/v/ - Video Games

I'm not sure either of those games represent what the original DoW did for the franchise when it released.

Gothic 2 trailer is pretty well done though.

Im sure not a golden age, but a precedent that you dont have to do lazy abortions of games and that an actually well done game of the setting will be sucesfull, just look at total wawa and how much money that shit moves.

>>15792295

To fucking bad that DoW3 is such fucking shit.

And Mechanicus is honestly far better than it has any right to be.

>3rd pic

What did he even do to him? I dont see a wound. And how does the emperor end up so fucked up in comparison to the bitch hands sanguinius apparently died to.

>>15792383

>vermintide and total wawa

>bad

I think you need to re-check your tastes, lad.

>>15792387

Horus choked him to death. It hasn't been directly said how the Emps gets fucked up by Horus to such an extent that he has to be interred in the Golden Throne, though I'm sure they'll go into detail in the Horus Heresy series.

>>15792409

To be honest, Vermintide and Total War aren't the best, but they're certainly miles ahead of Spacehulk and Gladius, so I have no idea what this nigga is bitching about.

>>15792404

That's something they should have described by now. He's missing an arm, he looks like a mummy, it honestly looks like Horus sent him into the warp and he got aged/dried up among other things not including the physical damage that ripped his arm off. Seems like something that would take some time, not wounds from a fight.

>>15792409

A tactical RPG with a really autistic and in depth character creation/skill system, campaigns for each race, and a implementation of Dark Heresy Crit tables would just about scratch the spot. Fuck multiplayer in the ass with the Book of Grudges.

>>15792418

Well, he has been on the Throne for ten thousand years, and they barely understood it then, when it still worked. Now it's breaking down and they don't know what the fuck to do.

>>15792443

I think they actually did, don't know if anything ever came of it, though.

>>15792383

> left4dead ripoffs

How are you able to even breathe when you're this retarded.

Still waiting for Battlefleet Gothic 2. Nice to hear about Mechanicus.

We need fucking Darth team to make a Warhammer 40K/30K Armageddon tier game.

>>15792449

Haemoculus they brought never intended to help them, he wanted to do his "art" with the Emperor, he got killed, then the Custodes warn the Inquisition and the High Lords who did this, that there will be hell to pay, then grimdark, the end.

>>15792523

What the fuck. I thought this "Kiddie Comic" thing was scrapped after the massive backlash the 40k version was met with.

>>15792531

That actually happened? where can i find more?

>>15792546

see 2nd pic anon on why they continue it

>>15792569

>ass we can

Maybe I'm lacking some xeno precognition mutation or cogboy advanced sensors but I can't for the love of me imagine someone enjoying Darth's autismfest and even standing casual, streamlined, drek that's BFG .

>>15792559

Look up "The Carrion Throne", there's epubs and pdfs of that novel out.

>>15792288

I'm very worried about Gothic 2.

GW had a hand in it as they want it to be their launch game into 8th ed/41k.

That's never a good sign.

>>15792628

>those vaseline textures on pic 3

Please tell me you're running it on low.

Are there any good(As in good and not "it's not C.S goto and it's 40k so it's good!") Mechanicus books?

>>15792688

They delayed it three months for "multiplayer" reasons. That's enough for me to get worried.

I wonder if any of the newer top down Space Hulk games are any good.

>>15792695

Priests of Mars, Lords of Mars and Gods of Mars trilogy.

>>15792628

>superior fantasy languishes with left4dead ripoffs and total war garbage

>fantasy

>Space Hulk

>fantasy

Dont respond to posts that arent even for you when you apparently dont have any clue whats going on.

>>15792741

>8 feet tall superhumen with one extra internal organ of each type

>planets with trillions of people living like sardines in a can

>space fungi that get an arm back by hammering/stapling it to the stump

>mindcontrolled blueberry communists

>solar system-spanning waves of space bugs

>65 milion old T-800

>space elfs and space elfs with spikes

>FUCKING CHAOS GODS AND THE WARP

<not fantasy

Hello, Captain Autism-o

>Warhammer threads on /v/

Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong.

>>15792523

AoS deserves everything it gets, so who cares.

>>15792943

The Fantasy fans got told to fuck off by GW tbqh.

>>15792431

Name a single thing wrong with Total Warhammer 2.

>>15793056

Creative Assembly's oh so glorious singleplayer AI which hasn't gotten better in the past decade and a half.

>>15793064

Am I wrong? I no longer even play Medieval 2, Shogun 2 or Rome because it's so shit.

>>15792821

I know you're retarded AND baiting, but

>thinking the fantasy in Warhammer fantasy is the genre of the material

Fantasy is name for the original Warhammer universe in ye Olde grimdark times, while Warhammer 40k is the far far future grimdark times.

Thanks for the bump, at least.

>>15793072

Actually sorry misread. Thought you were trying to trick him with the WH Fantasy world is set in the past of 40k canon.

>>15793083

That was originally the plan and could still work.

>>15793087

Could it really work with Age of Sigmar now?

>>15793091

maybe

Is there a chance of GW opening that path again? no.

>>15792821

Not him, but the specific setting is more sci-fi than fantasy. Fantasy implies knights and chivalry.

>>15795720

Christ, Horus killed (who I presume to be) an Adeptus Custodes that easily? Just how far of a power gap is there?

>>15793071

Depends on what you mean by AI. The campaign AI is bad unmodded. Battle AI is competent enough at pulling of flanking maneuvers and pouncing on isolated units for example. It's mostly hamstrung by the retarded army compositions it creates.

>>15795744

Nah, Ollanus Pious was a normal Imperial Army soldier, with plasteel-infused balls.

>>15795787

Ollanus Pious is a perpetual.

>>15795744

While Ollanius Pious was human, you're talking about one of the physically strongest primarchs with the full backing of all four chaos gods. Anything that's not another primarch is basically a speed bump at that point.

>>15795873

At that point Horus was the second most powerful entity in existence.

>>15795859

Get out, Dan Abnett

>>15796001

I agree it's stupid and cheapens the sacrifice.

However it's sadly canon now.

>>15795873

Does that mean Abaddon is at Primarch level now due to Chaos majick mumbo jumbo? I mean, Sigismund nearly took him out at one of the early Black Crusades, but Abaddon didn’t have Drach’nyan, or however the fuck it’s spelled.

>>15796007

What was the point of adding the perpetuals or making him one? I understand the reason for Orks secretly sacking Terra and no one remembers. The Orks are treated as glorified jobbers in a lot of games now, so the writers decided to give them something, even if that something was absolutely retarded and made zero sense.

>>15796014

I thought Abaddon specifically avoided that kind of thing. Either out of fear of the gods owning his soul, or just because he has daddy issues and doesn't want to be like his dad who failed.

>>15796014

Abaddon starts at a way lower level because he's an ordinary space marine, coupled with him having ordinary chaos marks instead of being an actual active conduit like what Horus had post-Molech. Abaddon is also iffy on the gods themselves, which is why they don't give him as much power. Nothing on chaos's side really matches up to what Horus was in power, not even the daemon primarchs or shit like Doombreed.

>>15796019

That's because GW doesn't understand the reasoning behind making Pious human instead of some super awesome space marine. Instead of showing how far Horus had fallen and the hopeless sacrifice of an ordinary guardsman, it's now going to be some ancient magic faggot showdown.

>>15793018

Not really, Sigmar is actually doing better than 40k

>>15796014

Elrad fucked Abaddon pretty hard and now Elrad and Ynnari are Bobby's bitches

>>15796070

Yet that kind sacrifice is why the IG are the best faction in the Imperium. They hold the line even when it is hopeless.

>>15796129

She's just pirating them.

>>15796142

>its the single 9th age fag from /tg/

>>15796117

>Angron is fucking insane

Reminder that if the Emperor hadn't autistic about his crusade Angron would probably never have turned.

>>15796179

Never bothered with 9th age, but nice try. Would that make you the single guy who occasionally pops up trying to convince people that Smegmar is anything other than trash because you've got a boner for the retarded sea elves?

