/v/ - Video Games

>>15718497

Republic Commando was a dirt-tier halo clone that somehow manages to be even more consolized, featuring some of the sloppiest gunplay and level design ever seen in an AA/AAA FPS to date.

Truly a terrible loss that this piece of trash only praised by literal children whose first console was the xbox will never get a sequel.

>>15718504

And Dark Forces was a Doom clone that spawned the greatest Star Wars video game of all time, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. Republic Commando was ruff around the edges, but idea was cool, and Imperial Commando would have been even cooler.

>>15718504

>Republic Commando was a dirt-tier halo clone

Don't you mean Metroid Prime?

Does Disney actually hate the Star Wars brand and its actual fans? It seems like they do.

i would genuinely, unironically and without a shred of shame buy a TIE Fighter remaster where the graphics and literally nothing else were updated

>>15718512

Dark Forces was a competent doom clone, RC was not a competent halo clone. Also, Outcast > Academy by a mile.

>>15718540

Can't you just mod it with higher res textures?

>>15718520

Moviebob pls go

>>15718572

>Outcast > Academy by a mile

This so much. Academy had better multiplayer and skipped a lot of bullshit by giving you the lightsaber and force powers right from the start, but in terms of level design and general game flow, Outcast is much better.

The real shame is that Lucasarts will never make more P&C adventures like the ones they did during the early 90s.

>>15718497

>>15718596

>fam

>thot

Stop that. Speak like a human.

>>15718497

>Battlefront 3 never ever

didnt someone leak the entire game somewhere? I think it was here or in cuckchan

>>15718630

it was here but i would be shocked if that story didn't spread like wildfire everywhere. i have it somewhere on my hard drive

>>15718572

>>15718512

>>15718596

I preferred JK2's SP over JA's, and as great as JK2's MP was JA's ultimately overtook it with mod support.

>>15718497

those damn illuminati

>>15718497

>>15718596

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>>15718621

This is what happens when white youth are constantly told that they do not have a culture and that they should be ashamed of their peoples history, with nothing to identify by they start latching on to popular nigger culture and next thing you know you can't understand half of the damn words that come out of their mouth because half of it's unintelligible monkey speak.

>>15718826

tbh ur rite imo fam

>>15718839

No im going to spend my days posting on a /v/irginity maintenance forum telling all 5 people who bother to come into my thread about how good the old game that we used to play is and how bad games are these days.

>anothe P&C Indiana Jhones game, never ever

>Day of the Tentacle 2, never ever

>Fullthrottle 2, never ever

>Grim Fandango 2, never ever

>Monkey Island & Sam and Max, raped by Telltale

Lucasarts had been dead for a long time before the mouse bought the corpse and it was that absolute garvage IP called starwars and the millons of generic coockie curter brainded game that came out of that cancer that killed the studio

the (((Mouse))) and Star Wars are the perfect couple, like a turd floating in piss

>>15718881

>hipsters essential playlist

Cool

>>15719019

>t.room temperature IQ mutt who can only solve the puzzle "use gun on man"

>>15719029

>dude combine the nail and the plant and you get a device that lets you move onto the next screen where you use a nail and a plate to move on to the next screen

>dude you have to feed the bird which will then leave it's nest undefended letting a squirrel attack the nest while will make the egg fall on the floor which will cause the bird to go angry and attack the local hobo who is sitting on the only item that can progress to the next stage

>this is what you consider gameplay

>dude walking simulators aren't games lmao

>click click click click

>drags item onto other item

>>15718504

Republic Commando was fun and had great chemistry between the characters, that and KOTOR1 were the light at the end of the tunnel.

But the retarded retrokids don't pick up tie-ins games, so it's like Star Wars gaming never existed for them. As if every single 90s gamer didn't own a copy of X-Wing, Doom, Mechwarrior 2 and Monkey Island at the same time.

>>15719118

>puzzles aren't games

They really aren't. Games can contain puzzles, but puzzles themselves aren't games. Games have failure states, while puzzles have solutions and can effectively be solved. Once the solution has been obtained, there is no skill involved in the execution of the solution. For example, you could read a guide for your typical point and click adventure, and it becomes an interactive movie. It no longer requires anything from you.

Or you could read a guide for Earthworm Jim, and while you may learn where some skips/secrets are, the execution is still all on you. You can't "solve" the skill requirement.

