59635d No.15915734
So to the shock no one here on /v/ it seems like Persona 5 Crimson or R as it's referred to in the article is coming 2019.
http://archive.is/TGgKZ
f148d4 No.15915820
>>15915734
Looks like it'll be a Switch port since Joker was announced for SSBU. Sony decided to censor Japanese content as they want to appeal to ResetEra furfag trannies, so Atlus is probably looking elsewhere.
cb7fc3 No.15915827
>persona 3 fes - Aigis romance added
>persona 4 golden - Marie romance added
Whoever the new P5R waifu is (please be Sae), Futaba will always be my #1 girl.
98bb89 No.15915832
d688d3 No.15915843
i'm just about to try the game out now that the ps3 emu is slightly less shit, i liked p4 because i'm a sucker for card games and lets be honest this is pretty much all there is to this thing , so heads first motherfuckers, wish me luck.
3cc6a3 No.15915845
They're probably going to shove a new girl into the plot like their previous shitty remakes. I hope I'm wrong on that but Atlus' track record with remakes in recent times is not good at all.
784ef0 No.15915847
>>15915734
I really REALLY want Hifumi to be made playable, although I'll be quite disappointed if her persona wouldn't be a fictional samurai.
943464 No.15915849
I wonder if the new character will be as shit as pic related.
I'm not much of a Persona guy or even a SMT guy, but I'm surprised just how much this character angered me of how shit, meaningless and pointless she was.
cb7fc3 No.15915850
>>15915845
Still salty about Strange Journey Redux?
9cffc5 No.15915855
3cc6a3 No.15915857
>>15915850
It's pattern recognition at this point, best be cautious about modern Atlus' quality output.
516169 No.15915858
>>15915850
Yes.
>And about Etrian Untold.
>And Persona 4 Golden (see >>15915849 )
P3P as well in a roundabout sort of way.
>Don't remember about the P2 remakes though. Fairly certain IS surprisingly didn't have a waifu shoved in but can't say about EP.
59635d No.15915860
>>15915847
Predictions
>Hifumi will be part of the group and play a greater role
>Goro "Get smoked" will have a larger role and will be saved
>Better ways to mange time
>quality of life changes
>each character will have more in depth S-links
Anything to add?
>>15915857
It's a pattern that's getting fucking old
>>15915850
Yes
d688d3 No.15915864
>>15915858
p3p was a fine handheld experience, it didn't have animations outside of dungeons that's all right?
7158c6 No.15915873
>>15915860
>Predictions
I only want to save goro, restore Shiho smile, add her as a companion and remove some scenes that ruin the surprises like when coffee girl's dad gets murdered and dies on national tv.
Also, higher difficulty in the fucking NG+.
59635d No.15915883
>>15915873
You can't protect this smile
9d722e No.15915891
It's gonna be complete cancer. But I would want to see the chess girl and moon guy get a persona
027e87 No.15915928
>>15915827
>long hair makoto
c94fc1 No.15915947
Goro was a weird character for me. I didn't care for his painfully fake persona, his bitch ass reveal was alright but then everybody forgets he ever existed. P5 desperately tries to pretend to be its P2 but doesn't even make a rumor shadow Goro appear while he's still in the consciousness of people. This endgame was such a shitshow.
702341 No.15915981
>mfw i hope this gets ported to Switch
Lets be honest, its better to port this than make it an exclusive because we all know Soyny will bully Atlus to censor the game just to protect the children.
cb7fc3 No.15915983
>>15915981
Altus is too big for Sony to bully
6004f0 No.15915994
QUICK CLAIM YOUR PERSONA WAIFU
I CALL FUTABA
NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE HER
702341 No.15915996
>>15915983
>implying Commiefornia cares about how big they are.
They don't give a shit, the SJWs will keep crying until they convience Soyny to censor Persona 5 Crimson, especially when they saw problematic content on the vanilla version.
516169 No.15915998
>>15915996
Wasn't there a big fuss about some faggot named Connor whining about how he couldn't pozz the translation?
eccba9 No.15916003
why does japan always remake a special version of a game
taking shit and recycling it always will give shit
2a7e2f No.15916005
>>15915996
>Implying Sega, the parent company of Atlus with a known connection to the Yakuza, will sit back and take shit from some commiefornia dipple shit SJW
Don't forget that one of the main reason the fags complained so hard was because Sega Japan was basically standing over the shoulder of everyone working on the localization. There were even that one Atlus USA employee complaining one twitter about how she tried to fix problematic content and the Sega JP guy told her she was the problematic one and if she didn't do the job the way Sega wanted it she could look for another one
391beb No.15916010
>>15915994
Naoto best persona girl
702341 No.15916032
>>15915994
Don't start this now anon.
Personafags are the worst waifufags, so lets not make this downgraded to a waifuwar thread.
b8261f No.15916117
>>15915850
My answer to you is "kys". Just like with Radiant Historia they retconned the endings (notably the true golden ending for RH) and ruined shit for a trash character; doesn't even get into the jewish DLC and the other bullshit they added.
I have a fondness for Atlus despite their retardation and occasional jewry, but what they did to those games was unacceptable and disgraceful. It was something I'd have expected out of a far lesser company.
>>15915983
Wrong, Catherine has likely been censored unfortunately.
>>15916032
Not true. The worst waifufags are nu-FE fags. At least Persona waifu have some style, unique designs and stronger personalities. The nu-FE fags are newfags even to having waifus. The designs are trash and very basic and the personalities are demented and retarded.
>>15916020
>3 votes for "I hated it"
LOL
Must've been connor and his freelance fags on twitter, how pathetic
>>15916005
Sega is big and powerful yes, but they aren't big enough to take on Sony. The console market in Japan is a literal duopoly between Nintendo and Sony.
7158c6 No.15916164
>>15915883
you know what, now i want the impossible, to be able to protect her smile, but by doing so I activated the impossible difficulty, just because she was the only girl that didnt believed the rumors and cheered for you.
59635d No.15916200
>>15916117
>Must've been connor and his freelance fags on twitter, how pathetic
I wounder how salt they still are?
>>15916164
Maybe they'll actually make her a link.
5e93cf No.15916339
>>15915860
Maybe they can put in some effort like soul hackers and have saving goro as part of the new game plus.
042555 No.15916510
Ready for Connor Krammer and Crew 2: Electric Boogaloo?
5f703b No.15916545
i want to sniff morgana's butt hole
ba8cbf No.15916554
a04f5e No.15916563
>>15915827
Aigis was available to romance in the original. The main thing FES added was the epilogue dungeon. Atlus did not start adding additional worst girls into megaten until Golden. Whoever they add expect to be shit given their track record with rereleases.
c567f7 No.15916646
>>15916554
0%. Atlus is allergic to PC.
59635d No.15916658
>>15916510
I'll lose it if he shows up here again.
4c8009 No.15917510
>>15915860
How about:
>Party members can fucking use revival items if the MC dies
There is no reason for the battle to just fucking end because the RNG decided that the AoE attacks would hit the MC every time and miss every single member of your party. With the only defense against this being a late game Futaba ability(that only works once per battle).
d11c39 No.15917541
>>15917510
how about fuck you get good? the game is casual enough as it is.
if you don't play in merciless difficulty kys.
4c8009 No.15917551
>>15917541
>kys
>>>/cuckchan/
There are harder RPGs in the world that don't game over the second one particular character goes down. There is no defending this design choice because it is simply, shit.
027e87 No.15917584
I can't wait for the new round of butthurt cryfest f over the forthcoming added lewd Sae romance.
But even if nothing changes there will still be new salty cuntdrips about it because it sold well and was a good game and had attractive females and delicious cakes and was devoid of homosex and sjw translation gatekeeping.
keep getting smoked connor
92a678 No.15917715
>>15917551
Its a hold over from SMT proper, and honestly, its not even that big a deal since you can just stack rakukaja and equip a persona immune to whatever is giving you trouble. It really is not that hard.
d11c39 No.15917749
>>15917551
if equipping a proper persona for the area you're in is too much trouble for you, then go play something easier you whiny baby.
58f510 No.15917760
>>15917551
>everything that's hard is bad design
Arin?
496fb2 No.15917797
>>15917584
>lewd Sae romance
harem end pls
027e87 No.15917860
>>15917797
christmas layer cake?
58f510 No.15917884
>>15917860
>you will never have a harem of the cake in Persona 5
b3d47d No.15917892
persona is shit, mainline smt is superior in every way
d11c39 No.15917930
>>15917892
wow anon you're so cool and rebellious
b3d47d No.15917958
c94fc1 No.15917973
>>15917958
I liked 4F completely ignoring the friendshit route but I'll wait for V before deciding if either is superior to the other. Devil Summoner not Raidou is the best series anyway.
74e45e No.15917994
>>15916005
>There were even that one Atlus USA employee complaining one twitter about how she tried to fix problematic content and the Sega JP guy told her she was the problematic one and if she didn't do the job the way Sega wanted it she could look for another one
Seriously? I knew SJWs were having a tantrum over the game but I didn't know Sega was telling them to fuck off.
7ce9b3 No.15918013
>>15916005
Link/source to the Sega JP guy telling her to fuck off?
081ed7 No.15918289
>>15916005
> and the Sega JP guy told her she was the problematic one and if she didn't do the job the way Sega wanted it she could look for another one
You better have proof of that because if so my opinion of Sega might actually improve
8826db No.15918307
>>15915734
>still won't have a harem route
Into the trash it goes.
b3d47d No.15918335
>>15918307
Kill yourself haremfag
59635d No.15918339
>>15916005
Gonna need proof anon
8826db No.15918350
378e5c No.15918363
>>15915734
While the re-release is likely, it could also be a spin off though not the FG one because apparently Granblue VS has put that project on hold.
>>15916005
Sega is gonna fly over a bunch of loud angry manlets in tacky suits to Commiefornia to bumrush Soyny HQ and beat the shit out of everyone.
ba8cbf No.15918386
>>15918010
I got ps3 but still would like it on pc.
30b5e7 No.15918390
>>15915734
>Fags here think Persona 5 R will be an R rated Persona 5.
>Forget Joker just got confirmed for Smash.
>It will end up just being a Switch and PC versions.
Sega is going to Skyrim/Street fighter 2 out Persona 5 for the next fucking decade like seriously milk that shit for all its worth. Do not get you hopes up for extra shit guys. It will only end in disappointment.
5147e9 No.15918403
>>15917715
>>15917749
>>15917760
>Hurr hurr you don't like it because it's hard
You illiterate niggers that's not even what I said, learn to read. I even explicitly stated that there are HARDER RPGs that don't have this weird design choice. There are hundreds of RPGs harder than SMT that don't feel the need to do this. It's a purely artificial difficulty construct and the fact that you guys are defending this shows how fucking whipped you all are.
