/v/ - Video Games

Nominating Plum from Mario Golf. In the GBC Mario Golf, she was present at the golf dictionary, so enjoy reading through its entire list of golfing terms so that you can properly make golf metaphors throughout her matches.

Theme: https://invidio.us/watch?v=EhAVJc6yjnQ

Nominating Cursor-Chan

Personality: The girl responsible for all the technical stuff behind the curtains of 8chanmania. Harbors a mild dislike towards Default-Chan because she always is complaining about stuff when all she usually does is commentary.

Also holds a severe dislike towards "special" wrestlers like W.I.P.

Really just wants a Mania without fuckups.

If I nominate without an image, Serval will make it in for sure this time! Sugoi!

Nominating Brauggi the Frost Giant.

Bonzi Buddy is coming to 8chanmania!

For how he acts, he should be overly friendly, tell a lot of stupid pun jokes which he laughs at himself, and not so subtly try to trick the other fighters into giving him theircredit card information and personal details.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1264113083&searchtext=Bonzi

Billy Herrington

I nominate Super Mario

AKMET IS BACK AND HE IS FUCKING PISSED

Nominating: Thalamus from Death's Gambit'

Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsK816Zbkuo

Nominating Archaon the Everchosen.

NOMINATING THE DAHAKA FROM WARRIOR WITHIN

Time to DESPAIR

Gene from God Hand

Mileena from Mortal Kombat

Nominating Yuki from MySims

Basically she's just a small vampire loli that likes biting peoples faces. She likes anime and spooky things.

BOB from animal crossing

THIS TIME NOMMING THE PRINCE FROM WARRIOR WITHIN

Aya Brea

I'm just going to keep nominating your failed lore arcs until one goes through but for the love of god uninstall the fucking booking options/jobber list mod please, you told us a long time ago you'd never rig matches

NOMINATING A FUCKING DALEK

Nominating Sabin.

Bring back Bayou Billy, he had a good theme song.

NOMINATING A COMPUTER CURSOR

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO USE CURSOR-CHAN I CAN MAKE A CURSOR WRASSLER I THINK

>>15848898

Good nom.

RED MAGE

Commander Boreale

>>15848930

Last mania, I said Son of a Shepard, but now I'm leaning more towards Urban Ranger build.

What do you guys think?

>>15848882

Use this for his theme

>>15848887

STOP FUCKING NOMINATING CHARACTERS FROM YOUR SHIT GAME.

>>15848893

I need proof Rolf is from a game.

>>15849089

He isn't.

>>15848908

Fuckin. edgy fuck. goddamn it.

>>15849089

>>15849101

Even if you don't ignore the meme, it does not reach vidya status. It has only 4 games, and it needs more than 5

>>15848912

>implying

I really don't bubba, otherwise I wouldn't have any failed lore. Would I?

THE REAL FIGHTERS

PLUM

VECTORMAN

CURSOR-CHAN

SERVAL NV1

BRAUGGI

BONZAI BUDDY NV2

ANIKI NV3

HIGHER POWER NV4

MARIO

AKMET

THALAMUS

IMMUNITY DOG NV5

ARCHAON EVERCHOSEN NV6

DAHAKA

JUNKO

GENE

SPOOKY

ROBOCOP (IS NOW OFFICALLY VIDYA)

MILEENA

YUKI

DAIYOUSEI

JEVIL

BOB

KING HARLUS

BUDDY AND RANDO

WARRIOR WITHIN PRINCE

CITIZEN SNIPS

BIG RIG

AYA BREA

Sabin

Bayou Billy

Marina

>>15849135

>Bonzai Buddy

Bonzi, not Bonzai

>>15849139

Habit

>>15849109

Nah, it would just be painfully obvious if you did it that way but you're being clever. It's still really blatantly obvious to anyone who's worked with the booking mods before though

>>15849089

It's the Archaon from Warhammer Fantasy.

>>15849135

He has a 60% loss rate to Philemon, but here goes… https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TLPsCvuAr3M8lNAVRQsotrXQzC3W2GKe/view?usp=drivesdk

>>15849162

… and Spooky's Theme

>>15849152

But I wouldn't be forced to wing shit, like I did with wailmer, Realy i'm not into rigging matches I like the hype as much as the next person

>>15849267

Take the booking mods off man, it's for the better. I know you like to give matches some length too, but rather than modding and making shit weird, it might be time to tell the makers to tone down the fucking offense a tad for better pacing

>>15849295

anon, both wrestlers with custom parts and the mystery box got rapidly btfo, jbb got cucked out of dialogue mid match on his second round and never got to see meowth, shit like clown vs yuuka or red vs pikachu libre didn't even happen, mach rider died first round and alto is eternally dead, rita ran wild through the mania but didn't even make it to finale, and tetris didn't even get the belt.

give it a rest

>>15849414

Not until the booking mods are off

Even if that were your cover, not to kill the magic, but it is full of holes, and if any anon picks up the booking mods that come with the mod suite, plays with them for more than five minutes, you will understand what is being done to a) stall matches b) decide winners. Seriously, 2.9's do not occur except under a few specific circumstances, and nothing but CAWs with Guts as their special skill should ever hold off on tapping out at 0 spirit. Use the More Match Options -> Testing Options -> Health Display to see how things go. This will kill the mystery but then go to the booking mod, start a new match, and then pick a winner. Barring certain exploits, the winner will be unpinnable (2.9's) and won't tap out. Until cursor chan shows up like every time and bam, someone loses right then and there after as the boxes are changed. You got really sloppy this time dude.

>>15849463

but that wasn't even me. And cursor wouldn't even show up. if I was messing with mods because I have themod screen on my other monitor.

>>15849473

Gee TNA, how come you get to have 2 screens?

>>15849473

I've both laid out some basic testing methods for anons to discover this shit for themself, had the courtesy of at least spoilering this, and also know that you tell the creative club to back you in the thread when you feel threatened. Look, you got really sloppy this time, it's okay, it was still fun because of the culture in the first place and the social experience, but in terms of FPW and modding general it's getting less fun to watch than weekly soygoy eFed streams in terms of actual match quality and integrity.

>>15849512

The matches seem fair to me. I've tested the last month or so worth of fighters I've nom'd and made in a myriad of fights against eachother and other fighters from previous 8chanmanias. The matches are just as much of a tossup as they are in 8chanmania matches. The only differences are length of the fight and 2.9 occurrences are only a bit higher. If he wanted to rig anything he would certainly rig in favor of manageable lore, instead of seemingly random wins/losses.

