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Yes.

Frequently when I'm burned out on everything else.

I hop in every now and then. I got busy with school, and other games, so I stopped, but like 2cdd85 said, when everything else burns me out, SS13 is always fun.

>>15899002

A lot of people. I fell out of love with it though, it's shit for what it is mechanically and community-wise. There are far better games on byond that do miles more in both categories.

I never got around to playing this. Has the ship sailed or is it still worth getting into?

>>15899660

You can still get into it, still plenty of servers and communities alike.

I recommend Paradise Station for you first. Stable, helpful mods, easy station layout with similar jobs and mechanics as other servers.

>>15899002

I play for days on end, get burned out and leave it for months. I usually jump back when there's a thread here since communities can be hard to enjoy.

500-900 people play everyday and it’s been that way for years. It’s basically the only reason BYOND wasn’t buried in the ground 5-10+ years ago.

I just got permanently banned from Aurorastation a couple days ago.

>>15899754

Is aurora the furry or the russian station?

>>15899755

I think it's the furry one. I don't know, I usually played Engineer or Cyborg so I didn't have to interact with people that much. But they had a furry race, a lizardpeople race, a fishman race, and an OP robutt race.

>>15899761

How did you get permabanned? Released a singulo into the erp dorms? Called someone a nigger?

>>15899768

There was a firefight between Sec and merc invading the station. There was one merc left, and he fell. I, as an Engineer, walked over, picked up his weapon, and tossed it behind me. I had been waiting outside of the area the firefight was happening in because I was there to fix the APC and was getting impatient. Admins called it "validhunting" and permabanned me.

>>15899774

As a previous admin I can tell you: things are way less fun for everyone involved if there's rules on "how to have fun".

>>15899778

seems like it, I got banned from one server for stopping a furfag from filling the access paths with plasma and lighting it.

>>15900045

Hippiestation is metagaming as shit, server is boring.

>>15899754

Are you willing to put up with moderators who will breath down your neck?

>>15899670

Why would you ever recommend furry station?

SS13 is good at first, but it seems everyone just does stuff and never talks because they may get killed while talking. Makes it rather boring unless you're the antag or validhunting.

>>15899002

Occasionally play Lifeweb until I get tired of the shitty community shenanigans.

>>15899670

Paradise is the fucking worst for the reason that it's the sole server with fucking shadowlings.

The only reason said shadowlings are still around is probably because it's an admin's fetish material. When a antagonist has something like a 90% success rate, it's time to fucking stop.

>>15900166

the fuck is a shadowling?

>>15900182

changeling that's rather OP

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Shadowling

SS13 stopped being fun after everybody stopped focusing on RP and started focusing on features and powercreep happened.

Are there any (good) servers that don't have furry races? The only one I know of is goon and well

>goon

I usually play Hippie because even though there are furfetish races, they go extinct from natural causes usually before the ten minute mark.

>>15899778

>Are all ss13 mods and admins fucking sub 20iq troglodytes?

yes

>>15900061

>Hippiestation is metagaming as shit, server is boring.

It's pretty awful. RP is a necessary function for the game to be enjoyable. It has to hit a perfect balance though and not be dreadful RP like Baystation. Hippie on the other hand is a server where you'll have no security whatsoever and cult can freely say "hey we're converting come to medbay" and people willingly go there to convert so they can murder others who haven't converted yet. Thus you have rounds that can end very quickly because it's a one sided fight with nobody to oppose the cultists/revs.

I play on hippie, everyone else is a load of faggots. Maybe aside from those war servers whenever they're up or Corporate Mercs.

Daily reminder that /tg/station is a furry station. Hell, one of their admins is a shark girl lover.

>>15900999

>Daily reminder that /tg/station is a furry station.

Except it isn't. It has moths, lizards, and fly people. And they are considered second class citizens which the ai can kill if they happen to be a nuisance.

>>15900359

Yup, stopped playing when I realized most of the servers had a clique that programmed everything to be a convoluted mess on purpose, just so they'd have overpowered secrets (kill-chemicals, plants, areas, secret AI upload spots) that only got removed every time a non-clique player figured it out.

Is there a single more cancerous antag item than Holoparasites?

>undetectable

>does more damage than most things available to the crew

>can drag their host even in crit

>unstunnable

>being unclonable is a nonweakness because nobody’s gonna revive a confirmed traitor anyways

>usually has defense equal to someone in riot gear

>>15899778

>>15899774

>Be new

>Captain is shithammering the AI and decides to suit up and rip its core out

>Oh shit oh fuck

>The captain is wearing his blue oxygen jetpack

>Which is a traitor objective

>Nobody would attack the AI over nothing like that, therefore the captain MUST be a changeling

>Help the AI body the captain, who is understandably pissed

>Knowing that the changeling needs a brain to operate, I then say I'll bring the captain to medbay for cloning

>But instead I kidnap him and remove his brain, plan to hand deliver it to robotics for borging

>Have to afk but didn't ahelp it, so I just hid in a locker and took a shit

>Came back to a pageful of bwoinks

Still didn't get banned but in hindsight I felt pretty shitty. I can't even remember the roundtype, but I basically killed the poor fucker for no reason and removed him from play for a good 20 minutes

>>15901084

Hippie is so boring, it's 98% meta gaming. best servers I've played on is where there is some form of RP and not just people fucking off to try and kill everyone else first

>>15900999

That's another thing, no one ever plays security and it's always some cult/rev round. I forget which server, but there's one that has rounds where there are no antags and it's just the station getting fucked while people try and do their jobs.

>>15901650

>be warden

>be out of brig because the entire sec team is dead, have to take things in my own hands

>see stand user

>blast stand user into crit

>stand proceeds to drag them to safety

>stand for some reason doesn't have a range limit even though its hard coded

>blast the stand repeatedly

>it vanishes because it was a low armor stand and it just "tanked" two Eguns as a lifelinked creature

Bravo, whoever it was.

My post didn't go through for some reason, fuck.

Anyways I was just trying to say I like to put remotes on the public APCs and fuck with people

>>15902016

Other than Koriath code, 8ch had a great run,

Nurglestation was one hell of a ride for those few enjoyable rounds. I remember pulling corpses around the station to wash the floors red with endless spawning flies and then running to medical to help any survivors smart enough to get into maint.

It's been forever since I last played ss13, maybe one day I'll go back.

Fire Safety.

>>15900140

That's really the problem. Your only real choices are between high-RP where gameplay is required to take a backseat to RP and interaction, or minimal-RP where the only RP is acknowledging that you're on a space station together. There's no happy medium between the two.

the time when we get an ss13 server that doesn't die due to disinterest or autistic shitflinging

might come some day i dunno

I can't be assed to interact with the niggers who moderate this game they are so fucking retarded it's criminal I feel like my civil rights are being trampled on playing ss13 on any server. I'm literally fucking perma banned on every god damn server except for luckily the most popular one- CM. I wish there was like a regular station game mode on that server where it's thrown into the war of marines versus aliens fighting over a station just trying to work and live on a space station. they have the population to do it too. Could have three factions going on. Marines, Aliens, and the space station and it's crew which would include a traitor as well. Hell, could make it really fun and have the marines have a traitor, the aliens have a predator, and the station a traitor.

>>15902728

Honkette pls go

>>15904700

>Complains about being permaB&

>Doesn't say why

10 says you graytide way too much because you wanna be like the epic faggots who put shit about the game up on YT

>>15902016

CM ff is basically why I stopped playing in that server for so long then they added the retarded HEFA grenades that basically rapes Marines instead of the ayys

>>15903671

I think the sign of a server that gets the balance right, is determined by the lawyer /Detective role, since it encapsulates the struggle between RP and Just playing the game. Very rarely on a lot of servers is the court ever used, even in cases where the defendant could actually make a case for themselves. If lawyers aren't used correctly, detectives are really just shittier sec officers. And lawyers just end up being grey tide with worse access.

Unfortunately, the reality of the game makes most crimes open and shut cases, since most people, if caught, are caught in the act, and don't have much room for debating. Very VERY rarely is someone found out after the fact, or an innocent person sent to jail.

>>15899002

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GISnTECX8Eg

Fuck man I wasted so much of my life on this fucking game, I heard about it by chance on some autism forum in 2013, hopped onto BestRP because it was the most populous, got perma banned for beating myself to death with a crowbar and was hooked for 4 years straight.

Eventually I just got tired of all the playerbase BS/Admin shitterty in literally every server so quit cold turkey last spring, any nu!servers any good? and don't say paradise because last time I checked a couple of months ago fagox mckunt and his butt buddies were still running the place.

Miss this shit so much, Pizzastation was the best time ever.

>>15902016

Wew what serb is 2nd pic? Looks rad and I can't find shit over BYOND server list.

>>15899002

I stopped when our server died and all the other servers either became populated with furries or redditors.

>>15913535

Fucking this, I used to play religiously back in the day but now it's either CM, furfaggots, redditor auspies, high RP retards, low RP autism, and all sorts of shit.

I just wanna play Quartermaster and flood the station in paperwork, not deal with these niggers running around.

>get uploaded with "be cool" AI laws

>do cool shit all round for the crew, order bluespace artillery

>reboot because TGUI sucks ass and some retard thought integrating SS13 with features that require IE was actually a good idea

>oh shit retard in my upload

>tell him to leave

>he doesn't

>blast him before he can subvert anything

>Second AI suddenly decided to chime in and say HEY THAT WASN'T COOL I LET HIM IN

>Second AI I didn't know existed goes on to keep berating me for things he didn't tell me about

>open doors and drop defenses to let him get medical attention

>Still bwoinked and banned for 24 hours

>because I blasted some dude in my core rather than just tase him down with no laws except something as subjective as "be cool"

>told to read the rules

I wasn't even a dick I just blasted some faggot in my core trying to subvert us.

nu-tg admins can range from cool to absolute garbage I swear, I must have blasted this kids friend.

oh and to double post with a second part

>yesterday infamous powergameshit murders people and shocks doors

>with asimov and oxygen is toxic

>only thing that oxygen is toxic states is that humans need to breathe plasma of X amount of heat and oxygen is bad bad bad

>but works entirely off asimov

>not banned for doing this and gets right back on

>I get a 24hour for lasing this buttbuddy

It really makes me think.

>>15901934

You have a mental illness. I have forced perma upon myself on absolutely everywhere with a station over metafaggotry aside from hippie. Nobody likes your gay faggot shit aside from other gay faggots. You go have your little hugoff subhuman fantasy. As the niggers say, "You do you.".

>>15916192

>must have blasted this kids friend

This right here is why tg pisses me off. Special protection/support of obvious niggers can really ruin it for me.

Why would you ever spoiler that? Has a woman entirely lost their composure?

>>15916498

sorry, thought it was one of the chinese goreshit posts

>>15916192

Oh I got one for /tg/ as well.

>be pAI

>be told to greytide

>end up being put in a medbot and liggering everyone I can

>manage to release N20 by dragging canisters out and asking people to open it to "defeat a station wide infection"

>slipped people

>dragged important items about

>insulted everyone constantly

No bwoink.

