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File: 73af12e2c879817⋯.png (229.64 KB, 400x745, 80:149, 73af12e2c879817b4c2fae5b4d….png)

bef475  No.15906081

>unhealthy obsession with deathclaws/molerats

>shipping

>tumblr style "art" everywhere

>shit fanfics

>batshit insane headcanons

>ask blogs pretending to be a character from the game

>lgbtwtfbbqwerty *original* characters integrated in the universe

>proudly flaunting "i are a genderflood/trans gaymurr and i wub fawwout!"

>whale tier amount of todd's chinese children labor merchandise that they own

Sounds like a typical fanbase right? No, it's far worse. Otherwise I wouldn't be making this thread. I am *trying* to think like a tumblrina, but I cannot wrap my head around it. Fallout 4 is one of the most bland FPSes in the past decade. What exactly about it appeals to tumblrinas? They might as well be obsessed with the CoD universe. The fanbase is truly one of the absolute worst.

Unfortunately they are just as obsessed with NV.

e072d4  No.15906096

They say Sjw types do not play games, but they do - "Games" like Skyrim and Fallout, because they are so incredibly simplistic that even these retards can understand them. Also if course the ability to install fetish mods, since retarded fetishism is the driving force behind Tumblr.


0a1e1b  No.15906100

Deathclaws are pretty hot though.

Please ignore: female deathclaws, SFM porn, etc


c1e9f9  No.15906111

File: acda91a26abffca⋯.jpeg (20.34 KB, 960x960, 1:1, received_2089134271171357.jpeg)

>>15906081

Honestly at this point I'm pretty sure cod in space had a better story than fallout 4.


04f62a  No.15906124

>>15906100

Not when dumblr draws them.


da9d10  No.15906136

>>15906081

Tumblr is no longer relevant since they banned porn.


bdf839  No.15906144

File: a434f78e18e3449⋯.jpg (669.89 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Preston_Garvey.jpg)

Well, tumblr is able to like Fallout 4. Making them potentially capable of liking every game in the series + future installments.


bfefa5  No.15906148

Who cares? Why would you care about what subhumans and the brainwashed lemmings like?


1e7489  No.15906163

File: bf4846719e769f2⋯.jpg (160.31 KB, 891x596, 891:596, 349768904645.jpg)

>>15906148

Because they shape the world around you, whether you like it or not.


4179c0  No.15906179

>>15906081

Who gives a shit? Bethesda ruined fall out and there is no saving the franchise at this point. Better the tumblr faggots fuck up something that is already destroyed than something thats actually good.


c55b94  No.15906195

nigger only faggots and pussies don't want to fuck deathclaws.


49ddd8  No.15906218

Probably Fallout: Equestria combining their innate love of mary sue OC, fur/monsterfaggotry, fanfics, reading garbage, and bandwagoning into a marketer's dream of paying customers that want nothing more than a trinket to extrapolate their own fanfics on.


81529d  No.15906224

God bless the fact that they're console plebs and don't touch New Vegas since that game is terrible on consoles.


bdf839  No.15906230

File: 812ed5426ad9157⋯.png (151.63 KB, 900x900, 1:1, Littlepip.png)

>>15906218

Nonbronies are always amazed at how autistically long that fanfic is.


ba57c1  No.15906237

Escapism. Literally just escapism.

Anything that lets them fantasize about being their "wild" "selves" is popular. Because they know they don't really fit into society, so they want a version of society that they can just do whatever.


87a7a1  No.15906260

File: a09a1646472bc9a⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1231x1920, 1231:1920, 1436645688494.png)

>>15906230

> longer then the fucking bible


ba57c1  No.15906287

File: 1e9837855cd2b76⋯.jpg (860.56 KB, 1721x2160, 1721:2160, 1e9837855cd2b76c0cda35f6a2….jpg)

>>15906230

>>15906260

Why do you faggots still exist?


eb238b  No.15906289

The fallout 4 story, characters, and 'lore' cater to tumblr. It plays like a shitty fanfic and is being progressive in places. Cait's story is: my parents never cared and sold me to slaves as soon as I turned 18. There's another voice log/note in a location that talks about a romeo and juliet style relationship where the parents don't approve of a girls boyfriend etc. The concept of you gotta be an adult and have legal responsibility when you turn 18 wouldn't exist in the fallout world, but it's there now. It'd be like growing up on catachan with kids being killed right and left so you gotta make tons, who cares if your daughter won't listen and gets eaten by mirelurks for sneaking out why care that she has a boyfriend anyways? She'll get on with life. Death is apart of the very hostile fallout world.

Then there's all the rape position prewar skeletons for rape culture confirmation. But you never hear horrifying stories about what people and raiders will do when faced with extinction to explore human behavior and survival instinct. They take current year+3 problems and say it's bad. It's all just a happy theme park. Which is also a dlc.


c55b94  No.15906299

>>15906287

You mean bronies? Pretty sure the show is still going, even after the 9 years it's been


ba57c1  No.15906308

File: 95310d689ae71c4⋯.jpg (48.59 KB, 478x304, 239:152, COOT.jpg)

>>15906299

Fucking really?


b3fe6f  No.15906312

>>15906111

COD in space had unironically the best campaign since the first Modern Warfare. There was zero-g fps combat and spaceship dogfighting both in and out of atmosphere. That shit was awesome but the kiddies hated it because it wasn't RAMIREZ OPEN THAT DOOR ad nauseum.


82cc28  No.15906352

File: 761e5bedc998bca⋯.jpg (72.72 KB, 640x480, 4:3, gta_sa 2010-08-08 16-50-27….jpg)

OP how do you know this shit? You better explain yourself


48bf22  No.15906359

File: 464fa81f366de3c⋯.png (792.69 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 1536016650993.png)

>>15906352

I can speak for OP-kun, anonymous-san. Dare you take the challenge?

http://www.tumblr.com/search/fallout/recent

And if you want to torture yourself to see even more sjws obsessing over a now shit series, you will have to make a dumblr account.


476b67  No.15906366

I'm glad Fallout 1 and 2 will largely stay safe from these freaks.

Its kind of funny how when a series radically changes the older games are usually protected from the cancerous part of the fanbase that influxes in; Fallout really changed crazily between 2 and 3/NV.

(The casual Nu-Persona fags for example who came in after 3 and onwards vs the old school SMT/old Persona crowd)


c77dce  No.15906369

Man I wonder how they are going to react when they find out what the Brotherhood of Steel thinks of faggots in New Vegas


48bf22  No.15906383

>>15906366

True. I've seen some very rabid tumblrina fans of Fallout and they always ignore the first three games (1, 2 and BoS). They love NV and 4 the most. 3 Surprisingly isn't as popular for some reason


5422a5  No.15906386

>>15906381

> the first three games (1, 2 and BoS).

I hope you mean Tactics.


796c0a  No.15906400

Why do you care what Tumblr likes so much? Play a game or STFU about leg beards groaning to creatures that look like them.


796c0a  No.15906404

>>15906366

There are no old fag SMT fans around any more. Same way there's no old school /m/ types around. We all left because we got sick of dealing with the nu kiddos. The industries shit on their old fanbase so the fanbase just moved on.


660c82  No.15906413

>>15906081

>tumblr is obsessed with fallout

And /v/ isn't?


ff7b07  No.15906416

>>15906096

I thought they want to live in the fantasy because it is anarchistic.


3dfa12  No.15906420

>reduce TES and Fallout to the depth and complexity of a Pixar movie

>wonder why tumblr now loves TES and Fallout along with Pixar movies


bdf839  No.15906427

>>15906366

That's only because the gameplay of old crpgs (Fallout 1 & 2) or first person dungeon crawlers (Persona 1, SMT1, SMT2) is an acquired niche taste.

Things like Fallout 3 (which controls like an fps game) or Persona 3 (which controls like a 3D Final Fantasy) have a more mainstream type of gameplay that broader audiences can enjoy.


dc1a8e  No.15906445

Does anyone still use tumblr? I thought it would die after porn ban


b17b65  No.15906451

File: 8308fb96138b955⋯.jpg (91.75 KB, 1410x985, 282:197, 0f74540223d3db6dd490f2f90e….jpg)

>>15906299

>9 years


0cbb90  No.15906465

>>15906287

Because after a couple years it became a daily and integral part of my life, and I literally can't imagine not being part of it regardless of whether or not I hate most people in it and that the show has been completely shit on and subverted


796c0a  No.15906496

>>15906465

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/interview-daughter-of-famed-sci-fi-author-explains-mothers-gay-pedophile-wo

Read that article and you will understand why you can't move on. You're a broken person clinging to anything possible as a home.


7ce4d3  No.15906518

>>15906081

Because black comedic apocalyptic dystopia somehow got morphed into wacky steampunk shootbang, t-thanks bethesda


0cbb90  No.15906640

>>15906496

No not really, and that article is completely irrelevant unless you're trying to call me a pedo


796c0a  No.15906649

>>15906640

>Broken people are drawn to these communities because they lack real communities. They tolerate almost anything because they have nothing else.

Not relevant at all to bronies. Except for all the bronies I've spoke to agree it's the community they want not the show.


ef21f6  No.15906663

File: 2e123df94a852bb⋯.jpg (254.88 KB, 1680x1050, 8:5, oblivion.jpg)

>>15906081

Why is /v/ so obsessed with shit vegas?