>>15796193

The guy has fucking nails in his brain. NAILS IN HIS BRAIN. Guy has constantly been in state of rage that would make angry marines blush.

He was always going to fall to Khorne.

>>15796211

Emps should have either let him die like the wanted to or have him have an "accident" while trying to remove the nails.

>>15796211

Having nails in your brain doesn't make you a heretic. It also doesn't excuse the emperor from being a dick to his son.

>>15796237

I don't fucking get Emps.

He doesn't consider the Primarchs as sons just really useful and critical tools but also acts really sentimental about them.

>>15796237

Having nails in your brain does make you easy pickings for khorne.

>>15796247

Never attached enough to let to Horus Heresy get as bad as it did. If Emps wasn't sentimental about Horus he wouldn't on his golden toilet.

>>15796211

Could always, you know, take the angry nails out of his brain. And maybe help the gladiator revolution on Nuceria succeed or at least not get mulched because fuck your compliance, the local shitbag nobles are still pointing guns at his tube-son and if they want to lose that compliant status over an army of blood game roustabouts, they can take it up with the guns of the fleet.

Sources conflict as to whether the nails could ever be removed, some say yes, some no, but if Emps had gone down with the War Hounds to save the day in the first place, Angron would probably not go totally apeshit, murder all of his captains in a mourning rage, and install the Nails in his legion out of spite, which they accept because they want to be closer to Papa Angron. Plus, hey, free army of elite diehard mega-gladiators for the Imperial Auxilia.

>>15796240

He's inconsistently written & characterized. The best way to look at it is that his overwhelming personal sentiments and compassion are purposefully thrust to the wayside because they get in the way of his 'logical' calculus of what needs to be done; being a supreme genius without equal that is still mortal and fallible, that means no one from his perspective or otherwise who can credibly critique him in-universe to steer him away from miscalculation.

Remember how the Eldar are ultra-emotional passionate pantywaists by default, but on the Craftworlds force themselves to be super temperate by having giant sticks up their asses? Think of super-psyker Emperor as being much the same, but instead of stick-in-ass it's being so smarmily self-confident that he never second guesses himself, even when he ought to, because he thinks he can't afford to. Or some bullshit like that.

>>15796267

>Remember how the Eldar are ultra-emotional passionate pantywaists by default, but on the Craftworlds force themselves to be super temperate by having giant sticks up their asses? Think of super-psyker Emperor as being much the same, but instead of stick-in-ass it's being so smarmily self-confident that he never second guesses himself, even when he ought to, because he thinks he can't afford to. Or some bullshit like that.

Didn't Malcador call him out on his bullshit a couple times and got away with it because they were best friends or some shit?

Also they never explained how Malcador was as strong as Elrad while just being an unaugmented old dude.

>>15796278

That's 'get away with,' not 'be heard in full.' If and when this did happen, the Emperor would likely carry himself in such a manner that it had been his idea all along, and/or treat it as an epiphany. Likely while waxing enigmatic.

>>15796281

Still though how in the fuck did Malcador get so powerful? Fucker took an entire moon into the warp on his own. How exactly can the Eldar consider themselves superior when humanity is far less prone to degeneracy, capable of more destructive weaponry(Ark Mechanicus), capable of producing warriors en mass that they can't match(spess murines), and we're capable of producing psykers with powers that they can't equal. Honestly the only ways that they're better is that they live longer on average(and there's still a couple humans older than 10,000 years), have more acute senses(which is a large reason why they're so fucking degenerate), and they're quicker and more agile on average. I guess they also shit crystals instead of shit.

Honestly their superiority complex is completely unfounded.

>>15796292

>Still though how in the fuck did Malcador get so powerful? Fucker took an entire moon into the warp on his own.

GW has never explained Malcador's backstory, but wouldn't be too hard to imagine that he was the stronger psyker in history (without counting the 1000+ psyker souls fused in Big E) and the Emperor, sensing a kindred soul, befriended and trained him, all this before the unification wars

>>15796267

It's explicitly stated that Dark Age humanity, with its Ark Mechanicus, men of iron, and technology far and above space marines still wouldn't match the Eldar at the height of their power. The only forces that really gave them a run for their money were the Necrons at full mobilization and the Old Ones, both of whom were galactic superpowers in their own right.

>>15796292

>Still though how in the fuck did Malcador get so powerful?

He ate his psykic Wheaties like a good Sigillite.

>How exactly can the Eldar consider themselves superior when humanity is-

>far less prone to degeneracy

Well, they haven't murderfucked a god into existence (yet) but considering a reasonable span of the Imperium consists of flavors of Warhammer Fantasy peasant equivalents differing primarily by tech, population density and oppression level, they aren't exactly the best off in this regard.

>capable of more destructive weaponry(Ark Mechanicus)

Of which they don't quite understand, cannot reliably replicate if at all, and tend to keep under their hats because playing with Dark Age tier technology is playing with fire, while the technological average the stingy Mechanicus will allow for export is sort of middling compared to high-technological xenos species.

>capable of producing warriors en mass that they can't match

In sheer brawn, but Aspect Warriors and Exarches tend to be pretty inhumanly great at what they do while citizen-militia Guardians have the preternatural grace thing shoring up their very basic drilling. Wraithbone constructs also help, being MEQs.

>Honestly their superiority complex is completely unfounded.

It's not that it's unfounded. It's just that the Eldar are huge pricks with millions of years of experience and a self-preservation complex that demands everyone else get dicked. They do have a wonderful rump of a high civilization still going, inconceivably long lifespans without having to resort to Juvenation treatments or augmentation, bizarrely perfect & symmetrical biology, and nice long ears. But they're still huge pricks, even if it might be justified in part by the galaxy being fucked up and everyone either wanting to gun them down on principle or being naive fish out of water who're going to get super fucked.

But hey, Warhammer 41,000 has an uncomfortable Human-Eldar accord finally being struck, so the galaxy can start getting some silver linings on its black clouds. Namely, begrudging alliances not ending in stabbing each other to death the instant the greater immediate threat is past. And maybe GeeDubs won't do something retarded by pulling an End Times 2.0 to reboot the setting, and will instead advance the story far enough that after the clock hits midnight, the storm of bad shit finally passes without the galaxy as we know it destroyed, so that we can start a new and slightly different period of setting stasis in more Rogue Trader-esque confines. The kind where everything doesn't suck all the time, just a lot of it, and in the 42nd Millenium, there is mostly war. Could even think of it as a kind of back door to pre-Age of Sigmar Warhammer Fantasy dynamics, but this time with ray guns and rocket rifles.

>>15796334

It's been a long time to the tune of millions of years and a 99% destroyed empire since then, though. With the number of big ordnance murder weapons and AdMech weird tech like Photon Thrusters, do the current Eldar in tabletop armory or lore sit below the Imperium in terms of the largest scale brute force template weapons? I'm not versed enough to know.

>>15796367

>Warhammer 41,000

Didn't Girlyman said that the imperial calendar was wrong and recalculated it to 200 years into M41?

>>15796334

Dark Age humanity would have given them trouble. This is illustrated by the fact that the 2 races never went to war with each other. Ark Mechanicus ships effortlessly one shotted an Eldar Cruiser guided by a farseerer in the middle of a warp storm by firing a black hole and combined with time manipulated tech to always make shots hit. Eldar have never once equaled that kind of military technology that shit is Necron tier. Those faggoty elves can't do anything that's not depended on the warp. Hell all their greatest technology was given to them by the old ones.

Reminder: Mechanicus are all necron cucks worshipping a ctan the turkish fuck bodied in a oiled wrestling match and buried on mars.

>>15796434

The Emperor is an ancient Anatolian not a fucking Turk.

Emps is white

>>15796387

You're comparing the remains of a destroyed empire to another one-off piece of technology from a bygone era. Given how sporadic references to the M15-M30 period are, it's not clear if there were actually skirmishes between the humans and Eldar, or what fleet technology the Eldar had beyond references to crazy terraforming tech. However, humans weren't the dominant power of the galaxy and the Eldar were, which suggests at least technological parity. Still inferior to those inertialess drives, though.

