/v/ - Video Games

>tried to mark 使う card in the 2k/6k deck so I could make a filtered deck with it

>couldn't figure out the filtered deck

>decided to erase the mark by hitting "Delete note" and just study by forgotten cards instead

>erased the entire card

I guess I'll just have to memorize that one separately and remember to not do that again.

>>15897199

At least that is an incredibly common word, so you'll be seeing it a lot anyway.

YOU CAN'T LEARN JAPANESE KIDDO

Can we use this thread to discuss imported games as well? No one really makes threads for them, so I'd think it'd be interesting to have a thread to both learning moonspeak and discussing moonspeak games

>>15897565

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>15897565

>>15897566

日本語を習うのが出来ないなら、自殺してください

>>15897576

Should be fine if they are Nip games. Many people are learning specifically to play untainted moon games after all.

>>15897199

You can just ctrl+z immediately afterward anytime you accidentally delete a card.

>>15897594

だが断る。

>>15897565

消えろババ、さもないと殴るぞ

>>15899121

It's a good way to cement kana in your memory. Never had to look them over again after finishing it and the katakana game. Don't know about the kanji one.

>>15899082

I assume 迎えミルク means milk that has the effect of bringing the drinker to some state: lucidity, clarity, climax, soberness etc. 迎えミルク ー> 「症状」を迎えミルク。I have never played Zelda so I welcome anyone that knows more to correct me.

>>15899161

That'd make sense, yeah.

I tried using Duolingo but I felt it wasn't any good because I would forget the next day. It's better to write things down right?

>>15899217

>>15899121

are there more good ones? saw in previous thread 3ds one I guess that one could be emulatable

Am I the only one that has trouble with kanji that have that bottom to left side wrapping like 遠, 達, 週,and 道? I don't know why they give me trouble, but they they always manage to mess me up.

millions of particles & particle combos forming expressions fucking suck ass jap is a garbage language

>>15899543

You can't even use English. I don't know why you'd expect a new language to be any better.

>>15899121

>should I pay money to learn something that I can and should learn for free in a week of light studying?

Answer for yourself

>>15899191

It's always good to write down what you learn and also Duolingo in particular is shit

>>15899499

not 週 or 道 but ones with a lot of vertically like 速and 達 yes. I think it's because I focus too much on the road radical and not the others

>>15899543

>millions of particles

The grammatical particles are a closed case of like 30 tops and the rest are basically the same thing as prepositions or conjunctions that any language has. What the hell is wrong with your brain?

>>15899867

>learns by solely immersion

>is surprised that he does poorly

Adult "natural" learning is a meme, pirate a textbook and put in work if you want to speak any language with reasonable proficiency.

>>15899082

迎え酒

>Learn the Kana. Start with Hiragana and then move on to Katakana. Yes, you need both, and yes stroke order is important. Use Realkana or Kana Invaders for spaced repetition.

Laughing at the brainlets that can't do all this training in their head. I don't even need porn anymore. What I see in my head is prettier and more exciting than all but the best doujins.

Hope everyone is genki! Today's flash cards for myself:

不動

沢山

女子

新人

トルコ

名物

学食

登場

盛り

涎

値段

定番

安定

味噌汁

組み合う

旨い

頬張る

可愛い

支援

課

美味しい

Can 待つ conjugate irregularly or am I retarded? I hear stuff like 待てろ and 待てて.

>>15901472

those are the regularly formed participle and imperative of the potential of 待つ. That is

>待てて < te-form of 待てる < potential construction with 待て < the hypothetical (仮定形) form of mat-

>待てろ < imperative (命令形) of 待てる

These forms mean "being able to wait/please be able to wait" and "be able to wait", respectively.

>>15901713

I knew I was probably forgetting something basic. Not sure why I only noticed it on that one word. Thanks mate

>>15901713

待てろ　is extremely rude. It's like what you tell somebody if you plan on fucking them up later.

I memorized the kana what now? words,grammar or do I kill myself with kanji?

>>15902570

1. Eat a huge bowl of "NEVER GIVE UP" because you're gonna fucking need it, kiddo.

2. Learn Kanji in isolation. It's easy, the Kanji are categorized by their JLPT level, i.e N5 - N1. Pick up N5 and work your way down. Learn stroke orders, learn their meanings, and if you're really ballsy you'll learn their pronunciations. The most important thing is to establish familiarity with them. Learn their radical components, learn how to recognize these things, cause you'll see them frequently. Notice any lookalikes and spot differences between them.

3. Do vocabulary words. If you don't want to use an SRS program, then you need to take an active role in your learning process. Pick 10 - 20 words a day and learn their meanings. Preferably words that use Kanji that you'll also familiarize yourself with as you go on. Most just recommend using an SRS program, but it's up to you. SRS is more efficient, but also a lot more tedious.

4. EXPOSURE IS IMPORTANT, so you need to watch an anime in the language, or play your games in the language, or watch a TV series, or read an article, or something. It doesn't have to be incredibly complex, just fucking READ and WRITE simple sentences and LISTEN and generally make an attempt at COMPREHENSION. It's not nonsense, it's an intelligible language, treat it as such.

5. Repeat steps 1 - 4 for a few years, maybe a decade, maybe longer, and you'll get there.

Good luck, 頑張って, それだけでもいい話だ, etc.

>>15902570

>>15902740

Worst advice ever. Never learn kanji in isolation. Just learn vocabulary, which entails memorization of kanji. Go easy on vocab until you have a solid grasp of grammar, which is only 1% of the learning process. The other 99% is the vocab/kanji grind.

>>15902740

>>15902806

By isolation does this mean only the word/symbol without the context or with context but with a specific meaning?

>>15902872

accidental sage

>>15902740

I've heard that radicals have an effect on pronunciation and meaning of kanji. How much exactly would I be able to tell about an unknown kanji if I had the radicals well memorized?

>>15902908

She's so cute, you just want to rape her.

>>15902991

But she did not consent and she is also underage. Please do not advocate illegal activities thank you

>>15903000

>and she is also underage

Proof? Nips always look like they're underage, until they suddenly transform into an obaachan at age 55.

So I've been slowly learning Nihongo for the last year and recently learned how to actually study.

But as soon as I saw the textbook in front of me and realized I had 40 kanji half memorized (read: not memorized) I realized nihingo isn't going to give meaning to my life.

But life isn't going to have meaning if I waste away in suburbia either.

Keep going?

>>15903077

This isn't true at all. Japanese age even faster than Chinese.

Is 動く pronounced as u-go-ku or u-mo-ku? The kana pronunciation is written to be うごく, but the audio in 2k/6k sounds like umoku in both the word pronunciation and sentence examples. I looked up the audio on jisho, and that sounded like u-go-ku.

>>15902872

It means you learn the shape, meaning, and, ideally, pronounciation of a Kanji without the vocabulary (though you naturally pick up simple vocabulary by the fact that many words are just one kanji long)

>>15903082

People say Heisig is the best method though

>>15903000

I mean she's winking and flashing her panties. That's consent 101. If anything she is giving to much consent.

>>15899878

>Adult "natural" learning is a meme, pirate a textbook and put in work if you want to speak any language with reasonable proficiency.

this, children have a portion of brain that lets them learn language by seeing and hearing it all of the time. adults lose this part of the brain sometime during the teens and the closest you can get to it is by using textbooks that are written in a language you already know and which change the language's writing system into characters that you already know. here are some more tips for anyone learning japanese

>material made for japanese learners by fellow foreigners are the best resource, they were in your shoes once.

>use premade anki decks. ones without audio or images are better because those take forever to download.

>also, cloze decks are better than front/back decks. it's the same system that medical students use.

>be sure to have all of your anki reps done by the end of the day, no matter how long it takes. the best way to do anki is in one uninterrupted study session.

>you need kanji eventually but don't worry about it at first. just read kana (or better, romanji) for a year or so until you start to get a grasp.

>when learning how to write kanji, don't waste time with mnemonic bullshit. japanese people learn them by repetition and they're the best at japanese for a reason.

>for kanji readings, always use furigana. they're tell you how to read the kanji without having to remember so much.

>don't study for longer than a few hours per day or you'll burn out and be unable to study.

>never spend money on anything, pirate bay has everything you need.

>remember that drilling grammer is just as important as words.

>start a journal in japanese asap. this will get your speaking skills good fast.

>reading is always better than listening. listening has the potential to confuse you with speed of speech and mumbling, which reading doesn't have.

>take japanese classes, they will help your speaking and understanding fast. actually anything that makes you talk from the start works too.

>studying for the jlpt is a good goal, it's what you need to get a job in japan.

>pitch accent is impossible to learn unless you're chinese or japanese. don't bother with it.

>polite language is a big deal, it's basically another language inside japanese. make sure to study it as much as regular japanese.

>anime is a bad way to learn japanese, because it makes you sound like a rude teenager with superpowers and a harem. save it for when you're fluent.

>when you do get fluent and can watch anime, avoid watching anything you've watched in english. you'll get confused from translation changes.

>when fluent, make sure to repeat stuff you've watched or read over and over indefinitely. this will help cement the information in your head.

if you follow these tips you should get intermediate level in 4 or 5 years. it may sound like a long time but an english speaker's brain (especially an adult one) is just wired backward compared to japanese. fluency takes even longer but that's just how it is, you can't do it faster.

>>15902872

By isolation, I mean memorizing the following each of the thousands of characters without learning any context with actual words:

生　life, genuine, birth, raw, student, grow

おん: せい、しょう、じょう

くん：い、う、お、は、き、なま、な、む

The alternative is don't bother memorizing all that data up front, and learn it as you need to when you acquire vocab that uses it, a much saner approach. You will naturally acquire more meanings and readings for each character as you expand your vocabulary anyhow.

