b5b9e9 No.15926665
Haven't seen one of these threads for a while and they are usually pretty comfy.
So I started on FO1 for the first time recently, and I'm finding it way more enjoyable than I first anticipated. It might even be the best in the series but I'll wait until I've finished it before I lay down my judgement on that. I used to have this really cool party with Ian, Tycho and Dogmeat but the fun ended when Dogmeat decided to rush a flamethrower wielding super mutant. The absolute madman, he died like a hero. rip in peace Doggo. Right now I think I'm closing in on the end of the game, I've found the chip, done the glow and become an initiate in the BOS. I'm not really sure what's left to do besides getting a power armor and cleaning up the muties.
I tagged Energy weapons (Since they always seem to be abundant after the halfway point in these games, and they are really powerful.) Doctor (it has saved me a few times) and Science. I have never used science once during this playthrough, I'm not sure if I'm missing anything or if science really is pretty useless.
Once I'm done with FO1 I'm thinking of starting FO2, but I also wanna finish Tactics really underappreciated game imo
a8f048 No.15926685
Last thing to do is kill The Master
8748ac No.15926696
Anon, dont ever, EVER give automatic weapons to tycho, he will shoot you in the back.
b5b9e9 No.15926701
8748ac No.15926707
>>15926701
Dont give them to ian either.
The friendly AI in the first fallout are horrible with auto weapons.
b5b323 No.15926712
Fallout 1 is perhaps the greatest representation of American culture and pure Americana in a game. I absolutely love it and consider it a masterpiece, its a marvel that this game was made
a8f048 No.15926750
I like how there's a bank, and the banker mentions the holocaust, implying he's a jew, if you talk to him
>even 100 years after a global holocaust the jews still wont let the goiym forget
b5b9e9 No.15926772
>>15926707
The problem is that they simply don't consider who or what stands in front of them, so if you stand in front of them you better be prepared to eat some brass. I honestly don't think it's that much of an issue, just don't stand in front of them and use them as meat shields and you are fine. Worse is when Dogmeat decides to rush enemies down, then there's no telling whether you are going to hit him or the thing you are actually aiming at.
Tycho is worth getting for his character description alone imo, he's basically the OG NCR Ranger.
>>15926750
Oy vey, I made sure to stay far away from that place. Don't want to get jewed.
7961b2 No.15926778
>>15926712
>greatest representation of American culture
You got that right. America sure is an apocalyptic shithole full of degenerates right now.
d1972c No.15926787
>>15926665
>I have never used science once during this playthrough, I'm not sure if I'm missing anything or if science really is pretty useless.
It's totally useless. That's one thing I dislike about Fallout 1, they didn't balance the skills.
a8d81b No.15926791
>>15926665
You mostly use science on computer terminals around the world. IIRC you can use it on laser doors to deactivate them. I think it's also used in The Hub to upgrade some of your stuff. Not a very useful skill in FO1 compared to FO2, but still not worth a tag in either game.
Your best bet for a smooth playthrough in FO1/2 would be to start with either melee, unarmed or small guns tagged so you can handle the early/midgame and then start putting points into big guns and energy later on. Lockpick, Barter, and Speech are all excellent tag choices, especially Barter which makes a huge fucking difference in the amount of money you get and spend at stores.
Finally make sure to replay FO1 and FO2 after your initial playthroughs with a low INT character, preferably at 2-3 so you get SOME skill points while still being a retard.
b5b323 No.15926845
>>15926778
Don't be a faggot anon
b5b9e9 No.15926846
>>15926791
> melee, unarmed or small guns
I found that melee/unarmed was pretty tedious to play tbh, and I think with 10 PE you can get away with tagging Energy Weapons instead of Small Guns for the early game.
>Lockpick, Barter
Yeah, I was thinking that maybe Lockpick or Barter would be a better choice instead of science for a 3rd tag skill.
> low INT character
Yeah I know about the low INT stuff, I'll get around to making a character for such a playthrough.
2fd384 No.15926928
>>15926665
Skip Fallout 2. It's meme trash.
a8f048 No.15926961
a61d50 No.15926968
>>15926928
>A bunch of references can make a game shit
Fuck off. You never liked the game to begin with.
d7c3b7 No.15926975
I still remember The Glow as one of the most immersive moments I've ever had playing vidya. For that alone Fallout is worth a playthrough.
>>15926928
Fuck off, Todd.
b5b9e9 No.15927012
>>15926975
I don't know why but the old Fallout games are extremely immersive, especially for being isometric cavalier oblique :^) RPGs. They are probably up there with STALKER is one of the most immersive games I've ever played.
b5b323 No.15927049
>>15927012
>cavalier oblique
You watched the GDC thing too eh?
A shame Kain ended up becoming or always was a faggot
b5b9e9 No.15927054
So now that I've gotten my power armor, should I go and search for Mariposa or should I go after The Master first?
>>15927049
Seems like everyone who is in the industry for too long gets to sip the cool aid. I'd like to think that Cain is still more based than Avellone at least.
a61d50 No.15927062
>>15927054
Either one is fine, remember to talk to the Brotherhood council, tell 'em you're gonna go explore where the Mariposa Base is, if you have already found it, report it to them, and they will send a squad of knights to fight with you. Now that I think about it, leave the Master for the last possible minute, better ending that way.
2350cb No.15927064
>>15927054
Mariposa has weaker enemies, but it's your call.
3016a9 No.15927102
>>15926665
>tactics
>underappreciated
I don't like generals but for a faggot, you're alright in my book.