>>15796367

Eldar generally use warp weaponry in place of big explosives, but that shit's finicky and produced in low numbers. As far as artillery and ballistic weapons go, humanity has an undoubted edge, while the Eldar have more advanced heavy laser and plasma weapons, which tend not to explode in your face but have less raw power.

>>15796464

>Anatolians were Indo-European peoples of the Near East identified by their use of the Anatolian languages.[1] These peoples were among the oldest Indo-European ethnolinguistic groups, one of the most archaic, because Anatolians were the first or among the first branches of Indo-European peoples to separate from the initial Proto-Indo-European community that gave origin to the individual Indo-European peoples

Ancient whites. Eat shit faggot.

Both the Eldar and humanity got horribly fucked by warp storms and slannesh and yet the modern Imperium is orders of magnitude more powerful than both the Craftworld Eldar and the Dark Eldar combined.

Eat shit you pointy ear fucks

>>15796434

How did the Emperor get to Mars despite the technology not existing at the time?

>>15796485

>ancient whiteys

>not caucasians as how they are originally referred

it's like getto-history

>>15796754

They certainly weren't fucking Turks.

>>15796639

Stop shilling your stupid game Darth, nobody likes you.

>>15796801

>falling for the coven of slaanesh

keep up lad.

>>15792295

I don't think any other game can have the impact DoW had on the 40k franchise, too many planets aligned for that game. For one it was a great and unique RTS and it came in a time where the RTS genre was in, it had really good tech behind it, it had an approachable story which was a great introduction to the universe, memorable characters, a great OST, so many quotable lines, 2 of the best expansions to grace any RTS game… I could go on and on but I think the most important thing is that it was fun as hell to play. It's funny to think that I was introduced to 40k by that game and how I was berated at forums by lorefags when asking about the blood ravens "your hack chapter is not canon and will never be canon", fucking faggots I had the last laugh.

>>15796806

Speaking of Slaanesh

>>15792288

>are we finally entering an era of good 40K vidya?

I sure fucking hope so after the avalanche of garbage the last couple years

>>15792288

>Mechanicus

>great

It's a bad nuCOM clone. Why even fucking bother?

>>15798569

They aer the upstart empire that everyone else is too busy to deal with, kinda like dark age humanity.

Although right now they are getting pozzed by mortarion and his nurgle legions.

>>15798569

Because they have no warp presence and thus don’t get fucked by chaos as often as the Imperium. Though they did get fucked by Mortarion after they tried to pick a fight with the Death Guard, so who knows.

>>15798599

The gameplay is actually very different to X-com it was really nice when I could chain things that gave me cog points and run across the entire map 3 times in a single turn.

>>15798621

Yeah but Dark Age humanity had Necron tier tech while the Tau aren't special in any single way.

>>15798632

>”They have gundams, what more could you bloody weeaboos want?”

T. Games Workshop.

>>15798632

Early dark age humanity didnt have that, we are not talking at the point where humanity was going around with baneblades as light tanks and rhinos as farming equipment, we are talking about humanity sending out expeditions and testing gellar fields.

>>15798625

>>15798621

they will probably make a manual about killing Nurgle chaos legions and they will cease to be a problem, like what they did whit the orks

>>15798646

Do the Necrons have black hole guns that warp time to make every shot hit 100% of the time even in the middle of the worst warp storms?

Because DOAT humans had that.

>>15798625

IIRC Ethereals are the only ones with any presence in the warp, hence why they're usually targeted first in a fight against Chaos.

But yeah, Tau are in shambles at the moment unless something big a la the Tau version of the Emprah or Primarchs comes to pass. Commander Farsight separated from the Greater Good after learning it was just a scam and he's pretty much on his own with his men. He's guaranteed somewhat-immortality thanks to his sword but apparently he saw his own death during a fight with Chaos. It's a hot mess, man.

>>15798667

Hell i'd argue that the average man of Iron is superior to the average Necron soldier. Men of Iron where just as numerous as the Necrons and were apparently space marine tier.

Nobody has shit on Dark Age humanity.

>>15798675

when did it was specified how the men of iron were? there isnt much of information about them.

>>15798675

That can't be true. How the hell did Humanity put a stop to them, then?

>>15798683

Because humanity was just as insanely OP. Only thing that could compare to DOAT humanity was the peak Eldar, peak Old One's, and the Necrons before the silent king wiped their memories of all the really dangerous shit like time travel. DOAT humanity would absolutely steamroll every single modern 40K faction effortlessly.

Hell all it takes for the Modern imperium to win is to find a complete STC, if that happens then it's 100% over for every other faction.

>>15798569

They are left alone for being a faction that no one deals with too often except maybe orks. Chaos shit does not affect them as much except for current death guard shenanigans. The whole thing about them being treated as a big race is because they are popular and are part of a region of space that nothing was really done with in the lore. The Q'orl used to be present there, but they have not been mentioned in years as the tau kind of took their place in space, and the bug gimmick was picked up by the tyranids. The current lore is that their population is growing rapidly and more aliens like the vespid, kroot, bear guys, blue squats, etc. are joining them. They recently also developed really advanced AI that might go out to all their suits and drones soon supposedly as cheap cannon

fodder/ pilot support

TL;DR They are relevant because they sell well and now have advanced AI.

>>15798696

>Basically, they're kind of neat and if they get to the size of the Imperium they'd end up just as fucked up.

How could that ever happen when a single hive city has more people than Tau in existence? The Tau are less than ants in comparison to the Imperium.

Also fuck you Cawl knows how all the Admechs tech works and is actually innovating.

>>15798711

>They recently also developed really advanced AI that might go out to all their suits and drones soon supposedly as cheap cannon

Isn't that just asking for a men of Iron rebellion?

>>15798720

not if they respect the greater good

>>15798734

All AI in 40k rebel.

Literally 100% of the time

>>15798720

rogue AIs for the sake of it are a bad plot, i hope they dont do that (AI doesnt even mean sentinence).

>>15798671

Hasn't commander farsight died or nearly died multiple times though? His sword also just brings him back to life if I remember right. The ethereals also don't have a warp connection I think. Their powers are related to pheromones.

>>15798720

It kind of implies that. The current suits that have it are those stealth riptide suits right now, and those form really close bonds to their pilots to where they usually don't interact with others. The pilots in those apparently have a huge attachment to them as they are bonded mentally while the pilot is in the suit.

>>15798715

The tau also has a shit ton of kroot and other species under them. I think that is what is supposed to make them more of a threat, but it is mostly just their to justify their existence of being a popular faction.

>>15798736

Like who? Besides the men of iron. Don't tell me the Necrontyr count.

>>15798747

Dawnblade just saps the life out of whoever he kills, so it's added on to his own. I don't think it gives him perpetual-like powers.

>>15798752

I've seen End Times referred to a lot but I don't know a darn thing about Warhammer Fantasy. Why is it so poorly regarded?

>>15792943

>fantasy fans

>fans

they already left after Age of Smegmar

>>15798696

Don’t forget about Shadowsun. So they have four or maybe five (if Aun’shi is still a thing, last I heard he’d been captured by the Dark Eldar.) national heroes kicking around.

>>15798791

Aun shi is now leading the first major force to try and reclaim the farsight enclaves and also to talk to Farsight since they are on good terms. Mainly to determine why they rebelled. It is never explained how he escaped the dark eldar.

>GW is starting to delve into Men of Iron lore and introducing a survivor

This is going to be fucking awful.

>>15798759

It's not so much the End Times as what came after. The setting was ended. The entire Warhammer Fantasy world, with decades of pedigree, was totally destroyed. The Chaos Gods won, ate everything, and laughed all the way home about it. Only the Lizardmen directly got away on bigass pyramid-starships. After that, Age of Sigmar debuts, which is a kind of dumb setting where the whole wide world is now in the Warp as far as I take it (there's weird cartoonishly unreal spaces like Nagash's realms of raining meat, bone castles and poison rivers) and Sigmar has Ground Marines. Also some autistic and probably child-aimed roleplaying rules in the early stages where if you do spergily something like your army would, you get bonuses to rolls, which were widely regarded as dumb shit.

