2f30d2 No.15863532
is the first game worth playing? I know the sequel is pretty hated with reason seeing as it’s impossible to even complete the pc port and I’ve heard the first game is a lot of wasted potential, especially when compared to the concept art and what it was supposed to be, but I figure some games have been made better in retrospect when compared to how shit vidya is now.
cffe5d No.15863538
I dunno, I got it on Christmas the year it came out, played it for about an hour, and never touched it again. Always felt kind of bad about it…
>impossible to even complete the pc port
First I've heard of that, how so?
2f30d2 No.15863543
>>15863538
You know what’s weird, I’ve got the exact same experience. I thought I had sold it but found it among some of my older games today.
Also, if I’m not mistaken they never implemented local co-op on the pc version and needless to say the servers for the online are shut down now, so there are several areas you cannot access.
f84af0 No.15863549
>furshit
Just fap and be done with it
fucking degenerate
e92f12 No.15863635
>>15863532
Absolutely not worth even pirating.
The original vision for the game is completely bastardized, there's barely any grim element in the game and most of the morality options are safe for work kind of shit. It's so sad because the concept of altering the world around you and its difficulty in relation to what you do was really cool.
Camera controls suck, the painting mechanics are iffy at best, platforming is a chore most of the time and the only good character designs are the different iterations of Pete and the animatronic versions of Mickey's pals.
9d0da5 No.15863661
>>15863549
>Mickey
>Furshit
Are you retarded?
b3122e No.15863671
>>15863549
>just fap and be done with it
If you insist.
3f898e No.15864584
>>15863635
I’m still sad they removed evil Mickey.
8ed839 No.15864598
I'm just amused at how the game dialed back from the edgelord furryshit shown in the concept art, only for FNAF to come along a few years later and show how big a gravy train they missed out on.
1918c7 No.15864686
>>15863532
I remember being hyped for the game back when the concept art was a thing. I remember talking a lot about it in old obscure game forums that are dead by now.
When the game came out and it didn't look anything like the concept, I just kind of deleted it from my memory.
>>15864598
They had nothing to lose. And that's more likely the problem. More specifically, money isn't a problem, the only thing they can lose is their image, that'as why they play it safe. It's the old "Mario is a familiar IP" bullshit, so they don't risk to go out of the norm, even as a spin off.
93a530 No.15864711
>>15863532
It's somewhat enjoyable but know how badly disney neutered it as these images here aren't even in the final product.
It still has some more obscure moments but it's a testimate of how someone tried to bring some good glory o mickey but (((modern disney))) fucks it in the ass.
1918c7 No.15864743
>>15864711
This makes me wonder, how you'd balance a "good/bad" morality well enough to go with Disney standards? Either (((modern))) ones or the old disney ones like the likes of pink elephants on parade?
The thing is, I've always thought that playing bad should make things easier but should let you with that shitty feeling of you doing something you know it's wrong, and doing something good obviously would make things harder or longer for you. But since this is Disney they can't go around rewarding evil, since that would probably encourage people to do evil shit in-game.
Also, what would Walt Disney do?
e92f12 No.15864849
>>15864598
>>15864686
For a comparison, this is what Goofy looks like in the final game. Basically they turned FNAF before FNAF but good into a generic licensed game.
3f898e No.15866573
>>15864849
I think that’s a fair trade considering some of the concept art genuinely looks straight out of a horror game. Especially the Dumbo bot.
d2ecb8 No.15866587
ca2cd3 No.15866597
>>15864598
I remember reading somewhere that the concept art was intentionally made as horrifying as possible to see just how much Disney would let them get away with (apparently not much at all.)
93a530 No.15866702
>>15864743
Disney himself made Mickey a total asshat mischief maker. Look at the shorts he's in; everything is him doing something he's not supposed to. it continued well into the colored years and only changed when control of disney corporation fell out of his hands when he died.
On that note, I agree that being evil should make the game pretty easy, while being good is harder. Epic mickey does follow this somewhat as many of the bonuses are only through doing the good things, but they are much harder and time consuming to do, such as purifying things with paint and turning them good as opposed to just killing em outright with thinner. This goes for side quests too as you can get the bad ending really easy but the good ending takes much longer. An example is this treasure chest. You really want it but there is a dude standing under it who refuses to move unless you get him his special item. You can thin out the hook the chest is hanging on and drop it on his head instantly and get the item in the chest, or you can wait to get his item, which makes him happy, gets you a bonus item, and lets him move so when you drop the chest, no one gets hurt. Same goes for several of the bosses where it's easy to beat them if you just thin everything and kill them, but if you paint the right things, you get help from other characters for a proper ending of the sequence. Such as the robo captain hook. You can just thin him and kill him, or you can do a couple side quests and when you fight him, you get help from "Pete Pan" who re-enacts a scene from peter pan to beat the boss and everyone ends up happy.
