/v/ - Video Games

>>15812820

2D games are the best. Adventure games are not bad but certainly not as good as the 2D games (a lot of people are still nostalgic about them though due to playing them when they were 10 years old)

Most of the 3D games actually range from fine to good. Shadow and 06 are the actually bad ones. Otherwise 3D Sonic is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be, and is still better than a lot lesser platformers that for some reason get a pass, such as Croc or Ty the Tasmanian Tiger.

>>15812820

>is sonic that bad?

No, SEGA is just incompetent when it comes to handling the IP.

>>15812855

2, 3, &K, Advance, and Mania are all great

CD is… I dunno. A lot of people say how great it is but the game is kinda boring in my opinion. And the bosses are fucking terrible.

Advance 2 and 3 have some good moments, but I really can't recommend them. The bad outweighs the good.

Never played Adventure, but Adventure 2 is a bad game.

>>15812820

If you're going to play any 3D Sonic game, play Heroes, Generations or Colors. Most of the rest of the 3D games range from dated but not terrible (you can at least get some fun out of these games)/really mediocre (SA1, SA2, Shadow the Hedgehog) or outright shit (Sonic 2006, Sonic and the Black Knight, That Arabian Nights-based Sonic game, Sonic Forces). Needless to say, the 3D Sonic games have been very hit-or-miss. If you want a classic modern Sonic experience, play Sonic Mania.

is this a porn

>>15812820

>>15812967

>>15812820

if you're gonna play the 3 he mentioned, then also play adventure 2, and play it last, so that you can see the potential that the sonic/shadow gameplay had

the 3d games are best described as being full of good ideas, but not necessarily good execution

Colors was good

Generations was also good

werehog was 1/2 good

Forces was meh but has great music

>>15812914

I found that most people who complained about CD being 'so-so' often just tried playing it like a normal sonic game. I think it's more enjoyable when you're actually jumping between past/present and destroying the machines robotnik left.

But you have little incentive to do any of that when the game gives you the good ending through the time stones. And Sonic isn't really suited for the big levels either, so tails (who was only added in that 2011 port.) ends up feeling more at home.

You have main games and spinoffs. For the main games, all the ones on Genesis are great. That's Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles. The first is pretty bare bones compared to the sequels. CD feels a bit different with more focus on exploration and stuff, but also has fun unlockable content that gives more reason for replayability than the other games. 2 is pretty much 1 but better. 3 & Knuckles is actually two games combined but the result is by far the best game, with three playable characters, very complex levels with lots of reason to explore while still having a good flow to them, and even a better story, not that people really cared about that.

Sonic Adventure tries to translate the series to 3D, and it gets the basic movement mechanics pretty right, but the level design is a bit plain. There are also adventure game elements with hub worlds with lots of NPCs to talk to, and it's actually well done, but I can understand if this isn't what you want in a Sonic game. There are six characters and some play more like Sonic than others. Tails is pretty much Sonic but with more emphasis on racing because he can fly and is therefore effectively faster. On the other end of the spectrum is Big the Cat, where you walk around the levels and go fishing. Sonic himself is a little over 1/3 of the game. Personally I think the hate for the other characters is overstated, but I can get if you just want to get back to Sonic.

>>15812914

Adventure 2 is a great game. Lots of intricacy to it once you start trying to go for the high ranks and doing the extra missions. It's also the game that comes closest to translating Genesis Sonic to 3D. Adventure got the basic movement right but the level design left something to be desired. Adventure 2 has great level design full of secrets and different routes with varying difficulties. Heroes, Shadow, and '06 tried to keep going with the same basic movement mechanics, but Heroes and Shadow were overwhelmed by their gimmicks and '06 is an alpha prototype. Since selling an alpha prototype as a full game made people mad, they decided to change everything about the series and turn Sonic into a single player racing game because GOTTA GO FAST, instead of the momentum based platformer it was before.

Anyway, Adventure 2 loses the actual adventure game elements like hub worlds and talking to NPCs. It also only has three playstyles instead of six. All three have improved level design but people complain about things like Knuckles' power to find items being gimped in a way that doesn't make logical sense. I think the level design trumps it and still makes it overall better, but I get the complaints. As mentioned, I really think people miss the point of Adventure 2 if they only play the story mode. That's essentially just practice, and the real meat of the game is by doing the extra missions and trying to get the high ranks, which rewards you with many unlockables. This is when you really get to see how intricate the level design can be, and the real fun comes from trying to maximize your score in every mission.