That's not to say that P&Cs are bad, I enjoy them, but I gameplay-wise they're right there with walking sims.

>>15719157

It had cringey, predictable dialog between cookie cutter characters. If you found that fun, you probably missed all of the top-tier shooters that had been released before that, and had nothing to compare it to.

>>15718871

such is the fate of Atlantis

>>15719198

>puzzles themselves aren't games

Tetris would like to have a word with you anon

>Games have failure states

Sierra Entertainment can go fuck itself

>you could read a guide

or you could use a cheatcode… if you're a pleb

also you could probably use the same argument with RPGs and RTSs

>gameplay-wise P&Cs are right there with walking sims

so are most horror games with shit or no combat as well as most modern FPSs with brain dead AI

>>15719246

>Tetris would like to have a word with you anon

Are we talking about Tetris, or are we talking about Lucasarts point&clicks?

>Sierra Entertainment can go fuck itself

9/10 times these failure states are caused by your guessing wrong, not through actual gameplay.

>or you could use a cheatcode

Not the same thing at all.

>so are most horror games with shit or no combat

I don't see how that contradicts what I said, but sure.

>as well as most modern FPSs with brain dead AI

I don't play modern FPS, so I wouldn't know, but I seriously doubt they've removed all mechanical skill requirement.

>>15719198

>implying you cannot die in an adventure/puzzle game

>>15719277

>As for using a guide, that'd be equivalent to asking a (good) chess engine for the next move you should make in a chess game

The difference here is that the chess engine is dynamically playing the game for you, while a puzzle's solution is static.

>>15719293

>Games can contain puzzles, but puzzles themselves aren't games

<posts game that contains puzzles

Thanks for proving my point.

>>15719274

>first 2

it's shitposting anon

>Not the same thing at all

maybe, but what about watching a guide for a strategy game, if you alrready know the solutions to the strategy puzzle by your logic is practically a walking sim

>I don't play modern FPS

>but I seriously doubt they've removed all mechanical skill requirement

anon…

i…

>>15719336

>but what about watching a guide for a strategy game

If you mean something like AoE2, you're still going to have to effectively multi-task in realtime, under pressure, to utilize any given strategy. This is in stark contrast to 'pick up item A, use in slot B'.

>>15719359

Swap strategy with tactics, like Frozen Synapse. There you don't need reflexes and unless enemy positioning changes a lot a guide will get you through any level.

>>15719330

anon that game is all puzzles, its not just a game that contains puzzles and its just as much of a game as say grim fandango

furthermore the video is proving that you can fail at a puzzle which is what your whole post was about

>>15719407

>you can fail at a puzzle

You fail at a puzzle by guessing wrong.

2+2 = X

4 = pass

!4 = fail + play cutscene

That is not a game.

>>15719453

>2d platformer with puzzles

Come on now.

How much of pirates of the carob bean did didney rip off from monkey island/lucasarts?

I remember some pirate saying hello bobbin in the first movie

>>15719464

not with this one anon, there is no skill involved in beating this game with maybe a couple of exceptions in the later parts.

this is a slow game where you have to switch between 3 characteres to overcome all obstacles, there is no real skill chalenge to it just because it uses 2D plataformer mechanics. if you get a guide for it you can beat it like a walking sim

>>15719384

Apparently he had thought that Disney would keep him on in an advisory role. Obviously that was very retarded of him and the Mouse dumped him almost immediately after the sale went through. He feels betrayed and hates how Disney is ruining everything. Last I heard he basically is in semi-retirement at his ranch working on "personal projects."

>>15719786

maybe he was hoping that, but i doubt he actually had a choice

>>15719019

If we're talking point & click, those are among the best in genre. Or would you rather Sierra games which were bullshit because they wanted more money out of you on the hint hotline? Not to mention usually having worse writing, although King's Queef has a charm if you like drowning in camp.

it was really quite unique how lucasarts was able to release high quality vidya over the years. i don't think there's any other movie ips that made good games over the years. maybe it shows they actually gave a fuck

>>15719384

He's drilling oil all day long and enjoys being wealthy before he dies.

>>15718497

Fuck Disney of course but everything you're complaining about was in place before Disney.