>different round

>be pAI

>doctor spams everyone with the same message

>shortly after a guy blows up

>me being a dickwad immediately blame the doctor

>doctor scream she is innocent

>I scream that we need to remove her arms asap to send a message

>get bwoinked

>"please don't call for the lynching of others"

>Admin was actually chilled about it but still

I find it absurd really.

Sometimes I'm allowed to do utter chaos and mayhem, other times just saying certain things gets you bwoinked.

It really depends on who's on and how much players bitch.

>>15917025

except none of what you said is rulebreaking in any way.

>>15916404

You sound upset

tfw no serb

>>15917025

>>15917257

>"griefing" people involves being a rulesfag and baiting them

>this is somehow a problem to the wider playerbase

The absolute state of the game

>>15917352

>tfw no fngy

>>15913394

That's escalation/europe 1984

dickcord.gg/6mmf2jA

No games are planned until some time in January for now.

>>15901934

>no one ever plays security

That's because security is a fucking job. You don't get to do anything remotely interesting because its "fail rp" and you will get bwoinked because everyone whines to the admin as soon as they get apprehended (even if they were clearly breaking space law or being a greytide). Meanwhile engineering released the singularity for the third time today and nobody will get so much as a slap on the wrist.

>one time constructed over 9000 buttbots and tossed around 10 radio on them

And the whole serb lagged so hard they had to be baleted.

>>15917138

>except none of what you said is rulebreaking in any way

I remember getting bwoinked in another server for going "Sup, nigga?" as an alien when talking to a black lizard.

Tg station does have a degree of freedom other stations do not have.

>>15917257

not really, most servers have rules against grey tiding. you'd be actually liked for stopping them, outside the "sup nigger" thing which triggers normalfags. pizza prison was a good server, shame it's dead

Guess that Station!

>Their Rules: Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no'. If you are unsure what sexual content includes: do not refer to sex acts, genitalia, or anything sexual in nature. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. Yes, you can call people dicks and insult them with terms that are used normally, but don't use bigoted language. Yes, this includes the term 'trap'.

I'll give you a few guesses.

>>15922035

This is cleary goon

>>15909454

your assumptions are your own reward

This game died because you hate fun

>>15922043

Goons took themselves too seriously as an "internet movement" and aligned themselves with the political left in order to gain power and relevancy. A deal with the devil in the most classical sense.

someone make a god damn server fuck you

>>15927814

game is good, every server for it is shit

>para

>autismo HoP obsessed with extremely detailed paperwork

>be HONK

>swipe a sheet

>edit it so it demands any player applying for a job must meet the HoP in dorms within 5 minutes to ERP with them

>print a ton of copies, swipe with his original documents like the rainbow ninja I am

>everybody has a big laugh

>suddenly permabanned

>NO TOLERANCE ERP RULE

>meanwhile I've literally seen actual admins erping with furfags in dorms

I really don't understand this community.

>>15917660

What the fuck is it with the super robust catgirls that never say anything and instantly home in on antags the moment you fuck up their friend?

>>15932868

as a frequent security I can tell you nobody who plays catgirlshit is remotely robust or challenging to deal with, the most robust stick with true blue human and a mothgirl or two.

>>15917660

I want to that gator

>>15932969

>a rule that literally states the rule enforcers can just ignore rules when they want to

what a fucking joke. I wish the community wasn't so concentrated on a few servers so shitnuggets like this could actually care about not being complete cancer.

Is /tg/t still ass? I got perma'd there 3 years ago for busting in on an admin flirting with his HoS girlfriend and shaving her bald.

SS13 is dead until you can bring in the infamous 2hotdogs into your server and let him funpost in peace and plenty uninterrupted.

How does the air flow get simulated?

>>15917660

I honestly don't like the forced conversions at all. All that it does, is make people do something they 80% of the time don't really want to do, which breeds with it, people getting converted and then doing nothing. It also means that several antagonists (Revs/Cult/Xenos/spiders/slings) all have the same gameplay, just with slightly different flavors that I dont think really justifies their existence.

With cult, it should be about a small group of players slowly accruing powers by doing small objectives, and making pacts with demons to build themselves up and then finally spurning forth and putting their plans into motion, summoning nar'sie. Not just kidnapping a bunch of people, brainwashing them and then essentially just greytiding after that. Maybe allow people to join the cult willingly, but at some sort of cost. Maybe weakening the other members the more there are. Do you want a large cult, but with individual members being weak by themselves, but can be fearsome in number? Or do you want a cult that is few in number and thusly each cultist killed is quite a blow, but each member is powerful in their own right. These sorts of choices I think would lead to a much more interesting cult playstyle.

Revolutionaries should just be deleted from the game. As far as I can tell they're a far more boring version of cultists with a slightly different objective. Considering though that the cult usually murder bones the heads anyway. If you wanted to keep them in, you would have to do the same as cult, give them smaller objectives to complete at round start, and then slowly have them accrue power and the tools they need to take the station.

Xenos/Spiders are mostly fine with how they play, though I wish they weren't the exact same antagonist essentially. That, and limit the number of players who can respawn as an spider/xeno. It gets annoying that once the spiders/xenos take like, 20%of the crew down, the round is essentially over, since they both snowball incredibly hard, to the point of making it impossible for the crew to make a comeback.

And never fucking ever implement shadowlings.

>>15933292

from what I've seen they've gotten a bit more pissy. Guy got banned as santa when he TP'ed into the SM and walked one square backwards too far and destabilized it. If you've played santa you'd know there is almost zero visibility after you TP from all the smoke.

>>15933911

rev is fucking boring. I got banned from a server for going turn coat. got boinked by admin who thinks all revolutions have everyone on board, pointed to Benedict Arnold and the guy had no fucking clue who that was.

Another thing is revs don't try anything intresting to take control of the station, it's just PvP. No attempts to sabotage systems or hold the station for ransom, until their demands are met. It's always

>Flash a whole bunch of people

>sic em on sec and captain

>>15933911

id still really like to do my necromorphs idea but alas I only dabbled in spritework and was doing the tiberium shit which I dropped due to congested schedule in my life. I wont be able to resume on tiberium or necromorph shit anytime soon either, but I have enough time to make some dinky meme device like the daki pillows the autist twins put in.

>>15934951

Just like make Byond

>>15936039

what a massive waste of time are you retarded to even suggest such a thing wasting your own time when actually good single player games exist? jog off

>>15936874

>SS13 is only good with others

So that makes it a bad game

>>15936877

fuck off stupid

>>15936874

SS13 has a good story, it's worth it.

>>15899719

>Hippie

is that faggot Looping still an admin?

Daily reminder that if you play any other server besides /vg/ and hippie you're reddit trash and have to go back.

>play on 4chan's server or play on reddit's server or else you're Reddit trash and have to go back to 4chan

What a fucking retarded cuck

>>15938940

Daily reminder that if you play any server you're reddit trash and have to go back.

>>15933828

>God-Emperor Takara

That guy was on my steam friends for years until I cleared my list out recently. I didn't even know he played spess.

what a pathetic attempt to sow discontempt in the ss13 community.

Serb when?

Normalfag serb raid when?

>>15936039

I never got into toxins or atmos, telespace and comms due to their learning curve.

Feels shitty man. I wish I had a better memory when I binge ss13 but I can't help but wander around and rp.

>>15947569

comms got removed on many servers due to exploits that were discovered and the occasional mem leak, and telesci was removed because nobody could justify requiring trigonometry or an outside calculator just to steal the empty contraband locker from the armory after 30 minutes of waiting for the miners to bring diamond in.

>>15947620

It was still a good kek when that first buttcoin miner appeared.

Still a pity.

https://pastebin.com/FNgyH23a

>>15947620

I think simple stuff like filtering words or people could be built into comms, and then accessed via hacking.

>>15950086

so far pizza prison is the only server I'm not banned from and that's because no one really plays on it

>>15947493

the moment a bunch of people joined they'd get banned. Though you could probably get away with going engiineer and turning engineering into a massive fuck off maze, threaten to turn off the SM or overload it, or even better. Build your own station out in space in a corner of the map, then sabotage the main station

Hippie was better when it wasn't constant metagaming and worship of players and admins. Now it's just a shell that struggles to have more than the same 20 people playing it every round, doing the exact same shit.

>>15900198

Changelings are already OP, what is this bullshit?

>>15913419

It's been three years since I've been banned from CM for writing WGW on a piece of paper in permabrig and they still won't unban me because it's child porn and the FBI can bust down their server for it. lol

>>15950992

I'm pretty sure I'm still rollbanned for liason because I picked it one time and left without despawning.

>>15950248

>the moment a bunch of people joined they'd get banned

when has this stopped any of us before?

we will create a new way to by pass thier bans and we will destroy them all as a grey tide

Anyone remember that server that was around here like a year ago that had incorporated lifeweb code into a multi-level station that was dark as fuck?

I wish I still had that code.

>>15951755

The ruskie one with a moving ship that everyone in the thread went ape over and then got like a grand total of 5 regulars including me? Yeah I remember that. I fondly remember frantically taking dozens of screenshots as some anon handheld me through setting up the engines after I almost melted the core thing.

>>15951621

Pizza is the only one I've found where you can call people niggers freely. Technically you can (I think) on CM if it's what your character is about but be prepared to get bwoinked every time and only be able to do it once per play session.

>>15909811

Literally only in the game so you can suicide.

>>15952427

Yeah that was pretty rad but I was super busy at the time so I couldn't play much. Do you know the name of it or anything that could point me to the codebase?

I mean I've played other antags before but only as special events like blob or wizard, never from round start. That changeling round I remember a hilarious time where a guy just spawned in and I used the mute power and chased him around the cryo room with a toolbox until I beat him to death in a closet, because I didn't realize that death sting (which I had bought) was an all in one fuck-you button that still let you get that sweet DNA. Sorry whichever guy that was, I think it might have been the last strain I needed to complete objectives, unless that was the legless guy in the wheelchair.

>>15957013

Thanks for pointing me to it. I'll be fucking around in it to experience everything I missed out on and run it for some friends probably.

It'd be cool if we used it for an 8chan server again, at least for a little bit. I don't know enough about the game to be a good host and pick good admins so I couldn't do it.

>>15950075

I remember getting bwoinked after I picked up a beaker of blood that was sitting outside botany, then some crazy lady burst into botany, pushed me down, stripped me naked, threw all my stuff into the disposal and tried stuffing me in there for good measure.

I got up before she finished the job, slipped her on a banana peel, strangled her and disposaled her in revenge. Admin bwoinks me, saying she claims that was her blood beaker and I wasn't responding to my pda (like I read that shit). I ended up actually recieving a temp ban for defending myself against a lunatic and of course they got off scott-free.

