/v/ - Video Games

There's gonna be a new director and as much as people didn't like what Hashino was doing, I fear new directors for game series so much. It's how I felt with Metal Gear and Kojima, and it's how I feel with Smash Bros. and Sakurai.

So really, I'm just hoping he doesn't fuck anything up.

More crossdressing.

In seriousness, I'd just want a game that isn't a tedious day planner with so much day to day work to fill in the time. Just let us play the actual game. Then the next thing I'd want is way less handholding. Persona 5's entire first hour and a half is just a tutorial. And if you're gonna make us sit through dialogue, you could at least have it animated so it's nice to look at at the very least.

>>15765861

>I'd like a jrpg

>with characters who aren't high school age

>and the setting isn't a high school

Good fucking luck pal.

>>15765867

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment.

I'd like them to stop pretending that everything before P3 never happened.

>>15765838

It could be a breath of fresh air for the series though

>>15765829

I'd like to be dark and gritty, not the whole "FWENDSHIP SOLVES EVERYTHING UWU" sort of thing.

But it'll probably be more of 5 but worse.

I would fire everyone who suggests making another dipshit high-schooler story, and make you play as a working man already

>>15765999

Name a western rpg with turn-based mechanics that isn't total dogshit or some generic medieval snooze

>>15765861

>>15765971

I remember seeing an interview with the Persona devs where one of them suggested the sequel could center around adults working at a grocery store.

Rename it SMT and make it an actual video game

>>15765829

>What are your hopes and expectations for the next Persona game?

Absolutely none. I fully expect it to be drowning in pozz.

>And how would you improve the formula?

Just give me a harem route Jesus Christ.

>what are your hopes and expectations with the next game?

That it gets cancelled, and the franchise axed. 5 was the biggest, boldest "FUCK YOU" that fatlus could have ever given the persona fanbase, especially anyone who started before 4G.

Igor's actor is dead, most of the good staff has either left, been exiled to shit projects, or are MIA.

What else could you want from this dead corpse of a franchise?

Just wait for SMTV and we can all have a big laugh about how huge of a failure that turns out to be.

P5 "fans" are pure cancer and should go to other websites to discuss that abortion of a game.

>>15766205

What's bad about it? I've been planning to buy and play 5 since it doesn't seem pozzed.

>>15766216

I have explained in great detail in padt p5 generals, I really am not in the mood to write a wall of text on Thanksgiving.

P5 is a total bastardization of P2Tsumi/IS with bits from Batsu/EP sprinkled willy nilly. The entire story is meant to be an inversion of Tsumi's story as they wanted to "channel the fan's nostalgia." What better way to do that then by gutting the only two good games in the franchise, and proceeding to string the entrails around like christmas decorations?

It spits on you for being a longtime fan, and only rewards secondary/tertiary fans like yourself. You are better off sticking to the fap material and doujins, as the game is a waste of money and time.

Oh, and since you obviously never played a persona before, doubly so for modern, I'll mention this.

Before P6 gets announced, P5C will. P5C will add a bunch of unnecessary shit and a mary sue character that is retconned into being canon wifu.

Seriously, fuck you if you plan on buying that trash

>>15766043

Do they have to be AAA or indie too?

>>15766268

I don't give a shit as long as it's good

>>15765829

>And how would you improve the formula?

There isn't much to improve in my opinion., But being able to romance demons would be a nice addition and maybe a less faggy looking MC.

>>15766257

All this text and zero actual criticism. Thanks for wasting my time reading this bullshit, tumblrina.

>>15766274

I recommend a game called "OFF" then. It's made by a French team and is free. It's different from the medieval RPGs you'll see.

>>15766347

Played it years ago. Good shit but way too short and simplistic mechanically

>>15766338

>(1)

>also wants to romance demons

>>>/monster/

>>>/fur/

>>>/kemo/

>>15766358

Are there even any furry demons?