>>15866597
I saw it from inception and honestly, the idea was that Mickey died (the original mickey who was a mischief maker and not the one slapped on all the kid friendly toddler toys or was seen as a responsible leader) and was stuck suffering in his personal hell, meeting other "dead" characters who were just as souless. That was changed to a paradise for the forgotten made by Yen Sid, the Wizard, and the king of this world was Oswald, who was something Disney created but WB wouldn't let him take with him when he quit, so he made Mickey, and so Oswald was going to be the main villain, or at least main opposing force vs Mickey. Again, that changed into the ink Mickey spilled and Oswald being more of just rightfully angry at mickey over his troublesome antics.
The fact that trash mountain, a mountain of the overproduced mickey junk was allowed in the final game is staggering.
c1194f No.15866781
>>15864743
>The thing is, I've always thought that playing bad should make things easier but should let you with that shitty feeling of you doing something you know it's wrong, and doing something good obviously would make things harder or longer for you. But since this is Disney they can't go around rewarding evil, since that would probably encourage people to do evil shit in-game.
The problem with morality in games stems a few problems. First of all, more often than not, the "morality" system is just a gimmick and nothing more. This happened with BioShock during it's development, and even Levine admits that it makes the game all the weaker for it. Second, "moral choice" is limited to the player and the character. Unless you want to play "for fun" or on a second playthrough, all the moral choices players make either align with themselves or the character they are playing as. Third, there's not enough payoff when it comes to making a decision. Yeah, you're going to have the consequence of "something" eventually happening, but how are you honestly going to know if it was actually you're choice that made the event happen or it was a part of the game's script. And, to add the cherry on top, there is also the possibility of the choice not even making that much of a difference anyway. Numerous games make the "moral choice" argument, but all it really comes down to is which abilities/features/companions/resources do you want to limit yourself to, which makes the entire "moral choice" nothing more than a decision of which choice will better benefit the player. And, then the game gives you the stink-eye with the ending going on abut how terrible of a person you are for wanting a game to be fun. Fourth, the politically correct nature of the choices presented. One of the reasons people love the original Star Trek series is that Bones and Spock gave Kirk two options on how he could handle a situation (The "Star Fleet" option and the "Moral" option), and, if both options were shit, Kirk made no hesitation to declare it as such and find another way. However, with Next Gen, every problem had exactly one solution (The "Star Fleet" way, because Picard is a stuckinthemud), and the entire episode was about it was carried it out. Games are never going to do that, or cop out like Next Gen, because it means that they have to test the boundaries of one's thinking. On the most basic level, do you really want to compromise on your morals to uphold what is legal, or agree that the government and law is in the wrong and that this sets an immoral precedent that could have terrible repercussions in the long run? On the deeper level, is it better to push a lie as long as you capture the villain, or uphold the truth and let the villain escape? This becomes an even more sticky situation when games are increasing used to push propaganda rather than to tell a story, and you end up with getting a fifth problem: the illusion of choice. Where nothing the player does that actually effects the game's outcome, and, almost always, the player character turns out to be the real villain of the game and the player is a terrible person for daring to complete the game all the way to the end.
Congratulations, the entire development team thinks you're an asshole!
2f30d2 No.15866803
>>15866702
>Oswald was going to be the main villain, or at least main opposing force
I think that was the element I was most sad to see go. Oswald was supposed to have created that world out of jealousy for Mickey meaning everything was meant to reflect that, then Mickey finding his way into that world was supposed to piss Oswald off causing him to lash out. It was a great dynamic completely lost.
56d79e No.15866902
With how controlling Disney is with his properties it is a fucking wonder that the European comics are still allowed to exist, one would thing that they would shut it down once the directives saw that the Italians actually made Mickey a character
274ccb No.15867020
>>15863532
Holy shit, an Epic Mickey thread on /v/? I worked on both of them. Ask me anything.
>mf after crunching for six months to ship EM2
05831d No.15867022
>>15867020
what part of the development process were you on to narrow down potential questions
274ccb No.15867031
>>15867022
I worked in the art department on level art. sometimes character art. Studio wasn't too big, so a lot of us pulled double duty.
3aa790 No.15867037
>>15867031
how much to buy drawings from you
c1194f No.15867052
I hate that all I can think of are depressing questions.
>How much free reign did Disney give you guys?
>Is Warren Spector a hack?
>Why was Disney so determined to kill off their games division back in 2013?
>>15867031
>I worked in the art department on level art. sometimes character art.
Got any unseen pics?
4aba04 No.15867056
>>15867020
You doing okay now? Still video game work or something else? No need to be specific just wondering.
Me and the wife liked both games though I don’t remember how far we got in 2, more due to her not being very into games than anything else. The fact that she was interested in both is impressive.
2f30d2 No.15867071
>>15867020
What was the original story supposed to be and how was it supposed to end?
