67ef07 No.15856393
Which game series has has experienced the most dramatic fall from grace? Where is the stench of Decline the most foul? Where the anus has been so brutally violated that you can't help but look away in disgust and disbelief?
03fb2b No.15856407
671070 No.15856409
>>15856393
>Where the anus has been so brutally violated that you can't help but look away in disgust and disbelief?
Why is Leddit still here when they cannot look at a simple drawing without losing their shit?
1ea935 No.15856466
>>15856393
>Which game series has has experienced the most dramatic fall from grace?
The SaGa series, unfortunately. The fans of Sonic and Final Fantasy ruined their series and the creator of Ultima went full castle. But, the SaGa series went away and every time it tries to come back it is mobile and shit or too hard for wimpy journos to review fairly. Also, Diablo series went full milking machine– they want on your phones, your livelihood. Never pay for mobile, ever.
75133e No.15856472
LET ME COUNT THE FUCKING WAYS
c89e97 No.15856519
>>15856409
He meant a real one, faggot
286a4c No.15856579
>>15856407
Halo/Star Wars are in a pretty tight contest for speed at which they can be raped.
ee7746 No.15856595
>>15856579
I bet star wars will die first
>>15856393
Dragon age since the 2nd one, dead space, pretty much any EA title. NuStar wars battlefront, there are a few franchises that have been saved.
1d4454 No.15856602
>>15856407
Least the first 3 are good lol
1d4454 No.15856605
448bdd No.15856606
Dragon age origins compared to dragon age 3 is pretty astonishing
e8ea64 No.15856614
>>15856502
It was never all that good, but at least the first one was memorable. 2 and 3 are so forgettable that I can't really remember specifics about either game.
05a53e No.15856628
>>15856429
USUM is the best 3DS Pokemon game (not like that's much of an accomplishment given the competition)
b258af No.15856641
>>15856429
Does that really count, though? It's not that pokemon got significantly worse overall, it's just that every improvement past gen 2 was paired with an equal amount of fuckup in a world where standards are higher.
cf4396 No.15856647
>>15856466
How did Scarlet Grace turn out? Not that we're apt to get it in English.
6519de No.15856651
Everything from Blizzard post 2004-07
'09 was when Diablo was ruined forever
'13 was when Starcraft was ruined forever (WoL had a lot of problems but it was still very fun)
Warcraft depends on who you ask. The RTS franchise was ruined with the introduction of WoW which was '05, WoWfags will tell you it was somewhere between the second or 3rd expansion or something
and then Blizzard went into the toilets
05a53e No.15856652
>>15856641
Honestly, the cuts began in Gen 2. Kanto is much smaller than it was originally to be able to fit in the game. I guess it's better than the Spaceworld version of Kanto though. Pokemon just cuts things for no good reason unless it's battle where it took them fucking years to make Leech Life not trash because they don't like changing battle stuff.
75133e No.15856655
>>15856632
I want to nonconsensually pinch Roll's cheeks and roughly tousle her hair.
92dbdf No.15856668
>>15856655
Me too anon, me too.
2a31fd No.15856689
>>15856393
Sonic stops being good once you emulate it.
b258af No.15856690
>>15856652
>game has nearly twice the expected content
>get mad that it's only nearly twice instead of exactly twice
92dbdf No.15856701
>>15856689
Of course the "sonic was never good" autist arrives. Go back to reddit.
75133e No.15856705
>>15856652
>no good reason
They literally couldn't fit more on the cartridge. It took a flaming autist to come in and save the day to put Kanto in Gen II at all because they were using restrictive mapping instead of permissive. Most of what was Gen II was originally supposed to be part of Gen I, but they didn't have the autist, so it was split into two games. Which is why Gen III was such a wild departure; it was actually the second game with new and unrelated ideas.
Nobody remembers the guy's name, though.
2a31fd No.15856714
>>15856701
>Reddit
>disliking any Sonic game other than '06 because some YouTuber told them to
The original trilogy only works if you can't save.
ee7746 No.15856723
>>15856466
Tooo true man too true. Will we ever get a diablo I or II remaster? Hell even a actual diablo game that isnt 3? Fuck blizzard.
c437cf No.15856724
>>15856705
Nobody remembers Iwata?
