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the game is rather easy to beat, you can beat in less than 5 minutes.

Yeah, people look up the warp pipes, go straight to 8-1, die a lot, then pretend they weren't really trying in the first place.

>>15728402

in my defense, I could never figure out the pattern in 8-4

A few years ago I took the time to go through the entire game with no warp zones and I had a lot of fun. I think if you warp zone it to beat it you're missing out on way too much of the game.

>>15728414

I'm actually working to beat it right now. Stuck on beating the world 6 castle, so I'm through for tonight.

>>15728416

And, they wonder why they cannot make a good game.

>>15728425

You don't even need the warp pipes. Just press "A + Start" on the title screen, and you begin right at the start of the world you just died on.

>>15728425

This…you need to do it without warp zones and abusing the 3-1 trick

It was good for the time but it's shit now. Super Mario Bros 3 is superior in every way. Even SMB2 USA is way more fun to play

>>15728442

You're missing out on all the good games.

>>15728452

It's good to have simple fun sometimes. Three being better doesn't really make it bad, kind of like Castlevania 3 being better doesn't make the first bad, or Mega Man 3 being better doesn't make the first Mega Man bad. Or Crash, or Silent Hill, or many other series. It has its place, as something you can come to once you're sick after five or ten playthroughs of 3.

What if you're an "expert" on games that aren't platformers?

>>15728466

The level design in SMB1 is very repetitive compared to something like the "original" Castlevania or the first Mega Man. You've only got a couple deferent level themes that repeat themselves over and over so it gets boring quickly.

>>15728416

The original zelda was a prime example of shit-tier design though. ALttP was the first great zelda game, followed by LA.

>>15728442

Emulate it.

But SMB3 is much better.

>>15728499

Nah, you're just fetishizing old shit because it happened to be the first, not because it's actually good.

>Doom

The only good game you listed.

>SF2

FGs are exclusively played by gooks and niggers, so you can skip this entire genre.

>DQ

Go play FF6 instead.

>Dune 2

Go play RA2 instead.

>>15728491

>>whaaat you've never beaten Legend of Zelda?

Wasn't the first action-adventure game of it's kind, so it makes sense. It's only nifty feature was the ability to save.

>>whaaat you've never beaten Final Fantasy?

Dragon Quest came out first. Even then, JRPGs in the line of FF/DQ are stripped down CRPGs.

>>whaaat you've never beaten Mega Man?

Got nothing for that one.

>>whaaat you've never beaten Deus Ex?

Doesn't Thief and System Shock have you covered on that front?

>>whaaat you've never beaten Sonic the Hedgehog?

Only reason one would need to do so is to talk about the Sonic series.

>>whaaat you've never beaten NetHack?

Why?

>>whaaat you've never beaten Doom?

There should be an asterisk added specifying that you're talking about the full game, not the shareware demo.

>>15728518

>you're just fetishizing old shit because it happened to be the first, not because it's actually good.

Yet, developers act like it's some divine mystery as to why the games they made over 15 years ago (2003 and prior) are better than the game they're putting out now.

They don't reward you anything for completing the game so what's the purpose.

I got stuck on the looping Koopa castle. I used warp pipes.

>>15728525

>Yet, developers act like it's some divine mystery as to why the games they made over 15 years ago (2003 and prior) are better than the game they're putting out now

I don't think I've ever seen any dev quotes that align with that statement.

>Doesn't Thief and System Shock have you covered on that front?

SS is clunky as fuck, and not in an endearing way like Gothic, either. Thief and DE are good though (Thief 2 is trash).

>>15728525

>Dragon Quest came out first.

Yes, except that, in the west anyhow, Final Fantasy is the more popular of the two, and pretty much the "face" of the subgenre here. Thus, not beating any of the most mainstream aware/friendly series is the one the average person is apt to find more "wrong."

I'm over 30. My first console i played was a colecovision. First console i owned was a tg16, then genesis, segaCD, super nintendo, playstation, n64, ps2. I never owned an NES until i bought one at a garage sale years later. I never beat any mario platformer except sm64.