Heroes plays basically like the Sonic/Shadow stages from the previous two games but nothing is quite as good, from the level design, to the ranking system, to the extra missions. You play as three characters at a time and swap between them, but it doesn't make as big a difference to overall gameplay as you'd think. There are four "teams" and you need to beat the game as all four to get the real ending, but the problem is three of the teams are essentially just easy, medium, and hard mode. I still like this game but it's a big step down from Adventure 2.

Shadow the Hedgehog is a solo game where he plays basically like he did in the previous two games (so like Sonic) but also he collects and uses weapons, especially guns. Like Heroes' team mechanic, it doesn't change the core gameplay as much as you'd think, but there you go. The game isn't very polished and despite having the same basic gameplay style, just isn't quite as fun. Level design is always a big thing for this series and this game isn't fantastic at it. There are also levels that are designed to be more maze-like, where you hunt for items or enemies, and a lot of people get annoyed by these. Some can take a very long time. This game surprisingly has one of the best karma systems in any game (not that that's saying much). Every level has two or three missions, each bringing you along a different story path, with ten different endings. What you do in the levels, such as what enemies you kill, also fills either good or evil bars that when maxed give you different special moves. You need to get all ten endings to get the "real ending" that takes place after the timeframe of the other endings. There are hundreds of ways you can get there, but it does mean you have to play the first level ten times (doing each mission about 3 times) which gets tedious. Although again there are secrets and ranks, they aren't as well implemented as Adventure 2, so frankly I never gave enough of a shit to do it. This game and Heroes both have secret Hard Modes (Shadow's even has a story to it) for getting all A Ranks but it's not good enough to make even me do it, and I'm trying to stick up for the game overall.

Sonic '06 is an alpha prototype, where they didn't even have time to dummy out features that were never fully implemented, most notably special powers whose power meter never drains properly so you can use them forever and break the game. The load times are absurd and make doing side missions in the hub worlds unbearable, just because of waiting for the load times. Not that the missions are great or anything. Oh yeah, this game tried to be like Adventure 1 again, and I honestly think I would have loved it if it were finished. It's not. That said, when people say it's so buggy it's hard to play, they're exaggerating. You can go and beat it and it's not an issue. But it is easy to see where it's blatantly unfinished. The music is good though.

Unleashed changed the gameplay formula completely from the basic movement mechanics from Adventure. Now you run down hallways and highways and hold a boost button that makes you kill enemies just by running into them. People like this for some reason. I don't. I mean it's okay but I liked the old style more. Felt more like the Genesis games. You also transform into a werewolf and do basically God of War stuff. People hate this. It's not very good but I think the hate is overstated. The visuals in those stages are pretty cool though. Visuals in the main stages are really nice too. This is a very polished game, the one proper lesson they learned from '06, and it has a lot of content. Even though I said I didn't care for the way they changed the gameplay, I still think this is a very good game overall, and worth playing. Also, people complained for years about Sonic having too serious a story (even though the Genesis games did too), so this game makes it a bit lighter and cartoonier. Still there though.

Colors doesn't have the Werehog so people say they like it more. I think it's a major step down from Unleashed in terms of everything that it kept (the same basic gameplay for the not-werehog stuff). Also, since even Unleashed still got flack for its story, the next few games starting with this would basically only have excuse plots.

Generations takes the parts people liked from Unleashed and Colors, improves them, and adds "Classic Sonic," who is supposed to play like the Genesis games. Everyone loves this game. It's also a big nostalgia trip for all the previous games I mentioned. If you like the series at all you'll like this. It's a bit short though.

Lost World is basically Colors 2 but with you running around cylindrical worlds in a way that feels a bit like Mario Galaxy. I like it better than Colors but a lot of people don't. Few would say it's one of the best entries in the series or anything.

