/v/ - Video Games

>>15943585

I wonder how the Supreme Court case for this would go. Could you argue artistic freedom?

How the fuck can you play video games blind? Also how are autists going to get retards to play test their autistic games so they can implement retard friendly features?

>text/voice/video chat functionality

so it affects multiplayer games then?

Anyways I always knew these fucking "associations" in the vidya industry would ruin us all

This also doesn't make any fucking sense. Its ridiculous. Many games are built on reflexes, twitch and speed. This is incomprehensible and nonsensical as well. Games are a luxury good. They aren't fucking automobiles or anything like that, and in fact you can't fucking operate automobiles if you have poor vision. Why the fuck should games be dumbed down to meet the needs of a tiny minority that is not obligated to play or care about them? They can go do something else, or find some games that are built for them I guess. Requiring all games by law to do this is fucking stupid

Just hotlink a Youtube playthrough in the main menu. Call it "Fuck Off Rock Paper Shotgun Mode"

>>15943604

This shit shouldn't have held up at all to begin with. Its nonsensical that this even exists at all and its fucking laughable.

>>15943614

It's very weirdly phrased because parts of it seem to only be related to communication but others like (viii) are clearly related to actual game mechanics so I have no fucking clue.

>>15943585

>Failure to comply will allow complaints to be made to the FCC and possible fines.

lol it's fucking nothing.

2nd crash incoming

>>15943612

>>15943625

Read this part.

>Should the game not meet the standards and fail to comply, it will lead to customer complaints being issued to the FCC. From there the FCC will mediate and look into efforts made to fix the issues, and how feasible it would be to fix.

Basically whoever wrote the laws must have had some knowledge that the shit they wrote might not be possible so they're letting the FCC deal with it.

It's nothing.

>>15943638

ok but

blind people

playing videogames?

>Visual novels now need english dubs

>>15943642

Go be a gay retard somewhere else

>>15943642

Where did your post go?

Interesting, although I can already see a loophole:

>its only required to be released with those features

>never release the game, only have it in early access

>claim that those features are still being worked on

>never release game

>profit

Or

>never officially release it in the US

>give middle finger to US gov

>profit

Still though, its only a handful of game modes which are required to be accessible for people with disabilities, the core game can still be for non-disabled people.

>>15943607

Voice commands.

>>15943651

Trying to get around loopholes is the best way for the government to fuck you in the ass.

Regulation is always used by big guys to cripple little guys. Are indies exempt?

As a person who suffers from tritanopia, I would love for more games to have the option of labeling color-coded objects with symbols like Peggle did, but instead they made these laws ludicrously broad and impossible to follow with very little legal weight behind them, so now they'll never be followed.

Fuck the legal system.

>>15943645

>visual novels now need braille support, because the person could be near deaf and blind

>>15943621

I wonder if esports can be used to argue against this type of shit and give a parallel these retards might understand. Say what you want about that cancer, but its clear how disabled people will generally never achieve the levels of skill required to participate in such activities, which is quite literally the point of most games with multiplayer these days.

>>15943628

Not necessarily anon. There's certain groups of people who can use this shit to their advantage easily. Fuck over indie games with significant fines or whatever if they don't like the people's politics or they're outspoken about hot topics like gaymergate or something. Its very likely that most people who develop games won't be retarded enough to waste their time on a retard-operable version of their game and that would make them an easy target to attack with this bullshit

>>15943638

The FCC can fuck over anyone they want to with this shit.

embed related is what was linked on the IGDA page about this; its a talk from some FCC whore about how this whole thing "fosters innovation and change" so it will clearly be encouraged

>>15943651

>never release it in the US

>where places like Steam are based in

kek good luck with that. Also the IGDA is the "International" Game developers association. This will affect other countries no matter what, sorry to say.

>>15943642

oh god, it's the blackpill faggot back again, just kill yourself already.

>>15943659

shit, meant for >>15943625

>launched in the US

What did they mean by this?

>>15943656

color blind modes are fine. It seems easy enough to make. Make Red and Blue team Yellow and Blue teams or something

>>15943638

Makes sense but I hate vaguely worded shit like that. This will end up abused at some point.

>>15943642

>game companies are forced to cater to every possible disability

>almost all games become so bad not even normalfags will play them

>game industry dies the death it deserves

I know it’s fun to be the local doomsayer but atleast make sure it’s doom you’re saying.

>>15943651

>voice commands

oh no that's actually pretty bad because it means that the games would need the api's for that kind of thing. they'll probably just back end google or something else into it.

>tfw video game will all be part of the botnet in 2019

>>15943656

When this law was being written it was probably more reasonable and included things like that, but the SocJus types probably bandwagoned it and make it a joke.

>>15943642

>>15943657

Expect these rules to be widely ignored, there isn't much backing behind them.

>>15943676

This. It will be ignore for all developers except for those that they want to kill.

>>15943671

I wish it would kill the industry, but all it is going to do is shut down every small indie company or AA company that does anything interesting and leave the major corporation to shit out more communist propaganda with no obstruction since their lawyers can fight FCC lawyers.

>>15943660

Nope all VAs now need to mandatory English VA.

>>15943638

>inb4 everyone finds out that the FCC was given a paramilitary unit under the Obama admin and video game devs/amateur radio broadcasters that aren't sufficiently pro-globalist are going to be Ruby Ridge'd

>>15943625

You haven't played games with echo location? Don't you have a sensory sonar system like a dolphin? Evolve your gaming by evolving yourself.

>>15943663

>kek good luck with that. Also the IGDA is the "International" Game developers association. This will affect other countries no matter what, sorry to say.

You don't have to release on Steam, also the IGDA isn't a mandatory organization to be a part of nor are they the ones who put in place and enforce this law.