>>15728530

What are you talking about? You save the princess.

or do you need cheevos to validate your gaming habits?

>>15728499

Yeah, I mean how can you expect to give a meaningful critique to survival horror, turn-based strategy or point-and-click games if you haven't beat Super Mario Bros.?

That was sarcasm

No, but take for example Elder Scrolls games. You get a bunch of cool gears or useful buffs as a reward for completing the whole main quest or guild questlines. In FO2, you get a magic book that raises all your stats to the maximum for completing the game. You get nothing in Mario Bros.

>>15728454

That's what I've heard.

>>15728509

I'll keep that in mind if I give the series a shot.

>>15728572

You can use gamegenie for infinite lives tho.

>>15728518

>FGs are exclusively played by gooks and niggers, so you can skip this entire genre.

This is like saying skip RTS because only gooks play it at a competitive level.

>>15728525

>Doesn't Thief and System Shock have you covered on that front?

No. They're good, but Deus Ex is a different type of game entirely.

>>15728572

I miss the days when the developers didn't expect me to beat the game in one or two sessions

>>15728580

>This is like saying skip RTS because only gooks play it at a competitive level.

The difference here being that there's actually a handful of great RTS.

>>15728581

Do you also miss the days when there was <30 minutes of content, and you were expected to beat the game in several dozen sessions, memorizing it bit by bit until you brute force it through muscle memory?

>>15728416

It's even worse than that. There was another article where Aonuma said he didn't play video games until he got hired at Nintendo. His girlfriend handed him some and he couldn't beat >>15728402 either. She resorted to coaching him through all of the original Dragon Quest.

>>15728611

> Do you also miss the days when there was <30 minutes of content, and you were expected to beat the game in several dozen sessions, memorizing it bit by bit until you brute force it through muscle memory?

I do sometimes, yeah. I enjoy the old arcade style games. Stuff like Oniken still gets me going, it was a great ride while it lasted.

>>15728560

>You get nothing in Mario Bros.

Totally wrong.

When you beat SMB you get to play the game again but at a harder difficulty with goombas replaced by faster moving beetles, and you can select which world you start on, you underaged faggot who's never beaten SMB1.

I prefer post-game content to be harder instead of just making it easier because what's the fucking point if you've already beaten the game and overcome the challenge if they're just going to remove even more difficulty from what's left of the experience.

>>15728704

>I prefer post-game content to be harder instead of just making it easier because what's the fucking point if you've already beaten the game and overcome the challenge if they're just going to remove even more difficulty from what's left of the experience.

The point isn't making the post game easier, but rewarding you by letting you to fuck around with the game. There's a reason some games unlock cheats after you finish them. A harder new game+ isn't a reward, it's just giving you new levels to play except they're all rehashed.

>>15728402

I've beaten it countless times but never the legit way, only using warps.

>>15728721

Don't know the first, second is pretty much any Rance game, specifically Sengoku, third may be some weird euphemism for the liru "game".

>>15728721

Rance and that one where you fight your sister (?) in the bath. Someone posts a webm of it occasionally.

Dunno the first one.

>>15728416

With the original Zelda, there is a Twin Perfect Channel video about that one, BUT since people call you a shill for using YT embeds I would have to ask first if people are interested in watching it (regardless of your opinion after that.)

I've always wanted to see an imageboard that didn't let you post from an IP until you beat a game in an emulated emulator as a captcha, and figured SMB1 would be a good "bare minimum" game to go with. It would all be short games that can be beaten in one sitting so it's not too annoying if you have to do it weekly or monthly or something.

>>15728491

>whaaat you've never beaten Deus Ex?

But that one's right.

>whaaat you've never beaten Doom?

>>15728525

>There should be an asterisk added specifying that you're talking about the full game, not the shareware demo.

Vanilla Doom level design is overrated. You might as well just play the first episode and then play some deathmatch.