>FO2
I hope you intend to play with MIB88.
b5b9e9 No.15927107
>>15927062
>>15927064
Alright thanks for the info, I think a turbo plasma rifle and 250 micro fusion cells should be enough for clearing Mariposa out.
a61d50 No.15927116
>>15927102
There's only one good brotherhood, and it's the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel.
b5b9e9 No.15927187
time to crash this base with no survivors
3016a9 No.15927225
>>15927187
>that mutant
He didn't get to bring friends?
a61d50 No.15927227
>>15927225
He's a big guy.
b5b9e9 No.15927240
Wait, the squad of paladins don't follow you inside?
ea511d No.15927243
>>15927240
You are on your own, sucker brother initiate, good luck!
a61d50 No.15927257
>>15927240
They follow inside, you probably rushed ahead of them.
b5b9e9 No.15927296
>>15927257
Nah, they just keep meandering outside
a61d50 No.15927310
>>15927296
Weird, regardless, you can still kill everyone inside on your own. At that point in the game, supermuties are a joke.
58b078 No.15927385
>>15926772
He's a fucking desert ranger from Wasteland you underage faggot. He's nothing compared to your pozzed communist horseshit.
1c2308 No.15927428
>>15927296
You're lucky. I hade multiple instances where they followed me inside and blocked my way through those barriers while selfdestruction sequence was running.
a61d50 No.15927448
>>15927385
>Being this buttmad about nothing
b5b9e9 No.15927558
BAN ASSAULT PALADINS
Mutants got destroyed.
8748ac No.15929603
>>15927385
>he thinks the NCR is communist
>calls someone else underage
b5b9e9 No.15930059
Wew, what a ride that was. Had to eat mentats to convince the master to kill himself
b5b9e9 No.15930088
>Thank you for saving the vault, and the world!
>Now we just gotta kick you out. See ya faggot!
th..thanks
b5b323 No.15930099
>>15930088
should've played a low-int character
tbh they should've given the option to kill him as an average int character
8518dc No.15930502
>>15930088
>>15930099
Can also do it with Bloody Mess, if I remember correctly, though I always considered it a waste of a trait (and the death animations are more satisfying when they're less common, in my opinion).
01f99d No.15930523
>>15930099
Do you mean that they kill the main character if he is low int after he gives them the water chip??? Damn.
e54010 No.15930527
>>15926665
>comfy
COMFY? My tiny ass brain can't handle the fucking shit you need to pull off for this game, I nearly necked my self the first time going into necropolis.
62430e No.15930533
>>15930527
I figured tons of shit out just by playing.
>Can't take muties on onevsone but you can shoot them through a window and deal 60% of their hp as they slowly walk towards you unable to do shit
Original fallouts are pretty rad
e54010 No.15930534
>>15930533
What I did was
>go to necropolis
>go to that place with the water pump or something
>sneak past the three mutants
>talk to the guy
>attempt to kill the mutants to get the key
>attempt it again
>and again
>again
>again
Repeat that process about 100 times and you have my experiences of necropolis.
I'm not good at games that make you think
I was under leveled too I think.
62430e No.15930550
>>15930534
You can beat most encounters by looking at the level design and use things against your opponents, for the Necropolis I believe you talk to a head ghoul so you don't need to kill any of them but you gotta do a job for them it's an alternative to getting your ass kicked due to the nature of critical hits you can die at random any time even in armor
e54010 No.15930611
>>15930550
critical hits kept wiping me and the other guy out
not to mention his pussy ass kept deciding to run away, IN TO A GROUP OF FUCKING GHOULS
I think I did try to do that job though, must have forgotten about it or assumed it was further on.
49a82c No.15930621
>play faggout 1
>its boring
>get eaten alive by rats
e24367 No.15930649
>>15927296
It's a bug, oversight, or something related. I forget.
A fan patch can change it and let them inside.
b5b323 No.15933177
Why is the post count for this thread randomly going down all day
a0ec25 No.15933673
>>15930088
That's how it is. Fuck a tribal to continue. Vault faggots are gay.
b2f582 No.15933712
>>15930621
Anon I played fallout 1 for the first time just to test it on my system, and didn't even get killed by the rad scorpions. I did however fuck up my combat stance, and was chased out of some town.
b5b9e9 No.15933747
>>15933673
>Fuck a tribal to continue.
Speaking of which, Should I just start on FO2 right away?
Any tips? Anything I should look out for? I'm thinking of just remaking the same build I used for FO1 since it worked out pretty well.
b5b9e9 No.15933842
>>15933801
>Energy weapons got nerfed in FO2,
To be fair, the turbo plasma rifle was pretty over powered in FO1. However, how nerfed are we speaking though?
b5b9e9 No.15933893
>>15933177
No idea, I guess some anons just keep deleting their own posts?
73256c No.15934102
my first playthrough of fo1 I went and saw a doctor for a medical exam and realized I didn't have money to pay for the exam and was killed by the doctor and his bodyguard after forgetting to save
was great
56751b No.15934172
>>15933842
The main difference between FO1 and FO2 is that the enclave soldiers are much stronger than the super mutants and the final boss is much stronger. Thankfully I don't think you're required to actually fight any enclave soldiers to beat the game (although if you get a random encounter you're probably fucked).
Also make sure you have 100% science when you go into the final battle, and preferably some speech, or you might get stuck on the final boss.
cecadb No.15934179
>>15929603
NCR is not communist, but it resembles the current neo-liberal establishment plaguing the US. It's actually worse. As a "nation", it has barely entered the frontier stage of its development, and it's already straining under the weight of its own corruption. Caesar was right in that it's meant to fail, and the sooner that happens the better.
67a9e4 No.15934204
>>15933842
He's full of grade A shit. YK42B pulse rifle is among the best if not the best gun in the game. And it runs on basic microfusion cells.
>Also make sure you have 100% science when you go into the final battle, and preferably some speech, or you might get stuck on the final boss.
Again, full of shit.
8518dc No.15934224
>>15933747
Small Guns are viable all the way through in Fallout 2, with the addition of some late-game ones. Energy Weapons may be stronger, but the best one also requires more skill investment to get a good accuracy with it, if I remember correctly, and the crit death with it can be annoying to deal with. It's not much of a difference, in any case. For other major differences, Charisma also affects the number of followers you can have, if you're not aware. The rest, just find out as you go. There's a lot in that game.