>>15943675

>oh no that's actually pretty bad because it means that the games would need the api's for that kind of thing. they'll probably just back end google or something else into it.

They aren't even that good, I have played the Star Trek VR game that the IBM guys modified to use the Watson API to allow for single player without switching characters (you say the command and the computer does it) and even that was quite hit and miss.

>>15943686

I was saying they also need braille support.

>>15943585

i don't understand. so are they supposed to just add a cinematic in every game that says "you win" before you start playing and officially call the cinematic the game and everything else bonus content?

>>15943585

A law that inconveniences businesses? See it being lobbied to hell and back in six months tops. The lobbies would be absolutely right in this particular situation though, because this is fucking retarded.

>>15943663

An important thing to note from this video that I just saw:

>'''The CVAA does NOT require accessible gaming

>it requires accessible communication IN gaming

I hope to god that this whore's words are true, if so its not a big deal.

>>15943689

Well I mean I can play CS:GO without actively looking on maps I'm familiar of with headphones on

>>15943585

There's no way that this is Constitutional.

>>15943585

Oh, this shit isn't going through. Or if it does, it'll be tossed out as soon as the first court case hits Federal level.

Really though, this is an Engine/Console level problem. 90% of these issues can be resolved by having graphical settings and options, then releasing hardware peripherals that key into standard input methods. The rest is basically creating Word Pictures and either dubbing them for scenery and such, or, more likely, having a TTS Program spit out dialogue.

>>15943695

>you don't have to release on Steam

This is a bad joke right?

Where are you going to release that will net you financial success? Steam is fucking mandatory as a developer if you aren't retarded.

GoG? Its fine to sell on GoG, but I've never heard of a GoG exclusive selling well that wasn't made by CDPR themselves

The other ones I can think of are all US-based.

>>15943708

It's not about Steam. Any major game has to release to the US market, it's the second largest market in the world whether we like it or not.

Time for a single player game boom.

>>15943708

>Its fine to sell on GoG, but I've never heard of a GoG exclusive selling well that wasn't made by CDPR themselves

Actually even those. CDPR released a witcher game in November only on GoG and nobody even knew a game came out.

>>15943723

Wasn't that a card game?

>>15943638

So, in essence, this entire thing is by design to pass the buck onto another regulatory body?

>>15943722

Well according to this legislation all video games cannot be anymore demanding than a powerpoint presentation.

>>15943726

A card-based CRPG I think.

>>15943699

>Also to reiterate, this only impacts communications in video games, not the games itself. Single player games should be entirely unaffected.

The text of the article says:

>The high level CVAA will require any communications functionality and any UI used to be compliant

Its up to a judge to determine the extent of the legislation, so long as text like "any UI used" exists then it can potentially be applied to the entire game.

>>15943719

I guess a way around this is to have the client be an open source project

>this game is a community effort and is under ongoing development, support for disabilities is planned but not yet implemented

>>15943585

So I suppose that next big thing in gaming will be accessibility for the disable

>>15943638

That requires that the people looking at the case realize that more than 99.9% of games could not even past the first line without being severely gimped for everyone else. This just seems like a law that everyone will break but will only get brought to court when someone needs to get slapped with something. Oh, you wanna punish a company who committed wrongthink? Just charge them for breaking this law that is literally impossible to abide by.

Why not give developers an incentive rather than force them through law!

I fucking hate the government.

>>15943737

Right now this is just communication, but that could be the case going forward.

How this affected TV was just closed-captioning which was a very simple, easy and non-obtrusive and optional way of helping out the deaf/hearing-impaired.

I would imagine something similar in terms of simple, standardized requirements (That can be made optional) will end up affecting vidya as well in the future once this whole mess gets sorted out. Right now as other anons are saying, this is incredible vague and retarded.

Subtitles are in most games with dialogue period, so single-player games are or should mostly be fine for the hearing impaired.

>>15943748

Because the government is incompetent

>>15943585

>>15943628

Just great! Games are going to be dumbed down more. This is why you need to force progressively out, because they forcibly punish everyone by law within to cater to a minority that rarely plays the medium.

>B-but anon, it's authoritarian!

<The customer can also choose to extend the period of time the FCC allows for the fixes to be implemented, however, if the customer chooses not to extend the period of mediation, substantial fines may be issued.

They are literally criminalizing others and censoring them for not including a feature. Do you see those standards being enforced on drawing tablets and keyboards? Fuck no. There are specialized devices, but that's how it should be.

>>15943585

>(v) Operable with limited manual dexterity. Provide at least one mode that does not require user fine motor control or simultaneous actions.

>(vi) Operable with limited reach and strength. Provide at least one mode that is operable with user limited reach and strength.

With these two it might force Nintendo to provide alternatives for non motion control because in a funny irony ever since the Wii, certain disabled people hated the forced motion controls that were meant to draw in casuals because they couldn't play certain Nintendo games because a frequent waggle was too unpleasant for them.

>>15943738

reminder that illya dies

>>15943625

I'm sure someone somewhere has hooked up a text adventure (like Zork) to a voice synthesizer. Combine that with speech to text and the fact that speech to text software is shit is the only real obstacle to playing the game blind.

>>15943612

Get on my level

>>15943769

reminder everything dies

But how do they play the game if they can't even use voice comms?

>>15943787

can you imagine having this legislation applied to movies?

>>15943793

It's likely lobbied by hollywood.

>make a little mini-game on the menu called "mini game x"

>it complies with the requirements

there you go.

>>15943798

This is enforced by the FCC the IGDA just lobbied for it.

