriving tournament scene and they will attempt to forever carry on that tradition, they don't have tournaments due to the game's own merits or mechanics. There's nothing in Smash 4 that warrants it to remotely have a decent competitive game, but they made one around it anyway.

Since there's some Melee autists in the thread I have a genuine question; how bad DOES wavedashing really fuck with your hands? Is the whole thing just a meme or is everyone gonna end up like Mashpotato Samurai in a few years?

The combat in Ultimate is satisfying and generally good, but I find getting better comes down to getting good at reading and abusing true combos. Melee/PM did also use this but instead of say, mario getting a free 20-30 percent of uptilt uptilt uptilt, a more mechanically complex combo that was rewarding to pull off would be needed, say a dair, l cancel, short hop nair.

When im playing my best in melee/PM, I am amazed at what I pulled off, but in Ultimate the sickest combos are just 2 to 3 attacks that combo into eachother easily followed by a nasty read or two.

>>16004737

I never have gotten sore from wavedashing, its just a jump with my right thumb, and then a directional dodge with the trigger and right stick, nothing strenuous unlike say multishining or other rapid multi input tech/strings.

>>16004243

I tell you what, we will be kind to you and pretend that you didn't just defend a redditor who wants a place to talk about esports twitter accounts.

>>16004737

Wavedashing, L-cancelling or wavelanding consistently doesn't fuck up your hands at all, that's just a meme.

What does fuck up your hands is being a Fox main and spending half of your day clawing, practicing your short hop double lasers, waveshining and multi-shining.

I'm going to try Project M 3.6 for the first time and I have a couple of question.

Is Co-Op/Single player content available or enjoyable? I never tried because I usually like to play coop SSE and I heard Project M breaks it. What about Classic Mode and All-Stars? Multi-Man? Any other tip?

>>16006550

SSE and all the single player content works just fine in Legacy XP.

>>16006550

Vanilla PM3.6 works too, but crashes here and there. Just save when you can. Like >>16006759 said, these bugs have been fixed in LXP/LTE.

>>16006800

I wish LXP wasnt so bloated with useless shit.

Like did you really need to put 6 different recolors of Temple in there?

>>16007947

Yes

>>16003113

I dont know the whole context of this conversation because I've only read like half of it, but I'm still gonna leave a reply because I'm fucking retarded. Anywho, I love melee. I love watching it at high levels, it's got some of the most satisfying combos to pull off, great to play with the couple friends i know who arent shit at it, and I've had an… okay time at a couple tourneys. I understand the hate that Brawl and Sm4sh get, as they were pretty much direct blows at Melee fans and had a fraction of the depth. That said, Ultinate is legitimately different. It's obviously not at the level of melee in terms of tech yet, but it's much better than the last two entries. For one thing, combos and ledge guarding are actually options again. It also has the largest amount of viable characters in any smash game, sidestepping one of the biggest problems the past two games have had. Theres honestly a lot of really good things about Ultimate, and even though it's not melee 2.0, it's got enough of what makes melee (and platform fighters in general) fun to stand as it's own enjoyable experience. That said, if Project NX manages to do for Ultimate what PM did for Brawp, it should be welcomed with open arms

>>16021308

The nro caused a crash. 2168-0000. Not surprised in the least.

>>16021308

this all looks interesting

>>16021308

The language is interesting. Because you have to keep in mind the hardware shift from the Wii U CPU Espresso which is an overclocked Gamecube powerPC processor, to the nVidia Tegra X, which is an ARM architecture.

I'm thinking about uploading game assets like the models, message files etc. to a google drive link for future reference, but I might leave out files because this tool I used extracted folders and files with hex offset names so I'm unsure as to its reliability.

>>15994128

>I have a very juvenile sense of humor and I would even take more enjoyment by seeing lipfag suffer even more by having his lolifu cucked to such a cruel fate.