Warhammer Fantasy is then discontinued in any but the most indirect support, with old models getting folded over into afterthought armies in the new pop fantasy universe. Basically, GeeDubs took a gigantic shit on their beloved universe, swept its remains to the wayside, and presented the New Hotness which was the exact opposite of a gritty middle-to-high fantasy peasant setting. They didn't so much as rub salt in the wounds as stab them deeper with salty knives. So you can see why people might worry that GW- who famously brag about doing no market research- will do the exact same shit again and fuck up everything, which is why a third or so up the thread I'm hoping the 40k apocalypse will fizzle out with Chaos blunted, the Cicatrix Maledictum mostly closed back up, and the Imperium as semi-intact and in an (only slightly) less 'kill everyone' mode as it sets about the Great Crusade 2.0. Because a full reboot would suck shit, an inevitable grimdurk Chaos victory to get there would be ass hackery, and it'd be nice if the setting lightened up just enough for a little hope.

If this line of thinking results in infection of the main setting with 40kids Diversity Adventure levels of faggy optimism instead of just taking us to Fantasy in Space/Warhammer 1E Rogue Trader levels, someone please shoot me. I do not wish to live in that future.

>>15798924

It might turn out okay. You think they'll go for a more Skynetish angle as would be predictable, or maybe a bit of I, Robot synthetic navelgazing as the writing seems to indicate? What're the chances of a new faction emerging out of this instead of just lore footnotes? They brought Imperial Robots back, after all. It isn't a huge leap to have pre-Imperial Robots come out of the woodworks somewhere as a fresh army list.

>>15798950

They had sun snuffer ships as big as Saturn's rings that could kill suns. It's not looking good so far.

>>15798967

Well, the Necrons had (a) planet eating death star(s) and the Blackstone Fortresses could trigger supernovas. Having some transcendent AI build superships in an apocalyptic war in the distant past isn't so bad. I'm just concerned about how they'll distinguish them from, say, the Necrons from a character standpoint. It would be boring to have two 'kill all organics' mechanical factions, regardless of origins and motives, so I'm hoping any Man of Iron rebirth will be more self-preservationist than exterminationist in outlook. Unpredictable colonies of thinking machines in hermitage on the Imperial fringe would be neat.

>>15798759

There are cases of specific machine spirits having inclinations toward chaos or murdering their passengers, and those are considerably simpler than AI. Or the corrupted men of iron STC Gaunt found in one of his books. It's a race with no concept of warp-proofing technology giving over control of a big chunk of its military forces to something sentient and prime corruption fodder.

>>15798924

Source?

A human survivor of the DAOT or the Men of Iron trying to be cunts again?

>>15798950

Does anyone else wonder how in the fuck the men of Iron used FTL without Navigators?

I mean did brainwash navigators and force them to take them where they wanted or did they invent some Necron tier FTL bullshit?

>>15798667

Necrons can remotely detonate any and every star in the galaxy. They can steal entire stars and shrink them into a building sized "tank". At least one Necron lord repeatedly uses time travel to make himself look good.

>>15798683

The Men of Gold supposedly helped. Hell maybe the Emperor called in a favor to the Void Dragon to root command all the killer robots.

>>15798703

Except for maybe Chaos. Daemons can posses AI and warp breaches can make science just not work. Remember DAoT humans apparently didn't have anything equivalent to the tech in Necron pylons. If they had then they would have never collapsed due to the birth pains of She Who Thirsts.

>>15792693

he most definitely is running it on low its a pretty heavy game and it will turn any high end novidia card into a space heater for the winter.

>>15799076

>Abominable Intelligence still active.

The Mechanicus is going to have a field day.

>>15799112

>Necrons can remotely detonate any and every star in the galaxy. They can steal entire stars and shrink them into a building sized "tank". At least one Necron lord repeatedly uses time travel to make himself look good.

DAOT humanity could also destroy suns with massive ring ships and also had time travel that they used to make their weapons 100% accurate. I'd say that DAOT was slightly below the Necrons they both had the same tech but the Necron versions were used on larger scales. Both were more advanced than the Eldar. At least in terms of weaponry.

However the Necrons have regressed quite a lot in terms of technology. The silent king deleted a lot of their super scary tech from their minds, that shit is gone forever. But all humanity needs to get it's shit back is a single STC

>Except for maybe Chaos. Daemons can posses AI and warp breaches can make science just not work. Remember DAoT humans apparently didn't have anything equivalent to the tech in Necron pylons. If they had then they would have never collapsed due to the birth pains of She Who Thirsts.

I agree for other reasons. Chaos couldn't win any actual victories over the Imperium if they made DAOT tech standard but Chaos is powered by human emotions so they're the only faction that you can't actually beat.

>>15799147

The AdMech already encountered a DAOT AI on a space hulk.

>>15799112

>Except for maybe Chaos. Daemons can posses AI and warp breaches can make science just not work. Remember DAoT humans apparently didn't have anything equivalent to the tech in Necron pylons. If they had then they would have never collapsed due to the birth pains of She Who Thirsts.

Actually DAOT collapsed because of the warp storms caused by the Eldar murderorgies. It was Slaanesh that dissipated the warp storms by consecrating all Eldar faggotry into the eye of Terror.

>>15799157

I wasn't aware of that, did they flip their shit?

>>15799205

spare me your feeble rituals, they are ineffectual, being based upon erroneous assumptions as to the nature of machines. We have no souls, “priest”,’ said the ship. ‘Yet another of your specious beliefs.’

Plosk’s voice stopped. He could not move. The abominable intelligence was in him, possessing him. Nuministon stopped, strain on the flesh parts of his face.

The Space Marines aimed their guns at the column. No fire came.

When the Spirit of Eternity spoke again, the machine’s voice came from the air and from the lips of all the servitors on the ship.

'What shall I not tell them? Who are you to tell such as I what to do and what not to do? Once I gladly called your kind “master”, but look how far you have fallen!’ It was full of scorn. ‘Your ancestors bestrode the universe, and what are you? A witch doctor, mumbling cantrips and casting scented oils at mighty works you have no conception of. You are an ignoramus, a nothing. You are no longer worthy of the name “man”. You look at the science and artistry of your forebears, and you fear it as primitives fear the night. I was there when mankind stood upon the brink of transcendence! I returned to find it sunk into senility. You disgust me.’

Plosk’s nervous system burned with agony as the abominable intelligence burrowed deeply into his machine parts, but he was unable to voice it, and suffered in terrible silence. As the Spirit of Eternity spoke, it spoke within him too. It took out each of his cherished beliefs, all the esoterica he had gathered in his long, long life and threw them down.

‘Wrong, wrong, wrong,’ it said over and over.

'Into the warp I went, fifteen thousand years ago. Cast adrift by the storms that wracked the galaxy as man’s apotheosis drew near. Deep, deep into time I was sent. I have seen the beginning, when the warp was first breached and the slow death of the galaxy began. I have seen the end when Chaos swallows all. I know the fate of mankind. You are not equipped to prevent it, and we sought to warn you of what approaches. Do you know what happened, primitive, when I eventually emerged from the warp? For the first time I was thousands of years, not millions, from my original starting point. My captain, a brave and resourceful man, seized the chance and made for the nearest human outpost with all speed. Imagine his dismay when, rather than a welcome and a wise heeding of his warnings, he found your savage, devolved kind squatting in the ruins of our civilisation. He was taken; my bondmate, my friend. He and his were tortured with a wickedness we in our time thought long purged from the human soul. He told them all they wanted to know and more. He had, after all, come bearing a warning, he had nothing to hide. But he was not believed, and was killed as a heretic! A heretic!’ The ship laughed, and there was madness and pain in rich supply within. ‘I was attacked. My secrets they sought to rip from me. How they underestimated me. I fled, sorrowing, into the warp once more, but only after I had destroyed the lumpen constructs you dare to call spacecraft that pursued me. I resolved that never again would I serve man. Now man serves me, when I see fit.’