>>15849564

Manias used to take less than 7 hours. I've provided the methods to test the differences yourself at this point. Fighters lasting so long in the red isn't possible without specific kinds of interference and we see exactly what these mods causing occurring. Why? He can tell us himself. But "easy lore" isn't really his concern based on how things are managed at this point. I don't want to make this about psychoanalysis, I'm saying on a game standpoint these are the mechanics, you can test what's going on and then understand it better and when you realize it's fixed, or even merely artificially prolonged it becomes less exciting

>>15849600

this mania took less than 7 hours, the stretch is mostly dialogue and not match time, the mods definitely influence match pacing but there's no evidence they favor one or the other. I just tried booking for 'long' without a favored winner or jobber and the results were pretty similar except for my most riced wrestlers

I would be in favor of no match modifying mods at all though so if that's what you want to advocate for, go for it, it seems easier to regulate what wrestlers are submitted in an honest way than to modify the game's mechanics in an honest way

>>15849463

I'm going to check this out, anon. Thanks for the insight.

Even if he's not rigging matches, I do feel like there's been way more interference this season and it feels much less organic. At the very least this will help me have more of an understanding of what goes on in these manias.

>>15849564

>length & 2.9s

A side effect of how Barmian Stamp is patched into a fair pin. The gist of it is that kickouts are effectively instantly acknowledged by the ref, so the zone for 2.9s is extended. The alternatives are to ban it or allow a pin that gets 3 counts from what would have been a 2.9 for any other pin, allowing it to completely ignore spirit.

>>15849614

>>15849626

bridging these two now that the explanation got posted:

I would be in favor of banning barmian stamp over using a mod it in this way, as breaking an entire mechanic seems more extreme than removing a particularly broken move from the pool.

making sure no one would use it will/would suck but at least that would fix some of the extra odd behavior

>>15849569

Why do you need to wear a mask when you could just kill them? Fuck, ended up killing the shop keeper and making things far worse for myself

>>15849614

vanilla is best

>>15849621

if you have any questions, or come up with anything, I'll be glad to dispense

>>15849626

this is not the way to deal with barmian stomp

Folks can substitute hip drop in either way, and people are not using the other "abusive" pins either right now. I'm far more in favor of just changing/banning stomp (like I said, hip drop is almost the exact same thing but without the spirit-ignoring bug.) a bug that affects one move severely (to the point bamiyan with exclusively the booking mod alone can beat a 2.9) should affect that move, not the entire match flow. I think I sound too punchy, sorry if this comes off dickish in particular, but I think this is a backwards way of solving it considering the adverse affects it has had. that said, this does not do things like cause Walkouts, which is how Beavis worked iirc, and we have seen that used. We have also seen matches that heavily suggest a jobber toggle considering the Heavy-damage behavior out of the gate and 2.9's in under 2 minutes with fighters that do not have Finisher skills selected.

>>15849653

I'm keeping the No Size Modifiers though.

That's for Aesthetic reasons.

>>15849653

>Masked Man?

What did the modlist mean by this?

>>15849653

Without knowing what these do exactly, it just reads like a lot of text. It might be wise to explain these things.

>>15849655

**That seems fair pending it eliminates counter rate changes, breath usage changes, on top of the stat changes. Early season 1 was swollen point totals and giant size characters raping everything, then Giant Skill type.

One thing still completely untouched too is how some folks exhibit Guts+ tendencies after being held for ages repeatedly in different holds, signature or otherwise, whereas in certain instances, about 3 times today, the normal guts tapout occurred just fine.**

>>15849669

Man look I don't know, again it's fine.

Just trust that if I was rigging we'd be having a lot more upsets than what we've been having.

We're gonna do vanilla for a while with only special effects mods for now. And see how this shit goes.

>>15849653

Even the Barmian Stamp?

>>15849677

Personal suggestion: Barmian Stomp changed to Hip Drop, which basically ends the same exact way without the bug that makes it ignore spirit.

>>15849677

yeah even the barmian stomp taking it all out.

That doesn't mean I won't do 800% test manias and if note the winners and balance accordingly, but i'll make a change log for you guys

>>15849681

Noted and will do.

>>15849688

Right but I can't handle people accusing me of rigging shit. it drives me nuts, but fuck it.

If you want to keep the mania the way it is (you) me a gondola

If you want to go back to Vanilla with SFX (you) me an animu

>>15849719

It's not even accusations, it's an accusation. Singular. It's only one mega sperg going on about it.

>>15849688

This is less a "everything is fucked" as it is a "it could be better." The difference is that as we have a ton of makers there's a big gap in methodology, testing, intent that the logic for balancing becomes "mod it out" before "consult dudes and get the creators solving their own problems." This shouldn't fundamentally change the mania, and if it does, then that indicates that it was fundamentally fixed beforehand, for OR against TNA, and/OR creators

At the very least, an argument for some transparency should only be a good thing. There's a reason I tried to keep the above posting spoiled as much as possible. We came a long way since season 1 in many strides, but in some I think we have looped around to the point of adding too much weight and its causing us drag.

>>15849693

I don't have any gondolas on hand, but it's fucking retarded to make huge balance changes just because one autist kept complaining.

>>15849733

this isn't "huge balance changes because one autist kept sperging," this is "there have been major balance changes this whole time but no patch notes"

>>15849712

this is more polite, english is second to me, I sound good sometimes but maybe I can clear something confusing up for you i do a lot of run ons

>>15849732

Your suggestions are making TNA consider dumping every balance mod, if you just wanted him to be more transparent than you could have said so instead of suggesting that he's rigging the game.

>>15849732

I…actually agree with that.

Like I said, Im not so up my own ass that I'm pissed off at you. I understand you were just trying to help and werent trying to go.on the attack.

I do think we are getting a bit heavy. Especially after there was no real special effects and this was arguably the best one thus far.

>>15849742

this in general, this is why I posted in the first place

the best case to me seems to be "no barmian stomp mod, swap barmian stomps to hip drops, keep everything else"

I'm gonna run a couple of 8 man test tournaments tomorrow.

I want to see what happens if I disable some of these mods and I'll post the ones I keep.

>>15849768

try enabling some of the other mods too, see if we can't spice things up a bit

limb damage conversion, reworked reversals, and restholds sound really appealing

>>15849742

Without having information revealed, some formerly heavily concealed, and a lot of curtain, that's the logical conclusion. Nothing was Roman Reigns tier besides Sans so far anyways, but off/odd behavior. If this is all true and we get some clarity and some cleanup then this is positive for all

There's lots of things wrong with the game in vanilla. Hilariously, Clown is made of a pile of them, whether intentional or not:

Leaping Facebuster hits 2x, one for initial contact, one for impact, making it a 48 damage standing attack

Barmian Stomp ignores spirit so far as pins goes and is wired in a way that even beats the Booking Mod

those two Clown has

Styles Clash pin ignores spirit but will not beat the booking mod

who made Clown?

Anyways, Giant Size gives +2 to all stats in exchange for small breathing nerf which is ridiculously good,

Giant, when both Attack and Return style, gains a universal super high counter rate that makes it hard to punish without standing moves

Reborn is just ridiculous in most context, requiring a super high power move before pin AND making tapouts complete RNG AND nerfing crit rates, making it absolutely busted and not good

>>15849775

>who made clown

Qwark.