If you're gonna shit on Lipfag at least be realistic and not retarded. Expecting them to put her in as a Wario clone makes about as much sense as putting her in the game in the first place.

>>16035760

U

>>16035760

Shit, these kind of people in Chile are usually unironic commies. Full on "bash the fash!" kind of retard.

>>16035760

4U

>>16035760

TERF?

>>16036485

Feminists with exclusionary views have been referred to as "TERFs" (short for trans-exclusionary radical feminist). They generally object to the acronym and have called it a slur or even hate speech.

>realize how fucking awful the gamecube controller button layout is after coming to accept the fact that you can't hold a grenade and jump without clawing, rebinding or using stick jump

>>16036500

>you're not a real feminist if you can't accept that men can be women

God damn we've drifted into some world class mental gymnastics. What will SJWs think of next?

Why are people upset? Do they only demand that people play games like skyrim unmodded?

>>16038610

Who cares, as long as they keep eating each other

Does this bring back L-canceling? L-cancelling is a dumb mechanic to do on purpose; all aerials should just have low landing lag.

>>16035760

>Is a commie/tranny enabler.

Boycott NX.

>>16036485

radical SJW feminists who hate trannies

>Holy shit someone from the Smash community is a raging shitlib

No shit, lots of people in tr45h, Melee and the FGC at large are hard Democrats. Lots of them are latching onto (((Ocasio-Cortez))) after she's been forced into the limelight. Just looking at what Nyx responds to on Twitter is a dead giveaway apart from the fact that he's a spic. How are people surprised by this in CY+4 when that nigger faggot Sonicfox gets to run amok with no consequence?

>>16051072

Damn I butchered that sentence.

>>16051072

>the word trap kills trannies

I thought trannies did kill themselves the most.

>>16051178

>>16051225

Stop being retarded. "Traps" are "transgender". They aren't just gays. Just gays wouldn't try to be girly and they wouldn't try to lure men under false pretenses. Regular gays do not attract men who aren't also regular gays. Just because you personally view "traps" as "cute boys" and "trannies" as "disgusting mutilated monsters with political ambitions" (or whatever you specifically define them both as) doesn't mean that they're not all "trans"faggots.

>>16051262

I thought there was a whole range of classifications, namely

> Traps: dude who passes as a girl, not unhappy with their body, usually homosexual

> Tranny/transgender: man to woman under surgery, usually homosexual, unhappy with "old" body

> Crossdresser: dude who dresses up as a woman, does not have to pass or be unhappy with their body, not homosexual per se

> Femboy: dude who looks feminine, does not have to be homosexual, not unhappy with body

> Ladyboy: dude who is happy with body, only uses surgery to give itself tits but does not hate old features, usually gay

There will be more and more of these definitions but I just do not give a single shit about it. What matters here is that Nyx is a retarded faggot who virtue signals for good boy points, and can fuck off for all I care.

>>16051178

Like how the "I identify as an attack helicpoter" joke morphed into something about trannies due to trannies screeching when it was originally making fun of Otherkin.

>>16051262

Wrong. Traps are more crossdresser then trannies. You don't need to actively have identify dysphoria issues or transition to be a trap, a requirement to be a tranny.

>>16021308

Nus3audio is a container. Did you check the headers?

Smash 4 uses IDSP, most Switch games use Nintendo Opus (But Namco is lazy enough that games will support both anyway)

>>16053352

Transgenderism is not real. Your sex is determined by chromosomes and that's it, the rest is vice and delusion.

The distinction between sodomites, castratos and travenstites is confusing because constantly shifting due to being a fad.

>>16040736

So a less shitty piece of trash?

>>16053502

>Transgenderism is not real

Gender Dysphoria and mental illness is though.

>>16053559

It's quite a sight to behold how more feminists are starting to realize that the mere existence of trannies completely undermines their entire feminist ideology so they begin to in fight.

That's why over the years you see a rise of "intersectional feminism" to counter the in fighting.