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>Persona 5 mad SJW angry

what?

made*

>>15881160

Connor is still mad about to this day. Like OP I find the salt about the game hilarious.

>>15881158

I've never witnessed any points you made. Like at all.

I didn't think they could make the dialogue and writing even worse than 4.

>>15881160

>>15881167

You weren't around at all during this shitshow were you?

Salt from faggots notwithstanding, the core game is the most dissapointing and hollow experience to date in the franchise. It all feels so rushed and half-cocked, like they had to remake the game partway through (see: Igor's VA passing). If they had more time to flesh out mementos and the daily life more, it could had been a good game. I can only hope that if we get a Crimson version, it addresses these issues and more, like the godawful confodant/s-links.

>>15881182

The game's second half felt rushed.

>>15881181

yeah, i thought i saved it but i guess i didn't. the list boils down to "add some fags and trannies, change the MC so he's not a patriarch who dates whoever he wants, make the game suck" etc

>>15881198

In a better world, Atlus would commission Kamiya to do a press release for them, starting at ten thousand yen and removing one hundred for every word spoken past "No."

>>15881160

From what i gather, too many cute waifus not enough gay faggots. But also because atlus didnt wouldn't hire them to be translators so they got all butthurt and said the japanese portions needed to be localized to make sense to american players.

Which i found hilarious because for a group thats always harping about respecting other cultures they sure enjoy erasing it when its convenient

who are you and why should we care about your opinion?

>>15881341

who are you and why should we care about your opinion?

Didn't know that Aaron Lawson is politically motivated, good to know.

no one cares.

>>15881182

Eh, I think it's significantly better than P3 or 4. I can't think of anything those games do that P5 didn't improve on.

I just wish the game wasn't so long, it takes >40 hours just to get your party together which is ridiculous. Maybe it's simply the fact that I personally don't have time to play 100 hour jrpgs anymore.

>>15881454

THE AGE OF MARK'S BUTTHOLE HAS BEGUN!! You can just slightly modify the image, and marks bot won't remove it.

If the switch port is untouched I'll buy it day one but if it's been molested I'll buy the PS4 version a few weeks later. Maybe I'll even borrow a PS4 to play it on

All of this to support not cucking to western faggots and their faggot localization demands.

>>15881422

>>15881467

Bump

Game was shit, but it was a step in the right direction for handling translations and it made a ton SJWs extremely assmad. 6/10 on it's own, but 8/10 if you take into account the aformentioned factors.

>>15881509

>game was shit

>6/10

>8/10 for its politics

Have you considered becoming a games journalist, Anon, I think you've got the stuff.

>>15881197

These retards don't know the first thing about game design. It's incredibly easy to play a game, and then blurt out things that you would think "improve" it. A lot of these are also incredibly vague:

>Better pacing

>More diverse range of personas

>Make personas more interesting as characters

>More substantial inter-party relations

>Streamline the fusion process

>Add more elements to the game to keep the combat interesting

>>15881529

That's a personal score, not one I'm writing for a website.

>>15881560

What it fucking needed was a challenging post game, difficulty changes being more than "bigger numbers for bad guys, smaller numbers for you" aside from the hardest being "crits do more damage", which just gets you fucked over by RNG more often, the level & puzzle design to be more than just a step or two above straight hallways and pushing the right buttons, and to drop the fucking handholding during dungeons.

>>15881560

>More diverse range of personas

I hope they resurrect the team that made the SMT games, create a largely Japanese-understanding-of-the-Christian-mythos game again, slap the Persona label on it, and call it a day.

is ps3 version worth it? dont have 4 and see no reason in buying for like 3 games

>>15881578

>Expecting anything good from modern Atlus

The original founders are long gone anon. Plus the current SMT team is divided into two groups, one that wants a classic SMT experience and the other craves waifu shit.

>>15881757

Fuck off Connor.

>>15881168

<NO! YOU'RE NOT ME!!!

As I sit there for the 4th time wondering why I don't tell these people about how Shadow's work, or try to even stop them from triggering a boss fight that doesn't need to happen if they just would listen to reason.

>>15881431

>Eh, I think it's significantly better than P3 or 4. I can't think of anything those games do that P5 didn't improve on.

I felt like it was a step down for social links in terms of writing. I literally couldn't bring myself to care about all but 2 of the non-automatic confidants. Persona 3 still has the best overall number of them. And I still would put P3 as being the best of the PS2 and onward persona title if only because while it's rough around the edges, it's mistakes seem to be more accidental as a result of experimenting with a new design. Persona 5 was just boring, had weak dungeon designs despite finally ditching the procedural generation. And combat is still a frustrating mix of having to carry your party since you're the only one who can swap persona, and then having to potentially retool some of your strats because bosses aren't weak to things and outright immune to status effects.

This game was also the absolute worst with advancing time through cutscenes. Even without the end game stuff entire weeks fly by which fucked with my only run when it came to planning out confidants.

>>15881765

That website was created solely because P5 was translated in-house instead of done by some cancerous "localization" company that could inject their politics and "pretty it up" by removing "problematic" elements. The relatively few problems there are with it are blown out of proportion on that site, and it just happened to be created for a game translated in-house rather for something else large that actually is an abomination of a translation like Fates or the many other recent examples of butchering a game's script. Connor's excuse for this basically comes down to "I didn't feel like it" when questioned why he ignores far worse translations in favor of taking the time and effort to create a sleek website for pointing out P5's problems. In addition, he's has ties to and is friends with many of the people who defended Fates' translation among other terrible translations.

Saw a trailer for it while I was out and about. Honestly, looked pretty good. I’ll probably pick it up when it’s around 20 bucks

>>15881796

It looks good because being stylish is the main selling point. The gameplay is servicable and the story is average at best. It's all aesthetics.

>>15881726

read that it can struggle on ps3 with crowds and it runs only half the framerate?

>>15881197

Jesus fucking Christ. Half of these are "throw the entire franchise's established systems out the window to appeal to our ADHD".

>>15881158

How does it feel knowing that Octopath Traveller greatly outsold Purse Owner 5 in just two weeks?

>>15881945

is octopath actually good?

>>15881786

>>15881765

This this fag didn't even play the game so I'll put it another way. There was a bit of jank in the script in one or two places, but overall there was nothing wrong with it. 90% of that website is made up of either nitpicks or is flat out wrong because even the lines that seem wrong make sense in context.

>>15881945

>Persona 5

>In its first week of release, the PS4 version reached first place with sales of 264,793 units, while the PS3 version reached second place with 72,974, resulting in total sales of 337,767 units.

>Total worldwide has been quoted at "over 2 million" or 2.2 million

<Octopath Traveler

<"The game sold 188,238 physical copies within its first two months on sale in Japan, and placed at number one on the all-format sales chart."

<"By August 2018, the game had sold over a million copies worldwide."

Define "greatly outsold".

>>15881964

garbage lazy cash grab. would have been shat on if it came out after FF6.

>>15881175

Has there ever been a game before where the mature older women were across the board the objective better girls?

>>15881968

>this fag didn't even play the game

Which fag are you referring to? Me, the other anon, or Connor?

>>15881996

Sorry not you, Connor. Assuming he's not Connor, Connor-like, or just baiting, but legitimately misinformed I thought it was important to add to your explanation about the smear campaign to include the perspective of what the translation is actually like. I should have stated that clearly.

>>15881990

>would have been shat on if it came out after FF6.

didn't ff6 come out in the nineties?

>>15881158

>I gotta say the game is alright nothing too good or really bad

This is a summary of all of the last four years of gaming (barring some egregious examples like NuMale'sSky and Fallout 76). It's all drama and controversies just for the sake of keeping the titles relevant for a few weeks. Reminder that Mario Tennis Aces was pretty damn good (even though nowhere as technical as 64) but it immediately got memoryholed because of how the modern world goes.

