/v/ - Video Games

>just fuck with a mega corporation that can sue you into the ground lol

Nice reaction image you fucking fag

>>15827135 Forgot this link, post from image.

http://archive.is/7Llx8

>>15827159

>networking appendage strapped on to software

>stuffed with bitcoin miners

Are you 14? did you hear someone say "stuffed with bitcoin miners" in another thread so now you think anything can have it in? Are you really that stupid?

>>15827148

you nigger always release shit in a way they cant tie it back to you. that way it doesnt matter if they try a dcma, it wont work if they cant find ya

>>15827168

>one sentence about making your software that's supposed to be a legitimate attempt at fan made MP for skyrim into sketchy floatware getting copied and spread and edited by god knows who for god knows what purposes when bethesdas name is on the line

Good plan you sound like someone qualified to make judgement about the proper way to handle and release fan made multiplayer for a game owned by a mega corporation that loves to sue like a sport.

I'm sure if they had just made the MP with no correspondence from bethesda that required the work of many people co-coordinating and corresponding it would have all gone totally great and nothing would have gone wrong.

You sound like a 14 year old trying to tell 30 year old game devs how to make games, you know nothing other than vague statements about "release shit in a way they can't tie it back to you" and "it wont work if they can't find ya" like anybody who has the time and effort to make MP skyrim is going to bother with the headache of all the trouble you're saying they should go through instead of just releasing the fucking thing legitimately.

>>15827178

At least i don't have to have gay reaction images to give my posts more weight and a "hey, i'm one of you kids" appeal because they utterly lack anything of substance.

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>>15827148

>(you)

>sage is a downvote

Bumping specifically and only because you posted

>>15827186

Don't attention whore and C&Ds don't matter. Finish your project, dump it on mega, comply with the C&D when it comes. Then, laugh at the publisher's attempts to stop it from spreading, because it's not under anyone's control any longer.

It's that last bit where attention whores stumble. They can't stand the idea of setting their work free.

>>15827197

>all those WoW boxes

That spic was probably a scalper

>damaging their game

Is this guy mentally retarded? Oh wait Reddit of course he is.

What fucking difference does it make at this point? Bethesda doesn't sell MP Skyrim so there's nothing to damage. What a bunch of dumb cunts.

>>15827211

I guarantee it has nothing to do with that. They probably think if they suck Bethesda's crusty jew cock they'll land a job there.

>>15827211

If they release MP into the public anybody can fuck with it, if it's not released properly it can lead to data being stolen.

You'd think you'd know this seeing as how /v/ loves to shit on bethesda and they've had a dedicated thread to the data leak.

Unless you've looked deeply into the project, there's probably a few things that need to be clarified:

- Skyrim Together's a multiplayer mod for Skyrim. Judging by demo footage on YouTube, it's more than satisfyingly functional, making it a total shame that it'd be wasted like this.

- The way it's intended to work is through using a program that hooks into your game to make it act as a client. It's closed-source and uses Proton bloat for extra UI.

- All of the servers are intended to be hosted remotely by them, with the capability of making private, password-protected "instances". This is meant to be an actual alternative to hosting the server yourself, to play with, potentially, a guy sitting right next to you.

- You will need to register an account to start playing on their servers. Meaning, they can ban you if you upset somebody.

- They have servers all over the world. As for stability, they apparently run through Amazon's "cloud" services, which is actually meant to be a relief to us.

- They intend to cover the costs with Patreon donations.

- Some mods work as long as both clients have the necessary resources (characters will appear naked, etc. to players without the necessary mods). However, the actually good ones requiring script modifications through Skyrim Script Extender will not.

>>15827201 Please don't propagate this meme, I don't want somebody to bump my thread just because of your irrelevant shitposting.

>>15827168

They are maintaining it on reddit. They want to be known as the devs of this thing. Of course, if your mindset is this selfish, you're taking steps so as to not be liable for anything.

>>15827206

and it is not even the software just trading cards

>>15827217

If only someone added a multiplayer mod to an Elder Scrolls game than we would know for sure. Oh wait OpenMW came out. And no one got their data stolen nor did they got sued. Guess you are just retarded and talking out of your ass.

>Morrow-wind Multiplayer Mod, despite drama, was released for free

>Skyrim Together's devs want to suck a whole lotta cock and keep everything underwraps

>Now the STALKER multiplayer guys are doing the same thing

I want these people fucking DEAD.