>>15765829

>what are your hopes for the next persona

i realize this makes me a casual normalnigger faggot but i loved persona 5 for its art (those transitions from 3d to 2d were so good), music and fap-bait characters. as long as there's more of that i'll probably be pleased

>>15766382

yes

>>15765829

Play a real Shin Megami Tensei

How to improve the Persona series.

Pretend everything after 2 didn't happen.

>>15765867

SMT Strange Journey has military-men and scientists instead.

>>15766098

>Grocery store workers.

>Not making each of the have a different job, personality and archetype (dumb, yet loyal and strong Okinawan building worker, generic Tokio businessman/salary-man, grocery store worker is someone, probably a woman, who got an arts degree, etc…) and they meet each other through whatever the plot McGuffin or whatever might be.

>GTO: Persona Edition

>teacher/staff party members

>s.links of helping the shitty/troubled students in your class

There, everyone's happy. Still set in high school, and it has an adult MC.

>>15766358

*(2)

Happy now?

>>15766043

Lisa the Painful is good.

>>15766542

>we want the early 30's American audience

>>15766043

Might and Magic series (sci-fantasy), though the gameplay is a little obtuse before 3

Wizardry starting with 6

>>15765829

>hopes

Fun. Maybe actually have your choices effect how things play out other then having like one near the end that determine which ending you get. More tumblr/reddit/SJW salt. PC release. Being able to seduce your teacher again.

>expectations

More highschool dating sim stuff.

>>15766532

Except for the remake, which now has Mary Sue Waifu who isn't military or a scientist popping up to ruin your shit.

Hopes

>They continue what they did with Persona 5 and make Persona more like SMT again

>Male character only, female character is a waste of design, animation and writing since most people who play Persona nowadays are fat weebs treating it as a dating sim

>Sega allow Atlus to continue developing under full creative freedom

Expectations

>Sega see the success of Crapcom's Monster Hunter World and try to causalise it even more "for Western audiences"

>Sega also see that ResetEra picture of them whining about what they want and think this is what Western gamers want. Create a male and female character option and gay relationships along with LGBT pandering

>As a result the game either lacks the animated cutscenes 5 did to compensate for having to redo entire sections just to hand draw a female character in, or the budget is blown on useless shit like this so the content is drastically reduced

>They'll reduce the game time anyway due to people whining about how the game somehow takes "100 hours a run"

>Pressure from Sega to attempt to monetise the game further, double down on DLC costumes or even add story DLC content

>Even with all the pandering it'll still be a solid game, but during the GOTY awards all the people who demanded these changes won't be there to vote for it, they'll be voting for Assassins Creed Nigeria or Battlefield: Transgender Chronicles

branching social links, social links that lock/unlock based on other social links, a party that doesn't just relentlessly suck the main characters dick.

>>15765829

I think we're in a nosedive right now. P3 was pretty god-like but P4 is where the writing started to get worse, and now with P5 we're at "Niggas, we gotta stop bullying, the evil adults can't get away." And the big city setting was crusty–it got stale quick. I think they need to go back and use the original idea they had for 5: camping roadtrip. It was the best part of FFXV, it'll work here too. I don't think it should go open world, just have different hubs you move to throughout the game.

Social links in P5 were shit: they were nothing but red herrings up till rank 7, then the real story finally came out and got resolved overnight. So just make the social links short, and to the point: put slink characters in each hub (town, campground, whatever), make them doable in like a week, maybe have one or two that follow you around and come back up periodically.

I don't think combat needs to be changed from P5, dungeons were fine too, but needed more/better music tracks, but guns and sneaking were kinda gay, I think we can get rid of those.

>>15767391

That would really make things fresher and more interesting. Sure thing, Brotagonist gonna Brotagonist in P4, but a little less dicksucking can make conflicts actually interesting to deal with. I freaking hated the bullshit Morgana conflict in 5, it was retardedly forced. Teddie didn't bitch when Rise joined, and when Fuuka came, Mitsuru became a front line fighter with no strings attached.