>>15943798

This isn't from the IGDA. They just put the announcement out. The law is from/under the FCC.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/21st-century-communications-and-video-accessibility-act-cvaa

since when has aaa designed their games around igda "laws" that cant be enforced

and creating rules for common sense shit is truly some spectacular failure of communication, studios have been adding this stuff for ages, decades by themselves

>>15943700

these mentally ill marxists are trying to make it mandatory, the supreme court should challenge this:

https://twitter.com/ianhamilton_

>>15943793

It's going to be selectively enforced against wrongthinkers. If someone publishes a controversial game without voice comms, then they will use those laws to shut it down. It's not about being accessible, it's about gaining additional power and abusing it.

>>15943811

>since when has aaa designed their games around igda "laws" that cant be enforced

Its the FCC's laws

>>15943826

The establishment doesn't air the dirt of Democrat politicians, only Republicans.

>>15943822

Actually right now the left is advocating against the use of stuff like CRISPR to cure genetic disabilities because it is ablist and denying the identity of the fetus. While also advocating for abortion because the fetus has no right to exist without the mother's permission.

>>15943828

Well yeah that'd be "A threat to our democracy"

Being a woman is a disability, right?

>>make laws to enforce what everyone is already doing

what the fuck are you doing

>>15943827

Nigger the part of it being mandatory is the fucking problem

Its not a gesture at all, its government enforcement that can be used as a cudgel against anyone who isn't retarded enough to waste their time developing their game for literal retards

This would be a literal non-issue if it wasn't mandatory

>>15943836

Depends on who you ask.

This says nothing. It’s just “if this game doesn’t have disability mode in mind a customer can lodge a complaint to the FCC if they want” none of this can be enforced or be enforced reliably. Also, good on you for using journo tier clickbait titles.

GOOD! Maybe they will start to use fonts that aren't made for fucking ants.

>>15943827

It's bad because it isn't a gesture, they're forcing all creators by intimidating them with FINES. It's minor since it involves communications, but if you don't hold their feet to the fire then they will make it worse.

Leftists are mentally ill people who do everything they can to criminalize the law abiding while exonerating the criminals.

>>15943815

Ironically enough this shit is just going to be used to ostracize and make disabled people look like assholes to everyone who plays video games. The same way the laws to ensure trans-people have housing just made it so landlords refuse to rent to trans-people. Since they have so much more added risk. Same with black/gay-people and employment laws.

>>15943827

See

>>15943815

>>15943614

(((Associations))) are just a keyword for commie syndicalists and other forms of slimy kike tendrils who want to ruin vidya even further.

WEAPONIZE IMMEDIATELY

When Activision, blizzard, EA and other shit companies will be releasing their next games?

Flood the FCC with complaints about AAA games not being in compliance with this law

the body of the law in question:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-303939A1.pdf

I think I found a loophole in the body of the act:

`(1) In general- With respect to equipment manufactured after the effective date of the

regulations established pursuant to subsection (e), and subject to those regulations, a

manufacturer of equipment used for advanced communications services, including end user

equipment, network equipment, and software, shall ensure that the equipment and software that

such manufacturer offers for sale or otherwise distributes in interstate commerce shall be

accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities, unless the requirements of this

subsection are not achievable.

>unless the requirements of this subsection are not achievable

since the requirements other than colorblind mode and deaf mode are completely unfeasible for most genres of game, they can be ignored

>>15943751

>I have no mouth and i must play vidya

at least the blob doesn't have to play current year games in his torment.

>>15943859

You need to write to your representatives and voice your disagreement with the left's insanity.

>>15943863

Dumbfuck, you'll enforce those laws and those companies will still remain afloat.

Can't a big video game dev just martyr themself and take it to court? The gays lost the Christian bakery case because one brave man finally took a stand. US cases on compelled speech are iffy, but this one in particular is extremely unconstitutional.

>>15943866

>unless the requirements of this subsection are not achievable.

Good luck proving beyond doubt that is the case with your particular game

>>15943871

Doing anything involving the law is expensive, painful, risky and usually one has to be in for the long haul

Companies have enough dealing with civil court bullshit. Dealing with shit like this is something most will likely avoid

>>15943869

>>15943878

>Companies have enough dealing with civil court bullshit. Dealing with shit like this is something most will likely avoid

That's why you weaponize it against EA, blizzard and the like until they have to spend their money to take this law down

>>15943822

>Retards serve no purpose

I see, you'd prefer Mexican labourers to mentally challenged ones.

>>15943884

I'd prefer neither.

>>15943585

>Operable without vision. Provide at least one mode that does not require user vision.

Finally, games that won't disadvantage the blind retards I get matched with.

>>15943888

Who will do the menial tasks which machines can't? You really expect someone who has a high enough mental capacity to know that they're working a shit job to happily perform that shit job for the rest of their life?

>>15943878

But whoever the martyr dev is, their game(s) will forever be enshrined as a legally important one that helped guaranteed freedom of expression for making video games. The costs will pay for themselves if victorious, as well as a lot positive coverage for their games.

>>15943898

I would rather americans do it rather than literal mexican slave labor. This is the same argument my leftist cousin had for illegals. I want them all out of the country. Entirely. Fuck beaners so much.

>>15943898

Some people like hard labor, especially if it pays good. Which it would if the market wasn't flooded by third worlders.

>>15943894

Literally nothing. The best possible outcome is for the western market to become irrelevant. Unfortunately that means chinks will dominate the entire industry but honestly at this point I'd happily accept that if for nothing else than to change things up a bit. At least chinks only care about money and don't try to push marxism on the rest of the world.

>>15943728

Yes, whenever lawmakers don't understand something very well they design their laws to be dealt with by people who do.

>>15943917

>don't try to push marxism

Bruh. China is literally a communist government.

>>15943925

Yes, and completely cut off from the rest of the world. They don't give two shits about what happens in Europe and the States as long as their own don't start committing wrongthink.