>shareware

>demo

words mean things

>>15728442

>t. Never owned a console

>not emulating with og controller + usb adapter

>not playing sonic instead

>>15728659

>Super Mario Bros Deluxe

But that is original hardware, it's a port. It changes the physics too, just not as badly as SMAS.

>>15728767

>I've always wanted to see an imageboard that didn't let you post from an IP until you beat a game in an emulated emulator as a captcha

Not the first to have the idea, people years back used to joke about replacing the captcha with the Pooh's Baseball flash.

>>15728767

If Supah Mawio is the bare minimum, then what would be an example of a more extreme game? Gaiden?

Everyone should beat it, but if they really want to appreciate the game, they should do it without warping or continuing.

>>15728425

Why even beat it that way? Why not just use a game genie code to skit to the credits and claim you beat it? Same bullshit.

We did a retro game gauntlet plus a couple years back and had people attempt to beat the game in a 30 minute time limit without warping over the course of a couple days. Well, they tried anyway. I was the only one who pulled it off.

I've beat the All Stars version. Does it count?

I don't care about non-combat/non-action platformers

I might have technically played it at some point as a kid but I don't remember it

>>15728721

I think the third one is Shadow Warrior

i don't play vidya made before i was born. super mario bros is essential boomercore anyway. my mom loves super mario bros and played it a lot so i know it's terrible

>>15728846

All Stars version is basically just a graphical upgrade to 16 bit without changing the gameplay, so yes, it counts.

didnt the nes version have limited continues?

>>15728890

>>15728846

It does change the physics for the worse, but I suppose the challenge is still pretty much identical, so I'd say it counts as well.

It's a piece of shit to do no warps solely because you get 3 fucking lives.

Its an old ass NES game that was made with selling strategy guides in mind, so of course they made the game a fucking chore to beat no warps

considering how much shit it throws at you in worlds 5-8, and using warps makes the game trivial apart from 8-1 which can burn in hell.

Go suck yourself off on NeoFAG or some shit retard

>>15729007

>Waah the game only gives you 3 lives.

Gee it's not like there are 1-up mushrooms and you get an extra life every 100 coins.

>Something something old games are dificult waah.

Grow a spine you dickless faggot. You know why the pipes exist? So you can get to the last levels fairly fast that way, and learn them like you learnt world 1-1. Because what would be a fucking chore is to beat all the levels only to get killed in 8-2 because you don't know the pattern to get to Bowser. That was some unfair bullshit. (I think there was no sound cue in the original cartridge like it was in the all-stars port too)

>Needing an strategy guide for fucking Super Mario Bros.

>Waah old games are hard.

A fucking 6 year old kid can beat them. You're a fucking baby anon, holy shit.

>>15729007

>Its an old ass NES game that was made with selling strategy guides in mind,

were strategy guides even a thing when SMB1 came out?

>>15728721

Pretty sure 3rd one is that one where thats the whole game you just get in a bath and beat up an anime girl.

>>15728402

Ive never played it and I've been playing video games since 2002. Why would i have to play this nes game to be a gamer.

>>15728748

The current 'approved' embedding site is invidio.us, I don't blame you for keep track of that shit since people still post hooktube from time to time.

>>15729354

Just use youtube because autists need to be pissed off

>>15729362

They're just taking "voting with your wallet" mentality to ad money to an annoying autistic conclusion. I am assuming that the autists want mirrors because it denys the e-celeb a view on their video.

>>15729385

Probably, also tracking and traffic metrics but frankly I don't give a fuck and see no reason to care.

>>15729407

>a black screen

You're going have to elaborate a bit.

>>15728466

>Mega Man 3 being better doesn't make the first Mega Man bad.

Except the original Mega Man is regularly disregarded for being fucking caveman-level archaic. The score system is worthless, friction barely even exists, and it's basically a test of your patience. It's crap.

>>15729411

the original mario bros cant play animated .pngs but allstars can

>play me favorite nintendo game or you're not a real gamer!! XD

Mark pls go

>>15729411

>using Internet Explorer

>>15728402

Does beating the deluxe and all-stars versions count?