274ccb No.15867087
>>15867037
Don't do commissions, sorry. And I only kept a few of the backgrounds and stuff from the job.
>>15867052
>free reign from Disney
not much, anon. Mickey himself was worth $1b back in 2012, and the other 'Fab 5' like Minnie, Donald, Daisy, and Goofy were tightly controlled. anything you did had to get approved by a special board at Disney HQ. one of the dumbest things I remember is how Mickey was never allowed to have an 'angry face'
>Warren Spector a hack
He was past his prime. guy's really nice and remembers fucking everything, but he's too trusting and got manipulated by a bunch of ex-EA managers we hired.
>why did DIsney hate games?
the head of Disney Interactive, guy named John Pleasants or something, was a ruthless cunt businessman. console games cost tons of money and the returns were bad, so he wanted to kill the division for years and just do mobile stuff.
>unseen pics
Nah. That stuff stays on your machine at work at Disney corporate IT would push your shit in if they caught you taking stuff out. shame. lot of the concept art was really cool. all of the concept artists we had were Disney-grade artists, and their work was insane
>>15867056
i'm still making vidya, but I want to get the hell out of cali before i end up living in my car
>>15867071
no idea, really. premise was that Oswald was Mickey's brother and got fucked over and fell into obscurity while Mickey got fame and glory, so Oswald lives in this alternative universe where all of the forgotten Disney characters go. i don't even remember what the plot of the second game was other than the Mad Doctor from some original Mickey cartoon was trying to take over. or something.
694bb6 No.15867102
>>15867087
That's fucking sad.
Was it really gonna look like:
>>15864598
>>15864686
Or was that just a a test to see how far you guys could get away with
05831d No.15867106
>>15867087
>one of the dumbest things I remember is how Mickey was never allowed to have an 'angry face'
disney rules are pretty ridiculous
274ccb No.15867126
>>15867102
even getting away with the 'broken animatronics' thing was a goddamn miracle, anon. stuff like Mickey and the characters has to get approved by one group, and anything relating to the rides or the park has to be approved by Imagineering. rumor goes that the original art directors lied a bit and intentionally overdid it with that concept art and promised to 'dial it back' in the final game and got approval. then, when we made it and it wasn't that far from the concept art, a shitstorm ensued at Disney HQ but we were too far in the dev process and couldn't change it. wasn't that high up to be part of the talks though, so take it with a grain of salt. that Runaway Brain short with Mickey caused a similar shitstorm if you remember that
>>15867106
it's the brand, anon. Mickey himself was worth over one billion dollars. Disney doesn't want to jeopardize that, and I get it. remember how in the first Kingdom Hearts, Mickey was only in like two scenes? same reason, kinda. Disney didn't trust Square, so they made them operate under crazy limits with Mickey.
19f62a No.15867133
>>15867126
I still wonder how Disney feels having their mouse eclipsed by a plumber.
d254cc No.15867137
>>15867126
>runaway brain short
Never heard of that one, whats the deal.
dfdebf No.15867145
>>15867121
Aaron Lawson, stop being a nigger
05831d No.15867153
>>15867126
> and I get it
I get it as well but I also feel that its far too restrictive with rules like "no angry mickey"
274ccb No.15867154
>>15867133
mario's not worth nearly as much as mickey
>>15867137
it was this short >>15867150 that had Disney execs getting in rumored shouting matches for having a crazy, angry mickey with sharp teeth going apeshit loved it, though
0c6000 No.15867155
>>15867031
>>15867020
>>15867087
What was working with Warren (((Spector))) like?
19f62a No.15867156
>>15867154
>mario's not worth nearly as much as mickey
Debatable, but he's definitely more popular.
274ccb No.15867167
>>15867155
nice guy i've ever met. like a giant kid sorta, with how energetic and happy he was most of the time. but really naive. turned into a sjw, which was sad. studio really, really kissed his ass for some reason.
>>15867156
no way, anon. Mickey's internationally popular in a way most people don't realize. mario's recognizable sure, but not anywhere near close to the mouse
fabf2e No.15867174
>>15867156
Shut the fuck up soyboy. Just because you have Nintendos cock lodged in your throat 24/7 doesn't make your statement true.
0c6000 No.15867180
>>15867167
>but really naive. turned into a sjw,
Coming from Boston and living in Austin, TX will do that.
>>15867156
Nigger, you're blowing Mary-o's popularity way out of proportion. Mickey Mouse has been a goddamn institution for nearly a century, Mario is still viewed by normalfags as the fat dago wop plumper in electronic toys.
05831d No.15867182
>>15867167
>turned into a sjw, which was sad.
The older types tend to fall for that a lot, I don't get angry about it you can just kinda tell its easy for them to fall for the empathy thing, it's easy when you're a bit more detached and innocent from working class society
c1194f No.15867184
>>15867167
>Mickey's internationally popular in a way most people don't realize. mario's recognizable sure, but not anywhere near close to the mouse
Wait, would that mean that if Disney isn't able to pull another copyright extension, the company is basically screwed?
