/v/ - Video Games

To expand on people who might not be in the know.

>SMT4/4A

>DLC out the ass (which includes easy EXP grinding or infinite supplies of app points or stat increases also jewels in 4A)

>Entire post game of 4 and arguably the actual final boss is locked behind DLC

>Money is made extremely scarce to incentives buying DLC that makes it disgustingly fast

>Extremely bad level design throughout 4 vanilla is like doing world of warcraft mail quests for 10 hours after an extremely basic opening "dungeon"

>4A completely removes alignments from story (still technically there but don't actually decide endings based on actions)

>4s alignment design was so fucking stupidly designed you could be too neutral for the neutral ending

>both have no defence stat which incentive's just going +4 DPS +1 speed every level and MC will be broken strong by level 10 and only get more so as the game goes on

>Removed compendium % completion (Probs to hide the amount of DLC demons who also hide brokenly strong skills you could also use after beating them and fusing for them)

>4 has demons who only are only obtainable via DLC on the box cover

>Somehow in the story finds a way to retcon previous games in series which states there are infinite universes

>SMT DSJ

>Take one of the best entries in the series

>Takes massive strides to casualise it without offering a "classic" option so you can''t argue to ignore it and chose that

>Again opts to retcons all previous endings into bad endings (and lets you know they're bad before so you can't play it through like the original ignoring this)

>takes all thought out of making sub app load outs by letting you just be OP and stack them all

>Some apps invalidate dungeon design just telling you where to go (Like from teleport pads)

>can even just save anywhere now with one of them.

>MC now over being in the hands of weapons and armour for his move set to emphasise reliance on demons to fight now just gets a massive "Commander skill" list which makes him have more skills / passives then any demon in his party

>more DLC which just makes stacks and stacks of money and EXP farming items as well as OP weapons (Some may or may not be free here, at least they aren't quests here)

>Changed all of the art from the old director to someone else and it's all worse overall.

I have heard Deep Strange really isn't bad. I'm gonna try it.

I don't like the 3rd person perspective of 4 though, it's like Dragon Quest 9 but shitty.

There's still potential for it to be good.

Soul Hackers and Devil Survivor Overclocked 1 and 2 were remade for the 3DS and were good remakes.

4 wasn't great, but it was still alright despite its brokenness. Apoc was worse, yes. SJ redux was worse than the original unfortunately, but by it being a remake of a great game, it was still technically good and at least they tried to add additional content to it. Atlus also still has the capability to make great games as Etrian Odyssey series shows.

>>15973354

Play the original faggot

>>15973553

>>15973553

>Soul Hackers and Devil Survivor Overclocked 1 and 2 were remade for the 3DS and were good remakes.

Because they're literally enhanced ports, not shitty remakes ladled with retarded oc and dlc like recent Atlus software.

The only thing I can give Deep Strange Journey is that they somehow managed to make a Law ending that isn't completely shit that only a brainwashed christcuck could find good.

>>15973354

Deep has criticisms that some might not care about, but it is objectively the easier version of SJ with all the changes they did to it.

You're on /v/

Publishing shit games, and fellating companies is ok if the company is Japanese, even if they gape your asshole.

>>15973236

>you should be hype

>you should be negative hype

Nope, you should just wait and see. Both hype and its nigger cousin exist only for marketing purposes.

>>15973354

>I don't like the 3rd person perspective of 4 though

I guess you didnt like nocturne either did ya?

>>15973566

This.

Nu-Atlus completely shat up SJ with SJRedux.

Its better to just expeince the pure game first then see how Atlus raped the game with the remake.

>>15973566

>Play the original faggot

Don't listen to the stockholm syndrome guys, an otaku gamer that acts hipster is just desperate for attention. Play Redux with the quality of life improvements.

Or maybe not, you shouldn't play any of the portable SMT games until you've beaten all the PS2 titles. They're hilariously inferior and you will curse these stupid idiots for keep pushing Sleep Journey on newcomers.

SMT peaked at Demikids Light/Dark version for GBA. The first Strange Journeys was only well-regarded because it was the closest SMT ever got to going back to the typical JRPG formula.

>>15973664

Those "quality of life" improvements make the game actively worse. No one is going to listen to you when you unironically recommend Redux over the vastly superior original.

>>15973667

>SMT peaked at Demikids Light/Dark version for GBA

Wait, really? How good or bad even were those?