>>15827217

You're an idiot. It being open source makes it easier for people to modify, and in general that's a good thing. It also means you have a way of validating what the code is actually doing. Using lack of source code for security is snake oil.

>>15827238

>people who want to get paid for doing work should die

>>15827217

>data being stolen

Data can't be "stolen", only copied. Unless you manage to delete the original after you copy it, anyway.

>>15827274

>illegal for profit off someone else's work

>modders and devs have said this for years

>tries to muh capitalism it

Does being that stupid hurt or do you not realize what a waste of air you are?

>>15827135

Why would they? they just want to milk the little paypiggies until bethesda gets them off the hook.

>>15827144

what would legit pirate server development look like? is there a trustless way to accept patches and do software review? can gitlab run on a hidden service or is there too much surface area?

>>15827219

yeah, fuck that, injecting code is one thing, injecting closed network facing code is entirely different. incidentally is skyrim secretly good? I don't get the premise.

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>>15827346

are they going to pay me for the bitcoin miner? also, he's right, most of this shit is defensible when there's no money because then it's not a fat target for a lawsuit. 2016 plus has been hell for digital rights.

>>15827375

>Gitlab

You mean Git. Gitlab and Github are like Sourceforge. Git is the actual VCS. Apparently it's awkward to set up a repository on Tor though.

>>15827392

actually gitlab is an open web app and you can put it on a vps, but, point taken.

>>15827186

It's always better to go open source for these things. More people can make the software better and keep it alive. Closed source is always doomed to die and get stuck with bugs.

>>15827618

It's also what FO76 should have been. A simple invite only online co-op mode.

>>15827660

I really hope no one from there gets a hold of the Leisure Suit Larry source backups.

>>15827660

>What is it with reddit and sucking corporate cock?

It's because they're soy fueled numales, and every numale loves to be enslaved either by big government or by corrupt corporations.

>>15827346

>someone else's work

This is Skyrim we're talking about anon.

>>15827135

It was really interesting it was shortly after TES3MP (an open source, free software project) came out, with its source code available for anyone to legally use as long as whatever it's used for has its source code released under the same free software license, that Skyrim Together was announced. And then that it was shortly afterward that it was announced that Skyrim Together's source code would not be released. And then that the developers' reasons for refusing to release Skyrim Together's source code kept changing.

>>15827274

Your mod isn’t going to get you money or a job from Bethesda bud. At best, you’ll get a pat on the ass but considering the absolutely retarded way you’re handling servers, it’s more likely you’ll get a CD

>>15827402

>adding pvp to a game with shit combat and balancing

Yeah that’ll work out real well with late game magic spells

>>15827836

has there been a binary release? it may just not exist, or only work on lan because of naieve netcode and interface that just pokes an item into the world every frame

>>15827166

<Are you 14? did you hear someone say "stuffed with bitcoin miners" in another thread so now you think anything can have it in? Are you really that stupid?

>Are you 12? Did you hear someone say "computer software" in another thread so now you think you know everything about it? Are you really that stupid?

Yes you are. I can inject a DLL into any running software and do whatever the fuck I want. Like mining assmoney.

>>15828490

I'm accusing them of plagiarising TES3MP's codebase.

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>>15827190

Some of the best bait I've seen in weeks. Excellent work.

>>15832862

Note that it was a year after TES3MP's (0.7) release that Fallout 76 was announced, as well, when it would have made sense for Fallout 76 to have begun development a year before its announcement.

>>15832862

I couldn't tell just how different they are, but I heard they've just been using the same engine for years. I don't know about Morrowind, but I know that you could just directly import models from Oblivion.

>>15836026

Well the gap between Oblivion and Skyrim isn't so unbelievable, but Morrowind to Skyrim? Quake to Goldsrc, or moreso.

>>15827375

>what would legit pirate server development look like?

A lot like operating a pirate streaming site.

1) Convert cash in your wallet into electronic money that ain't in your name (BTC, prepaid visas, etc…). This is how you pay for shit.

2) Get a good logless VPN in a non-cucked jurisdiction

3) Get a VPS in a non-USA friendly jurisdiction from a non-DMCA compliant host

4) Use that to get webhosting from a different non-DMCA compliant host

5) Use the VPS to handle all website and server related stuffs. Until you go public release. Then you can stop worrying about paying for shit because you can shut the pirate site down after the whole thing has blown up.

>>15827203

This is also smart. The Streissand effect does your job for you.

>>15827223

Ironically because they want to be namefagging attention whores, they're more likely to be actually sued.