Forces is basically Generations 2 but not as polished. It adds a third playstyle where you make your own OC, who plays basically like Modern Sonic but you can equip special abilities. The story is retarded deviantart shit, like what people always accused the Adventure games of being. Like someone who didn't like (or play) Adventure 2 was trying to emulate it's story style. Its dumb but whatever, ultimately it's not that big a deal. The game has a lot of content if you want to 100% it, with lots of stuff to do in each level, but some people seem to find it gets tedious. It's not as much content as Unleashed, and it's not as good with the Ranking system and level design as something like Generations or especially Adventure 2. A lot of people hate this game but I don't think it's that bad as far as Modern Sonic goes. But I don't love Modern Sonic as much as the previous styles anyway.

Then there's Sonic Mania. Some guys on the internet made a Sonic engine that accurately recreated the Genesis games' engine when Sonic Team had repeatedly failed to do that well. So these guys got hired to remake Sonic 1, CD, and 2. The results were indisputably the best versions of those three games, with extra features and such, but nothing that changes the regular game if you just want the classic experience. It only makes them better. Unfortunately they're only released on iOS and Android. Emulate an Android version or something if you can. Playing on a phone is shit but these are the best versions. So then they made Sonic Mania, and it's pretty much the best Sonic game period. It does the Genesis style and improves everything. It feels like Sonic 4 or 5 or 6 or whatever you want to count it as. There was a Sonic 4 and it was episodic. Episode 1 was shit and 2 was pretty good but nobody cares because 1 was shit. But Mania blows everything out of the water. Get Mania. Get the physical edition, Sonic Mania Plus, as it has more extra stuff including a new story mode with a team mechanic a little bit like Heroes or something. (Actually it's like Knuckles' Chaotix for 32x but that's a weird spinoff so it's not covered here).

>>15813281

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>>15813278

tl;dr

>>15813055

the actual incentiev for going back in time and destroying the machines is so that you can then go to a much safer future and raid it for 1-ups

>>15813284

Not even done yet, faggot.

ow as for spinoffs, there are a bunch on Game Gear and Master System that are actually good. The games called Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on those systems are actually totally different games from the ones on Genesis. Don't get me wrong, they're not quite as good, but they're still good games, and they're completely different. It's not like you're just playing gimped versions of the 16-bit games. There are then more 8-bit sequels, Sonic Chaos, and Sonic Triple Trouble, which are also good. These have playable Tails, and he can actually fly, unlike in Sonic 2 (for Genesis. He's not playable in 2 for GG/MS). Then there's a fifth one called Sonic Blast which tried to have pre-rendered Donkey Kong Country style graphics. On a Game Gear. It's shit. You have playable Knuckles though.

Also on Game Gear are two Tails games. The first is Tails Skypatrol, basically a 2D flying shooter, which personally I think isn't that good. The second is Tails' Adventure, which is actually a great Metroid style adventure game. At first glance you'll think you're playing something that you're supposed to play like a Sonic game. You're not. It's very different, not really fast paced or anything, even though it has somewhat similar controls. Still, it's a great adventure game. Highly recommended.

Sonic Spinball. A great pinball game where you actually to also control the ball because it's Sonic. Basically, there are levels with pinball elements in regular Sonic games, this is a whole thing of that. A bit of a combo pinball platformer. There's also a version for GG/MS which isn't as good.

Doctor Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine is a reskin of Puyo Puyo, also known as Tetris Attack, starring Yoshi, or Kirby's Avalanche, or Pokemon Puzzle League. They're all the same game. They're also all good. This is also on Genesis as well as GG/MS but it doesn't suffer as much on 8-bit due to being a puzzle game.

Knuckles Chaotix was for the Sega 32x and is one of the best games on the system. Not that that's saying much. You're tied to another character with basically a rubber band and the rubber banding mechanics are central. You need to learn to use them properly to fling yourselves to different places, and avoid accidentally being flung where you don't want to go. Levels are designed more like mazes a bit so it gets confusing. That said, it's very fast paced, and I beat it just by flying around with my friend and eventually lucking out to the exits. Oh yeah, this game is clearly meant for co-op, and is much more fun co-op, if you and your friend are both dedicated to actually trying to get used to the mechanics.

