/v/ - Video Games

1. Harvest Moon

Nobody cares about the rest

>>15881153

Well I played Stardew Valley and liked it but I'd care about it more if the developer actually developed more content for it as he said. I never actually played Rune Factory 4. So you might be right.

>>15881153

But Rune Factory has better waifus

The original Harvest Moon had a lot of room for improvement, so I'd order them

Stardew > HM > RF

Now if you were comparing the best Harvest Moon (64) it's a tough call. Rune Factory is a crappy RPG pasted on modern Harvest Moon (which was already terrible).

Which one of them is the most autistic?

I like harvest moon the best because in rune factory I always ended up just wanting to farm and not bother with the rpg stuff anyway

>>15881209

I replayed HM64 last year and boy is it way more brutal than I remembered.

Days go by so fucking fast if you have a decently big farm and a few animals the day is half over by the time you finish all your shit.

>>15881229

The day length works perfectly for all the possible things you can do in a day though. Early on if you properly balance your farm work you can make some decent cash and interact with almost everyone in the world in a given day. Once you get a greenhouse you can basically freeze time for all farm work inside buildings and use the rest for socializing and foraging. The only major complaints I have with it is feeding chickens was always tedious and unrewarding.

We talking modern iterations?

RF>HM/SoS>>>>>>>Stardew

Fuck stardew is god awful at everything it tries to do. At the series highpoints it'd go HM>RF with stardew still trailing massively far behind. I could probably go on for like an hour about how horrible every single choice in stardew is, to the horrible graphics, the absurdly bad pacing, the tacked on elements, shit it's so bad

>>15881246

>I could probably go on for like an hour about how horrible every single choice in stardew is

Please do, I'd like to hear all your shit arguments for why Stardew is so bad compared to the garbage that the modern Harvest Moon series became.

>>15881249

Story of Seasons is still superior, the OP was a farce to begin with without its inclusion.

>>15881249

Stardew tries desperately to have some overarching "plot" that ends up completely killing the feel of the game, the days themselves are far far too long leaving you with massive swathes of nothing to really do. The dungeon itself is fucking awful and the inclusion of weapons makes absolutely no sense for how horrible the implementation is. The character stories are all filled with melodrama that has absolutely no reflection on things happening. The graphics themselves are just a mess that could easily be described as "pixels because that's retro" as opposed to any actual care for the medium.

Modern Harvest moon is shit, but at least it doesn't pretend that it's anything but that. Fuck story of seasons literally just has your character be instantly liked by anyone they meet, and somehow that's still more fulfilling than the garbage that stardew valley has.

>>15881263

Story of Seasons is the same lazy garbage shat out by the same developers every 6 months for over a decade. It doesn't matter at all whether it's "true Harvest Moon" and you're not an erudite with refined tastes for noting it.

which one has lolis?

>>15881264

I don't really disagree with most of those Stardew Valley criticisms. It's safe to say that the mines don't really feel "complete", like they're still missing something.

However, what do you have in modern Harvest Moon games? Basic gameplay mechanics that are realized far worse than anything in Stardew Valley. It's like Marvelous learned fucking nothing after 64 and from the 6th gen onward could never figure out exactly what kind of games they wanted the Harvest Moon series to be, forever bogged down in tedious mechanics for realism's sake.

>>15881291

Harvest moon doesn't pretend it's anything more than it is, that's literally all it has going for it. Being completely unpolished and the disjointed feeling of literally everything in the game is what makes Stardew so bad, not that HM does anything decent. SoS does farming just as well as Stardew, doesn't pretend to have a plot, and is just bad.

Oh something I remembered about stardew is that money gets devalued obscenely quickly.

>>15881291

Harvest Moon doesn't have niggers

Rune Factory is far superior to Harvest Moon and Stardew Valley. Rune Factory 3, 4 and Frontier are the best games of the genre.

>>15881264

I actually agree with most of your points except for graphics and the pacing. You have to remember the developer worked on the game alone in 4 years and reworked the whole thing a few times. A $15 dollar indie game with pixel graphics is really what I'd expect in the end. As for pacing, I felt the opposite. You have a limited amount of time to actually complete even half your tasks in the game before the curfew forces you to sleep. IIRC a full day in the game is like 15 mins. When there's shit to do like tend to your crops, raising your bond with NPCs, exploring the dungeon, fishing, collecting stuff for the community center, you can definitely go through days without having nothing done. Though later on these become more manageable when you get speed boosts like coffee and a horse and the use of warp totems.

>>15881129

RF>HM>SV

Rune factory is the natural evolution of the genre and while the first three games had various fuckups, by the time the fourth and fifth came out, the Lufia devs made something close to a masterpiece of action RPG and slice of life synthesis.

The original HM series is the foundation and while inferior mechanically, should still be respected for it's innovation and a few of them still remain strong contenders like BTN\FoMt, AWL and 64.

Stardew Valley is pozzed as fuck despite trying to deliver an environmental protection message and suggestion to move out of cities to live in small communities which is healthier. The gameplay is adequate although the combat is lacking compared to RF. Where the game falls flat is it's writing and characters which are either boring or disgusting. As soon as you uncover the thin layer of dirt on the surface you find out that almost everyone is either an adulterer, a cheat an alcoholic or worse. The game even allows you to do unspeakable things like turning your children into birds and erasing your spouse's memories of you so you can marry someone else and "experience" all the content in one play-through should you want to.

Reminder that Story of Seasons is the real Harvest Moon. "Harvest Moon" is the name the American publisher Natsume gave the Bokujou Monogatari series. When the devs decided to self-publish, Natsume kept the Harvest Moon trademark, forced the devs to come up with a new name (Story of Seasons), and started shitting out shovelware under the Harvest Moon name in an attempt to cash in on the unaware. They don't even try to sell their self-developed games in Japan because everyone there would see them as shameless Bokujou Monogatari ripoffs.