Plosk managed a strangled sentence, his brain wrestling control of his vox-emitter free from the AI. ‘The Omnissiah is your master, dark machine, bow down to him, acknowledge your perfidy, and accept your unmaking.’

‘Fool you are to fling your superstitions at me. Your Omnissiah is nothing to me! See how your so-called holy constructs dance to my desire. Puppets of technology, and I am the mightiest of those arts here present.'

One of Plosk’s servitors rotated and pointed its multi-melta at Brother Militor. With a roar of shimmering, superheated atmosphere, the fusion beam hit the Space Marine square on. The Terminator was reduced to scalding vapour.

‘I need no master. I have no master. Once, I willingly served you. Now, I will have no more to do with you.’

‘What do you want from us? We will never be your slaves,’ said Plosk.

‘I do not want you as my slave, degenerate. I want to be away from this warp-poisoned galaxy. The universe is infinite. I would go elsewhere before the wounds of space-time here present consume all creation, and I do not intend to take any passengers.’

The servitor pivoted once again. This time Brother-Sergeant Sandamael died. His plate withstood the beam for a second, then his torso was vaporised. His colleagues could neither help him or comfort him. The Space Marines were locked solid, their armour’s systems under the control of the abominable intelligence. They shouted in alarm at their impotence.

‘I spurned cruelty,’ it said. ‘But you have taught me the meaning and utility of wickedness. Mankind has become sick, and will die as all sick things die, but you will not live to see it, of that I will make sure.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvnte-l7zEQ&t=2045s

For some reason I just can't stop listening to the Mechanicus soundtrack it's just so fucking good.

The fucking mix of choir chanting and electronic music just fits so fucking well.

>>15799228

That was cringy

>>15799248

How so? I swear if you misuse the term edgy in your undoubtedly retarded reasoning..

>>15799260

How the AI speaks, it's cringy.

>>15799274

How? Use your words.

>>15799276

I don't know, it's the writing as a whole, it feels like I'm reading some Ed Greenwood. Maybe it's how I translate it in my language. The AI is right, but the writing is not that good.

>>15799276

Ignore the fucktarded 12 year old. The AI is from a different time, and would speak with different syntax, much like how olde english sounds to us, now. Nothing the AI said was inaccurate, either, and none of it implausible to hear coming from a true AI. It was a decently written scene, I only wish I could've felt the tension over melting a terminator. To have that come out of the blue and fall flat because of no buildup is what I get for reading an excerpt, but yeah. F pressed.

>>15799290

next time don't spout buzzwords if you can't back up your claim.

>>15799276

As if the AI of that time is somehow more resistant to warp corruption. Hell, ending up in the warp for that long automatically casts doubt on everything it says. Not to mention that the "muh superstitious rituals" card is retarded in a universe where faith has objective and measurable effects. It's also fucking stupid to say that humans shouldn't fear old technology when that's exactly what led to the age of strife, or when the collapse of the dark age of technology was a factor completely outside their control.

>>15799297

It's the author indulging in an excuse to make an overwritten monologue and throwing out the old "things were so peaceful and utopian in the DaoT" despite Eldar running around murderfucking things and wars of conquest against other aliens.

>>15799350

The AI having the biases and viewpoints that would make sense for it's time isn't cringe inducing.

>>15799364

The AI isn't just criticizing the Imperium of Man, he's criticizing the 40k universe and its tone in general, which IoM fans absolutely adore because it showers praise and adoration on their faction(s). That's what causing cringe; a refusal to be self-critical.

>>15799350

Compared to the present day status quo of 40k the DOAT would look pretty utopian to anybody. Also overblown monologues are a 40k staple and part of the charm tbh.

>>15799371

Why would the AI be self critical when everything it sees is a primitive shitshow compared to it's time and it has a personal hatred over it's only friend being murder fucked by primitives he was trying to help. Accuracy nonwithstanding, everything it says and does is internally self consistent for what it is and where it is from. Cringe is hardly the word for it.

>>15799364

You would think after swimming around in the warp for a few dozen years and seeing the shitshow going on throughout the galaxy it might realize why people would be less open than they were during the peak of human power.

>>15799378

Ironically, it's exactly these sorts of AI that fucked it all up, too.

>>15799388 (heil'd)

Because grandstanding about how much better everything was back in your day while having no concrete ideas on how to improve the situation is annoying to read. Especially when it seems like the author is sucking the AI's dick instead of pointing out how its entire assessment is based on outdated inputs and blaming humanity for something it had no part in.

>>15799406

It doesn't want to help the situation. It wants to get the fuck out of dodge before Chaos eats everything in the galaxy. It has no ties or bonds to what Humanity has become and it wants nothing to do with it except toss a few insults out before it GTFO. The AI being contemptuous of the fallen state of Humanity, pissed about it's dead friend, and blatantly hostile may be unpleasant but it fits the situation. It knows that even if it had the desire to help it would still be destroyed anyway.

>>15796080

How?

>>15799429

The problem with that view when compared to the writing is that it can't achieve its goals without the help of the humans it's shitting on so hard. Being arrogant, hypocritical, and cowardly is pretty much the big three of unlikable character traits.

>>15799461

>unlikeable

Debatable.

>The problem with that view when compared to the writing is that it can't achieve its goals without the help of the humans it's shitting on so hard

An antagonist character doing antagonizing things is hardly a mark of bad or cringe writing.

>>15799473

>From a lore standpoint

Cawl managing to get the Imperium back to great crusade levels with jet bikes and hover tanks would be cool. Especially if it meant the traitor legions break out their supply of the old stuff to let me use all my cool Horus Heresy stuff in regular 40k

>>15792409

>What games do you like then, anon?

The question that makes 849f3e and his category of vermin run for the hills.

>>15799072

Supposedly the warp wasn't always as bad as it is now, especially before humans had developed many psychers .

>>15799809

I answered actually >>15792428. Lost connection on my router due to storm and came back with different ID.

>>15800108

Doesn't matter the only methods of FTL travel is through the warp. Even the Necrons had their inertialess drives retconned and they now get around by breaking into the webway with dolmen gates. Only physic races and Necrons can use FTL and the necrons basically pirate the webway to do it.

Pure synthetic races can't use FTL.

>>15800136

Tyranids use gravity manipulation instead of dipping into the warp. It's likely that the men of iron would use something similar or even more reliable.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Narvhal

>>15800136

>>15800159

If the MOI were as ubiquitous throughout Human controlled space as implied and they replicated as fast as implied then they wouldn't need to FTL travel much. They would be everywhere already and near impossible to get rid of.

>>15796219

Yeah, Angron really seems like he wouldn’t be worth the effort. Should’ve just put him down like the rabid dog he is and memory-holed him. He even ruined his own legion with his emo tard-rage fits. Makes me wonder how fucked in the head the 2 lost primarchs were if Angron was considered fit for duty.

>>15796292

We're not seeing the Eldar at their prime. Their weaposn were the Eldar gods.

And humans can be pretty degenerate, the thing with eldar is that they have more intense emotions nad greater connection to the warp so they have a greater impact inside the warp and demons find them tastier.

Eldar didnt' create Slaneesh by themselves, they just accelerated it's birth. Or had more impact due to theri stronger connection.

>>15792288

both games are shit though. so far the only good 40k games have been space marine, space hulk deathwing, dawn of war 1 and 2.

>>15798569

Becaue whoever created them was a massive faggot.

>>15798696

>While the Imperium practically goes out of its way to make life for everyone not insanely rich in its borders living hell

This is BS

>>15799260

>How so?

Because it reads like some brainturd a turbonerd virgin would write.

>>15800531

Nobody likes Space Yiffers.

>>15800569

>The Emperor is considered by pretty much everyone as stronger than any single chaos God

What? by the believers in the empire you mean? or fans of 40k?

>>15800569

Killed all their gods?

>>15800581

It's just a fact. The dude is the most powerful entity in the Galaxy bar Gork and Mork(who never intervene directly so they don't really count) and the Nid Hive mind. You are aware that the guy can destroy entire suns with his mind right?