>>15958792

>Someone does something odd

>Server normal grabs his gear(That was all in his backpack) and tries to screw up the person that MIGHT be wronging him while also writing the character name in the blacklist

>This is normal because 90%+ of the time its a griefer

>When its a newcomer the mod doesn't even check

Usual night at /tg/. Hopefully that server dies.

>>15952550

the last time I said NEGRO IGNORANT on CM I got bwoinked for it

>Ive said this only once and IC racism is not against the rule occasionally

>uh actually we are cracking down on that

>ok then your rules and forums better reflect that in some way, have a nice day

And then the betamale never responded.

nu-tg also allows nigger as much as you like and if you like dead servers past their prime, try hippie

>>15958477

>ClF3 bomb

I'm listening

Can anybody explain the lifeweeb lore? i still dont know if it's some sort of eldritch universe, a virtual reality or just a twisted future.

>>15959768

that reminds me

there was that time koriath put vapes into the game and you could put any chemical you want in it

and you could hack it to make smoke which you would also inhale at the same time which would actually put more chemicals into your body than the vape has because of how smoke works

you could use it to fill yourself or a monkey with blackpowder in like a minute or completely husk a corpse by putting a CIF3/phlog filled vape in its mouth

>>15959768

I remember putting monkeys in pools full of 800U of black powder, bashing some vodka over their head and hitting them with a lighter and then sending them the fuck away via telescience as fast as possible, the last thing people would see is some burning ape suddenly appearing into the room before that entire segment of the station vanished

>>15960821

i-i actually miss the vapes

>>15952427

>>15951755

Moving ships whit z-levels were also in baystation like in 2012 or 2013, the ruskie probably took them from early baystation.

>>15960783

>lifeweeb lore

There's no lore, it's just retarded shit.

The simple lore is the following: There's a forcefield covering the planet that prevents sun light from warming it, therefore it's a frozen wasteland up top and therefore everyone lives underground.

Everyone worships a religion where Christ is dead and you have to save him with fervent prayer.

Everyone but the Cultists, of course, who whorship Tzenoborg (or whatever it's written like), who wants to end all life to create an utopia afterwards.

There's a city with super technology (used solely for the convenience of introducing some characters) and remnants of a company that did evil experiments and space exploration, but nowadays everyone outside of said city lives in fortresses that are more feudal and medieval.

However…

The Cult? Strictly out of Blood, the pc game. From the deity they worship to the words they shout and some of the shit they do.

Over half of the world building? It's Arx Fatalis. Planet with a frozen atmosphere because something is covering the sky, humans living in a fortress underground, etc. Even the alchemy itself is practically the same.

The official religion is just badly copied Warhammer 40K with the emperor replaced with christ and you still have the super duper city that the players can't ever see but has a lot of tech and sends important dudes who totally aren't space marines to check on it.

The crazy slavers that you see popping up? Just the author taking a jab at muslims.

Lifeweb has no lore. Everything of note was taken strictly from some other game or something else and adapted to it and the rest are russian memes.

The few times the author has had an oportunity to do something original like coding The Old Ways (a Patreon goal), he didn't do jack shit.

If there's a codebase I wish was leaked or someone managed to steal it, Lifeweb would be it. Massive potential for roleplaying wasted on meme players that like to pretend they like roleplaying and held back by a codebase that won't change because "obtuse design is good design, just ask questions on Discord!"

>>15960784

Just to clarify it: Koriath added pools that could hold any liquid to replace the static pool icons that we had before and really did nothing at all. Vaping was a /tg/ thing (or some other server, I dunno really)

The issue you speak about actually wasn't due to the pools and was present in the game for a very long time already, it's just that nobody noticed or cared about until someone decided to make a Black Powder Pool and the results were far more explosive than expected.

The funny guy then went on to colaborate with the coders in a short investigation about what just happened and here's what they discovered:

Smoke clouds that have chemicals in them inject new chemicals into everyone inside of them every tick without actually spending any and for as long as the smoke lasts.

The test was a simple sugar grenade (sugar makes you unconscious if it goes above a certain value) and in less than 3 seconds of exposition in an enclosed space (so he was covered by every cloud generated by the grenade) he reached 1000u of Sugar in his blood. This would easily keep someone uncoscious for a whole round.

The entiraction with the pools was that they were coded to receive chemicals much like everyone else, just dump a beaker in them to fill. This meant that they could get chemicals from smoke clouds as well, but due to the mentioned unkown bug with the smoke, they'd easily fill up to the cap of whatever chemical was present in the smoke in a few seconds.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think that was patched either by making pools immune to smoke or by making smoke clouds consume their chemicals when trasfering and thus even ending sooner, with no extra chemicals created.

TL;DR Chemistry is a shitty department with a lot of broken shit that nobody ever bothers to fix because everyone likes to cook up overpowered crap in a few seconds and half the game is chemistry anyway.

>>15951755

Probably Interbay

>>15963568

Another good shit you can do with vape and e-cigs is that you can't OD on Synthflesh (Heals burn and brute, heals by contact and smoke). You can get up to 1000 units of synthflesh in your body and become immortal for the most part.

>>15963568

Well I mean thermite in a spray bottle is a time-delayed captain's spare that can even get through reinforced walls so I'd say I have to agree.

>>15963910

I'll be honest, I don't like Chemistry one bit. And it's not simply because it's overpowered but because it doesn't mesh well with the rest of the game at all.

Genetics has to perform "research", which is fiddling with RNG in 3 separate layers. First to figure what each gene is, Second to cook an injector with all the powers and Thirdly, re-rolling injectors until all the powers you want are activated. And despite this, /tg/ also made them temporary, last time I checked.

Meanwhile, Chemistry has no RNG.

R&D has a long setup until they can make bombs that have a cap on them anyway and look so suspicious that only traitor scientists or griefers ever make them.

Meanwhile, there are many mixtures in chemistry available from the start with no cap that you can even put in a pocket as a grenade and nobody even suspects you're making them.

Botany (and the Kitchen) require several materials to perform their job and their job cycle encourages actually producing them. You'll have to play with the seed RNG and learn how to manipulate it, making plants to produce more advanced stuff later on and Kitchen needs you to produce things for them.

Chemistry meanwhile has about 80% of what it needs from round start, with ample regenerative supply and the rest is someone else's job to procure.

It's a department that works by rules that no other department works by, that gets flashier stuff with no RNG in a very short amount of time and work.

It's the shitter department for easy gratification, but it makes you feel like you're skilled when you're just following cooking recipes. The more advanced stuff relies on meta fuckery, like knowing that 1u+1u of different poisons is far more letal than 2u of poison since it deals damage twice per tick.

Worst of all, there's a lot that can't be changed since so many departments depend on it. Medbay is basically "apply chemistry to heal!", cooking and Hydro also, especially for unstable mutagen, grenades for Security are made in Chemistry for whatever reason,etc.

The "best" attempts at it were just "what if we add some busywork with temperature and catalysts? That will do it!" but they never do since it's always still easier and more available than fucking around with RNG.

If anything, the biggest issue is the ChemMaster simply creating chemicals from electrical energy. It would be far better to just put in Chemical Jar from System Shock 2 that can carry 200u of a single chemical and have several at round start in a chemical closet for Chemistry.

Based on the chemicals that are available, you can easily change what can be done right at round start, especially if recipes are tweaked to account for this. Actually dangerous or advanced stuff would require adquiring better chemicals, either from scavenging around the station, mining or ordering from QM.

For instance, making Clonexadone at roundstart is stupid, it should start with just normal healing chems, then move to Cryoxadone with some advanced chems you can order or scavenge and then Clonexadone with stuff you'd have to mine or pay a lot to get.

You could even put a Sulfuric Acid Jar in R&D and Robotics so they don't have to beg for it to print circuits or rush a ChemMaster themselves.

fuck it

you faggots want a temporary serb?

i can provide a temporary serb.

byond://217.43.49.47:7272

i'll be around for a few hours to administrate incase of vile griffons, too.

>>15963998

>If anything, the biggest issue is the ChemMaster simply creating chemicals from electrical energy. It would be far better to just put in Chemical Jar from System Shock 2 that can carry 200u of a single chemical and have several at round start in a chemical closet for Chemistry.

This but with entire tanks of various stable chemicals (requiring an actual room that can be griefed or stolen from as opposed to a single tile), and reactions can be performed to isolate certain elements or compounds and most reactions will result in 2 substances being in the same beaker. Then you take it to a centrifuge to separate out the heaviest substance, one at a time. Once the vats are empty, that's it. Chemistry can get more vats from cargo and botany should be able to provide a wide variety of chemicals as well. Thus there should also be enough chemical compounds and reactions to create all the current functional chemicals in the game. Therefore, chemistry still shouldn't have RNG, but it should be actual chemistry because autism and balance. Basically chemistry's setup each round would be trying to isolate pure elements/easy reagents for the things they know they're going to want to make, so that when requests come in they can cook it up fast.

>>15964068

codebase i'm hosting just has all the chems in jars rather than a chemmaster, interested?

>>15964079

Now I'm interested. What codebase is it? Also, do you have the anon CKeys code or want it?

>>15964085

Not really sure if anon ckeys will work but the coder basically said don't release the code until he's done with what he's doing with it

>>15964085

sage for doublepost but it's essentially a newer version of interbay.

>>15964079

>>15964091

>>15964018

My client won't connect. :/

>>15964098

fuck it might have gotten fucked in regards to portforwarding

please hold

>>15964098

try now i guess

>>15964018

>5 people

I suppose its starting.

>>15964089

So it's closed source? That's a bummer, hope it's not like that forever.

Still, if your coder wants to implement anon CKey's, it's really not that hard. There's about 3-4 files to change with a few lines each, at least in other codebases. If he can't be arsed, just put it in a pastebin and I'll provided the changed lines.

>>15963998

Currenty Baystation has this. You need chemical refills once said chemical runs out, you can order them in cargo. Sadly, current SEV Torch baystation is a borefest.

>>15964203

Forgot to add that other Baycode server also have this. I think Persistent Station also has this system.

>>15964209

Persistent station is nice but a head mod is a feminist, take that as you will.

it's ogre for now, i've got people to annoy.

What servers are good these days? I feel bad for missing this game's heyday. Every server I've tried is either littered with furfags or has no roleplaying.

>>15971630

It's all memes. SS13 was never good.

However, the fun comes from shitposting, doing grand things, and just generally being a lad about it. Every server will in fact be super RP autism or extreme powergaming, with no inbetween.

I remember when a number of our players moved to other servers and it took two normalfags over there over a minute and a half to hack a door open. Anon could of course do it in under 6 seconds and just blitzed through shit.

There's still a CEV Eris serb up from a couple of threads ago. Immerse yourself in lowpop autism if you so please.

byond://ss13.net.link:44449

>>15973129

Fuck, I doublechecked snd still managed to fuck up the IP.

byond://ss13.neet.link:44449

>>15973397

I could but only when they start linking to matches outside of the discord.

Then again I last checked in early 2018 so they probably did.

