/v/ - Video Games

>>15798205

Crowbcat is retarded. He also made a video detailing TF2s aesthetic changes now vs 2007 (related to OP) and it was mostly just superficial aesthetic changes Valve made to make the game more toon-shaded

>>15798213

They never stated that the video was a bad thing though, and vice versa for the nu-doom video.

Nintendo games used to look better as development went on, so layer trailers and then the finished product would look better than early showings. That went out the window as they joined the other companies in the modern day though, and now we have BotW bullshot trailers and such.

You can see it in some other games still, if rarely. Sakuna, the inchling rice game, has gotten significantly prettier if you compare old and newer trailers.

Team Fortress 2 is a kiked cash grab of a game.

It's a money grab sequel to an existed paid mod which was shit together in source engine for a quick buck even though it a better version was already available for free in Quake.

Not graphics, but I remember people being surprised that rabbids mario tactics game was halfway decent

>>15798328

Yeah that one was fucking weird

>>15798213

I disagree, anon. The lighting and model quality took a huge hit after the Gun Mettle update. Ten years of "active" development on aging code takes its toll; TF2 runs and looks much worse than it did in 2007.

>>15798213

>Crowbcat is retarded. He also made a video detailing TF2s aesthetic changes now vs 2007 (related to OP) and it was mostly just superficial aesthetic changes Valve made to make the game more toon-shaded

that's completely incorrect, a lot of changes made to source games between 2006 to now fucked with a lot of things unintentionally, very little was changed with anything in mind such as "making the game more toon-shaded" (which it's considerably less so than early trailers)

>>15798446

>You still had to buy Quake.

Wrong. It works as a standalone mod. Like many other Quake mods. Shouldn't you be in school, underage b& faggot?

>>15798453

To be fair, making a vector or trace of an existing image or photo then putting text with Impact font gives that vibe.

>>15798300

>that projection image

wew

>>15798324

>suggesting that TF2 is the same game as the original Quake mod

You even acknowledged it isn't by arguing that the Quake mod is better.

>>15798205

Never give views to any channel.

All e-celebs are shit.

>>15798292

TFC was GoldSource, not Source. TFC was also free before the release of the Steam platform and was included with Half Life. Further, the gameplay in both commercial Team Fortress games is incredibly different from Quakeworld Team Fortress.

>>15798942

in hl2 most of the time it was easy to hit the fps cap of 330. tf2 was pretty great at launch but as it turns out stapling on tons of objects the engine wasn't really designed to track on a server or client side really made a mess of things that not even enabling hacky multicore support or making the game look a lot worse could address.

>>15798942

God, do I miss that menu. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>15799068

You don't like an obnoxious mobile game aesthetic where none of the buttons make sense? Next you'll be telling me that you want communities built around servers where the people all get to know each other from frequently playing together and create memorable, unique experiences.

>>15799094

base source has a great look and feel. Nice and clean.

>>15799166

STOP FUCKING SHILLING THIS

>>15799166

Would be fun if the people behind it weren't autistic redditor trannies, just like how classic was.

>>15799196

Where did the "developers being redditors" meme come from? We tried to advertise there once with little success. That was our only interaction with reddit.

>>15799232

Basically there's a handful of people on here still mad that we didn't turn vintage into their personal e-hangout

Speaking of 3.5 on hold till bach figures out what causes the pumpkin bombs to cause crashes. He thinks it's the same thing as arrow gibs

>>15798446

Fucking retard

>>15799246

>Basically there's a handful of people on here still mad that we didn't turn vintage into their personal e-hangout

Who? The only person that I know that tried that shit was alphablaster and that guy was a total faggot.

>>15799166

You do realise by pushing this faggot shit this hard your only making people hate it, right?

>>15799232

>We tried to advertise there once

That is where it comes from.

>>15799246

>Basically there's a handful of people on here still mad that we didn't turn vintage into their personal e-hangout

<uses discord

<thinks they aren't an e-hangout

>>15799293

a few furries tried it. Got told to fuck off.

There was also a case of like 2 dudes who didn't understand the concept of troll shielding and wanted to treat the normalfag containment chats like an extension of 8ch instead of normalfag containment and a way to protect the project and anons by allowing any complaints aimed at "offensive speech" to be deflected by saying "servers are not under our control, what is said and done there is up to the server ops to decide". The idea is by running a squeaky clean front, people can do whatever the fuck they want in the servers and we aren't responsible for it as a result.