ALSO all this knowledge. What fighters do you make

>>15849798

All of the ones I haven't gotten to nominate yet

I will keep renominating randoms that I like to see if story happens before I give CAWs to the mania, at least so far as s2 goes. Plenty of new people giving new fighters. I make OCs and play with them a lot more than canon/mania CAWs

>>15849826

I see okay I was just curious

>>15849852

What makes this snibs different from other snibs?

Before the anti Q force gets here, the above info was incorrect : Clown has leaping cutter

yes it's the one that hits 2x, but just trying to make it clear that Facebuster is fine, Cutter is OP

>>15849852

Distant relative of Rhyperior

not sure why, but this made me smile

>>15849858

what did you mean by this

There is only one (1) true Citizen Snips

>>15849916

Like what is special about him

>>15849966

HOWEVER

the move that does this is Acupressure, a move that boosts a random stat by 2, so it's a complete roll of the dice whether he gets powerful or not-so-powerful

>>15849988

all roads lead to full power though. it's just a matter if he can be killed before he seals his victory.

>>15849799

SLEEP TIGHT VINCE

>>15850315

To add to this, I used to think that TNA would rig a few fights. That is until my fighters actually started performing well and I realized that I just had the world's shittiest luck regarding crits for a while. I decided to stop making 2-move cheese spam wonders and focus on making cool or weird movesets. It's easy to think that you're getting rigged against when you have the following present:

>the context of pro wrestling, which is famous for being rigged

>a game with a lot of inscrutable mechanics and mods that can change stuff mid-match

>bad luck (which can beat anything through just grapple-win RNG, not counting AI RNG or crit factors) and negative thinking leading to confirmation bias

Consider that TNA's lore has been fucked several times by anticlimactic wins. If he really was rigging, then this would be a very infrequent occurrence. I can only surmise that he really doesn't rig mid-match and only goes as far as to nerf wrestlers that are pure cheese, like Nidorina in the last season finals or Alto in this mania. This post >>15849775 details exactly why going back to vanilla would be a terrible idea and why prohibitions or further mods wouldn't be bad

It might be possible to limit the stamp patch kickout change to just stamp if i can check the move in use from where it does its thing. It would make it weaker than other pins, essentially a soft ban, but it is a ban that does not need active enforcement.

The current implementation is fair to all pins and worked well enough at first glance. A lot of the mods (custom entrances, pyro & other SFX, asymmetric limbs, tournament managers, mid-match mat swap, etc.) are all coming from the same limited development time.

>>15849662

Meme/testing option, the only surviving one from when it was 'SizeModifiers.dll' and included others like 'Manlet Uprising' (small size stupidly powerful on purpose).

>>15849674

Sure:

'No Size Modifiers': all damage modifiers from relative size and breathing modifiers from size set to x1.

'Barmian Stamp Fix' was already covered but i can explain in more detail if anyone cares.

'MMA/ENT Move Balancing': Kneeing people in the head while they are down is broken strong normally, so nerfed. MMA-grapple submissions capped to 3 hp/sp otherwise unchanged. ENT submissions had a point shaved from SP damage, still strong but not as overwhelming. Overall goal of reducing 'you need to know about this or you will lose to it a lot' stuff in the game without outright gutting anything.

'No Damage Carryover in Tournaments': pretty obvious, every match starts fresh. Normally you carry over damage, then heal ~60% of each bar.

'Balance Reversals': Upgrades size female to use size small reversal tables. Small size being better at nimble reversals and big sizes at power reversals is flavorful and intuitive enough to leave in. But you could do

'Medium Reversals': and make everyone use the medium table.

'Giant Rework': Some changes to Giant style to change it from 'no wrestling allowed' to a Power variant. The overall reversal rates are borrowed from power style, power & arm moves get a better affinity than vanilla Giant, immovability is done as a high irish whip reverse rate and it now reacts to bleed the same as Grappler or Vicious*.

'Leaping Luchadores': extended jump range for Luchador style. Not sure if CPU actually knows to use it.

'Back/Aval. Active Counter Drop': A chance to ignore the input for the active counter for back grapples and avalanche moves. The selected option is up to 60%, of which 35% is health, 20% is breathing and 45% is spirit. Means that softening up the opponent makes those moves more reliable.

'Reduced/Increased Damage': uses the same table as 'No Size Modifiers' but set to .9, .8, 1.1, etc. instead. Accounts for Hardbody so the threshold stays the same.

>>15849775

>Giant Size gives +2 to all stats

No, just a damage multiplier from a table, +-4% (bigger deals more and takes less) per category of difference. Just 2 categories is an uphill battle

>universal super high counter

If only it was universal, that could have been solved really early with a different points total or other rules. But it actually gets the reversal rates from using special rate tables for certain counter groups. For example you could do Drop Toe Hold freely but Leg Spin is reversed consistently. Likewise most DDTs are fine but ones that hook the arms are grouped with suplexes and get blanked by vanilla Giant/Giant. The initial balancing mod for giants tackled this be reducing the overall reversal modifier but as a result left them horrible open to a lot of moves, hence the more detailed rework. In theory, any style could be redone into something very different, but the goal was to keep existing giants usable with the rework.

>Reborn

You have to support it to some degree to get full mileage and even then it will still fall to a Finisher skill used-as-intended. But it will stonewall opponents that are not equipped to overcome it whereas otherwise they might always get lucky. It would be possible to change what skills it combines so it no longer provides both Guts and Hardbody.

>moves with odd properties

I will look into these. Both the clash pin issue and the double-dip damage sound fixable.

*most styles lose spirit when busted open. Fighter & Shooter lose extra. Grappler & Vicious gain some, Mysterious some more and Heel the most.

>>15850315

>>15850315

>that webm

What is the track called? I can't seem to find it and I don't recall where exactly it plays.

>>15849713

What's the healthbar mod in that webm?

>>15850398

Autumn Voyage. It played a little north of Lumbridge.

>>15849774

>>15849799

Limb Damage Conversion: normally when you deal damage to any empty health bar you deal bonus spirit damage based off the health damage you dealt. So a suplex or a lariat to a broken neck would do extra spirit damage. However just emptying out the base health bar is enough to get you that damage conversion, so limb work gets no extra rewards. The option makes limb damage to a busted limb deal bonus spirit damage based off the limb damage dealt. Bit of a prototype option that likely needs testing and fine-tuning before being fully fair and balanced.

'Restholds': the base option is the same 'non-finisher/signature holds cannot submit' that you could also get from the zilla suite. The implementation is different* and works as-is in 2.0. The sub-options for it add two other conditions for allowing a tap out: "attacker has Submission Critical" and "the move is dealing damage to a busted limb".

Reversals was already covered.