>>15881158

I loved it. I played it 3 times which took 300 hours. Its not perfect but i still love it and definitely one of the best rpgs for the modern era

>>15882069

>Reminder that Mario Tennis Aces was pretty damn good (even though nowhere as technical as 64)

can you do AI vs AI matches in Aces like in 64?

>>15881964

You might like it if you like SaGa

Whats the proper way of playing the SMT and Persona series?

Is spin off games like Dancing All Night relevant?

>>15882148

P4D was a good rhythm game on Vita, although I heavily recommend playing the jap version over the localization (mostly because of the forced dub featuring Ashley Burch as Rise). I still did cut the voices off during the gameplay parts (who just comment how good you are) because they tend to be distracting.

P3D/P5D are shit on the other hand. Worse soundtrack and remixes, shitload of DLCs. I recall P3D/P5D sold far less (PS4/Vita versions for both games counting) than P4D on Vita alone in Japan. Atlus tried to jew its customers this hard and it quite backfired.

>>15882148

>proper way

Did you mean the proper order? Because that's quite a bag of worms. In persona's case, start from 1 (I recommend the psp version) and if it doesn't tickle your fancy at least try 2 innocent sin

3 and up are high school life management sims set in a combination of world of darkness and don't rest your head. Worth a play I guess but I miss the more direct storytelling in 2 innocent sin and 2 eternal punishment

As for recommendations on HOW to play SMT games in general, the primary rule is to not overlook demon negotiation and recruitment. Negotiating can get you items, cards (persona 1-2), and pokemans. In the Raidou Kuzunoha games you recruit by stuffing demons into tiny tubes against their will so negotiating is not really a thing.

So i'm probably gonna get Persona 5 for christmas, and I was planning on playing it, while a friend of mine watches. They kept suggesting that I play 4 first, or wait for 5 to come to PC / get the enhanced edition. Do the enhanced editions really make that big a difference?

Should i really play 4 first, or does it not really matter at all?

>>15882142

This guy is kind of a cute trap. Too bad he's a moral fag about piracy.

>>15882236

You forgot Persona 3 Portable which had Female MC, controllable teammates in battles, and the story told more in visual novel format (although the dungeons are played the same as in the PS2 version). There is the eternal debate between FES and P3P, but i think both are good in their own merits.

P4G is still an improvement over the PS2 original despite the Marie character, which you can safely ignore unless you aim for the exclusive dungeon + new ending. Adechi also get a Social Link in P4G with the Accomplice Ending.

>>15882196

>>15882201

>>15882236

Thanks anons. I have played a little bit Persona 1 (The PSP version). I mostly stayed in the mall due to the theme.

Regarding SMT is it just better to play it release date wise?

>>15882237

Kinda, he had a real gud open letter to (((Mother's Basement))) about why he pirates anime. That said I don't need to agree with someone on everything.

>>15882256

I didn't forget P3P, but I don't consider it a special edition. I originally was writing it in, but I have a tendency to be long-winded and wanted to be concise. I probably should have mentioned it.

I completely forgot about Adachi's social link. You're right, Golden is better, at least for that reason alone.

>>15882260

You can try that if you want. It's a pretty open ended series.

>>15882069

>This is a summary of all of the last four years of gaming

I'd say most games that have come out have been pretty ass and once in a while something ranging from alright to good will pop up on the radar.

>>15881599

The PS3 version is only 720p(1080p on PS4), longer loading times and has framerate drops while the PS4 version doesnt, but it's better than emulation.

>>15881619

>20fps in the menus

>blurry as hell

>glitches

>buggy music

>>15881158

>Bitter SMT fags here sperg each Persona thread like this game personally molested them as a child

They've been like that since realizing that Persona is the superior series. SMT even started to become Persona-lite, which is funny considering how Persona came to be.

>>15881197

>MC Death=Game Over

That's been providing salt for as long as I can remember. It sucks when you get fucking nuked, but p3p and Golden gave us the ability to manage our party members, which helped. Players just learn to save often and to never get too far from a save point or exit.

>faggots

The closest the game will ever get is FeMC in P3P with Aigis and MC with Ryoji. This isn't Dragon Age, so keep that shit out. They do serve a purpose as joke characters in the series and that shouldn't change either.

>>15882355

>That's been providing salt for as long as I can remember

Because it not only runs counter to how the Persona series had previously structured itself, but it's a dumb move regardless of whether or not you control your teammates or not. Unless nobody has a revive spell, or your item pool is completely devoid of revive items why can't anyone else on your team revive you? For that matter, since anyone who is KO'd in a fight is revived with 1HP after combat, why not do the same to the MC?

Persona 3 made a lot of mechanical changes that put the MC on a bigger pedestal than was previously the case, as well as making the story circle around him more as well. But Gameover after his death is more annoying to me than not being able to control party members because at least that idea is neat even if the AI is a bit retarded at times.

>>15882237

How do you know he is a cute trap? Gonna need to see some proof

>>15882411

>why can't there be absolutely no challenge in these games?

Go back to RetardEra.

>tfw fucked up during your second playthrough and didn't get a specific Mishima request that would not only give you all Requests complete, but all books read too.

>tfw have to do a third playthrough just to 100% the game

>>15882478

You're not worth a serious rebuttal Mr. (1) and done. Game over as a result of MC death isn't challenge in the Persona games, it's tedium. Which is a good way to summarize this most recent 120 hour slog.

>>15882549

What would you do to change this anon?

>>15882562

Already said what I would do. For P5 specifically, since you already control your whole party, and one party member is already a designated revive machine as well as being able to stock up on items just let the other surviving party members use their skills/items on their turn and don't just end the fight. It's not a hard fix. What's the point of keeping someone like Morgana around, or buying all those items if you don't get to use them for yourself when you need them?

>>15882572

This isn't a bad idea to be honest.

>>15881619

What's your rig?

>>15882734

How hard is PS4 emulation?

>>15881850

I didn’t experience any “struggling” when I played it on PS3

>>15882218

I would say play 4 first, just because of their endings, I think Persona 5’s ending is best understood as a response to 4 and one part of it as to the series in its entirety.

>>15881187

There was a severe dip in the quality in the second half. Especially in terms of the writing, and there was that one dungeon towards the end that was really terrible, i think it was the one on the boat. It was just a bunch of copy/pasted identical corridors and it took several hours to get through.

Overall a good game but very inconsistent and far too long. There wasn't enough story for the game to be as long as it was, hence the sloppy drawn out writing towards the end.

Brilliant soundtrack though - best part about the game.

>>15883156

I don't understand why people don't realize Hifumi would literally just be Yukiko 2 if she was a party member.

Dub or Undub?

>>15881560

Well some of these aren't all that vague

>more diverse range of personal

They really shove a lot of mythology from curryland, the current team seems to have a huge hard on for their mythology

>more inter-party relations

It was lacking quite a bit in that, if I remember correctly the Hawaii trip and the not-disneyland trip were the only two group outings the team had. Even then they were interrupted or cut short by the story. I mean shit nigga, even the fireworks plan fell through because of rain.

>make personas more interesting as characters

Not necessary but it would be alright to get some dialogue from personas as you use them.

Apart else you mentioned is either vague or BS

>streamline the fusion process

How much more streamlined can it fucking get?

>>15881160

>>Persona 5 mad SJW angry

>what?

Burch and friends slandered the translators because they aren't with their clique.

>>15881172

>You weren't around at all during this shitshow were you?

What were the spergs and shills saying on 8ch? I never checked the generals back then and regret it.

I still don't know the premise of the game compared to say P4

Why did they have a stream embargo again?