>Imperial Commando never ever

Low sales killed it

>Star Wars Bounty Hunter 2 never ever

Never was planned by Lucasarts, no real reason given but has nothing to do with Disney

>Knights of the Old Republic 3 never ever

LOL TOR

>Battlefront 3 never ever

Canceled in 2008 by Lucasarts, we got screwed but the mouse had nothing to do with that one

>Star Wars Galaxies, raped

Again, blame TOR. Happened well before Disney stepped in.

Again: Fuck Disney though.

Anyone have those pics of the games that could have been? I don't have them anymore.

>>15720371

Star Wars fictional names took a nose dive through the planet's core after the prequels, god damn Lucas can't make up names for shit. They all sound retarded, all of them.

>>15720038

Some have failure states, but they still don't have gameplay.

>>15719996

Adventure games have bullshit puzzles to pad the length of the game. Playing Grim Fandango with a guide will save you a lot of hours compared to when you go in blind.

Adventure games are usually not very long but still fully priced.

>>15720482

What, you didn't like when the Darths inexplicably started sounding like fourteen year old metal bands?

>Darth Bane

>Darth Plagueis

>Darth Sidious

>Darth Millennial I'm dead fucking serious

>>15720038

even the ones that don't have death and game overs still have what for lack of a better word I'll call a stymie state. It's hard to die in Monkey Island or most Leisure Suit Larry games but it's quite easy to get stuck on a puzzle.

In comparison, Gone Home merely hides your keys; the only puzzle here is the question of where you haven't looked yet.

>>15727633

Republic Commando appealed to the virgin-/k/ crowd. Military bootlickers who can't stop sucking off "le delta force seals"

>>15727668

>standing behind a woman holding a lazer sword

>standing in front of a wookie holding two lazer swords

So Han dies in that comic?

>>15720727

Puzzles are gameplay.

>>15727681

Puzzles are puzzles.

>>15719398

>Maniac Mansion

That was a fun one. All character combos should work. Jeff the surfer is a gimped Bernard. Having at least one of them is highly recommended though.

>>15718540

This. Not butchering a remake seems to be hard sometimes: the iMuse soundtrack was sadly replaced with static soundtrack in latest "enhanced" edition.

I would like a comfy multiplayer space shooter though. XvT/XWA with better netcode and stuff would be my dream game.

>>15727633

>Tell me that it isn't generic brown/grey color pallete, bullet-sponge FPS slop that used respawning enemies to mask its linear map design.

That's simply unfair. There were also orange, blue-grey, silver metallic, and foggy green color palettes, plus some Trandoshan rust & hazy yellow. Also clean white corridors, if that doesn't fit in greyscale.

It did wear on you late in the game how much turned into take-and-hold sequences, but the excellent secondary weapons and good blaster attachments made the linear shootan an enjoyable experience of murdering your way through chaff from corridor to corridor or working your way in positioning around a deck to destroy spider droids & deployment pods. I imagine you'll counter the weapon point with how most of your time will be spent using the regular blaster due to scarcity, to which I'd say true, but while some think of it as 'bland,' I typify it as 'reliable.' It worked for most threats and conserved better weaponry for when it was really needed.

It wasn't awful nor was it incredible from a gameplay standpoint, although I think the 'glue your ass here' squad positioning was rather slick for a consolized shooter, though they might have done better if they found a way within the control scheme to have more granular orders; instead of 'go to anti-armor position,' it's 'go to this cover position,' followed by 'equip anti-tank launcher.' It was okay or good, with personal taste influencing opinion this way or that. The atypically grungy aesthetic spin and the perspective definitely do influence people into thinking more of the game as a game, but that just speaks to exactly how well they nailed it.

>As panned as it was, a game set during the Yuuzhan Vong War would have been interesting if only because it was so wildly new for the setting.

I'd play it. It's irritating how little play total war in Star Wars seemingly gets in games outside of starfighter entries, and the Vong conflict is the totalest of total wars. If I had to come up with something on the spot myself for 'Star Wars game that should but won't be made,' I think an RTS-FPS hybrid set in the Imperial Interregnum/New Republic era would be very neat. Like a psychotically high scale Mount & Blade smashed together with Executive Assault and Total War, or Empire at War, with the former being a proof of concept for 'ridiculously scaling high unit count RTS with all buildings having interiors' and the latter contributing a framework for reasonably detailed overmap economy systems in the form of pops and bonus contributing structures, though neither really had much in the way of the 'reasonably detailed' part themselves. Or maybe Victoria's absurdly granular system would be good to go by?