>>15799298

>>15799300

>>15799304

>being mad

Also it's probably some spite filled cuck from TF2C, remember those guys were keeping tabs on the threads when vintage first started so a definitive shitter is hard to pin down, but off the top of my head

>Furries

>Spergs

>TF2Cucks

>>15799304

We use the discord mainly for reporting bugs and inviting people to gamenights.

>>15799337

Pretty much this. The thread on /vg/ still gets use and it's been inactive because there hasn't been any real updates, Bach is busy with IRL shit and 3.5 is on hold till a crash gets sorted.

Goycord has been handy in bug reports, getting them in real time has been a lot better than the delay of threads. I'd personally like to just shut it down and push people onto riot.im as it's libre software and more functional.

>>15799317

>a few furries tried it. Got told to fuck off.

That's because there were only 2 or 3 servers and alpha's server was the only populated server on it.

>There was also a case of like 2 dudes who didn't understand the concept of troll shielding and wanted to treat the normalfag containment chats like an extension of 8ch instead of normalfag containment and a way to protect the project and anons by allowing any complaints aimed at "offensive speech" to be deflected by saying "servers are not under our control, what is said and done there is up to the server ops to decide". The idea is by running a squeaky clean front, people can do whatever the fuck they want in the servers and we aren't responsible for it as a result.

But that's what alpha's server was. It was an extension of 8ch. So much so, alpha took it upon himself to go through the profile of anyone who joined the server and banned anyone who was a furry, brony, or whatever the fuck else.

So what if we were responsible, what could they do besides whine about it on the steam community page?

>>15799317

>normalfag containment

<uses it to schedule and run events >>15799337

Alright, nigger.

When you faggots first started posting about tf2v here back when the majority of posters thought you were just going to remove the dumbassery from classic and focus on fixing and making the game work like it was supposed to.

But over time your retarded shit started pushing out faggot items and you never actually did remove the retarded shit that was in classic(auto bunnyhop and lolrandumb mode are still built in)

But worse, you also started pulling in the PR meme, which sours the game to anons evermore as no sane anon wants to play with literal reddit trannies and normalfags.

We thought it was just going to be us anons and the events would be done on /v/ gamenights such as the joint ops gamenight running right now.

But instead you turned it into a goycord circle jerk and the development on fixing the shitty parts of the game has in the public's eye, completely halted.

Additionally, your also shilling /vg/ which only makes it all the more worse.

sage, unrelated

>>15799359

>Speaking as if you speak for everyone

>Being mad at B hop and Randomizer

>Repeated (you)s

I think you're just upset personally.

>>15799355

we're talking vintage, not classic.

>>15799376

Yeah you're mad. You want something that strictly stays 8ch and caters specifically to your needs and if it strays off the path, suddenly it's a front to "ALL" anons and reddit shit.

>>15799381

normalfags typically don't use it. Again the point was to use it for them as contaiment unless the joke is you want them here.

I find it funny people sperg, TF2V is Libre software, you can clone it and do whatever the fuck you want to it. People like 5fbe80 are just spergs who need things their way or the highway. Literal children who were never told no by their parents

Nice thread, hat drones

>>15799400

It's a shame, TF2 is a good game at it's core. The engine is showing it's age with all the shit it has to process at once and as a result chugs. The tickrate is tied to map events, meaning it can't be changed, less map events desync.

Community servers are dead, thanks match making. Hope you like trade servers

>>15799390

>TF2V is Libre software

Actually, tf2v is licensed under source sdk license and still depends on source which is proprietary.

It is, however, opensource. It's not libresoftware though, because it doesn't hold true to the 4 freedoms of free and opensource.

>>15799411

eh close enough. Point is if people aren't a fan of 2 left over things that are being kept because one speeds up CTF and the other is to fuck around then they can strip em out and from there just leech off our updates. The comp community messages me every so often asking if we'll bend a knee to em. Keep telling them they can just fork the project or help us complete the project THEN fork it and do what they want.

>>15799417

like base game TF2? or the "would be" builds like brotherhood of arms?

There are mods out there like that.

>>15799421

He means stop using source, faggot.

>>15799421

like make a game in unity, UE4 or your own engine whatever the fuck imitating TF2 or TFC gameplay not source mods like fortress forever i wanna play that again tbh

>>15799433

One thing I do like about source is deep down it's super toaster friendly as a engine. I'm not a graphics fag, it's just it seems valve never really overhauled the rendering engine in any meaningful way and are just keeping it as close as it can. Granted they've teased source 2 for ages and MAYBE thats what retail TF2 needs, but who knows.