Aurora isn't bad if you like HRP it does an alright job of balancing gameplay and RP relatively atleast

>>15973765

Tried it, turns out I don't like HRP. Had 40 people but felt like it had 10. Way too slow and boring.

howdy ho, this is the anon who hosted a server before. me and the neet.link anon are gonna be hosting interbay iteration whatever the fuck on his dedicated serb.

byond://ss13.neet.link:44449

>>15977484

Get in here.

>go to sybil due to bagil outage

>get this weird HRP feeling just walking around

>50% of the crew, including heads of staff are voluntary lizards

>no moths, ethereals, felinids, or plasmamen.

>Just lizards

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be a smells-the-feet story waiting to happen.

>>15977653

>smells-the-feet

Fuck, don't remind me.

>>15977653

>>15988211

What's this about liggers?

>>15988299

>fngy

>>15951621

I'd go for /tg/. You can easily call people niggers on /tg/ plus they have lava planet plus a lot of new cool mechanics plus the population is quite healthy sporting three servers plus an aliens server. I haven't played on /vg/ in a long while but I'll give it a go again.

>play tg for the first time in years

>liggers everywhere

>braaphogs everywhere

>video games nowhere

>>15990357

tgstation died when the horsefucker plague began, never went back when an admin made one of the disaster events ponyfag themed.

>>15902016

Looks like a multiplayer CDDA, any activity recently?

>>15988576

>The server would vote 70 - 1 for removing a rule.

>We are serving the server by maintaining an overwhelmingly unsupported rule by the staff's own estimation.

Fucking YogStation.

>>15993342

Because the narcissists and power-hungry are typically the ones that vie for leadership positions the most, while chill guys and the like are fine without or actively don't want to be in power. At least, that's the best explanation I can come up with. Cliche dynamics and nepotism clearly are a factor too.

>>15959768

I had a few good rounds when pools were introduced and holding the station hostage. I do recall copying it off someone, so I added my own variant of it by asking for three things: a laser, a warm meal and a dakimakura. Eventually I'd just blow myself up.

>>15993438

This right here is why all societies, virtual and real, inevitably fail.

>>15993530

I actually think we'd be better off with randomly selected (with a few basic criteria) leaders. At least then we wouldn't be specifically selecting for the worst possible qualities, even before considering the corruption and manipulation that goes on.

>>15994082

People vote for whoever they are told to vote for, doesn't matter if it's on a local or federal level it's the same problem. Politicians know how easy it is to manipulate the voters, so they serve the ones who do the manipulating, rather than the people who do the voting. The end result is a system that selects for the most corrupt candidates possible because that is exactly what you have to be in order to get elected.

>>15994053

Someone post the screencaps of S'Arais goon account. That's how we know.

Being the admin of Nox isn't some grand achievement. All you gotta do is pander to the majority for easy popularity and do absolutely no moderation. Everyone remembers an admin when they stop what you're doing. Nobody remembers admins that don't do anything.

>furry catniggers whining about their immulshun as skeletons beat them to death

You are seriously going to use this as a good example of moderation? It's precisely what I said, appealing to the majority of players (anti-furries skeleton memers) while not stopping them from griefing as much as they want.

Wanna know why it's incredibly stupid? Because it means that there's content in the game (the cat race) that you're not supposed to use under normal circunstances unless you want to bait someone or chalenge yourself like reading WGW.

It effectively removes choices from the players when you tell them "You die if you pick this", which is already bad on it's own but it gets worse.

After a while, the catniggers will either leave the server (and thus you lose players) or they pick something else. Now you have no catniggers, but a legion of autists looking for targets, and when they have none, they make some.

This kind of moderation breeds a playerbase that does nothing but act like insufferable cunts to everyone else for their own amusement and the only way the admins can endure it is because they aren't even expected to do anything to begin with.

And it's not like it works anyway, last I checked, Nox was terminated.

TL;DR: Making SS13 into Spess Battle Royale is the kind of shit that appeals to underage shitters only, not an actually good way to run a server. If they had a map for Fortnite aboard a space station, you'd be all over that shit.

ss13 stopped being fun when i stopped taking opiates and could no longer tolerate the community

WHat can you tell me about Hippiestation? the admin is a youtuber that griefs in garrys mod

>>15938940

>Hippie

What do you think of their new host having another meltdown the other day?

>>16000665

basically everyone just powergames, it gets real boring. Especially since every round is either gang wars or revs.

>>15995757

This, the same can be said for any game really when admins are more worried about being seen as the cool kid than anything. The original spirit was basically a game about life on a space station where anything could happen. Like any game, someone made a entertaining video, put it on YT and shitters come in trying to recreate it. Had the same shit happen in Barotrauma, faggots kept trying to inject husks eggs into people because Criken had it in his videos. That's not to say you can't do stupid shit that fucks people over, it's that it breeds copy cats who aren't original and never try to do anything interesting because "That's not how THEY did it"

I just play Stationeers because singleplayer SS13 is the best.

>>16002223

How is that game by the way and do you have a magnet/hash? I want me some wiring autism.

>>16002295

>>15953947

>>15973361

there are no good servers, they're all shit

I loved SS13 but it has been destroyed by autists who don't understand that they are playing a videogame and videogames are supposed to be fun.

Imo owners should no-warning purge all their moderation staff every few weeks/months in order to stop the powertrippers from feeling comfortable.

>>16017837

Do these do anything mechanically?

>>16017837

What serb or codebase?

Asking for >>16019679

>>16017837

I'd foot grind their face, and hope they sit on mine

>>16025341

Bad Deathclaw. We had a round that had zombies and xenos, it was fun.

>>15988590

I've been playing on /vg/ for the last two months of 2018 and saying nigger is no problem. There were frequent bridge announcements like "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER", too. The admins are chill, too, unless you're griffing very obviously.

>>16025851

>The admins are chill, too, unless you're griffing very obviously

nigger

>>15899670

Para literally bans people for fursecution. Don't go to para.

I fucking hate yog station so much. I got a 99 year ban for saying “Huh, that sounds pretty gay bro.” Went back and forth with the badmins until eventually they told me to go back to r/the_donaldPlease fucking kill me.

I cannot play any more because I have some wierd graphical glitch where all of the textures are FUBAR with everything being painted in this green/blue hue. I think it has something to do with shadows but I am not sure anymore. I have uninstalled and reinstalled byond and ss13 100 times and still cannot seem to fix the issue.

>>15900999

Used to play on hippie, was one of the few people who actually were deticated sec and would ussually roll warden. My modus operandi was to just send prisoners to the mining colony after they comitted a murder or four as that was the only way to prevent players from managing to break out of perma.

>>15899778

Any time I come across a station where they roll furries I know I am in for an autistic treat. Roll bar tender and declare to the station that your bar is for only the pure and untainted humans. Proceed to barricade yourself in the bar and watch as half of the station will wage literal war on the bar until either the admins step in or the traitors finally nuke the station.

>>15899754

:3 do you want to ERP with me?

*I paw your thigh and you moan*

>>15916192

>Reddit admins

>2nd AI

Color me surprised

>>16017837

I remember I played on Fallout Station and got literally butt raped by a brotherhood of steel faggot, stole his plasma rifle then was banned because NCR shouldn’t be allowed to use Plasma.

>>16025851

>Basing a server's quality on whether or not you can say a naughty word

Single issue voter mentality right there

>>16050404

>Confusing their for they're

Leaving that aside, /tg/ round quality depends on the server population, 45+ people inside a round ends up being a clusterfuck.

>given up playing months ago

>still shitpost with cunts in irc/dicksword/byond chat

Mods have killed the game.

I'm buddies with a bunch of the old guard mods from various servers, and they cause so much drama for the sake of pissing off the furry mods it's insane.

Pretty much every drama in the last few years has been caused by a close group of like 8-10 people, including CM/Apop, Goon leaks, Para log dumps etc.

Also goofball from /tg/, he codes like a madman so they don't kick him, but the admins hate how much he openly flaunts his discontent with the way they run the server.

If they got rid of the furries and hugboxes the game would be perfect, instead the few competent developers (who are faggots themselves, but at least they could code) decided to jump ship and make their own copies of the game that will never work.

Looking out for CEV Eris and Star Trek 13, though.

CEV is meant to be moderation more like LifeFag, but a bunch of the English mods are furries and pedos, while the Russians just ignore them.

Star Trek 13 got a major overhaul a few weeks ago that dropped shit to ship and instead gave it a DS9 style station with the optional ship to ship stuff, so that's interesting and gets frequent and large updates, but still waiting for it to be ironed out before I invest too much into it.

>>15899002

Yes. Sometimes. On russian servers though. ss13.ru and such. tg build is best build

>>15899645

>for what it is

It's a space asshole murderfest simulator.

>builds without a primary singularity engine

HAH, GHEYYYYYYYYY

>>16050404

Was it /vg/ or /tg/ that implemented ZAS?

When I heard it was coming I hyper-pressurized escape with volume pumps and the vents set to 4k+ pressure at escape. I knew what BAYstation atmos code was like with a pressure loss but I didn't expect to see people getting thrown clear down the hallway and then stupidly keep trying only to get thrown almost back to center so many times.

>>16051393

/tg/ has ZAS. Not sure about other servers, beyond Paradise who was the first big one to use it.

>>16051275

Flame the furry faggots

>Thread is a month old

>Still no /v/ serb

Why are we here, just to suffer?

>>16051762

What's the point?

10 fags will join, but only 5 at a time. They'll complain about low-pop but spend more time in the thread than in the game.

One fag will decide he can only have fun if he makes the other 4 miserable, get banned and shitpost about it afterwards.

Then the remaining will get bored and leave for other stations\videogames.

Most people asking for a server tend to have been banned from literally everywhere else but they won't ever change whatever behavior got them banned, relying on the "mods" scapegoat every single time. Taking the trouble of hosting a server just to entertain these kind of faggots makes no sense. Everyone else already has their place anyway.

>>16056022

Having been on almost literally every /v/ serb, you're full of shit.There's no other group of SS13 players I've seen or heard about that cooperates and generally acts not-shittily as us. And hell, before the last two failures, we were hitting upwards of 10, maybe 20 people for multiple hours, especially when the server was public. Personally, I refuse to play on anything other than an 8/v/ server because all the others are full of redditors, furfags and tryhards. Why bother playing the game if you have to be constantly reminded that you're surrounded by probably literal soyboys and trannies that have a meltdown if you say 'negro', let alone nigger, and constantly spam reddit memes.

>>16056337

why not ask the dragonball/v/fags for a gamenight

>>16056404

Oh whoops, didn't mean to direct that to you, just in general

>>15973397

Used to play corporate mercenary basically whenever their tests would go up. It was pretty fun, just a fuckin unending rampage of ultraviolence.

I've personally stopped though because oh my fucking god the lag. While it's not as turn-based as it sometimes was, it can still get pretty irritating. Plus, they made this really atrocious movement system that doesn't use a grid like usual, and I feel like they're falling into that colonial-marines kind of trend of increasingly buffing xenos, though they at least haven't gone crazy nerfing mercs.