>>15934172
>>15934204
They can help against the final boss, but aren't necessary. You do need quite a lot of Speech for the relevant check, though.
67a9e4 No.15934243
>>15934224
Again, bullshit. I know because I tried going in with no social skills and the elder with the vault 13 folks handhold you into what needs doing. The dialogue with the president is particularly entertaining with low intelligence. Also, as long as you kill Horrigan he will start his own self destruct sequence.
The skills come into play only if you want to be thorough. Unleash FEV, overload the reactor, activate the warhead using the presidential override AND have the big guy activate his own failsafe with no survivors.
b5b9e9 No.15934251
>>15934243
>Unleash FEV, overload the reactor, activate the warhead using the presidential override AND have the big guy activate his own failsafe with no survivors.
Do any of these require a science check? Also is science more useful in general in FO2 than it was in FO1?
56385a No.15934255
I always think I haven't finished Fallout 1 then I read these threads and realise that I did.
Weird I guess playing Fallout 2 a dozen times has given me wasteland amnesia.
67a9e4 No.15934259
>>15934251
You want the game spoiled? Go google a guide. Want to have fun? Pick something you like for your character and be somebody. Preferably a cybernetic pornstar slaver high on cowshit and totting a bozar but who am I to judge.
I'll give you this, though. There's about two-three encounters in which you miss out if you don't have traps, science and such nerdy skills. The sierra depot in particular will shaft you hard but again, I wouldn't stress it. A: you're not going to get stuck and B: it's so optional that quite a few faggots never even saw that area.
a8f048 No.15938008
>they called the vault boy pip boy in fallout 2
56751b No.15938027
>>15934243
>>15934224
If you're not prepared enough you might not even be able to kill Horrigan.
d5118e No.15938058
>>15938008
>they called the vault boy pip boy in fallout 2
<they called the Pip Boy a vault boy in the bethesda shit games
f288ba No.15938087
>>15938008
>>15938058
Could also be talking about this bad boy.
740eb3 No.15938137
>>15934259
You could always bring Myron along, right? Anyway, if you have shit nerd skills you get a shit robot companion.
306999 No.15938183
>>15930502
Evil Karma lets to fuck his shit in too.
c8247d No.15938328
>>15938137
From what I remember it doesn't work, unfortunately. But again at worst it's only some extra XP and flavor you're missing. The slav megamod though adds some more use and encounters in general for the non combat skills.
90dde5 No.15942490
I'm gonna play Fallout 2, are there any must have mods or patches other than the content restoration patch?
a61d50 No.15942506
>>15938008
>>15938087
The Vault Boy and Pipboy are different mascots.
9526fb No.15946840
fallout 1 is a timeless classic, fallout 2 is actually pretty shitty though.
b8e3c4 No.15947113
a5875a No.15947180
>>15942490
Vanilla with bug patches first, content restoration patches second because they usually make the game seem more then it was.
a8d81b No.15947200
>>15933747
Science and doctor are a hell of a lot better and important in FO2. Speech opens up a lot more quests and options, and Barter has a more pronounced effect on merchants. It's easier to get shit done in FO2 without being fully devoted to combat. You also get higher level, which makes END better in the mid/late game. Power Armor won't help you survive getting bad crits from muties/enclave, but having 500 health sure as fuck will.
>>15934224
Small guns are viable all the way through FO1, just need a decent crit build and to forego Fast Aim.
a8f048 No.15947238
>>15947113
he's right. the amount of times the word bigot is used in Fo2 makes me wantto puke
fo1>nv>fo2
a61d50 No.15947257
>>15947238
>he's right. the amount of times the word bigot is used in Fo2 makes me wantto puke
Jesus christ, does a single word make you dislike a game so much? Go back to fucking Reddit, you thin-skinned bitch. You sound like that asshole that critized FO2 because all the prostitutes used the same white prostitute model, saying that it was implying that white women are whores. (Instead of realizing that the devs just made a single prostitute model/sprite and simply re-used it.)
a8f048 No.15947270
>>15947257
where did I say that was my only reason? that's just something I decided to say. I meant it as an insult to all of the writing, because fallout 1 is better in that regard
the severe lack of talking heads really sucks
the ONLY things better with fo2 are quality of live improvements ,and that it's bigger (car is badass)
a61d50 No.15947277
>>15947270
The writing in 2 seems fine to me, I never really cared for its more comedic tone, the main quest I think is more interesting than in 1, with the Enclave turning out to be an extension of the US government, with them also being an inversion of the Master from FO1.
a8f048 No.15947318
>>15947277
The quests are 90% walk here, do thing, walk back.
I liked that you could side with the mutant haters. but the writing is autistic, they tried as hard as they could to make them seem stupid/evil
Enclave could of been good, if they had better writers. they're such a generic evil nazi type group. literally the first thing you see when you start the game is them killing a family, and it implies they kill the whole vault. the first time you come across them ingame ( i dont think you ever hear about them before this point) is that forced random encounter where they brutally murder another innocent family. wow great story telling, forcing me to hate your bad guy before I know anything about them
a61d50 No.15947335
>>15947318
>Enclave could of been good, if they had better writers. they're such a generic evil nazi type group
The early Fallout games always had a clear white/black morality, with the Master being evil, and same with the Enclave. I don't get why suddenly so many people complain about older games where you can't side with the bad guys. Not every game has to allow you to side with the opposing force, it'd cool if it let you, but I wouldn't take points off of a game because I can't side with the "bad guys".
a8f048 No.15947358
>>15947335
the master was still less black and white than the enclave. he really thought he was doing the right thing, forcibly evolving man into the overman, he didn't know the mutants weren't perfect. you even have that one part in the military base where you kill a named mutant and some chick cries about how you killed her bf or something, that just makes you more sympathetic to mutants, you don't see that with the enclave
at least nv made the remnants not seem as bad, just like fo2 did the the super mutes
I wasn't saying you should of been able to side with the enclave
a61d50 No.15947368
>>15947358
>you kill a named mutant and some chick cries about how you killed her bf
She's shown to be clearly deranged, she wasn't really dating the guard, as much as she was just simply brainwashed to love mutants.