Holy shit did I doze off hard. I guess not nominating someone I made gives me more time to do other things like make Deviljho for MFW, so I guess I can't complain. Anyway, for those who wanted to try out the Alto I made before she was nerfed, she is at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M5QCR8xoLpGgqLi8X9Xm_jiK4_ML6to-/view?usp=drivesdk

I'll need to update her between now and the next time I can nominate her as her Priority Attacks are a mess right now and the eye rake into cutter failed miserably. TNA, if you want me to change stuff on my end, let me know.

>>15850454

It is a rather niche series. I found out about it from my uncle having the GBA game because he was a huge wrestling fan, but I didn't pay much attention to it until I saw that it was on Early Access for a while before being a full game.

>>15850785

No this anon isnt, he was just voicing genuine concern.

>>15850454

Despite existing in various countries, wrestling still isn't that popular which is normal given that is barely a sport, and scripted. So a wrestling vidya will only get so far before dying. Still we can have a lot of fun.

But yeah, some moves i kinda assume their repercutions. Think of Armbreaker Combination or any drop from the post: i bet you there will be some damage for the attacker as well in most cases.

>>15850739

Pretty sure Capt Falcon said mute city and that they'd raced

See things like a big nerf/cap to submissions is directly impacting balance. The risks associated with reversals is usually what makes the moves balanced out. That said, base face down / face up opponent crown knew kick is outright supreme and therefore gay. Me? I like the ideas behind a lot of those mods, and think in the future the implementation of some is appropriate. You say the damage modifiers Are suppose to affect hardbody threshold all the same?

>>15850379

It would be nice if the numbers were made available. Most info is from aged sources from back in returns days. People didn't believe when I said "now slotting a move higher makes it more powerful" before. There's bad documentation and sounds like you have looked deeply into this in ways that advance understanding of Fire Pro and should be published.

In game data has some kind of weird numbers for reversal type and reversal data but no real translation into what becomes more counterable, by what style, or anything, and the more we know the more detailed and elaborate character behaviors can become i think

>>15850454

Game has always been super intense deep but piss poor documented and with lots of false info everywhere, and sometimes systems changes that people don't see before they occur from generation to generation

i nominate myself

>>15850936

Better to keep some inner working of the game in the dark, or we will all end up as wrestling munchkins, each with our super adjusted, NO FUN fighters that can end the fight in a second.

Better focus on modeling and bizarre, entertaining moves than in effective killers.

>>15848895

Dahaka's theme, with or without lyrics is your call. He's not very talkative, but he likes to just stare at you as he chases you down to even hell itself.

>>15850966

Ultimately TNA+creative can do their balancing pass how they see fit, and there should be responsibility in creators to make fun fighters not good ones

that's a point that kills many eFeds alone

>>15849693

>>15849653

>Leaping luchadores

What's the purpose of that one ? Make Junior/Luchador/Panther/Mysterious wrestlers do more dives to the outside ?

>>15849852

SNIBBEDI SNAB :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>15850912

In Guard position, there are both Hold Neck Lock (2hp, 3sp) and Reverse Hanging Punches (4hp, 6sp). With the mod you would have a roughly even field of 2-3, 3-2, 3-3 submissions. There are no auto-counters in MMA positions, so both the risks and the rewards were toned down the same. Single-hit moves are unchanged, as there isn't as big a relative power gap as there was between submissions and i did not want to shuffle them around on just my own judgement.

Outside of the MMA states, only the standout submissions got toned down:

Back Roll Cross Armbreaker (from 4hp 3sp to 3hp 2sp)

Chair (from 5sp 3bp to 1hp, 3sp, 2bp)

Nightmare (from 1hp 4sp 2bp to 4sp 2bp)

Lip Lock (from 1hp 4sp 3bp to 1hp 3sp 5bp)

Mandible Claw (from 1hp 4sp 3bp to 1hp 3sp 3bp)

Testicular Claw (from 3hp 4sp 1bp to 2hp 3sp 1bp)

Additionally, Leg Tackles reduced to 6hp 4sp for standing & front grapple and 7hp 5sp for running, to bring them more in line with other state change moves (leg tackle is 7hp 10sp & 9hp 12sp in vanilla, for comparison solid hp moves in small are 10hp 1sp)

Tights Piledriver down to 12sp from 15sp. Still

better than its peers by x1.2 to x2 depending on move, but closer to where the lesser hp damage and niche stat add up to a fair trade.

Kagi Fusha to 30hp from 35hp. Since it also does 10sp, being the best or near-best at both was a bit questionable. It is the kind of flippy flashy move that should be used because it is flippy & flashy, not because it provides the best deal in all-around damage.

All 3 opponent down 'free damage' knees are currently at 1hp 1sp, no more strike crit, can't submit. Not very accurate from a simulator perspective but i don't think anybody will really miss them being good.

The above are open to change and other changes can be added (ex. Finisher Crit support to moves that should have it but don't), just make a good case for it.

Hardbody cares about LastDamage, the latest amount of health damage received. If just a damage modifier was applied it would make Hardbody better/worse since it changes how much/little is needed to cross the threshold. So what those options do is multiply damage by ex. 0.9 and when the move deals health damage they correct it by dividing the LastDamage value with the same modifier. So no matter what damage scale is in use, the LastDamage values are the same as under x1. Ukemi also uses LastDamage to determine how much you get. This uses the actual modified damage value as it is done during damage calculation while the correction happens at the end of that. This is fine since you should get ukemi in proportion to the damage you actually sold so it works the same with all scalings.

>>15850936

'Promoting' moves like that does give a damage boost to front grapples, x1.2 for one step and x1.5 for Small-to-Big. Back Grapples get nothing and the rest have x1.1 & x1.2 for promotion bonus, but what counts as what size is a bit fuzzy. >>15850966 has a point about potentially causing unwanted standardization if it is all spelled out but stuff like how the attack/return styles gel up in terms of reversal modifier should be fine.

>>15851163

Dive distance boost for Luchas only, since they are kind of Junior– in terms of stats. Have not checked if CPU actually uses it to measure whether to dive or not though, so it might be do-nothing outside of player control.