>>15973705

Take Final Fantasy VI, and replace the combat with SMT:SJ combat, except there's a lot more goodies and items. The story itself is somewhat bland, but the game is massive, and the replay value to get all the demons, items, and secrets is great.

>>15973236

SMT games change a lot from title to title, hard to predict what fatlus will do with SMTV.

>>15973705

They're more interesting side games over good or complex games.

Both versions actually have different fusion which is an interesting idea.

Light has a standard one.

Dark has a variant where you more sacrifice 1 demon into another.

Issue is the difficulty is extremely low, post game in both I had a Cu Chulainn and Scathach who have a 8 hit per turn fusion skill which even killed each final boss form per use.

>>15973747

Yeah, definitely not the hardest of games. The is just a giant HP bar. I beat the thing first time just by Auto-playing with my best moves up front and having one of my demons cast healing magic.

Still, SMT would've been a better series if the DS line used something like the Dragon Quest DS style, with 2D sprites on a 3d landscape in an otherwise classic JRPG, and 3DS could've refined that fromula further.

>>15973695

>No one is going to listen to you

Go back to kindergarten retrokid, you speak like an attention whore. Anon may choose whatever, but the most important thing is he understands only anonymous redditors follow like you have a need for consensus.

When no one gives a fuck about a game, you bottom feeders make a totem out of it. It's chock full of /v/ suggests lists full of unplayable weeb crap, for the sole reason it makes you feel special.

>>15973801

>you speak like an attention whore.

T. dude insulting others in the thread fishing for (you)s . Here you go, nice spacing btw.

>>15973667

>SMT peaked at Demikids Light/Dark version for GBA.

Just as predicted, he plays the hipster card with some ludicrous unpopular old turd. You are the parody of yourselves, thank God there's still old anons to laugh in your face.

Just evolve into socjus already, eventually the attention whoring here won't be enough anymore.

>>15973829

I'm not the anon you're berating, I just liked Demikids best out of the SMT games I've played.(all the ones on handheld consoles up to the DS era) None of them after Demikids gave us a decent world to explore. The thing I liked most about Demikids wasn't even the gameplay, the battle system is about the only thing that's improved since then. The thing I liked was walking into a new town and pressing A at every house plant to see if there was any LCK Gum or Revival Orbs, or discovering Skyfish for the first time, or answering all the Demonologist's Quizzes to get some High-Level demons I could look forward to unlocking. Or recruiting 20 different demons in the wild, then fusing them all together. The fact that there was a world that I could explore without being limited by isometric turn-based movement or a limited render distance and tunnelvision was what really made that game for me.

I agree with you about /v/ though. The entire board is basically a bunch of shitlord retrofaggots trying to compete on who hates new things more, unable to realize that they've trapped themselves here with their own misery. There's a reason every other board has their on vidya thread.

>>15974025

>That entire post

Go back to whatever shithole you came from.

>>15974174

>"am I more of an authoritarian, libertarian, or fencesitter?"

But anon, the traditional SMT routes are the two "let the illegal invaders rule the planet" routes of Law and Chaos on one side and "human sovereignty" on the other. Neutral was never fencesitting, just choosing your own kind over angels and demons.

>>15973801

>retrokid

Oh it's him again

>>15974207

Kaneko isn't coming back judging by what Hashino said before about the artstyle.

https://archive.fo/Oa3pX

Strange journey should have had a difficulty option likr legacy and not treated the new ending like it is the ultimate ending and istead have been an extended ending of the neutral ending. 4a had some good ideas making it monotheism vs polytheism but honestly did it poorly. Had they set it up so there were multiple factions to go towards for endings or a true anarchaical/humans over gods ending that would have improved it. Also making the protag flynn intstead of tho one they did would have helped too, as well as exploring all that implocation stuff that flynn is some sort of god himself. But none of that matters beceause it should have all been part of 4 which was an incomplete game. There is evidence with the desert reality and the infernal reality that they had intended more to the game with those 2 realities being connected to the endings that they relate to, and if the reincarnation stuff with flynn in 4a was planned earlier it could have lead to a unique story that could have stood out better than it did. And I agree with other anons, without def stats its kinda pointless to build anything but an attack speed build. I do have some hope for 5, but I want to see more before deciding on getting it. I want it to take some risks that are not in the persona comfort zone.

>>15974268

Because making good games nearly sent Atlus to bankruptcy so they instead decided to make good-selling games and ruin it for the old audience. New one doesn't mind at all.

