/v/ - Video Games

>>15743168

Channel that I got the webm from.

muh realism

Just wait until you have to stream from the cloud.

>>15743218

Glad I will be able to relive the mail chess experience.

>>15743218

Please no.

This is why "muh realism", especially with animations, is typically a bad goal for vidya to aim for. It's neat for like an hour and then it becomes extremely annoying afterwords

>>15743273

>begin stick deflection: 10

>full stick deflection: 15

>animation response *26*

Are you blind or just a brainlet.

>>15743283

It's not even realism, ideally the animation response should begin exactly when the stick got pressed. All these PS4 titles aren't very responsive, but RDR2 is the worst of them all.

>>15743327

This is probably my biggest complaint with the dragon engine yakuza games. Kiryu is so heavy it's impossible to run around with him easily.

>>15743340

Gaymers today don't care about gameplay and controls as long as they have gwafixx, imershun, semi open world, and cinematic narrative.

>>15743351

just logon to fightcade or capcuck it with the 30th anniversary edition and play 3s, A2 or ST. Hell I know some people who still play SF4 strangely enough.

>>15743340

>>15743347

>gaymers today

>consolefags

redditor pcfags have praised hl2 since 2004 for gwafixx, imershun, set pieces, and cinematic narrative.

people have been retarded since the beginning of time, only change is the casualization

This has been an issue since gta 4 I always thought it was to mimmick real life walking and how you dont stop when you want to you have to slow down and then come to a full stop.

>>15743394

HL2 had fun gameplay.

>>15743401

Playing GTA 4 on PC, I didn't feel it.

>>15743168

I don't believe this is input lag this is the case of over animating walk cycles

>>15743418

>HL2 had fun gameplay.

the gameplay of half-life 2 was downgraded in every single conceivable way from half-life 1 and features no strategy whatsoever due to poorly balanced weapons and extraordinarily low enemy variety

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wlSTyDVNTIc2KxPpLAqsr_P2GWlHnlU2/view

>>15743428

well yes, shooters have been casualized to play like halo and not quake and console gamers have always had shit standards

too bad pc gamers have also had shit standards since the early 00's as well

>>15743418

>HL2 had fun gameplay

<slow movement

<bulletsponges everywhere

<forced to sit through cutscenes unless you go into the console and use sv_cheats to noclip

<absolute abysmal weapon variety

<half the game just focuses on muh physics xd

Funny part is, EP1 and 2 didn't fix ANY of these issues. Stop lying to yourself.

>>15743448

There's an 11 milisecond lag between FULL stick deflection and animation start. That would be a combined total of 22 milisecond if we're talking about absolute responsiveness.

>>15743453

The physics are more fun and the enemies feel more responsive than HL1.

>>15743468

>There's an 11 milisecond lag between FULL stick deflection and animation start.

a bit of column A and column B then, because RDR2 definitely over animates it's simply movements for the sake of muh realism

>>15743369

too expensive these days, SNK went bankrupt and ended up being bought out by tencent because of their latest attempt at high fidelity 2D with KOF 13.

>>15743469

I'm telling you, animation start and movement start aren't the same thing. The animation should start on the same milisecond you move your thumb stick.

>>15743464

Idk, I just like the gunplay better. I never liked HL1 and 2 FYI, but I just prefer 2 somehow.

>>15743327

DS2 had input lag, but very few defended it. Stop repeating shit you parroted from someone more familiar to the board then you.

>>15743168

I hate knowing this game is successful, its a game that only sold because of hype and marketing, now that its been out no one is talking about it, no one is streaming or making videos of it.

Because its fucking boring, just like the original. My boss hyped the previous game telling me it was fucking sick.

I did everything there was in the game outside the main storyline.

>Break best horse

>Kill some animals

>Tie people up and put them on the traintracks

That's all there was to the game.

>>15743478

>I'm telling you, animation start and movement start aren't the same thing.

I believe you, its just the feel of the response is worsened by having to slowly turn characters around

>>15743468

>The physics are more fun and the enemies feel more responsive than HL1.

read the doc that was posted then return to reddit anytime

>>15743472

too bad pcfags have put up with awful treatment as well since the early 00's and up

do you not remember the pc port of gta 4? what about saints row 2? what about the infinite shovelware produced?

>>15743494

Even if it is a shit monitor and the ps4 does have more input lag RDR is clearly way fucking slower than all the other games there.

>>15743482

RDR is only fun if you want to roleplay some western shit.

It's a COWBOY game. whereas something like GUN is a cowboy GAME

>>15743273

Your game is shit Dan.

>>15743540

are you the same retard who bitches about Morrowind because you can't hit shit?

>>15743540

GUN > RDR > RD:R > RD:R2

No Call of Juarez because it's just generic FPS with western paint.

You cannot dispute this.

>>15743482

>DS2 had input lag, but very few defended it. Stop repeating shit you parroted from someone more familiar to the board then you.