9cbf0f  No.15906665

File: bf949f8a66e0ed1⋯.jpg (19.87 KB, 426x426, 1:1, jack.jpg)

>>15906081

Was the intent of that image to make somebody who looks exactly like Jack Stauber?

Because that guy is just about the only hipster on the planet I like.


0cbb90  No.15906666

>>15906649

What would be a 'real community' then? You're trying to assert that I'm some broken retard that has no purpose. I'm not, and neither are the few others I hang around. I could be considered part of my local CB community, or the /k/ community.


b66365  No.15906668

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15906081

Fallout is just popular, Tumblr do that with a lot of popular games. /r/gaming are the ones with the obsession with Fallout, but even then they're more obsessed with Skyrim.

>>15906465

>tfw can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

I seriously hope a show about horses isn't this important to you, anon.

>>15906665

Jack is the only acceptable hipster because his videos are fantastic.


0cbb90  No.15906673

>>15906668

Regardless of what it is, try being invested in something for 7 years, spending multiple hours literally every day interacting with it, and then say that again


e5b6eb  No.15906683

bizarre since loverslab does all kinds of things in Bethesdas games that are objectionable to the tumblr crowd


234dcc  No.15906750

>>15906352

>that Argentina flag in the back

Subtle reminder.


a993c7  No.15906859

>>15906111

Infinite Warfare was pretty good. The multiplayer was shit because it was the same awful hero shooter gimmick from Black Ops 3.

I wish IW wasn't a CoD game. The setting was really interesting, they did Destiny better than Bungie.


c8637b  No.15906863

>>15906081

Tumblr tends to be attracted to any western RPG


0dfb48  No.15906905

>>15906081

>why is a community based on the internet full of weirdos?


9de615  No.15906920

>>15906081

mods that permit deviance


0f3279  No.15906926

the modding scene is full of degenerates. they can have their fantasies come to life in a 3d world


523742  No.15906929

Because ToddPGs are considered the "high IQ" roleplaying games in the normalfag community. Every time you'll see someone saying how they don't play trash like Fifa or COD, but they're an intellectual who has played every Todd game after Oblivion.


688de0  No.15906934

File: b28babaa13b7dbf⋯.png (765.02 KB, 1278x720, 71:40, confused dog girl.png)

Why is /v/ so obsessed with dubs?


472536  No.15906945

>>15906081

Self-insert, 'reinterpretation' fantasy play.

That is, in part, why games such as Kingdom Come get flak from The Soy Collective. A story and main character that is based in a set world, be it historical or wholly fictional, with a consistent internal logic (lore, w/e) means no chance to play out a weird ideological-projection-game.

>200 essay


84fe88  No.15906973

>>15906311

>zoomer memes

>>>/reddit/


8eaaf9  No.15906982

>>15906934

only people who don't get dubs don't understand the obsession

allow me to demonstrate how to accurately and properly get a random number with multiple repeating numbers in it on this website


291a20  No.15906988

File: c50a8b66ef2a3cf⋯.webm (1.91 MB, 640x358, 320:179, soi.webm)

>Unfortunately they are just as obsessed with NV.

Really? Seems like the last game their casual asses would like to play. Maybe it's just in-group posturing.


291a20  No.15906989

>>15906934

I want to marry this Uraka.


84fe88  No.15906991

File: efeb14353622abd⋯.jpg (21.7 KB, 480x480, 1:1, monkey.jpg)

>>15906982

you tried anon


796c0a  No.15906995

>>15906988

>My walking sim in a big brown void is better than YOUR walking sim in a big brown void.

All the modern Fallout games suck.


291a20  No.15907001

File: 779600b3885ced9⋯.jpg (613.92 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, asdfg.jpg)

>>15906995

>nv is a walking simulator

(you)


796c0a  No.15907009

>>15907001

>Walking slowly through a brown environment and using VATs isn't a walking sim

Sure.


291a20  No.15907016

>>15907009

If you want to call open world RPGs walking sims because you have ADHD, go ahead, lad. And you don't have to use the VATs. In fact, it's terrible at long range.


ca733a  No.15907020

>>15907009

Yeah, maybe. But the game is actually good.

It has meaningful characters in a meaningful place. When was the last time you played a plot which wasnt "OMFG WE ALLGON DIE, SAVE DA WURLD" tier stuff?

Here you help a collective of deformed heavy-radiated humanoids and their wannabe human to reach the fucking, which you can or cant do, depending on how much you wish to see a rocket of peace full of people as a projectile. And its great every step of the way.

Slap some mods in, and have a grand ol' time.

NV is the only one that can hold a candle to 1 & 2


ca733a  No.15907025

>>15907020

Reach the fucking moon

im a fucking nigger


f6afea  No.15907042

>>15906081

I wonder what they think about the first few games. There's rape, slavery (that's actually pretty dark in how it handles it, you can choose to be a slaver if you want), killing kids, killing entire communities with no moral repercussions, hard drugs use and the game brushes all of this like it's nothing. They'd have a heart attack play FO1


796c0a  No.15907058

>>15907016

Calling Fallout an open world RPG is pushing it. There's very little roleplaying in the modern ones.

>>15907020

Just because you enjoy it doesn't make it good. I played for 2 hours and got sick of the empty brown world. Fallout 4 was honestly more fun to wander around because it had more stuff in the wilderness. Neither game was good but 4 felt a lot more like a destroyed area and just just a brown crater.


84fe88  No.15907063

>>15907058

> Fallout 4 was honestly more fun to wander around because it had more stuff in the wilderness

what the fuck? how? There was nothing interesting whatsoever in 4


796c0a  No.15907078

>>15907063

I'll take ruined cars and highways over brown rocks, brown cabins and brown dirt


43fea7  No.15907083

>Sounds like a typical fanbase right? No, it's far worse

How?

>(1)

Nevermind

>>15906465

Wow anon, what a fucking tragedy, are you a youtube cartoon reviewer or simply unable to enjor more than one thing at once?


2a05b3  No.15907089

>>15906081

the answer is simple, OP

fallout is "hip and trendy", therefore tumblr likes it

they are nu-hipsters, and so are most SJWs


912b83  No.15907113


b5abeb  No.15907119

>>15906136

Their userbase is still cancer incarnate. It remains to be see whether the destruction of tumblr will weaken them or help spread the pozz far and wide.

As for why Fallout is popular, it's because Bethesda made it "safe". It's not a biting juxtaposition of 50s sci-fi optimism with post-apocalyptic despair, but a zany theme park ride where you get to do silly shit in a big hugbox. It's "funny" because it features humor meant to appeal to mouthbreathers like Todd and Hines.

Also, FO4 is completely woke, especially in regards to the romance options and the underground railway.


bc689a  No.15907127

File: ecc6ae9d10d3306⋯.jpg (18.6 KB, 480x344, 60:43, ecc6ae9d10d3306955c111031c….jpg)

>>15906237

This.

Also consider that Bethesda introduced a massive tonal shift to the game's background and lore. No longer do the Fallout games explore society's rebuilding in the wake of annihilation, with all the complexities included, rather they focus on a world desolated by 50s consumerism and a lone hero coming to live in the debris, using that debris for their own ends.

The older Fallout games (and New Vegas) are about stories of people building something new, despite the wreckage of the past. On the other hand, the newer Fallout games are about stories of people playing in the wreckage of the past in order to sate their own selfish fantasies, whether that be in the form of launching mini nukes at baddies or hoarding every piece of shiny junk in a ten mile radius.


f6afea  No.15907132

>>15907078

That's the point, retard. Fallout isn't some colourful, post-apoc theme park of whistles and flashy lights. It's a desolate, dark wasteland of horrors.


b5abeb  No.15907137

>>15907127

It's disgusting how they removed any and all moral ambiguity from the setting. The BoS aren't isolationist assholes that send possible initiate to suicide missions, or a relic of a bygone era desperately clinging to the last shreds of power left to them as the world passes them by. They're fucking paladins of the wasteland fighting not-orcs.

Same shit with supermutants, they're not thinking creatures anymore, complex individuals with a society all their own that were following a man that was trying to save humanity in his own twisted way, they're just mindless green niggers the player can slaughter at will.

Gone is the technological advancement that happened after the war, gone is even the narrative of humanity finding their legs again in a brave now world. Now it's all just about running around in some junkyard and shooting at equally shallow enemies.

Hell, these cunts couldn't even stay their hands from the ambiguity of who started the war, but had to introduce fucking aliens to absolve humans of any responsibility for fucking up their own world, thus negating the central moral lesson of Fallout. War never changes, and thus humanity never changes with it.


796c0a  No.15907142

>>15907132

Good wastelands aren't just brown and grey. You may as well just call that Far Cry Africa and be done with it. Good wastelands remind you of what was there and has been lost.


84fe88  No.15907154

>>15907078

I won't lie anon, I didn't enjoy the desert either however I did enjoy the vaults and general surroundings a lot more than 4. My main issue with 4 wasn't the exploration though, it was the dumbed down content overall. There's like 4 factions I think? You have the negro community, those people who like trains and the institute plus the brotherhood. But they have no reason to be a thing, there's nothing to give you any reason to bother with them other than a new ending, in vegas you had communities that would kill you on sight but in 4 it's like "yeah you did kill my baby but whatever :)"


b5abeb  No.15907197

>>15907142

That's not how it works in Fallout, though. The nukes and whatever else they fired at each other raped the ecosystem extra hard. Instead of handwaving away this they could just have introduced a wider spread of technologies like the Shi have created meant to revitalize the Wasteland.