Don't be dissuaded from trying it out though, you may well find it super fun. I personally love the variety of gear and weapons for mercs, the freedom of the game as a whole, and THE FUCKING DROPSHIPS. 4real man, the dropships and drop pods are incredible, you can have some amazing fun piloting one of the planes.

>>16056337

we actually hit 40 on pizza when it went public

I think that was around the time we had that really really fucked up station with like 5 blobs.

>>16056523

why not bring it back public after a gamenight and let it stay that way?

>>16056337

>>16058803

seconding this

>>16058803

I don't think you can really throw up a server, aiming to get big numbers without admins on deck and a good base pop. I mean, maybe you could for a couple shifts if you're lucky but there's definitely no way to maintain anything with those kinds of numbers. Retaining players would be hard as the old 8ch regulars would probably be pretty merciless.

I play fuzz on nu-tg bagil, and if you niggers set up a no-admin server I will join as sec and enact spacelaw-legal horrors upon the shittertide such as colonial marines tier brigging for repeated niggery. Infact we should all sectide and bring justice to an otherwise adminless station, it would be fun.

>>16059418

I'd rather try to play and be creative with how shit spirals out of control then people power gaming and constant rev and shitcurity

>>16059104

I don't expect it to frequently get big numbers, it's best to open it during the weekends and make an event.

/r/ing the Europe 1984 discord invite. Some anon posted a while ago in the videogame thread in /k/ but both of those invites already expired.

>>16077568

>First thing I find is some anime pfp with the name hentai girl getting triggered over a goblin slayer picture

>>16077615

>Expecting anything good to come out of NVA players

>>16047933

>attempt to do exactly this, a humans only bar on Para

>admins ban me for racism

>racism against species that don't even fucking exist

>>16077704

I thought you were allowed to be racist against non-humans, but you're not allowed to say the dreaded N-Word.

Are there any ss13 stations not infested with furries that have more than 10 players on at a time?

>>16077704

Found out today that I am banned on para for calling someone “mah ligga”

I have been fantasizing for the past hour about a group of about five guys all running around with voice chat purging the furrfaggots

>>16077704

Still cannot get over the fucking faggotry that has become space station. Even my perma ban message was written like some zealot who had their religion defamed.

>>16090756

I honestly hope some streamer comes along and deals the final death blow to the whole affair. Most admins deserve explosive ulcers.

>>16090832

This time last year I used to lot onto hippie and it would have 30-50 people. Now at most it has 10 people.

I remember once upon a time where it would have like 90 people on it but now the only populated servers are full of cringey fucking cat girls and autistic admins who are ban hungry.

I just want my favorite game back /v/ It used to be so much fun to play and now I have to walk around tip toeing on eggshells. You cannot even defend yourself against greytide without getting a bwoink.

>>16093323

Well that explains alot

>>16093290

We should flood pizza prison this friday

>>16056337

>he doesn't remember the drama that plagued almost every ss13 thread

You're either lying to yourself, or part of the metaclique that ruined 8ch's SS13 community. The reason we lost any chance of highpop was the fact that nobody wanted to moderate the flaming pile of shit that would result from this community playing SS13. We literally had one autist who would come on at 4am, get antag, murderbone everyone, and then kill everyone who spawned in over the course of 5-8 hours until the 3 admins who didn't quit after being bombarded with complaints over "bad adminning" by the people who think yelling 'gas the jews' before beating someone to death with a toolbox for no reason and leaving them in maint is somehow the peak of comedy and gameplay.

>>16094407

>Randomly showing up on a server for game night.

Because fuck organization.

>TGSM now has anti bigotry rules

Its fucking dead jim.

>>16097257

catshitters on tg can be fucked with by shining a laser pointer near them, so theres that.

>>16097257

Lizards should need to be warm so prioritizing wearing lots of layers and avoiding the cold. Give them a lower cold tolerance than humans but not as much as plant people.

>>16096310

This is a problem with 8ch in general. You NEED basic rules on the ground to attract bodies, but the autists don't understand this and screech and scream till their will be done. The autists will always demand you let them do whatever or else it's "rule cucking". And I agree, admins need to be a bit removed and need to understand that they need to do shit that might run against the grain of what they like.

Personally I wouldn't mind being an admin on the server

>>16097241

Whats TGSM?

>>16097335

>you NEED basic rules on the ground to attract bodies

I've been thinking about this for quite a while.

Here's the points I thought about:

>We need admins

>Admins need to be anonymous

>we need a set of rules

BUT

<Admins are faggots

<being anonymous = not accountable

<noone agrees on the ruleset

So, my first solution for the first problem was "let's just automate a bot, a sort of Robot9000 that oversees rounds and bans/punishes players for breaking rules.

This however has two major problems:

For a start, a bot moderator sucks major dick at actually moderating. Colonial Marines is good evidence.

Secondly, it doesn't solve the ruleset dillema.

Thus, I've come up with a different idea. And looking at the code, it wouldn't be that hard to cook up, since it's just another sub-system you hook on the roundstart code and let run till round end.

Imagine we had Bot Moderators, but each one followed a diferent sort of rules. They get picked in the same way round types are picked: randomly. Then, they announce the ruleset at round start.

Each diferent ruleset would have the bot monitor players for very specific rules, and enforce them. Not with bans/kicks, but with harsh punishements. Turning people into CLWN's. Making them hallucinate.

Causing their head to explode. Becoming a farm animal. Being automatically demoted.

A couple examples:

>The Grounds Keeper

<breaking tiles/walls (unless your an engineer) is an offense

<littering (dropping/throwing items that don't land on top of desks) is an offense

<even bleeding on the floor is an offense

<punishement is being downgraded to Janitor. Or having a janitor cart chained to you.

>The Executive

<cargo has to export X units every couple minutes

<otherwise eveyone on board gets an electro shock

>Dr. Eisenstein

<any vandalism on the science department is a serious offense

<scientists must deliver backups of disks containing research bit a special terminal every couple minutes (until they finish research)

<punishment ranges from loosing gravity (whole crew), loosing power in your department (diverting more power to science) or being teleported randomly (often, to space)

>General Peacekeeper

<If anyone dies, every crewmember within 5 tiles is considered guilty

<the murderer is guilty for murdering, the rest are guilty for not stopping him

<ED's are steadly "sumonned" to the station, arrest people marked by the bot

<prisioner torture is rewarded with donuts if performed in Sec department

LAstly, each Ruleset Bot could change the round in other ways. Like forcing the AI to start with Tyrant lawset, removing supplies from a department, anything, you name it.

Best of all, if someone codes it to be modular, we could have anons coming up with more rulesets to add and either remove or tweak the one's we don't like.

Notice for instance that, when the game rolled the first two rulesets, you'd know two things: you're now in danger, since nothing protects you from murdering lunatics, and you'd only be considered usefull if you could appease the bot.

I'd then throw in a Respawn timer (varies from bot to bot) and leave the server running, open to the public with no admins besides someone to provide tech support and keep it going without meddlng in the rounds.

I basically stole the idea from Rimworld's narrrators, and with the proper combination of Bot + Round type, we could have some interesting stories.

I would like them to talk and announce things over common radio too.

>>16097409

Btw, before someone points out that those examples are dumb: they're dumb yeah. Just a simple demonstration.

The in-Lore idea is that instead of Space Gods (admins) we get an Higher Up back at Centcomm overseeing the station. They could have names and everything, and periodically comunicate with the crew, either by common radio or just teleporting in supplies/items.

Since *pray would also stop being a thing, I'd introduce a system very similar to this for Space Gods: at round start 1 (or maybe 2-3) God(s) are chosen to be active that round. The chaplain might either choose one or contact him and discern which is it. When you *pray, you activater a random power from that God which might be dangerous if you don't know which god is active. Also consumes favor that you get by performing rituals for each god: A Jewish god would require sacrificing shekels, a miner good would want minerals, and a peace god would simply want candles burning. Making offerings and paying attention to the reaction would be the primary way to determine which Gods are active. Kinda of a cult but for the crew, I suppose.

>>16097133

>discord is the only way you can communicate or organize anything

BACK to >>>/cuckchan/

>>16097409

That would kill a server just as fast. Basically it would cause issues if shit happened in a legitimate accidental situation. People want shitters punished and people either playing or dicking around to be let live (lest they're trying to break rules)

I say take /tg/'s ruleset and modify it, again I'd say look for anons that could actually deal with shit

>>16097436

Hence, the respawn timer, I'd wager.

I can see that shit turning into deathmatch quite quickly: someone kills a shitter, shitter waits the 10-15 minute, gets back in, tries to fuck the other guys shit up. It will end up escalating until something explodes, power goes to shit and the AI has borked laws whjile monekys are running around.

So, pretty much your regular SS13 round, with an higher body count.

As a mainly Chef player, I fully support littering the station with corpses.

On a more serious tone, I'd agree with the "ruleset" thing, but with a couple tweaks: "crimes" and other punishable thing should only be registered if you're within sight of a camera. Makes sense IC, and gives those things another use besides AI voyerism.

Along with that, instead of "do crime, head blows up", use the wanted system that is barely used nowadays. Shit could be like the star levels in GTA: do a crime in front of a camera, you get a Wanted tag that savvy players can clear. Do even more serious shit, you get a "Terminate" tag. Not sure if automating security with ED's is a great idea, but could work if they dragged people to prison or some sort of thing. Maybe teleport or whatnot.

Besides that, those rulesets look imperfect, and that might actually be a good thing. Just like Asimov Laws are imperfect for the sake of storytelling, having imperfect rulesets can lead to some interesting shittery (as oposed to the same old tired shittery). Like trying to murder people without being near them so the AI doesn't flag you as a murderer, or trying to optimize profits because you don't want to be shocked. Could work, I guess. I honestly don't see a human Admin working for 8ch.

Plus, would be something unique to set us apart from the other public stations. Just name it R9K station, half of our players frequent that board anyway.

https://www.strawpoll.me/17396388

And to contribute to greentext, since that was always the highlight of the threads to me:

>play on random public server couple months ago

>4 sec officers on station

>great, pick warden, I can be a lazy piece of shit

>get to sec, there's a prisioner already

>check contraband locker, and wow, an actual traitor this time

>chitchat with him, he's a chill dude, knows he lost the round

>come up with hilarious prank: give him a laser tag gun

>fellow officer comes by to restock on flashbangs (fuckers abused them like hell)

>passes by traitor, stop to check him

>traitor opens "fire" on him

>officer freaks out, flashbangs against the window, goes down

>traitor keeps "firing" and laughing

>officer gets up, fires single laser LETHAL shot

>"Hey man, that's abuse, I'm getting the captain"

>he gets reprimanded for abusing his power by the captain

>leaves with 5 flashbangs, takes out his frustration on the bar (according to radio chatter)

>keep chatting with the traitor

>he was found out by a greytide valid hunter

>well that sucks, I hate faggots like that, break the spirit of the game, blah blah blah

>OH FUCK, valid hunter was arrested! Tried to validhunt someone that actually wasn't traitor

>traitor calls me over

>"So, I know where this briefcase of cash is… favour for favour?"