75133e No.15856729
>>15856724
It was sarcasm, but I'm glad my sarcasm was well-founded and he is remembered as the lunatic that taught himself to code by tricking his dot matrix printer into dumping its RAM and then reading what it was doing, on paper.
92dbdf No.15856734
>>15856714
>The original trilogy only works if you can't save.
Nice to know you haven't played them.
05a53e No.15856738
>>15856690
People get mad at HGSS for adding a few cutscenes with all the good shit, and they hate Gen 5 even though it's the best, so I get to point out facts. Also, it's not even twice the content because Kanto barely has any aside from some Gym Leader fights and one Rocket Grunt.
>>15856705
I think you have this completely wrong, especially based off what we know about both the Spaceworld demo and the 190 missing Pokemon. As a matter of fact, we've only seen evidence that two concepts were re-used for Gen 2. Firstly, Mr. Mime's original name in the first polls was Bariiina instead of Barrierd, and the name Bariina was used again in the Spaceworld demo for it's pre-evo, which could mean a lot of things but I'm not sure. Secondly, blurry photographic evidence implies that the ball tigers from Gen 2 were actually cut from Gen 1. If you want to know more, check out this site it's full of great autistic articles on this sort of thing.
https://helixchamber.com/
Here's another interesting fact, Iwata had only confirmed he did the graphics compression for the game.
Iwata
Well at that time, I felt that for the whole team at Nintendo, the biggest priority was not to do anything that would adversely influence the development of Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver. So I very naturally slotted in on the development side for Pokémon.
Morimoto
What's more, there were the tools for compressing the Pokémon graphic code…
Iwata
Ah yes, the compression tools.
Morimoto
You were kind enough to create those tools.
Iwata
Yes. (laughs) Well, I had heard from Ishihara-san that you'd been rather concerned about it.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/2
For the record I don't know what's said in USUM when they mention his compression is what caused Kanto to be in the game, so the implication could be there or could have been added by some localizer from TPCi who doesn't know his shit. Iwata is in fact a fucking code wizard so I believe he could save enough space to add mostly Kanto, but I'm not sure.
3ee092 No.15856741
>>15856734
I bet you enjoyed Sonic Mania, degenerate.
92dbdf No.15856753
>>15856741
The fuck does sonic mania have to do with anything you retard
75133e No.15856772
>>15856738
Huh. Interesting. I am pretty confident in what I'd said, though. It was properly sourced in an interview and everything, which I can no longer remember the source of, unfortunately.
As far as I can remember, the problem was that the game considered all tiles navigable unless permissions were revoked to move over it, which is how it works in real life: something has to be added to nothing to keep you from traversing that space. Like a wall, or rock. He flipped the paradigm by having the world start by default as one massive obstruction, and then carved out exceptions for wherever you're supposed to be able to go. In effect, the game only had to remember land you could walk on, instead of the land you couldn't. Much smaller memory footprint.
19c128 No.15856787
>>15856472
>mega man
>raped
what are you talking about? Most mega man games and mega man spin offs are relatively good. And MM11 is a great game plus Capcom take a blind eye to fan games so we have gems like MegaMan Maker.
05a53e No.15856797
>>15856772
I do know that they did in fact switch it at some point, or at least somebody on /v/ mentioned it. I'd believe Game Freak would do something retarded like that, only to have somebody come in and fix their shit. Regardless, the actual development of the Pokemon games is quite interesting. Did you know that they had Gen 1's map mostly designed way back in like 1990, back when it was Capsule Monsters? I know I said there were only 190 Pokemon in Gen 1, but the truth is that only 190 spaces were ever planned at one point. They had designed a ton of them, not to mention redesigns that changed appearance completely (for example, the most generic bird Pokemon ever became Spearow, which incidentally nobody actually liked after they redesigned it, and Seel that looked absolutely disgusting). There's a lot of mysteries we still don't know, even though 2018 was a huge year for this sort of thing with the Satoshi Tajiri manga and the Spaceworld demo, plus more minor things like fucking Gorochu.
ba8ce8 No.15856829
>>15856787
How about that Megaman Legends 3 debacle, Xover and the long absence between games? 11 is relatively good, hard bosses, grinding purchase system to make beating the game a little easier but can be ignored, and a weaker Wily Stages. It took them a while to even make a new entry for a megaman game but you always saw his presence as an item or some way they disrespected the blue bomber that there has been a long outcry of wanting a new real megaman game and it seem like those thoughts were ignored until the recent release of 11. Will they put megaman into their regular rotation of games or will we just see it every 5 years.