867875 No.15918405
>>15918390
>R-Rated Persona 5
What did he mean by this? There is no R-rating in Japan or USA
867875 No.15918420
>>15918403
>it’s not hard but it’s ‘’artificially’’ hard
Nigger what the fuck are you saying? Seriously why are you even whining about this when gameplay of Persona 5 is basically not being a retard=not being killed
2a7e2f No.15918434
>>15918289
>>15918013
I'm sorry I don't have proof. I remember seeing a screen cap of the girl's twitter feed where she was complaining about it. It was posted during the whole drama and someone here posted a bunch of screen grabs from twitter of SJWs complaining and lobbying Atlus and then he posted like 4 screen grabs from this girl claiming she was an employee, and apologizing for what Sega made her do, and then told her story about the Sega JP guy telling her to fuck off.
Sorry, I didn't save them
d11c39 No.15918450
>>15918403
>b-b-but thats not what i said!
>b-b-but i fixed it!
>b-b-but artificial difficulty!
stop already, you said something dumb and now you get bulli'd for a bit. you either let it go or the bulling intensifies.
042555 No.15918471
>>15918390
>>Fags here think Persona 5 R will be an R rated Persona 5
Were the posts saying that real in your mind or something?
d11c39 No.15918476
>>15918471
its gonna be Persona Racing All Night
cb7fc3 No.15918494
>>15918390
I thought it was obvious the R stood for Red.
>persona 5 Crimson
>persona 5 R(ed)
>references to red colours
But I guess some Retards here just didn't get it.
042555 No.15918514
d56fba No.15918516
>>15918403
Here's why you Game Over if the MC dies you double nigger. MC is the only character in the game that can hold multiple personas giving him a much bigger advantage and situations to deal with than the other party members. They balance this by forcing you to protect the MC despite how much more powerful he is instead of face fucking everything. He is the the best character of the party and at the same time he's the achilles heel.
378e5c No.15918684
>>15918476
>Futaba, Morgana and Makoto just blasting off into the sunset
>Ryuuji screaming "Bullshit!"
>Yusuke, bless his heart, trying his best as Goemon runs carrying him
>Kaneshiro literally steamrolls everyone
081ed7 No.15918722
>>15918516
None of this makes for any actual difficulty since on hard mode the computer exploits critical hits and downs far more readily meaning you can be KOd on the first turn with no way to counterattack. So if you have that happen to you for any reason you lose all your progress because nobody else in your party can throw out the many restorative items or Morgana's revive spell just because the game has this retarded gameplay decision. There's no reason the fool arcana should be the thing the game revolves around when one of the major things is teamwork.
All that change did was make it so that you might arbitrarily lose progress and have to rerun the last 30 or so minutes of a dungeon or boss fight over again.
>>15918434
>Sorry, I didn't save them
Hopefully someone managed to do so themselves. I found it facinating how people wanted to do a shit localization of Persona 5 when they found out that the villain would be a trump analogue.
fddb7e No.15918727
73ce54 No.15918955
>>15918722
The whole point of the Fool Arcana is that it gets stronger with friends to team up with and strengthen it. Teamwork is the Fool arcana.
516169 No.15919012
>>15918722
>I found it fascinating how people wanted to do a shit localization of Persona 5 when they found out that the villain would be a trump analogue.
>Every villainous politician is now Drumpfy
4bb3c4 No.15919125
>>15917797
Why are the eyes on her boobies closed?
4bb3c4 No.15919130
>>15918494
What about person rose?
95f169 No.15919143
The game is already 50 hours longer than it needs to be and they want to add more?
79d34e No.15919147
>>15919143
What would you cut?
95f169 No.15919157
>>15919147
That fucking cat.
c70244 No.15919205
c94fc1 No.15919207
>>15919147
I'd cut out Morgana and everything to do with the Velvet Room bullshit and come up with literally anything else for an endgame. Make it so Senator Armstrong's ego being so huge actually effecting the real world like it was implied when you defeated his henchmen on the ship. Something that focuses on the journey instead of throwing it all out just to appear grander than it really was.
90a7ea No.15919213
Persona 5R
Persona VR
Heard it here first
042555 No.15919286
>>15919277
>Persona 5 S M B
>Persona 5 Super Mario Brothers
c94fc1 No.15919294
>>15919277
>M
Musical
>S
>B
Side B with a new protagonist and new path. I'd say Goro is more likely than a femc this time around.
d11c39 No.15919316
>>15919012
>>15919277
>Persona 5 Battle
>Persona 5 Maze
>Persona 5 Survival
>Persona 5 Racing
ITS ALL SPINOFFS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
519f3a No.15919320
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59635d No.15919323
>>15919294
What if Crimson just says fuck it and does FeMC and Goro at the same time since they have shekels now?
194508 No.15919336
>>15919286
>Persona 5 Sucks My Balls
c94fc1 No.15919373
>>15919323
Then they better fucking give me Shiho as a confidant.
d56b19 No.15919402
59635d No.15919406
>>15919373
They actually might add that since a lot of the Japanese player base likes her.
027e87 No.15919416
>>15919125
>eyes
>not mouths
59635d No.15919583
>>15918390
>Fags here think Persona 5 R will be an R rated Persona 5.
Where did anyone say this?
c61ab9 No.15919659
Actually, the only good thing that could happen.
>The ending of Persona 5 outright violated the rules set forth in Persona 2.
>It's not a coincidence that P5 was literally a Word-Replace of the P2 story-line.
>The universe begins to collapse on December 24th.
>The multiverse unravels.
>Joker and crew now have to face the consequences of tampering with things.
>Belladonna stops singing breaking the promise that she'd never stop singing for you.
>She doesn't even know who (((you))) are.
>The only safe place is the Velvet Room.
>Difficulty kicks up 3 notches.
>Water returns as an element as proof that the wall that was built at the end of P2 is now gone.
>The Reaper reveals that he's actually Tatsuya Sudou
>Joker(P5) vs Joker (P2)
>The P3 and P4 cast get involved because everything is fucked beyond repair.
>There's no fixing this.
>The world is permanently fucked.
>All the surviving humans can do is Survive.
>The End.
21c456 No.15919712
>>15915827
Haru looks way better
Futaba looks the same
Anne Looks good, just different
Makoto looks waifu tier, more mature
her sister looks like she's ready for sex
The one with the card looks better
The mah jong playing one looks like a boy
Doctor looks better. before she looked like a slut
Kawakami looks more like a mom
Ohya looks the same
473fb1 No.15919737
>>15919659
>He thinks it's possible for modern Persona to have an SMT-tier bad end
That's cute, anon.
59635d No.15919750
>>15919712
>Kawakami looks more like a mom
That's not a bad thing.
52344d No.15919758
>>15919659
what rules did it violate
a04f5e No.15919770
>>15919750
>wanting to impregnate a prostitute
>thinking Kawakami is anything other than worst girl
408e4b No.15919776
>>15919770
>this meme again
473fb1 No.15919779
>>15919770
>prostitute
She never fucked any other dudes. She specifically said she didn't. She thought that's what she'd have to resort to if things got bad, but you stepped in before they did.
3b1255 No.15919781
>>15919776
don't reply to the retarded nagatoro poster
a04f5e No.15919789
>>15919779
Just because you were her first customer does not make her less of a whore. While it is true she does not fuck any other men the fact that she was willing to says everything.
2736f2 No.15919795
>>15919789
>just because someone didn't perform the role of a prostitute doesn't mean they aren't a prostitute
What?
f6df84 No.15919796
>>15915843
Good luck anon.
473fb1 No.15919799
>>15919789
Her job wasn't to fuck men. It's was kind of a lewd maid service but not for full on sex. That's why when things get desperate it seems like she's going to have to resort to the other.
5b7c42 No.15919804
I'm just gonna say that Personiggers are fucking retards for coming up with the name Crimson
a04f5e No.15919806
>>15919799
She was delivery health. They are prostitutes using the guise of housework as a thinly veiled cover.
f19cd3 No.15919823
>>15919789
>Just because you were her first customer does not make her less of a whore. While it is true she does not fuck any other men the fact that she was willing to says everything.
>Does not fuck men for money just cleans the place.
>Somehow a hooker.
You have to be a black guy as no human is this dumb.
473fb1 No.15919826
>>15919806
It is established the company she works for is more tame, hence her reaction when she'd have to switch companies to a more extreme one.
a04f5e No.15919841
>>15919823
If you had not come along she would have. She says as much. Your waifu was perfectly happy to whore herself out and only does not because you foot enough of a bill. How is a whore who only is with you because you pay her not worst girl?
473fb1 No.15919846
>>15919841
No, things get desperate because you tell her to stop paying the people she was paying and they up their demands and threats. If you hadn't shown up she would have just kept doing that maid job, not go the other company. You keep failing, anon.
cb7fc3 No.15919857
>>15919277
the S better be Persona 5 Smoked
867875 No.15920204
>>15919857
>Persona 5 Smoked
>It’s an arena shooter
After the Jojo Battle Royale anything is possible
4587f0 No.15920250
>>15915849
Well at least the design aesthetic was spot on. Every single person I've ever met who dressed like that has been vapid, narcissistic, needy for attention and overall useless. Which I guess actually describes a lot more women than just those that dress like that - but those special cunts take it up a few extra notches.
b85791 No.15920342
>>15918307
harems are fucking garbage
bc9e84 No.15920393
>Persona 5 S
>Persona 5 Six
58f510 No.15920777
>>15918390
What the fuck, anon?
>>15918403
>construct
Outed yourself.
>>15918722
>I don't know how to equip strong personas
>I don't know how to play this casualized RPG
>so it's bad waah
>>15920393
Persona 5 Sex Edition. I'd buy it.
6004f0 No.15920873
3cc6a3 No.15921002
74e45e No.15921062
496fb2 No.15921247
>>15920393
>Persona 5 /ss/
4c8009 No.15921629
>>15918420
>Enemy gets lucky crit on MC
>Enemy attacks MC again
>20hp
>Next enemy's turn, does an AoE and kills the MC because your party can't take hits for you in the case of AoE attacks
>MC dies and you lost 4 hours of progress even though you did nothing wrong
This happened many times on my playthrough of the game.
>>15918450
Oh no, people are gonna say mean things to me on the internet? Whatever shall I do? Not be a pussy is what I'm gonna do
>>15920777
How does using the word construct out me? Just because SocJus types use it a lot? Fuck you, they don't own the word. Constructs are a thing and they can be good or bad. Go back to /pol/, faggot
>I don't know how to equip strong personas
Strong personas won't protect you from crits and AoE insta-death spells. Unless you mean to tell me there's a Persona that nullifies melee, gun, light and dark. (I haven't played the game in a good long while but I'm pretty sure such a persona doesn't exist)
04faa6 No.15921988
>>15921629
>Unless you mean to tell me there's a Persona that nullifies melee, gun, light and dark.
There are several persona in the late game that nullify physical, bless, curse and instant-death spells. None that nullify gun attacks though.
95f169 No.15922095
>>15921629
The whole 'game over on protagonist knockout' has been pointless since the first Persona; we're not controlling a party of demons here, take that shit out and re-balance the game.
378e5c No.15922108
>>15919277
They're just fuckin' with people.
58f510 No.15922167
>>15921629
>Constructs are a thing and they can be good or bad
You did it again, faggot. Nice try.
>Strong personas won't protect you from crits and AoE insta-death spells. Unless you mean to tell me there's a Persona that nullifies melee, gun, light and dark.