>>15881158

i liked how its one of the few jrpgs with turn based combat that are actually challenging and dont let you just bulldoze through it by grinding. most jrpgs, if you play all the sidequests and whatnot, the main story is a breeze, but this if you dont complete the sidequests, the game becomes punishingly difficult.

although i played on the hard difficulty. never played on the others.

>>15883373

>Why did they have a stream embargo again?

Because going off of PSNprofiles trophy percentages. Less than half the playerbase actually completed the game (I get two numbers; 45% and 35% for the story completion trophy). And this is probably true of a lot of games in general and RPGs specifically.

If people can watch your game to get the only thing of real value; the story. That's less people buying the game.

>I still don't know the premise of the game compared to say P4

It has a better premise as P4 in my opinion. But flubs it in the second half by once again making the enemy a godlike representation of societies ills without making it a part of the story. Once again a reason why Nyarly will always be the best final boss in the franchise (I put Nyx as 2nd best though as Death was a more meaningful theme in P3)

>>15883373

>Why did they have a stream embargo again?

Because if you watch Persona for 100 hours, you won't feel any need to play it afterwards. All those faggots who were following giant bomb when they streamed P4 never actually touched the game later.

It's an asshole move, but I don't feel sympathetic to streamers anyway.

>>15883270

>>Post lamenting dubs,

Different kind of dubs, bateman, not the desireable ones.

>>15883156

>A bunch of extra bullshit that makes the game way easier than the original!

This is called gamer stockholm syndrome. I played the game and feel no resentment toward one who has it easier, but you somewhere regret it.

>>15883437

I watched my friends play P4 loads of times. It seems to get a lot of hate for the VN aspects of it(?) but I liked it just fine. This means that all the other games should be even better right?

>>15883437

Skip the first game. It sucks and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Persona 2 is made of two games but the second half is only in English on PS1 while the first half is on PSP. So if you want to play Eternal Punishment's upgraded PSP version, you need to be able to read moon runes. Make sure to play Persona 2 first because the gameplay is so different compared to 3 onward that you'll feel it to be a slog if you play the later games first.

On to Persona 3, I'd recommend playing FES before Portable because a lot of changes in Portable make it piss easy(You'll be over-leveled and have more money than you ever need by the 1/3rd mark) while FES is the more challenging experience. Portable is worth playing because female protag has different scenarios and characters.

Persona 4, just play Golden. It's objectively better in every way than vanilla.

Persona 5, the only difference between PS3 and PS4 is a few seconds of loading for every loading screen and 720p vs 1080p.

>>15883442

>That site seems to be awfully inaccurate.

I also wouldn't say it's the most accurate source, but as one of the few aggregates for trophy completion and going off my own talks with other people as well as the state of the industry. People just don't finish games nowadays and I can imagine that turn based, story driven RPGs suffer a lot from people just watching the juicy bits and not buying the game.

>>15883478

>Skip the first game. It sucks and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I think People should play the first game if they like old school Dungeon Crawlers. But if they play the PSP version they need to patch the soundtrack otherwise they will neck themselves listening to that J-Pop nonsense and lose the original mood.

>>15883497

>People just don't finish games nowadays

I'll admit I sometimes wonder what the hell people do with their games when I see the percentages for trophies, not even half finish the game. Then again, I can't criticize because I've a couple of games I barely scratched the surface of (mostly free ones). And on that note, I wish we could delete some games off the list, we can hide them for other people but still gotta live with the shame.

>the game that caused so much drama

Games don't do that, game journalists cause drama.

>>15883552

>he is a delinquent that painted his hair blonde

i'm aware but he still looks blonde

>not sphinx

Golems are artifical construcs given life through magical means, even Adam in the bible could be considered a golem, and that sphinx was literally created by the lies of the men in black suits so, even if shaped like a sphinx, it can still be considered a golem

>what the fuck is wrong with you?

an evil corrupt politician with ties to all the corrupt rich fucker in the world who controls law enforcers and is constantly fellated by the media and had everyone who could be come a problem for him murdered…

sure it sounds like almost every politician ever but the game did come out during the Trump Hilary campaign and Shido acts more like Hilary than Trump

>not a sad truth about over worked nips that dont give a fuck about their future

true dat, and it also can be aplayed to all wagecucks all over the world, but they still used the word "communal" to descrive the last dungeon

>>15883018

>Ann is a mutt

YOU TAKE THAT BACK FAGGOT, ANN HERSELF STATED THAT SHE'S NIP/NORTHEN YUROP MIX, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE TRACE OF MONGREL MUTT DNA IN HER

>at least you used the fly jew image I made when the game came

i would have sent you to the oven for your previous comment but i'll forgive you. You are an artist anon

I thought it was a great game, but the characters were not as interesting as in previous games.

>>15881158

>can fuck his own Teacher

His teacher was pretty cute

>>15881167

You seriously never saw any of this when the game came out? Really?

>>15883720

I wouldn't call them un-interesting, but it's sort of like Borderline Syndrome kind of thing going on. Every character has always 2 different personalities. Let's take Ann for example. She's portrayed as the clichée fake blondie at first, but turns out to be someone who is the best friend you could ever dream of. And thats the thing the whole point of the story. Everyone is putting up a facade. You can tell by the fact that you "unmask" enemies. It's on purpose.

>>15883552

People tend to see things that they want to see. Just as a leftykike will see Shido as literally drumpf and the ending dungeon an allegory for too much capitalism, an /pol/ack will see what this anon has seen.

>>15883676

>How Atlus fails fans of Persona 5

<but we definitely didn't fail Fire Emblem fans for the sake of an eric mem

You can taste the stupidity through the image.

>>15883711

>mixed race girls of races I like aren't mutts

Anon, all mixed races are mutts.

>>15883726

He didn't see them because he was making them.

>>15883758

Granted I didn't get everyone's relationship maxed out so I might have missed something more interesting.

>>15883808

There is nothing wrong with liking Japanese, but don't breed with them you retarded racemixer.

>>15883760

the word mutt is used only on mericans becos they are the kike's most loyal dog

the term used to descrive mixed races is often mongrel but it doesn't aply when the mix comes from 2 superior races like nips and nords

had she been a mix between anglo and kike like the average merican then it would be a different story

>>15883808

this

>>15883818

this to

if you like nips then help them maintain their purity

>>15883900

>there is a difference between me racemixing and a woman racemixing

No, you faggot.

>>15883900

>There's a difference between a guy like me marrying a Japanese woman and a white woman/man making mutt babies being a single mom

True but that doesn't excuse the problem. Mixed race kids tend to display traits you don't see in non mixed kids, not good ones either. jap girls can be pretty qt but race mixing isn't a good idea anon

>>15884030

>You cant disagree with that.

I can't, it's a pretty good point.

>stay on topic

persona 5 was pretty eh in my opinion, it didn't give me the drive to carry on after a while, I think I got to the museum and then stopped.

>>15884067

that's great but can you fuck the twins?

>tfw no twins gf social link

>>15883711

>even Adam in the bible could be considered a golem

so all white people are golems?

>>15883760

>People tend to see things that they want to see.

I guess when anons are hungry will think about bread.

>>15883018

> she's a mutt

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15883478

>Skip the first game

First game is really fun though, play the PSP version. I would suggest that you make sure you have some fall back saves every five hours because there is one thing in there that will mess you up if you don’t.

>>15884132

as long as it's 2d I'm fine

3d ok too as long as it's not full on nudity, cp a bad

>>15883478

>also seriously suggesting people play Persona 4: shitty OC and 20 more hours of BS tacked on before the ending Golden

>>15884149

Hell yea. Thats the whole attraction of Atlus JRPGs. Around every corner theres something that just completely rapes you and your team. I love it.

>fall back saves

Just like any other JRPG. Unless youre speaking of savescumming.