Add scads of start dates & positions ala Crusader Kings, maybe a custom faction designer if you want to start with an established base as an original character (both under a point buy system and freeplay) and you have a frame for plenty of interesting adventures. Want to focus on FPS action? You can do that, playing as a grunt or low-level commissioned officer, a bounty hunter or a mercenary tough. Ground forces and base building? A higher commission or a syndicate boss will do you fine. Want to keep naval pickets or run them? Start as a legitimate captain or pirate respectively. Commerce your style? You could pull an X and set up a finely tuned shipping system, or go a-smuggling with a personal vessel if paper pushing doesn't suit you. And if you dig into the industry, whether as a merchant or a military man, there's always the option to start fiddling with weapons designs and custom fitting vehicles & vessels, independently or with external funding, based on whether the design 'fits' a tag-based procurement algorithm based on unfilled roles in a faction or the interest & biases of an investor character.

Want to be a truly big mover & shaker? Canon big names exist at the highest management levels, and you can always move up there yourself through personal excellence and promotion or through force of personality, naked conquest and the butchering of your enemies until you can put on airs with whatever title & extralegal powers you like, Warlord Harrsk or Zsinj-style. Couple all this with large canon-derived events, available and mostly inevitable unless totally preempted by the player, and you can make sure there are some shakeups even if the player is snowballing hard. Things like Operation Shadow Hand, or indeed if the game drags on long enough, the Vong invasion. Plus the other weird EU invaders that preceded them.

>>15719398

>i don't know if it was possible to beat the game with all character combinations

It is but certain character combinations lock you out of certain progression routes.

>>15718497

>Battlefront 3 never ever

Next year :^)

>>15728056

It's a tragedy that we will never get George's sequel trilogy.

>>15718512

>>15718572

But the best star wars videogame of all time was dark forces II.

>>15718504

>epublic Commando was a dirt-tier halo clone that somehow manages to be even more consolized, featuring some of the sloppiest gunplay and level design ever seen in an AA/AAA FPS to date.

Funny thing, they had developers who worked on RC to work on Halo 5 We Wuz Operators and Kangz and Shiiet! And that game was fucking horrible.

>>15735676

It would have likely sucked but atleast it would have had an ounce of creativity.

>>15735676

>>15736437

Well the great thing about the stuff George made was seeing it made better by other people. You may not like the clone wars, but Republic Commando exists. You might not like the Pod Racing nonsense, but Pod Racer on the N64 was a fun racer.

And so on.

Why was that Bounty Hunter thread deleted?

I wish star wars was allowed to finally come to an end.

>>15727633

>As panned as it was, a game set during the Yuuzhan Vong War would have been interesting if only because it was so wildly new for the setting.

People who hate the Vong are fucking stupid. The only serious problem with the NJO was that the authors were too afraid to kill off movie characters after people got pissed about Chewbacca. There were a few bad books here and there but the real problem the EU developed is that Luke, Han, and Leia are still doing protagonist stuff well into old age while everyone around them who doesn't have movie immunity gets killed or corrupted then killed.

>>15718538

Current head of lucasfilm does, they control all star wars branding including video games, there is open dissent on their lookingglass page about people who work their and love star wars being dmemonised

>>15736568

The EU is still canon, no matter what Yidsney says or does.

>>15719384

>diet coke

I know no word strong enough to describe my absolute disgust.

>>15738417

It's the sweetener that coke uses to make it "diet," some nasty chemical shit called aspartame. It's sweet, but it tastes like ass

t. Won't drink diet coke because of the taste

>>15738417

Not only does it have a nasty taste, the artificial sweetener in it rots your brain. Soda is general is pretty fucking bad, but diet coke is like super aids.

>>15720093

After seeing the train-wrecks of the new movies, I'm at peace that at least Kyle wont be ruined. At best it would end up like Thrawn. I don't think Thrawn was completely bad, at least in presentation of the tv show, but those fucking retcons, and he certainly didn't live up to his legend.

>>15720126

you can still play SWG though. both versions in fact. the emulator community is small but very active.

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>>15748595

He just doesn't like the taste.