What if… you develop a game but publish it as "not a game" something else? to sell it like regular software?

There must be a loop hole in this catastrophe

>>15943914

Jews winning WW2 was a mistake

>>15943927

Here's your (You), now fuck off.

>>15943933

This law is from 2010 and made primarily for software. Video game just got a special exemption until now, presumably because of the IGDA's lobbying.

>>15943939

From the sound of things, sounds like the useless igda is now lobbying FOR this rather than AGAINST it.

>Bunch of kike standards

>Pretending to be law

You just let this go to court and argue it out until it dies. Also you can just have a "press start to win" and call it a day.

>>15943939

….

How utterly sad

Well this WILL be used to attack "wrongthinking"

Lets do havoc then, lets burn everything until someone pays money for it to stop

Let's take a fairly… "standard" game, like a 2D Mario, and attempt to have it conform to this legislation without any cheesy side-stepping. How would you do it?

>>15943911

Then why would you advocate eugenic policies to remove the serf class from our race if you didn't want to import serfs from another race? Certain jobs should never be worked by intelligent people, because they'll demand higher wage than they ought to have. Intelligence leads to selfishness, which is good, but a degree of selflessness is needed for a functioning society.

>>15943912

Not all hard work is skilled work.

>>15943948

Let's not kid ourselves here, this won't be enforced.

This can't be right. For one the FCC doesn't regulate video-games, not to my knowledge at least, and secondly I don't think even the pre-pre-boomers in congress are stupid enough to pass something like this. Furthermore neither the FCC nor any government agency has the authority to regulate any product like this.

This has to be fake news, if it isn't then this falls straight under "laws that have no legal basis for existing".

>>15943960

Note that the law only applies to new releases, if no one releases any new games that means Fortnite will be the most popular game for all time.

>>15943955

Of course, but it's a funny thought exercise.

>>15943948

Make all levels completely flat with large sounds telling you that mario is moving. Make the game only need one giant button that when pushed or you can use voice commands to move mario.

>>15943960

>are there any drawbacks

Trying playing a squad based game with armless blind deaf spastic.

>>15943954

You do realize there is a large portion of white americans that arent very intelligent, right?

>>15943967

Yeah but what about people who are both blind, deaf and have no arms?

>>15943960

>Seriously are there any drawbacks to killing modern gaming long enough for major companies like EA to go down under?

Generally I'd say yes, but with how the World is currently I bet that something worse than EA, Blizzard and the rest of the shitters will appear will probably appear. Maybe someone will finally step in and make the streaming nightmare a reality.

>>15943971

Like the ones responsible for this dumbass law?

>>15943827

Helping disabled people have access to things is good. Creating a law giving a government agency power to determine what appropriate accommodations are and shut companies down for not providing them is bad. If it's evenly enforced, which we know it won't be, it still puts up barriers to entry that impose larger burdens on smaller developers while barely affecting cancerous megacorporations at all. If it's unevenly enforced, it becomes a legal weapon to use against people with unpopular opinions.

>>15943973

They can slam their head onto the button, which comes with optional pillow.

>>15943975

Those are jews, asshole.

>>15943980

They're not all Jews.

>>15943978

>Character controller via voice commands

>The game beeps like parking sensors whenever there's something in front of you

>Enemies yell their attack telegraphs

>All of this is accompanied with subtitles and braille-like haptic feedback to the controller

why can't disabled people just take the L?

>>15943984

Or they'll only launch an "Asian region" version that has a full English translation.

I genuinely hope this will kill gaming for good.

>>15943987

That shit won't work in multiplayer.

>>15943585

Amerimutts get fucked again. Luckily I stopped playing western games altogether.

>>15943956

Only one I can think of is nintendogs

>>15943924

Mind you,this legislation designed to pass this off to an FCC an agency that is grossly incompetent, and very fine heavy.

Things will get arbitrary really fucking quick, this essentially gives cocksucking organizations a direct line to another organization of cocksuckers with power to levy fines.

>>15944005

Why not? Imagine two retards fighting each other like this. It'd be the funniest shit ever.

>>15943971

Yeah, retards. You want to get rid of them.

>>15944024

Might as well make cars for blind people to drive.

>>15944034

They do have braille on the ATMs in the drive-up window at the bank.

>>15943585

>you have to make video games for people who can't play video games

I knew we would never get another industry crash. The government had to crash it for us.

>>15943604

4 jews, 5 catholics. They will rule 9-0 in favor of the government.

>>15944037

I imagine that's because the keypads are just standard-made… right?

>>15943663

>its clear how disabled people will generally never achieve the levels of skill required to participate in such activities, which is quite literally the point of most games with multiplayer these days.

oh? you never heard of paralympics ? the same shit can be done for E-sport but much more easely

no hands:

https://www.please use archive.is/2015/03/25/razer-handless-gamer-league-of-legends/

tetraplegic (see embeded)

>>15944037

Might as well let the blind drive motorcycles and become pro skate boarders.

>>15944044

Yes, same reason as 24 hour stores have locks in the doors.

it'd be more expensive and bothersome to order ATM's that don't have those features.

>>15943585

It's impossible to enforce. I dunno what they are thinking. These aren't god damn audio books we're talking about. Whoever wrote this has no idea what a video game even IS.

>>15944044

>>15944037

Sometimes blind people live with other people or have aids that will help them at the bank and the atm is convenient to drive up to just for the non-blind person so the blind person can enter their information privately via braille

>>15944047

If we have to sacrifice ourselves for gaming then it's worth it.

>>15943958

Electronic systems like computers are regulated mostly by the FCC, also they aren't a joke and still have the police kick in peoples doors at 4am for operating unlicensed radio transmitters.

>>15944014

>FCC, an agency that is grossly incompetent

They may be incompetent in that they miss a lot of violations of legislation they enforce but they will still fuck you in the ass if they feel like it.

