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>>15674296 (OP)

>Wanting to play the MMO that ruined the entire genre.

An hero, faggot.

I want footage of every female race's ass in motion.

>>15674310

This.

Also, what's there to fucking demo? We KNOW what vanilla WoW was like.

>>15674296 (OP)

This is gonna be such a shit show, I can't wait

are you under an NDA for this? or are they expecting people to leak shit all over the place

>>15674399

NDAs have no legal weight in the USA

>>15674421

Unless its the state then you get your ass hauled off to gitmo.

>>15674399

I'm one of the shmucks who bought a virtual ticket. Cause I don't trust bliz to not fuck this up, and wanted to confirm that fear first hand. Whats the worst they can do, ban me from Battlenet? I already don't play any of their games normally. Doubt this is even going to be a ToS violation, people are going to be live streaming this shit.

>>15674312

I'll see what I can do, once I can get in.

>>15674319

Correct. However, this isn't vanilla. Its "Classic". Vanilla ended at patch 1.12. Even on the login screen, the classic demo is 1.13. Anyone who claims to know what its like prior to playing or seeing this demo is talking out their ass.

>>15674777

Nobody fucking cares.

>>15674454

>Even on the login screen, the classic demo is 1.13.

Anyone who claims to know what its like prior to playing or seeing this demo is talking out their ass.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.3.0

Ok.

>>15674788

Whoops, wrong link.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288097/world-of-warcraft-classic-patch-1-13-build-28211

>>15674788

>1.13

>1.3

Embarrassing. And this is coming from the guy who just wants to jack off to 2004 3d models.

>>15674777

You should be able to tell if it's fucked in 10 mins or less. Detail the hundred little ways they've shat up the game instead of just directly porting it.

>>15674777

>carneasada

>not cownima

lol

Turns out "Classic" has phasing and the same item stats system as modern vanilla.

>>15674850

>Turns out "Classic" has phasing and the same item stats system as modern vanilla.

I wasn't going to pay blizzard a dime, but holy shit this would have been a deal breaker for me if I was interested.

Try to confirm phasing, items with stats rating, and the group finder thing.

>>15674310

Asheron's Call, Everquest and other trash were just that - trash. WoW absolutely destroyed every other MMO and by a long shot. WoW's expansions destroyed the MMO genre. TBC, neutral cities, dungeon queues, flying, greens better than epics/welfare for casuals, etc is not WoW classic. 20 man UBRS, battles to get into blackrock mountain, farming feathers in azshara that had bugged prices and sold for 10x the normal amount, abusing saviory deviant delights for attack speed boosts to kill rag before sons phase, bugged mountain giants at molten core entrance for triple pull wiping everyone in greens and blues in 40 man raids.

WoW classic basically invented MMOs, it was that much better than the fucking garbage empty world grindfests with ps1 tier graphics.

>>15674904

This is some really bad bait.

>>15674796

it has bfa icons, +1 crit instead of % modifiers on items, unlimited debuffs (technically there's a limit if you are raiding, so spamming all warlock trash debuffs or rend and other absolute shit push off rolling fireball debuffs, etc) and bunch of other garbage. better off just playing private server. it isnt technically vanilla wow.

>>15674777

>Blizzard havent put the Warlords of Draenor textures included in the game.

I already see wrong with Classic. People want the oldschool Wow of before, but no need to go back graphically, jesus. The old style is somewhat nostalgic, yes, and have its charm, but come on! 80-90% of modern Wow are mechanically, but the modern textures can stay.

>>15674928

All of the newer models look like trash, especially in motion. The run cycles in particular make me cringe.

>>15674904

>>15674917

Reminder that there are people posting here who were born in 2000 or later now.

>>15674954

I envy their sweet innocence.

swg died for this

I thought they weren't aiming to open classic severs until 2020?

oh wait

>the wow classic demo is playable for one hour

>with the purchase of a blizzcon ticket

into le bin. i hope you niggers aren't seriously considering playing this.

>>15675018

The one good thing about this is that we won't have to deal with endless gay ass "Muh 8ch WoW guild xD" threads if Classic ends up horrible shit.

>muh 90 minute cooldown

Okay this is just retarded. Why is there no official source of information about "muh classic" if people are reportedly shaking with excitement for it?

>>15675018

when it comes out yeah

>>15675037

By then you could have set up your own private server, become a Lua professional, and coded up enough AI players to satiate your nostalgia.