>the master was still less black and white than the enclave.
Sure, but it's cool that both served opposites of the utopian spectrum, one being all about pro mutants and the other about human "purity" Basically saying that all slightly radiated humans are mutants
a8f048 No.15947390
>>15947368
I don't remember her being brainwashed. I remember he saying something that implied the named mutant was her friend prior to being turned into a mutant, and that he was dying; that turning into a mutant was the only way to save him
18b23c No.15947484
>>15947238
this is the right order.
4c4247 No.15949323
>>15947277
>them also being an inversion of the Master
Are they really? They invented the FEV, they weaponized it, they released it and then they further experimented post war. If anything I see them doing some morlock thing where they try and rule over a bunch of dumb, rad resistant mutants.
5a14aa No.15949688
>>15926665
>Letting Dogmeat die
Heresy!
>>15934224
Vidicator is Love!
Vidicator is Life!
5a14aa No.15949691
>>15947358
But I WANT to side with the Enclave
299d2d No.15950906
>>15949688
here at /v/ we despise lesser life forms with no significent intellegence such as dogs cats and any kinda cattle, we humans are the supreme race muties got nuffing on us
b5b9e9 No.15958490
b58fdb No.15958511
Are there any mods that let you skip the temple section of the second game?
ce63a5 No.15958754
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>>15926928
Having played through Fallout 2 again recently I think the amount of memey pop culture references in it is really exaggerated. It's not substantially worse than the first game in that regard.
Besides that, 2 has plenty of moments and locations which are just as tonally harrowing as most of the places you visit in 1. The text that pops up when you enter Modoc for the first time coupled with embed related made for one of my favourite moments in the series. Then there's stuff like Broken Hills never being able to get a happy ending no matter what you do, what happens to Arroyo around the middle of the game, the entirety of New Reno (some goofy mafia aesthetics aside), Vault City and its creepy soundtrack, etc.
2 is a good sequel. Even if its main plot isn't as strong as the first game's it's still got plenty of great stuff elsewhere.
9f42d9 No.15958893
>>15947358
Raiding vaults to grab a handful of vault denizens who won't fight back, killing the majority and losing soldiers in the process. Then dragging the survivors back to your military encampment to forcibly turn them into grotesque mutants and then use them as breeding stock to amass an army so you can conquer the wastes. And this is necessary because mutants, who were a pre-nuke military experiment to create stronger footsoldiers, have a higher chance at surviving the wastes? And vaults need to be raided because they're the only humans whos genes haven't been touched by radiation and as such are the only stock of humans who won't become retarded when you dip them in the green jelly. Despite the almost self defeating act of having to destroy communities who live untouched by the horrors of the new world so you can create a community that can survive in the new world? And despite the fact that there are communities that function in this new post-apoc reality who are human and almost thrive given if there are no fucking mutants to fuck their shit up?
I'm sorry but i just don't get where people come from when they say that the master is some remotely deep and intelligent villain. His plan is so flawed, so impossible to finish, so over the top evil that I can't take his perfect race idea seriously. The enclave (which has essentially the same goal as the mutant, except this time it's non irradiated humans doing the genociding) get a lot of shit for being needlessly evil, but at least their Utopia is somewhat excusable. To me he's just another mad scientist/whatever-the-trope-is-called villain.
f92931 No.15960790
these fallout 1.5 encounters are fucking ridiculous.
1a8885 No.15961038
fb8331 No.15963431
I got to the Hub and stopped playing for some reason, I remember I was doing pretty well at the time. I keep meaning to go back to it but have forgot the controls. I know I've got Ian, Tycho and Dogmeat with me and my next mission was to go to the Glow and retrieve something for the Brotherhood.
Should I continue playing? I've got FO2 also, maybe just start a fresh game on that.
44716b No.15971206
>>15963431
Have you visited the gunrunners yet?
50f808 No.15971239
>>15933747
technically speaking, fallout tactics is next chronologically
>inb4 not canon
your mother isn't canon, the midwest bos is mentioned in fo3, and fo4 all but included them, with the airship and all, don't give me any of this crap
but yeah, fallout tactics tells you what happened to the master's army, and what happened to the brotherhood(After your arrival to the lost hills bunker)
50f808 No.15971243
>>15963431
buy rad x and rope and just roll with it, this is where the game gets good
92fa0f No.15971342
>>15963431
The Glow is my favorite area in the game
just make sure you bring enough rad x and inventory space for all of the goodies located there I made multiple trips to grab all of the stuff and there wasn't enough caps in the wasteland to sell it all
944644 No.15971351
>>15971239
>the midwest bos is mentioned in fo3, and fo4 all but included them
I take it you're big on being inclusive, then? Fucking FO4 as a serious argument of quality, content and or anything else other than stale memes or laughing at the cunt dumb enough to buy it? I-Is this the future we chose?
Have you heard of the FalloutBible? Look it up.
601f79 No.15971371
>>15946840
They're both fucking trash. 2 actually cleans up a lot of the issues with the first game, but unfortunately brings with it so many others that they're both about ad bad for different reasons.
7a76a2 No.15972478
>>15958893
confirming that mutants could breed before trying to eradicate everyone else would have been prudent.
When I was younger I thought it was a novel motive because I had never thought of imperialism in those terms (U.S. public education). I also hadn't realized that real-world politicians+bankers have been attempting the same thing on a gobal scale.
944644 No.15972497
>>15958893
It's not that his logic is faulty, it's that you're a moron. He never raided a single vault - that was his in his opinion the problem in the first place. The recruits he got were either captured bandits and traders or slaves and willing recruits courtesy of his all human cult.