>>15827166

prove your innocence by open source it

>>15827652

Ackshually. WoW p servers are done from scratch, based on guess work. MANGOS, CMANGOS, and Trinity are all from scratch. The values are reverse engineered, if you consider numerical value copying that

Why can't others reverse engineer the code?

>>15827482

The reason why that happens is that people would rather seek glory by bragging about it than to keep their mouths shut until they dump their work in a torrent once it's completed.

These people will never look /fit/ because they can't resist self gratification.

Can somebody give me the reddit link? Archive sites are not working for me, even after I DC my VPN.

Is being a corporate cocksucker a requirement for posting on reddit?

>>15839910

He probably just goes by his middle name.

>>15827219

yeah fuck this gay shit, specially how the mods work

>>15839934

Why do some men think that anonymously donating money to women will get them laid?

>>15839934

>isnt the entire reason to be and to post on reddit to get upvotes and approval of others?

Pretty much. Unlike traditional forums or imageboards on Reddit you are rewarded for reinforcing peoples believes and ideas and downvoted, hidden or banned for challenging them. So for example say you really like Skyrim and you post it to /v/ most people will mock you but you will never be banned or your posts hidden for having that unpopular view. If you go to some music reddit page and post anything that's not approved by the sub you will be ignored or downvoted.

>>15840016

The settlement building in Morrowind was way better than in Fallout 4 too.

>>15840022

You can delete all of your comments pretty easy and keep your good goy points.

>>15840071

what mod is it?

what is it with people being such fucking pussies these days. Bethesda literally CAN NOT DO SHIT about them releasing it.

>>15836105

Fuck off.

>>15840368

What's that supposed to prove? You could probably recreate a Skyrim map in Doom these days. The fact is Skyrim is a much more complicated and different engine than Morrowind, and TES3MP isn't even based on Morrowind's code, it's written from scratch.

>>15840320

It's just a bullshit excuse so they can hold control over you or slip shady shit into the program. Beth, for all their faults, did not go after OpenMW or DaggerXL.

>>15840016

That's meaningless when the actual gameplay differs a lot.

>>15840426

A-anon, Fallout 76 has Morrowind, Skyirm, and Fallout 4 code in it. In fact, when Fallout 76 launches, it checks to see if Fallout 4 is running. It actually makes calls to check for and activate Skyrim assets.

My point being that these games are basically frankenstein. I think that guy loaded the map in Morrowinds editor.

>>15840426

Yes, I bet he deliberately put in the map markers that aren't hidden properly since they aren't recognised by Morrowind's gameplay systems.

>>15840426

>Skyrim

>More complicated

Skyrim doeswn't have underwater combat, acrobatics skill, and things that were base in morrowind

>>15840438

Gameplay-wise, Morrowind and Skyrim are worlds apart so I really doubt the multiplayer code would be trivial to adapt and that they just ripped off TES3MP. That said the only way to know for sure is source code leak or disassembly. In the meantime I'm slamming them for being a bunch of faggots making a proprietary mod.

>>15840449

You can load MD2 models into ZDoom, that doesn't make it Quake 2.

>>15840451

In a technical sense. I'm not getting into how much I loathe Skyrim's dumbing down even compared to Oblivion.

>>15840426

Furthermore:

>The fact is Skyrim is a much more complicated and different engine than Morrowind

Where are you even getting this from? Do you think the engine-level bugs that have been present from Morrowind all the way through to Fallout 76 were just lovingly reprogrammed from scratch each time they recycled the Morrowind engine without making any improvements to it whatsoever made a new engine? Do you think that the reason why the engine's mod support hasn't changed at all, let alone improved at all, let alone received any bug fixes at all since Morrowind is because when they're just remaking everything from scratch every couple of years they're just too enamored with what they'd done in 2002 not to just rewrite the exact same programming code line for code line?

>>15840463

And why do you think that every game from Morrowind to Fallout 4 VR has the exact same set of script extenders and graphics extenders? Do you think one reverse-engineered runtime hack can just work on multiple engines at once?

>>15840426

>That's meaningless when the actual gameplay differs a lot.

That doesn't really mean anything to disprove that an engine isn't the same engine, because if you have the source code you can just straight up change the engine directly. Without an engine's source code you can still change the gameplay completely with enough dedication and cleverness on your part, whether or not it'd be worth it is a different matter but it's not something to count on.