75133e No.15856833
>>15856787
>Megaman 9 and 10 fell for nostalgiabait 'we can be indie too' they were good, but now there's a jarring gap in the subseries style continuity
>Megaman X 6, 7, 8. And 4 and 5 depending on who you ask. X7 is particularly awful not just in quality but because they could have used the DMC crew for its gameplay
>Megaman Zero was supposed to end at 3; IntiCreates realized Capcom was going to milk it forever so they made sure to kill Zero in 4
>Megaman EXE was supposed to end at 3; 4 was created in under a year by a new team and dear god did it show
>ZXA and Starforce themselves are evidence of them running out of ideas, failing to grow and adapt, and may have killed the franchise even before the Legends 3 debacle
>Retro Studios' planned X-series trilogy was canned
>The Megaman Online game was canned
>X-Over wasn't
>Cartoons have gone from campy unrelated fun to eternal screaming from the abyss
>Command Mission is first pre-Legends opportunity to flesh out the core settings in an RPG capacity, in an under-serviced worldbuilding-heavy setting. Ending possibly shows start of Elf Wars; only gets one game, later dubbed dubiously canon
>LEGENDS 3
>even in non-canon appearances, Capcom continues to fuck with the fanbase for no reason like the MvC:I reveal trailer starting with only X
Megaman is based on rock opera because the hero always fights until the end, but the situation always continually gets worse anyways.
>>15856797
I'd seen a few bits of that reveal, but not the images you just posted. Pretty awesome stuff. I know Pokemon was a passion project that they completed other games on the side to fund, so I'm not really surprised that they had their dream game planned out years in advance. Definitely a labor of love. I really wish they'd kept Mantine and Octillery's original designs.
05a53e No.15856848
>>15856833
Yeah, like I mentioned, Helix Chamber has a great analysis of this sort of thing. It's got me interested to see what the index numbers of the Spaceworld Pokemon are, how it compares to the actual Gen 2 index numbers (not so much with Gen 1, it's probably similar to how actual Gen 1 compares to it). Unfortunately I'm really retarded about that sort of thing. Also, did you know Masuda had Ruby and Sapphire, Fire Red and Leaf Green, and probably Diamond and Pearl planned out way in advance? He was really confident he could save Pokemon. I think history has shown us that it was really everyone else who did.
8926c0 No.15856896
>>15856833
>The Megaman Online game was canned
>Retro Studios' planned X-series trilogy was canned
I can't believe that a Korean MMO starring Megaman and a gritty FPS that is a bastardized X reboot not existing are supposed to be a bad thing now. The only thing that came to life from that trinity of cancer was X-Over.
aa2ac5 No.15856897
>>15856738
Most Gen 5 hate comes BW1, which a fucking hot mess of a game.
7e55d1 No.15856904
>>15856393
>Sonic
I wouldn't say Sonic got "raped". It's more like Sonic sucks now is, because it failed to make the leap from 2D to 3D. Same goes for Metroid and Castlevania for that matter.
75133e No.15856911
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>>15856848
I actually don't know what went on much in Pokemon's development after Gen II. Gen III lost me with its tonal and artistic shift.
Fun fact: The SS Anne theme is Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition with the bridge just being a chunk of Pachabel's Canon in D dropped in the middle of it.
>>15856896
We don't even know if they were going to be good. I wasn't holding out much hope for the MMO, but I'd have liked to have seen what became of it. And I'd definitely give Retro the chance to impress me. This was Metroid Prime-era Retro. All we ever saw was an alpha build, which looked pretty generic, but of course it did. This is the company that didn't reuse a single room in Prime.
05a53e No.15856946
>>15856897
In what way do you mean? Aside from a terrible Pokemon selection before the first gym (which Gen 1 has) and the only optional content being side areas (which I'm not even mad about because otherwise you end up with Gen 1's awful midgame level curve, I haven't analyzed Gen 2 so I dunno) I don't really see any problems with BW, and if it weren't for all the cool optional content in B2W2 I'd probably like BW more.