Naturally, that would require Bethesda to tackle the driving themes of Fallout instead of ignoring them and shitting out their usual garbage.


796c0a  No.15907202

>>15907154

I never cared about any of that shit, I just wanted to wander around and find loot. If I want faction stuff I'll play Stalker. Or rather I would just play Stalker overall. It does exactly what Fallout ways to do but better in every way.

I don't care for autistic questing where the reward is crappy dialog and an item I won't use any way. I would rather find cool things on the map and collect items. Like an open world dungeon crawler not a dating sim


84fe88  No.15907209

>>15907202

New vegas has good dialog though, it has also has cool places vaults with items inside, usually a unique weapon or some intense fucking backstory. Like that one vault where every one turned into a plant or the other one where they sacrificed a person until three remained then realized they didn't need to.


796c0a  No.15907217

>>15907209

<Muh plot

<Muh story

I don't give a shit you autist. It's not a good game because it's a bad book.


b5abeb  No.15907225

>>15907217

Then go play Diablo or Torchlight you subhuman filth.


84fe88  No.15907232

>>15907217

What? You're playing a heavily story based game and you don't care about story? Ok?

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fc7a10  No.15907235

File: 01fc1a3809d9eaf⋯.jpg (57.25 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Girdle of Masculinity-Femi….jpg)

>>15906081

>shitty Bethesda game engine is magically good if Obsidian Entertainment makes a "game" with it

<Obsidian Entertainment the SJW company that brought us such soy soaked classics like Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny

spotted the soy chugging faggot with SJW tendencies

>b.b.but old CRPG's where good

wrong. Old CRPG's and Tabletop where always infested with cock smoking leftist, trany degenerates and furfags it just wasn't as apparent until recently.

http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Girdle_of_Masculinity/Femininity


b5abeb  No.15907240

>>15907235

You do realize that the girdle was a gag item, right?


796c0a  No.15907243

>>15907232

It's an "open world" RPG is it not? Where's my option to ignore the story and go explore this world?

Oh sorry I can't make my own adventure. I have to follow the quest markers. Better read this terrible dialog so I know to pick up the blue object and not the red one or it will give me another identical quest but give me a different dialog box as to why.

Games are bad for telling stories. They're the worst possible medium.


fc7a10  No.15907249

File: e4182bfac185655⋯.jpg (41.84 KB, 350x312, 175:156, 61078.jpg)

>>15907240

>You realize that it was a gag

A "gag" item what was designed by the literal tranny in the picture above who worked at TSR.


84fe88  No.15907254

>>15907243

You can go ignore the story though, I was never told to go visit vaults I just did because apparently there was interesting lore behind it. I liked going there and exploring, it felt great because of how unique each area was, each with it's little backstory.

But what you're saying is "yes this game has a story however I will proceed to ignore it" which is perfectly reasonable if you don't enjoy stories or dialog.

>Games are bad for telling stories. They're the worst possible medium.

Not really, you can make a story much more interactive within a game.

>>15907235

Everyone is aware the game is running on a trash engine but it's fun either way, the story is compelling and unlike 4 there are interesting places to visit.

>tryanny and pillars of eternity

They came out a few years ago, not quite the same as New Vegas. A lot can happen in 5-6 years.


b5abeb  No.15907256

>>15907249

Whatever his dumb intentions were it's still a gag item used by players and DMs to fuck with each other and has been for years.


b3519e  No.15907259

File: c7f8acfe5ae1fca⋯.jpg (42.1 KB, 476x564, 119:141, DvCpNxmWwAgPLfA.jpg large.jpg)

How is Tumblr doing anyways? I thought they wrecked the place by kicking out the smut and putting an automatic image blocker in place for lewds with tons of false positives. It's still alive?


fc7a10  No.15907266

>>15907127

>Bethesda's tonal shift

It also dose implicitly vilify that 50's by suggesting the ruination is a result of that era which plays into the fantasies of the SJW whom want to destroy everything associated with white America. The Silent Generation of the 50's is what often the left burns in effigy as a symbol of evil.

>>15907254

>not quite the same as New Vegas

Anon the same leftist who makes Pillars are the same leftist who made New Vegas. You just were not politically aware enough at the time to pick up on the subtle left-wing propaganda.

>bad game engine can make good gameplay if you dress up the whore with good story

wrong.

>>15907256

>he thinks his faggot DM turning him into a woman was just a "gag"

lol


796c0a  No.15907267

>>15907254

>Hero finally meets the princess

>He's so happy his quest is finally over

>Bad guy appears and kills her

>Lady boy screams in rage and declares vengeance

<I get control of the hero and spin around on the spot for 4 hours.

Tell me again how being interactive improves a story. It does the complete opposite. The author loses control of the situation and I can choose hundreds of ways to fuck it up. I can even skip it all and just go collect piss bottles instead.

No control means no way to tell a good story. And that's without even discussing the problems losing lives or just padding gameplay creates.


fc7a10  No.15907268

>that 50's

the 50's*


84fe88  No.15907280

>>15907267

>I act like a retard and this somehow ruins the experience

You could always not act like a retard if you want to experience the story.


796c0a  No.15907286

>>15907280

Doesn't matter. If you want me to tell part of your story you have to accept being retarded is part of it. Or maybe you tell me 75% of a story and then I get stuck on a boss for a week. Then what?

Games are bad for story telling. Either they stop being a game (i.e. become a movie or a book) or they have no control, no pacing and no way to control the story being told.


a9f51f  No.15907293

File: 3c6e9dbd0b2f6cc⋯.png (1.2 MB, 849x1200, 283:400, aa6097798f0c9c8647d267959c….png)

>>15906136

What the hell.

I don't use the site, but even I know that the porn was just about the only good thing about it.


61bf4f  No.15907298

>>15907286

I like how you, in order for your point to make even the hint of sense, pretend that the only way an interactive medium could possibly present a narrative is completely linearly as cutscenes (or similar) between segments of gameplay.


84fe88  No.15907302

>>15907286

That's really interesting anon because I have played plenty of games where the story has been a pretty impressive experience. Dark souls not 2 has a story and that's alright and doesn't interfere with your experience either.


057b95  No.15907329

>>15906673

Just let it go, it's just moving pictures on a screen pal.


a9f51f  No.15907354

>>15906673

I slowly dropped it around S5 or so.

/pone/ not being very good is what killed my interest to keep up with it since I became much more interested in the shitposting and banter once the show's quality went down .


b5abeb  No.15907358

>>15907354

Anon, the very fact you were attracted to horsefucking proves there's something deeply wrong with you.


a9f51f  No.15907364

>>15907358

You could say the same about posting here, really.


4bd840  No.15907367

>>15907266

Do not use the word, "whom" objectively. It is for the object of the sentence.


4bd840  No.15907370

>>15907367

*subject


636c36  No.15907373

>>15907364

You can't really compare an interest to video games to wanting to fuck horses. It just doesn't work.


4bd840  No.15907379

File: 6f28ec202a8e787⋯.png (91.41 KB, 500x375, 4:3, forgot.png)

>>15907370

Let's try that again because Im as retarded as the post that I was rectifying.

Do not use the word, "whom" subjectively. It is for the object of the sentence.


796c0a  No.15907382

>>15907302

>Cut scene starts the game

>Cut scene at every boss

>Cut scene when you ring both bells

>Cut scene when you meet mega tits

>Cut scene if you kill mega tits

>Cut scene if you want to go to the lord vessel

>Story requires you to die at a single boss, with no hint of this

And that's assuming a clean run. I could very easily make an argument for the abyss ring fucking up the story. Or how the DLC ruins any pacing you had. I like the DLC but there's no way for it to fit into the game as a story. It either pads it out and drags the pacing out or it's ignored and then you have to ask why so much work is in something you skip for the story.

I can dismantle your entire opinion by pointing out every bit of story you suggest is not part of the game. It's a loading screen at best and a movie you watch between gameplay at worst. You would be better off arguing something like Silent Hill 2 which merges game and story better than any other game in a long time. But that game is held together almost entirely by the ending cut scene(s) so we could argue that's flawed too. Maybe try Journey or Dear Ester if you want to discuss what is even a game any more and what is an interactive narrative.

>>15907298

Did you enjoy the bits of Gears of War, where you stuck your finger in your ear and walked slowly? Or Half life where they locked you in rooms and you could only speed up your escape by hitting people on the head with books to make them teleport? Did I ruin HL2's story by bunny hopping around the lab while they talked at me or was that part of the story? Gordon Freeman takes meth and fights the combine by breaking the laws of physics.

Do we count bugs in your game story or not? What story did Dark Souls teach me when it bugged out and didn't load the Tomb of giants for me? Do we include using a cheat engine where we used it to skip the first DLC's barrier and entered it before release? I just want to know your exact narrative fulfillment here. I'm afraid I just have too many ways to fuck it up on purpose or on accident for you to tell a good story. It's like someone telling a story and then you running in and shitting on the table. How many table shits does it take before the story is no longer the story and I'm the new "Story teller"?


b5abeb  No.15907386

>>15907382

Be honest anon, just how deep into the autism spectrum are you?