>>15884150

***panda

This is rather pervy.

https://exhentai.org/g/815101/7acc053ddc/

A somewhat new one. It's sort of a loli/monster mashup. I really love the proportions.https://exhentai.org/g/1318006/87b28b91ac/ **

>>15883478

>the only difference between PS3 and PS4 is a few seconds of loading for every loading screen and 720p vs 1080p.

Can you finally take screenshots/video in the ps4 version?

>>15884195

>sad panda

never have bothered figuring out a way past this. what do?

>>15884313

Newfags get out.

>>15884326

I've been here for years, just never bothered with exhentai as I have better probably and easier sites.

>>15884336

why even bother signing up for that hunypot when you can just go to nhentai?

>>15884030

>gets assblasted about racemixing

>racemixes

This logic is too retarded to be true.

>>15884373

It isnt racemixing if they're human just as me. And niggers or brownies are not.

>>15883830

>>15883808

you have really romanticized image of japan almost as bad as people have about eastern europe.

Still its sad those few pretty things left Abe and even worse the lefties in his party will destroy because Muh workers they just eased up access to japan for foreign workers like 375 000 of them, also are translating everything for them and allowing to bring families

>>15882572

I think it's a form follows function kind of thing. It's like playing a game of chess where the king is treated as any other piece and the goal is to capture all the opposing pieces. Sure it's possible to play like that, but you loose out on a lot of the interesting and unique challenges that make chess interesting.

It's the same thing here. If loosing the MC is no longer a failure condition, then the only way you can game over is through a total party wipe. Given that there's no turn order penalty on reviving an ally, the only way to get a total party wipe is to either run out of healing/revival items (not likely given the abundance available) or the enemy one shotting the entire party in one turn. The types of combat challenges that the designer can offer the player under these conditions is very limited (a pitfall that many of the Final Fantasy games fell into).

Admittedly, P5 is not a good example as the game is already lacking any interesting challenges as it is, but P3 and P4 have several bosses that would loose their challenge if protecting the MC was no longer necessary. I think this is also the main reason that several people disliked the change to allow direct party control as it reduced the designer's potential to offer unique and interesting combat challenges.

>>15884452

You keep telling yourself that kike.

whats gotten in to you stormniggers lately, dont you have enough secondary """news""" threads to circlejerk in? do you really need to shit up every actual video game thread now too?

>>15883711

>>15884756

Shido is a distilled and cynical take of the "political class" which produces candidates like Hillary that are obviously establishment-favored. Infact almost every boss each represents a different facet of social oppression, and are put in order of importance/significance starting at school and ending at god. It must be why the libshits are so triggered; because its an unbiased perspective on the same ideas they think empower their movement. Nobody in the real world gives a shit if you can't cut off your dick and call yourself a woman.

>P5 made SJWs mad

This is news to me. I always got the impression SJWeebs were all over this game.

>>15884794

I could just imagine if they got their disgusting paws on this game's localisation. It would all be about oppressing trannies and faggots and not just about oppressing people in general.

>>15884837

How do we keep getting (1)s like you ITT? Is this some CTR shit?

>>15884579

>I think it's a form follows function kind of thing.

I don't disagree with this point on principle. However, unlike in chess where the king being put in checkmate is played out between a bunch of inert chess pieces. What happens in P3-P5 is the being played out under the context of the Main Character being in group combat with other thinking characters. The simple question is "Why don't any of the other party members revive you?". Because you do it for them and it's not game over if they die.

All of this really stems from a bigger change in design philosophy. P1-P2 were about groups in the literal and mechanical sense, and while the MC was important to the story they shared a lot of mechanical emphasis with everyone else. So their death isn't any more significant than any other characters and a TPK is indeed what is required to game over. This changed with P3. The fool arcana became the only arcana able to change persona and was MC exclusive, removing the flexible parties of the previous games entirely. Mechanics like Social Links are build around, a single player controlled character interacting with, and progressing storylines resulting in mechanical bonuses and narrative progress. Unlike P1-P2 where other characters could have their character arcs (which were integrated into the story not secondary plotlines) resolve without Tatsuya/Maya needing to interject every time. All the characters in P2 have their own pairings and dynamics in the parties so you get stuff like Ulala and Baofu helping each other out. So it's not just the mute protagonist carrying the brunt of the narrative and this is also reflected in the mechanics of those earlier games.

As for P5 not having a failure condition. Even with game over with the MC dying, this doesn't make the game more challenging like I said. It just means that instant kills will sometimes feel cheap and bosses might just wipe you with a move and you have to restart it. So 15-30 minutes down the drain. And nothing is built around it like might have been the case in the previous games. I also would have liked the party to be controlled by AI, but even in that setup there's no excuse for the game to end if you die as your team should still be able to revive you unless the game wants to make an actual reason this can't happen as Death isn't the end of any character outside yourself

All of this revolves around making the MC the modern Anime protag/Visual Novel character. Everything ultimately revolves around them at the end of the day for better or worse it's mostly worse to me though.

>>15884756

>How are you anons that poor at planning?

To be fair, this game hit me with far more periods of time where time advanced automatically than I remember in previous titles and I don't use strategy guides so it's hard to plan around the less obvious skips. I also thought I had a couple extra months to grind out confidants before realizing I'd long passed the point of no return and the last two months were all cutscene. Outside of the story confidants I think I'd only maxed out 2-3 with the rest somewhere in the Rank 6 or Rank 8 range. I couldn't even be bothered to finish Mishima's SL even though the benefits are actually good.

>>15885142

To be fair, I didn't use a strategy guide with an autistic daily schedule, but I did consult guides on what to say to confidants. I wasn't that dependent on it though. I'd guess which response I thought was right for the situation, check the guide, and usually I guessed correctly. However I must concede that it did cover for my incorrect guesses and gave me a bit more time.

The periods where you're out of control of the schedule did seem a lot longer. It was really annoying for me because I was smack dab in the middle of trying to max Charm for Makoto's SL and June or July was particularly egregious for time management.

Actually spamming hot springs is probably what ate up my time for the SLs I missed. I'd waifu'd Makoto almost immediately and grinded that shit up only to be severely disappointed by her SL.

>>15885353

I'm pretty assblasted, but its not really hating Persona so much as hating the large amounts of anime-styled characters in the game.

Also Snake has no Echo character which pisses me off

At least Joker isn't from fucking Fire Emblem.

>>15885353

II was kinda assblasted because we didn't get Jack Frost or any other SMT rep, as obscure as they are compared to Joker and normalfags are just gonna use this poor guy as a pushing point for FoTM bullshit when he's not that at all.

>>15885450

>FoTM bullshit

By the time he comes out it will probably have been two years since P5 here and 2.5 years in Japan. I think the ship has sailed on "FoTM."

>>15881158

>Smash fags are ass blasted that Joker is now in Smash

And rightfully so because joker is trash

>>15885581

I'd rather have a pokeball/assist trophy like item for various demons.

>>15886041

>autist and used up whore's SL were infintely better

Those aren't Iwai and Yoshida. You can argue about Shinya being one of the best, but the best thing about his SL is the Oda Special you learn from maxing it.

>>15886041

Kawakami's SL is kinda meh beyond the start and the pay-off, although i do agree that Futaba has the best SL in the game, so much so that i barely even skipped any of it's dialogue since all of it felt so wholesome / hits too close to home.

>>15886073

Speaking of Iwai, it's a shame that his usefulness gets very diminished at NG+ runs. Iwai should have been able to even perform further modifications to the guns Joker already have, or maybe even sell some unique combat consumables (e.g: some sort of a lesser ammo reserve item, but you need to max out his confindant) that is exclusive to his store. His store pretty much screams 'shady fuck' for crying out loud.

>>15884837

Well take a look around and you'll see that you are wrong.