>>15675033

Good the only acceptable time an 8ch guild was tolerable was during jewveryst. Other than that, it's mostly been the same namefags those autistic fucks had since the start.

>>15674949

AND A BROFIST TO YOU ALL

>>15674949

>Level 15 warrior

>Able to fight two mobs without having to even eat food after

Granted my freshest memory of warrior gameplay was in eastern plaguelands at the awkward level of 54 but this still seems like bullshit

this isnt looking good seems there is alot left over from the retail client that they used to backport. they need to fix alot of shit for fucks sake shaman totems can be aoed.

>>15675094

I play on a private server, warrior is the hardest class and you die a lot while leveling, no stun, no evasion, no range, no heal, you get fear at some point but that's it.

>>15675115

That's why you abuse the hamstring ability.

where are you niggers watching this shit

>>15674917

>implying he's wrong

Explain why those other MMOs went the way of the Dodo, then

>>15675203

EQ still exists.

Ultima fucking Online still exists.

Can you blizzucks just fucking die of cancer already ?

It was never good. It's just taking you too long to figure that out.

>>15674928

fuck off faggot ass

>>15674904

It is bullshit, especially at that level. Warriors are complete dog shit until 40, at which point they upgrade to partially dog shit. A fight with 2 even leveled mobs at once is something you do with a full rage bar, with your potion cooldown up and ready because you're most likely going to need it.

>>15675094

Yeah watching a guy stream, and he fought 3 buzzards in Westfall and was freaking out that it shouldn't be possible. I care so little about wow but it makes me sad how Blizzard fucked this up so badly.

>>15675268

>but I remember that if you walk into a group of 3-4 enemies, your supposed to get fucking destroyed

You're right, a lot of classes struggled with only fighting 2 enemies. That's one thing I remember strongly was having to make sure aggro range was far enough way so that I wouldn't be decimated fighting off multiple enemies.

>>15675227

Also this

>>15675268

Can't get the video to play.

Can you check if anything is censored specifically the Nicker?

Also check too see if the Quests work well and are the same they were in Classic.

Did Mark fatfinger the rangeban/delete button again?

>>15675408

I linked the wrong video file. Deleted post and re-attempting to upload the correct recording.

Repost with correct (hopefully) link:

Bah, the recording came out awful. My fault on that one, I'm new to OBS.

Link for anyone who wants to watch the footage underwater.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/pn1qp2v1455725q/2018-11-02_14-02-33.mp4/file

Next take should hopefully be better.

So far my takeway is that the enemies all seem way weaker then they were in vanilla. I'm super rusty since I haven't played WoW in ages, but I remember that if you walk into a group of 3-4 enemies, your supposed to get fucking destroyed. I did that as a mistake, and didn't get killed. Also, regen rates are stupidly faster then they are supposed to be.

>>15674949

Okay, yep, that's the next thing I'm going to check once the cooldown is finished. If phasing is in, fuck blizard until they remove it. That shit alone ruins retail

>>15674928

New animations are flaily and suck cock. New models are okay, but WoW had and still has shit graphics, so not a big reason to complain.

>>15675384

Pretty sure The Nicker is datamined and has the original name.

>>15675255

Okay, this is not good. He could have gotten lucky with misses/crits/etc though. You don't get cleave until 20, which allows you to fight 2 at once as a Warrior. 3 at once without cleave at level 15-19 sounds ridiculous.

>>15675445

It's classic wow goy. Trust us we wouldn't do anything to disappoint our fans.

10 min ago

As you've noticed, the Classic Demo does have realm sharding. This is to let as many people as possible experience it without technical issues such as server capacity or spawn density getting in the way.

Longer term, we know how crucial it is to the Classic experience for you to see your friends when you walk into Stormwind or when you’re helping them on a quest you’ve already completed. And there should only ever be one Kazzak on a realm, no matter how many people are waiting for him to spawn.

We’re still looking at how we can best deliver an authentic Classic experience at launch, and in the weeks and months that follow - both in terms of gameplay and community. You won’t see phasing (which is tied to specific quests that don't exist in Classic) or cross-realm zones (which combine multiple realms together) in Classic. However, realm sharding is one of the best tools we have to keep realms stable when hundreds of players are swarming the same initial few zones and killing the same few mobs (like they will be at the launch of Classic). To that end, we do believe that some form of sharding may be helpful, especially in those early days. But we recognize that a cohesive world is critical to WoW Classic and are committed to bringing that to you.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769548630#post-15

>>15675510

they cant have sharding it will completely ruin world pvp and any farming spot imagine fucking world bosses or brm guild fighting with sharding

>>15675510

Sharding will never not be implemented. Its only going to go downhill from here.