>>15974273

>Because making good games nearly sent Atlus to bankruptcy so they instead decided to make good-selling games and ruin it for the old audience. New one doesn't mind at all.

Funny because Redux and the Radiant Historia remake sold less than the originals. Their "we want the Persona audience" meme failed hard in those games.

>>15974292

Yet the Nusonas did.

>>15974302

I mean the Persona audience only cares about those games. I don't know why they couldn't just keep those animu elements to that series while continuing to make SMT games that is on par with SJ and Nocturne. Then again there is a clear divide with the current SMT team, with one half wanting old-school SMT while the other Persona elements.

>>15974292

Etrian Odyssey Untold 2 also bomb so hard that they kill off 90% of their DLC schemes they planned for the series

>>15974333

>while continuing to make SMT games that is on par with SJ and Nocturne. Then again there is a clear divide with the current SMT team, with one half wanting old-school SMT while the other Persona elements.

Because the original SMT/Nocturne team literally no longer exists. It's why the Persona team attempted to make SMT IV and the trainwreck of shit that became.

>>15974339

Yep, possibly why we ain't going to see 3 Untold for a while or ever for that matter. It's for the best at this point.

>>15974329

I've doubt you have the ability to laugh

The only problem with Atlus is there's never nudity in their games.

I only buy jap shit for the degeneracy.

>>15973566

A few years ago, I played it up through most of the 4th dungeon but put it down for a few months. When I came back I couldn't figure out what I was supposed to be doing again so I dropped it for good. I really enjoyed it though, as my first game in the series.

>>15973631

Yeah I'm actually kind of hoping that is the case because of the above, I never had TOO much trouble with the original, usually I'd die on the Tyrants once before I knew the best plan of attack, but that was it. I'd actually be pleased if the game had ez mode features that tell me where to go just to make sure I actually finish it this time.

>>15973656

I haven't played nocturne.

>>15973664

I don't have any way to emulate some of them well enough to be worth it. The only thing I've got that can play them is my slim PS3 and while Persona 4 worked fine, DDS was a laggy piece of shit. Haven't tried nocturne yet because of it.

I've also played a few hours each of most of the SFC games but cool as they are, they're also too antiquated for my tastes.

>>15974498

Your opinion is a stain on anyone who also believes the same, you porn-addled retard.

>>15974306

>Every story is cloaked on mystery and there's tons of secret shit and alternate endings.

ignoring the rest of your post, that is the reason why I like the persona games, from the Snow Queen Quest to Persona 4 trying very hard to convince you not to get the true ending

5th game was slightly disappointing in that regard, but even then it still has some little secrets.

>>15973632

This makes people who defend DSJ cucks.

I agree.

What is wrong with optional DLC? Nobody forces you to buy it.

<<15974579

(you)

Only reason I actually like all of Atlus' recent dlcs is because of how easily they can be pirated

>>15973236

Nobody is exited for SMTV. Prove me wrong.

>>15973588

Obey YHVH or burn in hell you faggot hellbound reprobate.

Because SMT 4, 4a and Persona 5 are good games. Although there are some subpar qualities to DSJ, it's not horrible either.

Sure, they could mess it up, but based on their current backlog, i see no reason why it would be bad.

>>15974579

They have been locking important backstory and dungeon maps in the SMT IV games and EO2U behind DLC respectively. Not to mention the original and vastly superior art in the Radiant Historia remake is locked behind DLC as well.

>>15973236

>I see people talk about V as if it'll be amazing

Citation needed. I haven't seen anyone talking about it because all we got was an extremely vague trailer that told us nothing. I haven't seen even a single mention of the game (probably because there's no fucking game to talk about)

>>15974875

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being sincere. How is Persona 5 anything but mediocre?

>>15974875

Incredibly so. It was better than the shit show that was Persona 4 but worst than 3 and much worse than both of 2. It was worse than the entirety of the mainline games aside from 4 and 4a with were utter trash too.

>>15974200

>But anon, the traditional SMT routes are the two "let the illegal invaders rule the planet" routes of Law and Chaos on one side and "human sovereignty" on the other. Neutral was never fencesitting, just choosing your own kind over angels and demons.

>angels and demons

You mean "demons with white wings" and "demons without white wings."

>>15974875

Yep

Persona autists will never admit it though

It's like saying Deus Ex Human Revolution is good.