>>15728416

The original Zelda is a load of trial and error bullshit from a bygone era

>>15729431

Wow that's really weird. Waterfox confirmed shittiest of all Firefox forks?

>>15729441

Sure why not, I just use it since it still uses the old tab group system, since I got an ungodly amount of tabs.

>>15729441

I'm on Waterfox and it works fine for me.

Perhaps he's retarded.

>>15729354

I wouldn't call the original Zelda "bad", but it sure aged like fucking shit. It's way, way too cryptic for today's standards.

>>15729445

I've got 600 tabs right now on Palemoon, join the furry team fam.

>>15729431

>>15729445

sometimes shit acts up if i have a million tabs open for long enough, restarting fixes it.

>>15729456

>Palememe

>Made by an autistic furfag

>Disables false ad clicking addons that fuck with advertiser statistics

>Is still,somehow, the best available internet browser around because the competition is even worse.

>>15728402

Sorry OP not everyone is interested in indie pixelblobs

I think I beat it once. Never did 2 or 3 though.

>>15729452

The cryptic has an appeal. The only thing that aged really poorly is the lack of diagonal movement.

I've never liked Mario

>>15728416

How did such a hack get a job directing Nintendo's second most important series? This has to have been nepotism out the ass. Imagine if we were living in a world where Zelda games were made by someone who actually knows how to play video games.

>>15728748

You mean the embed related? That guy is an idiot. 1) RTFM, 2) there was a map in the manual, 3) you are not meant to find all secrets. That's why they are secrets.

I played the game the first time a couple of years ago, and it's a great game. You have to unlearn how modern games spoonfeed you everything first though. It's like going from processed dry food to actual food; it's weird at first, but once you take a few bites you cannot go back to the industrial shit anymore.

>>15729784

>It's like going from processed dry food to actual food; it's weird at first, but once you take a few bites you cannot go back to the industrial shit anymore.

That's actually a really good analogy. I did the same recently and was annoyed by how bland salads and things were, but once I got the sugar out of my system and off my tastebuds, I started realising how deep and multilayered even a salad could be, with the varying degrees of sweet and bitterness in something as simple as lettuce. Then when I ate some thoroughly processed food it was like I was consuming straight bleached plastic, it was so artificial.

I will say that the original Zelda should have had some kind of item to use, or other way to discern, if there was a bombable wall or burnable bush nearby, like the Stone of Agony did in OOT. LA used a sound effect when you had the compass to tell you if the room had a key, for example, so even something as simple as that would let you know there was still a secret in that room left to find, even if it was just a "FUCK YOU PAY FOR MY DOOR" NPC.

>>15729804

Of course, there's a ton of shit Zelda 1 could and should have done. If taking inspiration from it nowadays, you would have to take plenty of mechanics from something like LA (and not fucking LttP, because putting a bomb in front of a crack is not difficult, nor is it a puzzle). I still found it to be damn fun, though. Navigating the world was actually a challenge rather than filler between dungeons.

>>15729784

>2) there was a map in the manual

It's easy enough to make your own map, and, even then, you won't really need it. Comparing it to open-world racing games, the mini-map is pretty much useless in Burnout Paradise and nuNeed for Speed: Most Wanted so you have to commit a lot of the roads and shortcuts to memory. Same thing with TLoZ where all a map really does is slows you down, and it's so small anyway that it isn't that hard to remember.

>>15729804

It's actually fun experimenting what all you can do with real food. Not exactly an example to use, but just about every sandwich I've made in the last year uses onions, jalapenos, avocados, tomatoes, and/or spinach.

>I will say that the original Zelda should have had some kind of item to use, or other way to discern, if there was a bombable wall or burnable bush nearby, like the Stone of Agony did in OOT. LA used a sound effect when you had the compass to tell you if the room had a key, for example, so even something as simple as that would let you know there was still a secret in that room left to find, even if it was just a "FUCK YOU PAY FOR MY DOOR" NPC.

Reading an interview on LA, apparently you can also find out that a wall is fake by hitting your sword against it.

>>15729837

>Reading an interview on LA

Wait!