Sonic R is Sonic's first 3D game. You race, with most characters being on foot, because it's Sonic. The levels are designed almost like a bit of platforming is intended, and that's interesting. Some interesting stuff to do and unlock in single player, and fun for some couch play with your friend in multiplayer, but don't go in expecting some really great competitive stuff. Oh yeah, it has the best soundtrack of all time. So play it for that reason if nothing else.

A compilation called Sonic Jam on Saturn has a little 3D hubworld with minor challenges called Sonic World that expanded to become Sonic Adventure eventually. Kind of interesting.

The Sonic Advance series has a lot of fans. I don't think they're great. The level design and focus on momentum from the old games isn't really there, it's more just about shooting you forward and making you feel FAST. These feel more like the Modern Sonic (post-Unleashed) games in 2D. But hey, my distaste for them is in the minority. The team that made Advance also made Sonic Pocket Adventure, so you can look at that as Advance 0. They later made Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure for DS, basically Advance 4 and 5. They continued making 2D versions of Colors and Generations, which keep following that Advance/Rush formula. A lot of people like them.

There's also Sonic Battle, which is an RPG/Fighting type of thing for GBA. You have four people in an isometric arena and you fight. Heavy emphasis is on collecting cards which raise the stats of your robot ally, who you sometimes play as. Frankly, I could never have fun until I found out how to farm points at the very beginning of the game and max out the robot's stats before ever really getting into the game. The story is actually deep as fuck and ties in heavily with the main games going on at the time (around the time of Shadow the Hedgehog). Sonic Advance 3's story is basically a sequel to this.

Sonic Riders is a racing game where you're on boards. It's pretty fun. I'd give it a try. It has two sequels but I haven't played them. I hear they're both very different. The last one is on Kinect, so it's definitely very different.

Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing and its sequel are excellent kart racers. Especially the sequel. Everyone loves that game.

Oh yeah I forgot 3D Blast. It's an isometric platformer that tried to feel like a "3D" Sonic when they knew the actual Sonic game for Saturn was entering development hell (it ended up never being released). It's for Genesis and Saturn and there isn't a huge difference except for the Special Stages and the music, but the Genesis versions of those things are preferred by some people. It's subjective. The director of the game, head of the studio who made it, Travelers' Tales, recently released a "Director's Cut" mod which adds a bunch of cool stuff and makes the Genesis version the one to play. I mean the game isn't as good as the main Genesis games or anything but it's not bad. It's pretty okay. The same team would then make Sonic R.

Sonic the Fighters is an arcade fighting game which is largely a reskin of Fighting Vipers. It's okay. Early 3D fighting game. If you're into that, here you go.

There's also a trackball arcade game called SegaSonic the Hedgehog, which was clearly made right after Sonic 1. It's a neat little arcade thing with up to three players, but without a trackball you certainly lose a lot of the point, which is rolling your guy in whatever direction you want (and also there's a jump button).

I probably forgot even more, and there are obscure things that only half count as games, like Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car, but even I don't care about those.

>>15813481

>What is the point of a sonic game if the single player is shit. I can't say more since I don't even remember the extra rank stages

The stuff I'm talking about is single player. The multiplayer in that game is practically worthless. If you never played beyond the story mode enough to remember, I'll explain it. There are actually five missions per level, and story mode only plays through the first of each. Story Mode also doesn't ask you to care about points or ranks. Getting a lot of points gets you better ranks. You get points for fast times, but that's not the only factor, so you're encouraged to also kill enemies and find secrets and do tricks, though you want to be fast while doing this, and sometimes taking a slightly longer (but usually secret) route may actually get you more points. It really encourages you to master the levels, and see how intricate their designs are, and that's where the game shines. Then the game has a lot of unlockables spaced well apart to keep you playing. New costumes for beating all missions with a character. New characters for getting all A Ranks in every mission with a character, and a really cool secret level for 100%ing the game.

I disagree on your opinion of the Knuckles stages, but at the same time, I get it if that's not what you want out of a Sonic game. I wouldn't mind if the game was just three times as many Sonic/Shadow stages instead of also having hunting and shooting stages. But I also don't hate the hunting and shooting stages.