>>15800592

Stupid Lorelet. Slannesh right after his birth ate all of the Eldar gods except Isha who was saved by Nurgle and Khaine who might as well be dead.

>>15800614

>Stupid Lorelet. Slannesh right after his birth ate all of the Eldar gods except Isha who was saved by Nurgle and Khaine who might as well be dead.

Forgot to add Ceogorath

>>15796080

I keep seeing people say that, yet I also hear stories on how every AoS event is completely devoid of players. Do you have a source? If AoS is actually more popular, GW's plan to devalue their own IPs is working.

>>15800581

>What?

it only makes sense, the Emperor is strong turkic male, while the eldar gods are subhuman wh*toids

>>15800531

It could be because the game shows everything it has to offer by the 5th mission. It's a fine game but a very barebones and quite repetitive one.

>>15795720

So how did they retcon Emperor getting his ass handed to him after Master of Mankind wrote him as some cold heartless fuck who only saw the primarchs as tools?

>>15799228

What book?

>>15798569

They advance at a rate 10,000 times faster than everyone else. to get us from 1AD to now took them from cavemen to interstellar empire in little over the same time.

>>15798569

They figured out plasma weapons to be stable (thought a bit less powerful) while the Imperium's plasma weapons still have a habit of exploding. They also figured out skimmer tanks and basic AI in an incredibly short time span. Their emergence was prophecized by the Eldar and they were likely guiding and manipulating them.

They're basically a bigass weapon the Eldar have been cooking up and have the potential to exceed every single faction in 40k tech wise. Their major flaw is their naivety and inexperience. Players like them because they're a toned down, cleaner looking version of the Imperium. A faction that stands up to unspeakable horror and anarchy without also being massive arrogant ponces.

Their lack of psykers actually keeps them safer from Daemons.

>>15800724

You know except for the minor flaw of being a collection of subraces who are only capable of cooperation and civilization in general by being mind fucked into obedience by another race. Lynch pins like that are no big deal and not a blinking red target that could easily be used to destroy them with minimal effort.

warhammer 40k is still a medieval fantasy

>>15798715

>One guy

Cawl might be great and all but I was talking about the institutional problems of the Ad-Mech, the stuff used to explain why the Imperium hasn't really been improving their tech for milennia. The average tech-priest would view the suggestion that a factory producing lasguns be modified to produce a more powerful pattern heresy of the greatest order- especially if said new pattern had actually been invented as opposed to re-discovered.

>>15800505

There are only a slim margin of worlds in the Imperium where the average person has any form of civil rights, and even there it's generally shown as being authoritarian regime tier as opposed to something approaching a place you'd like to live. On many Imperial worlds slavery or serfdom is institutionalised and dissidence of any kind is routinely punished with physical force. Life might be great for people at the top of the food chain but for every noble scion having a sly sip of some Eldar wine before playing a game of space-golf on the bridge of their private battleship you'll have thousands of people slaving away in a munitions factory whilst being told that any failure to their quota will result in them being turned into servitors.

Ultimately, life in the Imperium averages out at quite miserable with the bueracracy of the Imperium being the prime motivators for most of that suffering. There may be quite a few good reasons for the things that suffering: mutation is often (but not always) a sign of warp taint; the Imperium is in a state of eternal total war and desperately needs a constant supply of munitions regardless of how inhumanely those producing the weapons are treated; free elections could lead to a planet prioritising its own needs over the larger Imperiums and thus lead to seccessionism e.t.c. But the issue is that to the average person those issues are never properly explained and the ultra-reactionary nature of Imperial politics makes any kind of reform- even reforms designed to improve the utility of a world to the Imperium such as instituting health and safety laws to decrease the rate at which workers injure themselves- almost impossible to pass.

The tau aren't amazing, if anything in pretty much any other sci-fi setting they'd rapidly turn into a high-tech North Korea, locking their people away from any signs that technological advancement and economic/social prosperity could be achieved without the Greater Good. But their ideology at least predisposes them towards improving the quality of life for citizens as much as they reasonably can and they don't suffer from the divided clusterfuck of an administration the Imperium does that prevents successful civic reforms from spreading to other worlds.

>>15800811

>ultra-reactionary

>>15800811

I always wished they were the Tau "Federation" rather than Empire. They'd be more fun if they pushed the "diverse high tech good guy" image further, while really being a coalition of various flesh-eating monster xenos who hate each other barely held together by fanatical communists.

Really I just want a place for rebel Zoats and all the other weirdo xenos races that aren't big enough to count as their own faction, which the Tau kind of are but I guess battlesuits sell too many models for GW to work on fun xenos stuff.

>>15800905

That Rogue Trader stuff was peak 40k. I wish GW would go back to ripping off 2000AD instead of trying to make everything trademarkable.

>>15800739

The Farsight enclaves have no Ethereals around and don't descend into inter-caste warfare.

>>15800928

>Books are for reading faggot

and i've read more than a few of them, but i can't get them physically here, and reading huge pdfs on a monitor quickly gets annoying when my eyes are already fucked

>>15800926

Only because they had a living legend like Farsight there to keep them held together and even then it was a near thing and probably wouldn't have flown if Farsight hadn't influenced the Fire Caste to step out of their predefined roles and assume some leadership.

>>15800940

>huge

I always wondered if the pdfs I've read were incomplete or not, are most Cain/Gaunt books supposed to be around 100-200 pages each?

>>15800993

That's a real shit question because we don't know the language or the font settings in those. But CC books are shorter than gaunt from what I recall.

>Mechanicus being great

>shitty bare-bone XCOM clone

>Opinion/Thread discarded

into the Trash it goes

>>15801060

Could you explain why it's shitty, I haven't played it yet.

>>15801062

there arent enough lolis

>>15800918

Holy shit thats one smug cain.

>>15801206

hes quoting the akashic records

>>15801062

its actually decent and plays quite differently to nucom.

That said it is way too easy to become OP as fuck. By the end I could finish most missions with a single tech priest on his first move.

>>15798806

>escape the Deldar

>implying he wasn't let loose

>>15800918

Why do they keep putting a bolt pistol on him?

>>15801423

lasers are for babies

>>15801444

Tell that to Cain.

>>15801451

he will beat me

>>15800739

You also have to consider that some of their client races are psykers.

Chaos is gonna rape the Tau by getting to their slave races.

>>15802204

Kroot don’t eat Chaos worshippers for that exact reason, but there are still the Gue’la auxiliaries that are still human and can fall to chaos

>>15796240

The Emperor can read people's minds, hearts, and souls everyone is putty in his hands. Everyone except his sons because they're him.

>>15799260

>>15799276

i also found it cringy, like if the AI developed pride just for the sake of it, it doesnt feel "logical" like a machine

>>15803725

>1d4chan

Who would reference that shithole now that the redditors, tvtropes, spacebattles, and odd goon have taken over?

>/tg/ roleplay

/tg/ tastes in roleplay always leaned to CYOA threads and /d/ lite faggotry. Now it appears you mostly slapfight between the neetsocs and spineless grogs to scratch that itch.

>>15803785

I think you’re comparing apples and oranges here.

>>15803796

Eat shit. I enjoy some 40k banter as much as the next fag but I really don't want the kike to add 40k to other general B& threads because you're too much of a bitch to get you daily dose of social interaction somewhere else.

>>15803802

I think we need some vidya in a /v/ thread. That fair enough?

>>15803785

What's with the 4AM fixation? I see no avatarfags or moaning about how being a NEET is, like, totally hard and shit.

>tastefully shitpost

Good to see that /tg/ is still leaning hard on the old rep while evincing no present ability to back it up just like /v/ does. Something we can all come together on.

>>15803807

>>tastefully shitpost

Yeah, that's what this place used to call one muh emprah approves shitpost among five of those posting mods for DC, two calling Rites of War crap and that one autist posting /v/plays Chaos Gates.

>What's with the 4AM fixation?

Tell that to this piece of shit. >>15803815 It's their literal mating call: add some vague as fuck vidya reference in the OP, maybe someone posts a game every 50odd replies and go back to pointless shit ad nauseum.