You're also trying to apply human logic to some schizophrenic sludge.
f92931 No.15972521
>>15971351
avellone said the fallout bible isn't canon
944644 No.15972559
>>15972521
>Bethesda decides the lore (it's their franchise). The Bible was written back at Black Isle to consolidate things for VanBuren.;)
As far as I'm concerned anything post Black Isle can go to straight to hell. Current year washed out SJW writers included. Tactics itself would've been a better game, and more importantly for them would've sold better if it had stayed well away from the fallout of the fallout franchise.
f92931 No.15972714
>>15972559
Your head canon doesn't validate what's true or not in the fallout universe. Myron did not create Jet, Vault-Tec did.
b6db96 No.15972732
>>15972714
Myron creating jet is NOT head canon
bde27a No.15972887
>>15927054
>Seems like everyone who is in the industry for too long gets to sip the cool aid.
Explains why the average time spent in the games industry by any employee is 7 years. But of course when someone makes a hit they have to base their whole identity around it.
>>15930523
Not sure if this is bait or not, but no, you get the option to kill the Overseer at the end of the game because you realize that despite his good intentions he is an overprotective nanny who will probably lead to the eventual pitiful death of the vault, or another vault dweller will come to the same realization you did and kill him instead
bde27a No.15972949
>>15958893
Well, there's a few things, like the fact that The Master is some kind of crazy computer-human hybrid and he was a scientist motivated by progress and what he saw as necessity, whereas The Enclave is basically the group of people descended from the original assholes that started the war in the first place. That right there makes it extremely difficult to empathize or sympathize with them. However I don't mind if a group of people are portrayed as abject assholes if they have an established history of being assholes, which I would say the Enclave (which is basically what we know today as the "Deep State") have.
f648de No.15972953
395184 No.15972976
>>15972714
Yeah, it totally makes perfect sense. Myron had all these huge facilities sacrificing slave test subjects for something he just copied. Nevermind a drug made out of cow dung makes perfect sense to be born out of a post-apocalypse setting. Bethesda are just hacks.
I can only say that the BoS console spinoff is genuinely worse in terms of writing than Bethesda shit, but at least that one can be completely disassociated from the classic games being a shitty spinoff while Beth Fallout is just part of the long running franchise now and tries to bait people with shallow vicarious nostalgia.
b6b89c No.15973001
>>15972976
>Nevermind a drug made out of cow dung
Actually fumes from dung of a severely mutated cow that at the time of fallout is nowhere near normal cows.
395184 No.15973029
>>15973001
Yep, that makes Jet's supposed pre-war origins even more nonsensical.
972834 No.15973113
>>15972714
>Myron did not create Jet, Vault-Tec did.
What the fuck am I reading
50f808 No.15973142
>>15973113
actual fallout canon
so unless you think vault tec created jet, you can't really treat tactics as a non canon game, you can't have it both ways, either both of these things are canon(midwest bos and entirety of tactics, as well as myron being the creator of jet), or both of these things are not canon
9f42d9 No.15973295
>>15972497
I didn't say he raided vaults. I said he needed to (and if you failed, he did) and wanted to raid vaults because the current recruits as you listed were not fit for proper mutation. He would have had to kidnap vault dwellers as they were the only ones not irradiated. I made all this clear in my post, next time pay attention to what you read.
I also didn't apply any kind of morality to him, because it would've been redundant. I judged his plan based on whether it was feasible, and it wasn't. His plan was already doomed as I don't recall many vaults that he had the location to.
e4744a No.15975951
>>15973295
13 was the only one he knew of and he needed you to tell him where it is, the LA one was vacated by the time he occupied it.
>my own logic is faultless and presented clearly
<vault denizens who won't fight back
<lose soldiers in the process
>human communities live untouched by the horrors of the new world
<slavers and famine doesn't exist
<they don't in-fight competing for limited resources
>use humans as breeding stock to amass an army
<explicitly says that any human who doesn't submit to the dipping must be sterilized
Yeah, sure. His plan revolved around the idea that humans once destroyed everything and will repeat their mistakes. Human nature, greed and such. The new mutant nation would not only be better prepared to actually thrive and not just survive on the new earth but in his theory and under his "benevolent" mind control guidance would eliminate problems such as greed, ambition or thinking of yourself ahead of the group. It's essentially a take on Communism.
And again, he's beyond unhinged.
e4d20e No.15978036
>>15933747
>Any tips? Anything I should look out for?
Sneak is OP and often missed skill. It works in combat too (if you are alone) you can literally LARP as Predator shooting people out of nowhere.
2da00b No.15978135
>>15973142
What does Tactics have to do with Myron creating Jet in Fallout 2?
0b04b7 No.15978485
>>15978135
tactics is not seen as canon, same as myron creating jet not being canon anymore
what that means is that bethesda's words mean nothing
395184 No.15978537
>>15978485
Tactics is seen as canon except for whatever parts of the lore it outright contradicts. Midwest Brotherhood is mentioned a few times in Bethesda Fallout for instance. I saw it like this even before Bethesda took hold of the franchise and honestly even some of the more fucktarded ideas from it are miles better than whatever Bethesda has come up with. And like BoS, if you don't like it at least Tactics can still be easily dissociated from the franchise.
0b04b7 No.15978628
>>15978537
what does tactics contradict?
6bd40e No.15985808
>>15972714
You say "universe", singular, like it's a contiguous body of work. But clearly it's not. It's two different stories sharing a basic premise. Nu-Fallout doesn't make classic Fallout go away. The original work is still there. The games are still there to be enjoyed; the story, lore, characters, and plot unchanged, standing on their own, and there's nothing Bethesda can do about that.
fb8331 No.15986257
>>15971206
No not yet, I can't remember why I stopped playing but I remember watching a playthrough once and it was after the point I was at.