>>15856911
No offense but you don't seem to know much about Pokemon's development at all, which is not surprising since they're so secretive about it. I can understand the tonal shift being a problem, Masuda's basic ass save the world stories are pretty bad and only Gen 5 handled it well (and I don't even want to give them that because the setting itself does most of the work). Honestly I'd rather have Ohmori since SM was a little less awful than ORAS, unlike whatever the fuck Masuda did with Let's Go. Don't have high hopes for Gen 8, but maybe the upward trend will continue. Or maybe Ohmori will just get worse, hard to say.
bbad61 No.15856970
>>15856655
You fucking sicko, reported.
>captcha: yesuzw
573818 No.15857006
>>15856502
Mass Effect was never good.
8afb4b No.15857014
>>15857006
"X was never good" is an effortless brainlet opinion. There has to be a baseline for quality for any franchise, and it's always the first.
bba6f7 No.15857036
>>15856393
>Where is the stench of Decline the most foul? Where the anus has been so brutally violated that you can't help but look away in disgust and disbelief?
Need for Speed.
bba6f7 No.15857079
>>15856833
I thought ZXA was okay.
aa2ac5 No.15857122
>>15856946
Lot of problems outside it's fucking awful start is how transparent it railroads you to play it the way it wants you to, The wild and trainer sets are made to intentionally waste your time and they blow their load with N and ghetsis way too early. Lot of little nitpicks besides that and it's mostly just wasted potential (which comes across as intentional half the time)
7384ab No.15857177
>>15856393
>Sonic
>FF
>Ultima
>rape
Those franchises have been poorly mismanaged but I wouldn't call them "raped".
Now these two franchises have definitely been raped.
75133e No.15857188
>>15856946
No offense taken. I've just heard some things here any there. You do kind of touch on my beef with the later generations, though. I wanted to be the kid fighting the mob, not The Chosen One saving the universe.
1ea935 No.15857191
>>15856502
Above average games at best, the downfall set into motion after reaching the peak shortly after the beginning of the second game. Sci fi games are looked upon fondly because the genre is what is most wanted and not made and instead fantasy and wasteland is spread.
243fd3 No.15857193
>>15857177
<amazing series gets games that retroactively ruin previous installments rewrite or ignore the most important events of the entire series, and are some of the worst games ever made all around
<not raped
>mediocre series get some shit games that fuck with SOME lore
>raped
05a53e No.15857220
>>15857122
You want to talk about wasting the player's time? Gen 1 is almost the king of that. When I was looking through trainer data, most trainers with more than 3 Pokemon had several repeat Pokemon and were all fairly low level. Both Gen 1 and BW have an excuse in their limited Pokemon pool, and it's been a while since I looked at BW anyway so maybe I should take a closer look one of these days.
6ef58a No.15857265
Fallout, no contest. Old school fans had to stand by and watch as Bethesda bought out the IP and pissed on its grave. FO4 and 76 especially are just fucking atrocities.
7384ab No.15857267
>>15857193
>amazing series gets games that retroactively ruin previous installments rewrite or ignore the most important events of the entire series, and are some of the worst games ever made all around
I'm glad you agree with how badly Bethesda ruined the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series'.
243fd3 No.15857296
>>15857267
>Skyrim
>worst games ever made all around
Have you played video games before, anon?
09b47d No.15857311
>>15856652
I always jizz hard when I see Space World demo references.
2018 was a good year for gaming.
6ef58a No.15857340
>>15857265
Also, I'd like to add many of the franchise rapes previously brought up are considered to be as such by the majority of people. It's an extra level of rape when casuals not only don't see it that way, but are actually thankful to the company responsible for the rape. I don't think I've ever felt the pure, unadulterated hatred for normalfaggots like I did when FO4 was released to critical acclaim and everyone was lining up to suck Todd's dick for it.
09b47d No.15857354
>>15856738
It's always funny when people say Gen 5 is the best. I have always been a fan of Gen 4 and largely skipped Gen 5. First time having online in a Pokemon game was great, the cheating wasn't and still isn't. Won't buy a Pokemon game until they finally fix it.
fa9fe6 No.15857381
>>15856714
but you can save in 3/3&K and 3&K is the best one
05a53e No.15857395
>>15857354
>I have always been a fan of Gen 4
I've never understood why people liked Gen 4. Then again I don't like battling other people, so I guess it's the "it's fun with friends" thing. Personally the game is overall too fucking slow unless it's HGSS, where mostly only HP drain is really slow for some reason. I also don't know what you mean by cheating online but I've just said I don't play online so clearly I have no idea. Also, I would have said Gen 5 (and 4) online is actually super dead, but some people actually fixed it.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/nds-constraint-taking-advantage-of-a-flaw-in-the-nintendo-ds-i-ssl-library.522011/
09b47d No.15857413
>>15857395
I've always thought people complaining that Gen 4 was slow were saying that in retrospect.