598c37  No.15907390

>>15907382

The story of dark souls isn't in the cutscenes, it's in the lore and backstory.

>other paragraph

Anon, I am literally this close - to being a full on autist but you're actually so fucking autistic this hurts to read.

Changed vpn hence the id change


796c0a  No.15907400

>>15907390

Lore is not the story. Learn the difference.

No wonder you think games are telling you a story. You don't know what one is.


9a86f5  No.15907411

>>15907382

Anon by your logic videos are terrible for stories since you can turn them on and leave the room. Books are also terrible because you can turn them upside down so nothing can be read.


b5abeb  No.15907426

>>15907400

>Lore is not the story

So character backgrounds and previous events that shape the current narrative aren't part of the story? Gotcha.


dd0bbb  No.15907435

File: 43f26ea3392be58⋯.png (162.91 KB, 707x621, 707:621, 1.png)

File: c74fa96a9d7a9cd⋯.png (198.11 KB, 830x935, 166:187, 2.png)

File: 58a3513606fbac6⋯.png (328.27 KB, 613x967, 613:967, 3.png)

File: 2ee8431a1e9e797⋯.png (439.41 KB, 1280x1333, 1280:1333, 4.png)

a fat ghoul

imagine


796c0a  No.15907436

>>15907411

That's not using the medium. To play a game you have to interact with it. To watch a movie you have to watch it. To read a book you have to read it. Two of these I can't fuck up, either I watch/read or I don't. The third I can fuck up or even be blue balled by the difficulty which prevents me seeing the end of the story.

>>15907426

Okay autismo let me help you.

The chosen undead's adventure is the story. From the Cell to the Kiln is the story. The item descriptions you find is the lore. They're not the same thing.


dd0bbb  No.15907438

File: a78a3809fdeb445⋯.png (183.69 KB, 550x376, 275:188, 5.png)

File: d9074490d00a3af⋯.png (337.05 KB, 885x676, 885:676, 6.png)

File: 16edf9bc66f13ed⋯.png (283.09 KB, 899x722, 899:722, 7.png)

File: e3e36b43166f7c0⋯.png (237.83 KB, 899x722, 899:722, 8.png)


1a9dcf  No.15907446

>>15907400

>not being able to read upside down

lɯɐo ɟɐƃƃoʇ


fc7a10  No.15907464

>>15907370

>>15907367

Woudn't SJW's be the subject of the sentence because they vilify the 50's era? Or is the 50's era the subject of the sentence. Which, if the latter, it doesn't make sense in my mind because 1950's America is a "when and where", not a "who". Isn't it the "who" that is the subject of a statement?


3d51de  No.15907465

File: 6f7b01c35d7eedd⋯.jpg (99.13 KB, 646x680, 19:20, didgeridildoo.jpg)

>>15907446

fuck off back to your desert island, criminal cunt


598c37  No.15907482

>>15907400

The story is within the lore you fuckwit, I don't think you know what a story is honestly. Either that or you're far up your own arse hole that you can't see shit.


796c0a  No.15907491

>>15907482

This is what your brain looks like on video games. You get told a fact and you argue the fact is wrong because you were too busy playing bad stories to know what a story is.


9a86f5  No.15907493

>>15907436

Sure you can. You can fuck around on your phone during the movie so you only get part of what's going on or you can completely misread a passage in a book. Or a more apt comparison to glitches in games is that the pages in a book got stuck together and you didn't realize it at first or there are numerous grammatical errors and typos. Or if we extend that comparison to movies there can be all sorts of errors, like the camera showing up in a reflective surface.


e6cd25  No.15907497

Because now it's fashionable to play games, thanks to the massive PR campaign that Microsoft sponsored to make it a normal thing instead of a hobbyist thing. And because it's fashionable, weirdos that want to impress each other latch onto specific parts of the current, surface elements of the medium so that they appear nuanced and at least superficially well-versed. It's a social status thing, nothing more, just like how they like steampunk, having personality disorders, and being sarcastic guttersnipes.

In ten years, they'll forget about Fallout, just like they forgot about how much they used to like "random humor."


796c0a  No.15907499

>>15907493

>You can fuck around on your phone to not watch the movie

>This is watching a movie

Please just stop. You're embarrassing yourself sweetie.


9a86f5  No.15907510

>>15907499

>I'm going to willfully misread one example you gave and just one.

How is approaching a game half-assed any different than approaching a movie half-assed?


b5abeb  No.15907511

File: 51cc15a91931034⋯.webm (7.89 MB, 400x225, 16:9, 1463261312703.webm)

>>15907491

Is this you anon? Because you sure as fuck sound like him.


90d11d  No.15907513

File: be194d06a47e0e8⋯.jpg (9.87 KB, 200x200, 1:1, 56634545253443.jpg)

>>15907499

Ebic /tv/ shitposter, gottem


796c0a  No.15907523

>>15907510

Very different. I can whole heartedly approach a game to spin on the spot.

>>15907511

I've not seen this video before. But that's irrelevant to the concept of Story VS Lore.


9a86f5  No.15907527

>>15907523

You should answer this anon's question >>15907386


796c0a  No.15907528

>Cloud! Sephiroth has summoned the meteor to destroy the world. We have to rush to the crater to stop him

<No way bitch, I want to go collect Knights of the Round, max out my Materia, get a gold chocobo and beat the weapons first

This is a good story telling medium. There is absolutely nothing inherently flawed about a medium that offers you incentives to avoid interacting with the story. Where the only way to get the optimal items in the game is to ignore the story entirely.


d12b33  No.15907531

File: 05d2990ef0e1410⋯.jpg (185.97 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 08768dba21d8206ce2b011ccdc….jpg)

>>15906863

>Whatever turd Bioware and Bethesda shit out next

>any western RPG


8eaaf9  No.15907538

>>15907511

holy autism

this guy never tried randomly pressing random buttons and seeing what does what

What a fucking idiot, everyone he complained about who mocked him were right to do so


9a86f5  No.15907542

>>15907528

Is the medium flawed or is that story flawed for not understanding what medium it is in? Much like book skipping many descriptive details because it is behaving like a movie. Or how infamously bad many movies based on books are since the books are so much more detailed.


a9f51f  No.15907553

File: a8663358ce94bab⋯.jpg (429.08 KB, 900x880, 45:44, groping.jpg)

>>15907542

That's pretty much the gist of it.

Devs who make vidya stories to fit some kind of a framework intended for films is the peak of idiocy.

I'm not sure if anyone has made a good format for a vidya story yet.


796c0a  No.15907558

>>15907542

Books don't encourage you to skip parts of them now does it? You have a start point and you have an end point. You get the same experience. When you have infinite variables you can't tell a story.

>>15907553

Nier Automata. Good story agreed by most.

I don't care about your villages Pascal I'm going to INVISIBLE WALL. Oh I don't care about 9S INVISIBLE WALL. Er.. guess I'm rail roaded and can't play the area I want because the story is fucking up the gameplay. Why am I playing this game if it won't let me play the area I want?


9a86f5  No.15907572

>>15907553

Personally I don't mind it since it doesn't disrupt my suspension of disbelief, but it is a weakness in the medium that games keeps leaning to.

I think that other anon's suggestion of Dark Souls is a good example since the few cutscenes take control away long enough to just set the stage for you and the rest are just your experiences wandering around a dying world. He complained about Seath killing you and the DLC being tacked on, but these seem like nitpicks with the story itself that I disagree with.

>>15907558

>Games encourage you to skip parts of them

>Why won't this linear game let me skip parts of it!

The problem is you anon.


fc7a10  No.15907577

>>15907553

as much as a meme Dark Souls storytelling has become considering its not really the first game to do the implicit exposition and show not tell approach. However, I personally find that its the preferable way to tell a story in a game. Where the game speaks for itself and whatever story that can be derived from that experience is more something that takes a backs backseat to the gameplay. In fact, the less a developer tries to tell in terms of a story and more in terms of theming and staging an event the better even in games that require some exposition and dialogue to stage a moral dilemma or riddle. A game designer needs to abandon the role of authorship and recognize for them to be successful they are subservient to respecting the players roll as a creative force in the game experience.

>>15907558

I hardly see how the story in Nier actually gets in the way of the core gameplay. Never is full autonomy of the player is expected by anyone disgusting game design seriously. But rather the director must respect the autonomy of the player enough to at least give them enough liberty necessary to accomplish a rewarding challenge or task as dictated by the game designer. Sometimes limiting what the player can do can actually make a more rewarding challenge as seen in Mario Sunshine's floodless levels.


fc7a10  No.15907583

is


fc7a10  No.15907589

I guess I should have reworded that first sentence, but I was trying to say Dark Souls was a successful example of storytelling in the video game medium because it takes a backseat to the game play but doesn't the lack depth necessary to tell something compelling.


a4d9d2  No.15907595

How is tumblr still a thing when their degenerate "Art" is no longer allowed?


10bbae  No.15907598

Fallout is a weird thing: it used to be this niche, hardcore series - and then all of a sudden it explodes into the mainstream.


b5abeb  No.15907600

>>15907598

>it used to be this niche, hardcore series - and then all of a sudden it explodes into the mainstream

It's called rape anon. It's like when that Disney executive finds a cute little girl with some singing talent and after a few gangbangs, coke and alcohol addictions for a few years she's suddenly a superstar.


fc7a10  No.15907627

>>15907598

Fallout was never niche or hardcore. It was always a bread and butter title of western gaming. Its not the series that exploded. Its the number of normalfags who label themselves as "gamers" that has become mainstream. People just flock to titles like Fallout because they want to have gamer street cred.