>and the ability to slap in a second controller to control the hero ally makes a huge difference in gameplay

Naw. It's a neat little bonus, but player 2 is useless. You can do this in Sonic Adventure as well, but it's useless. Even in Sonic 2 the main purpose is keeping your stupid little brother from crying and telling your mom you won't let him play. He can help out on bosses a bit but it's not a big deal. In 3&K they add elements where it would be useful to have that co-op partner, but they're few and far between, and the game is simply boring for that second player since it overall isn't made to actually cater to their having fun. Honestly, I'd say Sonic 4 Episode 2 is the only game in the series to do co-op well. Too bad it's only about half a game's worth of content.

>It is sonic adventure 3. but they realised during development that everything is fucked. I have a feeling you are one of those guys who thiniks that it is not SA3.

No, I think it's Sonic Adventure 6. I basically count Heroes and Shadow as Adventure 3 and 4. Though '06 does go back to the basic formula and forego the gimmicks from those two games. It also goes more back to Adventure 1 than even Adventure 2 did. So yes, it's very much a Sonic Adventure game. But unfortunately it's an alpha prototype. As you can tell, I love Sonic Adventure, and I still contend it could have been a great game if finished. But it's not even close.

Unleashed is also called Sonic World Adventure in Japan, and still does the hub worlds. And it actually does them well, unlike '06. But yeah the main gameplay is changed so I wouldn't it's as much an Adventure game as '06 is.

>Sonic man and the sonic power ups were some of the only good things to come out of that game.

You forgot Pele the Beloved Dog.

>I do. It was a constant movement and scenery stage like SA2. and also the music was some of the best in a long time.

The one thing I'll credit '06 with actually accomplishing well is the music. Sonic has consistently great music in practically every game in the series, except Chronicles.

>It is stated as much as it should be.

I'm not saying it's good, and I get why people wouldn't want it in a Sonic game. I'm just also saying it's not that terrible, and the main stages aren't that fantastic either. Overall I think both gameplay styles in this game come out around mediocre, although the daytime stages are still significantly higher, yes. Also, I hear it's a lot worse on the PS2/Wii version but I never played that one.

>>15813481

>I wish that sega could actually learn about what makes their games good and just making their games from complete cancer.

I agree. I hope in the future, Classic Sonic just gets his own games, like Mania. Sonic Team keeps adding him but it's never as good as the old games or Mania. They can instead focus on the 3D stuff and try to perfect that. I get people like Modern Sonic and his Boost stuff, but I still hold out a hope for Adventure-style Sonic gameplay coming back. I like a lot of the other gameplay styles from throughout the series, but I also don't care if they come back. But Sonic's gameplay from that era should come back. It doesn't need to be another time travel version of Sonic, I don't care. It can be more OCs, as long as they play like the Sonic and Shadow stages from Adventure 2. Or just have Shadow come back and continue playing like that. Or just have levels where Sonic plays differently just because. Or maybe it is because of time travel. I don't care. I just want the gameplay back.

>>15812820

2D sonic and Maia are amazing. Mania is 10/10. Everything else is trash.

I bought sonic mania on the switch to see what the fuss was all about.

It's pretty good. Is Mania plus worth it once I finish?

>>15826412

Mania Plus just adds a couple of new playable characters with new abilities, and remixes the existing stages with new color palettes and challenges. But other than that it doesn't add a whole lot.

>>15826412

If you mean encore mode, I'd say so. The was lives/characters work is pretty interesting, Ray is really fucking fun to use, and there's a few differences to some of the levels, aside from the pallette swaps. The last phase of the Metal Sonic fight gets a complete rework, too.

>>15826502

I see your tidal wave of autism and raise you one:

>>>/fast/9127

>That back and forth between white knighting for some shitty furfag artist and rejecting more rapefugees to 8chan.

I wish the series had better fans.

>>15826487

>prove me wrong

Sure, Nintendo didn't make it just published it. Sega was always more ambitious and forward thinking and pioneered many of the things Nintendo is credited with.

>>15826521

>kayla-na

Oh boy, I can already tell where that thread headed.

3D games in a nutshell

>hey this escaping from the city shit is pretty cool

>wait why am i playing as a red flying dude digging holes all day

>wait why did this game turn into a shitty 3rd person shooter

>wait why am i playing as a purple retard

Sonic games being bad is a Big Bang Theory meme.

With maybe 4 examples out of the entire series of legitimately bad games

And three of those are unfinished technically.