>>15881129

RF>HM>>>being raped by a pitchfork>>>starjew valley

>>15881411

>h-he's supposed to be a dark skinned jap

>>15881418

The funny thing is that dark-skinned japs are almost always associated and looked as violent criminals in vidya so there's functionally no difference

Anyone got a good Friends of Mineral Town iso? Blackcats is down.

In terms of best arcadey farm sim

old harvest moon > rune factory > sos = stardew

best gameplay

rune factory > old harvest moon > stardew > sos.

Star dew and SoS suffering from the tone that they have. They mix too much shit in into the country atmosphere that doesn't belong. An example is the sample of waifus, where basically all of them feel like they should be living in Tokyo rather than the countryside. In terms of stardew it takes it even further by adding in depressing real life drama shit that has no business belonging in a fantasy farming sim.

my favorite harvest moon has always been back to nature (PSX). i've tried the n64 version and had trouble getting into it because it just looked so ugly by comparison. What other harvest moons are worth getting settled into?

best girls are always Anne>Popuri>Elli>Mary, for milfs its Manna>Anna

>>15881519

>where basically all of them feel like they should be living in Tokyo rather than the countryside.

Now that you mention it all the girls in Harvest Moon feel perfectly in place. At least in the ones I've played on the N64, PS1 and GB/C.

>>15881129

Rune Factory > Harvest Moon >>>>>>> Dumpster fire >>>>>>>>>> (((Starjew Valley)))

I didn't played any SoS games, so I can't say anything about these.

>>15881129

>rune factory and harvest moon in the same category again

Fuck off. Harvest moon/stardew are farming games, RF is a JRPG with a shitty farming minigame tacked on.

its time to embrace better graphics, theres no excuse, you can make 2d sidescroller look good, it doesnt need to be from the fucking 80s, i fucking hate deliberate downgrades for "artistic sake", nobody buys these, people buy what looks good and plays good

look at Dusk, it didnt revolutionize the industry but it sure made major strides graphically and gameplay wise over original Quake

>>15881129

Rune Factory > Harvest Moon > Stardew Valley

Rune Factory is easily the double of Harvest Moon in terms of content, options, story, etc It's a really great game, unless the farming itself instead of the relationships and characters are what you're looking for.

But if that's the case, SimFarm or Farming Simulator would be better anyway, so I dunno what you're doing with your life.

Harvest Moon is the root and the single best definition of comfy, made for a specific goal and masterfully crafted gameplay to weave everything together. The farm serves the characters and the characters serve the farm.

Stardew Valley is an attemp at Rune Factory. It's not a bad game on it's own and there's plenty of innovation to it. The terraforming and editing your own farm is miles better than any RF for instance.

However, the characters weren't that interesting to begin with and the graphical style makes it look somewhat unapppealing, unfortunnaly.

The ideal game would be something akin to Rune Factory, but with even more automation for the end game. Your farm would be something you plan ahead and supply with resources, the menial tasks would be left to your monsters\minions. Gathering materials should be done automatically by party menbers that you take with you. Clear a screen of enemies and they'll set out immidiatly to mine\harvest what's available, etc.

Doing the work yourself should simply be the early game cheap option that costs way less resources but takes your time instead, something you'd likely use up exploring and going on adventures later on instead.

>>15882756

>Elona if you prefer a more complete life-sim

I'll disagree purely because the relationship with anyone is basic-bitch tier, and your pets aren't much better.

The towns don't change much either, short of an atomic bomb, and there's a single festival in a single town.

Elona is still quite fun, but most of the side content feels exactly that, a complement to the main content and not it's own thing.

>>15882782

>a complement to the main content

There is no such thing as a main content in Elona.

Everything including the main storyline that most people just ignore is shallow and requires quite a bit of autism and actual roleplaying to be enjoyed.

Since it has so much different shit to do, being shallow doesn't matter if you roleplay.

The point is that in those games you can only farm, marry and maybe fight. In Elona in can do that, plus you can make a living by playing an instument, you can hunt for treasures, hunt bounties, go in wars, rescue little girls, turn into a little girl, nuke cities, join the slave market, breed pets to cockfight, fuck your pet dragon, fuck your pet robot, fuck your pet god, fuck etc.

It's a life sim where you can live as you want, as opposed to being stuck to a farm.

>>15882818

>There is no such thing as a main content in Elona.

Gaining levels, training skills, becoming stronger in general. Dungeon delving too. Also the main quest and every other quest.

>playing an instument, hunt for treasures

RNG based. The first gets better odds when you increase your skill and get a better instrument, but it's still spamming an action for a while and reaping the benefits afterwards. The second is literally RNG considering how you adquire maps, unless you have a reliable way to get them.

>hunt bounties, go in wars

If by bounties you mean the Hunt missions, there's nothing special about them. If you mean the named NPCs, those are also reliant on RNG to even show up.

Wars, I have no idea what you're refering to since the few wars that happen are outside the entire continent anyway.

>join the slave market

That's just selling excess pets you have, it isn't so much a slave market but rather a living cattle market, even if we're dealing with sentient species.

The point is that all these things feel like complements to the main content: getting stronger.

Farms aren't there to farm, they are there as sources of artifacts to equip, gems for your party to sell and high quality food to raise stats.

Ranchs aren't there to breed pets, they are there for high quality food and materials, as well as making copies of pets to boost your team.

Shops aren't there to roleplay being a salesman, they are there to give you a better way to sell your loot.

Museums aren't there to roleplay an archeologist or anything similar, they are there for the sake of being a colletionfag.

Towns don't simply exist as towns, they are there to offer you it's many services.

Guilds aren't simply guilds, they are "the guild that lowers prices for services" or "the guild that lets you order spells" or "the guild that has X skill in the trainer" They are still better than any TES guild with a single exception

Elona is at it's core still a roguelike about exploring dungeons and battling monsters. Everything else serves a support role to it and anyone that starts playing the game expecting it to be primarly a life sim will be let down, which is why I refrain from saying so.

>>15881298

>I miss pedobear

unrelated to the thread but it constantly bothers me everytime I see pedobear, it's not exactly funny but hopefully posting this will ease my burden.