>>15971243
>>15971342
Will do.
50f808 No.15986271
>>15986257
fallout is actually a short game, you shouldn't put it away. same with fo2, even tho it's like, 3 times longer
fallout tactics, on the other hand…
f92931 No.15986331
>>15985808
>You say "universe", singular, like it's a contiguous body of work. But clearly it's not.
Except that it legally is, that is what IP is defined as. If a new developer gets their hands on the Fallout IP and declares that Bethesda's games are non-canon, then they would be.
491035 No.15986407
I've been trying to get into Fallout 1 but I really can't. It feels like shit. I'm trying to judge it having in mind how old the game is, but I simply can't get into it. I get to the first town, kill he scorpions, and then I don't give a shit anymore.
Am I retarded?
50f808 No.15986429
>>15986407
what kind of build are you running? keep in mind that this isn't fallout 3, you're not a jack of all trades character, role playing and stat distribution actually matters, but all characters can finish the game. Choose one of the three pre made characters and really get into the spirit of things
6bd40e No.15987668
>>15986331
Are we in a courtroom here? No. So I don't care about legality; I'm talking philosophy. One fictional story doesn't invalidate another, even if the creator himself disagrees; once written, it exists separate from him. So yes, I can discuss classic Fallout without some faggot interjecting that it's not the "real" Fallout anymore.
50f808 No.15998246
>>15930088
look at dat ass
not nearly enough r34 of the original games
f8d173 No.15998250
>>15986429
>Choose one of the three pre made characters and really get into the spirit of things
Why would you tell him this.
Why would anyone tell anyone this.
740eb3 No.15998252
>>15987668
That poor dog ;_;
50f808 No.15998272
>>15998250
each one of the characters is perfect for each of the 3 specific gameplay styles the game wants you to use. what's the problem?
5a14aa No.15998291
>>15950906
>disliking dogs
Ahhh… so it's (((You))).
d4ffee No.15998306
>>15998250
Since he's probably only going to play the game once might as well recommend something he only has to choose and then start playing.
00819d No.15998765
>>15927102
What makes MIB88 a better choice than Killap's Restoration Project?
926016 No.15998778
>>15950906
>Thinks Humans a race that invented nukes, the word problematic, islam and homosexuals are superior to dogs.
Find a cliff and fling yourself off it.
eea827 No.15998965
>>15998765
Nothing? It's just that they're a different beast. One's a restoration patch with purism prioritized and the other's a something crazy slavs with too much time on their hands cobbled together. It's more janky and there's the occasional moon logic moment but it expands the game to a point it could easily be sold as a separate title.
It's also pretty good, too.
d97156 No.15999168
Remember when pic related was the worst Fallout game?
cba5fb No.16007235
>>15998778
You're some kinda stupid if you think domesticated dogs in current year having some basic sense of loyalty means anything compared to humanity
dogs are basic animals at the end of the day. Leave a baby with a wild dog, it will more than likely eat it. Stray dogs will eat their own shit. etc etc
83c812 No.16007318
>>15999168
I had fun kinda although I remember nothing really. Could have been way better if they made combat turn based
1a30b0 No.16009168
>>16007235
Dogs have made more valuable contributions to western civilization than most groups of "people" on this planet.
30a092 No.16009368
>>15998778
>does not realize atleast humans can invent something
nice try peta
1a30b0 No.16010651
>>16009368
When have you invented anything?
1307f7 No.16011679
>>15934224
>>15933747
>Small Guns are viable all the way through in Fallout 2
Except the intro
7981ab No.16018755
fallout 1 is always worth a playthrough. it's simply good.
4f4e47 No.16018875
>>16009168
Name three.
>>16010651
When has a dog?
1307f7 No.16019039
>>16018875
>Name three
Not him but are you seriously unaware of the contributions dogs make to western civilization?
2ae1e5 No.16019168
>>15930534
Muties aren't meant to be killed alone. Their mini-guns and lasers will deal upwards of 250 points of damage on your ass, unless you're pimped to the max with Power/Tesla Armor and big ass fucking guns.
Protip– Spec in Speech and then just convince them you're a mutie, because they're retarded and will believe anything you tell them with a speech higher than ~80
2ae1e5 No.16019182
>>15930621
Holy shit you are really bad at specs.
>If you spec Melee weapons, use melee weapons.
>If you spec Small Guns, use small guns
>If you spec non-combatitives, God help you.
2ae1e5 No.16019195
>>15933747
The first third of the game is total trash, in my opinion. It's slow, boring, and you don't really do much until you get to the point where you can become a pornstar.
b6b89c No.16019200
>>16019182
>>If you spec non-combatitives
If you spec non-combat skills, don't get into fights.
b6b89c No.16019223
>>16019200
forgot to unflag.
468d28 No.16019764
>>15934179
>Caesar was right in that it's meant to fail
It's meant to fail, because it has no choice but to fail narratively if they still want to keep a wasteland worth telling stories in. It has nothing to do with the political structure of the emerging nation, and it wasn't corrupt Republicanism/Capitalism which lead the world to Armageddon since a lot of other nations following lots of other ideologies and politics which contributed to the war. Fallout, at it's core, has traditionally been a meta story about the clash of civilizations and ideologies - and the Great War was just a means of wiping the slate clean for those new societies to rise up. It's window dressing. But the NCR is getting too big and settling the new wild west - so they have to go. Maybe not being exterminated, but limited in their power and fractured, so that they don't swallow up all the land and tribes from which those new ideologies and societies are forming. Claiming that they're just following in the same footsteps (and mistakes) that lead to the Great War is just lazy, though I guess also necessary in that you can't show a constitutional republic being successful without defaulting the bias towards the success of real-world constitutional republics that the players are living in. It really only leaves room for one solution to the wasteland, and any mis-steps or tragedies that befall it to limit it's expanse are just that - tragedies. You need to discredit constitutional republics in the universe of Fallout so that the player will be more apt to look at and consider the merits of other societies.