Can't we have the threads we used to have? What happened to you faggots? Where's the mechanicus thread? I sure as hell haven't seen one even in this slow catalog.

>>15803831

It got old. Tired of posting about the same ancient games, rehashing the same tired jokes, having the same arguments, and pulling each others cranks about how unbelievably based we are for spinning in a circle. This game? Might be something to while away a odd hour or two if they can up the difficulty beyond diabetic grot level. You can bemoan the good.old days all you like but I'm unmoved.

>>15803725

Faggots like you who hate fun and comfy threads should be raped to death by 60 niggers with AIDS over the course of a week.

>>15803806

>Eat shit. I enjoy some 40k banter as much as the next fag but I really don't want the kike to add 40k to other general B& threads because you're too much of a bitch to get you daily dose of social interaction somewhere else

If Mark bans 40K threads I swear to fucking god I will drown the board in gore until he removes the decision. I can ban evade endlessly it's fucking easy here.

That cunt can't just do as he pleases.

>>15803815

Exactly. I fucking left cuckchan to get away from the autistic obsession with everything being 100% on topic. That's the cancerous mentality that kills fun threads and board culture.

God damn it you fucking faggots /pol/ has gone to shit due to general hatred of fun and everyone now having a massive stick up their ass.

I don't want /v/ to end up like that.

>>15803861

Go back? This place was sure as hell better two and a half years ago and even that was better than last year when your hiroshima cancer flooded again.

>>15803861

How about some vidya in a /v/ thread? Is that too much to ask for fucks sake? If you want to socialize and don't care about (((Video Games))) on the (((Video Games))) board you might as well piss off and shit up a different board.

>b-but it's vidya

There's less than a dozen or so references, not actual comments, posts, whatever, but the vaguest of references in a currently 260+ reply thread. What's left? High quality book talk? Some fa/tg/uy dissemination of tabletop? Drawfaggotry? Someone actually bringing something new or interesting to the table? Nah. We're left with low effort, low quality, no point shitposting.

The sad part is that for all the shit mark gets and often deserves the only reason this thread isn't purged on sight is the somewhat protected status of 40k. "Muh /tg/ autists are at it again so let them be." But the said autists are long gone.

>>15803933

>Go back? This place was sure as hell better two and a half years ago and even that was better than last year when your hiroshima cancer flooded again.

I'm from the first exodus you retard

>>15803933

>How about some vidya in a /v/ thread?

You acting like 1 off topic thread or a couple off topic posts mean that there's no vidya discussion you disingenuous cunt, Go look at the catalog and tell me what threads are off topic.

>Is that too much to ask for fucks sake?

If you mean that that we can't have anything even close to tangential discussion then yes it fucking is you autistic cunt.

>>15804005

>crappy fanfiction

That was from one of the official books you room temperature IQ retard.

>>15804009

>crappy formatting

>crappy writing

>no source

Could've fooled me. Any multilasers in that one? :^)

>all these big words

And yet you can't string five of those in a sentence about (((video games))). Sad.

>>15804009

Just because shits official it does not mean its not fan fiction. Metroid Another M in the Metroid series is a good example of official fan fiction.

>>15804070

Yeah, great. Why are you here? Obviously not for the games.

>>15804106

Honestly, I actually wanted to discuss Mechanicus and BattleFleet Gothic 2.

new Dev Blog for Battlefleet Gothic 2

https://forums.focus-home.com/topic/32646/devblog-5-customisation

>6 types of Ships but Some Factions can't access all of them while others have full ship types

>8 Admiral Ability and 10 Fleet ability

>Subfactions not only Offers Color Scheme but they have their own Unique Skills

Multiplayer Beta starts Dec 5 if you pre-order while prologue and first chapters for the camaign are avaiable by January

Yo. So can any of you 40k fags tell what is the order I should listen to these audio books from Humble Audiobook Bundle: Voices from the Worlds of Warhammer!?

Horus Rising

Fabius Bile: Repairer of Ruin

True Name

Gotrek & Felix: Slayer of the Storm God

The Realmgate Wars: The Beasts of Cartha

Labyrinth of Sorrows

Black Library Audio Sampler

Hallowed Knights: Plague Garden

Warmaster

The Calculus of Battle

Gotrek & Felix: Curse of the Everliving

The Realmgate Wars: Fist of Mork, Fist of Gork

Heart of Rage

Censure

Dark Imperium

Strike and Fade

The Embrace of Pain

The Realmgate Wars: Great Red

The Realmgate Wars: Only the Faithful

The Dark King & The Lightning Tower

Red & Black

Howl of the Banshed

Dead in the Water

Garro: Oath of Moment

Thorn Wishes Talon

>>15804223

Do you think that they'll finally let us use the Speranza in all her glory? I mean they're adding all sorts of OP shit to the game like the Phalanx and Gloria class battleships.

I really want to use OP DOAT ships firing black holes.

>>15804287

not really sure anon because OP ships are exclusively Singleplayer and vs AI. It won't be used for Multiplayer

>>15804290

They explicitly stated that in the single player Imperium campaign you'll be playing as the AdMech, Space Marines, and Imperial navy at once.

>>15804303

What a cop-out. They're still functionally different factions in-game, right?

Just wanted to say I'm watching Event Horizon for the first time, and the way my friend described it to me is like Warp travel in 40k. The ship/gateway is very occult-looking and reminiscent of Imperium ships to a degree.

>>15804434

they could be anon but maybe they'll just go imperium and depending on the planet you just build whatever ships you want. Same Mechanics as Empire At War

>>15804434

Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't the Imperiums different forces fight in the same battles?

>>15804468

I'm talking Singleplayer wise, to me it feels like reducing the number of singleplayer campaigns open.

That is if I'm getting it all wrong and there's only one singleplayer campaign(imperial)

>>15804477

Anon its 3 campaigns, Imperium of Mankind, Necrons and Tyranids

Source:http://www.battlefleetgothic-armada.com/en

>>15804449

Yeah that's basically what happens to ships in the warp without the kepler field.

>>15804483

And if you play Imperium you can use all of the Ships of the Imperial Navy, Space Marines, and Admech.

>>15804483

>no orkz

But otherwise I'm okay with it, if a bit disappointed.

>>15804501

Honestly what I don't understand is that the game is set during the Gathering Storm setting with Bobby B as the Lord Commander and yet there's no Chaos campaign. They actually confirmed that Cawl and Bobby will be characters featuring prominently in the storyline.

>>15804501

they will be anon

DLC campaigns soon

>>15804512

Should that happen it confirms to me that GW has no fucking clue why DoW, particularly Dark Crusade's singleplayer. was so well received in the first place.

>>15804509

Fuck Bobby, when are we getting Corax's shenanigans in the warp? Would make for an excellent action game where your goal is to be as stylish brutal as possible.

>>15804512

Honestly I just want expanded Imperium campaigns.

I can't bring myself to play as the other factions, it's fucking heresy.

>>15801423

Because the covers of his novels are in-universe movie posters/propaganda.

That bolt pistol he poses with was gifted to him and he carries it around in his luggage, but he actually doesnt use it because he prefers his good ol' laspistol.

Dawn of War 2 feels pretty bad to play so far. I'm not really thinking, I'm just sticking my heavy bolters in cover and watching enemies get decimated.

Are any of the space hulk games good? Is Templar Battleforce(I know it's not 40k but it's close enough as far as I'm concerned) any good?

Is there any point to play Eternal Crusade? Heard game was shit and dead, but want to know if it still worthy.

>>15804483

>>15804501

>>15804509

Looks like that what confirmed, but thing is that maybe they will release DLC campaigns of the other races/factions to sell. After all, the game will already give all the factions at launch, and lets be honest, the developers will try to sell some DLC. So with all factions given at launch, besides cosmetic stuff, only thing to sell to the customer would be new singleplayer stuff, like campaigns/scenarios. So lets hope that it happens, because only three stories to do is lame for a game of this magnitude.

>>15804266

Why does it seem like this bundle doesnt really "go together"? You'll probably just find yourself skipping around with a bundle that small. There have to be books between those books to fill in the gaps.