<strong personas means the same thing as the end-all-be-all persona god that takes away all reason to change personas, the entire point of the fucking spinoff series
<he is this bad at video games
Anon you fucking idiot, you're supposed to swap your personas around frequently so you have all your bases covered. Come on, please try a little harder to play the game well. Of course, this whole discussion revolves around you being unwilling to die or lose in a video game. Taking away the main way that the player can fail in Persona games takes away almost all of the challenge - total party wipes are rare unless you're underleveled. Can't handle having to restart a fight, faggot?
>>15922095
>being able to lose means the game is unbalanced
For fuck's sake.
69512a No.15922174
>>15915827
Short hair is a sin.
95f169 No.15922243
>>15922167
>being able to lose means the game is unbalanced
No you blistering fucking moron, there's literally no reason for the game to end when the MC passes out because unlike real SMT games, your party is not made up of summoned demons that will leave/turn on you the moment you pass out. What I said was:
> take that shit out and re-balance the game.
Read the second clause. Read it? Read it again you smooth-brained nigger, because only a lingering remnant of stone age man could possibly read that and think I was advocating making the game easier. With MC knockout = game over removed, reconciling will be necessary to make the game HARDER.
Now do the world a favor and go re-enact your favorite cutscene from P3.
1426fe No.15922824
>>15919373
>The mentally handicapped used goods
>A confidant
<howlingwhores.photogram
>>15919406
I dont see a source but frankly I wouldn't be surprised that a bunch of autistic otaku want their pussy pre-owned. Probably cheaper that way.
c94fc1 No.15922928
>>15922824
I want to rehabilitate her smile. Better to give her the Strength and just toss the fusion sidequests making them actual fucking sidequests instead of wasting a confidant slot.
2736f2 No.15923651
>>15920777
>>I don't know how to equip strong personas
<Assuming that early game you have the luxury of breeding out all elemental weaknesses or not using persona that have the wrong vulnerabilities but the right offensive abilities
<implying that you'll always be able to mitigate critical hits or insta-death
<pretending that until late game you'll always be vulnerable in some aspect as the best skills are reserved for lvl 75+ persona.
You sound like the kind of faggot who doesn't understand why having to repeat the same stretch of a dungeon because of a single crit isn't actual difficulty. That is what we call tedium and it's something Persona 5 already has in spades with the plodding story, and the dungeon design doesn't make it much better. Nothing in the game would be easier or harder if you took this out and let Morgana revive you with the skill he gets naturally. All it would mean is that the game is slightly less a chore.
58f510 No.15924938
>>15922243
Listen here you fucking limp-dicked shrew, the MC is the only character with the Fool arcana and thus is the only character capable of truly setting the events of the story proper in motion in every Persona game. Without the MC the party will inevitably lose. From a purely gameplay perspective, MC is the only character the player actually controls in dungeons and thus must be alive at the end of all battles in order to proceed. You think it would be okay for the player to just temporarily control Ryuji? Or oh, I bet it would be really fucking good if you just had to game over if you didn't have any revival items at the end of combat anyway, right? Fucking braindead nigger, there is more to Persona/SMT games than just the combat - there are gameplay elements surrounding it that rely on the MC standing the fuck up to continue. Now, do me a personal favor and cosplay as Shiho.
>>15923651
>assuming in the early game Morgana has a revival skill
>assuming in the early game that revival items aren't in very limited supply
>implying instadeath skills even occur on enemies until the midgame when you have personas who resist those very skilss
>implying that it is the game's fault that you are a monkey
Your inability to actually use the tools the fucking game gives you is appalling. The only times you should die in Persona 5 are against bosses (whose battles you can restart right away without having to repeat part of the dungeon), as any other time if you manage your Personas and items well normal enemies should be a joke. I didn't say that repeating parts of the dungeon is where the challenge comes from, the "challenge" in Persona games comes exclusively from Persona management now that you can control your party and can dominate any normal enemy. If you can't handle that very basic concept, then you suck dicks and get punished by having to repeat parts of the dungeon. Or are you insinuating that players shouldn't be punished for their failures?
056c7a No.15924952
>>15922928
enjoy your used goods
4b8f88 No.15924997
>>15919823
there's a subtitled version!? I heard the official DVD release only had subtitles for the Japanese version, not for the english.
e79f31 No.15925018
>>15919286
>>15919277
>>15919294
>Persona 5 B???????
>Persona 5 Dancing Star Night
>Persona 5 S???????
>Persona 5 M???????
What did Atlus mean by this?
They are really milking this cash cow. Its P4 all over again.
Whens P5 Arena though
f0f459 No.15925118
>>15916117
What happened in Radiant Historia?
f0f459 No.15925240
>>15925200
>>15925223
Real shame the translation was garbage
2736f2 No.15925243
>>15924938
>and thus is the only character capable of truly setting the events of the story proper in motion in every Persona game.
>he hasn't played persona 1 or 2
>Doesn't know fool arcana were OK-to-good tier persona that anyone could use until P3
Checks out I guess, this rampant borderline Mary sue shit has been killing the Persona series and that's not saying they have ever been the pinnacle of RPG design, but at least they didn't make the entire game world revolve around a single character on a mechanical level and emphasized teamwork through the grid combat of P1, and fusion spells of P2. Everyone also used to be able to switch persona but had better and worse compatibility depending on arcana. Much better for a story about a team of humans working together than the current setup which reeks of post 00's anime wank.
>assuming in the early game Morgana has a revival skill
Never said that. Only the first bullet point applied to the early game
>assuming in the early game that revival items aren't in very limited supply
They are, why can't your party members use them for you? Oh right. MUH FOOL ARCANA. Does everyone just keel over and die if you're not there?
And no, on hard mode enemy encounters still can kill you so saying "you should only be dying on bosses" is outright retarded as you can get fucked in encounters at any stage until you reach peak eugenics with your demon fusions and have enough raw HP and equipment to mitigate getting downed and dog piled on.
>the "challenge" in Persona games comes exclusively from Persona management
How does death on MC down add to this? Maybe it's too hard for you to grasp, but the reason people call that particular facet of the game bad is because it doesn't add any real challenge to the game. It's just a mindless decision that both makes your other characters look like callous pricks for not healing you if the means are on hand, and it doesn't even impact anything since as you stated. Dying to a boss just means starting it over and unless you truly fucked yourself in planning for it you can just beat him the next go around. Likewise dying in an enemy encounter means just running back to where you died but with no added incentive save making sure to block or something. Is added tedium a good thing?
>Or are you insinuating that players shouldn't be punished for their failures?
You really don't get what the complaint is? Not a single person is saying to remove challenge, it's to make it a real consequence when death occurs. It's rare that I meet someone who is this die-hard about Persona 5 despite it's mediocrity. You want to punish the player, punish them for not having revive items in stock or being out of SP or not keeping up with their gear when entering higher level areas. The game should only end on the party being wiped given how little the current gameover paradigm actually matters. But at the end of the day it's a tedious little decision that retards like you will slurp up because in your mind you think it makes sense to have 25 revival Beads in your inventory and also a good stock of those revive items Takemaki sells (and maxing her SL so you can get them cheaper) but nobody uses one on you.
58f510 No.15925386
>>15925243
>Persona 1 or 2
Fair enough, but I was talking about about the current era/nupersona/whatever anons want to call it. Poor choice of words on my part. I agree that the game's story should be more about teamwork and how everyone contributes, though.
>hard mode
Bullshit, I played on Hard blind and only ever died to bosses or minibosses outside of a couple of very niche circumstances (at the very beginning of dungeons when the new monsters were introduced, typically).
>how does death on MC down add to this?
If you fail to manage your personas you lose the fight, what the fuck do you mean "how does being able to lose add challenge?" What does fit in to your evidently narrow definition of challenge, then? Tell me how you would simultaneously take out the mechanic in question and add more challenge to the game.
>it's rare to meet someone who is this die-hard about Persona 5
I wouldn't say I'm die-hard about Persona, I just think the complaint about MC death resulting in a game over is tired and usually unsubstantiated.
>why can't your party use the items on you
That isn't the fucking point, what if the fight ends before you use the revival item? What happens then, does the game go into limbo? Do you sit and look at a menu after combat? Is it still a game over if the MC dies and you are out of revival items, then? You failed to address that point in your post (to be fair it wasn't directed at you). The point is, the current mechanic is consistent. I've yet to see a solution that addresses all of the new issues that come up from taking the mechanic away. Of course, whiny faggots like you can't try to come up with solutions to things you don't like, so you just throw shit out like "well it doesn't make sense/it isn't realistic/it's tedious" without offering a real, nuanced solution. All you want to do is complain. I would be much more interested in your critique of the mechanic if you offered a sensible solution, but you won't.
2736f2 No.15925449
>>15925386
>Tell me how you would simultaneously take out the mechanic in question and add more challenge to the game.
The mechanics don't add to the overall difficulty of the game since the only consequence is time spent recooping your last position. You can take them out and not negatively impact the game design is my point. Nothing said so far has disproven that. Because you would still be managing your persona regardless of the current gameover paradigm. Play it straight where death only occurs on a full party wipe and nothing of value is lost.
>what if the fight ends before you use the revival item?
Same thing that happens currently, whoever is dead doesn't get XP and revives with 1hp after the fight.
>Is it still a game over if the MC dies and you are out of revival items, then?
Yes, I also mentioned this already specifically
>I've yet to see a solution that addresses all of the new issues that come up from taking the mechanic away.
There are no issues with removing it since the game doesn't hinge on it in any way. It's not integral to the story, it's nonsensical at that to have a team that won't work to help you when you're down. You could change it and what would be the problem with it right now?
>I would be much more interested in your critique of the mechanic if you offered a sensible solution, but you won't.
Cry me a river, I already said why the mechanic isn't conducive to real challenge and did offer my criteria for what Game over should mean. If you were hoping that I wouldn't have covered those bases so you can defend this retarded gameplay decision go bark up someone elses tree.
2736f2 No.15925460
>>15925449
>>Is it still a game over if the MC dies and you are out of revival items, then?
>Yes, I also mentioned this already specifically
Actually no, the game doesn't end if the MC dies and there are no revival items. Sorry about that.
58f510 No.15925738
>>15925449
>revives with 1hp after the fight
I forgot they did that in P5. I've played 3 most recently and they stay down until you revive them, so that was my mistake.
>cry me a river etc
My point was that I wanted you to tell me not only what should change but what should be done in its place, and now you've done that and it's all fair points.
081ed7 No.15925782
Ignore the ID change.
>>15925738
> so that was my mistake
No worries, I'm still trying to remember if it's game over in SMT1 if the main character dies but any humans are still alive. Last SNES game I had played was …if so my memory is kind of warped as well.
>and now you've done that and it's all fair points.