>>15944037

>>15944067

>>15944044

Blind people also often take taxis through drive-thrus.

>>15944087

Those were melons?

>>15944090

Ignoring the United States might be the only way to prevent gaming from being completely destroyed. This is just today's plot. What of tomorrow's? The United States is too pozzed for gaming.

There's only one answer and it's accelerationism.

Read Siege.

>>15944100

Do a flip.

>>15944100

Don't kill yourself over video games. You've likely experienced almost everything they'll ever have to offer anyway, and there's always older games. Just learn to live for yourself rather than for something else.

>>15944090

>Fucking German pricks will get to play STALKER 2 while I am stuck playing some educational game for blind deaf trannies.

We'll be playing STALKER IRL.

>>15943955

>>15943958

Giving marxists control is still a bad idea. They'll wield this law against wrongthinkers in the future.

It doesn't matter if the FCC rarely enforces it, you need to prevent them from having control to begin with.

>>15944112

<Blackpill have you taken it yet?

No, we shitpost in real world, like swatting kids on fps, but with companies

>>15944112

Retarded leftist shill, we can still contact our representatives and push it to the Supreme Court.

>>15944100

>cowards way out over vidya

If you're gonna die, do it for something that's worth more than 20 bucks.

>>15944112

>we

Speak for yourself nigger.

>tornigger

What, did you finally get banned for spam?

>>15943619

This, it would be like requiring professional sports teams to accomade paralyzed retards and demanding they play.

>>15944138

That's the whole point. Selectively enforcing a law that's impossible to follow would be pretty difficult if people could follow it.

>>15944112

Holy shit you need to kill yourself alread

>blackpillfag will just abuse TOR

>>15944177

DROWN YOURSELF IN SEMEN

>>15944169

>muh cuck fetish

Do you just jizz every time someone tells you to kill yourself?

>>15944177

Why haven't you killed yourself yet, blackpillfag? Surely you have nothing to live for anymore. It's all hopeless after all.

Stop fucking responding to him, he does it for the (you)s

Blackpillfag will get back on TOR soon enough. What's his problem?

>>15944183

Mate if you honestly think the concept of it at least being a consensus of a bunch of northern states to be fucking retarded and not ONE (two if you wanna count jew pork, but afaik it's only in jew pork city) illicitly fucking up the whole concept of the republic being worse, that's on you.

Frankly it should both terrify and enrage people how much national power california has despite siphoning off resources from the near entirety of the rest of the country.

>>15944192

Those laws shouldn't exist to begin with.

>>15944195

Academia has been controlled by the left for far too long for the problem to be Northern states alone. You know that. You can't expect people to think for themselves.

>>15944195

Nuke the San Andreas Fault. Watch California shake itself to death.

>>15944177

>>15944169

Go away

>>15944192

Why should those restaurants be forced to do that in the first place? What makes you think that it's fair that others have to deal with bullshit laws just because someone else already does? Are you retarded?

>>15944192

There aren't any laws that force sports leagues to admit paraplegics onto their teams. Also >>15944196 is correct. Those damn "service" animal laws need to go away too.

>>15944194

>niggerpilled defeatist cuck

>TORtoise

Gee I dunno, aside from being an impossible faggot, what's his problem?

>>15944203

Can you not lift like 140-180lbs max up a few stairs?

>>15944203

And it should be a courtesy, not a god damned law. No one should be forced to cater to me or anyone else just because I broke something or can't walk. We're not entitled to other people bending over backwards for our fuckups or for fuckups.

Completely ridiculous and unenforceable.

>>15944192

>there laws that force restaurants to make wheelchair ramps why are games not subject to the same laws ?

>what makes games exempt ?

Games are a product, not a service. That's why. So long as deaf and blind people are allowed to navigate the online stores, they should be able to buy whatever they want - but there should be no requirements that they be able to use it. A hardware store may be required to have handicapped accessible ramps, but they're not required to carry axes specifically modified for use by amputees. Similarly, McDonalds needs to be handicapped accessible, but they're not required to run all of their food through a blender to make it consumable for people with mouth/throat problems that prevent them from chewing and swallowing.

>>15944207

What if the entire family is in a wheelchair?!

>>15944212

It seems unenforceable by design, ultimately the FCC will be the arbiters in all cases. They can say the requirements as stated are unreasonable and never have to fine a single company.

>>15944203

Why should the majority have to suffer for the unfortunate circumstances of just a few people?

Plenty of places would put in accessibility voulantarily. Government doesn't need any mor fucking regulatory power. In fact it need much less. I hope the shutdown keeps the damn mess closed until it falls in upon itself.

>>15944224

That'd be a pretty big wheelchair

>>15943585

>Operable with limited manual dexterity. Provide at least one mode that does not require user fine motor control or simultaneous actions.

>Operable with limited cognitive skills. Provide at least one mode that minimizes the cognitive, memory, language, and learning skills required of the user.

>Operable without time dependent controls. Provide at least one mode that does not require a response time or allows response time to be by passed or adjusted by the user over a wide range.

So for retarded journos then.

>>15943815

Bingo

>>15943849

Its the same idea as the kkk, jews make a patsy while they do malicious shit.

>>15944156

>Brain wave controller

Yeah, let the jew in your brain goyim.

>>15944233

kek

>>15943585

Kind of seems like a combination of IGDA type lobbyists, Hollywood lobbyists, and AAA game studio lobbyists trying to kneecap gaming, and especially smaller studios.This is the kind of flexing that big companies that are scared shitless of smaller ones rising up and stealing the market from them will do.

>>15944235

>>15944237

Why do you argue like a woman?

>>15943991

She is in a disposable body which won't last a decade more anyway.