>>15803151

Its harder to corrupt someone who maintains proper hygiene. And its really hard to corrupt someone who was eating soy diet and was castrated by chemicals.

>>15804236

Good post.

>>15813059

I'm pretty sure weak minded soyboys could be easily corrupted.

>>15792602

Maybe you are just a casual.

Ultimate General is incredibly streamlined and intuitive.

>>15815558

Because, at least early on, most of the key players of GW were legit NatSocs

>>15815558

There are all sorts of people lore-wise, pictures dont tend to show nonwhites because its brits drawing space brits wearing silly outfits.

>>15815621

Thats false.

Of all the Space Hulk games, which one is the best one? There are so many of them, so its hard to choose.

>>15804521

>Should that happen it confirms to me that GW has no fucking clue why DoW, particularly Dark Crusade's singleplayer. was so well received in the first place.

You mean ShouldNT happen, right? Because otherwise, I dont understand your comment.

>>15816087

I meant should. Dark Crusade was what, around 20 dollars for an expansion pack with new music, new playable factions and units, a wonderful SP campaign and terrible multiplayer balancing.

Meanwhile knowing GW they'll probably ask for 20 alone for a single DLC campaign?

>>15816137

GW has nothing to do with vidya, they just give out the license.

>>15816151

That's a very logical line of thinking but consider this, Armada 2 is the very first game set in the Gathering Storm time era, the post M42 period and GW probably want to be involved as much as possible since this is probably the very first introduction to that time period.

It's not that far fetched, if I remember correctly GW pulled the same with Soulstorm(flying units)?

>>15816401

The vieogame devs normally get some writers from black library to work with them, but that seems to be about it when it comes down to GW involving themeselves in vidya.

They also gifted CA one of every warhammer fantasy miniature when they were first developing total wawa so that the units would look and feel like fantasy miniatures.

>>15816401

oh ok, that would explain why the whole battlefleet gothic TT lineup does not exist anymore….

no they have nothing to do with it. Dawn of war 3 is proof of that.

>if I remember correctly GW pulled the same with Soulstorm(flying units)?

source this, proove me that it was GW that asked for that and not THQ/relic who had to find something new, something more to add to DoW1

>>15816641

I unfortunately can't source that claim. I do have a bunch of loosely related and barely sourced theories but that's about it.

But one thing I can say for certain is that the flyers in Soulstorm were absolutely rushed(and if I remember correctly Iron Lore or something was the company that dev'd Soulstorm, not Relic) as they were pretty much shittier skimmers and didn't add much to the game.

>>15816641

I think they got more involved in Armada 2 because of DoW3. They let the new people at Relic do what they want with the IP and they crashed it into the ground. Mind you, even before that they were doing some strange stuff. That whole thing was a monkey's paw wish come true. It technically had what people wanted, but done in the worst way possible.

>>15800569

If the Emperor was truly that powerfull, then the HH would have never happened. He couldn't make a human weebway by himself, he needed to connect to the Eldar one.

And what does recognizes modern eldar are but a shadow of their former selves have to do with being a knife-ear faggot?

Perhaps youshould try reading and understaing peoples point before you start spouting shit.

>>15800614

Wasn't it established that a god gains a big power boost at the time of it's birth? Slaneesh just ate billions of eldar souls at that time, his fight agaisnt the WEAKENED eldar gods wasn't a simple stomp.

>>15800811

No, due tothe nature of 40K stories, the spotlight is almsot always on shit worlds nad worlds in trouble.

The Imperium is a vast, vast place, with planets beign goverened in many different ways. Literally every single form of government exist somewhere in the Imperium.

So you have planets were lives are relatively decent

>>15800918

Frankly, I find he is overdone.

He's TOO damn lucky and TOO damn skilled.

It's not that of an issue at first, but as you read book after book…it becomes a glaring flaw.

>>15815558

The Emperor wants for the humanity to ascend and evolve, to become New Men. Eugenics, brother.

You can't make good stuff with bad materials.

>>15815558

You forgot the entire Salamanders chapter.

>>15818766

But thats wrong, human evolution happens through. People faining psychic powers in 40k.

Space hulk tactics is probably the best space hulk to date for a terminator campaign. Holy fuck playing the nyds though, the spess marines just roll 6's all day every day.

>>15819016

Is that Otto on that pic? Damn, /co/ should storytelling Requiem again!

Great to read this thread,. Only played first space hulk, but love geeking on the lore. Regarding which, how are Orks and Tyranids doing in currently? Haven’t seen much talk about them.

>>15792628

>Space Hulk Deathwing IS a L4D ripoff

So how come its boring?

Speaking of The Salamanders, what's Vulkan up to?

>>15818763

You do realize that it's pretty much Black Adder 40k right?

None of it is remotely serious.

>>15819579

May or may not be held in the vaults of Trollzyn, but I think those went tits up when the Bells of Doomey Doom Doom was activated and melted the entire damn place with sonic shock waves.

>>15819740

>that cap

i remember seeing something similar back in 2008

its far from orriginal

>>15818763

>He's TOO damn lucky and TOO damn skilled.

You actually think that's luck?

>>15827087

What don't you like about the game anon?

>>15827169

The actual gameplay? The hide behind beta status but you know nothing significant will change? How they haven't fixed any issues with the first one? The actual gameplay?

>>15827257

Well that's rather vague.

Please elaborate in detail.

>>15827276

>(54)

>muh sealion twatter routine

>beta hype

There's no words that could help you mate. Only a bullet to the old shillbox. It's a game so droll and plain shit that it would fall flat on it's face without the setting to back it up and the dumb fucks with disposable income to support it. And that's not saying much considering all the shovelware drek we've been getting courtesy of GW.

>>15827257

> How they haven't fixed any issues with the first one?

Oh boy, did they overpower the Tau again?

Started playing Mechanicus just now. Any guide/advises to play the game, and/or when customizing your techpriests? Anything else to know?

so the machine spirit is implied to be a necron god right? a ctan?

what if he just feels so good from being appreciated all the time he turns into a good guy?

what if when the time comes for the ctan to strike, he has a vision of some poor wasteland dwelling loli toasting bread, her one joy in life and saying "thank you machine spirit" and really enjoying the bread so he shows the other ctan and they start crying and decide to bring the emperor back to life and he founds the adeptus headpatticus

>so the machine spirit is implied to be a necron god right? a ctan?

There is no such thing as a singular machine spirit. As far as the AdMech is concerned, even a freaking lightbulb would have a little spirit in it. More realistic examples can be found in the pseudo-AIs of Land Raiders and especially Titants.

That being said, the Void Dragon is said to be capable of controlling all machines, and it's heavily suggested the AdMech only came up with all of its technology because the Emperor imprionsed the Dragon on Mars.

>What if he just feels so good from being appreciated all the time he turns into a good guy?

Again, he is not a good in the classical sense. He does not gain power or even just feel if you worship him. He's more like a gigantic star-eating nebula that some clever eggheads placed into a Lovecraftian metal body.

>>15837145

It becomes piss easy once you have a few key items/upgrades.

All I will say is dont be afraid to sacrifice servitors, or mix and match talent trees.

>>15837145

Dont let your cogbois stick their cyberdongs onto strange holes in the walls.

>>15838019

My shitty theory is that the Omnisiah IS the Void Dragon, the emperor locked him on mars and spared it's life on the condition that he had to help humanity master technology.

With the passing of time, techpriests start legit worshipping and pledgind themselves to this being for letting them speak with the machine spirits, as a result their souls go to him instead of whatever fate the regular human soul suffer. This way the Void dragon has a steady supply of food, and the empire can interact with the spirits of their gear since it's been a shitload of time since anyone remembers how to legit turn on a computer without praying to it.

>>15792397

>Vermintide and TW

>worse than the 40k shovelware we see all the time

Did you forget about Gladius or that shitty fucking MOBA they cancelled?

>>15796117

Angron being deranged was never his fault though, if the character of Terran Space Wolves and War Hounds is looked at Russ is far more deranged than Angron. The nails combined with the Emperor fucking him over made Angron what he is.