274ccb No.15867191
>>15867184
screwed? nah. but there's a reason they spend so much lobbying money on keeping the copyright laws a certain way.
05831d No.15867195
>>15867184
> the company is basically screwed?
wouldn't bank on that, they got a lot of money from all the various companies they assimilated but they certainly don't want anyone to ever snatch up those characters
91e362 No.15867210
>>15867184
Even if Disney lost the copyright, all they would have to do is make all their Mickey stuff say "Disney's Mickey Mouse" or "the REAL Mickey Mouse" or whatever, people would still watch Disney movies. Their real loss would be in all the cheap Chinese merchandizing that would show up, that's all they really care about.
1fe74f No.15867216
>>15867184
They've found a way around it. Mickey Mouse is considered synonymous with Disney, so anyone who would damage the icon would by extension damage Disney and become a legal punching bag.
91e362 No.15867227
>>15867216
Trademark bullshit is the new fad among these fuckers, Marvel is doing it too- they're claiming Spiderman's entire design is a trademark and represents their company, so anyone else using it would be confusing and should be stopped. It's ridiculous but the entire field of patent/copyright/trademark law is ridiculous now.
613d08 No.15867257
>>15867020
Do you have any proof?
274ccb No.15867271
>>15867257
that screenshot posted earlier was a marketing frame we had, so maybe that? i don't have a badge or anything.
d14c92 No.15867277
>>15867271
He's asking if you can whip out your dick.
56d79e No.15867289
Where would you say that things started going wrong in the development of the games?
274ccb No.15867296
>>15867289
you mean about epic mickey? Or about gamedev in general?
56d79e No.15867308
>>15867296
Mickey, but if you want to talk about gamedev in general is fine too
c1194f No.15867318
>>15867296
Can you explain why it seems like most games don't look better than they did a decade ago (Both artistically and literally)?
0c9279 No.15867332
>>15863543
>>15863538
Me too actually lol, I got it, played up to the first required sidequests and quit. It was my birthday gift too so I felt really bad about it.
274ccb No.15867339
>>15867308
the first game was just too ambitious, and the second game was rushed like you have no idea and had no chance of succeeding. basically what happened.
>>15867318
if your thinking of stuff like that bioshock infinite gif vs the one from FEAR, it's a complex answer. a lot of games these days try for photo realism, but that's really hard and expensive to do. this has meant that the cost of making games has gone up, but the profit margins get thinner for big budget stuff, so we end up crunching or compromising on a bunch of stuff. or you work for bethesda and they fuck you and make you release something early.
7784df No.15867348
>>15867131
As a professional programmer, this amazes me. How did he fuck up so hard that the program took the error message from the previous attempt to post and then posted that error message as another post? That means that he caught the exception somewhere and in the exception handler fucking coerced it into a string and then posted that string.
I don't even understand how you'd fuck this up by accident. I would love to see this code to diagnose why it fucked up so stupidly.
49b6ea No.15867353
>>15864686
>I remember being hyped for the game back when the concept art was a thing. I remember talking a lot about it in old obscure game forums that are dead by now.
I remember talking about it on /v/ and insisting there's no way Disney would let an actual grimdark thing involving Mickey exist and it was going to get toned down like fuck.
I fucking called it you faggots
c1194f No.15867357
>>15867339
>this has meant that the cost of making games has gone up, but the profit margins get thinner for big budget stuff, so we end up crunching or compromising on a bunch of stuff.
Wait, so they aren't increased the budgets of AAA games? They just keep skimming as much off the top as they can?
Wait, then where's all the money going?
dfdebf No.15867365
>>15867357
IT'S THE JEWS STUPID
86a017 No.15867368
>>15863532
The game is rather epic.
274ccb No.15867373
>>15867357
the budgets go up, but profits are still low. games have been $60 for almost a decade now, but dev costs keep rising. why do you think dlc and mtx are all over the place? its to make up the difference
0df8f3 No.15867374
>>15863538
>>15863543
>>15867332
I was given it as a gift a few years after it came out and still haven't touched it.
I'll get through the backlog one day.
5a7e38 No.15867379
>>15867357
>the cost of making games has gone up, but the profit margins get thinner
Profit margins means how much they make vs how much they spend. They are putting more money in, and getting less out.
Probably the whole issue is backwards priorities.
f7ed46 No.15867394
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15867368
ok now this is juicy epic, mickey.
c1194f No.15867400
>>15867379
>>15867373
Okay, now I get what you're saying.