291a20  No.15907629

>>15906988

>tfw noone cared about my funny webm


85f6f8  No.15907635

File: 254b5ce9d6d37f9⋯.jpg (35.49 KB, 304x490, 152:245, Damn.jpg)

>>15907629

That's because it is terrifying.

>>15907627

>bread and butter title of western gaming

Except I know nobody who can even get halfway through the first 2 games, either, only a few people can get into the first 2 games, or we've just gotten dumber.


fc7a10  No.15907644

File: 8952e18af4d38d0⋯.webm (7.01 MB, 500x500, 1:1, WebMs without sound.webm)

>>15907629

>soysoaked cuckchannel brand no sound webm

that's because it's bait

>>15907635

>only a few people can get into the first 2 games

bullshit, anyone with an average IQ and wasn't born after 9/11/2001 can cakewalk through the original games.


85f6f8  No.15907647

File: 20d7f6177b77c86⋯.png (264.97 KB, 500x500, 1:1, Eeek.png)

>>15907644

>bullshit, anyone with an average IQ and wasn't born after 9/11/2001 can cakewalk through the original games.

Then we've truly gotten dumber, because I know of no one who has been able to finish the games, or even deal with the controls.


e4133d  No.15907667

>>15907558

>Er.. guess I'm rail roaded and can't play the area I want because the story is fucking up the gameplay. Why am I playing this game if it won't let me play the area I want?

You're right anon, I always want to play the last level of a game and games never let me do that immediately. I also want to read the last pages of a novel but I never understand the plot if I do. Media is fucking stupid. Why do they have to do everything so sequentially?


0dcb06  No.15907688

File: 2bc7b533f98fe90⋯.jpg (136.82 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, fallout 13.jpg)

>play fallout 3

>oblivion with guns

>AW DUDE YOU SHOULD PLAY NU VEGAS!!

>play it

>fallout 3 with a cowboy mod

>fallout 4 comes out

>WTF EVERYONE SHOULD GO PLAY THE CLASSICS NU FALLOUT IS SHIT!!

>Play Fallout 1

>Miss every hit and get eaten by a Tardis


12ff30  No.15907696

>>15907688

This is why you ignore other people's opinions.


85f6f8  No.15907708

File: 4899575501683d9⋯.jpg (5.3 MB, 4288x2848, 134:89, Tardis_BBC_Television_Cent….jpg)

>>15907688

>Miss every hit and get eaten by a Tardis

<I suck at this game, therefore it sucks


fc7a10  No.15907714

>>15907647

>Then we've truly gotten dumber

No, its just demographics have changed bringing down the average medium IQ and game developers are now marketing to global audiences and that also significantly drops that median IQ score. Developers are no longer just selling to a North American audience.


fc7a10  No.15907718

and North America is no longer as White as it used to be 20 years ago thanks to Pakistani and Mexican immigration*


6ebfff  No.15907786

>>15907558

>Books don't encourage you to skip parts of them now does it?

Want to know a little secret anon?

Most normalfag book readers don't actually read the whole book, if they read it at all they read the end so they have conversation material. The rest use books as a fancy mantlepiece and have never opened it.


dbbb3c  No.15907788

>>15906081

The answer is simple. Just like here, there are shills that get paid to promote the game, so does tumblr and reddit and facebook have shills and arguably a lot more of them. Normalshits are oblivious to their presence and thus embrace their shilling.


b91b93  No.15907790

>>15907553

You know how to do a good story in a video game? Do what CYOA books do, but apply it to your game. There you go you just made a story that flows with the freedom of your medium.


fd0f91  No.15907904

File: 64a05fbdaba6b92⋯.png (540.26 KB, 803x414, 803:414, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15907436

>>15907426

wouldn't its fat just melt off in a gory mess.


0dcb06  No.15907909

File: 401ba51994eb5bf⋯.jpg (55.31 KB, 714x537, 238:179, WOW DUDE.jpg)

>>15907708

>walk a few paces

>BLEEP

>wait a second

>Walk a few more paces

>BLEEP

>wait another second

>oh no a rat spotted me

>wait for him to move

>another few rats spot me

>waiting a minute for them to move

>BLEEP

>enter inventory

>equip gun

>skip my turn because not enough AP

>shoot a rat with 95% chance

>MISS

>wait again because not enough AP

>takes a minute for each rat to crawl over to me then bite me

>die

Literally Unplayable


e0efbf  No.15907921

>>15907119

>As for why Fallout is popular, it's because Bethesda made it "safe". It's not a biting juxtaposition of 50s sci-fi optimism with post-apocalyptic despair, but a zany theme park ride where you get to do silly shit in a big hugbox. It's "funny" because it features humor meant to appeal to mouthbreathers like Todd and Hines.

This hasn't been the case since Fallout 1. Fallout 2 is as big of a memefest as NV.


821cfd  No.15907954

File: 8a5cc96acecc286⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.38 MB, 1922x1869, 1922:1869, Deathclaw1.png)

File: eae3a408adabfde⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.77 MB, 1612x911, 1612:911, Deathclaw2.png)

File: 2bd6650ab4fe888⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 434.56 KB, 775x1100, 31:44, Deathclaw3.jpg)

>>15906299

It's going to have one more season next year then it's done. Though Hasbro has already said that they want to make a new MLP series so you faggots better hold on tight.

Now to at least explain the deathclaw obsession: it's the porn. Big dangerous monsters are usually big targets for being made into porn. Just look at these for examples.


60a55f  No.15907994

File: 319e1620fc6722c⋯.jpg (54.33 KB, 580x801, 580:801, Full Metal Retard.jpg)

>>15907436

>To play a game you have to interact with it. To watch a movie you have to watch it. To read a book you have to read it. Two of these I can't fuck up, either I watch/read or I don't.

To watch a movie, I can ingest various mind-altering substances or be heavily sleep deprived, making the entire experience disjointed, distorted, possibly even lost time entirely.

To read a book, I can always read bottom to top and right to left, making it fucking incomprehensible. I can even read it backward, for extra fuck up points.

Since your argument was predicated on you deliberately fucking up the narrative, I thought I'd just point out that you're unimaginitive and EVERY medium can be fucked up if you really try.


7aeb9b  No.15908002

>>15907954

>female

Thats a yikes from me 👀


658dae  No.15908005

File: 9f825a3623291bb⋯.jpg (12.57 KB, 360x361, 360:361, 62039149.jpg)


85f6f8  No.15908006

File: ce5b7b4f691b29f⋯.png (64.74 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 8chan laughs at you.png)

File: 83c26517c486242⋯.png (23.62 KB, 416x376, 52:47, And we love it.png)

File: 4504aa7c9c8018e⋯.png (33.09 KB, 1216x1112, 152:139, Gottem.png)

File: 2d0c609db0d80c5⋯.gif (9.44 KB, 390x470, 39:47, I laughed.gif)

>>15907909

>He died to the rats

>He died to the rats

>He died to the rats

>The rats that are in the very first screen of the game


0dcb06  No.15908039

File: d9c6090d6bc57eb⋯.jpg (63.96 KB, 862x646, 431:323, phill60.jpg)

>>15908006

>meet a guy at a settlement

>"dude dont attack me, ive got some experience and you dont want to mess with me"

>attack him

>get gunned down and stabbed by the towns people


f76571  No.15908136

File: 75294656c07051e⋯.png (75.17 KB, 447x536, 447:536, Boris what your doing.png)

>>15907954

The heresy is growing inside me.

Fuck hope it isnt too late.


343908  No.15908189

File: d7d7a41d1e1740b⋯.jpg (62.81 KB, 598x683, 598:683, 1410303707421.jpg)

>>15907954

>you will never be held down and forcefucked by a giant voluptuous titty monster


5810f5  No.15908199

>>15907954

Looks like Argonians on steroids.


ee34ae  No.15908206

>>15906988

>>15907629

>starts by smiling like a normal person

>right as the Oriental is about to take the picture he switches to the soyface

Does this just happen naturally by now? As in they couldn't even stop doing it if they wanted to?


b5abeb  No.15908231

>>15907921

>Fallout 2 is as big of a memefest as NV.

FO2 and NV both have their faults, but they don't try to paint the world as some theme park with clear good and bad guys (other than the Enclave, which is a big letdown in FO2).

Considering that "paladins of the wasteland" was a joke random encounter aping Monty Python and Bethesda made it what the BoS really is.


9cbf0f  No.15908233

>>15907293

>>15907354

>>15907364

>>15907553

>brony weeb

This should be illegal


0cbb90  No.15908252

>>15907083

are you retarded m8?


e0efbf  No.15908268

>>15908231

They aren't themeparks sure, but they definitely went with the suspension of disbelief and turned the setting into a zany parody, rather than continue with the dark hostile wasteland that fallout 1 was.


bda7f1  No.15908275

>>15908233

Nigger, all bronies are weebs. The whole reason they like it is the pseudo CGDCT.


e5b6eb  No.15908277

>>15907909

are you channeling your inner dsp?