>>15838344

>Sonic games being bad is a Big Bang Theory meme.

BBT didn't even mention Sonic only Mario.

>>15843679

Referring to the 2007 explosion of "geek" culture, and what largely cemented people's opinions of sonic games at the time Sonic '06.

To the point people retroactively claim the series was bad.

>>15845066

BBT didn't do shit. That was DeviantArt and the creepy fandom that made people hate Sonic.

>>15838256

I hope you're playing with the fixes that restore everything.

>>15812820

Sanic 3 is the best. CD is alright. Mania is good for what it is, a fan made retreading through games of yesteryear.

>>15838256

Once I got the hang of it that actually became my favorite part of the game. Everything else is really janky and the few good things were done better in SA2.

>>15827607

Sonic rolls around like a ball. Let's make something a bit like Marble Madness but with some slight Sonic elements. People say it's too slow, as if they're trying to walk in it. You're obviously only supposed to roll. People are dumb. Sonic Labyrinth isn't that bad.

>>15845424

This. Big the Cat takes up so little time of the game that I can't be bothered to be mad at it. Same goes for all the other guys too. Sonic is the most with 10 levels. Tails, Knuckles, and Gamma have 5. Big has 4. Amy has 3. Frankly, now that I'm looking, Big shouldn't have had more levels than Amy. But still, you can beat both of those campaigns in a couple minutes. It's not a big deal. Also there are bosses, and Sonic has the most, with Tails and Knuckles having a couple, Gamma having two, and Amy and Big having only one each. So the game is strongly focused on the best characters, with characters basically getting less focus based on how good they are. Except Big getting more than Amy, which is dumb. But they're close. Big just gets to play in whatever levels happened to have water in them.

I get not wanting a fishing minigame in Sonic, but it's seriously so short it's crazy the amount of hate people have for it. You play Panzer Dragoon style rail shooter stages more than you play as Big, and nobody points that out because technically you're still playing as Sonic & Tails for those four stages. The Sky Chase stages are just Panzer Dragoon, the Gamma stages are just Burning Rangers, and the Big stages are Sega Bass Fishing. Also there are the snowboarding/sandboarding sections. I don't know if there was a particular Sega game they were ripping off or if it was just the general genre. But the point stands.

I do wish they'd do a whole game of just Adventure Sonic gameplay though. I don't mind the other characters but Sonic was the best and if we just had him maybe people wouldn't complain about the others and then I could get more sequels with that gameplay.

>>15812820

>first one is not that good

I'm not going to fight you on that, but it sure was a hell of a tech demo for the hardware.

Colors is shit and the only good part of Generations is the classic Sonic sections. "Modern" Sonic is fucking Temple Run and has less depth than the mobileshit game Sonic Runners had because at least that didn't have a win button in the form of dashing. Modern Sonic was on a downward spiral since the beta Windy Valley design for Adventure was replaced, Sonic Team knew from the beginning how to retain at least a better classic feel in their games but they decided to do straight lines instead.

Sonic allstars racing transformed is the best kart racing game ever made.

>>15812855

Adventure 1 was janky but pretty comfy. I stopped playing 2 because I started laughing too much at a cartoon fox circle strafing a fat bald man in bipedal robots. Most retarded shit I'd ever scene.

>>15826487

2d sonic games are fantastic. 2D mario games suck. 3D sonic games suck. 3D mario games are fantastic (except for the galaxy ones, and odyssey isn't that great - also I've never played 64: so mario sunshine is fantastic, and shows how good 3d mario games can be).

The only thing worse than Sonic the Hedgehog are the fat, autistic faggots that comprise its fanbase.

>>15846079

>2d mario games suck

take your tryhard faggotry elsewhere.

>>15846079

>2D mario games suck

Have you played the ones that don't have "New" in the title?

>>15845587

Maybe if it had the smooth control of marble madness, and not just lots of awkward stopping and starting.

>>15849598

Yeah it's a bit of an awkward hybrid. Actually now that I'm thinking about it it almost controls more like a golf game like Kirby's Dream Course or something. Still, my point is that when you play it for what it is, and aren't trying to pretend it's a regular Sonic game but isometric, it's not that bad. Not the greatest game or anything, but not deserving of the huge amount of hate it gets.