>>15943585

>Operable without speech. Provide at least one mode that does not require user speech.

So, we're able to sick the FCC on fuckers for QTEs now?

The act only covers hardware communication devices, set-top boxes, broadcast software and services, and codecs, and uses term definitions from fucking 1934. Vidya does not fall under any of these categories, period. The IGDA is trying to scare developers into joining them so they can milk more suckers.

t. someone who actually read the fucking thing

>>15943641

>>15944292

>you make the ramp to stop the lawsuits from happening.

They shouldn't have that much power.

>ADA isn't enforced by the government.

They passed the law. It doesn't matter if it civil or criminal.

Now fuck off shill.

>>15944292

>you are personally denying them access

Except no one's taking wheelchair-bound people and pushing them back down once they made it to the entrance.

>you make the ramp to stop the lawsuits from happening.

Or I call a couple of cousins to stop the lawsuits from happening and make sure the asshole stays in a wheelchair for the rest of his life :^)

>>15944213

But anon… Games ARE a service now according to what big companies want They are no longer just stand alone products. If you can update your game with a patch then your game is technically a service. If games were in the old days of cartridges and no downloadable content on consoles then games may still be a product.

I wish this was trolling. I really do. But companies want games to be services now and this is what happens.

>>15944331

>this is going to kill the "games as a service" meme

Don't get me hopes up now, anon.

>>15943641

It's not impossible to play games blind. I've seen blind people play anything from Pokemon to Street Fighter and Soulcalibur. It's also not impossible to implement features to make playing games blind easier, it's just ridiculous to expect every game and every developer to do so.

In fact around 10 years ago there was some guy that tried to sue Sony and Blizzard (if I recall correctly) for being unable to play their games while blind, and the case was thrown out.

>>15944321

They're NOT "denying access" by not making a retard cripple mode for games. Denying access would be them saying "Wait you're blind? Fuck off we're not selling you this game."

>>15944321

Kill yourself, cripple. If there was any justice in this world you'd be euthanized.

>>15944321

They do, for one. But this is not denying access. You buying a product does not entitle you to be able to use it no matter the circumstances. Because if that's the case, then you could sue a company for making a product you're too stupid to use as well. A nigger could sue IBM for making a PC "too complicated to use". Or you could sue somebody for making a pool because you're allergic to fucking water, or something equally retarded.

>>15944359

>gaming is for everyone

No fuck off. That sort of thing is why we're in the mess that we're in.

>>15944359

Gaming is for those capable of playing them. If you can't play them due to a disability that's a shame, but that doesn't mean the game should be ruined for the rest of us.

>>15944359

Who ever said that gaming is for everyone? Liberals, maybe. Gaming should not be for everyone. No one on this board wants gaming to be for everyone. Gaming being for everyone is why games are so fucking shit now.

What a fitting end for the wrethed puss-sack known as the vidya industry. I can only hope this results in a new reneissance of Jap vidya and an underground following similar to the early anime fan translation scene. Daily reminder this shitstain of industry has made nothing good and has only stagnated or (mostly) regressed since 2008.

>>15944360

It's video game related and personally, I never go into GG threads.

>>15943651

>>never officially release it in the US

Not going to happen. Unlike with Japan or Europe, companies cannot give the middle finger to the U.S. consumer. It's the sole reason why the Xbox brand still is "successful" and a major reason why the Saturn, Dreamcast, and Vita flopped.

>>15944078

>implying they won't just rip all communication from all games

>>15944386

>>15944383

Sorry, I had a long day and needed to vent by shitposting. I didn't mean to distract the topic, but you're righ,t it's important

>>15944087

ok how the fuck is a blind person supposed to know what a babboon looks like???

>>15944384

>companies cannot give the middle finger to the U.S. consumer

If the US destroys its gaming market they can certainly do just that.

Looks like this is only for communication and UI. at least for now

>(vii) Operable with a Prosthetic Device. Controls shall be operable without requiring body contact or close body proximity.

So what, all games need voice commands now? If someone can't play the game because they have no arms or whatever, why would they even need to access the game's menus? This is retarded shit that needs to be repealed or is just the beginning of more retarded shit. Same thing for

>(i) Operable without vision. Provide at least one mode that does not require user vision.

It sucks that some people don't have arms and eyes, would be great if that wasn't the case but it's not and people who are crippled are crippled.

http://tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf

>>15943822

>We should have the ability to check to see if a child is going to be retarded or have some problem before birth and have the option to abort the waste of skin.

Leftists are for abortion until Eugenics gets involved.

I guess the industry will just have to invest in neural implants so the games can be played in a completely virtual environment.

>>15944424

most of these issue go way then.

>>15944424

No, that would be discrimination against people born without brains.

aka games journalists

>>15944419

>and UI

You mean the user interface that the user plays the game with?

>>15944440

EVERY UI WILL BE GIANT RED TEXT

>>15944444

Quads of truth

>>15943796

The MPAA would have half of congress assassinated at the drop of a hat and sue their corpses for millions.

>>15944444

shit

>>15944449

>Quads

Fuck, meant quintuples

With the magical power of selective enforcement, busy bodies will have even more power to destroy wrongthinkers.

>>15943604

Supreme Court already ruled video games were protected under freedom of speech, this also violates several human rights, so good luck on them ever enforcing this.

>>15944460

>>15944476

The IGDA is lying about this law to make themselves seem relevant and scam developers who don't know any better. The law only covers television, phones and streaming backend tech. Games are not covered by this.

>>15944423

Not true here in Canada by law we have to ensure an expecting mother gets the results of her pre-natal down syndrome test in time to abort the baby. Whenever I get a positive screen faxed into the office I have to run it down to the doctor so they can call the patient in time. Otherwise the clinic can be sued. Also some european country publicly shamed a man with down syndrome for being a burden on society.