生な＝　なまな = raw

生きる =　生きる = live

生やす=はやす = grow/ cultivate

生む = うむ = to give birth/ produce

誕生 = たんじょう = birth/ creation

生徒 = せいと = student/ pupil

生娘 = きむすめ = virgin

生滅＝ しょうめつ = birth and death

>>15903080

Welcome to the wonderful world of allophones. The most usual pronunciation of /g/ is "g", but it can also be realized as "ŋ" or "ɣ". It is never ever pronounced "m". I think you're probably mishearing "ŋ" as "m".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%8B

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C9%A3

In standard Japanese, as spoken by NHK, the rules are as follows:

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/26227/the-nasal-allophones-of-g/26238

Many sounds in Japanese actually have multiple allophones.

>>15903289

the following for each*

>>15902983

You might be able to guess the 音読み and the general category of what the character has to do with. Mostly, it's helpful to know the difference to clearly disambiguate the meanings of characters that otherwise look exactly the same, if you have trouble memorizing them otherwise.

For example:

性姓生　all have せい・しょう as readings and all contain 生　on the right hand portion. If you see a character with 生 you might reasonably guess that it can be read as せい・しょう.

金銀鉄銅 all contain 金 on the left, and are words for different metals, but have nothing in common pronunciation-wise since the part on the right is different. If you see a character containing 金 on the left, you might reasonably guess that it's something to do with metal.

Unfortunately, there are a countless exceptions to both of these rules, so you can't conclusively infer anything without checking it.

>>15903199

Is this bait? Some of this is actual advice and some of it is shit nobody should listen too.

>>15902908

She is winking because she is flashing her underwear.

>>15903405

I just wrote the worst possible 'advice' I could come up with, it should be painfully obvious it's not serious

>>15903449

>be sure to have all of your anki reps done by the end of the day, no matter how long it takes. the best way to do anki is in one uninterrupted study session.

The rest is obvious, but can you explain how this is bad?

>tfw nihongo-janai

>>15903503

Obsessing over getting every single Anki rep done keeps you from doing real stuff in Japanese, and isn't fun. Personally I stop doing Anki reps after 60 minutes of total review, and if I feel like it later in the day I might do 10 minutes or so more. If you aren't adding an obscene amount of cards per day it shouldn't get overwhelming.

The second sentence is probably about timeboxing, which is when you do something in small timed chunks with frequent short breaks to help keep you focused.

>>15903449

Why did him calling "adult 'natural' learning" a meme make you feel the need to post that wall of text though?

>>15903449

If the advice is supposed to be ironic could you explain why you think it's a bad idea to

>think grammar is important

>start a journal in Japanese

>take Japanese classes, if you have the opportunity and learn well in a classroom environment

>think polite language, which you should be using with everyone who isn't your friend, family member, or subordinate, is important

? And also, please post your peer-reviewed scientific research showing that adults learn better without explicit teaching than with it.

ignore the flag. I didn't remember that I had it on.

>>15904600

He fell for the meme and has to defend his decision or he'll feel stupid

>Land of the Rising Sun

>Everyone speaks Moonrunes

>>15905305

>think grammar is important

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arVf-Sr2liA&index=5&list=PLFED4984055236DDE&t=0s

Maybe he's referring to this guy. I think he speaks 13 languages or so.

>>15905465

It sounds like it worked for him but it doesn't sound like he's actually compared it to something else to see if it works better. The fact that this guy speaks >10 languages is evidence enough that he has linguistic abilities significantly above the average, or a lot of time and dedication, and probably both, so I think it's reasonable to say that he would have gotten here regardless of what method he used.

I know from the research I've seen and from what I've seen personally that in a comparison of the two, a method that heavily deëmphasizes grammar usually leads to worse/slower achievement.

>>15902806

>Worst advice ever. Never learn kanji in isolation.

I disagree. I spent about an hour or less everyday for the last one and half year to memorize almost every common reading of the kanji I was studying at the time. Took a different amount of time from weeks to months to say I knew a particular kanji and stop studying it.

I reviewed readings of a few dozen at most at first but went up to 300 a day as I passed ~1600 known. I only have about 140 kanji I don't know in jouyou now and can browse Japanese sites and read modern manga without much problem. It's not exactly isolation though as I learned their meanings before stopping reviewing and actively read to not forget.

Vocabulary is a problem either way but unless you're retarded, learning kanji readings by rote memorization will still boost your vocab. If you know the on or kun readings you can guess how a jukugo is pronounced almost always even without knowing what it exactly means and search it easily. Later on, vocab is acquired even easier if you know the kanji in it, and readings are easier to recall with more vocab.

I can even read some words that Japanese people have problems with as long as it's not a weird-ass gikun or ateji(型録 is カタログ, I'd have guessed ケイロク then カタロク).

>>15905732

My experience with learning English seems to fall in line with his advice though. I've completely ignored school material most of the time and still can't explain the grammar rules if someone were to ask me, but friends and family always come to me for advice and I can only tell them what's right or wrong based on my gut feeling. I primarily learned the language by playing vidya like GTA when I was a kid, not many games were localized where I lived back then.

So in my experience, words over grammar is a working concept. I topped my English classes every year with ease, and held some high level discussions with native speakers without trouble. Now you can say I've only been successful because I had _some_ exposure to grammar rules in school (or that it accelerated my progress), but it never really clicked on that level for me. I don't even know what things like "participle" and other language terminology mean, but I can probably properly apply their rules anyway.

Maybe you're right and grammar rules can't just "fall into place" like he says, but I'm taking this approach, only interspersing some grammar study here and there when I'm bored, but not worrying about it too much if it doesn't stick.

>>15906984

That was when you were a child though, right? One of the points is that children and adults learn differently. Different languages also have different learning curves depending on your native language. If your native language is somewhat similar to English then you could pick it up quicker. As for the long haul, learning words takes far more time since there are so fucking many of them, and you may not see some words often whereas grammar is used in every sentence. So I can see the argument for putting more emphasis on that part, but I still think grammar study is quite important.

>>15901713

I never thought of it that way. I always thought it was 待ている being shortened to 待てる, and conjugated from there.

>>15906615

You can't read without knowing the words. You have to memorize each individual compound to know how it is read and what it means for sure in any case. If you're just guessing, you can never be certain. You wasted 500+ hours on nothing. You're probably misinterpreting and misreading 50% of the shit you think know. Show me your JLPT n1 certification with a time stamp as proof of your expertise, otherwise I call bullshit.

>>15907103

>That was when you were a child though, right?

Around 12-16yo maybe, yeah.

>children and adults learn differently

I keep hearing this over and over, but I've never seen anyone substantiate that claim. I'm somewhat inclined to disregard it as one of those popular myths that only survive because people keep throwing it around. Do you have a study or something on that? What is that magical property that adults have lost to time?

>>15907219

These articles cite some studies and link to them:

https://www.brainscape.com/blog/2015/12/adults-kids-learn-languages/

https://www.opencolleges.edu.au/informed/other/differences-between-child-and-adult-learning-behavior-5994/

Every article I see about child vs. adult language learning says they are different for various reasons. Seems to do with how the brain develops, and is still an active area of research.

can I just post/blog random sentences here that I've heard trouble with (when compared with a translation) and anons will correct me/explain why? Because it kinda sucks not having anyone to correct you, but at the same time this thread would become utterly bloated

>>15907319

If you have several then try to collect many of them into one post so you don't flood and try to identify you're specific problems with each one to invite discussion of the broader topic. But yes, posts like they do happen here a lot.

>>15907124

but if that were the case you would end up with 「待ってて」 instead, no?

Is there a way to do a partial radical search mixed with a partial drawing on jisho? Can I somehow type in kanji I know that share radicals with what I am looking for and pull radicals from those kanji to search with? I can never seem to get the drawing feature to pull up what I am looking for. I think it's because I don't know the stroke directions or order or even stroke count sometimes.

>>15907141

It takes reading a compound once or twice to memorize the reading retard. Guessing makes it easier to use a dictionary as I can look up a word in seconds. There are even educational NHK shows showing tricks like this for Japanese kids but you wouldn't know because you're a faggot.

I have read dozens of volumes of manga this past year and I'm reading Ningen Shikkaku right now.

My method does work and you need to work on your reading comprehension since you seem to think I have done nothing other than rote memorization, even though I said there that I can read manga and browse web without problems. I have a relativity good vocabulary and my ears are trained enough that if there are two possible guesses I'll know which one is less likely to be the word.

You gotta interact more with native material so you can stop being a newfag and spout retarded shit. I saw a Japanese guy try to read "与ろう" one time, it's supposed to be read "あずかろう" but he fumbled for a second then said "あたえろう" even though it made no sense in context. Even Japanese people guess things they don't know but the difference is that they usually have enough vocab to know when they guessed right(Not even always, there are videos where random people are asked to read hard stuff and they keep guessing things wrong).

>>15907991

>That's pure autism.

That's not an argument, especially here. What works, works. My goal is university level Japanese literacy, Japanese people spend years to become highly literate as they accumulate knowledge. To reach that level in a few years you can't half-ass it.

A lot of kanji have multiple words with the same okurigana, if you don't know at least that there are other readings YOU are the one that'll guess wrong, even Japanese people do it.

Can you read 堪える? It has 3 fucking readings in that form, all common words yet only one is recognized in jouyou. What about 避ける? Jouyou only recognizes さける but it'll almost always be よける in a games context. If you don't know that よける exists you'll be reading wrong, and their meanings are similar but used for completely different situations.

Why do deny it works or say it's pointless anyways? Did you spend months on Heisig then come out unable to read anything while slowly losing what you thought you knew or what?

>>15907299

That's interesting stuff, my main takeaway here is that different parts of the brain are utilized depending on if it's a child or an adult, and neither having a very clear cut advantage over the other.

They do mention that adults would probably profit more from looking at grammar rules because we have an easier time understanding it. You might be right, perhaps I should put a little more emphasis on grammar than before so I can leverage my grown-up powers.

Thanks for the links!

>>15906615

>Later on, vocab is acquired even easier if you know the kanji in it, and readings are easier to recall with more vocab.

Here's one of the better arguments against learning kanji in isolation. It's easier to learn vocabulary when you know the kanji and it's easier to learn and remember the kanji readings (and meaning) when you know more relative vocab. Ergo, it will be easier to learn them together. I don't know if I'm reading your post wrong, but were you learning vocabulary in the same time span you were learning kanji? I don't think many would really fault someone for simple kanji study. It's the idea of learning a large amount of (typically the jouyou) kanji all at once while by and large ignoring other parts of the language like vocabulary and grammar; likely spending months on kanji and nothing but kanji, that people generally refer to as learning them in isolation and fault the practice.