>>15849107

>sonic

>bad

I'll give you the fat autists though.

>>15812967

But, Sonic Forces you can make your OC a real Sonic character. The other characters talk to him or her and make it feel like he/she's a part of the game!

The number of good Sonic games can be counted on 1 hand. Maybe 2 if you allow average as being good as well. In terms of fanbase, Sonic would win hands down as the worse aspect of it.

>>15853447

This seems like the model they used for the Sonic live action movie.

2D Sonics are good, but not great. I grew up way past the early 90s console war and got into retro gaming in the mid-00s when I was twelve and I enjoyed the shit out of NES and SNES Mario titles while I was all like "wow, this tried to kill Mario?" when I tried old Sonic games.

It speaks volumes that Mario continued to be good and even his most divisive games aren't considered godawful while the golden age of Sonic was extremely short, tried to be endlessly resurrected with nostalgia pandering and didn't really succeed until Mania which was created by fans.

>>15812820

Sonic really does confuse and enrage the fuck out of soyboys. They can't handle the speed.

The reason is they were born and grew up with ultra low testosterone due to their soy-fathers breastfeeding them with soy. Female-level reflexes and reactions.

Only able to open mouth gape like soy sucklers.

>>15849185

>>15846492

>>15849537

they don't, suck they're just really bear bones in comparison to other 2D platformers. I'd play any 2D Megaman, Sonic, Castelvania, or Donkey Kong over any Mario 2D or 3rd Mario

>>15857219

fuck

>3d mario

>>15858735

Why is his ammo meter not going down? Is that some sort of glitch? I beat the game when it came out, and never encountered something like that.

The originals are pretty good. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are okay. The rest of absolute shit aside from Sonic Mania.

>>15826408

> If they complain that they had "no time to react" to something

the game punishes going fast by placing random springs in shitty places

as far as I'm concerned they can get fucked

>>15812820

>The first one is not that good

>>15812967

>play Heroes

Kill yourselves

>>15858684

>I agree that Sonic 1 pales in comparison to Super Mario World,

Imagine having taste this shit.

>>15858684

>I agree that Sonic 1 pales in comparison to Super Mario World

Super Mario World is garbage. Easily the worst of the main Mario games. Sonic 1 as bad as it is easily eclipses it in quality.

>>15865524

>the game punishes going fast by placing random springs in shitty places

No, it punishes having shit reaction time, you fucking retard. The game gives you the ability to go fast if you have skill. It doesn't just throw you forward and make you go fast, you have to earn it. Advance, Rush, and Modern Sonic do the latter, which is why they're shit, but filthy fucking casuals like you like them.

Also, Mario World is great. You guys are fags. If you prefer Mario 3, that's fine too. Sonic 1 is better than Mario 1. I can see putting it on the level of Lost Levels or USA. However, Sonic 2 is a huge improvement over Sonic 1, as is CD, and 3&K is the best.

>>15865453

You get unlimited Ammo and Invincibility when the Hero or Dark gauge's are full, which is very useful when going for A ranks, since (outside of Chaos Control freezing bosses) Chaos Control / Blast are almost pointless beyond the cool factor, if your simply holding a gun that can deal more damage to more things faster.

>>15865968

>No, it punishes having shit reaction time

This is a lie, once you move too fast the camera cannot keep up. You're a fucking bitch playing baby hour sonic over there if you've never experienced that. Didn't bother reading the rest of your bullshit.

>>15866221

If you're going that fast, it's typically while flying through the air or something. And yeah, that's faster than the game thought you could go. But you know for a fact that's not what they're talking about.

>>15865524

Springs send you down alternate paths usually.

What I've mostly heard newfags complain about is the fact that they run into an enemy "that popped up faster than they could react". You're not supposed to react to it. Once you're running at top speed you press down to curl into a ball and that maintains your momentum while making you harmful to enemies.

>>15866293

There are enemies with spikes that stop you, though. Usually you either have to react by jumping, or it's a flying enemy that fakes you out into jumping at it and spikes you. Granted, these are usually things you should be able to react to once you recognize the enemies, i.e. get good.

>>15812982

>>15866221

Just git gud.