>>15944395

Win what, exactly? Are you trying to get a law promoting accessibility for disabled persons repealed? Good luck finding the political capital for that.

>>15944100

Nigger you could still pirate, the US getting ignored would be the best case scenario because a lot of the cancer is coming from California to begin with.

>>15944440

Yes.

>The high level CVAA will require any communications functionality and any UI used to be compliant and suitable for those with a wide range of conditions.

So presumably the game can still be hard, but the UI has to be fit for blind, limbless, deaf, retards.

>>15944495

>the UI has to be fit for blind, limbless, deaf, retards.

How would this even work though?

Blackpillfag is back and on TOR.

>>15944487

All AAA stocks have been tanking since like October. This definitely is not helping though.

>>15944481

Apparently the law changed this year so that video games are no longer exempt from the legislation.

>>15944495

Exactly the law does absolutely nothing for anybody. Like most regulation it just serves as a way to price smaller businesses out of the market because they cannot afford to comply. It still does absolutely nothing to ensure video games are actually usable to disabled people.

>>15944513

Via matrix style brain to computer connection.

>>15944513

>How would this even work though?

It doesn't matter if the law is impossible in practice to comply with, the point is they can fuck over everyone and anyone who doesn't comply with it.

>>15944531

The Game Crash Rises.

Too lazy to rad the thread. Someone give me the tl;dr on what exactly is wrong with this.

>>15944504

>What did we fucking tell you? It's over. (((They))) always find a way to win.

Well, that's what happens when a industry is hemorrhaging money these days. Blame some other party or try to use the law to force people to put money in it again.

Give the icebox industry personnel some credit, they knew to quit after consumer fridges and freezers came along.

>>15944535

User interfaces now have to be usable by blind, limbless, deaf, retards.

>>15944504

Show me the part of the law that affects vidya. I'm not talking about what the IGDA says, I'm talking about the actual fucking law. The definitions specified do not cover vidya.

>>15944522

but this law is so broad that they have to be selective.

>>15944535

SNAFU

>>15944542

And there goes any chance of puzzle games being released in this day and age.

Thinking about it, I wonder if smartphone games are susceptible to this rule?

>>15944489

What don't you get about selective enforcement? Bethesda so casually breaks the law because it is used to the idea of getting away with shit.

>>15944444

LOOK /v/ THIS POST WILL BE THE INNOVATIVE UI OF ALL GAMING IN THE FUTURE. SO SAYETH KEK!!!

>“The criteria must be considered from early in development, and people with disabilities must be involved in some capacity in the design or testing process.”

THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO HIRE RETARDS TO RETARD-PROOF THEIR GAMES

>>15944535

Every game made after the 1st of this year or older games that receive a patch after that date has to have functionality to allow people with every imaginable physical disability to play it.

>>15944548

They don't have to be selective, all they need to do is get a bunch of examples of games and charge all the big companies at once. It wont be FCC v. EA or FCC v. Activision, it will be FCC v. EA, Activison, Ubisoft, etc all at once.

>>15944567

>it will be FCC v. EA, Activison, Ubisoft, etc all at once.

What you're looking for is FCC vs. Entertainment Software Association.

>>15944384

If the risk is losing the company to lawsuits they can certainly do that, especially with the asian market.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tencent actually lobbied for that law to push all western companies commit suicide by wokeness so they can buy out talent on the cheap, that's the kind of moves the chinks are extremely capable of.

have fun importing japanese games

Every "game" would have to be a walking simulator game that walks itself and narrates every step if they were to actually enforce this shit.

>>15944562

>>15944551

>>15944539

>>15944575

Guess it's really over this time. Tell /agdg/ that it's time to close up shop forever. The time for us to take action against AAA kikery is long over.

>regulations can be met by 3rd party software/hardware

>pushed by the IGDA

You know what this fucking thing is for? It's to ensure all independant developers sign up for the IGDA. I bet in the coming months IGDA will come out with some software suite that makes your game compatible with the new regulations. All you have to do is swear fealty and more importantly pay your membership fee. The IGDA have been conning indie devs out of money for years. My professors in 2008 told their classes to get a membership. They did not even tel us what it would do aside from getting a membership card and "networking opportunities". Needless to say anybody who signed up got fuck all.

>>15944575

If I was blind, deaf, unable to move my extremities with little to no strength, relied entirely on prosthetic devices to live normally, and was unable to speak, I'm fairly sure I wouldn't want to play games, I'd be more concerned with getting to the next day or somehow begging anyone willing to listen to pull the plug.

What game could they possibly make for someone in that predicament?

>>15944589

What if the game has no narrative?

>>15944602

Digitally controlled Swedish roulette

>>15944590

Don't worry about it, this shit won't pass the senate.

>>15944594

It wasn't pushed by the IGDA, the IGDA is explaining what it means. This shit was passed back in 2010, the ESA had just successfully managed to get a yearly waiver for it every year up until last year.

>>15944594

It's not even in the legislation at all. The IGDA is lying to scare developers into joining.

>>15944612

It'a already the law.

>>15944571

I think Sony, Activision, and EA have all left the ESA. It's why they have all pulled out of E3.

>>15944612

Its already law, video games had just been granted an exception to it up until now. Its not a new bill.

>>15944612

It was already signed into law

>>15944617

>>15944623

>>15944625

Well then first amendment mother fucker

>>15944618

No, they're still part of it.

>>15944171

>>And New York and the whole top half of the USA.

Confirmed for never having lived in in America. The reason why things are so pozzed in American gaming (and America in general) is because 99% of our media, video games, movies, celebrities come from a handful of major cities in Californian and New York. It's the same reason Google and every single social media site is far-left, it's ALL based in silcon valley one of the most liberal places if not the most in the nation. They control our internet, TV and games.