Tales of the Abyss was interesting in this 'variation of the MC'. The party is dysfunctional as hell at times, and the protagonist, Luke, gets through very tough moments in which pretty much everyone shits on him.

>>15767585

That's one thing I would really like - different hub worlds as the story progresses. You can do 'standard city', 'rural', 'port town' flavors and keep stuff fresh this way.

>>15767585

>"Niggas, we gotta stop bullying, the evil adults can't get away."

I feel that the MUH ADULTS thing fell particularly flat when you know a lot of the playerbase for persona is probably over 18 now

>>15767676

interesting digits, but yeah I feel that when all the party members didn't necessarily like one another in 3 AND how they did things outside of whatever MC was doing helped those characters stand out more, and if there were branching or lock out/unlock based social links NG+ would be more interesting than just steamrolling dungeons in 1 day to get max links

>>15767153

People with sense shouldn't be playing the remake anyway. The original still exists.

Another thing, I initially liked the proper made dungeons when going through a bit of NG+ I really noticed how padded they where, any dungeons from futabas onward really, the cruise ship being the largest offender with its back and forth mouse puzzle that only served to make the player spend more time before reaching the goal. I like proper dungeons but I wouldn't like to deal with all that again

>>15765829

Bringing back Demon Negotiation was a step in the right direction. Maybe link social skills to Demon Negotiations?

>>15767585

>sneaking

It would have been a nice addition for P5 specifically if they had fleshed it out better. Having to actually sneak around instead of 'Press X to be completely invisible' would have made the whole master thief thing a lot better.

I want Nrylahotep to come back.

>>15765867

>>and the setting isn't a high school

My favourite meme. Persona and Trails are the only examples

Persona 5 is a fucking shitshow. I expected a sequel that built on P4's mechanics, not a cheap and used-up P4. Shidou went down like a bitch. The last dungeon is a joke. All the villains after Kamoshida are shit. Akechi's motivations are all over the place. 2chan's entire backstory is pants-on-head retarded

>when the story finally loops back to the beginning

Probably the worst part of the whole game. Defend your flaming pile, P5fags

>inb4 the music is good

There's like three songs and the battle theme sucks so hard you probably bought DLC to change it (Amala Battle from the If pack is the patrician's choice)

>muh characters

Paper-thin. The side stories were good, I liked how the toy gun guy had you babysit his kid even though said kid is your age. Great job. I wanted to bang Takemi and Kawakami, but decided I didn't really want to hold them down and they seemed more into it than was healthy. So I fucked Ohtsuki because NSA and drunk gf. All the main team members are cardboard cutouts even compared to P4. These characters felt right out of PQ.

>muh JP voice acting

Lelouch is the main character! Char is the villain! I recognized it so I CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPED

How to make Persona 6 a good game

>drop isekai completely and go smt route again

>several different persona users you can find per arcana

>Don't hold my fucking hand, I'm an adult.

>if you date a girl you have to keep dating her

>add homo options

>entering and exiting battle should be faster

>make dungeons actually dungeons, palaces were a step in the right direction

>more nuanced demon negotiation

>tone down the power fantasy and let the player earn it

>nornies can see personas, and help you if you help them out (so side missions could be beating up thugs)

>friends come in webs and clusters

>hanging out with a friend is the same as hanging out at the bar in Catherine, with just as many options and a host of hangouts to meet tons of people

>persona users can be friends in one route and enemies in another

>fight previous game protagonist/parties extra dungeon

>>15767952

perhaps for no reason other than Innocent Sin already had one

>>15768013

You couldn't romance shit in IS

>>15768181

You're asked mid-late in the game to make a choice of lover. You can pick Lisa, Jun (male), Eikichi(also male), or none. Your choice affects social links and some lategame dialogue

>>15766164

>Using condoms

What a disgusting picture.