>be 8-9 years old

>had access to internet for some fucking reason

>find out about pedobear with out realizing what pedo means, just saw cute bear and chasing antics on youtube where shit ripped from 4chan would be uploaded

>watching star wars episode VI with my mom

>ewok's come on

>eyes go wide with a grin on my face

>"PEDOBEAR!!" i shout

>mom says nothing

>that scene with the ewok piloting the bike

>"go pedobear go!!" I chant

>mom continues to say nothing, probably thinking about how I learned that shit

>finally get off the scene from the ewoks, as soon as they come back on mom tries to correct me by saying "oh look at the bears honey"

>shout again "pedo bear!!!" into her ears, pedophile bear into a 45 year old woman who has never had any internet exposure

I can never fucking put down this memory of my autism.

Of the Rune Factory games I've only played RF1 so far; while it's nice, I liked it less than Harvest Moon: there's an unfortunate imbalance between the ARPG and farming aspects. Making money with farming is way too easy thanks to caves having the same seasons all year round, upgradeable crops, and easy automation with monsters; and considering how there's barely anything to spend that money in. Farming, thus, quickly becomes obsolete (except for growing crops to give to the villagers), but then you can't devote yourself to spelunking either because of that silly thing where you need to wait until winter to access that one cave.

>>15883271

yeah RF1 is fucking rough, RF2 is flat out bad, and RF3/4 is where it really gets ironed out and is a good game.

RF2 has the dubious honor of completely separating the main dungeon crawling aspects and the harvest moon aspects behind a massive fucking grind wall. "YOU WANT TO EXPRORE DUNGEON OR UPGRADE TOOL? FUCK YOU GET MARRIED FIRST"

>>15884081

naw the best part is that one and two reuse characters and then frontier does too.

>>15884090

so you can somehow cuck yourself

As far as actual game goes, Rune Factory 4 is the absolute peak and nothing is better.

There will never be a rune factory 5

>>15884148

Thou deservest death. Prithee, ne’er post again.

What's the best starting place for Rune Factory these days, assuming that earlier ones might not be as easy to go back to from the sound of it?

>>15884201

I started with Rune Factory 3 and went to 4 aftwards. 3 is still ny favorite and easily has the best selection of wives. Admittedly, it doesn’t have as much content, but at least its content isnt locked behind RNG and being forced to play forever with boring days of nothing happening while you wait four your preferred girl’s romance route events to begin

>>15884201

3 or 4. Frontier is also a good place although it does have some carry over from 1. If you can stomach it you can play 1 and if you do, you're better off starting there as it is very bare bones compared to later games in the series. 2 i feel like you can ignore since I think it's kind of shit. Tides I thought was okay but it's definitely not as good as 3, 4 or frontier.

>>15884222

>>15884212

Guess I might consider 3 or Frontier, but isn't the latter a sequel to the first entry? Would playing those two out of order make much sense to even do?

>>15881161

The creator of Stardew Valley has done a ton of work on it since it first came out. That's the last thing you can fault him for. He does most if not all of the coding for the game himself.

>>15881129

Stardew: shit graphics and shitty villagers, mechanics and features were good.

Harvest Moon: some hit but mostly miss games, doesn't really innovate and the times it did failed.

Rune factory: decent, but the characters are over designed.

>>15884294

There's very little carry over from the games. There's some characters that appear in multiple installments but it's very minor.

Honestly this is the only place on the internet I can find that ranks Stardew bottom consistently, I'm convinced it's because not anime

>>15884550

It's because we're one of the few vidya boards on the internet that's not infected with soyboys and SJWs.

>>15884294

With Frontier, I would suggest emulating it and using a cheat that maxes out the runeys. If you don't want to do that then follow one of these guides, but not both at the same time.

https://gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/53052756

https://gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/48823743

The runeys are a serious pain, Frontier would probably be the best game in the series if it weren't for them.

>>15884550

>oy vey goyim you don't support my white genocide propaganda oy vey that means you love anime

Suicide now.

>>15884636

I forgot gamefaqs was owned by gamespot now.

https:// gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/48823743

https:// gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/53052756

>>15884658

Fuck, let's try it again.

https:// gamefaqs.game spot/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/48823743

https:// gamefaqs.game spot/boards/946789-rune-factory-frontier/53052756

>>15884636

>>15884658

>>15884662

Alright, thanks for the links. Thought I'd try archiving them myself, but apparently the site is invalid for doing so, or so the error page said. Either they block crawling or whatever, or the site's down for the time being (tried opening the links in two browsers and it stalls out each time). Might try again later.

>>15884550

That's because other boards are infested with normalfags and casuals and stardew is the type of game that attracts those types. Bear in mind these are always the type that have probably never played HM or rune factory and most likely have very low standards.

When compared to the other two series it falls flat by having worse mechanics than rune factory and lacks the charm of the older HM's.

>>15884621

Yeah instead you're one of the few vidya boards willing to let story and characters override actual gameplay concerns.

>>15884706

>Bear in mind these are always the type that have probably never played HM or rune factory and most likely have very low standards.

I've found the reverse to generally be true here; people that bash Stardew relentlessly have spent very little time with Harvest Moon games and just presume that the game is worse than the series it's cloning.

>>15884728

>Can't differentiate trolls from legitimate discussion.

>>15884735

it will be interesting to see where this goes. I imagine the developer will probably start putting out paid dlc at some point, so I'll probably just be pirating this in the future.

>>15884747

Yeah… dude was pretty retarded with his character design decisions.

>>15884747

This physically hurts to see.

>>15884747

It seems like almost all the women eventually got spaghetti/toothpaste hair.

>>15884747

The ugly hair aside both of them progress in the complete opposite direction, top starts out kind of bland and goes through an ugly phase but then actually looks like a cute girl. The bottom girl starts cute but then suddenly she gets fat and her face stays chubby and kind of looks like she slathers on makeup. Is that just me? Is this intentional?