12deda  No.15908287

>>15906096

lmao what complex games do you play


fd0f91  No.15908294

File: ed7a16f9f78098a⋯.png (187.33 KB, 600x541, 600:541, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15908136

You're already too far gone.


ba57c1  No.15908310

File: 5f3ae37ac3ed331⋯.jpg (27.61 KB, 480x792, 20:33, 5f3ae37ac3ed331f8598ec8d8f….jpg)

>those subhumans that look at 3 and nv on the surface level and say they are the same

Normalfags, anything that is is beyond muh pew-pew is too hard for you to comprehend.


0dcb06  No.15908404

File: d3d4a3169a99a59⋯.jpg (75.29 KB, 540x309, 180:103, Faggout.jpg)

>>15908310

>yeah theres a big difference between fallout 3 and fallout 3 Cowboy complete overhaul mod

>Comprehend this! *unsheathes Katana*

>[intelligence 43/75] Fallout 3 and fallout NV are both surface level

>[sneering imperialist] Degenerates like that belong on a cross

>[Explosibves 10/50] *attempt to blow up normalfags

>[Barter 50/50] Both games are alright i guess


12ff30  No.15908471

>>15908206

OH GOD, HELP ME… I'M…. :OOOOOOOOOOOO


dc4048  No.15908530

File: 5b2c5c827b4e910⋯.png (201.56 KB, 728x622, 364:311, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15907954

Normally it's faggots like >>15908002 who want to see monsters fucking human women though


2b0811  No.15908562

>>15908310

I agree, 3 has a much better designed overworld. NV just has marked locations and pointless commutes between them. It might as well have been made on the old Fallout 1 engine.


3d51de  No.15908600

>>15908530

Somebody call a drawfag, I need a

>no way, fag

version of this


7a0de9  No.15908609

>>15908562

Yes, Fallout 3's well designed overworld with such outstanding landmarks such as gray ruins and slightly more gray ruins. Truly magnificent.


5810f5  No.15908612

File: ba9587484263311⋯.jpg (45.49 KB, 313x294, 313:294, ba958748426331164e204f31d2….jpg)

>>15908002

>Does not like monster girls.

>yikes.

Gay.


ba57c1  No.15908613

File: 3b302ac49abb560⋯.jpg (136.37 KB, 778x751, 778:751, 3b302ac49abb560b1ec931aaa5….jpg)

File: cd032c6bbc48e8f⋯.png (11.48 KB, 625x626, 625:626, cd032c6bbc48e8f43bacb7b881….png)

Where did these anti-nv fags even come from?


1f0a9b  No.15908621

File: 5e4e234f2261d9f⋯.jpg (100.91 KB, 616x586, 308:293, 5fd540dfed91cfdda08790b2ad….jpg)

>>15908613

Cuckchan exploded if I recall.


47bd99  No.15908668

Probably because fallout is filled with every kind of abomination and disgusting personality trait you can think of, which is supposed to make you go

>holy fuck I hope nuclear war never happens so I have to deal with pseudo-hulks and giant rape beasts

but when tumblr sees it they identify with it, and go

>this is the true progressive future


7a0de9  No.15908681

File: 6cbfa280ee5e843⋯.png (491.19 KB, 803x414, 803:414, UNITY.png)

>>15908668

>we're one race

>the mutant race


47bd99  No.15908686

>>15908681

>so will you join antifa, or die here?


291a20  No.15908712

>>15908562

Has there ever been a game that's more brainlet bait than fallout 3? Everything about the game's so terrible, from the design choices to the story, setting and gameplay, that the only people that praise it are those that have been fooled by the gaming press. Just as an example, fucking Megaton may be the dumbest worldbuilding of any game.


fc7a10  No.15908723

>>15908613

>nv is suddenly good

anon (you) are the cuckchanneler


dc4048  No.15908779

File: f9e29f368453399⋯.png (448.05 KB, 2309x2309, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15908600

>thinking words would get him anywhere


ba57c1  No.15908786

File: ef1d1073beda32d⋯.jpg (21.56 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 500_atoms.jpg)

>>15908779

>glasses

Why degrade a girl like this with the implication of genetic imperfection?


5546a0  No.15908794

>>15908786

>Not liking girls with glasses

You're the genetic imperfection here.


ba57c1  No.15908850

File: c6085bff91c1e59⋯.jpg (38.39 KB, 480x640, 3:4, c6085bff91c1e5989c421e571b….jpg)

>>15908794

>he likes inferior women

Seems like you identify with them.


85f6f8  No.15908873

File: c1b05b500afebda⋯.jpg (70.73 KB, 720x602, 360:301, Comfy busta.jpg)

>>15908850

>People with glasses are inferior

Same could be said about people with Autism, which would mean this entire board (including (you)) is just as inferior if not more.


ba57c1  No.15908883

File: 6b41eabdf3f8944⋯.png (1.13 MB, 3588x3596, 897:899, 27fded3482a1e8f847e284c76d….png)

>>15908873

Your point?


e43d5f  No.15908887

File: 4ab79ec6fb10f25⋯.jpg (84.11 KB, 612x819, 68:91, laughing himmler.jpg)

>>15908786

>nigger

>calling anyone genetically inferior


85f6f8  No.15908895

File: ffc384f4d196452⋯.jpg (859 KB, 2576x1920, 161:120, This nigga got no balls.jpg)

>>15908883

We're all untermesnch. And we deserve what's coming to us.


ba57c1  No.15908910

File: f86ac6209a3ecbc⋯.png (177.48 KB, 600x336, 25:14, ab2d76d1a0a953f165854cab78….png)

>>15908895

That still doesnt change the fact that you willfully choose something inferior for no reason.


47bd99  No.15908917

>>15908910

There is literally nothing wrong with 2d girls with glasses


85f6f8  No.15908921

File: 652aac782431773⋯.gif (37.53 KB, 500x364, 125:91, A Great Khan wrote that po….gif)

>>15908910

I'm not even the one that posted that shit, you're the one that needs to put on a pair of glasses next time, cause you clearly can't read IDs for shit. You inferior mongoloid.


1ee135  No.15908931

File: 01b483d12a94646⋯.gif (3.49 MB, 480x270, 16:9, What's going on big guy.gif)

>>15906230

>1600 pages

How many words is that?


dc4048  No.15908933

>>15908910

How is a cazador girl inferior?


e43d5f  No.15908936

File: 27fed474141759a⋯.jpg (110.48 KB, 544x788, 136:197, 27fed474141759a4c3f363433b….jpg)

>>15906163

Long lost father?


ba57c1  No.15908950

File: c3caecafdbbbb9b⋯.jpg (156.5 KB, 1600x1203, 1600:1203, dab1ff1c6685abd47baf14c7d8….jpg)

>>15908917

Its a projection of real world inferiority. Your only excuse would be that they are just for fashion but then its still just an obstruction of the face and only a fetish object and we have no actual way of knowing if its so or not.

>>15908921

I'm just naturally following the conversation. Even if we were sitting next to each-other face-to-face who you are still doesnt matter as what part you took in the discussion. Also get that gay tumblr shit out of here.

>>15908933

I'm talking about the glasses my friend.


1ee135  No.15908958

>>15906299

Bullshit. It's dead. It must be.

>9 years

Double bullshit.


85f6f8  No.15908962

File: d155b9ceb4d9959⋯.png (9.04 KB, 607x114, 607:114, hehe.png)


85f6f8  No.15908964

>>15908962

Wrong post, this was for >>15908958


47bd99  No.15908967

>>15908950

>Your only excuse would be that they are just for fashion but then its still just an obstruction of the face and only a fetish object and we have no actual way of knowing if its so or not.

What?


ba57c1  No.15908976


643f66  No.15908985

File: 61a25c7a2309686⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 255.14 KB, 700x779, 700:779, 61a25c7a23096867814426a2c1….png)

>>15908921

I think I know that artist.


b91b93  No.15908986

File: c5560dfa5a81e2b⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 3.2 MB, 4042x2778, 2021:1389, c5560dfa5a81e2b8cb1794c7af….jpg)

>>15908950

Mimi is best girl with big tits due to amazing genetics. Mimi also has glasses. Therefore you are 100% wrong.


dc4048  No.15909015

>>15908950

I'm aware of your autism anti-glassesfag, I just don't see how a cazador girl could possibly be considered inferior


9b3f12  No.15909016

File: 58df459f8c2359e⋯.png (36.83 KB, 1251x134, 1251:134, Untitled.png)

>>15908958

There were leaks and they have had mention of S9 and another movie which will close G4\FiM. Hasjew also has plans for G5 cartoon so don't think it's completely over.

>>15908931

FO:E is about 620k words long. Some spin-offs of that fic are even longer. Even then they never get close to pic related and it's still probably an on-going one.


ba57c1  No.15909045

>>15909015

Are you implying being a cazador girl somehow negates the fact that she has shit eye-sight?


fb8289  No.15909052

>>15909015

Probably the part where she lays eggs behind your eyeballs full of brain-eating wasps. Might be a dealbreaker for some people.


b66365  No.15909061

>>15908985

God I wish that were me unironically


47bd99  No.15909067

>>15909061

Why would you want to be a sketch


ba57c1  No.15909070

>>15909067

thats just a bunch of pixels


47bd99  No.15909072

>>15909070

>he doesn't want to be a pixie


ba57c1  No.15909112

>>15909072

im going to bed


bef6dd  No.15909113

File: da8f8aafc7dc476⋯.jpg (24.65 KB, 175x172, 175:172, Deathclaw.jpg)

>>15906081

>unhealthy obsession with deathclaws

I guess you could say it's like a DRUG to them.