The NCR isn't destined to fall because it's corrupt or too big or because it's inherently flawed - it's destined to fall because it's necessary to keep the franchise going.
57bf8f No.16022134
as much as i enjoy f1 & 2, it's hard not to minmax, special is always the same (with traits) as are the tagged skills. still great but you're gimping yourself if you don't optimise properly
50f808 No.16022139
>>16019764
>Implying that the institute and house ending isn't canon
>Implying that humanity doesn't go into the starts and ends up colonizing other planets and rebuilding the world, without (((Outside Influences)))
>>16022134
Vault girl doesn't have nearly enough art(and rule 34)
5b375e No.16022177
The entire Fallout series is overrated.
b6b89c No.16022547
>>16022418
>Candid
The instant messaging app made as a honeypot?
b617ad No.16022625
>>16009168
>Dogs have made more valuable contributions to western civilization than most groups of "people" on this planet
moral support does not count as contribution
dogs have no value if a logical perspective
its pathetic that west cares about hounds so much,but it should be no suprise west gone soft ,especially america and england with rise of social justice and feminism they normilized that fact a person should care about a animal
which if you life on middle ages you would care more about what animal are you gonna hunt rather then which one you gonna pet and waste all your money and resources on
b617ad No.16022630
>>16022625
fack i was high i facked mein grammer up !!
82bcfb No.16022638
>>16019039
>dogs
>helpfull
pick one you cant have both laying around and looking cute does not help no one
caa3c7 No.16022643
>>16022625
>>16022638
are you two retarded? there were dogs that were strictly for ornamentation of course but in the past dogs were bred strictly for work. they served a purpose as warning systems and guards for flocks of animals. they hunted alongside man. you didn't get a border collie because they were cute, you got them because it saved having a man guard the sheep. you had a terrier to drive foxes out of their holes and a bloodhound to track and drive raccoons out of trees.
03f623 No.16022654
>>16022625
>dogs have no value
>fack i was high
course you were, emotional intelligence matters 10x more than "logical"/autistic intelligence, hence chinks being complete scum despite having high iq's
d673bb No.16022667
>>16022638
The dog is useful in 1. Pretty decent little friend. However, the bethshit games have the absolute worst dogs in the series. Dogmeat in toddout 4 is absolute fucking shit. Constantly gets you killed, pushes you off ledges, and you are literally forced into having that pathetic mutt. Annoying footsteps too. It's also mandatory to have *him* for a story mission.
Fuck Todd, Fuck Bethesda.
b6b89c No.16022688
>>16022667
I like how he teleports for the quest if you have the audacity to sequence break.
and cornflake man's hideout has a pile of rubble. before you're allowed to go there
82bcfb No.16022697
>>16022654
logic always beats emotions
>>16022643
t.pitbull owner inb4 his pitbull hats him
>>16022667
i always kill dog meat
d071db No.16022699
>>16022643
but can they invent shit ?
humans can
5c0878 No.16022703
>>16022654
and yet japan is one of the most non-niggerd and advanced country on this planet ,not being a weeb just saying and most of chinks are atheist
03f623 No.16022707
>>16022697
>logic always beats emotions
logically, yes :')
but no, it doesn't. chinks and jews are (on average) the most intelligent people on the planet yet they have no sense of community, they're greedy and always think for themselves. if you're autistic this sounds ideal but it's beyond terrible, we're human, you need empathy for culture to exist
5c0878 No.16022768
>>16022707
you cant spell empathetic with out pathetic
cf4ead No.16022782
>>16022707
>jews have no sense of community
wut the bastards build a nation with their shekels and it wasa combined effort,surely they could not buy that huge land called isrealwith out forming a community
same for chinks they have one of the most tight communities you dont need to overly empathetic you just need to be smart
b6b89c No.16022794
>>16022707
>chinks and jews are (on average) the most intelligent people on the planet yet they have no sense of community
congratulations on being wrong on both accounts.
There are more 140IQ Whites than jews total, jews have a strong sense of community while sabotaging outsiders.
caa3c7 No.16022802
>>16022697
pitbulls were bred specifically as people killers, people that raise them should be aware of this fact and should be 100% responsible for anything they kill. the gooks have breeds of dog specifically for eating fwiw
>>16022699
of course not but that doesn't mean they dont have a purpose. a man cant dive into a foxhole or track an animal's scent.
40a21d No.16022823
>>16022802
how about we just ban the pitbulls ? and let only cops and army use them, i dont mind people owning gun but you can control a gun, but you cant always control a pitbull it will one day snap either to owner or to someone else its natural order
c7e59b No.16022831
>>16022802
>a man cant dive into a foxhole or track an animal's scent.
yet
b6b89c No.16022834
>>16022802
>pitbulls were bred specifically as people killers
pitbulls like the name implies, were bred specifically for dogfights.
590782 No.16022892
>>16022834
>pitbull
>dogfights
>name implies
No, they were bred for bull baiting, like the name actually implies you knob.
ef91cf No.16023118
>>16022625
>tfw you know good looking women who pretty much dedicate their life to dogs instead of having children with their husband.
3aa283 No.16023206
ef91cf No.16023277
>>16022823
German Shepherds are superior in everyway.
1307f7 No.16023329
>>16022831
>geneticly engineered manlets the size of terriers
WHAT MADNESS HAVE YOU WROUGHT
92f339 No.16023703
>>16023329
power of human race..anon..dont underestimate the power and autism which makes us superior to any life form on this planet
>>16023118
my aunt is married but due to being around dogs too much she caught some sort a sickness where the fetus dies inside her belly
my aunt cucked herself and her 5th husband
never liked her anyways she was almost at tears when i tazed a cat on gta 5 animal lovers are pathetic regardless
1db5a4 No.16023713
>>16023206
>does not realize everytime a dog attacks or kills someone
>its a pitbull
413646 No.16023825
>>16022823
>B& dogs
Sounds reasonable.
b6b89c No.16023861
>>16023703
>when i tazed a cat on gta 5
Are you a nigger?