>>15884728

>Yeah instead you're one of the few vidya boards willing to let story and characters override actual gameplay concerns.

Please tell give examples of how Stardew Valley's gameplay is superior to RF and HM.

>>15884786

no, that's pretty accurate. I'm guessing for whatever reason the creator decided he needed more "realism" in his game or some shit.

>>15884747

>Women Before and After College.jpeg

>>15884859

>Women Before and After College.jpeg

This is accurate as fuck.

>>15884866

Me? I'm a burger. The creator of Starjew? Then that makes sense.

>>15884897

What's Jewish about Stardew?

>>15884904

The publisher?

>>15884913

How? Games doesn't have DLC or microtransactions or other Jewish shit, as far as I know.

>>15884922

the dev left the publisher though, stardew is bad with or without chucklefuck's involvement. Mainly due to spritework honestly.

>>15884922

Only game I know from that publisher is Stardew. And I don't see anything Jewish about that game. But I guess Chucklefish is different?

>>15884922

He actually got his game back from them and is self publishing it now. It's still pretty gay though.

>>15884747

where is the mod that restores it?

>>15884786

The problem is I'm pretty sure they are both the same girl. First it improves (even the "ugly phase" in the top is still kind of OK) then it suddenly gets awful and then keeps getting worse.

>>15884969

You didn't actually point out anything Jewish about the game itself. Just the publisher. But I'm not gonna argue with you or anything. I enjoyed the game enough to play through once. It has pretty much no replay value at all, though. It's an okay game. I wish more games were made by individuals or small teams that were motivated to deliver a vision for a game, just for the sake of making a game. Not as part of the industry bullshit.

>>15884801

Pretty much all the farming mechanics. Ever since the 6th generation the Harvest Moon series has added all sorts of pointless fluff animations to basic chores that have the cumulative effect of bogging down gameplay. And when it's not doing that it comes up with really superfluous choices (hybrid crop shit in Wonderful Life for instance) that add nothing of substance to the gameplay. Stardew Valley has that to a mild extent with its number of crop choices (and ducks which actually make less money than chickens), but it's not quite as bad as the modern Harvest Moon series has gotten. Finally, using a mouse to aim actions is true step up in terms of controls.

They're all shit

Fuck video games

>>15884569

The creator tried to hard to make the characters feel "realistic" so a lot of them come off as insecurity porn wankery, which seems to be the biggest source of the mainstream celebration and promotion of Stardew.

>uwu I feel anxious about social interactions!

>give me a red flower and I'll tell you more about my social awkwardness!

>>15885206

have a (you) on me

>>15885185

I haven't really tried looking. It's still a better artstyle than vanilla though

From best to worst:

Rune Factory

Harvest Moon (not the shit ones Natsume currently makes)

Stardew Valley

>>15885376

It's a shame penny's default face looks so depressed in that last set, everything else looks great.

>>15885372

>(not the shit ones Natsume currently makes)

As opposed to the shit ones Marvelous used to make?

>>15885392

>even the smile looks forced

how

>>15885402

Her dead, lifeless, eyes.

>>15885388

ew she looks like a horse faced tranny.

>>15885388

>>15885392

She's clearly quite sad in these images, but it's a beautiful, painful kind of sad.

you'd think, for how many times this question is brought up, there'd be a few screencap posts or a video analysis by now

maybe a comparison chart?

>>15884550

>Honestly this is the only place on the internet I can find that ranks Stardew bottom consistently

I know where you're coming from, considering the many QoL improvements that Stardew Valley has and some gameplay decisions like "only 2 gifts per week" or the entire fishing minigame that makes it a more mechanically driven game and it's gameplay can easily surpass Harvest Moon for the great part.

But you gotta understand that the core of this genre isn't really in the autistic farming mechanics. Those are just a very, very solid foundation for the actual gameplay.

What matters in these lifesims is your interaction with the world and it's denizens, they are the mid and end game, your farm merely what funds your efforts in that part.

And sadly, Stardew Valley is so focused around the farming, exploring, combat and grinding part of the game that it ends up feeling much worse with the town and it's villagers, which means it will always be worse than the competition. It might have more gameplay but it doesn't have a point to it like HM or RF have.

I'll give you a very simple example from Harvest Moon 64.

You can have chickens and other animals in that game. And there's a (best) girl that likes animal products a lot. Having chickens means that every day you'll have a gift for her.

There's a girl that works in a bakery. Buying her cakes and even offering them is how you woo her and for that you need money that your farm will earn you.

There's a girl that works in a vineyard and one of the best gifts you can give her early are some berries you can find in the mountain while exploring.

Your farm, animals and exploration can all be used to get cash but in the end, their purpose is to net you gifts and opportunities to woo and befriend the villagers since that's the main purpose of the game.

You can spend all the years until your grandpa comes for a visit just autistically planting shit, breeding animals and exploring for other shit without ever talking with anyone, but he'll be quite disappointed with you if you do so, and rightfully so.

Now look at pretty much every Harvest Moon game and you see the same design, where your farm exists to open new possibilities to you, not simply be the end game itself.

Rune Factory even has a main story besides all this, and you take your waifu on adventures because spending time with her is what matters.

Stardew Valley has none of that. You spelunk the caves to advance some plotline and get better materials so you can spelunk deeper and farm better. You farm more and better to get richer and farm even more in the future. It's just not the same thing.

Also, Rune Factory does the combat and exploration a lot better than Stardew Valley, while Harvest Moon does the farming better. Stardew Valley is a jack of all trades and master of none.

It's a good western attempt at the genre, and hopefully the first of many but it's still not as good as the classics.

>>15884735

It's fun but takes a while to get comfy. It doesn't really have a day cycle like the rest of the games in this genre but it still has it''s multiple timers to it that work in different ways, and until you realize the importance of each one, you're not gonna have a good time. Can't say it's the devs fault either, it's just something you have to experience and figure out on your own.