>why do you think dlc and mtx are all over the place? its to make up the difference
I figured it was that and because of how successful EA was with throwing microtransactions into their games that already are were successful (FIFA and Madden are starting to tank). Although, there's something that I've always wondering that comes across as common sense but it doesn't seem like anyone in the West is able to pursue it:
Wouldn't it be more inexpensive, easier to developer, and see a greater return to make a good, solid, functional game than the current model where companies are creating these "overambitious", generic, buggy messes with blatant systems designed to strip the customer's wallet bare?
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>>15863549
>not liking noodle girls
What a gay.
9fe1e6 No.15867418
>>15867400
There are multiple problems happening to them. One is they've fallen into the trap of wanting stable, less risky projects. Ironically, that's the riskiest thing they can do when shit is on a downward trend. Spending little on a game is small risk, potentially big reward, while spending much is the opposite. They have an industry mindset that is mirrored in Hollywood, which is suffering a similar fate. Second of all, they're more interested in revenue than expanding the people playing. They prefer to have a few whales over making a game that more people would spend a lower amount to buy. Thirdly, they're also pushing politics to get government subsidies. Ever wonder why Ninja Theory has survived despite every game they made doing poorly? The U.K. just hands them money to promote British culture, and similar stuff happens in Canada.
tl;dr they know this is a problem, but choose ways to keep their bad habits going rather than do the right thing.
7784df No.15867420
>>15867400
Yes, it absolutely would be, but that's not what gets shareholders excited.
The majority of games that make massive amounts of money and are remembered forever are very ambitious games that were epic as fuck, so shareholders see those and demand that their companies make those.
Unfortunately, it turns out that those kinds of games are really difficult to make, and take a dedicated and talented team with lots of freedom and creativity, so when these big companies take a stab at it with overworked underpaid employees, it turns into shit.
Shareholders are idiots. They don't want to make small, reliable profit, they want to make it rich, so they bet on an ambitious gamble without actually researching what made those gambles pay off in the past. If you take shareholders out of the equation and look at private companies and small independents, they make games they can manage built to do what it does well and to be worth the price, because they don't have a board of directors screaming at them that they need to make a blockbuster game that amazes the world and makes 10 times the budget in profit.
ba7456 No.15867421
>>15867404
I never knew I could feel this way about cartoons from almost a century ago.
274ccb No.15867422
>>15867400
EA went to the service model because their ceo realized it was the best way to keep cash coming in, although the games would go down in quality. but EA doesn't care about that
>make a good, solid functional game
why do you think Fortnite is so popular?
7784df No.15867431
>>15867418
I don't think they've gone for stable, less risky projects, it's more that they're going for massive gimmicks and trying to be hailed as the best thing in the world, while inflating the marketing budget and trying to make their overworked programmers make magic without getting paid overtime.
They think that they can make a great game while dumping all of the money into marketing and abusing their programmers.
4af54e No.15867709
>>15867472
I think he was talking about mickeys big fat black mouse cock.
Anon is gay.
b70c34 No.15867759
First game was pretty solid, a decent platformer, I'd give it maybe 8/10. The inability to backtrack triggered my autism at the time though.
672073 No.15867763
Remember not to forgive disney for the death of lucasarts and handing star wars to EA. Battlefront 3 was 98% done and all the other projects that got cancelled looked like a dream.
2f30d2 No.15867781
>>15867763
So long as they don’t touch the new Clone Wars season and just let them finish it up like they were going to, I don’t care to much. Lucas was tired of the shit he got for the prequels which was all basically meme hate so no matter who it would have went to it would have gone to shit anyways. At least it’s easy to consider anything after he left not canon.
5340f6 No.15867810
>>15867763
>the death of lucasarts
>lucasarts
>Battlefront 3
Free Radical was developing B3 not LucasArts, There were so many great games by lucasarts released in the last 5 years before EA acquired them right? The Force Unleashed was mediocre at best and the company was pretty much dead in the ground before Disney picked them up. Also as far as the movies go It's hard to believe that the movies would have been even the slightest less horrible if the hack George Lucas was still behind the wheel. What I am trying to say if you haven't gotten it already is that Stars Wars has always been shit.
c05b9c No.15868033
>>15863661
>walking talking mouse
>it's not furshit if it's 100 years old
1e678d No.15868070
>Not even Epic Mickey wants Robin hood.
1918c7 No.15868506
>>15867781
>which was all basically meme hate
Right anon. Hating midichlorians is just a meme. Episode 2 and 3 were pretty solid, though, and Episode 1 was pretty stupid for the plot and the midichlorians stuff.
>>15867810
I mean, yes, LucasArts was dead, but i wasn't trying to kill their IPs with them.
Star Wars would have been better if they left the EU develop by itself as it always was.
>>15868070
Robin Hood is technically not that classic and it's also one of the worst Disney releases both in quality and reception still one of my favorite movies
c1194f No.15868519
>>15868506
>Robin Hood is technically not that classic and it's also one of the worst Disney releases both in quality and reception still one of my favorite movies
All of the best Disney films were declared to be shit according to the universe, and that makes me happy because then they will not be grounded into dust. Hopefully. It didn't work out for Pete's Dragon.
ff7567 No.15868532
>>15868506
Post-Walt Disney was pretty hit-or-miss before going mostly-miss.