>>15903078

I think your problems go deeper than this thread can address.

>>15909852

There seems to have been a misunderstanding on my part but you still need reading comprehension.

You repeated what I said on 堪える, even Japanese people mistake the appropriate reading so unless you know that there are 3 readings it's easy to mess up. When I study I check unusual or troublesome readings like this then learn them specifically so that I won't mistake.

I never claimed I understood meanings just by learning kanji readings(otherwise I'd speak every language with Latin alphabet), and I said that Gikun and ateji are still unreadable so not sure why you brought it up.

I think rote memorization is still faster and more efficient to learn how to read at native level. If it wasn't everyone in this thread would've achieved literacy since the time I started. I only spent about 300 hours over 18 months for 2000 kanji btw, I could've studied way more.

So with studying 4hours every day how long would it take to understand the average japanese media?

>>15910338

Depends on your intelligence. I would say with that you will easily acquire N2+, but there are many whiners in the thread that will say even with that it is impossible and that you will get burned out.

>>15910324

It would be impossible to learn to talk without someone to talk with (probably, anyway). You can learn to read/write/listen though, and most of us probably just care about the read/listen part. There are conversation websites that are supposed to be reasonably prices though, if you really care about speaking.

I've never wanted to move to Japan. I'm hesitant to even visit since I bet a lot of them are sick of foreigners, even if I would actually respect their country and not be a cunt like a lot outsiders.

>>15910338

If you're studying effectively, maybe 2 years. You'd still have to look stuff up and struggle, but you could at least have some intermediate ability. Nobody can really put a definitive time on anyone else.

>>15910338

It depends on how well of an understanding you mean. I didn't do anything close to that and I was reading manga and playing eroge, with a dictionary, before a years time with a moderate understanding and it didn't take long for my reading comprehension to improve greatly with practice.

>>15910324

I'd be hesitant for a variety of reasons, the overwork culture probably topping my list. Would be nice having ready access to their media and all the fresh seafood I like but all in all I think I'd have a hard time giving up some of the norms and conveniences of home.

>>15910324

What's this about them opening their gates? I don't keep up with the news. I'd be tempted just to live there for a while to improve my Japanese, though as long as one particular family member is here, I couldn't do more than visit.

>>15911419

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/07/national/politics-diplomacy/japan-set-enact-controversial-immigration-bill-paving-way-foreign-worker-influx/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/13/national/japan-make-regional-labor-markets-accessible-new-foreign-workers/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/16/national/japan-mulls-visa-test-exemptions-based-education-level/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/17/national/politics-diplomacy/government-plans-set-nationwide-network-translation-systems-help-non-japanese/

>>15904308

It's a Miyamoto Issa chapter from one of the Girls for M issues.

>>15903838

>translates to tfw not Japanese language

"Nihongo wo hanashimasen" or "nihongo wo wakarimasen" would be appropriate for lamenting a lack of Japanese language skills

That or you're lamenting that you're not a Japanese person, which would be "nihonjin ja nai" or "nihonjin de wa arimasen"

>>15911529

>Girls for M

which means she rips his balls off or something by the next page.

>>15910474

2 years!? I just want to know enough to get around.

>>15911221

>imagining I would go to japan only to find myself surrounded by anglos and chinks.

I would probably crash at places like Kochi, Naruto or up north in Kitami just to avoid overtourism.

>>15911480

somewhat

>>15912399

When you learn a language in high school you usually aren't proficient enough to "get around" until you're into your third year and you will have a hard time understanding general media until your fourth. When people take a language in college, they usually don't start using media for native speakers heavily until the 300 level classes because sophomores still struggle with it.

My point is, since you don't have breaks when you're self teaching, it is conceivable you get to that point in 2 years if you are studying efficiently every day without skipping, but getting to the point where you can understand the the average media for native speakers in 2 years in anything short of near total immersion is actually optimistic.

That said, you can always start reading earlier, it will just be a very slow and mechanical translation that is more about practicing the language than enjoying the media.

If you want to go faster, you have to move to Japan so that you're studying every waking moment.

>>15913055

meant for >>15912926, obviously. ごめん

I got fucking wasted and just skipped all my cards today. By that I mean I just opened up the program and chose to pass everything until it was done. How fucked am I?

So are there any success stories here with integrating to nippon land and have a nice time while there?

Why the fuck are you learning Japanese which no one outside Japan will use and is the most complicated language to begin with. Learn Chinese instead. It's very easy compared to Japanese.

>>15913444

No weeb. Read r/japancirclejerk sometimes

>>15913807

Lol no. Chinese is more easy and useful than Japanese everyday.

>>15913826

Lol, you should make a post in r/LearnJapanese

>>15913833

Yes. At least you will be able to speak it after a year.

>>15913826

It's pretty hard to just remember a word completely out of any context. Anki is more of a reminder so that you'll have a higher chance of remembering the word when you see it out in the real world, which is what matters. Would you have remembered what some of that other 51% are if you saw them in sentences? If you have trouble with an anki word it may just be that you aren't having to use it, so why even care?

>>15913374

Super duper fucked mate, big time. Better just delete everything and start all over from the beginning. You'll be fine.

>>15913848

>westerners

>resisting invasion

I think that ship had sailed a long time ago.

But there are some very creative swear words in Chinese. It's an amazing language.

>>15913837

(Another Anon, but) I can forget words even with context. That was with English, but I was reading a book and there was a word that appeared like every second page, and every time I had to stop and look up it in a dictionary because I kept forgetting it. Well, until I grow tired of it and accepted that I won't learn that word and just skipped over the other occurrences.

So the thing is if I just read, I will never learn them, if I add them to Anki, I will maybe learn it after fucking up at least a 100 times. Plus first, I'd like to go through the core6k deck without adding a ton of extra words, but that would require me finding material that consists of as much as possible of the first X words of core6k, but nothing else.

>>15913855

No I am not a jew.

>>15913837

>If you have trouble with an anki word it may just be that you aren't having to use it, so why even care?

I know this is a stupid question, but how am I even supposed to use it? I feel like there's a bare minimum level of knowledge that's needed before I can start reading even the most basic text, but I still haven't reached that even after about 18 months of smashing my face againt the brick wall that is Tae Kim and core6k.

>>15913780

>Japanese

>useless

>Chinese

>easy

Merry 1984年天安门广场大屠杀 to you too Ping. Going to use that ¢50 towards bribing a government official or just blow it gambling in Macau?

Reminder that Japan is the world's third largest economy and the largest foreign economy where you don't have to interact with Chinese and the CCP

>>15913853

Maybe you just need a different method of remembering it then? Like writing it out by hand or making your own sentences. You could try something you haven't before.

>>15913921

I say "use it" as in needing to know it to understand something you're hearing or reading. Having to use it to communicate would be another one, I rarely talk to anyone in nip though. Have you tried reading something easy? After 18 months you should be more than ready to try, even though it might still be a challenge. All studying without any real world input won't get you very far.

>>15914011

Japanese is quite useless unless you want to talk to native Japanese on the sidewalk. Then also they are most likely ignore you. You are better off with learning Nepali, Malay or Hindi since they are taking over all the Kobans. If you are a English teacher you will get fired if they hear you speak Japanese. In company, if you happen to get one (like your NEET ass will get one), you will be expected to use English. They will reply in English if you speak Japanese.

Japanese is the most useless language to learn for a non-Japanese.

Chinese is easy. Nothing to be said here.

Thank you for wishing Happy 1984. We killed off a lot of spooks and shills in that incident and will do it again in future. Merry Christmas to you.

A super-majority of the tourists in Japan are from China. You cannot avoid them.

>>15913852

>But there are some very creative swear words in Chinese

Like "fuck your ancestors to the eighteenth generation"? On this I kind of agree, though the lulz is mostly lost in translation and cultural differences.

>>15914053

Japan is the largest foreign economy that doesn't require you to work with commie-jew chinks, and is an especially large contributor to computer science and engineering, my chosen field, and again, it has the added bonus of making sure I don't have to work with immoral commies.

>>15914053

Kill yourself disgusting chink

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>>15907219

>>15907299

I actually feel like I am a unique case because I picked up all the grammar rules for English like it was nothing in middle school and I can still tell you most of the terminology. Adverbs can always describe other adverbs. Participles are the use of verbs as adverbs ("fucking" is a very common example on this board). Gerunds are the use of verbs as nouns, for example "I like swimming." I even did well on the grammar portion of the SAT which includes dumb idiomatic shit that most people don't notice or get wrong anyway. Maybe it's my German blood that just makes me like rules.

>>15913826

>not a neet

there's your problem. Just become jobless and forget about everything else it's easy.

>>15914184

I meant participles are used as adjectives. Damn.

>>15913826

>>15913921

I wouldn't worry too much about keeping up with what other people are doing. Rather than what you have done I would have suggested a gradual increase to your new card amount, giving yourself some time to adapt to the increase before going further. You might be better off lowering it a touch now and doing that instead. A sudden large increase in your workload is bound to throw you off.

You should be fine to try some beginner reading. Assuming you've kept that prior mentioned 20/week figure for some time you should know at least 1000 words and hopefully you've made it through Tae Kim at least once even if not with complete comprehension. That bare minimum is lower than a lot of people seem to think it is. It will be a difficult start and there will be plenty you're unfamiliar with, of course. You just have to look up what you don't know as you go. Ask here if you get stuck. Don't be afraid to skip over something that you think is beyond your level, rather than waste a bunch of time on it.

>>15913780

>reddit

If I wanted actual japanese thought i'd visit 5ch.

>>15913055

so this is complete bullshit?

>>15913444

all the blogs I encounter is experience of locals going

>you will be japanese

and then the foreigners proceeding

>fuck japan Im glad they are dying out!

>>15914383

The advice is sound but if you try avidly doing it in that time frame you'll be spending way more than 4 hours a day on Japanese.