No, I'm talking about the weight argument. Why is there no attack cancellation animation for souls games? Realism? No. It's because the devs want the combat to be a pattern memorizing and repeating experience. It's okay to like such a thing but don't pretend like it's not what it is.

>>15743497

>read the doc

I have, it's just it's got nothing to do with what I enjoy or don't. I just enjoy FPS games with physics in general. Even Postal 2 even though the gunplay is atrocious.

>>15743540

GUN is a meme game. Try Outlaws for some real fast paced western shooting with Sergio Leone aesthetics. The graphics are shit and the puzzles are terrible, but the shootout is top tier.

>>15743558

Sunset Riders > all that shit.

>>15743560

There has been no attack cancellation for MH too nigger.

Its so you don't spam buttons and have to think about your openings.

>>15743563

t. retrotard

>>15743575

Because there's nothing else positive to say about it and all negative comments are deleted. People are really not liking it very much at all.

>>15743575

its what happens with these AAA titles, they wow all the casuals with some big graphics or a set piece out of the gate but you'll never end up replaying these games because they're padded out or built in a way that doesn't support replaying it so everyone sorta stops talking about them a short while after release despite calling them the greatest games on earth

>>15743570

>MH

What game and what does it have to do with souls.

>Its so you don't spam buttons and have to think about your openings.

You can't just spam buttons in Mountain Blade either, but you can cancel your weapon swing.

>>15743575

Because mindless rockstar drones can't form their own opinion. They're only hypnotized by the tech demo but don't want to admit it.

>>15743594

>What game and what does it have to do with souls.

<Dark souls is bad because you can't cancel attacks

>What does another game with same features of the game were discussing have to do with it?

>You can't just spam buttons in Mountain Blade either, but you can cancel your weapon swing.

At the beginning of the swing, which is a feint, after 40% of the animation you cannot cancel it.

>>15743607

<Dark souls is bad because you can't cancel attacks

Look, I'm not saying that it's bad because you can't cancel attacks, I just don't like it when people deny that DS is a rhythmic simon says game where you need to memorize patterns and attack timing.

>after 40% of the animation you cannot cancel it

As opposed to souls' 0%?

>>15743626

Its the games mechanic, its put in there for a reason, you can say MH is shit for the same reason following your logic.

You can say you dislike a game because of it but you can't say the game itself is objectively bad because it has a mechanic you dislike.

>>15743626

Being able to cancel attack animations is a mechanic for shitsucking retards that want a get out of jail free card for any idiotic decision they make, no matter how stupid. Needing to utilize patience and strike at the right moment is far superior to just running up to any enemy and mindlessly mashing attack and then pressing the magic escape button when the game tries to punish you for playing like a nigger.

>>15743675

>mechanic that adds another dimension to combat

>if the enemies can feign, too, this makes combat way more challenging

<hurr it's for casuals

>>15743687

>mechanic that adds another dimension to combat

Yes and that dimension is casualization.

>>15743697

Fantastic argumentation. This is the level of intellect you can expect from a cancelfag.

>>15743168

It's a feature.

>>15743494

No, that's actually how it controls.

>>15743168

Animations prioritized over input response. I hated that in Witcher 3.

>>15743636

>MH is shit for the same reason following your logic

I don't want to say it's objectively shit, but I wouldn't enjoy playing it.

>You can say you dislike a game because of it but you can't say the game itself is objectively bad because it has a mechanic you dislike.

I'm not saying that it's objectively bad, my point is it's not objectively good either.

>>15743675

Not everyone likes simon says combat. Patience and perceiving the right moment to strike are the essence of enjoyable combat, but it's not necessary to force the player to play it like simon says. Exanima, Jedi Knight, and Blade of Darkness did it better in my opinion.

>>15743327

So, I can support the idea that the character needing to turn around, gently lunge in, and begin moving and then steadily get up to walking/running speed creates a sense of realism and 'weight'. That much is fine. The level of delay is fucking inexcusable, though.

>>15743675

based

>>15743675

Deliberately shitty controls are still shitty controls. Taking away agency from the player just makes the devs lazy bastards for not programming better enemies. Once you memorize the now necessarily retarded enemy attack patterns, the entire game goes down the shitter for being a wimpy memory game.

>>15743636

MH IS shit, tbh. Aside from the broken hitboxes and garbage controls, once you learn which weapons are fundamentally broken, you can just cheese monsters out of existence and there's really no hunt or gameplay involved. Literally the entire MH speedrunning community lives off taking advantage of how unbelievably garbage the game is, then pretending they didn't just prove it.

>>15743478

>I'm telling you, animation start and movement start aren't the same thing.

Not necessarily. A lot of games now tie movement into animations because it's a lazy way to eliminate foot sliding. It's entirely possible the RDR2 input lag stems from the animations being fucking shit.