When I mean cheating, I mean generating Pokemon making it so that Pokemon have no inherent value. A mew and a rattata are basically the same value in these games because Nintendo doesn't care.
< Mega Man
I feel like I am the only who would support a PC-based Megaman Battle Network game. This would allow Net Battles to happen online and have chips added over time. An esport if you will. Same battle engine as the other games..
fa9fe6 No.15857418
>>15857177
>Ultima
>not raped
the most recent entries in the franchice were a web-based pay-to-not-wait city builder and a remake of Ultima 4 with pay-to-skip-gameplay features
05a53e No.15857433
>>15857413
No, going from any other game to DPPt is a huge downgrade it speed. I was trying to get all the ribbons on a single Pokemon a while back, Gen 4 was a nightmare compared to the other games. As for hacking Pokemon, you do know you could do that shit with a Game Shark super easy too, right? Honestly it's probably harder now since you probably have to hack your system to get hacked Pokemon. I don't know any other way to do it, anyway.
243fd3 No.15857442
>>15857418
I always just thought the series was dead after Online. Holy shit, anon, I fucking hate you so much for making me aware of this.
7384ab No.15857493
>>15857418
I thought that long since dead mobile game that nobody remembers was the last entry.
c1a597 No.15857551
>>15856393
duke nukem
12 years of waiting and they dropped a vomit-filled turd directly into our throats.
ultima was buttfucked and left to rot too.
anything that any large publisher touched.
outcast killed off, only just reviving.
halo was dead on arrival thanks to microshit and their cancerconsole.
c1a597 No.15857559
>>15857265
bethesda feel like a robot made their games.
none of them have the slighest bit of feeling to them.
0a5256 No.15857583
Am I the only one who's happy Bethesda is taking a nosedive? I couldn't stand the Bethesda fans circle-jerking over buggy shit.
19c128 No.15857602
>>15856833
>MM9 &10
good games, but IntiCreates fell for the "Nintendo hard" meme when they designed the game.
>Mega Man X6 X7, & X8
Those are bad but not the worst games ever made
>Megaman Zero
those are good games
>Megaman XZ
good games
>The Megaman Online game was canned
good, online games are crap
>Cartoons have gone from campy unrelated fun to eternal screaming from the abyss
cartoons have never been good
>LEGENDS 3
That was never a real mega man game, just a fun game wearing a mega man skin. But that said their still arn't bad Legends games so it's not really "raped".
>>15856829
FINE, FUCK YOU! YOU'RE RIGHT!! LEGENDS GOT RAPED GET OVER IT. HE WAS ASKING FOR IT!
d41840 No.15858403
>>15857267
Skyrim and Fallout Online aren't even that bad. The only bad game on there was Fallout 76. The others are just subpar normalfag trash that would only appeal to newcomers or casual players of the franchise..
d41840 No.15858413
>>15857602
9 is good and 10 is lazy garbage.
bc70e8 No.15858600
>>15856472
I wouldn't say MM has had a "dramatic fall from grace." There was a time Capcom was seemingly trying to bury it in the backyard, but that's not really "rape". Raping a franchise implies turning it into something terrible in with misinformed/malicious intent. If Mighty Number 9 had been a Mega Man game, that would have been rape.
52e3e7 No.15858629
>>15856429
Have you seen LGPE?
eb256e No.15858666
>>15858629
What the fuck is that?
52e3e7 No.15858698
>>15858666
Eevee gets some new signature moves.
I think it's also worth mentioning that Eevee is the second best Pokemon in the game, sitting directly below Mewtwo and in the same viability tier as Mew.
3a3745 No.15858727
>>15858629
>>15858698
>Baddy Bad
I get the others, despite being stupid baby talk nonsense, but what the fuck does Baddy Bad do?