If you're playing GTA 5 in the first place, that makes me inclined to believe that, abusing virtual animals rather than virtual niggers and fat "people" is another clue.
a61d50 No.16023880
>>16022823
>Ban dogs
How about we just ban you?
d160e1 No.16023884
>>16023825
I WANT TO PENETRATE THAT CATS VAGINA SO FURIOUSLY THAT MY HEART AND SOUL SEEPS INTO HERS AND REFORMS HER INTO A WORTHY HOUSEWIFE AND WILL BEAR THE STRONGEST UBER CHILDREN TO STRENGTHEN OUR NATION AND OUR PEOPLE
a61d50 No.16023886
>>16023884
She's only into Frogs, sorry.
b6b89c No.16023891
>>16023886
>nobody actually bought frogged.com and doesn't host images there
this makes me angry.
b08017 No.16023897
>>16023886
She's: "Never been tried before"
a61d50 No.16023898
>>16023891
>>16023897
Pepe is hot, need more porn of him and his thicc body
:^) <3
12b64b No.16024569
>>16023897
I want to fucking impregnate commie cat holy fuck
82bcfb No.16026164
>>16023880
t.pitbull owner
fa561b No.16026169
>>16023861
>not killing virtual women and animals but niggers and fat people
you bait is shit m8
>>16023880
not dogs just pitbulls they are the niggers of dogs you know it faggot
cfea1a No.16026179
>>16023880
Banning pitbulls does not equal banning all dogs
f343e9 No.16026180
>>16023886
>>16023897
I don't get these images.
Most communists say on their own that communism hasn't been tried as an excuse when communist regimes fail (i.e it's not properly communist that's why it fails).
So why does she need to be paid by money or a sausage to say that?
6d4e30 No.16026199
>>16026179
Reminder that people who hate pitbulls are soulless chinks trying to slowly introduce the idea of hating dogs into the West. First it's pitbulls because they're "nigger dogs," then they'll go for another breed and then another. The only people who blame a breed are people who don't understand how to train dogs, and the only people who hate dogs enough to want a breed wiped out are the bugmen and dog-fighting ghetto rats.
713fe8 No.16026225
>>16026199
i bet you like real niggers as well
>The only people who blame a breed are people who don't understand
>blame the breed
nigger where do you think you are reddit ?
thats like saying niggers are not retarded you dont belong here you retarded pitbull lover fuck off
ab373a No.16026229
>>16026199
>ignore the fact pitbulls kill people more then anydogs the post
fd516c No.16026242
>>16026199
>this person exists in real life
253d35 No.16026255
>>16026199
>who hate dogs enough to want a breed wiped out are the bugmen and dog-fighting ghetto rats.
>ghetto rats
>does not realize niggers love pitbulls
thats too much autism you have there m8
cfea1a No.16026269
>>16026199
I'm just saying despite being only 2.5% of the dog population of the USA they make up 51% of all dog bites, over 60% if we include mixed breeds.
774a96 No.16026275
>>15927116
I so badly want to see what happened to Chicago. Or, more specifically, I'd like a different game company to make a similar-yet-legally-separate game to FO and set it in Chicago.
50f808 No.16026283
>>15927240
if they did, they would block your way into the elevator when going to the new floor, and you would have to kill them. this would repeat for every floor, until they were all dead. would it kill them to add an extra hex space in the force field doorway?
50f808 No.16026289
>>16026180
because there is no food or money in communist countries, that's the joke
8977fb No.16026299
>>16026199
Pitbulls are dumb, fucking ugly and have anger issues. Get to fuck with that bullshit anon.
5e9662 No.16026341
>>16023897
>Ywn pound the left out of the communist cat
>Ywn turn the catgirl into a traditional, loving housewife.
Little by little I lose my will to fight
5b375e No.16026359
>>16026199
>I found a cute picture of a pitbull therefor all arguments against them are invalid
be7dcb No.16026399
>>16026199
Niggers and pitbulls should burn.
or be deported to Africa whatever
011837 No.16026402
>>16026199
go back to reddit and spread your cancer there
none of us here are stupid enough to like pitbulls
use logic faggot they are the niggers of dogs
0b7345 No.16026448
>>15987668
I'll just take this away.
3b743e No.16026449
>>16026199
>>16026437
Dogfaggotry is a religion.
fdc9bc No.16026455
>>16026402
>liking a doggo is reddit
kys faggot any powerful animal is dangerous if mishandled
FO1 is best FO, but not by much over FO2. NV is good too. Everything else is trash by comparison.
0b5b69 No.16026456
>>16026199
What an autist. Gas yourself right now faggot, fucking embarassing.
d1874d No.16026673
>>16026455
>defending pitbulls
is your sub reddit down or something ?
61dcee No.16026683
>>16026455
>saying doggo
>defend shitbulls
>liking fallout 1 and 2
literally reddit.
4ce3d7 No.16026702
>>16026683
>20k farm animals
That's mostly chicken, geese and other birds, right? Don't think I've ever seen shitbull 1v1ing a cow
9e06a7 No.16026710
>>16026683
No wonder niggers love pitbulls, they act just like them
221ceb No.16026769
>>16026199
>know someone who has a pitbull who will possibly attack strangers
>defends it saying the dog is extremely good with the kids
>Will attack other dogs
Pitfags are delusional.
065cf0 No.16030217
>New Vegas
>install several mods
>40GB big game folder
>mod manager doesn't even let me remove the fomod files
>alt-tabbing makes the sound glick and repeat until I go back
>eventually it doesn't even let me, game just closes
>running in windows glitches everything
>find a mod that does boarderless
>greentext on fullchan, because I don't know what to do with my life