For instance, there are events that happen in specific days much like the festivals\birthdays in RF\HM. However, there's no "day of month", only weekdays and they are cyclical. This means you're not required to obsess and plan everything around those specific days to advance some plotline or do a specific event since you can repeat it in the next week, but you still have to take them into considering and play that whole day ahead.

There's also the fact that most timers with some notable exceptions don't deteriorate at 100%. As in, if your farm is full of fruits and vegetables ready to be plucked, you don't have to do it right away and they won't go bad if you take too long (last I checked anyway), they just aren't doing anything else so it's staling your fields.

You're supposed to figure out that this means you don't have to setup a routine like in HM of tending your crops and animals in the morning and spending the afternoon talking with people. Instead, you setup goals you want to achieve and work towards them. If you need crafting materials, you'll repair the house in the mountain and then spend a few days there mining and refining ores to use when you come back. You might have corpses deteriorating or crops at 100% back home, but you don'y actually have to stop mining and go back to tend those things. Doing so is just a waste of travel time, you'll get to it eventually anyway.

Sole exception of course, is with corpses degrading but even then, this doesn't matter jack shit. They are a decent source of income at first, but eventually you'll want them for Glory only and this requires extensive preparation to make the best out of a single corpse, at which point degradation isn't a problem anymore. I'd rather have the corpses only last a week in the graveyard and then the grave is empty and needs a new one, but it's a single point.

Stamina is a bitch to manage however, and you're gonna be cranking lots of Bread just to manage at first. Lots of sleeping and not a decent schedule to it means a less structured day which disconnects you from the town and it's inhabitants but gives you some more freedom in how you go about your personal goals.

Overall, I'd say it's even somewhat better than Stardew Valley in the sense that it's also a mechanically driven game (not a character driven one) but it's more unique in it's gameplay since it's trying a lot of different aspects instead of being another Harvest Moon.

Harvest Moon > ok > stardew > shit gameplay > Rune Factory

>>15884747

she's ok on the top row, then she goes full shit eating grin on the bottom row. the shitty grin should've stopped with the third picture. after that it's abyssmal. Top row is nevertheless still acceptable for the most part, second to last and the first three are ok , tomboyish or shy but confident. Some pictures are just bad though. the anime-looking one is like a smug "i seriously hope you guys dont do this" face, while many others are just a shitty frozen smirk.

Whoever is the artist is not a smart person unable to captivate a characters personality.

>>15888169

LoM doesn't really have "farm life". It's just another layer of comfy added to your house. However one great thing is the wide variety of uses your produce has for the other functions of your home.

>>15884735

It's awful. Way too slow and grindy. I reinstalled it after the update that added zombie helpers then immediately immediately deleted it because the movement speed is still painfully slow. Very little substance to the game besides tedium. The graphics are nice I guess.

>>15888301

I don't really get how you can praise the combat when it's so horrible fleshed out and tacked on

>>15888301

Combat in stardew valley was mediocre at best and the problem is, is that the game is designed around you spending 1/4 of your time in the goddamn mine. I also don't get the complaint about the lack of customization, I never really saw the point in a single player game.

SoS design problem stems from the change of target audience for the devs. The games have progressively gotten more grindy and easy because the majority of their audience likes that sort of shit. People that liked the actual game play have moved on.

>The whole article was her calling the devs racist. ehl oh ehl.

Apparently the fact there are two whole villages of non whites (one being brown islanders) wasn't enough you gotta have muh representation.

>>15885454

ALL the women in that port set look like horsefaced trannies, the mod author can't draw women for shit.

Rune Factory > Original Harvest Moon/Bokujo Monogatari > Story of Seasons/Modern Bokujo Monogatari > Stardew Valley > Natsume's Harvest Moon

>>15888306

I played the previous Story of Seasons and it's mostly the same. Very, very slow start where you spend a lot of days doing nothing, considering how limited your options are in terms of money, which is made worse because you can't drop off stuff to sell in a box, you have to wait for the traders to visit so you can sell to them.

I've spent a lot of the early game just jumping into the river and gathering minerals or fish to sell because that was the only reliable source of extra income to spend your days after farm chores are done.

It took way too long to unlock fishing, farm animals, extra plots, etc. I get the idea that once the game gets rolling, there's going to be a lot of different content to play with, but getting to that point seems like it will be a chore where I'll be mostly at the mercy of RNG and time gates.

Worst part was when they gave me a cow, the first thing I did was make it pregnant to get another cow. Then came an event about giving milk to the spoiled princess, milk that my cow didn't produce because she was pregnant. Then a competition for farm animals where I couldn't sign up a pregnant cow. The fucking timing of these things as well as the speed at which new game elements are added to the game is clearly aimed at artificially slow down the game or pander to players that want a very slow progression.

>>15888596

It's not "tacked on" when it's there for several iterations of the series. Besides, what other lifesim with combat are you comparing RF4's combat with?

>>15888835

>Natsume's Harvest Moon

>Putting that THING in any scale in any position at all

>Even acknowledging the existence of that THING

Here’s a question. If there is just one game in this genre that is worthy of surviving, what is it? That is to say, it doesn’t have to be emblematic of the genre so much as the best it has to offer.

>>15891327

Sounds to me he's criticizing stardew's combat not RF.

>>15891335

HM64. Btn and Fomt are notable as well but if it's just one I'll go with hm64 just because it's got the best tone, characters and generally just strikes all the right notes in terms of player discovery, pacing. Basically if you cut out the bloat from all the other games to what makes the genre good, you'd probably get something close hm64.

>>15881129

Is the Harvest Moon on the picture the SNES one?

I don't remember the buildings looking like that

>>15885286

That would be fantastic actually

>>15888169

Those look like fruits from Neopets

>>15891335

Rune Factory 4, definitely. It's actually not a very simple choice since Harvest Moon really isn't the same thing at all but I'd have to go with RF4.

The issue with Harvest Moon is that it revolves around setting up a routine to get shit done. It's a strict routine in the first games that takes almost all of your day and doesn't give you much freedom or margin of error, but it's more lax with the later games instead, giving you more time and doing things faster but a lot of the content is still time gated and if you want to progress faster than snail's pace, you're gonna be foraging for sellable crap in the nearby woods for most of the early game.