>>15914467

>chans

Wanna know how I know that your niggercattle ass doesn't belong here?

>>15914184

It can assure you it's not the German blood.

t. fellow nazi speaker

>>15914652

>It

I*

>>15903078

I'm having the same problem and I just don't know.

>>15914524

Who cares? I got my point across.

>>15914383

>Speaking Japanese fluently in 6 months

lol

>>15915087

>Who cares? I got my point across.

This is how you destroy languages, ironic since you're trying to learn japanese.

>今⽇は仕事を休ませてください。

Is it the kudasai that makes "rest" verb transitive, as in allowing a direct object?

>>15915054

>それよりハンバーガ食べたい！

>I want to eat something other than hamburger.

Looks like it should be "Rather than that (the sake) I want to eat a burger!"

>それは唾眠放尿方と言って

>This what they call (no idea what these kanji are…)

I think she is saying she drooled on the bed.

唾「つば」is saliva. The combination looks like "sleep spit pee" or something like that, not really sure.

>あえて布団でしたのだ！

>It was a useless futon!

"I boldly/purposely did that on the futon!"

>酒時って来い！

>It's sake time!

Looks like 酒持って来い

"I brought sake" (literally to hold and come)

>>15915054

>酒時って来い

It's 酒持って来い (Bring me booze!), seems you misread that one kanji. It's all worth nothing that (afaik) 酒 usually refers to general alcohol and 日本酒 is what's used for actual sake.

>それは唾眠放尿方と言って

You misread the first kanji (though it looks very similar), it's 睡眠 (sleep), 睡眠放尿方 I assume just means bed wetting.

>それよりハンバーガー食べたい

Pretty sure it's meant to be read as "More importantly, I want a hamburger!"

Not sure on the rest, the sentence with "2nd gig" in particular seems like it has a lot of context to it, and I'm not terribly familiar with the deepest lore of the touhou universe.

>>15917413

ください just works as a "please" in this context.

休む - to rest, or take a break, take a day off

休ませる - (～あせる form, to allow a verb) to allow to rest/take a break

やませて - （て-form) in this context "please let me take a break"

All together it's 今日は仕事を休ませてください - "Please let me take today off from work."

>>15917742

>やませて

Meant 休ませて, sorry

>>15917413

A quirk of direct-objects in many diverse languages, including Japanese and English, is the fact it can be used with intransitive verbs in the special case where the verb is a verb relating to movement or motion and the noun is related to the movement as well (could be the, source, goal, path, etc, and need not directly be a location per say, just related to it). It's important to note that not all instances of this special case will use the direct object, just that they can. In fact, whether they do or don't may seem entirely random and favoring one or the other. For example, in English, "Go home" is grammatically correct and home is clearly the direct object, but in "Go to your house", you have to use the preposition "to".

In the case of 休, it is a verb relating to motion - specifically, to a lack of motion, but still related to motion. This may seem strange but notice that on English we treat "be absent" like a motion verb as well, in the sense that you are absent from something. Therefore, 休む is a verb related too motion, and in the sense of "be absent from", the noun is related to a location of the motion - the place you didn't go, so it can potentially have nouns marked as direct objects even though it's transitive. And in fact, it does so every time, 休む in that sense is a case where the direct object of motion is always used, which is to say, the location that you are absent from is marked with を, even though the verb is intransitive.

>>15917742

Thanks

>>15918460

That was very informative, thanks.

>>15915054

>>15917742

睡眠放尿方 is a typo as it should be 型（がた） as in model or type. She's blaming it on the pillow saying that's a function of it.

ハンバーガー

ハンバーグ

>ああ！？やるコラアアア

やるか. Wanna go? A proposition to fight.

>諏訪大戦２ndGIG

A spell card of 諏訪子's

>流行に流させるような俗 っぽい生き方もありなんじやないかと

she wonders if the sort of commoner life as a high school girl, being swept up in trends and the like would have been a viable way of living, as opposed to being a deity.

>>15918667

Different kanji can convey a different nuance or alter a word quite a bit in some cases. 載せる is typically used specifically with entries 1, 3 and 9. 9 especially. For words which can be spelled with different kanji, you're usually better off asking google (wordsの違いは？) or consulting a Japanese dictionary than using most J>E resources.

>>15918700

Much appreciated.

In a manga with furigana, the hou/kata kanji was written as "hou" so I assumed it to mean any of the method/way meanings as opposed to person, because thats what I learned from the anki vocab deck and even jisho, looking it up. However, turns out it was wrong and its meaning was "person" instead, why is that? Why doesn't jisho list person as a possible meaning at least, even if it's rarely used that way?

>>15925667

Jisho isn't entirely reliable. It leaves out definitions, doesn't include more viable translations, doesn't properly expound on the actual specific meanings and nuances of words. It doesn't teach the actual definitions, it only gives some possible translations. So if something doesn't make sense using Jisho, try checking a Japanese dictionary and try to make it your regular go-to instead when possible. That said, it generally shouldn't be read like that to simply mean person. Care to post the use in question?

>>15925667

ほう never means person, to my knowledge. Can you post the page? You're probably misinterpreting it.

>>15928421

I don't know what's with Japanese and RPG speedruns. That's all I've seen whenever I thought to check out the channel.

>>15929458

That's just ほう as a general noun referring to one of a set of similar nouns that contrast in some way/s, not directly meaning person although referring to one. No different from the translation. The phrase"the one that" doesn't literally mean person, but you can use it to refer to one.

Today I stumbled upon a name of a station called 市ケ谷駅, which is apparently read as いちがやえき. 市 can be read as いち and 谷 as がや (in names), but could someone tell me what the fuck does that ke do in the middle of the name? Is it just another case of "it's a name, so fuck logic" or is there a deeper meaning to it? (Interestingly the english wikipedia writes it as 市ヶ谷駅, with a small ke, but Tokyo metro's website lists it with a large ke, so I guess that's the correct).

Thinking about going to take a few classes at a Uni to start learning it. I feel better in a classroom setting. Thoughts?

>>15929309

RTK sucks do Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course

Learning readings on their own is fucking stupid, and Kodansha teaches you a couple vocab words for each Kanji, typically one word for both a kun and an on reading.

In addition, kanji are introduced in such a way as to prevent you from confusing similar-looking kanji, as well as the kanji "stories" being written as such that they don't conflict with each other down the line.

You need to make your own flash cards, but doing so is better for learning anyways.

>>15929566

The ヶ/ケ is read が there. It's common in names of places. In older Japanese が could function similarly to how の does today. And that's what this is to my understanding. So another example, 青木ヶ原・あおきがはら essentially can be thought of like 青木の原. You'll also see it used as a substitute counter character in some words like 一ヶ月 in place of 個 where it is instead read か or こ.

Seems Kanjitomo hasn't been updated for a couple of years. Is it still viable for snagging text off of pics or is Capture2Text a proper alternative?

少し日本語わかります、だが、本当は俺の日本語をクソです。

Might sound like shit, but at I wrote this entirely by heart. Do you think this would make a good casual greeting?

>>15930436

it seems my English is lacking too

Does gohan mean "rice" or "son of goku"?

>>15930442

Both. But, I am surprised you niggers are still trying to learn Japanese when all your efforts are futile. You should learn Chinese instead since it is easier and better.

>>15929309

>Anki

I'm guessing nips learning english has a software named Imouto.

>>15930812

>How am I supposed to infer that "thing" refers to a person

Literally the second entry if you search for もの on jisho

https://jisho.org/search/%E3%82%82%E3%81%AE

But I think you just met one of the problems of the kana-soup.

>>15931172

But to add to my answer, there are a few words, like もの、こと、ところ that can mean pretty much anything depending on the context. Other than learning grammar and reading a lot, I don't think you can master them.

>>15929693

Thanks, it make sense now. I completely forgot about 一ヶ月.

>>15931216

> other than learning this language, I don't think I'll be able to learn this language

yes, and?

>>15931172

>>15931216

I'm really just mad that there are people who said this was an easy read for beginners, and yeah there were countless times where I couldn't differentiate words and particles and expressions - so much so I wish they were written in kanji more often. Doesn't matter how simple the subject matter, this isn't beginner friendly at all, I wouldn't be able to properly understand it without a translation

>>15931225

I was referring to the language meme part.

>>15931257

There's a reading pack for the first two books of yotsubato, get them if you still haven't done it, it's better than a translation most of the time. But yeah, the slang in yotsuba is not exactly beginner friendly, and decoding a fucking kanji mountain is sometimes simpler than figuring out a kana soup.

Reminds me when I got a reading pack from chokochoko, organized by JLPT levels. No furigana, but only use kanji that's appropriate for a given JLPT level. So at N5, everything you can't write with that 50 or something kanji that's required for N5, was written with kana. Seriously, N4 readings were easier than the N5.

>>15931310

thank you.

>>15930436

I don't think you need to say both that you know a little and that you're bad, since it's kind of redundant. The biggest faults are the phrasing and the を. を indicates the direct object of the action, but you've got no action (or otherwise implied action) after it. Something like 日本語はすこし勉強してきたが、まだ下手くそなんだ could be better. Note that it generally shouldn't be necessary to state "俺" here as it should be understandable through context, but you could alter it by saying 俺は日本語をすこし and continue with the sentence if you need to emphasize that it's yourself that you're speaking about. 日本語 there, by the way, is the direct object of the action 勉強する. In the original sentence it's replaced by topic marker は because you can't have them both for reasons and it takes priority.

>>15931257

First few reads are always tough. Most beginners will still have some trouble with parsing even going with other, somewhat more kanji heavy material.

>>15931310

thanks again, this learner's pack really is a godsend right now, I understand which things I've misread and why

>took 3 semesters of Japanese

>got decent

>started learning the kanjishit too

>started lagging behind on my other exams

>dropped jap to focus on my other exams

>was going to pick it up next year again

>teacher is leaving the country to go back to Hokaido

How can I kill myself without actually dying? Shit was one of the few things I actually enjoyed and had to ditch it because my university's system is completely borked and now I can't go back. I'd have like 2 more semesters of it and a certification saying I'm qualified to teach, now I've almost completely forgotten it and I can't learn shit because the only actually Japanese teacher has left the country.