>>15884888

Checked trips of truth.

>>15885353

That Bowser comic is cute. I like it. Does the artist have more or only that one?

>>15885254

I didn't do any planning nor did I look up confidant answers and only missed out on Iwai and Haru (who were ranks 2 and 9 respectively. If I had one more day Haru would have been at 10). How was this so hard for you guys? I played on Hard btw.

>>15886073

I liked Chihaya and Hifumi's the best. I think Yoshida's was very good too, though.

>>15886066

Those are not disgusted pants, those are sultry pants.

>>15884888

>le 1 and done

Where do you hope on going with this? You even posted this 20 fucking minutes after I made my initial post as if I'm required to spam the thread with replies, you fucking idiot.

>>15886699

I have lurked enough threads to see lefty plebbit and twitter weebs proclaim their love for P4 and P5, I'd say that's a larger perceived userbase than the handful of screeching videogame journalists you think represent the average consumer of these games.

>>15886699

Theres another one with kirby

>>15887155

Thanks. I'll look for it later, unless someone has it handy.

>>15887009

I've seen more complaints about the game not being pro-faggot etc from that group than praise. If there is praise, it's usually something like this: "I love Persona 3/4/5 but I wish I could play as a girl/faggot/genderqueer where is muh representation"

>>15887163

The point is that the whiny faggots like connor never really posted here outside of before the game released when he was shitting about the translation. I remember seeing fags from other parts inentionally baiting to get gg anons to doogpile copypasta and feed (You)'s. There was one or two anons who would never address criticism about the game itself and would handwave everything with,

<Don't like P5? Well fuck you too, Connor. Everyone who dislikes P5 is Connor

The biggest faggot who actually shat up P5 threads was Caligulafag, fuck that jigaboo noose-dodger.

One thing i'll say about Persona 5.

I managed to finish it, and as a result it gave me a whole new appreciation for this type of game.

As a result i've purchased a brand new copy of Persona 4 because i want to play it properly - i previously tried playing it a few years back and i gave up after a few hours because either i wasn't ready for it, or i hated the music, or i just didn't get it, or some combination of the above.

But now my friends, i'm fucking ready and i can't wait to play it.

>>15887009

>Only post ITT was identical to the many posts already like it ITT

Being (1) and done isn't the problem. Being (1) and done while regurgitating the same line that a million other posts ITT have done is.

>I have lurked enough threads to see lefty plebbit and twitter weebs proclaim their love for P4 and P5, I'd say that's a larger perceived userbase than the handful of screeching videogame journalists you think represent the average consumer of these games.

This is a proper response, but even then we have the "constructive feedback" lists that Resetera made that were posted earlier ITT.

>>15886699

>How was this so hard for you guys?

I only missed out on those very same links, except Haru was at 3 and Iwai at 9.

>>15881197

>Cut repetitive dialogue (shit like someone screeching out already known information just so Makoto can repeat the same exact thing in a slightly longer winded way just so everyone can compliment her on being hyper intelligent)

>Get rid of the handholding and being forced to sleep

>Stop having characters be pervy even when it makes no sense or is cringy (gonna assume they were referring to Morgana acting like Milhouse whenever Ann talked to him)

>Have more unique dialogue for s-links and dating

>Rework the calender system so going out for dinner on the other side of the city doesn't take the same amount of time that making a single lockpick or reading a pamphlet does

>More voice acting for side characters

I see nothing wrong with these demands.

>>15888061

Make sure to get dianda.

>>15888759

Roger.

>>15886717

I guess the game is just 2 deep 4 u.

Overhyped in my opinion. Just another friend simulator to those that are rockbottom in terms of sociality

>>15889750

your sound card works perfectly

>>15889750

You sound insecure

>>15890135

Was Yu ever memed as hard as Joker though? I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but I don't remember P4 penetrating the mainstream as much as P5 has.

>>15890220

Persona 4 was big for some time, though I think Teddy was one of the more shilled characters from it. He was practically Atlus' second mascot for a while, it fucking felt like it.

>>15890135

Well, Atlus managed to jerk off P4 for a solid 8 years until P5 came out. If they do the same thing, they'll at least make it to the next Smash release in time for a new character to meme on.

Never underestimate the selling power of delayed main entries: look at how normalfags are excited about Kingdom Hearts 3 without playing the shitshow that was the KH spinoffs

>>15890135

Anon Yu was in plenty of shit, including fighting games, before his time was up. And honestly he still gets put in shit, like that ArkSys fighting game last year. He was in PQ2 and he'll be in P5A. Joker does have the appeal of a much more interesting design though (in the end Yu is just a guy in a school uniform).

>>15890285

>P5A

Please no

>>15890363

Dude they trademarked it in 2017. It's fucking coming, prepare your goddamn anus. Probably after the Granblue game. There will also be a P5 rerelase ala The Golden, likely announced right about when Joker will debut in Smash since it will probably be on both the PS4 and Switch this time.

anyone from /pg/ here?

>>15890135

That is life anon, then it will happen to P6 mc and so on

>>15881197

stopped reading at the suggestion to remove honorifics, that is some straight brainlet tier shit

>>15881197

>Restera

Yikesdyne

>>15881197

>Gay romance

>Less girls to romance

>Going Harem bad

That is a big no no

>>15890921

My breathen oh how I've missed you!

>>15881158

Can't wait for the real game to be ported onto the switch! Thanks for beta testing sonybros

>>15889255

>CUTE PREGNANT SHIT

NO

FUCK YOU FAGGOT, THIS IS TICKING TOO MANY OF THE RIGHT BOXES

*AHEM*

FUCK MAKOTO

>>15891117

She has such a good ass too, I wish the writers didn't try to make her some retarded mitsuru close. Mitsuru funded and founded SEES, so she has a justification for acting bossy, Makoto is just an autistic bitch.

>>15891130

excuse me but why would her ass indicate her level of intelligence?

>>15891156

It doesn't, it just makes my dick hard.

>>15884313

>>15884331

pathetic

>>15891162

it would be pretty rad if it did though. then we could have phrases like butt of the oracle, and librarian used to refer to a female whomst is in ownership of a rather high tier posterior

>>15891212

>beauty begets brains

that would solve so many problems

>>15890135

I know your pain Frostbro

>tgw you will never play as Jack Frost with his Demoni Ho skin.

>tfw you will never use his final smash to cover the world in the swarzebelt

>>15888154

I liked that. Thanks for posting.

>>15887308

Yeah that's fair, but I was referring to in general and not just on /v/.

>>15889750

Good post.

>>15890935

Are you surprised? It's Resetera. They're faggots.

>>15891117

>>15891113

The shogi girl would have been a better addition as the "smart" girl rather than Makoto.

>>15892915

>Unlikely but I wish they'd elaborate on his politics in the expansion

Fuck Yaldabaoth, Shido should have been the only main antagonist of the game. Or at the very least pull a more interesting twist regarding who is pulling the strings like in Persona 2. Rather than doing what almost every Final Fantasy game did by having fucking Zemus wind up being the bad guy and you wind up going to the moon.

There's this whole government conspiracy from various backers from street level thugs to major corporations and research firms all propping Shido up. And his policy is just some vague "make Japan great again" line but the story never elaborates on what he wants to change that isn't directly his fault. In the end he's just another puppet and he wasn't even an interesting one at that.

>ironically ends up feeling the normalest of the bunch

Yusuke is unironically one of the more reliable characters as far as the story goes. Yeah his social link and a couple moments show he's this autistic artist, but overall he has some of the better critiques and mannerism of the group.

>>15892915

Yusuke is great, sometime autism is a strength.

I hated persona 5's story, and it reeked of "FUCK GROWNUPS, FUCK AUTHORITY" which felt really fucking gay.