>>15851199

there are no auto-counters, but the CPU's willingness to counter in MMA mounts is what determines the success. That said, you kept airplane spin with its large spirit damage but inability to cause a tapout, right? That was the advantage to a guard position airplane spin - it has huge spirit loss but cannot actually cause a tap

one of the subtle but huge things is if I'm reading your avalanche counter and back counter changes, they make them a lot more appealing than they are in vanilla because of how the CPU stonewalls these at higher CPU levels

>>15851199

>Clown has been nerfed to the ground for a while now

That explains a lot

>>15851199

The problem is why not just go for the normal ground moves that do about as much as MMA holds at that point and not risk another RNG counter check

this kind of makes them pointless, you can get the same amount of damage from nearly any stretch except without the brutal punishment of MMA counters, I don't like the idea of nerfing them to normal on the ground moves, they should be a shave above that even if equal among themselves

but I see what you were trying to do

So I can keep the fucking balance mods on.

right

>>15850379

>The current implementation is fair to all pins and worked well enough at first glance.

the way behavior seems to have changed in practice is that moves that would be 3 are 2.9s because of the larger window, particularly finishers that aren't amped up and don't push it over the age

this may not be the case, but it would explain why excessively tweaked beatdown wrestlers that do nonstop prio-pins beat excessively tweaked heavy hitting wrestlers that use finishers to win in the mania reliably while it seems to go the other way in vanilla

>>15850412

it's part of the more match options debug mod

>>15850429

>the move is dealing damage to a busted limb

this sounds pretty neat in general and would make ground wrestlers not god-awful, but it seems like it'd be a defacto win condition without some sort of moderating force, maybe a tap out rate of 100-avg(hp,sp) with a min of 33%?\

>>15851342

No

Yes

>>15851230

The issue with MMA lacking auto-counters is that high-reward moves are not inherently balanced by high-risk counters. If your opponent is on Drop Toe Hold counter then Pin Down and the followups are practically free. Personally i do not see a big difference between working a 3-6 Giant Swing and finishing with whatever and just using a regular 3-6 hold start-to-finish, so it too is currently 3-3. Since part of the point is to make MMA not muck up the pacing for wrasslin' too much with excess spirit damage, i would rather give the move some gimmick (ex. solid leg & back damage or big breath damage to simulate nausea) than high spirit damage.

The back/avalanche counter chance reduction was requested on the now-gone firepro arena site. I figured it would be doable and so it was. With the option TNA has in use, the reversal chance is normal with all 3 bars full and can go as low as 40% with all 3 empty. The most extreme drop option goes down to just 5% left to reverse and the least goes down to 80%.

Adding new variations would be simple enough.

>>15851315

Is x1.5 of top ground holds not a shave above though? Standard submissions are in the 2-2, 1-3, 3-1 range. MMA holds also got to keep limb & breathing damage as it was. If the submission damage numbers had a larger range normally it would be much easier to get to a good spot for MMA holds but we have to work with some very rough numbers. 1-4 or 2-4 holds could be an option though.

>>15851345

Like i said, worked well enough at first glance. It is getting fine-tuned in some way, either adding a standard x frames of delay to all pins so it all works roughly as normal or trying to limit it to just problem pins (Stamp, possibly Styles Clash if it is bugged too).

On limb work, the conversion option just helps drain spirit, you still need to empty that for the tap. My main concern with it is single-hit moves with big incidental limb damage getting an unneeded boost.

>>15851342

Yes. By the way, currently how many new edits have to be made?

>>15851425

I'll look later on spending the day with wife.

we are getting dog cremated, it's a pretty sad day

>>15851407

What is it exactly also that is preventing tap-outs at 0 spirit that's going on? We have the pin fix wonking pins unpredictably, but why don't wrasslers tap out reliably?

>>15851342

the barmian stomp fix should probably go until the unintended behavior stops, but statistical tweaking, so long as its made public is okay so far as elaborated,

also I really like the idea of avalanche counters not being so damn reliable so reducing that is a good thing in my eyes, I have hesitated to design anything with a focus on corners because avalanche moves are more hurt than they are worth many times

>>15851432

Sad to hear. May you and your partner weather through it.

>>15851494

That tap out thing.

We dont know.

The fucking game has a mind of it's own and the creator of the mod will attest it confuses the fuck out of me. You'll have people who have fucking stardom who will not fucking tap out.

>>15851494

My best guess is that the instant kickout is also extending the 2 zone, causing fewer late kickouts to cost spirit. So despite being late in the match nobody is actually running empty yet. Would need to to check with health bars to be sure.

Making the stamp patch only affect stamp pins looks to be possible.

Will Teagan ever be forced into commentating alongside Cirno?

>>15851432

>planning LORE and screaming "i can't believe they think i'm rigging this shit!" in the middle of the cremation

Jokes aside, i'm very sorry for both of you host. May your doggo happily hunts birbs in canine heaven.

>>15851660

He was in the second Mania (and I think some more than that, but only some manias of Season 1 have documentation as nobody bothered to write down all the stuff and only some videos for it still exist).

Balancing Mod:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zp97IOZn6OcZ-yYnjTEUfnkUZom84zZi/view

- stamp patch should only affect stamp

- a couple of new options compared to TNA's current one:

an option to boost Luchador/Luchador reversal rates

an option to limit how many times (currently 6) a finisher gets the full finisher bonuses* before being downgraded to signature bonuses.

Try it out and let me know if it still feels off.

*+2 parameters, ~1k spirit recovery (same as a taunt), Crit check (if supported by move), extended stay down/pinned duration (1 vs 13/16 duration), higher health-damage-to-spirit-damage conversion cap (x4)

>>15851756

There is also MiscTrinkets which has a couple of fun toys (the automatic slow motion on crit, ability to use taunts to self-inflict bleed or pull a weapon from nowhere). Unfortunately it did not go to the match in 1.02 when i had all options on, so i need to figure out what is broken before sharing that.

Turns out landmines are picky about which version (1.02 or 2.0) of the base game code you referenced while building the mod. Exact same code but that one option only works for one version at a time.

In this build everything should work in 1.02 and everything but landmines should still be good for 2.0:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WmcA05aogbfpzYTLVgP2EvVDs-vMIvix

>>15851750

>>15851857

So wait, which one do we install?

And sorry, but what were the landmines? The explosions at the borders of the ring?

>>15851880

Two separate mods with their own selection of options. The names are fairly descriptive. You can use both. Balancing is the one TNA posted a screencap of the list of options. MiscTrinkets does stuff that either does not impact balance or does so in ways that are not balanced.

I guess i could have been clearer.

This is the balancing mod:

>>15851750

Barmian Stamp patch, size modifier negation, etc.

And this the misc trinkets mod:

>>15851857

Allows for stuff like Nightmare always being a stomp attack, self-inflicted bleeding from a taunt, pulling out weapons with a taunt, etc.

>>15851880

Landmines are the mine boards that you get around the ring in a death match, except you can now have them in any 'No DQ' match. Should work even in tournaments. They explode but i could not get the barbed wire to work due to access levels.

>>15851787

>Self-inflicted bleeding

Good

>>15851996

Ok, thank you very much for the info

>self inflicted bleeding

>>15849653

This is the equivalent of requiring a furfag wrastler in every fight because we have one furfag who watches the matches. If you remove these the whole fucking mania will be over in under an hour. Although removing "No Damage Carryover in Tournaments" sounds rather intriguing for that realistic feel. A fighter just got done fighting an epic battle to the death that went on for 20 minutes and then is able to do the same in the next fight is a tad odd. I can see why it's enabled, obviously, for fairness sake because one champ might have fought tougher opponents to get to the finale while the other guy fought pushovers. It would make more sense if there was some sort of bonus to fighting and beating tougher opponents vs weaklings.

Someone needs to nominate This fuck again.