Cool. And thinking more about it, I would argue that combat would be a bit more challenging if the fight continued after the MC is downed because of how many actions are dependent on him being in a non-incapacitated state. Just look at what you lose if he gets hit with a status effect and extrapolate further. If the MC is dead you:
>Cannot all out attack
>cannot negotiate
>lose the most flexible member of your party, no persona swapping
>lose the ability to swap party members (depending on Star arcana rank)
>Lose any MC only abilities like the Tower (arcade kid) gun abilities
So at the very least for my playthroughs. If another party member got downed I would sometimes hold off on reviving them because it wasn't opportune to do so for various reasons. If the Mc got downed it would become a mini-mad dash to get him back on his feet to return these functions.
But really, I don't like the current direction of Persona. If they had continued the P3 track of not controlling your party I would gripe about this specific thing less (although I still think the AI should be able to revive you in that game) But this change and many others are in service of turning the MC into a visual novel protagonist and it's annoying at this point. Teamwork really got thrown under the bus with the new direction and even though P5 took steps to bring some of the party dynamics back it felt like 2 steps forward 4 steps back. Negotiations are a good example of this.
In P2 party negotiations were one of the best ways to really characterize the crew, including the silent MC Tatsuya/Maya. Being able to combination negotiate showed how characters felt about each other and the situations they were in. P5 party negotiations are locked behind rank 4-6 of their SL, and are RNG based so not even reliable. I never once in my whole game got one to trigger for the 4 party members I unlocked it on. Yoshida's SL was far more reliable and applicable and it's just more skills the MC uses on his own. I want these teams to feel like teams again and not one guy wrangling a bunch of tards.
702341 No.15925795
>>15920342
>Not liking harems
What a gay.
496fb2 No.15926007
>>15925200
>>15925223
i hate it when girls in anime porn wear used condoms. it's gross.
polite sage for off-topic
378e5c No.15926057
>>15926007
I hate that shit too. They have them wear a belt of 'em filled up like water balloons. Who the fuck gets off to that shit?
496fb2 No.15926279
>>15926057
>Who the fuck gets off to that shit?
People who like turbosluts or something
And probably jews
17d0af No.15926349
>P5R
Persona 5 Rouge maybe.
d2a3e5 No.15928050
I thought P-Studio might be in better hands after Hashino leaving.
But I guess I was wrong.
4c8009 No.15928104
>>15928050
>The various messages resonated with me
ABORT
3cc6a3 No.15928109
>>15928050
Didn't Yamai like Fallout 4? Atlus as a whole has been going downhill since 2013 anyway.
d2a3e5 No.15928142
>>15928109
>Didn't Yamai like Fallout 4?
Yup, in 2015. (This year, his favourite game was Golf Story).
>>15928114
>Itsuno said he really liked Ninja Theory's work on DmC
He also helped work on it, if I remember correctly.
6ccd8b No.15928197
>>15928114
I feel like has a lot to do with japs love for (((((((((white)))))))))) cock.
48d91c No.15928201
>>15928142
>He also helped work on it, if I remember correctly.
According to everything, he had nothing to do with it.
d2a3e5 No.15928377
>>15928201
I just did a little digging, and here's a quote I found:
"We learned so much from Ninja Theory and DmC. That was a collaboration between Capcom and Ninja Theory. I went to Cambridge once every couple of months to work those guys."
https://archive.fo/KAABO
Now to be fair, I don't know the extent of Itsuno's involvement with DmC. Maybe it was nothing but minor supervision, but at least he was there.
4039d5 No.15930317
Reminder to go play a True True Goddess Reincarnation game.
You personafags have no excuse not to play If… at least.
473fb1 No.15930401
>>15930317
>True Goddess Reincarnation
How is it that saying it in English makes you sound like more of a fucking weeb than just saying "Shin Megami Tensei?" Anyway, as someone who has played SMT games and enjoyed them, I can say with utmost confidence that Personafags have plenty of excuses not to play them, since they barely resemble each other anymore and they likely attract entirely different playerbases.
6bcca8 No.15930420
I had to do it.
I regret nothing.
7bd950 No.15931112
We know what P5S is now. Its an anime airing in March callled Persona 5: stars and ours
a20686 No.15931261
>>15915827
>7 out of 10 of these alternate hairstyle jacks up the appeal by 100%
I might be biased towards curly hair though YMMV
>>15922174
>>15922251
Lavenza's most distinguishing asset is her long flowing lock of hair, i mean holy shit i repeatedly re-enter the Velvet Room at the final level just so i could see her hair sway side-to-side when she goes inside the Velvet room with Joker. It's very much mesmerizing that i wished Lavenzea(the same could be said to other late game confidants such as Oda) appeared more often in the game I'll take Lavenza over the prison lolis anytime
>>15925161
Holy shit fucking this, the villains outside of Kamoshida, Sae, and Shido felt like some sort of a villain of the week type of shit. It doesn't help that said villains also had zero beef with the protagonist himself, greatly lessening the motivation of actually beating them.
>>15931112
There's another fucking anime made out of P5 ?
ba8cbf No.15931334
>>15931112
>>15931261
movie? also wasnt that anime horrible?
7bd950 No.15931441
Atlus just released a video about P5R. It doesnt explain jack shit but its there
7bd950 No.15931446
>>15931441
I the video does start with the PS logo so rip for the switch
f93fa4 No.15931705
>>15931261
The last anime never finished the game's story, it ends after what should be the bad end. After it aired they announced in Japan they were going to finish the story at a later date.
7bd950 No.15931861
>>15931705
That date being today
bc9e84 No.15931974
>>15931446
That means nothing. At the game awards the Mortal Kombat 11 trailer started with a PS logo but is confirmed to be multiplatform. Same with the Crash Team Racing remake so there's still a chance.
7bd950 No.15932012
>>15931974
So your telling me there's still a chance
702341 No.15932032
>Teaser trailer revealed
>Atlus still remains loyal to Soyny
What the fuck Atlus?
If you have any balls, you would drop Soyny for their censorship policies and move it to different platforms.
bc9e84 No.15932050
>>15932012
No shit that's literally what I just said
473fb1 No.15932053
>>15932032
I could have told you the rerelease would be on more than one system. It's very likely whatever R is, it will be on Switch as well. The March timeline lines up with predictions about a Nintendo Direct which will show off the Joker DLC more thoroughly.
7bd950 No.15932080
>>15932053
I thought the joker DLC drops in February, or was that march?
473fb1 No.15932095
>>15932080
February is Piranha Plant. We have no date for Joker, but most people guess late March to mid April.
378e5c No.15932300
>>15932032
They'd be fuckin' reamed if the expansion didn't also come out for PS4. Multiplat it and jump ship afterwards is probably the wiser move.
>>15932080
Well, Catherine FB comes out in February and that has playable Joker DLC.
e23b11 No.15932707
>Sony logo
>No PS4 logo
>Teasing March 2019
>The date the P is rumored to be unveiled
Yeah, this is going to be a PS5 re-release
I'm sure most cucklus fans here will buy a Soystation 5 just for it
6d5e36 No.15932711
>>15932707
Isn't it kinda early for a completely new console?
7b7af8 No.15932786
>>15932707
I heard people saying that Sony owns all marketing rights for Persona 5. So until they officially announce a new game their logo has to in every piece of media. This is probably bullshit by I saw a few people saying stuff like that.
473fb1 No.15932802
>>15932786
>>15932707
Again, anyone who thought the rerelease wouldn't be on a Sony console is retarded. There will very likely be a Switch version too, but they were never going to outright leave Sony behind.
7b7af8 No.15932806
>>15932802
That is trash though Sony will probably force them to censor all versions.
473fb1 No.15932813
>>15932806
There's not much to censor in the OG game, to be honest. And so far if games have also released on the Switch the Switch versions have been uncensored.
7b7af8 No.15932827
>>15932813
Yeah but this stuff has all been last-minute censorship. This is just the start why do you think Senran Kagura guy does not know how to make a new SK game for PlayStation.The rules for games going forward are going to get stricter and Sony is going to get more belligerent since people are using uncensored versions to point out their evil. Their is a section of the game where everyone is in bikinis something that Sony has already censored out of games.
378e5c No.15932837
>>15932813
>There's not much to censor in the OG game, to be honest.
That's really for them to decide and these dipshits tend to find the most innocuous shit objectionable. And then, you can bet the usual suspects would try Operation: Pozz Joker Take II, worm in to start bitching about localization and how Sony needs to be more heavy-handed on it and next thing you know, those assholes are gonna start proofreading scripts for approval. Some other time I'd say this conjecture was the product of a paranoid mind but looking at the way shit is going, it wouldn't surprise me. Blumpf Derangement Syndrome is a helluva drug.
70ab2f No.15932854
>persona 5 (R)oyale is free to play last-man-standing shooter where players start in the "Metaverse" with nothing and must fight to locate weapons.
d8a000 No.15932905
>>15920342 (You)
>>15930413
>Mr. Trump's election made me think "As I expected"
>It was an impressive event that represents the turning point of the world.
Why is this so fucking hype? It's like Simon tearing his way into SSB in terms of sheer "I don't believe this" factor. Ken Sugisaki's flaming manly soul fits doubly here.
702341 No.15932915
>>15932875
>That pic
Too lewd.
59635d No.15932920
>>15932905
The best part is he had absolute faith Trump was going to win.
70ab2f No.15933144
>>15930413
its not that he likes trump its more "stupid American white pigs elected stupid American white pig. "
i remember one thread about P5 people went in detail explaining how xenophobic Ann's character is. where she is half Japanese but has blonde hair and blue eyes.
in their eyes even a person that is only half Japanese is comely devoid of any Japanese characteristics. they aren't japanese.
it's something that is completely lost on most American players of the game. Ann talks about how shes alone in high school now because people see her as an outsider because she is a "foreigner" to them
59635d No.15933182
>>15933144
>its not that he likes trump its more "stupid American white pigs elected stupid American white pig. "
His comments don't really reflect what your trying to say period.
120221 No.15933216
I'm 99% sure this "P5R" is gonna be either some "enhanced rerelease" rehash, or another sprite fighting spinoff.
This doesn't even have my interest now, let alone 3 months from now. Let me know when Yamai releases some SMTV info and maybe I'll give a damn.
But I do feel bad for (((MysticDistance))) leaving Twitter because of this shit. Modern Persona fandom truly is cancer.
e23b11 No.15933239
>>15932711
It's been 5 years you fucking nigger
Fucking 7th Gen kiddie cancer like yourself stil don't understand that gen was an an anomaly
59635d No.15933291
>>15933216
Most modern fanfags are total cancer sources.
>>15933239
It lasting so long is a big factor for why games stagnated so hard.
e3fbb2 No.15933414
>>15933144
That's pretty odd to hear about ann's circumstance. I still don't get how she's xenophobic despite reading it.
e79f31 No.15933482
>>15926349
>P5R
>Persona 5 Rouge maybe.
It's definitely gotta be Rouge.
Remember, the Confidant cards are in French as well.
70ab2f No.15933727
>>15933414
she isn't, the people that made the character are
shes half Japanese but looks full German even all of the recessive traits
6d5e36 No.15933733
>>15933239
No need to get you panties in a bunch you fag, this gen just feels really recent yet that's all, maybe because they relaunched the consoles to add 4K support.