Shoving it onto another engine won't magically solve issues and might make some, like movement.

>>15799449

Because it's lost forever under a mire of shit and a shop shoved in your face ontop of 10 other fucking alerts the moment you start the game?

Or the fact it looks like a console UI now and most of the options are big fucking buttons

>>15799483

It lost the original cel shaded lighting it had durign the beta. the muzzle flash was replaced with a more "realistic" one. Launch is more a mix of realism with cartoons based on the proportions and stylization. You also have to remember that originally this game was themed like old spy films, facades up front and massive underground complexes beneath em or behind em. The community shat all over that and the people who act as "gate keepers" are the ones who have ruined it further by turning it into a circlejerk, where if you aren't sucking their dicks, good luck getting content in there.

>>15799485

Because things were simpler back then, back then it was enjoyable, each class had a set role and were part of something bigger (their team).

>>15799534

The game also had a soul.

>>15798213

These changes are Valve fucking up litle by little on every game update.

Weapon shading changed when they introduced skins and they didn't tune-up material settings.

Suringe gun animation broke with c_models introduction because in v_ and w_ models bone for rotation had different names, and c_model uses name from v_model. Same reason for revolver and grenade launcher differences

Lighting in maps changed because Valve broke their lighting compiler. I think it happened same time they included into it support for lightmaps on models, because they used it for the moonbase map, and after that if they recompile map lighting on models will change.

Class selection lighting is unknown, but i heard it used 3 ligths and now uses only 1 for some reason.

>>15799094

I hate new tf2

>>15799588

"We can never out compete our fans so we'll have our fans work for us". This is more or less what Gabe Newell said about it. I forget the exact quote. At this point Valve basically went full greed.

>>15799539

and was made with love. You can tell the love is gone, now. Devs used to make major updates for the game to continue the lifespan, similar to what is done now - except that the content within those major updates we don't get anymore used to hold quite a lot of weight and carried a great impact. Not only were there usually 3 or more new weapons added per major update, but a supreme amount of bug fixes along with balance tweaks, usually a new official map or two and thus more assets.

>>15798213

>(1) and done

>implying lighting and shadow quality don't matter

dis small brained nibba

>>15799648

They stopped giving a fuck about this game around the time they started doing the tie-ins with other games and adding items that where just stat swaps.

>>15798453

The irony is if you go on cuckchannel /v/ right now you'll notice half the userbase is perfectly described by that image. Don't actually do that unless you want to die inside.

>>15799601

Nobody at Valve really wants to work on Team Fortress 2. CS:GO and Dota 2 bring in more revenue and have more players. You make something for Team Fortress 2, and only a couple thousand will see it. You make something for Dota or Counterstrike and hundreds of thousands will see it. The same thing happened with L4D2.

>>15798942

I miss the old uniformity of tf2, now the maps, colors, weapons, etc are all over the place

The one thing they did right was leave the class list the same, they didn't do like other games and keep adding playable characters

>>15799166

>not pre-Mannconomy

why even bother calling it vintage then

>>15799166

The reason why your mod is shit is simple, TF2 is an outdated game. It's 11 years old, older if you count the Brotherhood of Arms and Invasion incarnations. It's the same reason why most people don't want to go back and play Quake 3 Arena semi-regularly: they had their fun with it and moved on. This is also why retail TF2 is practically destined to become a defunct, shutdown game in the next five years. Really, the death knell was when the game went free to play, Robin Walker's desperate attempt to acquire more hatbux. Simply move the fuck on: you're almost as sad as those people who play World of Warcraft, retail or on private servers, grinding through the same content repeatedly, hoping that Big Daddy Blizzard will cater to them at some point and bring back the emotion they had mistaken for fun back in 2004-2007.

>>15798181

Any game that doesn't allow you to downgrade.

>>15798942

Daily reminded to get the Orange Box (among others) from eBay or Amazon and archive it in case Valve will go full evil.

>>15799588

Unusuals existed before the Workshop, killstreaks and australium weapons were added by Valve themselves.

>>15799588

Having The Steam Workshop saved Valve the effort of having to deliberately seek out the ready-made assets for the game that the community had been making since 2007, but it's not like Valve didn't start making use of those assets until The Steam Workshop came around to make the process of doing so slightly easier.