I meant ALttP.

>>15729784

Poor Twin Perfect, still struggling for relevancy with cheap clickbait after running out of Silent Hill games to cover.

>>15729719

Why though

>>15729804

Eh, I'm not a fan of those cracked walls, you might as well place a "put bomb here, dumbass" sign in the dungeon. Part of the fun was looking at the map of the dungeon and thinking "this looks like something could be here" and placing a bomb. It is an Indiana Jones like feeling where you search of a hidden something and when you discover it you feel good. My only complaint would be how stingy the game is with bombs, you cannot really afford to experiment when you can only carry a few bombs at a time and when they drop so rarely.

But I agree in principle, there is always room for improvement, we have to cut a game from 1986 some slack. Damn you, now I want to play Zelda again, time to fire up the emulator again I guess.

>>15729837

The map is handy when you haven't been playing for a while or if you don't want to stop after each screen to map things. I actually did draw my own map for extra retro feels, but it got old fast.

>>15729954

Impressive to whom? Miyamoto? Because it cannot be the market if no one has heard of it. Marvelous certainly didn't get its own TV show and breakfast cereal.

>>15730203

>Impressive to whom

Play it for yourself, it's a criminally underrated game and it has a translation patch as it never came out in North America, because Nintendo didn't want to release it with the N64 already being out.

>>15730203

Yeah I'm not a fan of the "cracked walls" tell either. In many ways I think ALTTP was a step backwards for Zelda because it became more obvious with its secrets, more linear, easier, and more focused on story.

While on the subject Illusion of Time/Gaia handled breakable walls really well with the player character's sprite being animated as windblown to show there was air coming through a crack in the wall.

And something as simple as the faint tinkling of fairy bells when you're near a secret is another good indicator, or Lara turning her head at certain objects when running around tombs.

As for Marvelous Another Treasure Island, it was one of those unfortunate titles that got overlooked because the N64 had just been released, so Nintendo didn't bother releasing it outside of Japan. I highly recommend playing it though. Translation patch is here, just chuck it in the same folder as the ROM and load it up with SNES9x.

http://www.romhacking.net/translations/2006/

>>15730522

I thought it turned out there were more islands to go to and King Bull/Blue had a line at the end about the treasure still being out there or something similar. What was the treasure supposed to be if it was there? I don't think they ever explicitly stated the treasure wasn't real or not what they expected. It made me wonder if it would've possibly to have another Marvelous game with King Bull/Blue as the main character and his pirates being playable with fully fleshed out personalities. Like incorporating some sort of RTS mechanics where King Bull/Blue can order around his crew.

Marvelous has really great music too, it really is a shame it never went anywhere. Do you think it was going to come back at some point during the GameCube era, but instead it's concepts and ideas got thrown into the Wind Waker? They have very similar themes and ideas with the pirates and whatnot.

>actually giving 5904c1 (You)s

>>15729441

>>15729431

>>15729449

So am I, and it works.

>>15728903

>implying it had any continues

>>15729362

>Post last edited at 11/14/18 (Wed) 08:35:29

btfo

>>15730638

>mods censor

>sucking mod cock

>>15731127

mad lad

>>15730564

>Do you think it was going to come back at some point during the GameCube era, but instead it's concepts and ideas got thrown into the Wind Waker? They have very similar themes and ideas with the pirates and whatnot.

Considering what happened with Tetra Trackers, yes.

>>15728721

>>15728721

>>15729362

>>15731127

>Being so ass-blasted about shills that you think that no creator, no matter how good, should ever get paid for anything they do.

>Mods supporting this.

There's a baby in that bathwater, you retards. Do you also pirate games from good developers because some other developers use shit marketing practices?

>>15731347

>Do you also pirate games from good developers because some other developers use shit marketing practices?

Yes, because in my experience, devs will stop being "good" when they realize that the shekels are greener on the reddit side. My money is all but guaranteed to be used to produce shit in the future.

And I certainly would not call Twin Perfect a good jewtuber by any stretch of the imagination.