She was wonderful, spoke none of my native tongue, spoke like three words of English, learning was a breeze. At least I've got some of the materials.

>>15936757

While having someone to correct you is invaluable, you have more than enough resources available to self teach.

Classroom learning is one of the worst things you can do to yourself.

I've been trying to work out work out the exact meanings and usage of ～も, ～か, and ～でも indefinite pronouns. It was surprisingly hard to find actual academic works discussing the difference between them technically. I have arrived at the understanding that ～も pronouns are universals, literally translated with "every-" pronouns (English universals), and since Japanese usually expresses polarity in only one place - on the inflection of the verb - instead of expressing it anywhere like English does, they are also used to translate "no-" forms (English 'negative' indefinites), such that 「何も食べませんでした」 means "I ate nothing" by way of "As for everything, I did not eat it" or "not eating is what I did to everything." and in fact, this usage is more common than a positive one.

I also know that ～か pronouns are translated with "some-" pronouns by most sources and ～でも ones with "any-" pronouns, but I had also found an academic presentation saying that ～か meant both "some-" and "any-" as Japanese did not distinguish between the two ideas, and had only found examples of ～か where either "any-" or "some-" would work in the translation. In order to understand the differences between them, I started by learning the actual difference between English "any-" and "some-" in a precisely defined way, which turned out to be more difficult than expected. The Wikipedia page on indefinite pronouns assigned these terms "elective existential" and "assertive existential" respectively, but originally didn't define those terms. I did some research of my own and found a couple sources explaining what was meant by "assertive" and contrasting it with "non-assertive" (never found a source for "elective"), which I decided to summarize and add to the Wikipedia page. The difference being that assertive existentials are used to assert the existence of at least one member of the group to which they refer, whereas the elective existentials do not assert existence of a member, and are also used, at least in English, when a question of existence is being explicitly denied, hence why "nobody's there" and "there isn't anybody there" mean the same thing.

So now the question is, is the same true for ～か and ～でも pronouns in Japanese, and while I'm inclined to believe that it is sense so many sources translate them that way, I haven't seen any that actually provide an illustrative example of contrast between them. This is probably because it is hard to examples, at least in English, where both "any-" and "some-" words are allowed but don't mean the same thing, but there are a couple contexts where they do, for example

>Did somebody tell you about the meeting?

implies that the person knows about the meeting, because it assumes that at least one person (somebody) has already told the listener, while

>Did anybody tell you about the meeting?

either implies that the listener doesn't know about the meeting or doesn't make an an implication one way or the other, depending on context. Further,

>He failed to do something that would have helped.

Can be interpreted as implying that there was some specific thing "he" failed to do that would have helped, whereas

>He failed to do anything that would have helped.

cannot be interpreted this way, and doesn't imply that there was anything that could have been done differently.

So my question is, can somebody who is more adept with Japanese say whether the same distinction is true for these translations? Is the same distinction true for

>誰かあなたに会合がある言いましたか。

>誰でもあなたに会合があると言いましたか。

and

>手伝う何かしなかった。

>手伝う何でもしなかった。

?

>>15945802

They may not be the most natural way to say it but I definitely don't think they're "gibberish". Could you elaborate? They aren't perfectly accurate translations either because I only used what I already know, but as far as I understand they say

>Did somebody/anybody say that there is a meeting to you.

>(He) did not do something/anything that helps.

The only problems I see are that I forgot a 〜と in the first sentence which was just a typo, and I don't know how to faithfully translate the English conditional mood, so I just used a plain attributive 手伝う.

can anyone translate this 不殺の絶傑

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/110141010?lang=ja

from this SV card. english translates into omen of unkilling

but unkill doesnt exist

>>15948736

It's intelligible only as far as you've included the right content words in basically the right order, so someone could probably guess at what you mean. A more correct and simple translation would be

膣内放尿のシーンの断面図を見せてください。 "Please show cross-sections of internal internal urination scenes."

>>15949023

Does "見せて" just mean "show me" or does it also mean a more general "show it" ?

>>15948736

>>15949023

>learning nip to give feedback to japanese porn producers

I can't think of a more noble reason honestly

>>15949023

>>15949160

Would this work better instead 膣内放尿のシーンの断面図を含めてください ?

can iku attach to verbs like "-tte", making it indistinguishable from the casual quoting form?

>These are often called "action verbs" and the "present tense" of these verbs either means (1) that a person habitually or regularly engages in these activities, or (2) that a person will, or is planning to perform these activities in the future

So basically テレビを見る could mean:

>I watch tv

>I will watch tv

>watch tv

Could it also be used as a response to "What should i do?"

>(you) watch tv

>>15949189

Imperative form would be テレビ見ろ, but if someone were to (very casually) say 「テレビ見る？」 it would mean "do you want to watch tv?"

>still have 2k cards in anki deck

>5 new cards per day

at this rate, it's going to take another year of daily study to complete the deck. It's been TWO FUCKING YEARS. Should I just drop the deck and move on to something else? Obviously, anki is not the only thing I do, but it does consume most of my study time. Maybe I should cut down a bit to a few times a week as opposed to daily study?

>>15949198

Since you've been at it for two years you should have a lot of kanji you will never forget, like the basic numbers, very common ones like 見る, and so on- start removing them and using that time to read manga that isn't all hiragana instead. The manga will inevitably use those kanji so it'll be just like the deck but better, since it'll have context and actually be somewhat interesting.

>>15949192

Isn't that form considered rude?

>>15949204

Imperative is an order, so it'll be rude unless you have the authority to order someone around.

>>15949160

Jisho also translates it as "display" so I think it's the former. in actuality those are the same meaning of the verb in English just with different kinds of objects, and I think it's the same think with the Japanese.

instead of "含めてください", the sense of "include" you're looking for is more conveyed by "組み込んでください", which means more like "incorporate", whereas the other means more like "consider" or "include in your calculations".

>>15949208

So which of these two would best convey my suggestion?

>膣内放尿のシーンの断面図を"組み込んでください

>膣内放尿のシーンの断面図を見せてください

I think the top one would get the point I want across better, but I'm not an expert. Also is there anything I could add so that I come off less like an autistic gayjin?

>>15949202

>start removing [the more common words/kanji] and using that time to read manga that isn't all hiragana instead.

If I suspend cards, they'll still remain in the deck, right? I can easily reinstate them later on if I feel like it, right? If not, then I'd rather not suspend any cards. Point taken, though, it's probably a good idea to spend less overall time on anki reps.

>>15949227

I actually don't know this, but you can make copies/backups of your deck, right? If something goes seriously wrong it should be possible to restore the deck.

Some search results indicate you can unsuspend at any time.

https://www.quora.com/In-regards-to-Anki-spaced-repetition-what-are-buried-suspended-cards

https://help.fluent-forever.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360017839951-Pausing-Anki-decks

>>15949174

Are you asking if いく as an auxiliary verb can be reduced to 'って and if so does that make it indistinguishable from the casual complementizer って? Because if so I believe the answer to the first question is no and if I'm wrong it usually won't cause confusion because いく usually follows the te-form and って usually comes immediately between some kind of conclusive form and the verb (言う, 思う, etc.).

>>15949189

You aren't wrong that the present tense is sometimes used like a command, and in fact, so is the past tense, but when it will be understood that way is hard for second language learners to understand, so the textbook hasn't taught you that and you shouldn't use it that way, at least not yet. It looks like you're using Genki, so you can skip to lesson 6 to learn a correct way to form polite imperatives (requests). As for your question, I think it depends on how the "should" question was asked, but at the very least it will be understood correctly.

>>15949224

top means "Please incorporate it" the bottom means "Please show it". They're both correct but the top one is probably more precise and technical.

>>15949248

Yeah I think so too, thanks for the help anon.

How would I add something along the lines of "For future/upcoming titles pleased consider incorporating …" so that it actually sounds more like a proper suggestion. Or is it not really that necessary?

>>15949256

The easiest way would be "未来のゲームについて、…", "concerning future games, …".

It might be more natural to say "未来のゲームの中には、…", "in future games,…", but I'm less confident in that of so someone should double check it.

>>15949269

>ゲーム

I don't think they would call hentai VNs "ゲーム" actually. I think just "タイトル" would be more correct here but I'm not too sure. I guess the whole sentence would read like this 未来のタイトルの中には、膣内放尿のシーンの断面図を組み込んでください then.

Any other way you could say "title" "release" "product" or something along those lines?

ごろ and ぐらい can't be swapped, right?

>2時ごろ1時間ぐらい寝ました

Around 2 I slept for an hour, right?

>>15949319

ごろ is for (instances in) time ぐらい is for quantities, including periods of time, so no they can't.

>>15949246

okay thanks

>>15949291

To shitpost on Ylilauta?

>>15949762

Best price figures, food and maid cafes

what's "toru" after a verb stem, seen it like 3 or 4 times in this shitty comic and it confuses the hell out of me

is this a "kansai dialect" meme?

>>15952677

Are you sure it isn't just the verb 寝取る? As in 寝とられ

>>15949805

It tells you 忙しい is used for people, but then gives you a sentence without explicit use of such a noun so it's just noting that the person which 忙しい is referring to is implicit. There is a typo with "susbject" though.

>>15952677

Yep, Kansai. 寝ている & 触っていない. They use おる instead of or in addition to いる in some parts over there and that's basically where that comes from.

>>15953090

ah, thanks very much

>>15953492

"Out" as in baseball.

>>15953508

Oh. That makes sense. Pitching team is the only prospective out is a positive word for.

>>15953090

I get that but, if we were to reverse it, having "I" present would make it unacceptable, just didn't sit right after reading it.

Didn't even notice the typo despite reading it over and over

>>15954094

I didn't understand your question before but yes, it is a mistranslation. It should read "The sentence below is acceptable since the subject is I, even though it is omitted.

Also the Japanese sentence should be 日曜日は（私が）忙しいです。

Does anyone know how to get this god forsaken anki add-on to work?