>>15799861

Some of the post-mannconomy weapons we have added do have vintage versions, like the LnL and the caber, so it still keeps with the vintage theme. The other post-mannconomy weapons don't have vintage versions, but we still included them for other reasons. For example, since the Original is just a reskin of the default RL, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

>>15799870

>mad fag

>claims pandering to furries

>we

so you're like the other faggot and think you speak for every anon because you got told no once. I wouldn't be surprised if the people shitting on vintage were the same faggots I mentioned earlier

>>15799722

that's because CS:GO and Dota are "popular" right now. As much as I like 1.6 and even CS:S, the "spread" in CS is trash and in GO it's just worse, you can just move the gun so the upper right corner of your screen is the middle and kill people with full auto that way.

>>15800672

>that's because CS:GO and Dota are "popular" right now.

That, and the fact that they're newer games. Why waste man hours on old hat games like TF2, games that the original playerbase has already moved on from, games that are going to be shut down entirely soon?

>>15798292

-t. played the game for like 7 years and only says that in retrospect

>>15800760

Part of the moving on has to do with how they turned the game into every other one, they gutted the server browser essentially and that killed a lot of servers. But you're right, normalfags are retarded

>>15800779

>But you're right, normalfags are retarded

Because they moved on from an 11 year old game that's innevitably going to be canned in the near future? TF2 is too old to be around anymore, it should have been silently put down some time after it went free to play. Developers trying to artificially extend the shelf-life of their games is as much of an issue as microtransactions. See: World of Warcraft.

>>15799955

Did you know the ps3 version of tf2 still has a pretty active community?

It's fun.

>>15800798

Yeah, But I think the game should have burned out naturally instead of trying to have it's life either artificially extended or the game suddenly cut off. Some of the early weapons worked nice as alternatives as they provided a different play style, like direct hit being for soldiers who could aim shots and were thus rewarded for it, versus those who used splash damage.

Also the tie-in weapons were a mistake

>>15800854

The unlockable weapons were an attempt to increase the lifespan of the game. DLC, expansion packs and major updates are all artificial life extensions.

>>15800877

even just balance patches extend the life of a game and lots of devs have realized these facts a while ago.

>>15799813

Eh, it might have actually been better had the new content been done via new classes instead of loadouts. It wouldn't have fucked readability over for one thing (the second you identify an enemy's class you know what he can do). But also it would have disciplined Valve to actually put some thought into the shit they implement into the game.

I mean think about it. Unlike a new weapon, a new class requires you to come up with a new character design, create his model, animate him, come up with a new arsenal of weapons for him, write a whole bunch of dialogue, find a voice actor who can deliver them and possibly make a new "meet the" video to introduce him to the game. If you're going to go to the effort to do all that shit you'll be inclined to not fuck it all up by attaching a bunch of half-asses game mechanics to him. You would bloody make sure that it would be worth the effort involved.

>>15800877

Look at L4D2 and the backlash that got when it first came out, it was pretty much just a stand alone with melee weapons tacked on.

supporting the game with new content is fine. But if it hits a point where it's more bloat than actual content, then yes it should be kinda left on life support till the fanbase abandons it.

>>15800913

Problem is then you fuck the classes made at launch. What you're advocating is the kosherwatch treatment where shit falls to the wayside because there's just so many characters to pick from and with some more viable than others, the rest fall into disuse until they're either buffed or everyone else is nerfed.

the 9 classes worked, but they should have done more for the game in terms of content, CTF is outright unplayable in TF2 because it becomes turtling.

>>15800951

>CTF is outright unplayable in TF2 because it becomes turtling.

tf2 seems balanced around about 8 players per team and the further we get from that the more flaws we run in to.

but im glad we at least get the option to play that way if we want. unlike overwatch which falls under activisions my way or the highway experiment starting with diablo 3.

>>15801031

The joke is we didn't but someone did and it ended up being railroaded by TF2Cucks, one of them had actively been on tranny support subreddits and other gay shit. We took one look at that user and have used that as a veritable gauge since

>>15800976

Problem is that the game is meant for 32 players max. in the leaked 08 code, it has a comment basically saying "god help you if you try to cram 64 or more people on this shit in a single server"

I also think it's the designs of the map, the chokepoints alone are what make it unbearable.

>>15801011

Just in general. Not like new weapons for the classes is any better, but you can attempt to theme those around a give playstyle without having to worry about gimmicks to fit into an entirely new class.