>>15853297

get rid of the arms, legs, and waist. I'd say the chest too, but I'm guessing you want to show it's a girl, so I'd keep it and use either one of the vanilla bras or the busty mod part bra.

by the way, if anyone wants that big tit part, you can get it here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ssxPPubx-VFw4EzMVF7m4AMGESBg9SV/view?usp=drivesdk

TNA uses it too, so you can put it on wrestlers and submit them effectively.

>>15852690

It never took under an hour, not even from very start, it won't now, and there were long matches before under circumstances

>>15853297

>>15853339

Your doing good mate.

Leave only one leg, make it slimmer on the middle and leave the cone on the head, or better yet, looks for some asymetrical haircut.

Personally i wouldn't put it tits, your call. I do recognize that female body is smaller than manlet one.

Advice from the tetrismaker

Do coaches need moveset and logic as well? If not, Rando is done

>>15853297

uh…

I appreciate all the time you put into this

But I was just going to make a torso piece with a cursor

>>15853670

Coaches are just pretty decoration.

>>15853739

Go ahead then, it'd be a hell of a lot more accurate considering the joke behind Cursor-Chan.

>>15853740

Alright, thanks.

Dusty "Rando" Armstrong uploaded

>>15853297

Why does it have arms and legs? just make the head bigger and make it do all kinds of spear attacks and headbutts

>>15849089

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed,_Edd_n_Eddy#Video_games

>>15854282

Too late for that anon, Rolf isn't in.

>>15854604

>only four have been produced

we're one short, and we can't fix it quickly since flash games don't count.

Too bad the wiki doesn't mention Ed, Edd n Eddy Online. Do MMOs even count?

Interesting thought. Is Scott pilgrim vidya

>>15855387

Ok.

Pokemania.

Yes or no?

>>15856213

Is that you TNA? Are you phoneposting?

>>15856227

Yes I'm phone posting.

sick with a fever of 101, shit sucks but the show must go on

>>15856234

Just wanted to make sure, and yes for the pokemania. On a side note, it's really up to you to decide whether or not Scott Pilgrim is vidya.

>>15856240

It was me asking. I didnt know what people wanted to think but as I thought about it, i figured more people know Scott from the movie.

Sucks because I could have had a lot of fun with it

>>15856213

What would be in a pokemania?

Just Pokemon or are Pokemon human characters included? Will the anime characters be considered not-vidya for it?

Would touhou puppet dance count :^)

>>15856249

I think more people will know Scott from the comic then the movie, but either way, he can still be nominated as non vidya.

>>15856250

Pokemania is 32 pokemon but the nominator has to pick a trainer to do the bantz.

Example:

Mike Pence has an electabuzz

Default-Chan uses a garbordor

Mozart uses Chatot

Goro uses a Machamp*

Stuff like that

>>15856267

Does the non vidya limit still apply for the trainers?

>>15856273

Well no because they wont be fighting.

Pokemania will have no nonvidya wrestlers

>>15856298

That'd be possible, if she hadn't already won.

>>15856308

You idiot.

Why would it not be possible still?

>>15856317

THE FOLLOWING IS BARRED FROM ENTRY:

Bury Pink Girl

Jason Vorhees

Madara Uchihara

Mr. Shake Hands Man

Teagan Almace

>CIRNO

Sans

Wailmer

>>15856308

>>15856317

It depends if it's the pokemon or the trainer that wins the belt.

>>15856317

Oh wait, I forgot, Cirno doesn't actually wrestle, so she won't win a belt, disregard everything I said.

>>15856333

The pokemon is the wrestler so the pokemon would win the belt

>>15856298

It'd be fun to see Cirno again, she'd probably believe that she could win a second belt.

>>15856350

That's why you can nom trainers anon, with no non vidya limit.

>>15856350

Please read

>>15856267

>>15856359

>>15856352

Please bully, I have the dumbs.

>>15856213

>>15856267

So this is settled as next? Or next is ChristmasMania?

It'll go like this

9 - normal

10 - Christmas

11 - Tag

12 - 14 normal

15 - bancho

>>15856870

>15

>bancho

Did… did you just spoiled yourself?

Updated the mod (link in >>15851750 remains the place to get it) to fix Appeal Body Buster pin and double-dipping Leaping Cutter damage.

The buster pin patch is included in the stamp patch as the same tech worked for it. It was also a case of the kickout animation being too slow to release the pin state in time for 2.9. The internal name of the option changed so you need to enable it again when patching, simply replacing the mod with a new version will leave it off.

Leaping Cutter patch works by using a boolean array, one value per wrestler (to the normal max of 8). On the first damage frame (the grab) the boolean is toggled on and damage calculation is exited before it does anything. On the second (the impact) the boolean is toggled off and damage happens as normal. If the cutter was interrupted before the impact, then no damage is dealt and the boolean remains on. However all that means is that for the interrupted wrestler the damage of their next cutter is dealt on the grab and not on the impact. So even if it is disrupted, there will always be 1 instance of damage per fully completed Cutter, it will simply be at a different frame.

>>15853597

Good point, i was primarily thinking about the main animation and not the substitute. Switched it to 1hp 3sp 3bp.

I have not looked much into custom moves but it should be possible to use the assets for Nightmare to create a separate stomping version as a custom move with different stats.

>>15856213

no

>>15857022

No Bancho mania has always been 15

>>15853836

>>15848907

Kinda late, but then please make Buddy use the Rando Mask, and switch to the Joy Mask when near death

>>15856870

Yeah, and past those ones:

20- Tagteam

24- 90's

25- Heelmania

29- Second Chance

30- Females Only

31- Tagteam

32- Final Chance

From what you asked us to save.

>>15857201

>>15857712

We can fit a pokemania in there somewhere

Did we ever get the needs to be made list?

>>15857932

no because i'm really fucking sick.

I'll get to it tonight or tomorrow if you want to jump the gun just look in the workshop. I'm sorry guys really

>>15858221

It’s alright TNA, that sickness will hopefully pass soon.

>>15858577

I was worried about this.

Okay

let me look

VECTORMAN - CLAIMED

CURSOR-CHAN - CLAIMED

BONZI BUDDY

THALAMUS

IMMUNITY DOG (I think he's uploaded)

Archaon

Dahka

Yuki

Daiyousei

Jevil

>>15858616

Do you have the edgy Prince of Persia from Warrior Within? Otherwise he's also missing. In the workshop we only have from The Two Thrones

>>15858630

Eh it's a simple costume swap I can manage that much

>>15857712

>20- Tagteam

>not 22

dubs for dubs battles

>>15858641

>I will do her now

Lewd

In any case, don't worry, se actually IS in the workshop after all. (Might need to control her stat points, i can't)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1506570736

I comitted the same mistake i warned to TNA: looking in the workshop writing in japanese for this characters, just in case.

>>15858689

Download the workshop, and then fix her appearance?

>>15858689

>hideous

Appropiate, as 2hu in general is shit

As you wish, try to get ir better.