Rune Factory however gives you far more freedom since it's goal-oriented instead. Your farmstill requires a routine and still has it's time restrictions, but seasonal farm plots change that a bit and monsters helping you too. The gameplay ends up revolving around increasing your skills, finding the materials to craft a specific item and upgrading it afterwards, goals that you can do at your own pace. You also have more options to occupy yourself when you're done with farm chores, with dungeon delving and combat or mining to find materials. It helps that it's not so RNG heavy considering you can pinpoint areas where a certain material will show up.

Harvest Moon is a game that you play at the pace it sets for you while Rune Factory is a game you play at your own pace, with a lot more content to help with that.

So obviously, it'd have to be RF4 since it's the refined "comfy" experience.

>>15885489

>>Tumblr you fucking serial killer

>>15894127

I don't think you can properly compare the games with a chart like this. For example RF technically has more extensive farming mechanics, but it's much less fun than it is in Stardew Valley because in Stardew you can build an actually interesting farm freely in the available space, add sprinklers and scarecrows and trees and other decorations, and get produce in other ways like treetaps and beehives and place them around your farm. In RF you get effectively identical square grids where you can plant things onto and that's it, the complexity is in the fact that there's soil quality which can degrade and you can place fertilizers and such onto the plots and seed quality/tier can improve. Essentially, in Stardew you're building the overall farm features in a sandbox-like way, and in RF you're fiddling with numbers within the farm squares that you were given and you're limited by how many plant spots you have available.

>>15881129

It's really more about what you want from the games rather than which are better. RF for waifus and deeper RPG mechanics, Starjew for farm customization and ability to use mods. It's been close to a decade since I've played a HM title so I can't really say anything about that.

For farming autism in general though Minecraft scratches the itch pretty well once you've gotten some agricultural mods in on top of the 150 others you'll hardly touch.

>>15895135

Soil quality and "level" of sickle used. What I do, early game, is cover the seasonal farms in the forest in fodder in order to slowly level those with harvests and a bunch of free runies. Later on you can use apple trees which harvest more per day once actually grown, which really speeds up how fast the fields will level, you do miss out on the runies though. After those fields are decently leveled I use them to all my crops to 10.

Are those character quests/events in RF4 completely random or is there a way to trigger them deliberately?

>>15895225

>hoe

The sickle, lad, the hoe just like actual hoes doesn't matter at all.

>So if I plant a crop that regrows every other day (like fodder, as you said), that's the fastest way to improve the soil?

Yeah, well the fastest cheap way. The way soil leveling works is soil stats get a little bump every time something is harvested in one of a large square's four little squares. That's per harvest, so crops that make multiple items per "harvest" level the same amount as a single harvest crop. Trees are different because you harvest them multiple times a day, so you get multiple bumps in a soil's stats several times per day, rather than once every few days or so with fodder.

If you're autistic like me you can also slowly throw the fodder into crate/bin daily to level your useless throwing skill.

If you've got loads of emone you can just bypass this bullshit in favor of making your fields more chemical than dirt.

>Tea Story

Might be comfy. My usual go to is Argicraft, Pam's, Forestry/Bees along with another mod that spawns cows that give every liquid in your game.

>>15895272

I see, thanks for the explanation. What's the compost bin for, then? I remember being told that growing crops degrades the soil's quality and the compost bin serves to counteract that (and that you should leave fields fallow for some time so they can recover). Is it that growing crops lowers the quality and harvesting them raises it again, or did the game simply lie to me?

>hoe/sickle

Oops, that was a typo on my part.

>>15888184

And good luck ever managing to grow a Toadstoolshed.

>>15895300

I'm not exactly sure to be honest. I think it gives all your fields a bump in health a day. Soil has several stats, health being one of them. When you harvest all of them can be bumped a bit, but health will take a hit, conversely when you leave the fields to fallow health will slowly raise while everything else will slowly sink. I've never seen much difference between good and poor soil health, so I pretty much ignore it aside from the compost bin and sprinkling health regening chemicals every now and again.

Do take note that the game tells you to chuck your withered grass into the bin, that's a bad idea as there're several chemist recipes that call for it. Instead feed it your green weeds and medicinal herbs once you've got a few stacks stashed.

>>15881541

You are my nigger, except ann>karen>everyone else>popuri she is shit tier waifu

Bonus points for karen also because you cuck rick

>>15895308

>14 years old

>Want slick black murder robot

>Have to settle for Mush-in-the-Box since Toadstool Sheds basically don't exist

>>15895544

It's been a while, but if I remember correctly in the N64 version Karen would normally hook up with Kai. Even as a kid I didn't want her marrying a nigger. She was also probably my first waifu.

>>15895557

Aye she ends up with Rick in BtN which is my personal prefered timeline/canon/multiverse/video game.

>not wanting her to marry a nigger

kek. I loved the old games and still do, so wholesome and void of any pozz. Take Greg in BtN. Good old Greg was just an introverted old dude who loved to fish. Kept to himself, whittling away the days of his happy contented life at his own pace, doing the thing that he found most meaningful. Never pretentious, never moralising or prying, and always with a smile and a kind word if you stopped by to say hi or do a spot of fishing yourself. Oh man, what a game.

>>15881358

>The game even allows you to do unspeakable things like turning your children into birds

What the fuck

I was considering trying out RF but I hate RPGs so I guess I'll just keep playing HM

>>15895785

Yes, same reason people hate games like Subnautica. Fantastic game and all it's strengths completely dismissed because muh sjw boogieman posted something in twitter or there's one piece of jew shit in some distant corner of the game, now only the lacking parts and problems of the game exist.

>>15895796

To be honest subnautica devs fired their qt sound designer because she didnt share their politics and were deservedly cunts about the game design at the expense of better mechanics becuse muh feelings.

>>15895838

Because she gives you free shit when you first move in. She's a good person, just miserable being stuck in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. She also has the best hair.