>>15801051

its a completely different game once you get up to 12 players per team, a lot more roles open up in the best of cases, or it begins to turn into a slog of explosive spam but is not quite at the clusterbombfuck levels of 16 vs 16.

>>15801074

>call it pre-mannconomy

>include weapons from post-mannconomy

>exclude weapons from pre-mannconomy, not because you can't code them, but because you don't like them personally

too bad thats a fucking lie

theres a reason why tf2 classic has large following

>>15801084

I'll admit it is, smaller teams feel different. It also makes you feel the loss of a dead teammate and wait for them to respawn, versus a larger pool where a single dead teammate doesn't hurt as badly.

>>15801091

>reTORd

Granted I have to agree, warriors spirit and the polycount weapons feel like they aren't needed. Demoknight was originally the only thing planned to be skipped over because it so radically changed the class and took it away from what it was designed as.

Outside tie-ins and demoknight, the roadmap still has the pre-mannconomy weapons on it.

>>15801110

It doesn't anymore really, it also got coverage by youtubers and the like, where as vintage has grown simply through word of mouth alone.

>>15801091

In reality, it's more like a definitive version of TF2 than just pre-mannconomy at this point, the Vintage is a sort of leftover. It's no longer quite a pre-mannconomy TF2 as originally envisioned but more up to Australian Christmas, as that was the last update of decent weapons before they were gimmicks. The justification for no Demoknight was because the sword and board ruined his class from a demolition and explosive oriented class into a melee focused class. I don't see Demoknight as never ever but rather one of the last updated if not last mainly because the current developers would rather work on getting all of the other classes their sidegrades first than jumping in and drastically altering Demoman's loadout. TF2V is an open project so if you want content in TF2V quicker feel free to volunteer to help with C++ programming.

>>15801110

TF2 Classic has a large following not because of having a better game, but rather because they use their connections from Facepunch and e-celebs to get coverage. See how TF2008 got over a thousand people interested in only a fortnite just because they were connected to Facepunch while doing absolutely nothing new in the process and insulting their fanbase in the end. TF2V has been always an 8chan project and grows only by word of mouth on the imageboard for over a year and a half now, we have received close to no coverage outside of a channel or two with 100 subs at best hence the small following.

also

>discord

>>15799166

>>15800086

How can this be called Vintage if it has weapon loadouts?

Adding different weapons was the worst thing to ever happen to TF2, even before all the crate and key horse shit began. Most importantly it was patient zero for online trading and farming cancer that has directly led to the lootbox epidemic, but it was also dumb for gameplay reasons. I distinctly remember for a while the meta for Demoman was to ignore explosives and run around with the big sword because of its decent chance to instantly decapitate. How fucking retarded is that? Beyond dumb. Adding weapons to the game was the beginning of an awful chain of decisions and your mod is hardly worth a shit if you decided it was fine to include.

>>15801271

Vintage is the quality given to all pre-mannconomy weapons (and some post via bugs and crafting)

Hence the title. Have you played TF2V at all?

>>15801271

Just going to point out, just like the modularity of TF2V I mentioned above, this also applies to weapons as well. We have commands to either force stock content only or allow loadouts and again through the vote menus, as some people prefer to use them while others don't.

Servers can configure which weapons they want too, for example it's possible to force everyone to use only Frying Pans like Ready, Steady, Pan rules.

Just because the framework is there doesn't mean you are mandated to use it, the whole secondary objective of TF2V is again being able to customize TF2 how you want to play it.

>>15798942

you should share this technical data with as many influential faggots you can, including calling steam out directly on their forums, twitter, etc

it wouldn't hurt to attempt putting pressure on valve to get this shit under control

>>15801271

Demoknight was never meta, you dumbass. It was and still is a meme. Most classes in the game are still at their best when using their stock loadouts save for some discrepancies here and there like medic's primary and heavy's secondary/melee.

TF2 upon its release wasn't TF2 at its best, I would say a few updates here and there vastly improved the game. Of course current TF2 it's a disaster.

Europa Universalis III

It was literal trash in the beggining. It took them year. Better than a fuckin decade tho.

>>15798942

TF2 would probably also run alot better in a newer rendering engine and with proper multithreading, which it does on linux.

What they did to TF2 makes me so angry :(

>>15798181

The Original Soul Calibur when it was released on Dreamcast looked miles ahead of the arcade original