Fug.
1918c7 No.15868545
>>15868519
Bad reception =/= Bad Movie
Atlantis is the best example of that. Although problems with stuff like the Black Cauldron go beyond that like subpar animation quality at least considering Disney standard And its the same problem the Disney movies after Walt-Disney faced with shit like reused animation as this anon says >>15868532 and then there's visual stunning movies with lazy plots like Treasure Planet and again, I do like it
>>15868532
The Aristocats and Oliver and his Gang are perfect examples of how Disney went furry are hit or miss, usually having more negative things than positive.
The thing is, it would have been nice if Epic Mickey had this on it to reflect Disney failures, but that would mean Disney admitting to fail, and those faggots don't do that. It would have also rekindled interest in these movies if handled right, ie making people feel bad for forgetting these movies, and having Epic Mickey literally giving more life to them as an allegory to celebrate them despite not being the best there is, just like what they were trying to achieve with Oswald.
But that's way beyond them.
6a040b No.15868549
>>15868519
Atlantis could've made it less obvious that the protag was a 1-for-1 copy of Daniel Jackson from SG1. Still not a bad movie, though.
1918c7 No.15868560
>>15868545
Forgot to mention, you notice the movies were particularly bad when you have them competing against stuff like All Dogs go to Heaven and to an extension, Cats don't dance. They weren't the best, but were better than Disney movies since they were actually challenging in plot and showed things Disney wouldn't, like a fucking depiction of hell or a little girl being a villain.
>>15868519
>Pete's Dragon
Didn't even heard about that or black hole.
4ecb0d No.15868580
>>15868519
I've always been a bit surprised no one has ever tried to make a remake of the black hole.
44b3f6 No.15868612
ff7567 No.15868631
>>15868620
If nothing else, there's at least one good thing to come out of CalArts.
5f9983 No.15868685
>>15868631
Yeah man but what are parents supposed to do for their kids now? Just pirate the classics? Make them play outside?
2f30d2 No.15868781
>>15867150
Man, Disney sure could animate back in the day. The writing’s not half bad either.
87635d No.15868834
>>15868620
<today I will remind them>
ff7567 No.15868994
>>15868834
Also this, I guess.
1e678d No.15869045
>>15868532
Duchess a shit.
c45773 No.15869340
>>15867020
Did Disney ever make you guys change the way the game played or were they only concerned about maintaining Mickey's squeaky clean image?
a41c0a No.15869378
>>15868506
Midichlorians aren't a scientific explanation for The Force. They're a scientific explanation for why Force sensitivity is hereditary. I don't think this is something to be mad over.
Episode I is better than Episode II. III is almost up there with the originals though.
>>15868685
The best idea I've heard from people on /v/ is to introduce kids to vidya in chronological order. Let them have an Atari as soon as they have the motor skills to use a joystick. Or even before, they can play with you/watch you play/you literally hold their hand and make them think they're playing. Then after a while, give them the NES games, then the Genesis/SNES, and so on, with the spacing between each generation getting slightly longer. Time feels slow to a kid, so even if it's only like six months, that feels like forever. Once they get old enough to be in school, they'll realize what you've been pulling and become aware of new shit games. But hopefully by then you've instilled in them a proper appreciation for older stuff.
The same principle applies to any other media. Kids today are not at all aware of Golden Age animation. Hell, they're not even aware of '90s renaissance animation. All they know is SJW modern cartoon network shit. If you get them autistic for good stuff before they're old enough to be influenced by peers, you might be able to prevent them having shit taste.
e92f12 No.15869432
>>15868834
I like his energy but did he ever post his life-changing shit at the end of the rant?
87635d No.15869493
>>15869432
I've visited archive the other day, he got banned right after the last post in the screencap, there's one more reply not saying anything important omitted in the cap as well. Pic related is presumed to be the same anon given the writing style and similarity of the subject
dd203c No.15869499
>>15867087
>Nah. That stuff stays on your machine at work at Disney corporate IT would push your shit in if they caught you taking stuff out. shame. lot of the concept art was really cool. all of the concept artists we had were Disney-grade artists, and their work was insane
Damn, that's a shame. The stuff posted so far in this thread is really good, I imagine the stuff that you got to see was really something.
93a530 No.15869618
>>15868519
>Black hole
MAXIMILLION!
This movie simply wouldn't fly nowadays.
e92f12 No.15869994
>>15869493
It's interesting because on the one hand he makes really solid points, on the other hand that has got to be the most roundabout way of expressing your concern with something, even for an imageboard's standard.
ca2cd3 No.15870024
>>15869493
>we will be fighting genuine meme wars in the 2020s
THE FIRE RISES
5322e9 No.15870027
>>15869994
Reminds me of pic related, expect his post isn't about dumb shit.