>>15944288

You would think but the FCC claims otherwise and refused to give the ESA a waiver last year.

>>15944567

>>15944542

>blind people playing video games

I draw the line at the deaf. I foresee chaos.

>>15944590

No; what this means is that every game produced by /agdg/ becomes a "black market game" until it's revealed that the /agdg/ was just an FBI honeypot the whole time and over the next few years the FBI breaks into random gamedev's houses and arrests them for illegal video game development

-t. nodev

>>15944633

You have a source on that?

>>15944562

>find retard at walmart

<sup, friend, here's five bucks, tell me that my game looks good on video and that you approve

>does just that

>retard is now involved in some capacity

Combine this with my retard-pong mode idea, and you're quite set.

I just realized that this will possibly kill things like ROMHacks, since they are officially distributed as 'patches' to get around copyright. And not only that but they are made by individuals for fun so they would be a complete pushover for the FCC to establish some case law to aid in their case against EA/Activision/etc.

>>15944637

>blind people playing video games

The entire concept of a blind person playing a "video" game is preposterous. It would no longer be a video game at all, but an audio game.

Well there goes any chance of a new RTS game ever being made (or any game that requires the least amount of skill to play). Let it all burn so something better can be born, but while it's burning, record every moment of it's death and ensure that said records cannot be altered in any way. We need to teach future generations what not to do and become. In the meantime, it's probably a good idea to download any games that could potentially be affected by this law due to it still receiving updates.

>>15943585

>Operable without speech. Provide at least one mode that does not require user speech.

They are literally outlawing the possibly of a fully voice controlled computer system Something I thought would have been the entire purpose of a device like amazon echo/google home ect. ya know, a computer system that blind people could operate

>>15944660

*possibility

>>15944652

>It would no longer be a video game at all, but an audio game

BTW, I'm not against the idea of audio games for deaf people. That's a perfectly fine and noble pursuit. But video games cannot be converted into audio games.

>>15944618

They just left this E3 because of having no games to announce.

Devolver's E3 might be fun, however.

>>15944642

Here's the one granted to the ESA in 2017 covering 2018.

https://www.fcc.gov/document/gaming-software-one-year-waiver-acs-rules-granted-esa

None exist for 2018 because they weren't granted one again, they'd been getting them since 2012.

>>15944642

It's Gamasutra but here is an old article written when the extension was given. http://archive.vn/ZsxKg#selection-1175.0-1183.269

I found this part interesting though.

>While the FCC did agree to extend the waiver until December 31, 2018, it did note that a number of games like Splatoon 2 and Minecraft have introduced accessible communication options through either smartphone apps or text-to-speech tools.

>In its eyes, those features prove that the industry is making progress on the accessibility front and that the final one-year extension should then be sufficient.

>>15944636

It's only for games officially released in the US. Personally if I make a game I'll only release it in the Asian market. In English, of course, because English is the lingua franca of the world. And obviously since I'm against region locking I won't be able to prevent unauthorized purchases of my game.

>>15944670

Pretty much just makes all "games" into glorified audio books.

>>15944685

>Pretty much just makes all "games" into glorified audio books.

>audio

Try again

>>15944680

It apparently only effects games with "communication". Though I think this would mean that games with messaging systems like Dark Souls are fucked. Since the only way to access that system is to actually play the game which blind people cannot do. The best part is this bullshit doesn't even ensure video games have subtitles. All it ensures is that diabled people have access to chat functions for games they cannot play. It literally does fucking nothing aside from drive up the cost of development.

>>15944673

I have the smartphone app for splatoon 2 for the extra items. In no way does it make the game more inclusive. If anything, it introduces a paywall forcing you to buy more equipment to do the voice chat on it.

>>15944698

Are you assholes and elbows even more retarded little cousin or something?

>>15944670

You can stop with your defeatist bullshit. At this point, focus on another skill you have or think you have that could be helpful and fulfilling in your life and prepare for when SHTF. Also, who's to say something new and better won't come out of this? Never discredit the possibilities.

>>15944710

>Also, who's to say something new and better won't come out of this?

It won't. Nothing goes in our favor. But at least you acknowledge that non-Marxist non-AAA gamedev is dead and can never feasibly be revived.

>>15944693

That's not even remotely comparable. We are literally the only people who oppose this bullshit.

>>15944697

It doesn't just affect communications, retard. Actually read the legislation.

>>15944703

It's probably the same guy switching IPs since I'm guessing TOR got banned for a couple of hours.

>>15944114

>We'll be playing STALKER IRL

s** pls 😏

>>15944716

>that device

I would sure like to become a "Switch"board operator someday.

>>15944696

Audio books can still have video. It will just have to be subtitled and completely pause for user decisions. That's the only kind of game that can meet all these requirements and still be considered a game at all. Using this format you could make turn-based RPGs. Kind of like a high budget visual novel.

>>15944516

>it just serves as a way to price smaller businesses out of the market because they cannot afford to comply

>It still does absolutely nothing to ensure video games are actually usable to disabled people.

Pick one faggot.

>>15944740

>Pick one faggot.

It does both of those things, though.

>>15944698

>>15944721

>>15944670

>>15944654

>>15944636

Awful lot of (1)s sounding like the same guy all of a sudden.

>>15944747

The leftover shills who can't make it on 8/pol/ come here and search for any thread even remotley political and derail it as hard as they can

>>15944360

get cancer

>>15944747

Prove them wrong. You can't.

>>15944761

Just don't release your game in the US.

>>15944767

You got something to back that up?

>>15944272

Prisma Illya doesnt die though and since she is still a homunculus there and they found a way to keep her alive it stands to reason it's possible to keep her alive in routes where she does not die.