>>15858616

Bonzi is made, he included a workshop link: >>15848882

>>15858813

Thingamajig with custom part.

Qhen I'm not fucking dying

>>15859195

It's… it's a goddamn abomination but beautiful…

I got Immunity Dog in.

>>15858616

So you already have Plum after all?

>>15858616

Archaon is being worked on >>15857878

>>15859938

I'm sorry no I don't have plum, I am like really REALLY sick and trying to work through it.

I am still needing Plum

>>15861366

So in light of this post, I gotta ask. When I make fighters should I be concentrating on presentation over actual workability? Every guide I've read since I started making fighters says that parameters don't mean shit, except for wrestling and return style and that CPU logic built around the wrestling and return styles determines fights in the end. So should I be concentrating more on presenting fighters with relevant parameters or actually winning fights?

>>15861640

It all depends on the fighter you're making, and how do you imagine its behaviour inside the ring (besides having a personality to begin with, like in most cases here).

We all want to be winners, make great CRITs and win that belt, and stats ultimately matter, but whether your fighter is flashy or flyer or a quiet no-fun assasin is up to you.

In most guides (i got one by Denizen and Carzilla) it's one of the first things to look at and to build your stats/moveset/logic by.

Which one are you making? need advice?

>>15861640

Present fighters with how they're relevant. If they're shit at punches, make them shit at punches. If they're a legendary/decent kicker, make it that way. In a sense, make them shine the way they're meant to shine and shit at stuff they're meant to be shit at. TNA does balancing anyway and will fuck your logic if your character does some actual, real bullshit like just spamming a couple of moves.

If it's characters that normally don't fight though, try to make their moveset a lot like their personality.

As far as workability goes, however, you can make just about anyone work fine with the proper CPU logic, especially since every fighter is around the same amount of edit points (180).

>>15861640

What you should be doing. Is trying to make the character and give it traits that they would ACTUALLY have.

You make a character who just wants to win, I'll rip out random parts of the logic until it's basically useless. Or replace it's entire logic and moveset with something I feel would be closer to the characters presented.

>>15861640

What you should be doing. Is trying to make the character and give it traits that they would ACTUALLY have.

You make a character who just wants to win, I'll rip out random parts of the logic until it's basically useless. Or replace it's entire logic and moveset with something I feel would be closer to the characters presented.

>>15861901

So that’s what you do when you get OP characters.

>>15861944

>I had pin at 30%

>Why does my wrestler pin too much?

10% is about the most you should ever have pin at unless you're really trying to recreate the Pinemon phenomenon. Wrestlers are supposed to do leg drops and other pro wrestling things. "Large damage" is still quite far from "pinnable" unless you're using the Barmian Stamp in its most broken form.

That "pick opponent up" at critical % really should be "taunt and wait for your opponent to get up so that you can do your finisher", but that sadly isn't in the game.

Is there a way to make a wrestler want to leave the ring to grab a weapon and come back? I want to remake edea to always have the kendo stick as much as possible

>>15861986

You go to "Opponent outside the ring" and put a few amounts of % on "leave ring", then go to Weapons, which is near Touchwork and set it to about 30%, 30% and above should be reserved for ECW-tier wrestlers

>>15861986

I think there is only logic for this if you first knock your opponent out of the ring, or you get knocked out of the ring.

>>15861922

So given what's said in >>15861973 could you change Spooky's chance to pin to 10%, or do you just want me to make the changes and re-upload?

What fighters do we still need anyway? Aside from Plum?

>>15862014

See: >>15858616 minus Bonzi and Archaon

>>15861986

They can't just leave the ring while their opponent is still there so you need to give her lifting moves like brainbusters that can throw the opponent out of the ring, a decent weapon use % to make her get a weapon and a low return count % to get the most out of it. High showmanship % also makes wrestlers able to irish whip their opponent out of the ring sometimes.

I think low discretion % also makes wrestlers drag opponents towards the ropes with the headlock, which helps with throwing them out but I'm not certain if that's what controls it or something else.

>>15861986

You can use moves like Face Cut to move the fight to the bottom corner or Knee Stamp (arm/leg) to move it to the upper corner, then toss the opponent out with a Front Suplex or similar move. You can now follow and go get your stick.

Most moves shuffle the fight towards the bottom corner so it is easier to force an exit with Face Cut, but for the same reason more modest use of Knee Stamps can also help keep things centered later in the match.

>>15862128

Yea, I didn't really understand large damage at the time, I thought it was further along that it actually is.

>>15862326

Daiyousei is uploaded

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yM4ikRvFjxVSzof5zVK-tue0OtYAri_x/view?usp=drivesdk

>>15862705

While Holy Mackerel Rolf relies on luck to stun lock enemies, it's vastly superior to Many Doors.

>>15862128

>Closest thing to that is to put Taunt at 100% when down, then hope the next move it's the finisher

You can sort of do it if you set you finisher to be a running move or done on a downed opponent, but then your finisher is a down/running move that your guy will do a lot if he's near the default AI and not very exciting. So then you've got to set it up with a priority so that it's reserved to only do at high damage, but that means you're missing out on variety through the rest of the match.

I'll probably experiment with it. Some down moves do really high damage and might work as a finisher, but the game relies on people playing fair and not just using moves like that all the time. It can be hard to set up in a way that's fair and satisfying.

>>15862841

>>15862705

>expecting AI to operate anything at the level a human can

If 8chmania was controlled by anons, then I'd try to gitgud at Many Doors, but since it's AI, I think Urban Ranger has the kind of stamina to not get gassed and take the belt when the opponent has no more spirit. Simple is best when it's not in your hands.

TOO BAD HE DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT THIS TIME

>All this discussion of fighter creation but nobody is claiming anyone

Wew

>>15862957

I don't know the first thing about what any of the unclaimed wrastlers even look like… let alone how to properly convey them in the game. I'll just stick to my noms.

Have you tested which mod seems to be making submissions wonky?

>>15862983

Then do some simple fucking research. They don't need to be perfect.

if nominations are not created they will be REPLACED by

a fuckimg plant

Actually I lied if people arent in by saturday then I will just do something like randomly fill in spots

>>15863867

>>15864102

It's basically the same. Piranha Plant ftw, if i can i would modify it for Saturday night

And it's just fair, we always have this problem. I know the nominations are quick enough to be full in a fucking attosecond and new ideas are great, but one shouldn't ALWAYS nominate a non-made assuming someone else will do it, that's beyond lazy.

>>15864102

I can do Jevil. I was thinking of his probability %'s in each section to be even for the most part to make him rather unpredictable. I was thinking Blade Kick for the finisher, but I am not sure.

>>15864303

Not bad and I'm finally feeling better after being so damn sick this week.

So I'll see if I can spend any budget this week, I wouldnt expect a lot since its fucking thrusday and I haven't done a damn thing for the mania outside of making matches.

>>15866028

No one has claimed Plum.