>>15767585

>P3 was pretty god-like but P4 is where the writing started to get worse

P3 raped the lore the worst by far.

>>15768342

Still the best out of P3-5

P1 is kusoge and P2 are criminally poorly constructed

>>15765829

>What are your hopes and expectations for the next Persona game?

PC port or switch

Persona 6 hopes:

-no more dating sim, less waifu shit, more gameplay focus

-less dialogue, less running in circles talking to npcs

-no jazz/nigger music

-no more school setting (wtf is wrong with japs and their high-school fetish)

>>15767942

>>add homo options

kys faggot

>>15768409

>p3/4

>ignores 5 the most recent Persona

genius

>>15768415

it was a typo, and once again if you think p5 has nigger music you don't know what you're on about

>>15768422

>>15768430

>OH NOOO A NIGGER LIKED THE SONG I GOTTA GET UPSET NOW

it's fuckin tempo upped lounge music

>>15768456

NIGGER MUSIC

>>15768459

its not even remotely comparable

What's the next head item they're gonna use to summon their persona? They had guns, glasses and mask. The only thing that comes to mind is hats and nothing else after that. 6 would have to be the last one since they'd run out of head gear to use or they could go for other wearable items like pins, rings, necklaces or lapels.

>>15765971

The Japanese government would like that so they can get these damn otakus to work.

>>15768464

>nigger music strictly means hip hop

no.

>>15768520

What is then?

Jazz? Rock&Roll? Blues? What fits your criteria for “nigger music”?

>>15768508

Alternatively they could stop being so formulaic

>>15765829

Go back to P1/2 era design. P4 and P5 are objectively weeb magnet garbage.

>>15768520

smooth jazz / R&B

aka nigger music.

>>15768541

brown people enjoy it

>>15769115

Funfact: lactation in most mammals means the female is unable to bear children at the moment.

>>15769180

Doesn't change the script

>>15769254

Well it suits you to identify as a gay monkey looking up africa on a globe.

The opposite of all suggestions Resetera made

>>15769247

the artist makes all his females have a normal size face with out of control body proportions. I shouldn't like it but for some reason i just do. It so trashy that it just becomes sexy i guess

>>15768580

>>15768555

Yes, i guess that’s why the Japanese composed this so called nigger music instead of hiring niggers to work on it right?

Jesus christ this is just fucking retarded, each word you spew out lowers my room temperature by the equivalent of your goddamn IQ.

>>15769115

>Ann gets turned into a BBW nightmare

Why

>>15769180

Joker’s english dub is okay tho

>>15767771

Oh yeah, in the context of P5 the sneaking made sense (the guns maybe a little less so but still), the only reason i say take it out in future games is because it wouldn't really fit in any other context. And I am pretty confident they will take it out too, and replace it with something else.

Sticking with the camping roadtrip idea, there are some viable dungeon mechanics that present themselves. Pathfinding, for one: P5 had that sixth sense vision that was useful for spotting enemies/treasure; it could be kept on and used for hidden paths, just preferably coupled with something that makes it more challenging than "Press R2". I'm a huge Etrian Odyssey fan, and by extension a big fan of PQ, so I think maps/mapping could be implemented as a mechanic too. It would work well with the Switch's touch screen. And let's be real, we don't want the next Persona game to come out on PS5. Sony is going to dick it into a crater with censorship, I say 30 fps and uncensored is better than 60 fps and cucked. And while we're on the Switch, make sue of the joycons and HD rumble. I've never sued a Switch so i don't really know how great those are, but HD rumble could be worked into pathfinding.

>>15765829

You play as a jaded adult that gives no fucks and due to some circumstantial bullshit you and a couple teens get personas. Imagine Persona 5 if Iwai was the MC and he kept telling Makoto and Morgana to fuck off whenever they started babbling on about inane bullshit.