509498 No.15871125
>ha ha mickey is not furry anon
>thread is filled with furfags
Thanks mark.
3f898e No.15871353
>>15868620
Considering there are actual design elements in the character and it doesn’t rip off low effort potatoe grin design, I’d say it’s pretty far from the calarts school, at least design wise. Animation is shit no matter how you look at it. Not as bad as most, but nowhere near what tv animation was even 5 years ago.
2f30d2 No.15871590
>>15868519
I didn’t even think it at the time, but characters from the Black Cauldron would have been perfect for the game. Eilonwy is considered a forgotten Disney princess after all. Considering how bad Disney has been raping their previous princesses, that’s a good thing.
b944ca No.15871663
>>15863532
>main means of having fun is a limited resource that significantly reduces fuck around factor
It's a piece of crap
1e678d No.15871804
>>15871722
>>15871721
Pathetic
2f963b No.15871841
>>15867052
Warren Spector is a hack, having met him personally. He's still riding the coattails of his old projects. Underworld Ascendant was shit, and I have very low hopes for "System Shock" 3.
6ce2e6 No.15871859
>>15867020
Holy shit, an actual gamedev on /v/? Well, if you manage to read this…
Are there any scrapped elements of Epic Mickey you feel worth noting? Are there any that have made it into other games?
How was development itself? Was it difficult having Disney breathing down your necks the entire time?
9dd3e5 No.15872568
>>15868519
Tasure Planet my dude
74ebba No.15872703
>>15868620
>>15867472
Most of the animation or directing talent left cartoon network a long time ago when they had that CEO that almost killed the channel with live action programs. The Micky shorts are being done by some of CN's former heavy hitters.
d567bf No.15872820
>game of forgotten Disney characters
Speaking of which, will Peg Pete ever be referenced by Disney ever again?
2f30d2 No.15873621
>>15872820
It’s best good things are forgotten or left in the past.
44d783 No.15873849
>>15871859
>devs on v
more devs read v than you might think, and a lot of us post without talking about what we do
>stuff that was cut
the only thing that comes to mind was this crazy racing and demolition derby minigame for tomorrowland that had shit like customizing cars with parts you'd find while playing the game. really robust, and a designer friend told me its design doc was almost as big as the one for the main game. got cut almost immediately though
>working under disney
They gave us mostly a free hand creatively, but we had to give them tons of progress updates and check stuff with their execs to make sure it 'fit the brand' and all that. no, the hardest thing for us making the game was dealing with some of the most incompetent managers we've ever seen most of whom came from EA. attrition was horrible once we got into mickey2
671ff6 No.15874349
>>15868519
The Black Cauldron is and will always be my favourite (I even enjoyed the DOS game). Shame Disney refuse to acknowledge it as The Horned King would be an epic Kingdom Hearts boss.
2f30d2 No.15874359
Been playing through the first one a bit and I'm beginning to think this is one of those games that people may have been a bit to critical on when it released. It definitely isn't perfect and some of the concepts are a tad half baked, but the platforming is decent and you can tell the game has a lot of heart and passion behind it. The atmosphere, ost, and animations are all great.
>>15873849
Looks like that racing game was going to be a full fledged game at some point but got canned.
b008fc No.15874707
>>15867404
>mirror cucked
The backpack wasnt enough
4a97ad No.15876572
ba7456 No.15876579
>>15874707
It's a porthole, they're on a ship.
7f2c59 No.15876787
Oswald has had 2 love interests in his life. His first was a rabbit named Fanny that turned into a flirty slut in her final appearance. His second is a cat he currently racemixes with. Yet the ironic thing is that you can't find Fanny anywhere in this Wasteland. A land for forgotten characters.
>Originally, Fanny was supposed to be in Epic Mickey and replace Ortensia, but she was changed for unknown reasons, although it might have been the fact that Ortensia was Oswald's latest love interest.
She really was replaced and forgotten. But Ortensia was the more lovable girl, anyways.
2f30d2 No.15876881
>>15867150
Anyone have a better quality upload of this?
f36d14 No.15876904
>>15868545
I just want to see more references to the Great Mouse Detective. I just can't get enough of that sexy mouse girl.
5f9983 No.15876940
>>15876904
>Great Mouse Detective
Good taste shame you're a furfag
2aa3c0 No.15876997
>>15873849
Convince more of your dev pals to post on 8/v/ more often. Too many threads about censorship which is relevant but there's nothing we can do about it here and most of us already know about it before it's posted and not enough about the actual games lately. Thanks for coming by.
e38ef8 No.15877009
>>15876997
>There's nothing we can do about censorship!
Defeatism should kill themselves.