>go to crewquarters, he actually called in the briefcase with cash with his TC

>I respect traitors that do so because it's an effort to RP

>take the cash with me, ask him what he needs

>"I wanna talk to that guy there"

>say no more, take him to perma prison

>go up to the other guy, he's fuming mad, insults me as soon as I get near

>"You're getting transfered"

>"WHAT THE FUCK, YOU PIECE OF SHIT, YOU CAN'T PERMA ME, SHITTER, YOU MOTHERFUCKER"

>tell him his cell needs to be clean by a janitor, and it's only temporary

>screaming the entire time I stuff him into perma

>sees the traitor inside

>screams like a madmen as I go back to my donuts

>2 minutes later I go back

>Oh no, a corpse, that sucks. How could this happen?

>call the captain because there's no HoS

>captain wants him executed by lethal injection

>get an idea that would only work if the guy is good at RP

>get lethal seringe, inject it into a twinkie, fill it with soda

>bing the "lethal kit" to the captain

>captain brings the traitor, I use a /me comand to smile at him

>hopefully he gets the idea

>captain injects

>he doesn't react for a good 3-4 seconds

>thenhe uses the /me command to fake death

>I pick up the health scanner, "Welp, dead as dust, captain!"

>captain goes away, give prisioner new set of clothes and a mask.

>he later managed to steal an injector and change identity.

>didn't even pursue his objectives anymore, he accepted defeat like a good sport

Now here's where things went to shit and I got a full 10 minutes of bowinks going back and forth

>valid hunter ghosted us, got salty as fuck, started ahelping

>admins chalked it up to "prison violence" and said I was imcompetent but not breaking rules

>after the fake death thing, valid hunter goes nuts, spams ahelp as much as possible

>admins getting sick of it, start getting pissed at me too, suspect metagaming

>tell them he roleplayed with the briefcase and I thought that was rather neat

>tell them I thought helping him escape was a great story for both of us that harmed no one

>got lucky on this one, if he DID cause trouble, it would have been on me

>tell them the valid hunter is a shitter that deserves crap like this

>while this is going, valid hunter gets to be an alien

>evolves, gets that "human speech" thing

>asks to speak with the captain

>rats me out

>captain wants to arrest me, but has no proof. Tell him I want a trial

>captain is trying to balance a Trial with an Ayy invasion

>decides to shoot me and end the matter, I'll be cloned later after the crisis passes

>ahelp it, admin relunctantly agrees that yeah, that was rather shit

>I can see the captain stopping every few seconds, probably typing to respond to bwoinks

>tell the admin that he doesn't need to ban him, just give me an Ayy queen, since that's what the Cap wants to fight

>Two ayy Queens, 6 nests and we ended up with 16 ayys on the station

>captain hide like a little bitch in an escape pod till the end

>one of my hunters drags a fuel tank, spits acid on it and blows the faggot to smithreens

The admins were kinda passive and sort of inept at this, but I was reminded that no matter how bad an admin might be, they'll never be as bad as the fucking valid hunters. Not only is it rare for admins to fuck with rounds, theyalso don't get this fucking salty (usually anyway). Weird server too: ahelp reponses didn't have the name of the admin, just a big bold "Admin" I could click to respond. Maybe that was his actual name, or they had some kind of anonymizer too.

Thread makes me want to play again, what server to pick that isn't either metagaming shit or furfaggotry?

>>16098875

Everything hubbed is pozzed and a good rule of thumb is to just pick anything that isn't the top 5.

>>16098896

>>16098897

Fuck everything

>>16098896

oh,

i just joined paradise because i used to get away with the best shit and the tastiest salt was always overflowing

theres a goddamn privacy document agreement thing about how they collect data and might sell it

GG

game over faggets

>>16098787

>respawning

ruins the fun honestly. again to have good admins you'd need a type of "no fun allowed" autist that can actually follow out the rules, I'd even suggest bringing in normalfags as admins but only under the agreement that they aren't allowed to backseat drive, nothing sucks more when you've got something funny going and suddenly get boinked by an admin who is watching you the entire time becuase he didn't like what you did personally, server rules be damned

>>16099087

I'v never understood how these things can happen. How does a game go from fun and do-whatever to "Rethink your jokes or face a time-out"?

>>16099087

>COMMUNITY MANAGER

Why are all community managers a joke, /v/?

>Want to try playing this

>Don't know how, where and on which server so i won't get shitted for my lack of skill or knowledge

>>16099487

I'd pick a empty station like fulp or pizza prison to practice in. That way you don't run the risk of angering some admin that is looking to ban anyone that dares upset their erp session

>>16099487

/tg/ is responsibility-free if you join as assistant and can be as retarded as you want

https://tgstation13.org/

>>16098918

8ch servers suck because moderators eventually go on powertrips and start fucking with the rounds whenever it pleases them.

>>16099538

what if we do the Jew thing and manipulate normalfags as admins? set up rules that basically mean unless someone is full on murderbonering the station the admins can't step in for shit like "raycism" and other gay shit

>>16099538

Can't say I've seen it happen, if I have then it was good-natured shit on gamenights. What you said sounds a lot more like /tg/, "let's frequently play shitty music and replace the tilesets with Minecraft."

>>16099554

No, it happens.

I remember someone especially bad was Derflammenwerfer or something similar, who basically made himself invulnerable and went "I am a military cyborg =)", full on snowflake mode.

Once I was an AI and was obviously annoyed at him because he was acting as if he was acting Captain, found out he was on godmode because the tasers in my AI chamber didn't stun him even though they hit, same for the lasers.

Then there was the server owner who was pretty chill at first but then was doing meta grudges and if a traitor was someone he didn't like he would just disregard the round and start aliens, ninjas or something, often with the sole purpose to fuck with the traitor and run their greentext.

8ch servers are good at first but they always fall apart eventually because the wrong people get in power.

>>16099553

/tg/ is pretty liberating in that somewhat.

The admins there tend to be either polite or borderline incompetent, plus peer pressure plays out a lot.

Once I got an admin to apologize DEEPLY about how he was being a cunt because the whole OOC chat complained about them, even though I was personally crossed only because I lost, aka I was salty at the moment but the admin did nothing wrong by itself.

If we swarmed their servers and wanted to stay we could probably shape things as we desire, especially since they have forums where you can push for ideas and whatnot: the more we are the more of a push we could get.

But yeah, they have a circlejerk going so don't expect that just because we have numbers they will take a knee: would need for people to actually stick to the community and get into it before you would be able to change jack.

>>16099584

I say swarm em honestly then

>>16099553

>>16099538

To be honest: admins can't be normalfags and they can't just be arbiters. They need to know the game and know how to spice up rounds if they get stale/boring.

Once, when I was admin:

>traitor buys guns, opens fire 30 seconds in, dies

>well shit, that's another 60 minutes of boring

>wait 15 minutes, watching the players

>noone is doing anything interesting, just their job

>miner accidently dies to goliath

>pm him "Hey, need help for a fun event, you can't kill anyone, you game?"

>he accepts, gets put into a Wizard body

>give him a pair of innofensive spells

>tell him he's the passive-agressive wizard

>the more bitchy and passive agressive he is to the crew, the more powers he'll gain

>He teleports in, starts harassing the crew

>no fireballs, Ei Nath or Animation, just all the other spells that generally annoy with no permanent damage

>he pisses of the captain because he doesn't let people enter his cabin

>creates a bunch of doors into it

>captain orders engineers to fix it

>Wizard harassing engineers, telling them they can't build for shit, and they should be firing

>for everyone player that attempted to murder him, I give him another spell

>eventually give him the farm yard spell with a command: "if you cast this one someone, they'll become a wizard animal and gain a minor spell too

>The mad men sets about recruiting people as Familiars, straight out of D&D

>some people join willingly, others don't

>give one minor spell to each

>1 Wizard and 4 cow/pig/chicken masked mascots annoying the rest of the crew and being passive agressive

Can't remember how it ended up, but it was a minor way to spice up a round. Admins need to know how to do shit like this, but have restraint and don't do it every round.

Then again, I was a shit admin that just wanted to experiment with the game. Like that time I found out about world events, and spent 10 minutes trying to figure out how to summon those with the admin interface. Had to run a command and tinker with some datums, but I managed to summon the "tiles convert to cult tiles" without an actual cult, and people were confused as fuck. Round went about normally with some lag, but as interesting as the world event mechanism was to me, I regret doing that because it upset a bunch of people.

>>16099584

>they have forums where you can push for ideas and whatnot

Bit of advice: it won't work because those forums mean jackshit.

The real meat of the moderation/gamedev happens in #coderbus.

There's tranny bullshit, drama and a bunch of power plays by "headcoders" and shit coders that are established, known and generally dictate how shit works. Their admins talk with the coders too, but ultimately, it's the coders that wield power.

If you want to have any say, you'd need to join their channel, learn to code and start hammering features in. After a couple months, someone might give a shit about something you say.

It's a regular joke on #coderbus to code/change things just to piss off forum fags. Seriously, the forums do fucking nothing.

>>16099734

See thats how an admin should do it, you didn't really break rules or slap people around. good admins are a rarity

>>16099734

That's hilarious and I would have enjoyed participating in this.

>>16099087

>Going to servers ran by porn addicted furfags

You deserve it. You probably insulted his incest kink.

>>16104909

They are actually the only ones who can effect change in the /tg/station codebase, though. Trying to get them to do anything aside from add hats and stupid gimmicky shit is nigh-impossible because they don't actually want to do anything while they enjoy the benefits of being in relatively high regard.

You'll notice that they only start acting right when someone gets forced out of the group by popular demand and server-owner consent. Take a look at the number of important commits that happened after Uhangi got the axe.

>>16104972

You're unquestionably right in that regard, but that's because people like HG, Uhangi, etc. fought hard to attach themselves like polyps to their self-styled "project." Nobody in control now actually wants a community, a game, or roleplaying environment and they'll crucify you for going into #coderbus with those ideals no matter how long you stick around trying to influence them.

>>16104986

Then you're effectively arguing the same thing as the person you replied to: The coderbus does control everything that goes into the game and trying to influence anything with the forums or sheer numbers is a lost cause. They've metastasized and made themselves irreplaceable and the only thing one can actually get out of coderbus is code advice for your own projects and code base.

>>16105019

The only key difference is that they don't actually control anything, they just pander to the lowest common denominator while the server continues to suffer under its own egregore. I'd hardly call the ruler of a pile of rubble a ruler. Long story short I think we all agree that the /tg/ community has long since been replaced by bickering autists and l33t-gamerz.

>>15959237

Good choice of words, always assert dominance over the Admins, especially when you know they are wrong.

This will ensure you dominate their weak soy boy minds and you can avoid any situation like it.

>>16056478

I tried Corporate Mercenary last week, it was actually pretty stable.