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2413435972

I have an "Expression" and "Examples" field, I have the card type name set to "example_sentences" (I've also tried other names after changing it in the json file), and the "add sentences in bulk" selection still doesn't do anything. I even checked the utf file to make sure it has sentences with the words I have and it does.

Any help?

>>15957060

>inb4 it's kuroda

>>15957060

>I don't understand what is bad about being a lolicon.

>Age doesn't matter, the heart is what is important!

Just looks like a lolicon defending their desires.

>>15956337

>95 pages just for onomatopoeia

Wew, that dedication.

>>15957066

What's kuroda? I didn't find anything relevant

Ok, I forgot that in japanese lolicon can also mean pedophile, and he seems to be talking about loving childs, he is definitely not talking about 2d.. so it might not be necessary to translate anything.

At least I'm glad femists don't go after otakus just for 2d.

>>15957111

>>I don't understand what is bad about being a lolicon.

is he talking about drawings or real life pedophilia

>>15957117

I suspect it's about real children.

>>15957114

Kuroda is a famous Street Fighter 3: Third Strike player who has been arrested twice recently for sexual contact with underage girls.

>>15957060

>>15957117

>So, I think it might be a case of japanese feminazi attacking a lolicon otaku?

Pretty much this, yeah. It seems to me to very obviously not be serious, he's just joking around but now is getting attacked for it. I mean, he goes on about love being about a pure heart and then suddenly finishes with short one-liner about rape. It's reminiscent of a Prince of Bel-Air greentext in it's execution.

Where can I get more girls in a santa outfit showing off their panties as they run away?

>>15957141

Yeah this is why we need a better term to refer to pornographic drawings of children. Loli not only leaves out shota and toddler stuff. It also refers to the monsters who actually want to hurt kids in Japan.

If 起きている means "to be awake/up and about" that sort of thing, how would you say "I'm getting up"?, how exactly do you express group 3 verbs as group 2?

damn, kanjitomo is such an amazing tool

I'd be kinda fucked without it

Why are you autists not falling for my bait?

>>15957468

Here here. Watch this. >>15955063

>being a disgusting cuckime faggot that craves underage boy dick.

>>15961368

You mean this?

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a3ff6206eceb085bae86ff2f3a5dce75d6db093a

(I think that's what I downloaded, as I have a tendency of removing torrents that I have seeded for some time)

>>15961422

Also there's an app called "Japanese Graded Readers" on (((google))) play, if you happen to have an android phone with lucky patcher.

However it only goes to level 3, and even at level 3 it only has 2 stories, stories at level 2 and below are very basic and short.

>>15961422

That's a bunch of them but I don't think its complete. I still appreciate it.

>スーさんはまだ起きていません

Could スーさんはまだ起きません also work?

Sue hasn't got up vs sue still hasn't got up?

>>15962655

The top one says "Sue still hasn't gotten up" but the bottom one says "Sue still doesn't get up", as in, ever, she's bed ridden. It could also mean "Sue still will not get up" (at some time in the future), as in, if you were telling someone about how you were trying to convince her to get out of bed early tomorrow, but she did not agree to. Those sentences don't match the translations you gave, did you make a mistake?

>>15962701

I get you, the second one is saying that "sue herself, isn't getting up" (physically not doing it)

The translation is off, I've been powering through genki 1 and I made the second sentence up.

What about スーさんはまだ起きませんでした as another way to say "hasn't woken up yet"?

>>15957601

Plain 起きる could express that.

>>15962655

In this case, yes you can use that. I believe it's kind of verb dependent whether you can answer with a simple negative to state whether something has been done yet. You couldn't do the same with 食べる, for example. I'm not sure about any possible different nuance between the two sentences and I can't give you a good detailed explanation about what verbs work and don't unfortunately. Yeah, the English. What you did was remove まだ for the first one.

the japanese restream of GDQ is live

so if you like feeling despair but also want to practice listening or reading casual speech patterns, it's perfect for you

>>15957060

It's obviously a joke as he says but the problem is with the shrimp bitch starting drama asking people to report the guy.

She has dislikes as "people who put Japanese flag on their name" and "misogyny" on her profile. It's an obvious payoku communist, they are anti-japan and usually fans of China and North Korea. She's saying dark jokes don't fit internet because it's public and there are victims, and seriously thinks the guy can be arrested for joking on twitter. Just Japanese versions of brain damaged SJW.

>>15963010

>and seriously thinks the guy can be arrested for joking on twitter

True in the UK and Germany.

what is """""""""'''''''''WaIfU''''""""""""""""""" means on japanoosee, literally?

Is it worth studying both 2k/6k and the KanjiDamage deck at the same time? I've been doing both at 10 cards each for a couple of months now, but I'm being drowned in cards and there's a good chunk of overlap. KanjiDamage has a lot of nice features but it doesn't actually have much of a focus on learning words, and there's a lot of kana-only words in 2k/6k that I don't think will show up in KanjiDamage.

Also, I could use tips for making myself focus on studying instead of procrastinating and dragging it on for hours longer than it should take, if there's such thing beyond "just make yourself focus harder".

>>15963795

If anything it'll be easier because you can ignore 1/4th of the skills you need to be teaching yourself. There is no reason you can't still pick up reading, writing, and listening.

>>15960369

>3d

Pass.

>>15897163

is there a way to text-mine so that you can get every unique kanji/ word used in a document?

i wanna be able to create vocab lists from game scripts so it's easier to learn them.

>>15965598

Some random ideas:

There's MeCab that is used by for example jisho.org to split up sentences into words, but it's not perfect (actually nothing is perfect, unlike English, there are lots of random inflections and no space characters to clearly divide words) and you'll probably need some programming skills to achieve anything useful with it.

http://taku910.github.io/mecab/

Maybe if you export the script to html, you can do something with Rikaisama, at least it has Anki import capabilities.

wwwjdic has a text glossing mode, select "only list translations" and "no repeated translation", then figure out how to create an Anki deck out of this.

http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?9T

Or just dump the whole sentences into a deck, that's what I did (and now I'll probably receive a few "this is a terrible idea" reply). This way you'll automatically have example sentences!

>>15965598

Kanji is easy, you can combine any text ripper with a basic Python script you can make yourself in 10 minutes.

Words will be harder to do without specialized tools, but there are several completely unrelated programs that just happen automatically attempt to separate Japanese text into words for other reasons; I believe Word and Chrome are examples. If you know how to write a script that interfaces multiple programs, you could copy the block text out of the ripper, paste it into such a program, select and copy out each word into new file.

>>15965676

>>15965754

ty anons!

women belong in the daidokoro

>>15963677

You could suspend a deck if you don't want to spend more time in anki. I'd suggest sticking with the core deck since that has useful vocabulary. Or just try to get through cards quicker. As for focusing, what are you studying right now? Maybe try a different source if you're getting bored. If you have some grammar down, then you might want to try reading or playing something. Just studying with no fun can get dull.

Running through the hiragana/katakana.

Would it also be a good idea to write each of them down while attempting to memorize them all?

>>15969575

It's deleted or private.

>>15967609

Writing stuff out by hand can be useful for remembering things. Some people like it, some don't. Try it out. I find it enjoyable and useful.

>>15963677

If you think you can handle vocabulary without the additional kanji study then go for it. It shouldn't come as a surprise that it's for learning kanji more so than for vocabulary. I don't know how the KD deck is formatted, but I would assume it's just character focused while just giving vocabulary examples for better retention. If it's alternately giving you individual character and vocabulary cards, then you could always suspend any words which overlap. If unsure what to do you could just set your new cards for it to 0 temporarily and see how it goes for a while.

Whenever I'm at my PC I'm always multitasking while doing reps not focused but if I use my tablet and just go sit on the couch to do some, I tend to get through them with ease. It's inconvenient to switch to and from things on it so I naturally stay better focused. Try changing the environment you do your reps in. Unplug your computer from the internet while you do them even.

>どちらのコーヒがいいですか

Does this mean which one is good/which one is better?

Also can どっち replace どちら in this sentence?

>>15969498

I'm a retard who somehow got through high school, and this seems hard to wrap my head around, but I can make sense of it. Overall it seems a little too technical and objective for me to be, well, "pleasant" to go through

>>15969817

I have been writing down the kana while pronouncing them in drills, sorta like I once did in primary school when I was a child. So far, it appears to be helping memorize them.

>>15972315

It feels like it's reinforcing the visual memory if I also have to remember stroke order and required to write each one down. I bet some folks could just copy them all directly into their head without writing aid, but I don't think I'm that good.

>>15972442

Don't listen to him. Writing can be very helpful. Sure if you don't care at all about writing, maybe you can skip doing that, but most people would surely find it very helpful to remember properly things. It is different when you don't just know a vague form, but know it by heart, because you have written it enough.

To be honest, not being able to write even the kana sounds pathetic as fuck. I would suggest a phone app such as Obenkyo or the paid alternative Kanji Study. They both have kana too. You can both recognise and write them. I personally prefer Obenkyo and not only because it is free, but Kanji Study has some pluses too.

I wish to watch anime with Japanese subs. Does anyone know of a site I can bookmark to download them from?

man I'm just now realizing -te nai is -te inai, not the negative of aru (I did wonder the whole time why that combination would be used instead of the negative form of the verb itself). the fact that I either forgot/missed this or didn't learn it in the first place pisses me off so much. I hate all these abbreviations and contractions so hard and essential information like this can so easily pass by without ever being corrected

>>15972513

https://anjsub.com/

https://animelon.com/

>>15973067

Thank you for the suggestions, but both of those sites are rather lacking. Does anyone else know of others?

>>15972513

http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

>>15972476

Thanks for the suggestions, anon. Obenkyo looks promising. May give Kanji Study a look, too.

漢字を覚えるのはめんどいわ

>>15979171

https://jisho.org/search/JR

>>15979201

漢字仮名交じり分は最強の文字だ

Anyone have a download for japanese graded readers or any sources for easy reading material?

>>15984736

here >>15961368

It has more than the mega floating around.