52e3e7 No.15858738
>>15858727
90bp Dark move that automatically sets up Reflect.
d6288b No.15859381
>>15857177
TES was never good. You can't rape something that was shit from its very inception. None of them had fun combat. Everyone of them has a bland, drab, ugly world with mind-numbingly boring quests.
c1a597 No.15859486
>>15859381
truth
They just have pretty environments and claim "size of landmass" as their main feature.
it might as well be a flight sim, at least that would save time.
016aab No.15859532
558b1f No.15859575
Top prize for me has to be split between two particular groups of developers' house styles: Firstly, the tactically planned squad command games of Red Storm's Tom Clancy games Rainbow Six 1-3 and Ghost Recon 1-2, degenerating into tacticool CoD:MW clones. Second, the self-styled "immersive sims" (UU, SS, DX, Thief) of Looking Glass, degenerating through their sequels, then into series of "successors" like Bioshock, Dishonored, and arguably even Gone Home.
Not only were these great series turned to exemplars of bad design with terrible fandoms, not only did the results popularly eclipse their predecessors and wreak havoc on the industry as a whole, but most of the damage in both cases was done by THE SAME TEAMS THAT INVENTED THE ORIGINALS.
>>15856393
>sonic
Pretty bad, but as >>15856904 said, I'd call it more incompetence than rape.
>final fantasy
Honestly not much sillier and less substantial than it ever was
>ultima
VERY painful, 8 & 9 were fuckups on a scale difficult for people now to comprehend, but at least it killed the series.
>>15856407
Raped in the womb by Microsoft
>>15856410
Like Ultima, at least nothing came of the rape afterward, aside from some Generals fans.
>>15856429
Pokemon has always been a garbage SMT ripoff
>>15856472
>>15856632
Agreed with the others, Megaman hasn't been raped, just neglected.
>>15856502
Nasty. Similarly as >>15856606 notes DA, though it was only partly there to begin with.
>>15857019
OUCH. Nothing but Rabbids, only thing more awful is what might happen to BG&E in the future.
>>15857036
Porsche Unleashed marked an incline after a dip toward the arcade-y, things could still change.
>>15857177
>>15857265
==THIS!== Almost NOTHING has been raped 1/1000th as hard as Fallout and TES, to such resounding acclaim by a massive orgy of degenerates.
>>15857340
Absolutely agreed. What's worst isn't when a game is raped, but when the deformed monstrosities spawned as a result are upheld as shining examples of it by later generations.
>>15857418
Anon, I don't think mobile games or pachinko count. EVERYTHING gets that treatment.
>>15857551
>Duke Nukem
I'm glad it died afterward, at least with a reasonable successor in Serious Sam.
>Outcast
Nah, just another neat game that popped up and wasn't successful enough for a sequel, about like Psi-Ops or Advent Rising.
>Halo
Agreed, any potential vanished before it even left Mac/PC.
257dd9 No.15859613
i'd probably go with tomb raider seeing as others have been mentioned. game went from a puzzle-platformer with a really good atmosphere to a generic cinemtic tps
and the worst is some "fans" of the originals will say it's evolved and tank controls were done due to technical limitations, not realising that precise movement was part of the challenge with platforming
>>15859575
>multi-quotes
>can't redtext
faggot redtext has to be on it's own line
284475 No.15859624
>>15857019
Even Mario got rabies rabbids. Fucking ubisoft. Though if I could choose, I'd rather have Rayman/Sonic crossover.
bba6f7 No.15860108
>>15859575
>Porsche Unleashed marked an incline after a dip toward the arcade-y, things could still change.
A-anon, that game was released in BCY15.
e34e05 No.15860116
>>15857602
No, X6 and X7 are pretty bad.
c64ca3 No.15860153
>>15856558
I cast my vote for this. It makes me feel sad because of the untapped potential of the series, because it really nailed video game horror. And yet it is somehow fitting and very true to form that the series would end so tragically.
88a7e3 No.15862885
>>15856472
Mega Man disappearing for, like, a decade is absolutely nothing the yearly assfucking Sonic gets If anything Mighty No 9/11 is the raped franchise.
d41840 No.15863596
>>15860116
X6 and X7 can't even compare to shovelware or Action 52.
bba6f7 No.15863916
>>15862885
>Mighty no. 56%
>franchise
What did he mean by this?