/v/ - Video Games

I feel none of the modern quake clones are violent enough. I don't know why they keep having the players be robots.

Quake 3 being multiplayer only was a mistake.

>>15941035

Half of it is for performance, a quarter of it is for theme (Quake 3 is high sci-fi, in comparison to the low and mid sci-fi of the first two), and another quarter is laziness.

I was like 10 months old or something when Q3 came out so I didn't end up playing until recently. The biggest thing that caught my attention was the movement. Its still the main reason I continue to play them, I haven't found anything else that feels as good to speed around in.

>>15941048

>Half of it is for performance

That can't really be true given how Reflex, Xonotic etc all have very modern reflection and lighting shaders.

> quarter of it is for theme (Quake 3 is high sci-fi, in comparison to the low and mid sci-fi of the first two)

But quake 3 was violent as heck and had the satanic announcer

>and another quarter is laziness

Even this is hard to believe, these games are all projects of passions and seem for the most part to have a lot of work put into them.

>>15941035

>I feel none of the modern quake clones are violent enough.

Violence to me has always been a function of graphical fidelity. Things seem violent if a jpeg turns into giblets after you shoot it but that shit doesn't play when the characters are realistic models.

>>15941213

>That can't really be true given how Reflex, Xonotic etc all have very modern reflection and lighting shaders.

Old reflection and lighting shaders that looked as good as the modern shaders existed when Q3A was released. The difference is that the modern shaders are more efficient and can be rendered at real time.

Q3A is what killed FPS games. Slowest movement in id's games to that point in time. Added weapon switching delays because reasons (it killed combos that had been developed in Q1 and Q2 with faster weapon switching). Added gay edgelord announcer in vein attempt to capture Mortal Kombat's audience. Added character skin selection that implied a difference in selectable character's abilities, but everyone turned on forced skins and set it to the huge mech character because it was highly visible (and the feet helped assist lining up long jumps).

Just give me Quake 1 with Threewave CTF or Clan (Rocket) Arena and active servers.

>>15941104

From a business perspective, Quake 3 was perfectly reasonable. But not everything is about money making and the trend of multi-player focused games was really started by Quake 3 and that trend has been a cancer on the gaming industry that has never reconciled the long lasting damage it had over good game design in my personal opinion. This trend along side Halo two years latter essentially is what killed the classic first person shooter.

>>15941976

>Added weapon switching delays because reasons (it killed combos that had been developed in Q1 and Q2 with faster weapon switching)

didnt q2 start that? almost every weapon has a short time delay to switch and to fire again

>>15942036

I should have said different delays for each weapon. Q2 was just slowed down everything from Q1, but equally slow for all weapon switching. I am pretty sure different weapons have different switching times in Q3A.

It's just stupid that you can't pop someone up with a rocket and then suspend them mid-air with the lightning gun in Q3 when it was so fuckin satisfying in Q1.

>>15941958

>Violence to me has always been a function of graphical fidelity. Things seem violent if a jpeg turns into giblets after you shoot it but that shit doesn't play when the characters are realistic models

Are you trying to say that the difficulty of making a gory videogame goes up exponentially with the graphical fidelity of the game? I think Serious Sam 3 can be a guiding light here. Its a great example of how a game with 'realistic models' can do outlandish giblets and gore.

>Old reflection and lighting shaders that looked as good as the modern shaders existed when Q3A was released

I can't figure out what you're trying to point out here. Either something about baked lighting in videogames , or something about CG movie graphics. And I can't figure out what either of those have in relation to that Reflex and Xonotic raised the bar for required hardware far beyond the level where you would not have giblets to eek out an extra 5-10 frames.

>>15940913

I unironically like the movement and visuals. The visuals in Quake 3 felt really dynamic, fast, and expansive in comparison to modern games that feel stiff, slow, and tiny.

Crysis 1 had that "Quake 3" feel, but it lost it in the consolized Crysis sequels.

>>15957130

I think he's talking about how gore feels more gruesome when it looks abstract, mainly because your imagination fills the void by providing extra detail.

You know how you're curious to see the full version of violent clips when it's censored or cut in TV?