>>15895230

It's purely rng dependent but you can savescum by keeping a save before the day where an event triggers. If you start a fresh event on the next day then your save on the previous day can be used to load, sleep & no matter what you will get an event on that next day. Normally after one event ends it'll take a few days for a new one to begin and one way to tell if a specific event you want has triggered is to keep characters tied to that event in your party. While savescumming once you wake up and the villagers in your party tell you that they have to go then an event related to the villager has triggered.

For example triggering the arc 3 event a player will take amber & dylas into their party if they know an event will trigger the day after and savescum until they have a new day where they ask to leave. Besides that one specific event there's no real need to do this however

>>15895785

At least mods can fix the visual side of things for stardew. Seeing how HM & RF are both kinda dead the game is still worth giving a shot but having those ugly portraits in a game where likable villagers are supposed to be a major selling point will cause many people to lose interest. Can't have buyers remorse if you're pirating though.

>>15895838

Karen's really cute when she's drunk and also vulnerable therefore precious.

>>15896188

That's a really compelling argument

>>15895785

It's not even solid. The game is easy to be broken and you can automate your farm to the point big patches of crop water themselves.

>>15895796

>Subnautica

>A game about the terrors of the depth

>With barely any aggressive monsters

>In fact there's only 1 aggressive monster

>The most threatening looking monster and the biggest of them all isn't even aggresive

>In fact, the story revolves around fucking impregnating that monster

>The monster is also sentient and a good guy

>The actual aggressive monster is a giant worm thing

>All that lost potential

>All the shit things dev did

<B-but it's just muh bogeyman!

Kill yourself, retard.

>>15895838

This anon is a man of culture.

>>15895851

>Wanting free stuff instead of working for it

Commies get out.

>>15896284

>not helping the new guy get his bearings

Shitty neighbor.

>>15896297

If she wanted to help so much she'd help around the farm like Ann.

>>15895785

A lot of the posters here seem to be confusing the genre with RPGs, thus the RF fanaticism, which is basically farming tacked onto a poor RPG.

>>15896825

Social/farming/management RPG actually is a solid description of the Harvest Moon series. The games are all about character progression in the form of farming and character relations. You get bad games when you try to reduce the games to "farming sims", conflating them with aimless crap like Farm Simulator that are hardly games at all.

>>15897084

>P-please tell me the plot slows down again after I re-visit the Water Ruins

It doesn't. It only ever get even more urgent after that, and even a lot more after that one. Just rush the whole story, is not hard, then take it easy.

Where does slime rancher rank?

>>15897103

Damn it. Guess I'll grind my smithing and crafting skills now rather than later so I won't need to anticlimactically interrupt the HAPPENINGs to come.

>>15897211

In all honestly, I couldn't myself, so I was dating Forte as shit felt apart around me but Forte went with me to all those places and she always supported me, which is why she is the best girl

>>15897252

Would you the loli witch?

>>15881129

harvest moon > rune factory > shit > lgbtqp+ valley

>>15897252

>This of course is only for Marvelous's Harvest Moon, not what Natsume made after they ditched their incompetent asses.

see

>>15881271

And stop pretending you ever gave a shit about the Harvest Moon series, you pretentious snob.

>>15897252

Witch > Goddess, prove me wrong.

Are any of the other rune factory games worth playing? Or I should I just go straight to 4?

>>15899251

My only problem with Forte is that the male MC is a faggy ass shota manlet and doesn't suit Forte at all, the man should be manlier than his woman.

>>15898817

3 has the best waifus

>>15897084

>giant chicken several times my level kills everything in one hit for me

I don't think that was how I'm supposed to play the game

>>15898817

3 is definitely more comfy and it's a pretty great game too. It also has better waifus than 4, which aren't bad at all, 3's just are that good.

Keep in mind that 4 is still an improvement in many things over 3, so I'd say to play 3 first and then go to 4, especially since 3 is also shorter from what I'm told.

>>15884723

You can use mods to marry the kids just so you know anon

>>15884747

>goes from good to great to ok to fucking awful

Should've stuck with the last one on the first row.

>>15899427

This. 3 has one of the best selections of waifus in all of gaming. There's not a single bad one.

Karina is best girl.

>>15900598

I like birds better

>>15884201

Release order, asshole. When you run out of shit to do and despair over never getting RF5 then you will regret not playing the first ones.

>>15891327

>Even acknowledging the existence of that THING

Skytree Village wasn't that bad.

>>15900680

That loses the cute town elements though. Essentially it's just Farming Simulator 20000.

>>15900680

Yeah but what's the point? And also, how are you harvesting and reseeding all of that? By hand?

>>15900853

Apparently that's what people want, as evidenced by: >>15900838

>>15900853

There is a mod that basically does a lot of that for stardew. That being said it's not really why people play these sorts of games.

>>15900838

Mods. Miriad of farming automation machines, harvest and replant the seeds afterwards. The options are insane. If you like farming I can't recommend a better game. Farm in a cave, underwater, on the moon, in a different dimension, mountain farm like machu pichu, build mountains out of farms and so on. The options are endless when you get into modding.

>>15885047

Abigail just straight up looks like a dude in your second pic. Where are the milkers? I thought this is was supposed to be a farming game. How can you farm milk if the women don't have the necessary hardware?

>>15900840

That's where Notch first failed hard. His NPC's villages were a joke. All that MC money and they couldn't hire an AI Abominable Intelligence coder. I had hopes for Dorf Ortress levels of sim fun. But Notch sold his soul. I don't like him but he is working on a prototype for MC2, so we will see if he learned any lessons.

>>15900908

Notch first failed when he shat the game up in Infdev. If it wasn't for his retarded YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE AND SEE ANYTHING idea, then he could have focued more on the biomes and gameplay. Imagine if Terraria went on forever, it would be horrible. I sure do love walking for 3 hours past the same uninspired copy-pasted biomes that have been sanitized so that nothing cool gets generated.