>>15893150

>implying authority is good

>>15893162

>implying authority is bad

it all depends on who it is

>>15893162

There's always going to be authority. Even if we assume pure anarchy, eventually someone with the biggest sway is going to take over and put in place how they want things to work.

>>15893150

It was more "fuck people who abuse authority." Which is a generic enough message that it appeals to everyone. The game even ends with the thieves trying to trust the non-corrupt elements of the system, ie: Sae.

>>15893130

>Fuck Yaldabaoth

I found it odd that he's a entity associated with chaos but the interpretation here is the exact opposite. That said I don't know if I'd wholly do away with him because I like the final dungeon a lot (theme is top tier) and the Seihai is a really good design. That said, that could work with a Lovecraftian deity given Nyarlathotep is described as having a thousand faces (I'm of the opinion this was a huge mistake by Lovecraft because authors using his mythos use him for everything and there's basically a swamp of edgy 13 year old OCs), is a canonical meddler and is the one being in Lovecraft mythos that is unquestionably malicious.

>Yeah his social link and a couple moments show he's this autistic artist, but overall he has some of the better critiques and mannerism of the group.

It doesn't apply to Yusuke alone but a thing I hate about s-links is that the best answer is invariably the ass kissing one. Sure, people will react more favorably to that but I thought the whole point of these is helping people grow but instead you're just there to validate whatever shit they say. As for his place in the group, he's the only one not kissing Makoto's admittedly exquisitely sculptured ass and that alone makes him the best and then add the tism fights with Futaba on top of that.

>>15893141

Yusuke has all the best parts in the game. I genuinely laughed out loud when he shows up in Hawaii like it's nothing.

>>15893245

He does have one of the WORST character introductions in the game and probably the entire series though

>>15893245

I will say Yaldabaoth is still better than Izanami was

Nothing's gonna top Nyx or Nyarly though

>>15893245

>That said I don't know if I'd wholly do away with him

It would be fine to keep him if he was made as a part of the actual game and not a last minute reveal. I honestly feel like they just introduced an entity like that to explain away the change in VA for Igor given his voice actors death. But that's ignoring that Persona games have always had a larger, eldritch entity as the true final threat.

I still really like Nyx because it was much better built up and fit more with the themes of that game. Even Izanami was hammered into the players heads in P4 because of the class lessons, but I don't think P5 really telegraphed any of the Gnostic mythos to the players to make Yaldabaoth "make sense".

> I hate about s-links is that the best answer is invariably the ass kissing one. Sure, people will react more favorably to that but I thought the whole point of these is helping people grow but instead you're just there to validate whatever shit they say.

Visual novel logic. This isn't about giving someone a hard truth, it's about saying the right thing to get your points up which led to the MC being a pretty passive and inoffensive person. On top of that very few of the characters have a struggle that really deserved a dedicated side story, I think the politician, reporter, and Doctor were the only ones I really cared for.

>>15883808

japs are nigger tier

>>15893223

>The game even ends with the thieves trying to trust the non-corrupt elements of the system, ie: Sae.

Funnily enough, technically Sae is also corrupt but in the other direction, helping a bunch of delinquent kids with government resources.

>>15893381

You know, if The Crimson wants to add something to tickle my knob, more scenes for the non-party love interests would be a good start. I'l like to see the others in swimsuits, for instance.

>>15893381

Yusuke is also outclassed in combat. He's a worse Chie and he learns too many unnecessary physical moves

>>15893381

>Easily missable talks in Mentos (and the place itself) hints away at something and in class you're asked what the Hearts suit represents - the Holy Grail - and I think that's about it.

I'll admit I never bothered to look up the meaning of the names of the various mementos stratum. The class lesson was also easily forgettable but I do remember that question popping up.

>It's not going to make any sense but I liked Kawakami's because my first impression of her was pretty bad,

I think her SL is fine, fits within the themes of redemption and being a victim of society. Not the most interesting to me overall, but not a bad story either. I think what I'm looking for in my ideal Persona social link is just removing party members from that framework entirely. Then the devs only need to focus on these side characters and keep any party conflict to the main story. If it's important that Yusuke still has an art block, or Ryuji needs to reconcile with the track team either make it important to the plot or don't waste my time just so I can get their ultimate persona and baton pass.

>>15885581

>>15885461

>pixie

>jack frost

Joker didn't make it in Smash because of 'franchise representation'. He did it because Persona 5's story was sensational, and it would have been even if the game was a brawler or a VN.

And honestly it would have made more sense for P5 to be a stealth game.

>>15893276

No SMT story survives its finale. Everything must turn into complete bullshit.

I'll give you a little challenge. Describe what the phantom thieves do in plain english, without memes or injokes or lingo. Stealing hearts doesn't really mean jack shit, explain it properly. Burch and company were right, but for the wrong reasons. The game dialogs are perfectly understandable, sure: but the inner workings of the japanese mind are not properly localized into english. All that crap about entering another universe made of cognition? Translates better to entering the minds of others. And the aforementioned brainwashing by truth? Much more understandable as 'taking away the mask', forcing one to see his true self'.

>>15894070

They brainwash people using a door through the collective unconscious to pluck out the root of their various harmful neurosis'. This more or less causes the person to "change," leaving only the memories and guilt of what they've done.

>>15885142

>>15885254

Is Guide mandatory for people who are stupid (like me) at this genre?

I dont play jrpg at all and dropped P3 because I got annoyed by combat system and some parts of dating sim,

>>15894343

For me, I used one since I knew I was going to lose motivation in NG+ and wanted to see as much as I could in NG+

However like that other anon said, SL's usually have an obvious response tied to flattery. And as I said usually I'd guess what they wanted to hear correctly anyways.

If you absolutely think you need it then go ahead.

>>15894343

If you want to max everything and only do one playthrough, you'd need a guide. Otherwise, the game is pretty easy, even though it'll fuck on your main character and kill you every now and then.

>>15894070

They enter a person's unconscious minds and steal the source of that person's fucked up desires, which makes them into normal, but unable to bear the weight of their actions so they confess. It's not like the game doesn't explain it to you constantly.

>>15894393

>>15894422

hmm thats bad I feel like play-with-guide is really detrimental to enjoyment of game because you spoil yourself constantly

>>15894454

Then play blind and try your best to plan things out properly. It really isn't that hard. I just had to autistically check if my choice got the most points before I picked it.

>>15894343

>Is Guide mandatory

For P3 s-links, then yes. That has a stupidly strict schedule. For P4 Vanilla, yes. For P4 Golden, probably no, just know that Death is only available on sunny holidays, so she should take priority. P5 doesn't require a guide at all as long you know to prioritize getting Chihiya to rank 7 as fast as possible and getting Kawakami to rank 10 as fast as possible. Then abuse the hell out of Chihiya's ability to never waste another day on a "your relationship will get stronger soon" type shit. Only go to a confidant if you know it will level up, otherwise raising your social stats is a better use of your time. Remember that every Sunday at the train station they sell a juice that's a ,minor stat up that takes no time to use. Also things like watering the plant which takes no time. Follow those basic guidelines and you should max all P5 confidants easily.

>>15894836

>Cue Soyny sounding the alarm. "Oy vey think of the children, goy!"

>Implying it won't be on Nintendo with Joker being in Smash as a tie-in.

>>15894422

>steal the source of that person's fucked up desires

That's already not-very-english, anon. It sounds like a direct translation from japanoose.

I guess it might be acceptable after years of duress with fansubs, but else it's incomprehensible and robotic.

>>15894836

1. Demand updates to game citing lack of polish

2. Criticize updates to game as betrayal to original

This is the hype-antihype cycle, where kids enjoy waiting for the toy, and then enjoy breaking it after they're done with it.