Also can we talk about how pathetic it is when the fucking pilot job on the hyper serious Colonial Marine server dosen't come close to fun or as many features on the Corporate Mercenary server? It's insane, it's even more insane when you consider it's like the only server that animated feet.

>>16105032

There's an old saying, about the man with one eye in the land of the blind. I'm sure you know it.

In any case, I maintain that they'd be a useful source of information, provided you could actually enter the coderbus channel on their IRC without getting immediately banned.

I would adore seeing an updated version of Nurglestation return. Those few rounds where Koriathcode completely fucked up the station were amazingly morbid.

>>15899002

Always wanted to try this but it always seems to be a rule infested RP shitfest that ignores itself for the sake of meaningless RP rules.

>>16110373

it's past it's prime at this point

>>15899002

/vg/ is bretty good, why don’t you fags play there ?

>>16112847

because it's not good

>>16113194

But server isn’t cucked like you describe in posts above

>>16113694

How is /vg/ cucked?

>>16119080

it's the cuckchan /vg/ server mate. of course it's cucked.

So no one is going to share sekrets? Goon gets on my bad side because there is only the bad ending.

>>16120136

Most codebases are open source. There's no secrets for anyone that can read, and anyone that can't doesn't deserve or would understand them anyway.

The few codebases that are closed source are shit that use their "secrets" to extend their longevity and prop a "VIP feeling" for it's veterans so they fall for the sunken cost fallacy and don't change codebase. The less you play in those, the better since they might end up public eventually.

>>16121466

A majority of goon's secrets were exposed in the 2016 base and not a lot has changed so I mean oh well.

>>16121961

I remenber that. It was pretty funny to see their retarded codebase, especially the Chemistry part. Chemistry always was the poster child for goons since it's the easiest to add content for and through it, add content for everything else, which is why it always was the most OP shit and well guarded secret in their servers.

I remenber there was a recipe for some highly explosive bullshit (or maybe it generated a mini-blackhole, can't remenber) that actually checked your CKey, and if you were a specific player, it'd blow you up instead, probably because that faggot kept spamming that shit.

Also funny that there were chemicals like "hugs" and "kisses", which I'd assume it's something you get from emoting with someone else and thus the reaction was supposed to trigger when you inject the components and then emote with someone. It's a funny idea, but pretty stupid too.

Also, the large amounts of explosives for whatever reason. Considering there aren't even that many variables for explosions (range, damage, destruction range and fire range) you could cover most types of bombs fairly easily.

>>16110365

I appreciate the compliment.

I code industrial machines nowadays. And I code them just as well as I coded for SS13. Aka: lots of experimental shit, barely working features and broken grafcet everywhere. I have the gift of making it LOOK well for the client, and I'm lucky enough the other programmers don't look into my code. Then again, they code an S7-1500 the same way they'd code a S7-200 because these fucks are stuck in 1996.

My brother is fucking obsessed with building frameworks and libraries that the other coders will never use since it's new stuff and they abhor it. Kinda depressing.

I'l admit, I'd like to code again, I don't really like bugfixing (since that's already 60% of my job) but I enjoyed adding small/weird shit in that the players respond to in ways I didn't think of.

Add pools? Someone makes bombs with them.

Add Daki's? The Great Daki War begins.

Add Meeseeks? They become bag-of-holding suicide bombers.

I had invisioned a station where we keep adding shit that completely breaks the game and his overused for a week or two before being removed and replaced with something else that is just as broken.

I played SS13 for a fuckton of years, and those times were like every week we had a diferent game.

<Welcome to nurgle station, try to survive Mega Aids!

<Stuns have been nerfed, ballistic weapons on the rise, London Police Officers unable to cope!

It's just that what I had envisioned was something part of our userbase enjoyed, and part of it didn't. I was arrogant and did not recognize that. But even then, I greatly enjoyed the shitposting about it, and I get embarassed looking back and remembering how mad/angry I got over 2D spessmen.

I still believe my brother was in the right over the Stamina changes, but we never got to test it out. The stun changes were great, seeing traitors and officers exchanging lethal shots in actual firefights was great, instead of everyone rushing for the "I stun I win" card. I even got to legit arrest someone by telling him to drop his weapon and get on the floor before I opened fire, like an actual officer should do.

Protip for anyone wanting to be an admin: 90% of the time, the players aren't being dicks for the sake of being dicks. It's just that from their perspective, with the limited information every player has due to the nature of the game itself, they perceive the other guy to be a dick. And they respond in kind.

10% of them are major fucking dickwads though, holy shit. Someone once stole ALL OF SCIENCE, locked himself in Atmos, maxed research before making a Durand, then ahelp'd because he was bored and nothing was happening. While the clown was throwing a very deadly party in the bar and the traitor was silently removing all lightbulbs on the station and convicing people there were ghosts on board. You can't help or play with autism on that level: they self-isolate and the moment they decide to have "fun", that means ruining it for everyone else.

And fuck you DanielHen, I won't complain about your shitty playstyle, we had shitters every day, but you were a major selfish prick that caused over 20 people to hate your ass and then lamely complained noone likes you. Holy shit, seek help, not even the denizens of /r9k/ reach the level of social-retardation you're on.

>>16122167

funtimes, i only ever played mime for the most part on our servers and watching everyone not caring about the mime to going straight to kill on site after a few weeks was glorious.

i disliked your stun change because it made it alot harder to be a shitter because people actually had a chance to fight back when you ambushed them otherwise shit was fun.

i think the autism of ss13 is really something you have to embrace and enjoy, then take a break and come back and do it again.

Too many of the servers are filled with faggots who are in charge that defend their friends for breaking the rules or just getting mildly inconvenienced by security. I quit the game when I got banned as a janitor for chasing a clown and hitting him once for causing a lot of stuff to clean. I tired to roleplay it more as a joke and a way to get him to go away, but that was not good enough.

>>16122290

> it made it alot harder to be a shitter

One of the main reason I thought about it :^)

Joking aside, It's not just because of shittery. I mean, I played this thing for nearly a decade, I know shittery is NEVER going away. But stuns were simply too usefull and powerfull and made shittery too stale. I wanted a cult (or rev) that actually converted people, officers that told traitors to get on the ground (we could have made the "rest" verb more visible though, my bad) and make shitters explore the rest of the game.

I'd say at least the last one came to fruition: when we had the station open to the public, you could tell the outsider shitters from the in-house shitters. The outsiders went for stunbatons/stungloves, got confident they could fuck up shit before finding themselves in a world of hurt. The 8ch shitters promptly abandoned stuns and experimented with chemistry (Methman comes to mind, as do the Forced Skeleton meme), air distro pipes, bluespace tomatos and some cargo shenanigans I forgot.

I remember the changeling parasting being hit by the same nerf (unnintentionally, but that's the nature of the code) and changelings had to crit people to subdue them but couldn't use excessive force or they'd die.

I think it upped the challenge of the game, but like I said previously, half of our playerbase really enjoyed being shitters, and I took away something they had fun with because I wanted something new, not necessarily better. Sorry about that.

where's the fucking server eggman?

don't suggest /vg/ it's a cuck hive

>>16122055

>>16122167

>>16122325

>this retard is back

epic

>>16122167

>implying it was a compliment

As I recall, you hadn't tested your new hygiene system and instead gave the server a taste of your bug testing.

Koriathcode wasn't a pejorative over nothing.

>>16124752

There's only so much a coder can test on it's own. I could spawn NPC's and critters and keep watch on vars to make sure everything triggers at the rate I set it to trigger. What I can't test is how balanced that rate was.

Hence the "hey guys, I did this thing, try it out and post feedback so we can adjust it".

As far as I know, that's exactly what happened, and Nurglestation was a one-night thing, not a month-long fuck up that prevented the game from even starting.

I took it as a compliment since even something I unintentionally fucked up lead to some fun. The kind of fun you don't find in "balanced" stations.

>>16124815

Don't feel bad, I enjoyed koriathcode for the most part.

Interesting and new things are exactly what SS13 always needed to keep people playing without it devolving into a meta-gaming shitter fest.

WHERE IS DF-13? WHY HAS NO ONE MADE IT?

>>16126419

There's an idea

Just take some sprites from a texture pack, hammer in some of DF's features in, and use events for Goblin Invasions. Replace away missions with good old "elven slaughter" and you got yourself a game.

Shit, the mining part is pretty in already.

>>16126365

It fills me with confidence to know all of this. The things you linked are exactly the stuff we're working on, at the start of the fall semester. The Omron thing looks really cool and I can already see, or imagine, some of its useful functions. A lot of the stuff you're talking about, as far as tips, my teacher has gone over. We've done the 'outputs can only be used once' thing. We've only done book-test programs to learn the functionality of the software, but even in that he's been putting things in to make sure we have alarms and systems in place to alert us. He also went over that Electrical is rapid, but it takes time for mechanical devices, so you have to make sure you program in the time.

What's kind of interesting, and what i'm really jazzed about, is that we're writing the code right now, learning to create all of the programs, like what you've linked, but we're also doing electrical troubleshooting, motor maintenance, and how to install and construct the cabinets that the PLC's go in. So it'd be stuff of, I write the program for the PLC, draw the design for the cabinet, install the components, do the wire-guide, set up the network, make sure it works in the real world, and be done with a project. I was worried that the Ladder Logic stuff didn't count as 'real' programming, but if this really is what we're doing… I'm super excited. The system seems easy, and the process really 'clicks'.

The flow of logic, and the way the machines execute functions just 'makes sense'. One of the things that had me worried that I was doing something really wrong, or that I was just picking it up quick, and that I couldn't tell the difference, was that one of the programs we had to write took one student something like an hour and a half, and I had finished it, with checks in 20-30 minuites. Part of the stuff we're working on in the class is creating a lot of save-files of easy projects and assignments, and building up a large save-space of various programs to call back on later.

>>16126407

This too. Having all these saved systems I built once, and labled with what they do, I can see how it would just make everything so easy. It's one of the things I want to do, is make it so if someone comes onto my work in 5/10/20 years, they can take one look at it, go "Ok, that's the problem." Fix it, and not have to screw around looking at 10 million possible faults and errors. A personal philosophy of mine is "Safety first and second." I've seen a lot of industrial accident reports and death caused because of bad design, and my 'goal' is so that no one ever gets hurt because of something I made.

I know Automation is really a huge field and only getting bigger. I am so excited to think of all the stuff I can do, and the implementation of equipment. I know travel can be a big part of it, and I love driving and flying, so I'm really hoping to get on with a company that can do that. I've also been talking with a friend and building a base of IT information, for networking and the like, because people said that would be a big plus. One of the things that I think is really funny, is that the main reason i'm doing this, is because of /v/, particularly in showing me a few games, where I played them, went 'this is fun, is there a real life version of this?' and started to open and explore into the field of industrial automation. It's really nice seeing someone else talking about the fun of the coding, the industry as a whole and these tips. Thanks a lot anon.