>>15675510

>We’re still looking at how we can best deliver an authentic Classic experience at launch

By… giving people WoW as it was at the time of Vanilla? Why is this even an issue for these fucks.

>>15675510

No one wants sharding, Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar company that can easily afford enough servers. Fucking faggot frogs illegally put up a server that handled 10-12k concurrent players quite well for a private server.

Blizzard has no excuse, and my hype is gone since they're sabotaging a core aspect of the game to save a few dollars.

>>15675504

One day into the demo and they've already fucked it up. People weren't joking with 'no changes'. Blizzard literally cannot do anything right.

>>15675538

It's just a bunch of fucking wobbling. No wonder the smaller races look better because there's less of it there to fuck up.

>Six Blizzcon related threads

Fucking hell.

>>15675537

northdale launch had 12k people and everyone was stuck in the starter areas and it was fine, only problem was the dynamaic spawning was fucked

>>15675576

Listen goy we can only support one server.

The costs to do this are enormous. We cant support a classic wow like we used to we need you to buy more pets and mounts for more servers.

>>15675604

Now shut up and watch this 30 million dollar cutscene.

>>15675566

perfectly fine

t. obese jewish piece of shit

God, watching Alex shitting on this demo was great. Now, are there fresh private servers that will open?

>>15675628

30 million it cost at least 60 million How dare you undercut blizzards hardwork at delivering this 6 billion dollar cutscene.

>>15675644

a fucking fresh fag

>>15675652

>>15674853

Best we got here at the moment.

>>15674925

Yep, it's fucked. It would be the easiest thing in the world to make a legitimate vanilla server, a monkey could do it, and they can't even manage it. Some random frogs and russians can host servers that are basically the original blizzlike experience, but I bet you, the problem is the number of people with any real programming ability and technical aptitude left at blizzard, not just women and minorities barely capable of using engines/dev tools designed by some outsourced team of pajeets managed by a white man, that the number of people who actually possess the ability to reengineer the scripts and get it running on their hardware is too low for them to actually do it, they've lost the knowledge, so they are reduced to trying to create this frankenstein with the current tech and employee training manuals, i.e. all they actually know.

So literally all Blizzard is at this point is a stable of artfag slaves.

>>15675161

For real? Defeats the entire point, lol. Now there's no incentive to interact with other players in the world and travel from Eastern Kingdoms to Kalimdor for dungeons and have adventures along the way.

>>15675680

Been that way for a while now. They just hire Pixar rejects and other assorted new blood just to keep them out of the potential competition's hands.

>>15675658

I prefer a fresh start. How is Northdale though? Kronos was great with its no chink policy, but the pvp will suck due to the low population, especially queuing.

>>15675687

All adventures happen within the confines of dungeons you go to via dungeon finder. You don't need any sense of exploration or discovery. Enjoy your "classic wow"

>>15675687

To be fair, "interacting" with other players was always like talking to mental patients, at least when it came to PUGs.

>>15675687

Blue post on the forums says it's a "remnant of the leftover UI" and dungeon finder won't be in the release.

>>15675250

Maybe if you bought into the fury meme. Meanwhile on big dick arms spec you have sweeping syrikes, cleave and stance dance to whirlwind.

>>15675701

It was always about carefully curating a list of competent players you could call on, and keeping a personal blacklist of retards.

>>15675705

Why should we believe a single thing out of Blizzard's mouth?

>>15675701

That's what makes it fun, just like in real life you have to sort through retards to make friends.

Anyone know if quests show up on the minimap?

>>15675722

Oh fuck. there are so many ways for Blizzard to screw this up.

>>15675713

Its just a sweet little lie. Nothing wrong with that..

>>15675713

You shouldn't, but what incentive is there to lie? No one wants the feature.

>>15675695

other than gms being retards, ive been selling devilsaur sets to chinks and euros for 400g each so for me its been pretty good

>>15675322

added a real sense of danger, especially with old far ass graves to run back from. one wrong hit and boom dismounted and you're being pummeled and in a fight for your life

i think the dismount chance was much higher also in real vanilla, almost guaranteed to be dismounted after 1-2 hits from behind especially on 60% mounts most people had even endgame

>>15674904

This is the worst fucking bait I've ever seen.