>>15984987

much appreciated anon, didnt think to ctrl+f the thread because the results online were extremely limited for the japanese version of these. on that note, anyone know good reading material for a relative beginner with moonrune? ive got about 500 vocab words under my belt from the 10k deck and mostly trying to find things to read. still struggling with a few things but i feel like reading is about the best way to learn

I seem to be struggling a lot with grammar and I'm wondering if anyone has some advice on how to improve on that. My vocabulary is coming along pretty well but I really struggle with words that DON'T use kanji, which tend to be "grammar words" including long particles and conjunctions.

Naturally I've read at least a few grammar books by now. I don't remember it too well after reading though, and grammar is a lot harder to look up than vocabulary during practice.

>>15986500

Try the guide. Specifically the more current itazura version. Alternatively Google the Japanese title + raw.

>>15986654

After having studied grammar I found it was typically a matter of the more you see it in a variety of contexts, the closer you should get to full comprehension. That actual experience is by and large indispensable. The Dictionary of Japanese Grammar books can be nice for looking things up since they list things alphabetically. You can find .pdfs of them in the guide, but they're also just incorporated into the site as well.

>>15980456

>why would she use -te morau to say something like "keep up your end of the bargain - I will give him away"?

てもらう often has the connotation that you've requested the action that you are receiving, and can further be used simply to request something from someone. To be a bit more literal I might word it, "I'll have you keep your promise."

>>15987427

ahh, thanks. For some reason I did try to think of "have someone do the action" as a possibility as I remembered it from the jap the manga way book, but I guess my mind lagged and I couldn't make the connection. ty

>>15987427

> I found it was typically a matter of the more you see it in a variety of contexts

I have difficulty believing this is true. If you see it and don't understand it, how are you supposed to learn it?

>>15987522

After having studied it and understood the explanation to at least some extent. With some review along the way if necessary. Then even with a sometimes vague understanding, all it took was filling the experience bar until the point where it all clicked. If you're have trouble figuring out textbook explanations for certain grammar points whatsoever, then you could try asking here for further explanations or examples, I guess.

For anyone who wants some relatively easy media to consume with some hard to read kanji at times because of font I would suggest mega man battle network. The thread that popped up on here for the series reminded me of it and so I went and grabbed a JP rom and it was very easy to understand for the most part. The font is kinda rough if youre totally new but a chunk of it is hiragana. If youre a fan, I suggest giving it a try.

>>15987944

Only the first one or the series in general?

>>15987944

I don't know how the actual reading difficulty is comparatively, but I'm working on Atelier Rorona right now. The ability to scroll back the dialog and replay voiceovers is really useful. Short of having selectable text that's about the best you can get.

>>15987970

So last night i tried the first one and last one in jap because the first one had horrible looking font. Its not unreadable but the kanji feels like it is. Almost like youd have to find the game script to make sense of some that render horribly. I figured this may have been a complaint in later games (or maybe japs can read that shit fine) so i gave 6 a shot and maybe its just confirmation bias but it looked a bit easier to read. Either way certain kanji will be rough, but a LOT is hiragana and i think i even saw some furigana (after the text in parenthesis) for a few words. All games seem to keep the hiragana as the core so i would say all of them.

>>15988020

Outside of like one or two scenes in the entire game where text might flow by itself, all battle network games will keep the text box up until you press next so you have all the time in the world to analyze it. I wanted to play atelier on my vita but kinda enjoy going back to battle network as the series is quite special to me. Thanks for the input on atelier

>>15988042

As far as I can tell, that sentence is

>素直に・燥げない

and the gloss is

>meak COP.INF make-merry.POTENTIAL-NEGATIVE

so the literal translation is

> you can't be in high spirits to be meak

or more semantically (less confident about this one)

> you can't meakly make merry

My point is that you forgot to consider the possibility that に is an inflection of だ instead of a particle, and that (は)しゃげない is s potential form of (は)しゃぐ.

>>15988290

Excellent explanation, I appreciate.

>the possibility that に is an inflection of だ

Yes, I didn't think about that. I'm used to see に as "at, in, to" after nouns and 素直 can also act as な-adjective. Regarding 燥ぐ【はしゃぐ】 I thought that ゃ was meant to be some abbreviation I wasn't aware of, like 〜なければ can be shortened to 〜なきゃ.

Here is your future, weebs.

I need some second opinions. I'm a year and a half into my study, and truthfully my Kanji and vocab are pretty rock-solid, I'm at ~2200 kanji and ~5500 vocab according to Anki.

However, where I'm really lacking is grammar. I still trip up an embarrassing amount while reading, misinterpreting conjugations and misremembering or forgetting grammatical structures outright. A lot of this is due to the fact that I spent a lot of last year ONLY doing my daily Anki, and I understand that, but this year I'm resolving to do more active reading.

I wanted to ask here, though, is there a strategy I should know for studying grammar and sentence structure that's "better" than just reading material while cross-referencing a grammar dictionary? Thanks in advance, buds.

>>15975887

I was going to complain about the fat representation, but then again, there is not much beauty to be shared there.

is oishi and umai same thing or is it just translators laziness?

>>15990564

I think 上手い can also mean "good" while 美味しい only means something like "tasty". I don´t know if there are any more differences though.

>>15990499

Fat representation? Did you mean to reply to >>15990387 ?

On the subject of that anon's video post: I doubt my future will be working as an ALT. It's something to place into consideration, I guess.

>>15990608

Yes. It was meant for the video.

>>15990564

I've only ever seen おいしい used with food. I've seen うまい used for other situations. Specifically for food there might be some overlap in meaning, but in general I wouldn't say they mean the same thing from what I've seen.

>>15990564

Umai is savoury.

As in one of main aspects of taste next to sweetness, sourness, bitterness, and saltiness.

>>15990387

Anyone got that article from a feminist who moved to japan and was having a mental breakdown because nobody would hit on her. I think someone even told her to lose weight.

>>15991604

Except that's wrong (in English at least). "Savory" is not a basic taste like the other 4 you mentioned, it's a combination description. Dictionary says "(of food) belonging to the category that is salty or spicy rather than sweet."

>>15990564

>>15991604

>>15991737

Oh wait, I just noticed he wrote "umai" and not "umami."

My mistake.

>>15990564

Umai is "good", oishii is "tasty".

English has a perfect analog, you can say both "this food is tasty" and "this food is good" and both make sense, but good is an adjective that's much more generally applicable.

>>15993588

Careful with analogies like this, "that's a good thing" isn't それ上手い事です in Japanese. English in general has this annoying property that the same word means ten thousand different things.

>>15996580

それは上手い事です

もう

>>15990564

Oshiri means ass. and umai means tasty. So it just means ass is tasty.

How much Japanese do I have to know to marry a Japanese girl?

>>15996626

>falling for the yellow pussy

>marrying outside of your kind

dont be a faggot and fall for internet memes

おいしい(P); 《美味しい》 (adj-i) (1) (uk) delicious; tasty; sweet; (2) (uk) attractive; appealing; convenient; favorable; desirable; profitable

うまい 《旨い(P);》 (adj-i) (uk) (esp. 旨い,美味い,甘い) delicious; appetizing; appetising; tasty; (3) (uk) (esp. 旨い) fortunate; splendid; promising;

うまい 《上手い(P); 》 (adj-i) (1) (uk) (esp. 上手い,巧い) skillful; skilful; clever; expert; wise; successful;

Note the similarity to 上手 【じょうず(P); じょうて(ok); じょうしゅ(ok)】 (adj-na,n) (1) (ant: 下手・へた .1) skillful; skilled; proficient; good (at); adept; clever

>>15996626

Are you handsome? None. Are you average and white? Probably enough to at least have a conversation and you better not be a fucking sperg either. Either way the chance of you finding an actual waifu quality waifu is pretty slim. 3dpd and all that.

>>15996677

You are right. He shouldn't marry at all. Asian women are still women and have the same deficiencies, so it is pointless.

>>15997897

What's so great about it?

>>15997897

Make like a Jap and kill yourself, weeaboo.

Is there an anki addon that will allow me to manually start a new day instead of relying on the "Next day starts at" option? I have trouble with it because I'm a retarded NEET with no consistent sleeping schedule, so I keep running into situations where I have two days worth of reviews piling up even though I didn't miss a day from my perspective.

>>15998503

It's an unreasonably photogenic, unreasonably nice place with a homogeneous people who understand order, are generally polite and respectful. They queue, walk in 'lanes' on stairs and escalators and ride bicycles on the sidewalk which works better than you'd think. Even small insignificant social actions are often done thoughtfully and with consideration for others. They have a strong spiritual connection, and seem to find comfort in perfecting the art of their chosen craft, no matter how mundane, in contrast to the stereotypical restlessness and hunger in the west.

The metropolitan architecture feels familiar and stylistically the country feels as if it stopped in the 90s which I imagine is quite comforting to people born then. On an aesthetic level, it is relatable and decidedly human. The trains work extremely well and put all other nations to shame with their density and functionality. Amenities such as vending machines or train ticket kiosks are fast, relatable and functional as well, and lead to a feeling of futurism even as they are quite old and not particularly futuristic in appearance.

The countryside is pretty and elegant and is dotted by towns and temples. People live closer to the land. Unlike the west, I do not think that their supply chains are dominated by an oligopoly of large supermarket chains; I suppose the equivalents are Famimart, 711 and Lawson Station, at least when measured in ubiquity, although these somehow manage to be more wholesome than their western counterparts as well. Just outside the outer limits of all cities and towns there are farms, and it is easy to find grocers in all cities I visited who will sell you fresh and good produce.

Is that a good picture?

Honestly, I'd say 60% of its impact is the surprise of beholding a working country, and then you've got the intangible goodness of it all that is the rest. It has to be seen to be understood.

>>15996677

Nervous and desperate white woman spotted

>>15999955

>they value their environment much more so there isn't fucking trash and shit everywhere

But americans never shut up about global warming surely they care about the environment more.

>>15997897

weeb

>>15998503

no niggers or kikes, probably

>>15999955

Yeah.

On the topic of trash, there are no bins in public. Period. It can be maddening if you're not aware of it and buy a bunch of food whilst walking on day 1.