70ab2f No.15933790
>>15933733
its because they are taking too long to make games. on ps3 a new game that came out at the start of the gen would have been shipping part 3 right now. hell on the ps2 they would be making bloodborne kart racing right now with all 3 games done.
so far the ONLY AAA new IP that got a sequel was fucking knack 2 you can argue that the game isn't even AAA
i don't like it "next gen" will be even shittyer. get really for more "WE HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW AT E3" because it will take 5 - 6 years to make a fucking game longer than the fucking 5 year cycle, games will come out in parts like whats happening with FF7 remake
2736f2 No.15933852
>>15933291
>It lasting so long is a big factor for why games stagnated so hard.
I think the stagnation of gaming had more to do with rising development costs and the increase in both hardware and disk real estate. With games costing as much as they do it's harder to get big name developers to take risks because they need to recoop their millions dollar investments with guarenteed sales. 7th Gen was still expensive development relatively speaking, but it was in a sweet spot where we saw experimental titles coming out on new hardware and some standout franchises were started…only to get whored out later on.
If I had to blame any single thing though, it would be the push towards photo-realism in graphics.
a1969a No.15933965
>>15933852
>rising dev costs
If you include the inflating marketing budget that takes up 60% or more of the cost of making a game sure
fb2f50 No.15934048
>>15925161
>Changing hearts and social reform is japthink
What do you mean by this? Isn't social reform a big thing in the West?
e23b11 No.15934052
>>15933733
No, it's because there are no fucking good games on it.
And all the bad trends on 7th Gen are now the norm on 8th Gen, 9th Gen will double down even harder as they try to ape Mobileshit.
ba8cbf No.15934078
some technical things that bugging me about this game
am i crazy or is jap dub a few bits quiter than english? or is it that japs dont shout that much compared to english?
I play pirated on ps3
56628a No.15934386
9a14cd No.15934888
>>15932012
Pretty much I guess.
>>15932032
See >>15931974 & >>15932786
This means nothing in the end. Hell, it would be funny that P5R somehow got a Xbone port for some reason.
>>15932806
Doubt that because that new DOA extreme 3 game expansion has a Switch port and that port wasn't censored by Snoy or the SK Burst remake on PC still getting that petting mode.
56628a No.15934906
>>15934048
It's just not english. People would talk about changing the world, reaching the hearts and minds.
The game is full of poorly translated concepts (stealing hearts) that reflect the way japs think (too technical and materialistic, killing mystery).
56628a No.15934912
>>15933216
>Modern Persona fandom truly is cancer.
One day you'll have to come to terms with the fact that game series can start off shit and get better later. You're already a loser and an outcast: don't try to carve yourself a throne from this shit, pretending you're some hipster loser above others.
e23b11 No.15935010
>>15933852
>I think the stagnation of gaming had more to do with rising development costs and the increase in both hardware and disk real estate.
Except shit like UE4 and Unity exist, are used extensevely and even outside that most games reuse a ton of assets and the ones made from scratch are dpne by badly paid people.
The onky thimg that's risen has been marketing costs.
e23b11 No.15935017
>>15934912
>One day you'll have to come to terms with the fact that game series can start off shit and get better
That doesn't apply to SMT after 3 or Persona after 2.
New SMT fanbase is Bethesda Fallout tier cancer.
081ed7 No.15935110
>>15935010
>Except shit like UE4 and Unity exist,
>The onky thimg that's risen has been marketing
That's not true by any reasonable metrics. Game development excluding the costs of marketing is still on the increase because the complexity of the data that must be created for any new content has also increased. It's not just a 256x256 texture map from a decade ago, it's a 4096x4096 texture map with bump mapping, shading, etc. From the stuff I've read, even with these engines out the costs of game development either plateau at best, or still are increasing across the AAA industry.
So in addition to the 60%+ part of the budget that's marketing which increases every year, the costs of the actual development is still increasing in part because the complexity of the data being created is still increasing as well which demands more time and resources.
e3fbb2 No.15935161
>>15933727
I don't see how a half japanese character made by japs doesn't look japanese. I'm lost now.
b252a0 No.15935266
>>15935161
What they mean to say is:
>Ann is supposed to be only half Japanese.
>From the Japanese perspective, that makes her "not really Japanese at all"
>Therefore she's drawn as not looking at all Japanese
9a14cd No.15935489
>March 2019 comes
>Atlus reveals what Persona 5 R was all along
>It's Persona 5 Rumble: a fighting game in the same vein as Persona 4 Arena and it's co- developed by the Guilty Gear devs plus it's a multiplat game coming to Switch, Xbone, and PS4kids
>Atlus has one more announcement about P5S domain
>Persona 5 Switch: a Switch port of Persona 5
Is this the most likely outcome when March comes around?
473fb1 No.15935494
>>15935489
Persona 5 S has already been revealed. It's the continuation of the anime, which ended before Shido's palace. So it will likely be a one-cor to finish off the story.
9a14cd No.15935499
>>15935494
Oop, completely forgot about that piece of news. Than what about the two other domains of M and B then?
e79f31 No.15935508
>>15935489
>Persona 5 Rumnle
As long as it doesn't cut characters from 4U, I would be fine with this.
They dont even need to be in the story, just make them bonus characters, irrelevant to the story.
>Persona 5 Switch Port
Practically guaranteed to happen now that Joker is coming to Smash Bros.
378e5c No.15935589
>>15935489
FG project got put on hold because of Granblue VS.
>>15935494
So we know it's not necessarily game-related, just things done with the IP. Guess the others can be things like a cafe with P5 themed products, a stage play or even a freakin' musical and, while it's a stretch, it could also involve crossover things as they've already done plenty of that.
496fb2 No.15935608
>>15933482
is Sega gonna shoehorn in a Rouge the bat cameo into it?
473fb1 No.15935621
>>15935589
>a stage play or even a freakin' musical
Was there not one yet? I mean freaking Cold Steel has a musical. There's no way Persona 5 won't in that case.
e23b11 No.15935662
>>15935110
>It's not just a 256x256 texture map from a decade ago
Except at the time that cost as much as new high res ones to make and said hi res ones you can now get for free.
The risk was as high
This argument was never feasible, technology is more and more consumr friendly and readily avaiable and production costs are bloated not due to higher development costs but due to these companies being completely bloated with personel and lacking talent due to firing veteran talent to hire cheaper less talented staff and cutting back on content/features to make bigger margins due to lack of standards.
You're arguing that these companies that recycle assets and features constantly are seeing bigger development costs than before.
That's just fucking idiotic
ded45b No.15935712
>>15935266
A lot of the Japanese characters don't even look Japanese.
>Ryotaro Dojima: Looks like a western clothing model, only distinguishable as Japanese because of black hair
>Yukari Takeba: Naturally brown hair and lacks the rounded facial features common in Nips. Looks like your average white girl.
>Kanji Tatsumi: Nothing about his features indicate he's Japanese until he dyes his hair back to black
These are just the biggest examples. Plenty of them look Japanese but despite nothing to say that they dye they're hair, they have exotic hair colors. And nobody give me that "Well, they need diversity of colors in the cast" no they don't. The silhouettes of all the characters in the series are very distinct, you don't need crazy colors to tell who's who. Everyone who doesn't dye their hair could black hair and the series would be fine.
It's not just limited to hair either. The P3 protag has blue eyes and light brown and hazel eyes are present in a lot of party members. If they were trying to be accurate to what Japanese people looked like, most of them would have that dark brown color most Japanese do.
21c456 No.15935737
Persona 5 felt incomplete so it makes sense
>non-existent final dungeon
>no post-game content
473fb1 No.15935747
>>15935737
>no post-game content
But that's always been true. Even Persona 4 was just trying to trick you that the game was over. You still hadn't actually reached the end.
52344d No.15935750
>>15935737
the final dungeon was the boat and do you really need anything thing more then that? persona games dont have post game content, all they have is an optional boss vs the velvet room attendant
567d66 No.15936067
>>15934912
>One day you'll have to come to terms with the fact that game series can start off shit and get better later.
In Persona's case it's mostly the opposite. If you want to be in denial of this, that's on you.
081ed7 No.15936075
>>15935662
>You're arguing that these companies that recycle assets and features constantly are seeing bigger development costs than before.
>That's just fucking idiotic
You're arguing that across the board everyone benefits from not having to make their own resources and purely recycling old content to the point that development costs are not on the increase despite that not making any sense. If you want new assets which is a real thing, it will logically take more time to develop the more complex or larger data parameters than existed in the past. So if it took 10 working days to get a character model finished, the stuff I read cites it taking 30+ days.
So the cost of employing people to work those hours is going to go up since More time == more money. And while it's well known that wages in the gaming industry are fickle, that doesn't mean that cost doesn't factor into things here as well.
Show me proof that development costs scross the board are decreasing because of asset recycling. Pic related is from an article compiling information and excluding marketing costs. The price of gaming is still going up.
9a14cd No.15936108
>>15935589
>FG project got put on hold because of Granblue VS.
As long as that BTFO of all the naysayers that Persona 5 won't come to Switch, I'll take anything.
>>15935508
>Practically guaranteed to happen now that Joker is coming to Smash Bros
Hope so but I've seen some Snoygoys saying that it won't happen just because of the "leaker" who "leaked" the "info" that Persona 5 will come to the Switch/Person 5 Updated edition is a Switch exclusive turn out to be a fake leaker in the end.
>>15935589
<a stage play or even a freakin' musical
>tfw the domains of P5B and P5M would end up being Persona 5 Musical and Persona 5 Broadway
e23b11 No.15936128
>>15936075
List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
e23b11 No.15936136
52344d No.15936298
>>15936282
In this case Atlus and Nintendo have a better relationship then Kkonami and the wii would no way in hell be able to play MGS4 but the switch could easily handle Persona 5
567d66 No.15936316
>>15936287
Joke's on you, I never talk to anyone outside.
>>15936282
Yeah, that was quite a shocker. I thought the scene with MG REX doing an octuple backflip was a bit over the top, but other than that it was a really neat port.
9a14cd No.15936395
>>15936298
May I also add that Persona 5 was also on the PS3 and the Switch in portable mode is slightly/even more powerful than a PS3.
2736f2 No.15936607
>>15936136
I'm a bit confused as to what this list is supposed to adding to the discussion outside of showing some of the most expensive budgets recorded, and even then a good chunk of the list doesn't have a split between dev costs and marketing.
ba8cbf No.15938424
Seems internet is now arguing about possibility of gay romances in R.
473fb1 No.15938840
>>15938424
idiots are going to ask for that regardless every time a Persona game gets announced. I doubt they get added, though.
ded45b No.15939229
>>15936395
Switch is more powerful than the WiiU which is more powerful than the PS3, even in handheld mode. Before anyone brings up that Breasts of The Mild runs better on WiiU, that's because the Switch version is a rushed port of a game made for a different CPU architecture
If Persona 5 was ported to the Switch, you'd get 1080p in docked mode, no question. The only thing about the Switch version is that the PS3 version of the game is just over 16gb(PS4 is 18.6gb) so there's the question of how they'd handle that. If it's an expanded version of P5 then it's definitely going to be over 16gb. But will they make a mandatory online download for everything over 16gb like (((Rockstar))) did with LA Noire? Will they make people pay the (((Atlus Tax))) for 32gb carts?