>>15729501

>Is still,somehow, the best available internet browser around because the competition is even worse.

What about Sea Monkey?

>>15731388

Did you seriously think Notch was gonna deliver anything

>>15730638

>implying it had any continues

You could continue with a button combination on the game over screen. Down and B on controller 2, or something.

>>15731342

Yeah that's not an accomplishment. Far easier than Super Mario Bros.

Shit, it's A and start to continue where you left off in SMB when you Game Over.

>>15731636

>continuing like a credit-feeding bitch

>>15731646

>implying I need continues

>when i've done a no power-ups run

get on my level

>>15731665

Not bad, I've done it under 25 min but I lost a couple lives.

>>15731388

>All people will do bad things later, so everyone is irredeemable and shouldn't be given money.

By that logic, everyone in the world including yourself should just give up and die right now, or only be allowed survive by scavenging the wilderness. That's even more retarded than the last argument.

>And I certainly would not call Twin Perfect a good jewtuber by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't know him, but even if he's shit, that doesn't change the principle of the matter. Services like Invidious should be used by anons to avoid giving specific, known garbage channels money, not as a blanket moderation policy.

>>15728404

If you skip levels like a pussy.

>Realize I've played it tons but never actually beat it

>Whop it out on an emulator

>Going pretty swimmingly, get to world 7 with five lives

>7-4 happens

>Can't figure out second pattern

>Game Over

Fuck me who thought that shit was a good idea? Guess I'll try again later.

>>15729784

>You mean the embed related? That guy is an idiot. 1) RTFM, 2) there was a map in the manual, 3) you are not meant to find all secrets. That's why they are secrets.

>Twin Perfect

Well no wonder, they can't even make a review unless it's a feature length movie where they slowly comb over every single little faucet of why the tom huelette guy isn't as big a fan as they are, or the strawman interjecting with various bullshit they pulled from their ass. You can't expect them to actually figure out shit as complex as wandering around a video game until you hit the dungeon by themselves.

The fucking question though, is how fast you can do it, how long did it take you to find the warp zones (recall, there was no fucking internet then), how long did you realize that for the final Bowser, you just had to speed over the holes in the ground and go right fucking under him to rescue the princess?

Did any motherfucker here plat the old "Commando?" Remember, you COULD NOT SAVE and if you got shot even once, you were fucking dead. So you are talking about having to go through a 12 hour + game without getting shot and being 5 years old, and BEGGING your mother to let you stay up later since you already spent 10 hrs on this thing, until she just fucking unplugs it.

a Bit OT, but anyone here recall "Desert Strike?" I think it was a Sega Genesis game where you had tog o behind desert lines, take out missile launchers, kill enemies, and pick up friendlies. God, I need to get an emulator when I finish my new OC.

>>15737446

Original Super Mario Bros. only took me around an hour, no warps. With warps, 20 minutes or so.

>>15737494

>fag who still posts bowshitte even after the hype finally died down

>has terrible opinions

Not surprising.

Game aged like milk, and hard because of a clunky jumping a trial error bullshit, but in not a deliberate way like Castlevania or Megaman, but in a bullshit way like the rest of a middle of the road NES games.

this post is half true

>>15728414

>I could never figure out the pattern in 8-4

same

>>15739582

>>15728414

8-4 in Mario 1 is pretty easy, there's only a few choices, really. 8-4 in Lost Levels was a bitch, though.

>>15739614

Honestly I probably would have eventually beat 8-4 if I didn't get my NES after 1988 and had Mario 2, Mega Man 2 and Zelda 2 on tap.

I've had one chance to play it on the NES when I was six, and I never again got that opportunity. So, it will go unbeaten by me until I have another chance.

>>15728405

They're scrubs. The trick is go to level 3, get the extra lives via the turtleshell and then warp to 8-1.

>>15728402

I always get stuck on that last level. I've beaten every other one INCLUDING the Lost Levels, which are harder, somehow.

>>15729362

>>15731119

>video creator wants to shill his own video for shekels this badly

wew, for once mods are alright