729da8  No.15909116

>>15908712

>Megaton may be the dumbest worldbuilding of any game

elab


85f6f8  No.15909126

File: c22ef8c87ed7fa4⋯.gif (363.75 KB, 266x200, 133:100, Laughing at manlets.gif)

>>15908985

>FO3 is all about MUH WATER

>Peeps are thirsty as fuck

>People literally begging for water

>Megaton is a settlement smack dab in the middle of the a waterless wasteland

>They also have a hobo right outside of megaton asking for water cause he's thirsty you see?

>They have a complex pipe system with clean water with a pump and all


85f6f8  No.15909128

>>15909126

Okay, this post was for >>15909116

It happened again, why am I so retarded


d8043d  No.15909130

>>15909128

at least you quoted the right people the second time around this time


3e9cfa  No.15909144

File: fa2976e58398868⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 52.97 KB, 720x649, 720:649, quarry junction.jpg)

>>15909113

Nice crop.

nigger


dc4048  No.15909155

>>15909052

Doesn't matter, had sex


107fbc  No.15909165

File: d8b7b5b0a35868f⋯.png (390.53 KB, 480x566, 240:283, darksoles.png)

>open thread

>see yet another intellectual manlet who thinks story isn't a part of gameplay

Every time.


47bd99  No.15909262

>>15909165

But it isn't


b91b93  No.15909308

File: 0d0884d3325e791⋯.jpg (736.69 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, 0d0884d3325e791aafa0883407….jpg)

>>15909262

>RPG

>Story isn't the backbone of the game


47bd99  No.15909310

>>15909308

It helps, yes, but you can have a good RPG without a story.


107fbc  No.15909324

>>15909310

Nigger, fucking tetris and chess generate stories. What makes you think you can have an RPG without one?


ba57c1  No.15909326

File: 71caae006eedf23⋯.png (447.26 KB, 981x501, 327:167, 71caae006eedf23e439f947755….png)

>>15909165

>that pic

>>15909262

Its part of the presentation and experience. It is very important. It has only become a buzzword for indie and AAA devs just so take can use it on the Harry Potter and Marvel movie crowd instead of building game with complex, believable worlds and atmosphere and aesthetic whiles also using it as an excuse for shit gameplay.

A lot of the "/v/ core" games have shit to meh gameplay.

STALKER (though its pretty great with mods)

VtMB

Fallout 1/2/NV

Morrowind

etc.

Its not just about moment to moment action but as a whole experience. For instance Doom is solely moment to moment to action but STALKER is a lot about taking in the world and the various situations you end up in. Silent Hill for instance also has shit gameplay but it was never about that. FEAR is carried on it shooting but what people most fondly remember is the replica's voicelines because it complimented the shooting immensely. Its why satisfying sound and animations are need too. You can have a complex and interactive for gameplay but a sword swing with umpf where it bashes the enemy and they scream in blood and gore is good enough as well.

>>15909310

No you cannot. For a RPG to work it doesn't need a complex story, but it needs a consistent story. Even as simple "guy kills monster". Then you start asking "how does guy kill monster", is he a paladin that smites it, is he a thief who just robs the reward and fucks off, is some diplomat that convinces stooges to kill it for him?


107fbc  No.15909333

>>15909326

The picture gets much worse if you look at their shoulders.


47bd99  No.15909344

>>15909324

>>15909326

I thought we were talking about something that's written and injected into a game without a purpose to enhance gameplay. I don't even disagree that a story can elevate a game into the Nth dimension, but context does not equate to story in the way you're trying to argue it..


ba57c1  No.15909358

>>15909344

But RPGs are about stories. Not a single narrative but various events that the player can influence based on their character. If your character doesnt exist in a story he can change then why have a character at all?


47bd99  No.15909360

>>15909358

I thought we were talking about games in general not just RPGs


ba57c1  No.15909363

>>15909360

Holy fuck anon >>15909310


47bd99  No.15909366

>>15909363

My bad, meant game.


105481  No.15909385

File: 32da189be6e9bdb⋯.png (7.18 KB, 151x138, 151:138, aiki cringe.png)

>>15909262

Wow, how embarrassing.


65d203  No.15909445

>>15909165

stories are irrelevant but nice to have in videogames.


fc7a10  No.15909582

File: 1c2537bde12138c⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 564.78 KB, 912x702, 152:117, time-honored ∕v∕.png)

>>15909165

story's are a nonessential aspect of video-games the fact that you fail to understand this only reflects your own intellectual shortcomings. but don't fool yourself kiddo, I didn't really fall for your weak bait


002a65  No.15909596

>>15906081

Part bestiality, part popular so we like it and large part classic they can latch to and subvert


46a729  No.15910756

>>15908600

>implying there's still drawfags out of the GG and draw threads

Prove me wrong please


ba57c1  No.15910791

>>15910756

>drawfags are attention whores

What a surprise.


6fd8c8  No.15910836

File: 3fec45e3401840e⋯.jpg (168.19 KB, 391x500, 391:500, cargo.jpg)

>>15908613

It might be a marginal improvement over FO3 but it's still shite.


9553c9  No.15910864

Because the Fallout universe, just like their minds, is fucked beyond all repair. It's a perfect match.


fc7a10  No.15910873

File: 2338864e8d851cf⋯.webm (4.2 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Paid Mods.webm)

>>15910836

So many delusional people assume because "Mods" fixed it that is a "good game". Sure NV is the best turd on the top of turd mountain if you fix it with mods but its still trash. This mods will fix it attitude is what Bethesdo has always been at liberty to sell people shit. But when Bethesdo killed of free mods they killed their golden ticket to get out of jail free.


fc7a10  No.15910879

> what Bethesdo

why


4e3da6  No.15910909

>>15907954

>>15908530

>>15908779

Good Xmas fapping material


6a706d  No.15911083

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15910873

Creation club is even worse than the Steam system.

Modders get zero royalties. They are just paid a flat fee then told to fuck off.

In other news here's some fake nuka cola bottle merch.

>Lore is raped

>Games are outdated or broken.

>Todd isn't even fun to meme as a liar anymore, people just despise him.

>no more mods

>Even "Ultimate goy edition" merch is an out and out scam.

Fallout is basically dead now.


052dcc  No.15911142

>>15907235

Wow, thanks for saving me from those leftist infested games anon, guess i'm only going to play high fantasy menu simulator DQ clones now.


bdf839  No.15911752

File: e625a66a11331c9⋯.gif (884.94 KB, 375x304, 375:304, v.gif)

>>15906081

Maybe /v/ and tumblr are more alike than you think. tumblr enjoys games with multicult-colored npcs and homosexual sex/romance options, like stardew valley or new vegas.


b5abeb  No.15911802

>>15911752

But in NV you can sell the degenerate into slavery or just plain shoot him.


0dcb06  No.15911848

File: 0793f4815b67394⋯.jpg (120.92 KB, 753x800, 753:800, 1511994806766.jpg)

>steal from rapist, bandits or gunpowder thugs

>Bad karma >:(

>kill them

>good karma :)

>steal from someone who died

>bad karma >:(


6c787a  No.15911865

>>15911848

Reminder that Stirner was a literal cuck, and everyone who posts him is a nigger.

>>>/leftypol/


0dcb06  No.15911937

File: cefed2a202236c3⋯.jpg (23.12 KB, 522x294, 87:49, 1538176239159.jpg)

>>15911865

Cuckoldry is a spook


fa2bbb  No.15911987

>>15906666

Your local Child Buggery community? Colour me surprised, Satan.


66f339  No.15911992

>>15911083

>perpetuating the todd meme

>ever

redditors need to fuck off


12fde7  No.15912017

>>15911937

Killing cuckolds is ok though, since morality is relative and a spook.


129fc2  No.15912057

File: 5738c894ded87a9⋯.png (25.2 KB, 198x149, 198:149, 1270915129853.png)

>>15911937

>not knowing the "is a spook" meme is a spook


ec79d9  No.15912121

File: fbe3d9de64d670a⋯.jpg (97.11 KB, 1334x667, 2:1, 5abb9eb43216742a008b45cc-1….jpg)


0dcb06  No.15912175

>>15912057

the spook meme is my property and i shall use it as i please


eb238b  No.15912181

>>15907464

Use whom when its the object, like object of a preposition "to whom". You are right when you say SJW's are the subject, "SJWs who".

https://www.talkenglish.com/vocabulary/top-50-prepositions.aspx


fc7a10  No.15912261

>>15912181

>Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition. When in doubt, try this simple trick: If you can replace the word with “he”’ or “’she,” use who. If you can replace it with “him” or “her,” use whom.

So I didn't use it wrong?


9e419f  No.15912631

>>15907464

>>15912261

SJW has two functions (thus 2 different cases):

>It also dose implicitly vilify that 50's by suggesting the ruination is a result of that era which plays into the fantasies of the SJW whom want to destroy everything associated with white America

>fantasies of the SJW

Here, SJW is the object of the preposition of, genitive of takes accusative complements of him. But you also wrote a relative clause:

>whom want to destroy everything associated with white America

Here the use of whom is incorrect because the subject of this sentence should be who. As you can see, nouns in languages can take many roles as long as you figure out the syntactic structure of these sentences and how they may semantically take more than a role. A proper usage of whom is like this:

John hit Bill

Who hit Bill?