>>15938424
It's never going to happen, they cut it from Persona 4, didn't put it back in for Golden and Persona 5 doesn't have it. If players want to fuck the dudes in Persona, they better hope for another FeMC. P-Studio's mind is clearly made up on the matter.
ba8cbf No.15939283
>>15939229
>>15938840
some mentioned that in p3 and earlier they had them
and the some guy trigger nuked the thread with mention of sjw
https://gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/835628-persona-5/77350655
473fb1 No.15939301
>>15939283
>some mentioned that in p3 and earlier they had them
If you count the P3P girl route, then yeah, there were sort of yuri options. Aigis wants to fuck the MC regardless of gender and even has some angst about being attracted to a girl and if you pick Elizabeth instead of Theodore she wants to fuck the FemC too, and you can if you pick the right option. Yukari and Mitsuru come off as gay for the FemC as well, but that's just because Atlus was lazy and didn't change their links much. There's no gay male stuff in P3-P5, though. P2 has implications with Jun and you can technically "choose" him but it means nothing in the end because Innocent Sin is eventually overwritten and Jun is the villain anyway. And since no one at Atlus seems to give a shit about anything before P3 anymore, I doubt that matters.
72997f No.15939308
>>15939229
>WiiU which is more powerful than the PS3.
WiiU is on par with 360 and ps3 not more powerful.
ded45b No.15939315
>>15939308
>Runs 360 and PS3 games at higher resolution and framerates.
>On par
Sure, kid
9a14cd No.15939369
>>15939229
>Before anyone brings up that Breasts of The Mild runs better on WiiU, that's because the Switch version is a rushed port of a game made for a different CPU architecture
At launch it BOTW on Switch didn't run that well but some months later Nintendo fixed the performance for BOTW on Switch
>The only thing about the Switch version is that the PS3 version of the game is just over 16gb(PS4 is 18.6gb) so there's the question of how they'd handle that
Since Nintendo and Atlus are close friends as of late maybe Nintendo can teach Atlus on how to correctly compress data to an extreme?
>Will they make people pay the (((Atlus Tax))) for 32gb carts?
Wouldn't an expanded version of P5 cost 60 burger coins in the first place if this version comes with all of the DLC from the PlayStation versions as well?
ded45b No.15939447
>>15939369
Maybe, but there's a pattern of games releasing for $40 on other platforms and then costing $50 on Switch. As well as there being a pattern for Atlus charging $50 for 3DS games when the normal is $40. So in the assumption that P5R wouldn't be a full $60, if it ended up on Switch, I don't trust Fatlus to not try and jew Switch owners.
a77bfb No.15939803
Post >yfw you are not a personafag that will get milked by Atlus
378e5c No.15939805
>>15939748
dik status: ELDRICHTIAN
I hope they redesign him to something more interesting as they did in P2 because Kaneko's design is just a Night Gaunt, not Nyarly.
473fb1 No.15939812
>>15939748
>>15939805
You guys know that's unofficial, right? I mean, it looks like a cool fan project and I hope it's good, just I don't you guys to run away with the wrong idea.
29de73 No.15939857
>>15939812
I know that. The last time they updated was like 4 years ago, right?
c94fc1 No.15939884
>>15939301
>it means nothing in the end because Innocent Sin is eventually overwritten
It's actually not, that floating island still exists and the Other Tatsuya returns to it at the end of EP.
<jun is the villain
That's not Philemon.
473fb1 No.15939902
>>15939884
Oh, you're one of those.
378e5c No.15939904
>>15939812
Guess I was too eager for the hype because I really want some Lovecraft stuff to make it to the pool of selectable Personas.
f0f459 No.15939947
>>15939902
He's not wrong though
>>15939748
>>15939805
Hopefully if Nyarlathotep does return he drives away the normalfags and bring a new renaissance of Persona games.
72997f No.15939961
>>15939315
>Runs 360 and PS3 games at higher resolution and framerates.
when? last time I ckeck ports to WiiU sucked Batman: Arkham City, Black Ops II, Ninja Gaiden 3, and Darksiders 2 all had performance issues on the WiiU. bayonetta 1 had basically the same performance as the x360 version with slightly less screen tearing (and less bloom lighting) are you sure you're not confusing switch and WiiU? (also, don't forget that nintendo never fixed the WiiU's limited/full range RGB setting)
74e45e No.15940518
>>15931446
>>15932032
Nintendo whored out Smash to Atlus and they couldn't even get a port out of it? The higher ups in Nintendo really are retarded.
473fb1 No.15940577
>>15940518
Read the thread you nigger.
74e45e No.15941757
>>15940577
I did, its a bunch of faggots saying their is going to be a Switch port when no switch port was announced.
cc51cf No.15941784
>>15939803
I only care about Persona Q2 because dungeon crawling.
496fb2 No.15941791
>>15939805
>I hope they redesign him to something more interesting as they did in P2 because Kaneko's design is just a Night Gaunt, not Nyarly
P2 design was also by Kaneko
59635d No.15941979
>>15939369
> BOTW on Switch didn't run that well but some months later Nintendo fixed the performance for BOTW on Switch
The issue I've always had with the Switch is that it really is under powered for some the high graphical fidelity games it's gotten or will get, they could have had the Switch have the same specs as the new Nivida shield and still have had it for the competitive pricing.
9a14cd No.15942284
>>15941757
All it was is some teaser announcement for a announcement with a vague confirmation for being on the PS4 or even the PS5 for all we know. Plus, the trailer showed the words "New Projects" so it could imply that there's more to Persona 5 R than being just a update version. Hell like I said early it could be a fighting game. We just have to play the waiting game now and time will tell if P5 comes to the Switch or not.
Sidenote: I remember seeing some news weeks ago that a "leaker" from 2chan gave info about some unannounced games one of them being Persona 5 on Switch and a Granblue Fantasy fighting game made by the Guilty Gear devs. Later Granblue Fantasy Versus was announced a few days later after the 2chan "leak".
>>15941979
Wasn't the Nivida Tegra X1 chip the only one available at the time when Nintendo was developing the Switch and the X2 came later in the Switch's development? Also IMHO, the Switch is competent enough to run SOME high graphical fidelity games as long as devs know how to code and compress data properly for the system.
bbe2bb No.15942297
Persona 5 Ruby and Persona 3 Sapphire
do it.
a7c3be No.15942314
378e5c No.15942379
>>15939947
I was going to say I'd doubt they'll ever drop the highschool setting because it's just too big a cashcow but P2 also had that setting. That said, I think Lovecraft mythos could work better with a young adult cast or even Raidou Kuzunoha if they ever want to bring him back.
>>15941791
Yeah he designed all those forms but I mean that if they bring him back as a Persona, he could use a redesign. If he's a player in the story, no doubt they'll redesign him and I admit I'd like to see Soejima's take on him.
74e45e No.15942600
>>15942284
Then why mention playstation at all in the teaser?
74e45e No.15942610
>>15942600
Since I forgot to write the rest of my post, I mean why only mention one console in the trailer if its coming to both. If Nintendo whore out Smash to them and they can't get them to admit to making games for Switch that is basically the same thing.
473fb1 No.15942628
>>15942600
>>15942610
Because that shit happens all the time. The first DMC V trailer only had an Xbox logo, even though it's multi-plat as well. There's no Swtich logo because they're waiting for the actual announcement.
59635d No.15942639
>>15942284
>Wasn't the Nivida Tegra X1 chip the only one available at the time when Nintendo was developing the Switch and the X2 came later in the Switch's development?
No they could have had the X2 very easily.
>as long as devs know how to code and compress data properly for the system.
Sadly we both know most devs can't do this shit anymore.
081ed7 No.15943799
>>15942379
> but P2 also had that setting
The difference was that P2 had a high school setting but never lingered on being an active high school student. Even P1 had this where it's a part of the character background and that's about it. The school is/was the first dungeon and after that you're hopping around the city and eventually reality.
Persona can have highschool settings without having to feel like an after school special, but the current framework for games makes that option virtually impossible because the games are drenched in glorifying the highschool life and not letting the cast move beyond that.
But I'd kill for another adult cast like in EP or at the very least some college aged people.
473fb1 No.15943959
>>15943799
>the games are drenched in glorifying the highschool life and not letting the cast move beyond that.
Persona 5 drastically de-emphasizes the school. Outside of the first arc very little action takes place there and is mostly an excise to get the initial characters to meet up. The daily life aspects are much more focused on Tokyo itself. Hell, half the waifus are adults living in Tokyo (even if one is your teacher). There are no non-party school confidants anymore either.
081ed7 No.15944125
>>15943959
>Persona 5 drastically de-emphasizes the school. Outside of the first arc very little action takes place there and is mostly an excise to get the initial characters to meet up.
You're right. I guess in my mind since P5 still hammers on the fact that you're a teen in the context of the "Youth vs Adults" theming it doesn't seem to have drifted too far away from high school in my mind. And it can't be discounted how your party members problems are still mostly centered around school obligations or responsibilities. I think only Anne and Haru are the exception but the latter has to be met on the rooftop anyways. Plus in my own autism I kept going back to the school whenever available to see what dialogue had changed with the various NPCs so it's not a location I stopped seeing despite it not being the central hub in the same sense as Persona 3.
>There are no non-party school confidants anymore either.
Does Mishima not count?
378e5c No.15944145
>>15943959
>Persona 5 drastically de-emphasizes the school.
Even if the story expands beyond the school, it's still very much present throughout the entire story - you take classes, have tests, school trips, culture festival etc.
On my end, my biggest qualm was how they squandered or poorly developed some of the themes namely the MC being a registered offender which died out after Kamoshida and the constant "shitty adults" crap because a lot of the confidants are adults themselves and have been thrust into similar situations, I think it would more well framed if it were about being abused by those in power as that resonates with people from all walks of life.
>>15944125
>Plus in my own autism I kept going back to the school whenever available to see what dialogue had changed with the various NPCs
Well, at least I wasn't the only doing that.
>Does Mishima not count?
I was gonna say Larry 2 but she doesn't count because she's from Yusuke's school, didn't even remember Mishima. He really is an NPC. Fuckin' Futaba called that shit way before it was popular.
52344d No.15944232
>>15944145
I think shity adults is something lost in translation. It basically means The Establishment or "The MAN" not just Adults in general
473fb1 No.15944401
>>15944145
>>15944125
Consider, though, how much less emphasized it is from P3 and P4. In P3 you had your idiot classmate, a sports club, a sports club manager, a culture club, student council discipline guy, student council treasurer, that fat food critic kid and that faggot making a kimono. That's eight fucking links tied to the school that aren't even party members or remotely tied to the plot. Hell, even SEES themselves were listed as a school club and tied officially to Gekkoukan. In P4 outside of party members you had two choices for sports club, two choices for culture club, your sports team manager and Saki's brother. While that seems drastically reduced, the amount of time you spend at the school and doing school events is increased. The trips, outings and festivals are much more involved and your characters feel much more tied to their school than even P3.