711, Famimart and Lawson have them just inside their entrances, but generally there aren't any. This made me reevaluate my approach to convenience being objectively a good thing. I think normalising the perception that the end of responsibility for waste is when it leaves your hand maybe was the wrong move and has led to our problems with litter in the west.

Japan also enforces that people sort and present their trash for collection in transparent plastic bags instead of bins, and garbage men won't take it if it's contaminated. I also believe they burn a lot more waste than we do.

On the flipside, many snacks and goods you can buy are triple or quadruple wrapped in plastic, which seemed excessive to me.

>I fucking hate cunts who ride their bike in the street. My city is pretty good about having sidewalks/bike trails and people still use the street.

Yep, mine too. And you get the 'pro' cunts who ride on major roads in their faux branded Lycra, sometimes two abreast so you can't pass. They're the worst, and very entitled and vocal. I love how because they feel like they're going fast, they stormily insist in newspaper columns and whatnot that cars and cyclists can coexist and that it's not an inconvenience.

A byproduct of the Japanese way is that sidewalks are quite large which adds a nice feel.

I've been trying to use the Core2K/6K deck on and off for a few months, and I eventually turned off adding new cards when I ended up with 40 or 60 or something, but I've noticed that I have a LOT of trouble with how kanji SOUND as opposed to their meaning which I catch onto pretty quickly. Would it be viable to just learn the meaning of the Kanji first, and try to learn how it's said sometime down the line once I'm a bit more comfortable with vocab and can string sentences together? I feel it would be easier for me to remember how they're said if I hear it in different context with subtitles to read along, on top of re-doing cards. Understandably not as efficient a way to learn, but still doable for someone mainly wanting to read/listen?

>>16001586

Ive found the deck to be a good way of learning the kanji and the vocab. As you begin to see more kanji youll notice that some begin to act in the same way they modify others. 分 and 今 are two examples off the top of my head that basically function the same with every kanji they get paired up with. I also suggest using jisho on some kanji you have never seen as it helps.

>>16001611

I'll keep Jisho on standby, thanks for that I needed it, but my main problem is that I don't know how the Kanji sounds, rather than what they mean or how they modify each other. I've gathered that early on 今 is paired with other kanji to mean "this" like "This week" "This year" etc.

I know what 今 means in the context of what I learned, just if you asked me to verbally say 今 I would have no idea how to. My main question being: if knowing how to verbally say 今 is as important as being able to translate it's meaning for someone who mainly wants to know how to read first, listen later

>>15990423

I don't know if there is any one best way to study grammar, other than grammar guides/videos and lots of reading. What has helped me is using lot if different sources. I read through two different grammar guides before trying to read much, then have continued to check out other sources and watch different videos as I feel I need to. Different people will explain things in different ways, and some may connect better with you than others.

>>16001586

>>16001644

You could focus more on meanings, but you'll want to know how things are spoken if you ever want to listen to anything, and it also helps with looking up words. Most kanji only have 2-3 pronunciations, and you tend to pick up those as you learn more words with a kanji in them. You could also try finding some stuff with japanese subtitles to watch so you can read and listen together. There are also oddities that you just have to memorize too. 今 is a good example actually. Commons words like 今日、今朝、and 今年 have abnormal pronunciations, but you see them often so it isn't too hard to remember.

>>15999955

Where is the panty?

>>15990423

are you practicing the grammar points or do you just read them and then try to "practice" them by reading general material? If it's the latter, you should try incorporating focused practice exercises into your routine.

Go to the sticky and download Genki; do the problems at the end of each chapter and do the workbook. If you need more, MIT has a website where they post the homework worksheets for their Japanese classes.

So whats V's verdict on this thing for learning

https://erogedownload.com/downloads/love-language-japanese/

will there ever be a game which when you finish it you can read, understand, speak, write and act japanese like you were born in japan?

>>16002317

Definitely not one anyone would want to play.

>>16002317

It would take literal years to finish that game as a player. Not to mention the inherent difficulty in teaching someone to speak and pronounce Japanese correctly from a video game. The best you could hope for from a game would be reading ability, grammar, common phrases and when to use them, that kind of thing. Writing and speaking would take a real human being to review, correct, etc. It took me 9 months of intense study and practice while in Japan to become comfortable speaking in a normal, daily conversation and even now, if things get outside my comfort zone, conversation quickly becomes difficult. Talking about school or food? Cakewalk. Want to talk industrial treatments for metal being used in rockets being sent to space? Fucking hell that is some high level vocab right there.

Having said that, I want to AGDG a Japanese learning game to get players through the kana and baisc kanji, through the N5 level or so. https://www.jlpt.jp/e/about/levelsummary.html Simply sitting down with an anki deck is technically possible (God knows how many hours I've spent with flash cards in my day) but learning in context is simply better.

>>15998803

>>16000516

there is a lot more dirt under the surface but its not for jap learning thread

im tired of not being able to identify the hiragana/katakana scribbles that are used in manga as onomatopoeia and background discussion, how do I?

>>16002598

>onomatopoeia

I love these, not even sure why. They're just fun. Try this out:

https://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-onomatopoeia/

>>16001586

The majority of a time you can made a decent guess at what reading a kanji uses by what type of word it's used in. It's not absolute but it can be nice to at least have a guideline for making an educated guess about pronunciation. You may find it helpful to familiarize yourself with which reading is which when learning new characters and maybe try to learn a word which uses each.

Jukugo, words consisting solely of multiple kanji, tend to use onyomi readings. For example, 熟語. Words containing okurigana, kana in the midst or at the end of a word more often use kunyomi, but we have to go into more detail. In the case of such words featuring a single kanji and some okurigana, it's typically kunyomi. Example, 読み. In the case of a compound word made of a verb stem and another verb, it's typically kunyomi. Example, 見做す（みなす） or 持ち切り. In the case of a compound word made of a verb stem and a non-verb, the verb will typically be read with kunyomi, but the other word can kind of go either way, probably based in the other parts of this guideline. For example, 送り仮名(kun-on) or 耳障り（kun-kun）. Words composed of single kanji can go either way, but I kind of want to say that if they have a common kunyomi reading, then it more often tends to be read with the kunyomi. Example, 猫(kun) or 旬(on). Sometimes you can use either reading, but they may mean different things, such as with 本. Hope I didn't forget something.

>>16002598

Try and find something handwritten you can read, that should help get you a step closer. Maybe use a calligraphic font in Anki. Practice makes perfect. Uhh, the first volume of ぴっぴら帳 is handwritten, but pretty neatly as I recall, so it might not be good practice. Some doujin authors handwrite their stuff, so try that.

>>16002598

if you aren't already, look at them in terms of stroke order and direction and ignore the shape, then think about which kana has the same strokes as the one you're looking at.

>>16001644

As the other anon said you will want to learn how to pronounce them. Back when i started the 10k deck i was just associating symbols with text. That got old fast because i realized whats the point of doing that if i cant even pronounce them. Its practically on par with learning english by seeing that a nearly complete circle (c), a circle with a line on its right side (a), and a cross shaped letter (t) means "cat". Sure i know the combo means that but wow itd slow comprehension down by so much and you may as well not make the effort to learn at all. While you learn be listening to things so you can begin to hear the words in context. I was having trouble with なるほど until i kept seeing it in context and hearing it spoken and it finally just clicked. Dont just drill flashcards all day, go watch shit or play or read. Anything that exposes you will help you begin to understand the language better.

>>16002272

Judging by steam reviews its in a shit state with what appears to be a fair amount of grammar issues. You are better off using reputable sources rather than some indie dev who apparently cant spell properly/properly structure sentences.

>>16001586

If you're only 40 or 60 in you should just keep trying it as is. I struggled a lot for the first week or so. Some of the kanji you see early on won't pop up again for a while, or at least not with the same reading. Once they do, you start connecting the dots and old words you struggled with can become a lot easier. Honestly, I'm halfway through 2k/6k and I feel like the word order being changed around a little would make the deck a lot better.

How do you spell it when they do they thing where they go "yoooooooo"?

"よ~"?

>>16002882

>>16001848

>>16002996

>>16003400

Thanks for the advice, guess I need to supplement my learning with a bit more variety and listening. I had always heard that most Japs read sentences via the meaning of the kanji, rather than how they're actually said, so I was hoping I could get away with that too

How exactly would I say something like "I like/hate doing [activity 1] and [activity 2]"? Specifically, I want to know how the particles are done. I realize you must use もの Or のが but where would I put the "and" particle?

https://analytics.bnfes.jp/enquete/pc/sc6_request_jpn/

Tell them Denuvo is shit with the Nipponese you have studied.

>>16011064

ＸとＹが嫌い

or

ＸとＹが好きだ

>>16005345

Reading without actually sounding out the words in your head is a thing as in any language, but it's not really dependent on the meaning so much as simple visual recognition, maybe with the exception of glossing over a word you don't actually know.

>>16011064

For plain old verbs, as opposed to words like 水泳, you could say 食べるのと寝るのが.

>>16011064

Also, if your list is explicitly not exhaustive, you could use 〜たり…〜たりするのが

>Saturday

>winter storm warning

>sitting in my bed doing anki

>watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkbdAphkhA

who else comfy?

>casually cramming hiragana in my head over the past two weeks

So far, I have around 40 barely memorized. Honestly, I didn't think I'd manage to get this far as I've got piss poor memory.

>>15953492

Been a while since I touched upon the grammar tutorials but I'm giving it a shot anyway. She's saying that the underwear is boxer briefs in the first two bubbles but it must be very causal like because I'm not seeing the usual words/kanji I expect to see (そんな instead of なにその). Tear me a new one at will if I'm dead wrong here. I'd offer an amateur translation but I took it too literal.

>>16015808

その over そんな because she's talking about the specific 下着 in question, not a type of 下着. She's saying what's with the get up? Boxer briefs…? Naisu.

>>16015903

Thanks. That's a ways off from my comprehension. Won't let that discourage me though. Just too used to ultra neat and precise sentences in Tae Kim and the 2k/6k deck (and even then I mess up if they contain new words).