Whom did John hit?

Who hit whom?

*Whom who hit?

*Whom hit who?

John hit Bill who is a fucking retard (reffering to Bill)

John hit Bill whom Mary divorced (him) because he (Bill) is a fucking cuck


8f2f33  No.15913349

>>15907267

Rafael's Parable can't come soon enough


731011  No.15913378

File: 959b80ae5bf20f3⋯.png (209.16 KB, 703x482, 703:482, 1390746120347.png)

>>15907688

Only complete neckbeards with no taste recommend the earlier Fallout games because they played them as a kid without standards. Truth to be told there are no good Fallout titles. New Vegas came close to be fun with rape mods but all of them are a suffering to play.


219c68  No.15913606

They are a broken "people" that refuses to fix themselves so they like a company that makes broken games that they refuse to fix.


34f974  No.15913776

File: bb793ed15102cde⋯.jpg (157.55 KB, 600x709, 600:709, absolutely barbaric.jpg)

>>15912631

>speaking an analytic language


85f6f8  No.15913791

File: 29dc5fb28f06591⋯.jpg (76.71 KB, 960x959, 960:959, [Grommit screaming in the ….jpg)

>>15911752

>I have never played New Vegas

>>15913378

>Hello I'm from 4chan

I want you faggots to leave.


6c8543  No.15913817

File: 262fde28d1925c1⋯.png (164.49 KB, 1496x1043, 1496:1043, little demon is bewildered….png)

>>15913378

Not sure if low-key request for rape-mod suggestions.


9e419f  No.15913836

File: db0f761d388a9b1⋯.png (888.07 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, KTB.png)

>>15913776

Joke's on you, my mother tongue is from a semitic family and you faggots can't into templatic morphology.


15f24c  No.15913838

>>15906081

>Unfortunately they are just as obsessed with NV.

NV is full of fags.


34f974  No.15913931

>>15913836

>semitic

Then why the fuck are you here?


636c36  No.15914028

>>15913931

Probably spends his time "hello fellow whites, let's die for the good of the planet!"


ab3875  No.15914030

>>15906260

>> longer then the fucking bible

The Bible isn't that long. It's 2/3rds OT which most Christians ignore aside from a few bits here and there you could condense into a single chapter. Then the NT is largely just the same story told from four different authors and a handful of notes, letters, and scribbled down fever dreams.


9e419f  No.15914032

>>15913931

>why are you in a board owned by your cousin semite


9043b8  No.15914874

>>15913378

>rape mods

link or source pls


1f5933  No.15914913

>>15914030

Not to mention how many footnotes the average bible has. They can take up like 1/4th of each page.


25cad3  No.15914946

File: 4f8a33f8cb5e027⋯.jpg (24.36 KB, 418x250, 209:125, 829641c647a6e2e8b3c27322d4….jpg)

>>15913378

i did not grow up with old fallouts infact my first fallout was 3

and get i like fallout 2 the most classics are better simple as that faggot


9ee255  No.15915574

File: 0031ddd01b53d3c⋯.jpg (44.27 KB, 318x488, 159:244, 7be.jpg)


1f1357  No.15915663

>>15911865

>bringing up unrelated info to discredit someone

>implying everyone who likes his philosophy is /leftypol/

Back to >>>/tumblr/ you go, nigger


a1fffe  No.15915699

File: 3c6d7bec97993a8⋯.png (386.82 KB, 323x538, 323:538, help, let me out.png)


6c787a  No.15915712

>>15915663

>Stirner being a literal cuck is unrelated to some /leftykike/ posting Stirner

Anyone who likes Stirner's philosophy bullshit is indeed /leftypol/.

>>>/leftypol/

>>>/suicide/

>>>/reddit/


fc7a10  No.15915727

File: 0df328fefe224ec⋯.webm (4.72 MB, 580x980, 29:49, Moonman RWDS.webm)

>>15915663

but anon, everyone who likes Stirner is a cock smoking leftist.

>>>/ovens/


67110b  No.15915732

File: 98ff1f4822f311e⋯.jpg (235.42 KB, 1366x998, 683:499, 98f.jpg)

to be fair communism sounds good at paper

and will probly work if we do it like its in the paper


ba57c1  No.15915743

File: bb90c359aaf7d24⋯.png (260.42 KB, 300x500, 3:5, bb90c359aaf7d24834c07fb0f6….png)

>>15915732

but what if everyone was white?


67110b  No.15915750

File: 7fd54a8d697a43b⋯.jpg (30.47 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 28xp-pepefrog-articleLarge.jpg)

>>15915743

no niggers means communism has higher chance of working ofcourse


43fea7  No.15915758

>>15908252

Are you going to answer my questions?


56b5da  No.15916894

File: ebaad5a7755e03e⋯.jpg (247.5 KB, 800x800, 1:1, Unionised.jpg)

>>15915750

Zero multiplied by pretty much anything is still zero.


bfdb76  No.15917015

>>15915732

>and will probly work if we do it like its in the paper

Good joke.


46a729  No.15917021

File: 7000dba2f1f8343⋯.jpg (101.02 KB, 750x653, 750:653, feelings.jpg)

>>15916894

I'd be such a nice retort if he'd mentioned multiplication.


34f974  No.15917045

File: 9a4313113e33e28⋯.jpg (32.54 KB, 294x273, 14:13, smug dean with cup.jpg)

>>15917021

That'd be such a nice retort if he wasn't right.


46a729  No.15917123

>>15917045

As long as he's right, it doesn't matter, uh?


ba57c1  No.15917137

File: 7b7e7741788653f⋯.png (785.9 KB, 2026x1433, 2026:1433, commiecat.png)

>>15916894

Are there any commie cat pics where she is a stay at home wife for a rich businessman.


66f339  No.15917144

>>15917137

There is onew where she 's pregnant and happy


b7f4e9  No.15917164

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>>15907629

He did? Where is your proof?


bfdb76  No.15917177


396037  No.15917187

File: 7043f79e024b0ee⋯.jpg (172.8 KB, 727x524, 727:524, communist.jpg)

>>15917137

>commie pics where she is a stay at home wife for a rich businessman.

Thats real life


2be417  No.15917190

>>15906096

Not only that, these kinds of games can pretend to be more sophisticated than they actually are. CoD or FIFA or whatever regular casuals play are less cancerous because they at least don't have that pretense. I've seen the irony of these nu-gamers accusing Fallout critics of being uncultured CoD players.


60647d  No.15917410

>>15906081

>Tumblr has Tumblr art

What the fuck, this cant be true…


a14706  No.15918687

>>15917187

Is this satire or are people really so retarded that they don't even know what the words they use mean anymore?


06feb1  No.15918689

>>15918687

>anymore

Where have you been for the past few thousand years?


751188  No.15918698

>>15917187

>implying anyone with money would waste his time with a 30+ year old hag


9de615  No.15920938

I'd almost be able to stomach FO3/4 if there had been a decent story attached to them instead of the retarded plothole-tacular dreck they barfed up, they'd still need a lot of shit fixing in the engine to be tolerable but when the main through-line of your story is shoddy it undermines everything you do which is why the only entertainment to be scraped from those titles is when you're off-plot doing your own thing. This lack of a passable narrative in their main titles has disaffected old players and probably feeds into the nu-gamer mentality of 'I wanna do my own shit' and explains 76s entire existence. Instead of trying to craft a plot, doing so very poorly and getting reamed for it they opted for no plot rather than hiring some decent writers.

>>15907137

>War never changes

Except it always does, every time in every theatre including the Fallout and (((Fallout))) titles where it gets progressively worse.


9de615  No.15921009

>>15911083

>kiketuber

>pre ordering anything

>pre ordering multiple game merch trash

>that voice

>still whining about how much he likes Fallout (3 and 4 most likely)

Fucking guy is cancer, even if he's retroactively bitch slapping them he's already poured a ludicrous amount of money into their coffers for pure shit. When will people learn? Can they?


9de615  No.15921019

>>15917187

So she dates no-one/is a rug muncher


7b181e  No.15921066

>>15906096

Fetish mods are the only good thing about nu-Bethesda


85349f  No.15921708

File: dff119c3795aacf⋯.gif (2.7 MB, 498x278, 249:139, fuck off.gif)

>>15908612

>Dares sully monstergirls by saying they´re scalies

Doublegay


d6cf41  No.15921787

>>15920938

No, war never changes.

Its always the countries strongest and virile men fighting each other while the Jew profiteers from both sides.


d6cf41  No.15921831

>>15921708

Furries are monstergirls too, prove me wrong


f0c560  No.15921832

>>15921787

What do you suggest, then? Sending women, cripples, and kikes to the frontlines while strong, virile, aryan men watch drone footage of the war on TV and laugh?


d6cf41  No.15921846

>>15921832

End the fight, gas a kike


416889  No.15921885

>>15917187

>>15918698

This. She doesn't have anything of worth to give. There is no chance of her being a virgin.


cb0534  No.15921954

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


03c154  No.15922007

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>>15915727

Nowadays thats probably true but many 20th c. right-wing figures were influenced by him.




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