1. Jump on the bandwagon of Established Series Game X.

2. Feel like every game since Established Series Game X+1 are a betrayal of the original.

This is a form of traditionalism and again, what is staggering is that people repeat these motions without realizing.

>>15894070

>No SMT story survives its finale. Everything must turn into complete bullshit.

SMT II and DDS don't do this though? Hell I'd even throw Nocturne and Strange Journey (neutral) into the pile of good endings. I think the failing of some SMT endings is simply the lack of consistency between law/neutral/chaos endings. Persona games also have good endings although P3 and up suffer the worst from trying to do more than they set themselves up for. P5 sort of encapsulates this.

>I'll give you a little challenge

The phantom thieves utilize a form of sci-fi dream diving technology in order to subvert a number of key public figures and everyday citizens. The rules of this "metaverse" are as follows

<Any person with a sufficiently high ego develops a mental domain called a palace

<this palace is populated by the subconscious manifestations of that persons mentality and desires including a copy of themselves referred to as a shadow that acts as the overseer of this domain.

<people without sufficient ego don't have a palace, however their shadow can be found within a realm called mementos, which constitutes the collective unconscious of all persons within Shibuya and surrounding regions.

Regarding the change of heart.

<Within every palace is a sort of core manifestation of the creators delusion referred to as a 'Treasure'

<this treasure takes the form of the object the individual most closely associates with their delusions/desires.

So a former olympic athlete who uses that past prestige to escape consequences of raping female athletes through coercion, and abusing male athletes with physical violence; has a 'treasure' in the form of the medal he had won in the past.

<it is the task of the shadow to protect this treasure among other responsibilities

<if the treasure is removed from the palace, it will cause not only a collapse of the domain, but also cause the individual to regret their actions. A mental 180 and these people will confess their crimes and begin moving towards dismantling their real world enterprises to atone for their crimes

<likewise, killing the shadow will also cause the domain to collapse as this will trigger a phenomenon called a 'Mental Shutdown' the user will die soon after.

The only real sticking point is that why pulling a treasure out causes this. I played the game over the course of a year so my memory of the early explanations is muddled, but my belief had been that the intent of the person taking the treasure factors into the change of heart. For this same reason, you can program someones actions if you kill their shadow so they will act in certain ways (the train accident in the beginning, the principle standing in traffic)

So to summarize; the phantom thieves are performing mental reformation by entering into the minds of people and re-programming them to regret and recant the actions they committed which resulted in the suffering of others. Their targets are either high profile public figures or people who are singled out by various users of the Phan-site. Their goal isn't to kill the targets, but force their shadow to either recant which will have an effect on the user, or steal the treasure which allows them to also affect the targets mentality.

If Persona 5 has all these cute girls then why did they put the homosexual main character in Smash?

>>15896396

Fatlus better hurry up and announce a release date for that.

>>15896453

Original version of Persona 4 lets you romance all ladies without consequence

>>15896462

I have a Vita

>>15896080

The treasure is what causes the palace. It’s like a little seed the palace grows around. That’s why the treasure is always in the deepest part. Without the core it had been growing around to support it, the rest of the palace falls apart.

The psychological aspect is a fixation on some mental object that becomes the justification for the palace owner’s actions. For example, Kamoshida feels it is his right to abuse students because of that past achievement. Without it that justification to cling to, his palace crumbles and his heart is changed.

>>15891055

Yu was carefully designed. He’s supposed to be pretty bland and transparent because he doesn’t have a real shadow. He’s never supposed to look like he’s brooding over anything or otherwise having dark thoughts.

>>15896554

And the result is they made a character so bland that the anime writers made his character gimmick being that he's stiff as a board, sometimes literally as slapstick happens to him and he is unphased by all of it.

>>15893276

Nyx was great because they gave an entire month to build up to the climactic finale and his fight (all 13 forms) ended up delivering spectacularly as a climactic boss fight. He also embodied the themes that were very prevalent throughout the game so he didn't feel too foreign or out of left field.

The Izanami arc in P4 felt like an epilogue or extra inning so there was no need to build up to her fight as the peak story climax had already passed and the game could have ended without her without feeling incomplete. The game having a mystery element around it meant that her appearance wasn't too foreign or out of left field.

The big issue with Yaldabaoth is that he was neither well built up like Nyx was nor was he an epilogue boss like Izanami was. Shido was built up for more than half the game while Yaldabaoth was literally given half an hour between discovering him and fighting him. It didn't help that the story flat-lined for several hours after beating Shido. Even if he was given the proper build up, mechanically he was uninteresting and unchallenging as a boss fight, unfit to match the build up. He couldn't pass off as an epilogue boss either as the game story did not feel complete or wrapped up at this point.

>>15897935

Yalbadoath was there from the start as False Igor. or alternatively as the core of Mementos. Its your damn brainlet fault for not being able to read into or properly interpret the foreshadowing. God doesn't need an introduction.

>>15897935

>Nyx was great because they gave an entire month to build up to the climactic finale and his fight

But the final months of P3 are actual trash. They don't build suspense. They build fucking boredom. I wasn't tense to go up against Nyx, I was just happy to finally do something after the plot was put on freeze for seven hours.

>>15897977

>God doesn't need an introduction.

Ironically, in SMT this is never true. The tower of Babel, Millenium and the arc angels, the Conception. The color yellow, Thanos and the plot of P3. Or even the multiple class lectures and plot points that link to Izanagi/Izanami. All of these moments outright point to some divine and godlike entity pulling the strings or put the idea of something in the players head.

False Igor isn't a really good lead in because for the entire game there's no reason to question Igor's identity. He does the usual things and the theme of being locked up fits in with how the previous persona games have characterized the velvet room. You were in an elevator in P3, and a limo in P4. A prison cell for P5 wasn't egregious. So trying to tie false igor to Yaldabaoth happens in the same scene and isn't foreshadowed or telegraphed in any way.

>>15898510

They did the same thing for the English VA. Entirely new actor with an entirely different and more menacing tone. It honestly probably made Igor way more suspicious to English players since the English VA for Igor never died. Sadly they didn't get him for the few real lines Igor had in the game like I hoped they would.

>>15898510

In EN he normally just sounds like a creepy old guy. Like an Igor would sound. In Persona 5 he sounds like Rodin.

>>15898510

>The voice is a big red flag

If you were aware that the japanese VA of Igor died, and know how Japan operates when a voice actor for a long running title passes away, it's not that big a red flag. Just means that the nips are keeping the English games consistent with other things.

>>15898515

>"Welcome to my Velvet Room" since the room belongs to Philemon

This however would pass under a lot of people's radar. Myself included.

>>15898310

>"There's no reason to question Igor's identity"

>First time Igor restrains a guest

>First time Igor mistreats a guest (through the physical violence of his loli assistants)

>First time Igor talks down to a guest

>Velvet rooms in P3 and P4 take the shape of something taking you to a destination. P5 you're at the destination already.

There are red flags everywhere. I haven't played P5 in a long time, but doesn't he not even do a tarot reading in P5?

>>15898532

That's the problem with Igor in English. In Japan they had fun with the fact that the original VA died so they threw people through a loop with the deep voice thing. But in English territories it just seems like a weird change.

>>15899012

Also worth noting that he never performs any fusions IIRC. He has the twins do them instead.

>>15899012

I am pretty sure he doesn't even touch tarot, and instead delegates any demon/fusing/forecast shit to the twins.Havent touched it in over a year. I also cannot understand how casual fucks actually didn't bat an eye at this, EN or JP voice. I know P5 invited in a whole new wave of secondaries and shitters, but is it too much to at least play P2 before talking about persona and its lore? I remember P4 threads when it was still new on 4/v/ in 2009 where anons got shit on for not playing P2. There used to be an ancient macro for SMT and persona with info on which to play and move on to after finishing each.