Sure, in P5 you have a few school events, but basically every one of them is depicted in such a way as to distance your characters from them. They're out of place there and don't belong. They're only there because they have to be and they usually hate it and spend the entire time talking about other things while actively ignoring and avoiding any other kids because no one likes them. The Hawaii trip and fall festival are almost parodies of their counterparts in P4. Almost every activity you devote time to is outside of the school. The school is more or less just some place you have to go and is a convenient plot excuse to introduce the characters originally. Even Mishima is different, since his links are all at night away from school and he's at least kind of in on the plot, even if it's mostly to make fun of him for being the unwanted tagalong.
081ed7 No.15944486
>>15944401
>Consider, though, how much less emphasized it is from P3 and P4
Again, I'm not disagreeing with you on this. P5 is very much less attached to the high school life than it's predecessors. However, it doesn't trade away high school with something that divorced from the idea of being a young student in japan. And I think that is my point of contention.
For personas 1/2 while characters can be students, and schools are present it's not that important to the overall story. The main plot point of Persona 1 is someone dying in a hospital and a reality warping machine. Persona 2 IS has a setup similar to IT, where a group of people who experienced a traumatic childhood event regain their awareness of it all and then you have the rumor mill affecting reality. And while you could argue that IS and P5 are similar because the school only constitutes a very early part of the story; like that other anon points out you still have mandatory school attendance and exams reminding you of your status. Not only that but Your homeroom teacher is a confidant as well and she makes it abundantly clear you're still a student. Really, Takemaki and Yoshida do the same as well but it's equal parts "You're a student/You're a young person".
Persona 5 is still about high school life, but I'd agree it's more about students who are disillusioned with organizations including education and the nightlife of a younger age group. However they haven't go whole hog and cut out the daily life simulator being a student.
473fb1 No.15944598
>>15944486
>cut out the daily life simulator
Anon if that's what you're holding your breath for you're going o die of asphyxiation They are never going to drop the calendar and .s-links now. It's just gotten too big. It's possible they will do variations that emphasize school less and less or even have you be someone other than a high school student, but it's always going to have social sim elements now. There's simply no way around it.
2736f2 No.15944893
>>15944598
>Anon if that's what you're holding your breath for you're going o die of asphyxiation
I'm not. But the social sim aspects are tied to the school environment. They could try and apply that structure to other walks of life but it's going to get to the point where it's just calendars for the sake of calendars. Not something I doubt a company would do, but I don't think any paradigm for atlus has lasted forever.
>They are never going to drop the calendar and .s-links now
Social links yes as it's just a more explicit sub quest mechanic. I do feel like the calendar is maybe a game or two away from getting dropped from Persona. It's too rigid a structure for these stories and I felt like this title more than the previous two skipped time more frequently and for longer times. There's a lot of freedom in a game whose story "moves at the speed of plot" as was in previous persona games and the rest of the MT franchise. I guess it depends on what breaks first; Gamer's willing to buy a watered down dating sim, or Atlus' interest in retreading the same waters for the shekels.
59635d No.15944932
>>15943959
It makes me wonder if for 6 they'll skip over the high school setting for a college one just to change dynamics.
ba8cbf No.15946133
c4fb1a No.15949262
how did the carpal tunnel samurai max every relationship but yusuke's on his first and only playthrough without using a guide? Is he lying?
c4fb1a No.15949266
>>15944932
probably not because that's a pretty dramatic change in atmosphere
the only part of the series where that would even feel close to natural would have been after 2, and that ship has sailed
473fb1 No.15949293
>>15949262
It's fucking easy to max all confidants even without a guide. All you need to know is to prioritize Kawakami and Chihaya. Kawakami gives you your post palace and mementos nights back as well as giving you a few extra periods to raise stats and Chihaya will ensure you never get another "your relationship will become stronger soon" time waster. The game gives you loads of time as long as you don't do stupid shit.
ded45b No.15949348
>>15944486
I think Persona 5 avoids having school social links very intentionally. You're supposed to be the "bad kids" so it makes sense you're making friends outside of school because no one inside of school wants to talk to you.
>Joker: Has criminal assault on his record and rumors quickly spread that he's a drug fiend and is only the shy, quiet type as an act
>Ann: Is rumored to be a slut because of xenophobic nips who see a white girl with big(ish) tits and assume that because she's beautiful and white she must use that to her advantage.
>Ryuji: Got into a physical confrontation with a teacher and the blame for the track team being disbanded was pinned on him
The school in P5 is a prison. Even down to your early game objectives. "Live an honest student life" and all that. You're only at that school because the principal thought it'd be good for the school's reputation if they could reform a delinquent student.
>>15944932
They've stated very specifically in multiple interviews that Persona "is a series about high school students" if college became an element of the series, it'd be a one-off spin-off at best.
>>15949262
Because all the social links but Yusuke's are easy. I know Yusuke is supposed to be an artist but figuring out which answers will give you social link points with him is an uphill battle. Seems like nothing you say will make him happy.
52344d No.15950023
>>15949348
>nothing you say will make him happy
Like a true artist
ba8cbf No.15950206
>>15949293
>>15949262
>>15950023
im idiot and mostly pick the wrong choices but to reload is wasting a lot of time
also ryuji insant kill lvl7 confidant is something I will skip for sure
378e5c No.15950629
>>15949348
>The school in P5 is a prison
It's even less subtle in Japanese, the school's name - Shujin - sounds very close to their word for prisoner, that the twins constantly use when addressing the MC.
>Seems like nothing you say will make him happy.
Just pick the most ass-kissey ones.
77c94a No.15950658
Who cares? We are years away from Persona 6.
(Although I guess somebody buys those Persona spin offs).
77c94a No.15950674
>>15946133
Sega is very hands of with Atlus.
I mean Atlus is making money so why upset a golden goose? If P5 had flopped then a PC port would have been likely just to recoup costs. But it didn't. Besides a PC port is only something Western gamers want. I literally expect a mobile port before PC.
41e591 No.15950765
>>15950674
Catherine is getting a PC port
378e5c No.15950788
>>15950765
I was going to say that's kinda weird but with Full Body around the corner, they might be testing the grounds to see if that's worth porting. Given the shit they've been getting from Soyny, it would be strange if they weren't trying to branch out.
473fb1 No.15951007
>>15950206
>also ryuji insant kill lvl7 confidant is something I will skip for sure
That's actually very nice on NG+. But there should be an option to turn it off when you don't want it.
>>15950658
The rerelase is probably dropping soon, and historically those add quite a bit of content.
ded45b No.15951047
>>15950788
I hate that this is how game companies handle ports these days. It's always these ports of sideshow games with not even a public statement, but a mere implication that "Hey, buy this shit no one wants if you want the games you care about on your platform."
Rockstar did that with putting LA Noire on the Switch and now it's probably what Fatlus is doing with Catherine on PC.
>"Want Persona and SMT on PC? Buy this glorified tech demo, goy!"
74e45e No.15951049
>>15942628
So you have no proof that there is a Switch port. Just face it, Nintendo went full retarded and Atlus took them for a ride.
473fb1 No.15951108
>>15951049
>Nintendo went full retarded and Atlus took them for a ride.
That doesn't even make fucking sense, anon. Even if Joker being in Smash has nothing to do with any cross promotion (which is a pretty big leap considering his only other connection to Nintendo is a spinoff on a dying system), Nintendo would already know that. It's not like Atlus went "Huhu, put Joker in Smash and maybe we'll give you P5." If there was a question of cross promotion at all it would have been handled long ago.
081ed7 No.15951253
>>15949348
>They've stated very specifically in multiple interviews that Persona "is a series about high school students"
I hope you see how that those statements supports the idea that the series is still about high school life. Even if the context of this game is "school is a prison, break free" it cannot escape the framing of the scenario being about a bunch of teenagers in school. It does push further away than P3 established I'll admit, but like I said it's still not on the same level as Personas 1 or 2 where "highschooler" was far less integrated into the story since the problems and obstacles of the cast weren't tied to school in the same way both as a story and in terms of mechanics.
And that's the thing that's bothered me now that I'm thinking of it. P5 doesn't have to be about highschoolers to even function. >Yusuke is an artist whose mentor and benefactor was stealing from him, he could be any age.
>Anne is a model that her peers resent for her natural beauty and exotic charm, again she could be any age and it would still work.
>Futaba is a social introvert trying to just get back to socializing and recooping some old acquaintances, rinse and repeat
>I didn't finish Haru's Confidant but she's a heiress dealing with internal politics and an arranged marriage
>Ryuji and Makoto are arguably the only party members whose Confidant stories are still tied to school and even then for Makoto it's also about her getting that stick pulled out of her ass just enough to let you get yours in.
>Ryuji is about an athlete who fucked his teams prospects over and is atoning for that while dealing with some other corrupt coaches.
>Even the boy detective could have just been some rookie or unaffiliated person who just hated his shitty dad
Obviously they all still need to be young because the story is about the youths overturning a corrupt system set up by adults but man, even that wasn't an interesting story that gets chucked into the bin for Yaldabaoth.
If current Persona will never again leave secondary education both as a theme and as a character backstory that's a shame.
ba8cbf No.15951282
ad those journos crying. are the few progressive jibs and themes in this game not enough for them? they want everything and nao?
378e5c No.15951643
>>15951047
Each side has its share of bullshit but the guilt-trip shakedown is definitely Japan's signature move. Capcom alone took it to ridiculous degrees but they all do this shit.
74e45e No.15952007
>>15951108
My point is that Nintendo whored out Smash without getting anything in return.
473fb1 No.15952064
>>15952007
Based on a logo that was always going to be there for one of several Persona domains just recently registered? You seem to be reaching more than me.
74e45e No.15952302
>>15952064
>no you
OK sure, enjoy playing Yakuza on Xbone.
473fb1 No.15952328
>>15952303
If you follow his posts you can see he's probably not worth responding to. I'm pretty sure he's baiting.
ded45b No.15953295
>>15952324
The thing is, I actually got to spend some time last year with a Japanese exchange student. My friend and his family host exchange students all the time. The year prior they were hosting a German student. He confirmed that the absolute shit state of the Japanese student body is true. He confirmed that girl/girl bullying to the point of driving to suicide happened multiple times at his school. Outside of his few friends, the majority of the boys were huge snobs about whatever they were good at. Students who got top test scores would use the publicly posted test scores to bully others and call them retards. Athletes would constantly "accidentally" hit pedestrians with balls or run into them at top speed.
Granted this was only his school he was talking about, but man, it paints a very sad picture for the future. That picture being of very petty, self-centered and self-indulgent students who'll step on anyone to get what they want.
With that in mind, Persona 5 seems to perfectly represent the dismal state of Japanese students. They spread wild rumors and they're all always huddled up and gossiping among themselves. They're truly despicable shitheads and it kind of made it hard for me to care about the volleyball team being abused. Because these are the same assholes saying that you're a violent sociopath who does drugs in the school bathroom. Fuck em, they all deserve a volleyball spike to the face.
378e5c No.15953440
>>15953295
So Kamoshida did nothing wrong?