>>15771566

Fuck soytendo and fuck the switch. If soyny is going to push censorship then they should just make an uncensored PC port.

it seems Catherine may have been censored https://gematsu.com/2018/11/atlus-responds-to-concerns-over-sony-regulations-affecting-catherine-full-body

Atlus is being kind of vague but im sure persona 6 is pretty much guaranteed if Catherine can get hit

>>15774679

*guaranteed to be censored

>>15765829

>What are your hopes and expectations for the next Persona game?

My hope is that Atlus will stop this visual novel bullshit, stop with the dating sims, and sit down to make a good RPG that's more concise and doesn't meander around.

My expectation is them doubling down on waifus, weak dungeons (PS2 really was the golden era of dungeon designs for Atlus), poorly written social links, a bloat of mechanics that largely can ignored, and a story that just loses all steam past the 1st dungeon.

>And how would you improve the formula?

Either integrate character specific storylines back into the main narrative (namely party members) or overhaul social links so they aren't just a grind for better mechanics because the devs broke up the complete system between time-locks and social links. Atlus could have had something if they had kept going with what P3 set up, social links that are time dependent, social links that can reverse if you make the wrong choices, and social links that will reverse if you just don't keep up with someone. What P5 (and P4) did was remove some of the restrictions that gamers complained about and instead replaced them with less substantial changes. For P5, it occurred to me that social links like Yoshida's would benefit from synching his calendar up to the same elections the game was building up too during the later part. The doctor could have an impending trial or whatever for her own backstory as well. It's weird that in a game that emphasizes the time limit of an operation, your social stuff completely lacks that save not finishing before the end of the game.

And shrink the number of social links, party members shouldn't have them anyways, these are the characters who don't have any real party conflict, and unlike the SEES crew who didn't like each other at the onset, you don't have to really endear yourself to the cast. Do what previous titles did and have those character moments happen with the real plot.

Roll back more mechanics from P1/P2:

>All party members can change persona

Atlus has gotten married to the idea of the "self insert" main character in the worst way. Unlike Maya or Tatsumi who had a personality and flaws even within the games you controlled them in, the MC of P3-P5 are just these blank slates designed to be the modern anime protagonist who runs around solving everyone's problems while having none themselves. I got so tired of the story just gargling the P5MC's balls with how special he was. Fool arcana was a mistake.

>Bring back group negotiations

This was the most color of the P2 battle system. Having party members pair up and negotiate was where you got a strong sense for the group dynamics. Instead, in P5 this is randomized and locked behind social links to even have your party help with negotiations.

>Shrink the story

There is nothing in the plot of any persona game that necessitates the amount of time spent running around dungeons. These could be 60 hour RPGs and nothing of value would be lost. Doubly so because the stories are very weak on their own and just recycle conversations.

>Bring back the more cosmic aspect of the conflict

Weirdly enough, for P3-P5 the conflicts have felt really weak despite gods running around doing things. In P1, it was almost like a silent hill scenario where you were running around the mind of someone trapped in a shitty situation who awakened to great power. In P2, the duology of both the new world orders, rumors, and Philemon v Nyarly all had a sense of weight and importance to them. Nyx and the rest by comparison just felt more heavy handed and insignificant. Even with how hard the PS2 and up games lean into their themes.

Really, there is a lot that is just boring with the current persona games. They feel like time sinks and it took me a year and a half to beat P5 because I would drop the game after every dungeon and go do something else for a month or two. All the style in the interface and aesthetics, just amounted to little more than nothing at the end of the day.

5 likely will not be beaten. After the jazzy Phantom Thieves and their amazing costumes, they can't go back to just "high school students with powers" and expect the same sort of hype.

>>15768276

>social links

Motherfucker there are no social links in persona 2. Stop being a faggot and admit you're a fraud

Will Persona 6 have a robot catgirl?

>>15778489

>Scam Hyde

Only Horsefags call him that.