>>15885388

Nice man jaw.

>>15900908

>Dorf Ortress

That's something that hadn't crossed my mind. Farming underground caps was good fun.

>literally farmville

>>15900929

Hmmm. I'm half with you there. Another 'mods saved the game' situation. I used to wander around aimlessly exploring the biome mods. So many different trees that seemed to kiss the sky. Moutains on top of mountains. Colorful and cozy magical forests. Lavalands and volcanic rock. Leaving a basic game barren kind of fuels a modders imagination to create something. A blank canvas of sorts.

>>15900933

Learning how to make mushroom trees in a dark cave room. Normal trees in the cave room next door full of torches. Good memories.

s*w v****y is indie shit, why would you even mention it

>>15903943

It's the only other game in the genre

>>15904192

You're on a time limit for your waifu, pick one, find out what they like, and start giving them a gift every day. Everyone else in the town can wait.

>>15904338

that's most of /v/ though.

>>15883110

Cool blog post. Consider killing yourself.

>>15906621

I'm pretty sure most of /v/ is in their mid 20s to 30s, we're not all underage newfags like you two

Ass, Ass and Ass

>>15909174

You say that, but most of you act like children.

>>15912484

Can you list them?

I started playing FotMT. Any tips?

im making a battle royale version

halp

>>15923823

pic 1 here and

>>15923829

pic 2 here don't understand palette selection in terms of making the game readable. The colors are muddy and make it hard to tell what's going on. Number 3 looks fucking scizophrenic and awful in terms of actual gameplay. I imagine the rest of these will miss the point of these games and basically just copy stardew valley.

>>15881153

this

Rune Factory > Harvest Moon >>>> Stardew Valley

God I hate Stardew Valley. Shit farming, no exploration (useless areas like train tracks do not count,) an annoying fetch quest is the only bit of story this game has, barely any dialogue with the citizens who have no personality outside of their 3 events, worse than nothing combat and nothing to do once you figure out villagers have nothing interesting to say. Stardew is only people's favorite because they believe in hype or it's the only farming game they played.

Harvest Moon had some good games but they put out way too many meh games so it's a crapshoot. Rune Factory had a consistent increase in quality before it died.

>>15896825

Farming in Stardew is objectively less in depth than RF4. No crop cycling just put down a scarecrow and plant + water. RF just so happens to have more things to do on top of killing Stardew in everything from gameplay, farming, story, characters and art. I got a perfect farm before the first grandpa check, I've played both the games and Stardew sucks.

>enjoying pedo enabling weebcuck cuckime games

>>15960504

Is no thread free of upside down shitposting?

>>15960490

I'd say Shara best girl, but I was honestly torn between her, or Karin, or the Rainbow girl, or the opposite girl, or the loli, or Shara's sister

I haven't been so torn for picking a girl since KS

>>15881424

>there aren’t niggers in Asia

lol

>>15963629

The population of niggers in asia is considerably less than in the rest of the world.

>Harvest Moon: Light of Hope Special Edition - Official Trailer | PS4

>Published on May 7, 2018

almost want to try it to see how shit it is

>>15982884

That looks so bad, holy shit… Low energy cashgrab.

Stardew is by far the most broken.

Did you know that if you made your name the same as the id of an item, it would spawn that item in your inventory every time you spoke to an NPC?

>>15982884

>Somehow looks the same as their low effort 3ds games.

>Looks worse than mobileshit.

It's amazing they're still pumping this trash out.

>>15935708

What you posted is a problem regardless of difficulty. Aside from a few parts early on in the story, she's going to be out of it pretty much the entire time. It's some genuinely poor design, because the story would be much better if there wasn't such a huge disconnect between it and the gameplay and what the player experiences. Maybe somehow delay her "death" until after the timeskip that occurs when you have a kid, as they would then have known each other for at least about ten years, but that would require some restructuring in the story.

>>15893010

That game is great

>>15994162

>>16004245

What? What's wrong with this?

>>15982884

>>16004284

Oh… nevermind.

What I really want to see is some anon release a mod for Starjew Valley that replaces Tyrone and his Niglet with whites. Then post it on nexus mods.

That would be real fun.

In fact I kinda want to do it myself as I used to do pixel art at some point.

>>16018309

Sad that I wasn't able to witness it.

Then I have a different idea, a mod that edits every character to be more country-like.

If there was a Starjew Thread to post updates in, it would be helpful.

Personally, I hate most characters in Starjew, they really have been touched by the tumblr spirit.

What ALSO is shit, is that despite there being hints at some relationships like Emily and Clint, they never happen, giving you all the time in the world to choose and switch around shit tier waifus.

>>16004681

>a nigger

>land healer

u huh, what's next? chinese reforesting techniques? poo in loo river revival?

>>16018324

Blame the fucking casuals that get pandered to for harvest moon / sos. People kept complaining about getting cucked by the rivals so they haven't had it in any of those games for years as I expect it's the same reason it's not in stardew. Bear in mind it's piss easy to get married in all of these games in the first year and you needed to be in like year 2+ to even have a chance to be cucked.

>>15994099

It's not even a real Harvest Moon game, right?

>>15881129

They are all inferior to Graveyard Keeper

>>16030647

>Same fags that did Punch Club

>Good

I doubt it.

>>16031137

To be fair I only got the game because I had no idea it was made by the same company

>>16031793

>Buying games

I hope you learned your lesson.

>>16030520

They're cheap cash grabs by natsume who sitll own the name copyright "harvest moon" DO NOT BUY THEM.

>>16031868

> pretending that it's bad to pay for a game you like

Your probably salty that you missed the opportunity to be in the first crowdfund for Star Citizen

>>16031903

>Liking shit

There's literally no reason to invest in this shitty industry. You're the reason it haven't crashed and burn yet. Kill yourself, paypig.

>>16031910

Paying a bunch of vodka-drinking slavs in no way prevents western lgbtqp-studios from crashing

>>15885047

Is this an all-male portrait pack?

>>16035080

When can I preorder?