Anyway, that sorta crap just reinforces my idea of Japan - love the shit they make but I don't think I'd want to live there. Hell! I don't think I'd even want to visit.
But if you don't mind my prying, from what area was the student in question from? Tokyo?
ded45b No.15953514
>>15953440
The reason why I don't want to live in Japan is because to work you have to live in the city. Where rent prices are fucking absurd. We're talking a lot of places charge close to $2000 USD a month for a glorified closet that they have the nerve to call a "studio apartment". The exchange student lives in Nagano, but is currently in a boarding school in Tokyo where these stories came from.
abb753 No.15953533
>>15953514
>Tokyo
That'd be looking at Jew York and painting all of 'murrica with the same brush, I'd have to imagine it's at least slightly better outside their most multiculti, soulless, materialist, kiked up shithole shithole.
378e5c No.15953576
>>15953514
No chance to make it in a rural area or a different urban area?
I'll admit that part of me romanticizes Osaka because it's the second city and the people are famed for being blunt which is something I can relate with.
>>15953533
Speaking of which and a bit of a odd note but recently I caught a bit of that Tom Cruise's weeb flick and for some reason I started wondering if the US forcing Japan to spread its legs didn't have some longnoses stirring shit up. Guess I've been around for too long, "are the jews behind this?" is starting to become the first question for everything. Fuckin' hell.
>>15953546
>You will NEVER want to visit Japan after playing this game.
Yeah, that black guy was a real eye-opener.
Jokes aside, black barkers are apparently very common over there. Yakuza games also have a lot of them.
2736f2 No.15954262
>>15952324
The thing that gets me is that even if you get your character into the top percentile of students during exams, or show up at the library constantly to do your reading or just generally answer questions correctly in class I don't think people ever stop saying "Wow I guess the CRIMINAL isn't brandead afterall" or "Why does he want to be here?". I think the game just wants you to study at Leblanc or the family diner anyways but you'd thing the game would make me warm up to or care for the general public because I'm supposed to be saving them in the end.
ba8cbf No.15954358
>>15953440
>Hell! I don't think I'd even want to visit.
I feel same. Japan lost its charm for me after reading too much into it real picture
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56bwzc
bab0b2 No.15954503
>>15915827
>New waifu
Why would you want a new one when best girls already in it?
59635d No.15954519
What's with all the blackpills?
59635d No.15954634
>>15954628
>Calls people redditors
>Using reddit spacing
a5ffc2 No.15954688
>>15954634
>memespacing
I still see half of the discussion. What was the black pill that can't be uttered? Japan =/= Magical Animeland?
cb7fc3 No.15954689
>>15954503
More girls to cheat on, I guess
387bb7 No.15954694
>>15954262
I absolutely love how relentless the game is at making everyone you meet a fucking big scumbag asshole dick
I mean to be fair the students and teachers were kinda cunts in the previous Persona games too but that was all mostly in the background
Here the school's defining trait is how shitty its student body and its teachers are
837970 No.15954726
>>15953440
There are very few countries that are better than the one I live in now. Sure the Netherlands has never made a piece of entertainment worth a damn but at least people are free.
c04d1e No.15954839
>>15954519
>no bad thoughts no bad thoughts everything is fine everybody who points out something bad is blackpiller or a shill
473fb1 No.15955182
>>15954689
>>15954503
If P5R really wanted to make me happy it would make a true harem route possible with maxed social stats and correct dialogue options.
378e5c No.15955327
>>15954503
>best girls already in it
Yeah but you can't bone her. Well, you can sorta gangbang her but that's not romantic.
>>15954726
We'll never be truly free until the EU's dead and buried in a ditch. But I get ya.
473fb1 No.15955341
>>15955327
Maybe they'll restore the cut content in the rerelease.
52344d No.15955348
>>15954503
She's best woman
5779bd No.15955395
>>15955341
>they record lines for a character to be either a party member or have a full route of her own
>construct the entire plot to make this impossible to implement
I can't begin to understand why Atlus always does this
52344d No.15955406
>>15955395
to all the people asking for her as a social link or a party member is basically impossible. its a shame one of the best characters get completely shut down like that
378e5c No.15955420
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>>15955341
He was gonna live with them but Joker got cockblocked by the writers.
5779bd No.15955445
>>15936067
>2016
>it is now 2019
>tfw you think P5 just came out not too long ago but it's actually been almost two and a half years
>what have I been doing with my life
5779bd No.15955458
>>15955420
>to live in the same house as the prosecutor (detective character) who is chasing after you
>all of the subtle play between those two characters
<Nah let's put him in an old cuck's attic
I can physically feel myself seething with anger
I always heard this was the case but seeing they had modeled and set it up already just sickens me. Old Atlus would have done it. NuAtlus needed a scooby gang cartoon cat car and an old cuck with a bangable Nanako.
I remember now why I sold this pieceof garbage game.
473fb1 No.15955495
>>15955406
Myself and other anons already suggested how it would be possible earlier in the thread and it could completely work.
>Add more scenes earlier on where you meet her
>Add some extra dialogue during interrogations
>Don't skip ranks during her interrogation link level ups
>Have her replace Goro when he's exposed
>Give her 2-3 optional link levels for the end of the game
She wouldn't be much different from Haru at that rate.
>>15955458
I like Sojiro, though…
378e5c No.15955591
>>15955458
Copy-pasting from a interview:
"According to Hashino, the main character was living in the home of a woman prosecutor who was actually chasing him [as a Phantom Thief]. She would have the image of being angry with the calling cards, showing them to the protagonist. He thought that this setting would look too much like a cheesy drama."
Dunno but now that I think about it, bringing over your bitch sounds pretty boss. Sae's doing work and Makoto's trying to study and neither can't get anything done 'cause the chick you're banging can't keep it down. Afterwards, Sae's gonna give you lecture about how you have to be a drone productive member of society then Kawakami walks out and MC's all "I'm working on my grades."
>>15955495
I recall discussing this in the last P5 thread we had last week or something. My modest two cents, I'd like for there to be a real dilemma on saving Akechi - if you help him, Sae quits the PTs because he's a fuckin' asshole. Also if you help him, he'll double down and side with Jaldabaoth and then get rightfully lectured by Sae "Told you dipshits he couldn't be trusted."
But just having ranks 6 to 10 would be super easy because there's so many scenes that actually justify those moments like smuggling Joker out of the interrogation room but the link is already maxed by then.
ba8cbf No.15955611
well fuck me im getting spoilered the fuck out. here. big mistake because thread is otherwise nice.
52344d No.15955620
>>15955591
I was thinking maybe staying with Sae would be cool but then that would mean no Kawakami… I prefer staing with Sojiro then
378e5c No.15956428
>>15955611
The Shibuya areas and other landmarks are obvious even to people who don't know much about Japan but it's interesting to see even Yongen-Jaya is a reference. A quick google tells me the real place is called Sangen-Jaya and my tourist-level knowledge of Japanese tells me there's a number pun there (San = 3 ; Yon = 4) but I could be wrong.
>>15955620
>not doing Kawakami in Sae's bed for Guts and Proficiency points
It's like you don't want to grow as a person, familia.
ded45b No.15956738
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>>15954519
>Pointing out that Japan isn't a perfect utopia like weebs want it to be is a blackpill
That's not how blackpills work. Japan is still a fine country, but there's a big disconnect between the adults and youth of the country that paints a bleak picture for it's future.
>>15955420
Persona games always get fucked over in pre-production. Persona 3 was originally not gonna have the weird chibi models and stay to the isometric perspective for battles. Vid related is on the FES edition disc. Presumably because FES was originally gonna have production documents that you could view. I hate the chibi models and it's why I'd prefer them to remake the PS2 games instead of just remaster them. Although I'd prefer they remake Persona 2 first because fuck the PS1 version of EP.
473fb1 No.15956789
>>15954519
Anon, anime is superior to real life. This has always been known. People don't like Japan because they actually want to live there. People like it because right now they're producing the best non-pozzed escapist content.
5779bd No.15957605
>>15955591
>He thought that this setting would look too much like a cheesy drama.
But a cuck pining after a woman who barely noticed him and tending to her traumatized NEET daughter…isn't?
He tossed out a great cat-and-mouse dynamic in favor of the curry coffee cuck and the abandoned attic because he was afraid of "cheesy drama". So instead of, you know, writing a good story with that setting he just changed it for the blander because it's easier. It was easier to implement the social dynamic aspects, that's why. Not drama. Laziness.
Besides, "cheesy drama"?
THAT IS THE ENTIRE GIMMICK OF THE GAME
HASHINO YOU FAGGOT
That is literally every single Confidant/Social Link in EVERY Persona after 3!
LAZY BITCH
5779bd No.15957613
>>15955495
>I like Sojiro
I liked him when I thought he was an older Mac Daddy, not some pathetic bootleg funhouse mirror Dojima
e79f31 No.15957643
>>15955182
>>15954689
I would prefer just having more interactions between existing characters.
Like seeing Sokiro's reaction to Kawakami coming in was pretty funny, but I also wanted to see shit like Ann, Ryuji, Haru, and Makoto's reactions that you are banging one of their teachers.
Sae would still be nice though.
378e5c No.15959459
>>15956789
Most of the entertainment I enjoy is made there, I love the food, I find their feudal history fascinating and there's my filthy yellow fever but I think it's better to stay as a long-distance admiration. The country has its own flavor of fucked up shit.
>>15957643
This game spawned a lot of good shit. Between that and all the faggots getting ass blasted over the game, the generals were pretty amusing.
4d8609 No.15963096
>>15956428
Isn't 4 in Japanese either Shi or Roku
378e5c No.15963989
>>15963096
Shi is four but shi can also be translated as death so they have a alternate spelling for it. It's a superstition thing that, incidentally, the Chinese also have.
Roku is six, a good example would be Kanji's ultimate Persona - Rokuten Maou - which translates to Demon King of the Sixth Heaven. A title used by Oda Nobunaga.
ded45b No.15964266
>>15963989
Why are genderbent Persona characters the best?
54ad31 No.15970763
I have the PS2 version of P4 to be emulated whenever I finish 3 FES. Are the additions in P4 Golden significant enough to justify hunting a ROM file and setting up a PSP emulator?
>>15915734
I might dust off my Bloodstation soon.
98591c No.15970862
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>>15970763
Golden has some nice general changes, a different English VA for Chie, and a bonus dungeon. However the latter is tied to a new waifu many regard as trash. Whether that's enough to justify setting everything up for Golden I don't know.
473fb1 No.15971042
>>15970763
The Golden has like 15-20 hours of new content and I think it's very much worth it. It's even worth putting up with Marie for the new month, dungeon and epilogue doing her link opens.
54ad31 No.15971131
>>15971042
>>15970862
If I can find a vita emulator before I finish 3 then I'll play Golden.
I found a site claiming to have one, but the UI and Ingrish raise red flags.
I'm also going to try to fuck Mitsuru before I finish 3.
ded45b No.15972804
>>15971131
There is no good Vita emulator out there at the moment. The only one that's real and works can only play extremely low end games like Thomas Was Alone.