>No one talk about games anymore
There's little to nothing worth talking about except emulation and the such.
ba7456 No.15877017
>>15876940
ain't nothing wrong with that.
2aa3c0 No.15877036
>>15877009
Please anon, inform this wage slave what he can do, aside from controlling where his meagre earnings go and being informed and informing others in his circle, which are already done on as regular a basis as possible. There's nothing defeatist in my answer; I've done all I can, I do not control the market. There is nothing else I can do.
4a97ad No.15877119
>>15877009
trying to spread outrage amongst the perpetually outraged isnt "doing something"
e38ef8 No.15877130
>>15877036
You can keep talking about it instead of ignoring it because "it's already been said" or "They already know". What if that isn't the case? And what if it is?
>>15877119
If you don't keep the fire going it will just extinguish eventually.
4a97ad No.15877197
>>15877130
oh are we doing metaphors in lieu of actual arguments? well if you want the fire to spread you cant just throw hair trimmings from the barber shop into the fireplace, the safest place to have a fire. all it does is stink up the house.
85147f No.15877342
>>15867339
>it's a complex answer. a lot of games these days try for photo realism, but that's really hard and expensive to do. this has meant that the cost of making games has gone up, but the profit margins get thinner for big budget stuff, so we end up crunching or compromising on a bunch of stuff.
Could this be why Nintendo avoided that route and just stuck with (lower cost) games with nice non-photorealstic art styles and seems to have let them survive even with things like the Wii U's lack of an audience?
>>15867422
>why do you think Fortnite is so popular?
It's a combo of factors
>recycling a PvE game assets and building mechanics so they could copy PUBG quickly
>being F2P to any normalfag can get it, including those that wanted PUBG
>low skill ceiling/dumb luck bullet spray mechanics
>having the Battle Royale gambling gameplay (just one more victory!)
>streamers and Mincraft Hunger Games mod fans
>and bit of dumb luck because it playerbase was so low early on it nearly tanked
0ce7b8 No.15877616
This thread reminds me of the absolute bullshit the Disney infinity devs had to deal with too. Basicly any move that would have garnered any attention from long time fans was shot down in favor of new movie pr stunts.
You want to buy a dark wing duck figure to have fun with your kid? To bad the pr department says make inside out characters. Xmen? No. Only movie characters allowed. Classic movie characters? The fuck outta here unless its Pixar.
The worst part is, they could have made alot of money had they cooled it with the monthly movie tie in cycle and went for long term sales using classic characters. But Disney is nothing but short sighted now.
cc4fcd No.15877927
>>15868994
>>15868834
and especially >>15869493
Jesus. I don't know where to begin. Real eye openers for sure. He's right about that bauhaus shit and modern art being as flat and obvious as a deer crossing sign. I don't remember which cartoon, but my little sister was watching something and I was taken aback by the lack of any shading. It's like every shape was hit by a fill tool and that's all they did for every frame.
This goes for some changes to company logos. Some of the older stuff does look tacky, but this newer stuff is just like that bauhaus style, flat and soulless. I can only post five, but look up the old Apple logos and compare to the new one. I'm willing to bet that every tech company that was around before 2000 has had some whacky logo, but now they have some flat logo with only 2 colors at most.
And about the autonomic feedback loops, I can believe it. I've heard people discuss (((THE ALGORITHM))) that Google/YouTube use, and it sounds like they just throw monkey wrenches into their code until they get the results they want. I wish I remember where I saw this, but they had a slide where on one side, a search term returned news articles of all sorts, and on the other side was the same search term that returned news articles with sources like CNN and MSNBC at the very top and they said that the latter was the improved algorithm at work.
There's not a doubt in my mind that companies use data to figure out how to best sell their shit. I think Google/YouTube are taking it a step further. For the longest time, the only videos on the related videos section would only contain videos I've seen before or other videos from channels I already watch. Only occasionally would there be something "different". It was usually stuff that would more or less be in line with stuff I already watched if it had any leanings in thought, a sort of echo chamber effect, if you will. Recently, however, there has been a channel constantly showing up in the related videos called Knowing Better. I watched some of his stuff, and it's fishy. inb4 "hurr durr your admitting to being in an echo chamburrr" but this channel's videos have this eerie sense of infiltration into circles of content I watch in order to "debunk" it all. It all has the tinge of "there's this idea that's been going on about X, and it's partly true, but ultimately wrong, so let me take you back so you can fall in line where you belong".
There was even a video where he talks about that infamous "dog whistling" tactic, but then goes onto plug a channel (called Three Arrows, I think) with one of the antifa iconographies as its avatar, as if no one would notice that subtle leading. He really didn't even bother to mention that the channel he was plugging would be in opposition to the people he was trying to reach, but to give them an honest listen to, he just nonchalantly plugged them as if it were a disinterested third party with some trustworthy info.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I think that bauhaus anon is onto something.