>>15974875

>defending Persona 5 in an SMT thread

This is like a sheep baring itself before wolves

Persona 5 is good at what it does. That is, be a polished, pretty weeb RPG with excessive focus on high school sim elements and style. It has little substance compared to the older Persona games (1,2) and SMT games and predominantly was made as a wacky friend sim with Personas and demons and dungeons being almost an afterthought. Same goes for the story lacking meaning, depth and purpose.

>>15974930

>Apocalypse

>(((enhanced))) port of a DS game

I hope you were referring to Grand Radiant Historia or else you're actually probably retarded

4 was complete shit, 4a is actually alright though. Granted the partner system needs to go and was overall a little too much on the anime side. Far as all the DLC shit goes, it's pretty gay, but I pirated the game and got all the DLC for free anyways (not that you should use any of the baby mode easy items/xp/app points shit though).

Although I will say the difficulty is at just the right spot. But the ZERO repercussions on dying is really disgusting and if you don't choose to actually die when you die then you are a horrible person.

>>15974892

Why was Persona 4 a shit show? I heard it was good.

This thread is making me want to finally finish Strange Journey though.

>>15975108

>Why was Persona 4 a shit show?

Nupersona games are focused on character interaction, Persona 4 has the worst cast of any of them and the worst combat/dungeon crawling to boot.

>>15975108

Differentiating between Persona 3, 4 and 5 is pretty much a pointless exercise if someone is only a fan of those Persona games and the respective spinoffs associated with them. The only meaningful comparisons in the Persona series are between 1 + 2IS/2EP which are fundamentally different games with different people who developed them and pretty much different premises entirely from the newer ones, and 3, 4 and 5 which all more or less end up like as I said here

>>15974910

>>15974857

They are, though.

>>15975108

It's good at what it proposes to be, a japanese high school simulator with fantastical elements. Persona 5, however, is a good game on it's own right, overall doing a much better job than 4. I consider persona 3 it's own thing since it's somewhat different thematically, but it's also a good game on it's own.

>>15975092

I mean, the gameplay and art in 4a was better, but it's main difference to 4 is it's pacing, where apocalypse is in fact superior, and atmosphere, which present completely different premises.

>>15975200

>They are, though.

Nah, although I didn't hate IV as much as other anons here. Only good thing about Apocalypse is siding with Dagda.

>Valkyria Chronicles 1!

>horrible PSP game

>slightly less horrible PSP game

>Valkyria Chronicles 4!

Because we're hoping for this progression. Also I don't care about DLC, shit's cracked, so was 3DS, I just hope they don't break up the story again.

>>15974986

Right, I ment Strange Journey Redux is the DS port. SMT4A was already a 3DS game and is sort of like dead rising 2 "frank west addition", same engine and a lot of the same assets with some new story stuff (that was likely cut from the original) right? (i've also heard it's complete trash)

>>15974339

Why didn't SMT4 recieve the same reception? I know Untold 1 wasn't that popular in the first place and 2U released in the same week as Pokemon but nonetheless japs review bombed the game hard because of all the DLC. Why did nobody do that for 4?

>>15975445

Etrian Odyssey has a different fanbase than SMT or at least only some overlap

Also SMT 4's DLC also wasn't as jewy as 2 untold, that was on an extreme level

>>15974930

If it's fully 3d they may finally be forced to update the 3d models they've been using for over a decade now.

>>15975457

It's not just the DLC Atlus was jewy with the release of EO4 where they released only the special edition for 80 dollars for a long while before releasing standard edition. They know how dedicated the EO fan base can be probably because of the lack of competition.

>>15975467

>If it's fully 3d they may finally be forced to update the 3d models they've been using for over a decade now.

They will just touch up the ones they used in persona 5 or the shitty mobage. The mobage's models actually look pretty decent and capture kaneko's art pretty well for the most part

>>15975483

I'd personally prefer it if they used 2d images with the 3D animating engine artists have been playing around with recently. The switch from 2d to 3d is usually accompanied with the loss of expressiveness of the artwork. But that would mean they would need to redrew a lot of demons. There would be incentive to go that route since the switch is a pretty weak console.

>Why are people

Not gonna acknowledge your template unproven premise. Reported. Eat shit.

>>15973236

SMT was never good

Never liked the designs or the plot, or that edgy main character.

>>15975609

Dagda was the only good part of 4a. He was even voiced by Char.