>>16126428

>Bartender is a brewer with the /vg/ still and some taps

>Hydro is just a farmer

>Engineering is split between Carpenters and Mason's

>Science is craftsdwarves

>No cloners, so doctors have to learn surgery. Which of course means loads of malpractice

>Cargo has wheelbarrows and minecarts instead of MULES, work with Broker to trade with caravans and rob elves

>Kitchen is an even bigger health and safety hazard

>Miners may accidentally unleash clowns

>>16126450

I usually defend that kids should learn some programming in Highschool. Just simple stuff, like Pascal or something simple. It teaches you a diferent way of approaching problems, of structuring solutions to those problems.

And yeah, most Ladder programers started out as Electrical Engineers (I'm one). Which means their code ends up being shit, since you don't really learn to code with our degree. Heck, at my college, the only PLC experience I had was the final project. About 4 months of programming a central climate control system that I'm pretty sure my teacher stole to implement on his own house.

Where I work, the programmers don't really assemble the electrical part. We have a Design team that plans the machine, the Electrical team that plan the electrical parts and cabinet (and later assemble it) and the mechanics, Engineers and technicians that assemble and test it. Programmers are tipically the last to be called down to the workshop, since you'll download your code and go straight into testing. Also, dealing with clients. Not uncommon to have clients visit and request this or that feature. Often, they get the impression that the programmer is the one in charge (99% of the time, it's someone on the design team).

>building a base of IT information

Excellent idea. There's some philosophies and ideas from the more abstract "Computing Engineering" that you can adapt to PLC's.

Object Oriented Programming is, for instance, not something you'd think you could use since you don't have classes in Ladder, but you can use the IDEA behind it: make a datatype composed with several dozen vars that represent something. For instance, the state and status of a Robot. Read the inputs available on the robot and you can extrapolate a lot more data that you store on a variable of that Data-type. You pretty much create a "cyber-twin" of something physical.

It's also good for me to see more people taking on the same path and discovering they're good at it. Good luck anon, and don't visit /clang/ too much, otherwise things will get freaky.

>>16126491

I can see some of that being rather easy to implement, but some would take some time. Traders for instance would need some pathfinding, and you can glean from the lack of actual NPC's in-game that SS13 never was that great at Pathfinding. Still, something could be arranged, I guess.

At the very least, we could start with something rather simple, where people mine out their town, and build workshops, I guess. Then build from there. If I have time, I'll try my hand at it, but honestly, I don't think I'd have time to do more than a very simple base for other people to code shit in afterwards.

I also wouldn't like for it to be straight up dwarven-copy of DF. We should give it an 8/v/ flavour.

>>16126515

I was assuming the traders would just appear in the trade Depot like the trade shuttle.

>>16126528

Could also design the map to have just a straight line of clear space all the way from a map edge to the trade Depot, so they just have to travel in 1 direction until they reach the depot and unload.

>>16126407

>>16126450

Seeing you guys talk about industrial automation is awesome. I'm a technician in the field; I don't get to write the stuff (indeed things like function block are black magic to me) but I get to do a lot of first response fault finding as well as routine maintenance and monitoring. If I could have an input on tips to learn early for an aspiring coder/designer, I would say please keep the maintenance tech in mind and don't make it a huge cunt to work on in the field.

>>15899002

Why are those people laying on the ground?

>>16126989

That's one of the things I am really focusing on as I learn this stuff. I want to make it so that if /I/ was working on, or installing equipment, that it would be easy. I want to have stuff be designed neatly, the flow of things to make sense, and for everything to be really well documented, so that if anyone ever opens the cabinet, it all makes sense. I know I probably won't do it, but I have this image of including a paper version of the schematic/program and having that on the inside door of any equipment I work on, so that if anyone comes along and opens it, they can see the program, and the wiring schematic, with the stuff labeled on it, and in the box. That might just be me, not understanding how these industrial systems are set up though.

>>16126989

>please keep the maintenance tech

We usually have a "Setup" screen on the HMI where you define most of the settings for the inner workings on the machine. If I know the maint tech guy, I fill that thing up with anything he might need and then some. If the client doesn't have a technician employed, they can get fucked: they never request a screen like that, when shit hits the fan, they call us (and pay for an intervention). As far as I know, most clients will pay 2 to 3 interventions before deciding that hiring one of you is a better idea.

I learned the newer stuff by myself, but I fondly remember digging up very old machines (15 to 20 years old) in a factory with the help of the resident tech guy, and it was like an archeological expedition. The guy was there when those things were installed, I'm talking about PLC's that are so old, the manufcaturer will respond with a "What?" when you ask them about it. Fun times.

>>16126569

>>16126528

I was gonna suggest using the Beepsky A-star pathfinding for it. It's kinda crappy and slow, but you'd need something like that for "Invasions" aswell anyway. Or what, the goblins just show up on your front door and decide to live there, attacking people who come closea but never delving deep into the player's base? I mean, that could work, I guess, but wouldn't be the same.

Also, something I just thought about. If we wanted to avoid asset swap… wouldn't the same idea (7 intrepid idiots explorers settling inhospitable place) work just aswell on an asteroid map? We could keep the SS13 setting, just drop a "cart" (more like a pod) with some basic supplies, drop players around it and voila: mine the asteroid, make a base, try not to die. Heck, the Z-levels could be actual Z-levels for once, I guess.

>including a paper version of the schematic/program and having that on the inside door of any equipment I work on

We do that for the electrical schematic. For some clients, it's even a requirement, because the resident tech guy specifies it. It makes their job a lot easier, since we also label every cable and connection. Sadly, the program isn't handled the same way. For the larger one's, I'm not sure you could that even if you wanted. The best I can do, is leave comments everywhere (that's an habit I picked up coding for SS13) not only for me, but for anyone else looking at it.

I also make sure to write the comments in English because:

a) Some of our clients are French/German/Czech. We can't do multiple languages like an HMI, so English is accepted by everyone.

b)The other programmers that work with me can barely speak english. And they hate how I work because I refuse to simply copy old projects and tweak them to suit the new machine (yeah, this is a thing, and it kills me inside when I see it). So fuck'em.

SS13 is a round-based game, yes you will sometimes get griefed. You will often die but it doesn't matter, there is no need to get angry because the next round will eventually start.

The concept of the 3 laws of robotics needing to be upheld by playable mechanical life forms is faulty. the 3 laws are a writing tool that show how flawed human thinking is and how round about reasoning can and will lead to human death

>>16126419

how would Z levels work anyways? If this is to become a thing it should focus on core mechanics first, then you can later focus on round modifiers like "haunted" biomes where dead shit comes back to life, making things more interesting.

Swimming is another issue I think, as is handling oceans that have multiple z levels to them.

>>16127893

>Z-Levels

A "Surface" Z level, a "Fort" Z Level, and a "Mine" Z level? Have stuff from all cavern layers and the clowns hidden in a maze-like "mine" layer. All you would need are ladders to transition between them, like Colonial Marines.

>Water

Not sure that is very important when you have booze. Just simplify Z-Levels and avoid putting big natural bodies of water in the maps. Though, unlike Water, Magma is pretty iconic. So some kind of fluid spread mechanic would probably be important, could atmos code be repurposed for that somehow?

>>16132212

what serb?

>>16128859

What about replacing Magma by plasma?

Functionally, they pretty much serve the same purpose on either universe: a power source that's very deadly if you touch it. Just make the asteroid have "Plasma Geysers" and "Plasma Pockets" underground. Hit the wrong wall, you get flooded with plasma.

Should probably make it more deadly though.

>>16128859

you're mistaking drinkign water for things like rivers, oceans and whatnot.

>Just not add something DF is known for

>>16133225

Maybe just have a creek on the map? Could also use a shovel item that can "channel" out soil on a single z-level like back in version .23a. That could let water flow around through player made channels for potentially nefarious purposes. Same could apply to magma. I don't feel like biomes and such are really that important. If anything just a couple of different maps could get the feel of it.

>>16133979

Wow, now I don't even regret getting banned from that place. Good riddance.

Hippie repro got posted

I have 10+ byond accounts that are permad on yog, aurora and paradise.

Paradise is the most fun to fuck with.

I always claim to be a retarded newbie who dunno and dindu nuttin and get like 2-3 slaps on the wrist before B&. I switch accounts to create time gaps between the incidents.

>Citadel

>Play with RL friend

>Security

>Play normal for 15 mins

>Furfags should be yiffing by now

>Get tools

>Go to dorms

>Weld all entrances

>Force open one door after the other

>Find yiffing furfags

>Copy paste SS song into /say

>Baton faggots to death

>Next room

>*BOINK*

>Gotta go fast

>Nothing

>Next room with furfag and AFK human

>Baton furry to death and ignite- banned

Got many more

>>16133979

iszmx or whatever (plays lexia black on bagil) is one of those "le ironic racism ughhhhh lame" types

Massive powergamer, most people have heard of lexia. What people don't know is that when lexia does get outplayed it usually results in an ahelp, lexia also gets extremely salty at rubbershot because he can't spam adrenals to get unfucked, which is why he often runs the martial arts scroll to deflect projectiles. Honestly, for people who powergame that hard the best weapon you can get your hands on is a pot/water bomb on a spear, or just a plain spear and huck it at them.

>>16136501

>Lexia

Might be the wrong one, but I remember that name:

>late join as CMO

>Lexia playing a doctor

>actually looks at my IC description, finds out my character is younger than his character IC

>throws a bitchfit about it, how could I be CMO if I'm less experienced

>bitches when I make some trivial surgery

>actually attempts sabotage but tries not to kill someone with it

>fire him because he's a liability

>bitching and moaning all round

>next round, I go Janitor

>Lexia went CMO just to spite me

>gets angry because I didn't pick a medical role he can boss over

>decide to obsessively clean the medbay

>gets tired of me hanging around with a shit-eating grin, calls security

>security politely asks me to leave, I do so but only after a through cleaning with a grenade

>Lexia slips and falls, screams obscenities

>get an atmos guy

>ask him to redirect some pipes near medbay

>get a full trashbag, dump it on disposals

>the disposals chute is now directly connected to medbay

>knock on door

>"Hey, I heard you guys got a bit of a litter problem, I'll be in and out in no time, don't worry!"

I might be confusing this with another player on Baystation (they're even more autistic) but I destincly remember that name from somewhere, and I'm 90% sure it was this.

>>16136501

The guy that plays Lexia is probably in cahoots with some of the server admins. I have seen it lure megafauna from lavaland at least two times as a non-antag miner and then get away scot-free with not even a admin saying something about it. Around the new year eve she/he lured Bubblegum into the station and two rounds after that lured an Ash Drake into the station.

The second I space the dead body of a chemist (which I didn't even kill) who I saw dragging the mime corpse in space near Atmos a while ago in a full EVA suit (Which also had like 2 grenades in his backpack), I get BWOINKed for "that is not a good reason" despite everyone screaming LING LING LING and the chemist being a plain obvious traitor/ling.