Plum is so fucking 2 Dimensional you can just give her sports moves if you want. She is not really very fleshed at all

https://www.mariowiki.com/Plum

>>15866028

>>15866033

She shouldn't be very strong at all, but should have good technique and control, just like in her game.

>>15848902

This is the most bizzare nomination I would have ever expected.

>>15866033

I'm pretty much done with Thalamus, just gotta change CPU Logic to prevent mental retardation, then I'll upload and move on to Plum.

>>15866102

okay cool

Who I need:

CITIZEN SNIPS

YUKI

ARCHAON EVERCHOSEN

DAHAKA

PLUM

VECTORMAN

Who has not been Claimed:

CITIZEN SNIPS

YUKI

DAHAKA

PLUM

And we're gonna draw from a RNG to decide who these five will be replaced with if they are not in by Saturday

SNIPS TO BE REPLACED BY NOT IMPORTANT

YUKI TO BE REPLACED BY BANANA FAIRY QUEEN

ARCHAON EVERCHOSEN TO BE REPLACED BY VR WRESTLER

DAHAKA TO BE REPLACED BY NAILKAISER

PLUM TO BE REPLACED BY MENTOR

VECTORMAN TO BE REPLACED BY CALEB GOLDMAN

I'll do Plum. It's hard to get the anime faces to play nice with haircuts they're not designed for but I'll do my best.

>>15866147

Well fuck you, then :^). What kind of Pokerman is Citizen Snips?

>>15866191

>>15849966

>>15849852

You actually might have fun with snips.

>>15866128

Archaon will be up by tomorrow in the morning

>>15866377

Fuck that was fast.

>>15866228

Alright

>>15866377

I don't have anything in the drop off.

>>15866381

I'm spending the most time on actually making the fighter look the part. I just used >>15866377 pic related as the base and then made tiny changes to the CPU logic as stated earlier.

>>15866390

Accidentally linked the script itself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FDjqtniVFFp6qLz14nfRgVw7sgG3MLVX/view?usp=drivesdk

What's that thing about Big Rig changing the position in the time space continuum with the spinning screen? QP something? Sage for quadruple post

Well fuck.

Thank you dude.

And thank you to everyone who had helped this week

>>15866644 (Check'd)

No, thank you for hosting such an epic, entertaining gamenight filled with camaraderie.

>>15866666

Most impressive, faggot.

>>15866462

But the best one is Yupiel-sama.

>>15866691

I prefer Western animation for my goth fix. The only Eastern animators that I feel gets it right are Kazuma Kaneko and Kouta Hirano..

>>15866720

The goth you posted isn’t a loli though.

>>15866818

Oh… well thanks, that makes me feel slightly less guilty about masturbating to her. :^)

I may be fucking stupid for doing this but I'm going to work on Citizen Snips despite my computer's power supply issues and work scheduling bullshit. Wish me luck

>>15866828

I already finished Citizen Snips. >>15866410

Everyone has either been finished or claimed. I'm sure you could probably make a better appearance than I did, if you have the patience for modifying movesets and CPU Logic then by all means.

>>15866666

Very impressive

>>15866842

Oh, he is finished! I thought I saw TNA say that he wasn't in. My bad

So when it comes to duo or triplet fighters (like the Fighting Polygon Team for instance) how many edit points are allowed on each wrassler? I'm assuming whatever ends up equaling 180-190 in total? I wanna try making the Elite Beat Agents for another mania at some point in time

>>15869391

Polygon is something like 40 each

For upcoming tagmania(s), can a tag team have a manager? Or just 2 wrastlers?

>>15869927

I won't say no.

but a tag is double the work.

and tp throw a manager on top of is even more.

newcomer to Fire Pro Wrestling here with some questions:

I saw a number of items in the FPWW character creator numbered 2 without a number 1 anywhere. Are additional parts unlocked through gameplay or did I miss something?

What do Fight Style and Return Skill affect when you consider that I'm editing the moveset independent of those descriptions anyway? Are they even tied to the moveset at all? Are they AI patterns?

Why is grapple timing so ludicrously exacting?! I expect that shit out of online and Virtua Fighter tourneyfags, not a tutorial match. Shit's frustrating.

I've found a great nom for later. Given that all wrestlers are claimed/done, i'll prepare this one

>>15869938

Well, if its a tag team with 2 pokemons and Red as the manager, it could work right?

>>15869995

Look for a 100% save online for extra moves, textures and stats points (the limit here still is 180-190 though)

I miss the exact details, but Fight style is exaclty that about which your moveset and CPU logic is defined, while ReturnStyle if about counterattacking. Of course, while you can set something different, the more affined to Fight style the better (less breath demanding and such)

>grapple timing so ludicrously exacting

Welcome to FPWW

>>15870035

yeah that'd be fine.

>>15866590

Are you talking about the QPUs meme? That came from pannenkoeks SM64 autism. In the game, he builds up speed to travel across what he calls QPUs (Quarter Parallel Universes) ingame just so he can get one star in half an A press. If you've never watched this whole video, do it. It's worth it at least once.

Jevil has been updated and at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xEg8-pzQoTL_7TgOkhmiUpRlk71v_WGZ/view?usp=drivesdk

In this update, I made him Orthodox so that he can do almost anything with C affinity and I changed his logic a bit so that he will get out of the ring more often. He still doesn't seem too strong, but that might be me having awful luck with RNG.

>>15873396

So he can do ANYTHING?

>>15873543

That was the intention, although I made him more of the small agile type than the big strong type so he is rather biased. Anyway, I'm going to make another thing for a later date, so I probably won't update Jevil again unless I need to.

>>15873482

God I really hated writing Gruntilda. Like Brauggi is easy to do because his poetry is 4 lines

But fucking Grunty was a quick 2 line rhyme and doing that on the spot was not fucking easy with all her wise cracking.

Anyway

ALL WRESTLERS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HELP THIS WEEK, I LOVE YOU ALL

>>15873942

Really though, phoneposting just gives way to the worst formatting.

>>15873942

You're very welcome TNA

I think I made something that is strong enough to kick the shit out of Alto before the nerfs. Hopefully I can nerf her soon.

>>15874107

Oh wait, Alto is beating her up now. Never mind.

I really wish you guys would stop minmaxing your characters.

I just undo the minmaxing anyway and make their stats more overall balanced.

>>15877379

So just for future reference, what's the max amount and the least amount of a stat you'll allow, or are you not gonna reveal that because then that'd lead to a minmaxing situation all over again?

I wanna start making some template wrasslers for the uninspired with some f u n meme sets as well

>>15877551

Shit man I dont mind 10s

But if your just gonna do 10s in 3 stats and 1 in everything else then im gonna fuck your wrestlers shit.

As far as templates go, I'd say just keep it all pretty balanced best fighters have great chances around 7 and 8

>>15877551

what if I had an idea for a FUN™ type wrestler that was all 1s in offense but really high defenses?