>>15840481

Multiplayer doesn't need to track resource formats and such, only gameplay state. If the internals of that are similar between Morrowind and Skyrim, I'll be flat out amazed.

>>15840490

I'd go and eat crow if morrowind dev tools would fix Fallout 76.

>>15840509

Pretty sure they were used to make the first Fallout 4 mods too, before Bethesda finally (and perhaps reluctantly) provided their official editor.

When I was still trying to mod Skyrim, the editor had more bugs and issues than the Morrowind one. One of the main issues was that if I changed cells in the overworld (basically just moving the camera from one 'block' of land to another) many objects would fail to reload and become invisible - only upon doubleclicking the object would they reappear, but only as long as I had their object window open.

TL;DR: Not only do they keep using the exact same engine and exact same tools, they're actually getting worse with each iteration, removing more features as they go along.

>>15840542

Ill make it next time on dubs bot

>>15839856

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyrimTogether/comments/6jjxdm/updates_and_current_state_june_2017/djhsbfy/?context=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyrimTogether/comments/9jj1ob/update_post_2809/

>>15827274

>exploiting someone's work without paying makes you scum

>i want to get paid for a mod made illegally from someone else's work

can't have it both ways bud.

>>15827652

No, the deal is if you're illegally exploiting someone else's work for a project, you don't act all self-righteous and hypocritically chastise anyone else who exploits it e.g. pirates to suck a corporation's cock in the vain hope they will not shut you down.

>>15832862

>>when Bethesda try integrating their code

>>then it turns out to be based on GPLv3 code

>>Skyrim is now GPLv3

That's not how it works you dip. They'd just be violating the GPLv3 (it's no different than using the source of any proprietary program). No one can force you to relicense your stuff if you don't want to.

>morrowind modders are better than skyrim modders

And nobody is surprised

>>15827660

It's because societies are now social based instead of merit based. Corporate cocksucking is just another form of virtue signaling.

>>15827219

>>>Amazon cloud

As someone who ACTUALLY works with Amazon services, I can tell they'll never pay for it with Patreon… It can get damn expensive.

Either they're dumb fucks, or there's a company/(((benefactor))) behind this

>>15845856

Nothing's impossible. One distinct advantage Bethesda games have though is that the player character is technically just a special NPC.

>>15845951

It's the principle. Resource formats are largely unrelated to gameplay, which is what netcode is concerned with.

>>15843639

>No one can force you to relicense your stuff if you don't want to.

Ultimately it comes down to what the license holder wants to pursue. The Busybox maintainer is very aggressive for example.

>>15827148

There is literally nothing illegal with what Skyrim Together is and if they can get a call for Arbitration waived Bethesda literally could not in any way possibly be able to actually sue them.

And by the way faggots niggers and all manner of gay retards. If you can get the claim of arbitration denied, literally none of these companies could actually get away with suing you, and the fact most people just pussy out and settle instead of actually establishing a precedent for broad nullification of arbitration in software, 99% of software kikery would die because they couldn't just pull you into a court that's going to side with them no matter what.

>>15827186

This is prime quality bait right there. Have a (You).

>>15845856

>how is this even possbile?

autism

>is there something the engine has that other games dont that allow this type of thing?

more autistic modders willing to create a multiplayer framework from scratch than previous titles

>can other singleplayer games be modified to become coop?

yes, with enough time and dedication (Pokemon FireRed was technically modded to have multiplayer since 2012 via PokeMMO, but it's not quite the same as this)

Multiplayer mods seem cool at first, but they get boring fast once the gimmick wears off and you realize there's no benefit to adding more players to a game designed around 1 player playing at a time.

>>15845902

Plenty of games have players share characteristics with NPCs. What did Bethesda do that was unique? I figured the advantage with modding Bethesda games was just the access to various modding tools (official and unofficial) that other games might lack.

>>15854908

I know any general-purpose engine is going to treat players that way, but you can't just pick up any offline or single-player game and expect to be able to do a whole lot without redesigning it altogether.

For an example, I guess you can compare Super Mario 64 and Super Smash Bros. Melee netplay. Melee is designed around players hurting eachother, so there's no issue with it being multiplayer, all you've got to do is get the controller inputs from really far away and sync the game world. Super Mario 64 on the other hand doesn't have any proper functionality to actually damage other players, as far as I can tell. Even with autists like Kaze working on it.

Something like Tetris would be flat-out impossible if it weren't designed that way from the beginning, unless you get creative and have the second player choose the upcoming tetronimos, but that wouldn't be very fun for either person.