>>15899046

The voice seems like it would be a big tip, but that got spoiled for me long before I even touched the game

>>15899046

>but is it too much to at least play P2 before talking about persona and its lore?

Getting the newer audience to play any game before P3 would likely be a majorly tough sell. Still, even playing P3 and P4 before P5 would clue you into something being off with Igor. His voice, his aggressive mannerisms, saying it was "his Velvet Room" which he never did even in P3 and 4, the fact that he doesn't do fucking anything but makes the twins do everything.

>>15899046

I found bass Igor alarming. I was put off by him for the entire game.

>>15899012

>There are red flags everywhere

Fair. I guess I didn't bother to compare his new demeanor to previous games since I knew the VA had been replaced and just accepted he was a dick this game no question. Never occurred to me that Igor of all the attendants could be supplanted.

>>Velvet rooms in P3 and P4 take the shape of something taking you to a destination. P5 you're at the destination already.

The only point I would contend is this since you still have this theme of rehabilitation so waiting to get "released" from prison still works. So I don't think it's anomalous to not be traveling while in the velvet room. Stationary velvet rooms were the standard before P3 kicked in.

>but doesn't he not even do a tarot reading in P5?

He never resumes these duties or functions even after the reveal. It's all still delegated to Lavenda. I guess the game has an excuse of him being weakened from his imprisonment. But Igor in any form doesn't have any hand in fusion the entire game.

Which is kind of a cop out, because even after you have removed the cell room door, you can't walk up to the desk which would have been a nice touch in addition to Igor doing his tarot fusions. Even if it was only for the last sequence in the game.

>>15899050

Oh yeah, the whole "MY velvet room" thing. Yeah, Igor never calls it that because it's Philemon's velvet room and he's just a servant of Philemon Until Philemon's death

>>15897977

But Igor's presence (an by extension Yaldabaoth's) in the story was non-existent. He has a few lines explaining the general scenario of the MC in the first few hours of the game and then hides in the background until his grand reveal. He has no impact on the game story whatsoever aside from that. Nyx is pervasive throughout the story; fighting for the MC as Thanatos, dropping mysterious and vague foreshadowing as Pharos, and directly interacting with the party as Ryuji. Adachi was pervasive throughout the story as the mysterious murderer or as the clueless detective running his mouth. Izanami got away with minimal story interaction because the majority of the story had already been wrapped up by the time of her reveal and her arc was largely played off as an epilogue. Even Shido was more prevalent by interacting with the story as the unknown voice on the other side of the phone the executive was talking to or as the unknown assailant in the MC's backstory.

The point being is that every other antagonist had a facade or mask that allowed them to meaningfully and consistently be a part of the story while still being hidden. Yaldaboath had a mask as Igor, but as Igor he wasn't meaningfully or consistently part of the story so the grand reveal felt cheap like some random person with minimal presence in the story was stepping in at the end claiming to be the final boss. It's like some cheap murder mystery where the murderer is the butler who was mentioned only once at the start of the story.

>>15897983

Perhaps too long for most people these days, but I don't think suspense is what they were trying to go for in that last month. More of a "square away all of your regrets and finish all the social links that you want while you can now because there's no coming back after this" kind of feeling, and that kind of feeling has its own way of building up the climax of the story. Of course, if you've done everything you want to do by the final month, then yes it will be boring.

>>15900300

>Perhaps too long for most people these days

I felt this way when it came out, though. I've been playing this series for over a decade now. There are things I really like about P3, but in terms of general overall experience I'd still probably rank it last of the three "modern" Persona games.

>>15900335

It's my favorite of the 3. Mostly that comes down to the memories I associate with the game, not really having to do with what's better.

>>15900231

Its literally god, god is a control freak christfaggots and religion is for sheep, It makes sense, since Persona 5 is all bout fucking up Authority and telling freedom hating sheep to eat a dick

>>15900559

the gas station attendant actually shows up at the gas station whenever its raining

>>15900614

There was a rumor back in the day that Yukiko was supposed to be the original mastermind and that her hyena laughter was supposed to be the hint that there's something seriously wrong with her. I think there's even some leftover voice clips and/or code that also hinted at this.

>>15901887

Well I never got to figure that out because on rainy days I'd just fast travel to the mega beef bowl or TV world. In fact, I don't think there's anyone who didn't just fast travel everywhere as unless you're doing side quests, there's no reason not to. Some day I'll help keep the shrine open to protect the fox babies

>>15881158

don't laugh at bitter SMT fags, they have a right to be autistic and butthurt

>>15893216

Elliot Rogers isn't half white.

>>15902408

this, he's 200% Aryan

>>15902528

>>15902481

Rise.

>>15902578

>That's the answer that she likes the most

Still makes my dick diamonds to this day

>>15903517

She's probably thinking of something really degenerate, like holding hands.

>>15903657

what gave rise to that suspicion?

>>15896080

English 4/10. You used too much lingo ('mental reformation' doesn't mean jack shit, you took it from the equally bad 'societal reformation' in the game). And explaining 3 whole paragraphs beforehand is kind of cheating.

>>15910040

>I would improve the game by making it a crossover with my favorite, unrelated game series

Sonic fans grow up and give suggestions like this.

>>15909973

Sae could be done in a rather different and potentially interesting way of being able to steer her towards romance during the interrogation. That way the last few ranks of hers fits in nicely with the time you have left and during a time when she's sympathetic. Kinda like what you said.

>>15910084

>When you realize they could legally and easily add Sonic stuff into this game now.

If I had the items I'd log into PSO2 to make a disgusting Joker/ Sonic abomination for this thread.

It did kinda annoy me that they made it a point that she went into the Metaverse, but never did anything with it.

It also similarly disappointed me that they made a big deal about how someone should never enter their own palace and did nothing with that as well. It was a massive Chekov's Gun. I was certain that Shido's secret plan to defeat the Phantom Theives was to go into his own palace where he would have the power of a god. Hell, that could even set up the fight with the Grail more properly if he became so powerful that the only way to defeat him is to pull the plug on the Metaverse.

>>15881158

Did P5 really even cause that much drama apart from people bitching that it was an exclusive just because?

Shit's been typical of Atlus for years and years, don't know why people acted shocked by it.

>>15910862

The western PS1 and all PSP versions are fucked.

The first for the issues you listed and the PSP versions because they change things to more closely match with the Persona 4 design, in addition to making dungeons easier and simpler.

At this point in time the only way to play the original Persona games properly and uncensored is through the original Japanese.

>>15909973

I would like Shiho to have more prominence or Shogi girl to be playable. Neither will happen, we get a new donut steel oc and a tacked on sidestory and a new ending.

>>15910942

>PSP versions because they change things to more closely match with the Persona 4 design

Fucking what? Persona 1 on the PSP doesn't change the original gameplay. It unlocalized the cast and names, added back in the Snow Queen quest and is more or less fine. What the hell Persona 4 changes did they add to it?

>>15910122

Drama as in tumblr drama, then persona has a long history of that. Remember when people thought that Kanji was gay but the story was really about him liking doing girly stuff compared to his man's man exterior and the conflict between the two? That's the SJW mentality that misinterprets an obvious story to match what they want in their heads to be true.

>>15894070

the phantom thieves brainwash people to be more in line with what they consider is just.

They do this by entering their victims mind and stealing a portion of their soul.

>>15911225

According to P-Studio, the reason why Hifumi was cut was because they thought the story was already really long. That's why having her could work. Because if she's optional content, then you don't have to wrestle with altering the main story to accommodate her.

I'd like for her to take her rightful place in the party, but I think we all know the realistic route they'll take is give you the option to save Goro and then he'll rejoin your party.

So if a guy wants to play all Personas in japanese, what's the best version for each one?