>>15975611

>demon who whines the entire time and ends up being just mommy issues the demon

His voice acting was good, but christ he fit right in with the rest of the god awful characters

>>15973236

Because it's the only thing keeping me interested in ATLUS as a company. Everything else they make is low-tier waifu sim trash. It's horrible that something as inspired and original as SMT gets robbed and left by the wayside so it can be devoured by the far inferior spinoff because faggots just need to be a Japanese schoolboy to get off.

>>15974910

>>15975200

>RPG with excessive focus on high school sim elements and style.

>japanese high school simulator

I came to say that relating nu-persona games to high school sims is an insul to highschool sims. If fatlus went all in with the highschool side of the game and made it an actual sim instead of a glorified VN (and frankly that's an insult to VNs too) then it could have been a pretty interesting game. I really cannot stress enough how utterly casualised the 'sim' aspects are in those games.

>>15974892

>>15974910

I've seen people here argue that Persona 5 must be good because it won GOTY awards, I think you are wasting your time.

>>15975108

>Why was Persona 4 a shit show?

Poor dungeon design, combat is still gimped like in P3 where you can't use status ailments against bosses. And not being able to swap persona on party members means that at times people just aren't viable depending on the dungeon and level of their progression which is nonsense. Story isn't much to write home about, it doubles down on being an after-school special and is very repetitive. New missing person > meet next party member > go do dungeon > new party member says "You're not me!" (nobody stops them) > boss battle > soap opera ending. Repeat that about 5 times then go to the final act which is a villain that's fun but ultimately a wet fart. Then a surprise boss whose a disco ball. Then if you weren't brain dead, you get the true final boss who is a glorified cutscene you hit for about 15 minutes to activate.

And the social links are incredibly dull.

P4G just adds a cheap waifu thankfully it seems a lot of people didn't care for. But overall P4 is just as mediocre as P5,

>>15976304

The combat is worse than P3, even the original version where you cannot control your party members. The combination of 3 physical attack types into one was retarded. P5, for all it's problems, at least reintroduced a number of elements and guns into the combat as well as having better dungeons.

>>15974910

I agree

I enjoyed Persona 5's actual gameplay segments, but it is very streamlined. The best I can say is I enjoyed the dungeons, the music, and the polished aspects of the game. The story and the friend sim garbage is absolute trash.

so which one should I start with?

>>15976415

What you left out of that scene is dagda running away and locking himself in a nearby building and for the next 8 hours of in game time the entire soundtrack is replaced with muffled Linkin Park. Really strange music choice

>>15976909

>Yet another renpy VN.

It's trash, regardless of the SMT skin it has on top.

>>15976304

>then if you weren’t brain dead

You’re lying about playing the game, I can tell right there, the game has that ending hidden in such a way you’d never know how to get it unless you either sensed something was still wrong after getting the normal ending and used a guide or were so desperate to see your persona pals again you disobeyed the narrator’s advice multiple times.

>>15976450

Whichever one you want with, just know that 4 and 4A are universally considered the worst fucking games. Even ignoring the SMT brand they're just bad RPGs in general, they fail at everything they attempt to do in such impressive ways that they're honestly just irredeemable garbage.

>>15977477

I always talk to everyone in an rpg and exhaust dialogue options. Did the same shit in P5 going back to the school and walking around the cities after a plot event. And the game gave me an option to not leave so why wouldn't I at least see what happens? I guess I can at least say I knew there was one more boss from a friend's playthrough but that's not saying I saw him unlock it. But the road to izanami is only closed if you don't care to talk to npcs and get baited by a fake "but thought must" choice.

>>15977596

The game gives you that option everywhere you try to go but can’t but only actually works there and only after you have done everything else you can. That means you’re likely backtracking to a place you’d already been ‘’and’’ ignoring the generic system message it gives you all at a very specific and small window.

If I hadn’t played other games in the series first I wouldn’t have known that Altus has a tendency to do similar stuff and looked online at a guide. If that was the case I would’ve thought I had actually finished the game after beating Ameno-Sagiri. Don’t forget they try extra hard to convince you that it was the final boss by giving it a unique theme as well.

>>15973236

I quite liked IV: Apocalypse, but the only other SMT game that I've played (besides P3/4/5) is Strange Journey, so I don't really know how it compares to other games in the series.

>>15979424

In addition to Strange Journey, DDS duology and Nocturne shits on the IV games. If you want something more character driven then play DDS 1 & 2, otherwise play Nocturne.