Yeah I remember the first game on ps3 was laggy as balls

>>15743563

/thread

>>15743327

I could see input lag as the more equipment you carry the slower your movements are. But of course they haven't thought that far.

>>15743168

Would USB connection make a difference?

>>15747010

Destiny 2 only had a millisecond delay despite using the same controller, so not much.

>>15747033

OP's demonstration is in frames, not ms anon. So that's 16.67ms delay for Destiny 2 at 60hz, not 1ms.

>>15747061

that's better than half a second delay at 30FPS

>>15743394

HL2 doesn't have input lag. It's a low standard that "AAA" can't meet.

>>15743337

That's why the fighting game genre is dead.

>>15744905

3 felt like you were moving through thick soup the whole game, fuck RDR2 if it's like that I can do without.

well howdy there pardner ima skin a raccoon come sundown have any of that whiskey fella dang ol varmint

is it as bad as the control scheme when witcher 3 first came out? (it's been updated since to be a bit more responsive)

>>15747835

I think you could easily argue that it is worse.

Why are old games so much more responsive

I literally cant play a game unless the controls are good

Thats why destiny 2 is fun

Even tho its a corporate mess

Good controls no glitches

>>15743327

>instant of making a slower animation at the start lets make some go awful delay that most people attribute to wireless lag

>>15747876

Less garbage being thrown around internally. Also its nearly all analog.

>>15743558

It goes beyond a western painted fps though. The story is a great example of a revenge in the west plot. The voice acting is superb and really draws in the player to the scenario they fight in.

>>15746610

Did you spare the guy at the end or kill him? I ended up shooting the guy as I thought Silas wouldn't be the man to find any redemption at the end.

>>15747876

Old games are responsive because they had to be. Some already verged on being cheap, having input delay would go over the line.

>>15743218

Depends on how good your connection is and where the servers are.

But knowing how cheap this industry is we get one European server somewhere in the UK.

>>15743168

As others have stated, I think it's done on purpose. It's annoying as fuck in RDR2 when I want to switch weapons NOW and not in a few seconds when Arthur fucking feels like it. A quick switch option would be have been awesome. I honestly believe that the game was rushed, because there's a lot of annoying shit in the game that should have been obvious to playtesters.

>>15743675

lmao button mashers btfo

>>15747814

Guess Hurling is doing great in America then, you silly negro

It plays just like rdr 1 tbh… Sometimes the frames go below 30 and 30 is already terrible… I am enjoying so far, almost 80% done, but can't wait for the definitive edition on pc… History is so so, 1st was better but this has so much more content…

>>15743675

in most games that have attack cancelling you gotta do it within milliseconds, I don't see how an unthinking scrub can think that fast.

>>15743586

underrated post. you have to remember the absolute bleak, mindless drooling retards that defend these kinds of decisions. they are totally fucking brain-dead, graphics are an equivalency to quality, and since they just flit from one thing to another, the games being padded the way anon describes fits the business model.

imagine dumping 100 million into a game, 70 million into marketing and 30 million into the game only to have it be played once, but it makes back like 150 million because you wowed the idiots. its like a blockbuster movie, or twilight, or whatever lowest common denominator sludge in whatever medium the most amount of people will buy

Input delay on movement in a slow paced third person shooter is pretty irrelevant. What's the delay on aiming or shooting?

Movement delay is important in high mobility spiderman and AC, but fucking unimportant in low mobility shooters.

>cuckstar shilling thread #51381583818631813

>>15750077

jfc

is cuckchan down or something?

>>15752673

This tbh

>>15752691

Cuckchan got split into two by Hiroshimoot, waves of rapefugees have already arrived here.

>>15752691

That nigger has been around here for at leas a month.

>>15743558

>No Call of Juarez because it's just generic FPS with western paint.

So you haven't played any of the CoJ games. Got it.

>>15747876

>Why are old games so much more responsive

Competent developers.

>>15743675

Nice bait cunt

I think I know the issue. The devs wanted to add weight to the character's movements, but they confused weight with wait so they just added in all those frames of lag. Then a bunch of brain dead gaymers defend it since they make the same mistake. Although I guess it is realistic in a sense since the devs and the people who like this trash probably do have a ton of time between when they think of taking an action and when they actually start the action since their brains are barely functioning.

>>15760670

Yeah…

Ill stick with my current setup of remasters that dont lag

Destiny 2 and runescape for online

Then pokemon and nintendo games

And weeb shit for singeplayer

Most fun ive had gaming since 2013

>>15761722

Idk naughty dog used to be pretty good

Uncharted 1-3 were good

Last of us was good

Everything after hennig left is shit tho

The new Megaman is input lagtacular too.

>>15761977

>>15761980

Fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from.

>>15743675

no

>>15761977

Complaining about lag while playing a game with a 0.6s tick rate

>>15760825

You obviously need some cheering up mother 3 has a wonderful chapter one that will make you feel all better.