>>15675203

What are you, fucking gay?

UO is still around

DAoC is still around

EQ is still around

Some MMOs died, sure, like AC, CoH/V, and SWG, but that was a lot of mismanagement on their end. The games were fan-fucking-tastic, just the companies running them sucked shit.

What WoW did was come out at the right time to appeal to the casuals that were starting to get exposed to the internet. It ruined the genre by it's casual friendly approach to things because it made everything too easy. After WoW whenever a MMO came out it was

>has new game mechanics

<IT ISN'T LIKE DIS IN WOW DIS IS STUPDI UNISNTALLED

>has game mechanics similar to WoW

<LOL JUST A FUCKING WOW CLONE DROPEPD

>>15675817

Yea, most people also didnt have enough gold at 40 to buy a mount either. Also remember carefully pulling mobs with my epic drop bow that was barely worth anything even back then.

>>15675843

>DAoC is still around

I havent played the game, but didnt it closed in 2014? There is Camelot Unchained that is an updated revival of the game, but its in the works yet.

>>15675868

DAoC is still alive and kicking.

Camelot Unchained is Marc Jacobs project after EA fucked him and forced him out of Mythic years ago.

I went from UO to DAoC at release and poopsocked the fuck out of that game. I miss it dearly and I have high hopes for Unchained.

>>15675888

>Go to really check if its alive, because is one of the few MMORPG I have been interesed.

<It is alive but its in ORIGINS

Fuck. I think I will wait to CU.

>>15675918

its a buggy mess but i will say it as promise if they fix this shit

>>15675918

Where's my ass footage you faggot?

>>15675932

Just play on Uthgard if you want the original DAoC feeling.

A handful of my old friends from Mid/Merlin are on Uthgard, but I think they rolled alb. I kind of lost contact with a lot of them.

Dang, I'm feeling all sappy and sad now because of all the hours I spent with those guys ganking.

Aesir, The Dark Arcane, Myth, Angry Elves, Boodwinter Clan, Evil Dead…. fuck.

>>15675967

>Uthgard

Thanks, anon! If I can, I will try this.

>>15675445

>>15675946

Blizzard and fixing shit… you mean like how they improved and fixed the game with wod pruning?

>>15675843

It didn't (or rather: doesn't) help that every fag devs felt the need to copy WoW from that point onwards.

>>15676046

well im not giving them money if they dont fix shit

>>15675161

does it have cross realm bg's? (assuming bgs are even available yet) That was the first big change that really started me hating the game.

>>15675255

I vaguely recall there were two different types of buzzards in WF?. Some easy low level kind and flying death ones. That was the whole problem of westfall. Certain mobs were just stupidly strong for their level. Like the harvesters or the mages

>>15674904

>Asheron's Call, Everquest and other trash were just that - trash

lol this has gotta be bait

>>15676811

WoW did need ability pruning

Shame it did so by pruning a lot of unique abilities and replaced them with duplicates of each others to make balancing easier

>>15677562

>rogue has dash skill

>druid has dash skill

ok

>add dash skill to paladin

Why the fuck ?

>>15675665

DOA

>>15677562

I don't want to hear a single person whine about ability bloat until they've tried EQ2.

>>15678170

They buffed the paladin 100% speed dash from lasting two seconds to 12 seconds last patch as well

>>15678519

fugg, i remember going back to eq2 randomly then giving up in 20 minutes coz i cbf relearning what all the spells did.

WoW was always shit, fuck off.

>>15678797

No point anon

Shitton of Blizzcuck shit eaters on this garbage board.

>>15677271

I don't get who blame bad games for ruining the industry, if a game was bad it would die off. Instead WoW was successful because it was building off an already established brand. It becmae popular because of that and other things it was doing. OTHER companies copied it, they didn't have to. Investors and the CEOs saw what they were doing and wanted them to copy WoW to try and earn that success. problem is again WoW was running off WC fame and thus already had a large playerbase installed.

A bad game would never ruin the industry, it's bad choices because people want to copy the thing that is making waves. Same train of thought for Halo, it's a middle of the road game, but because of it's acclaim so many games tried to BE halo or to be a "Halo killer". As a result they faltered and failed miserably or somehow clung and got sequels.

>>15679183

The funny thing about that example is you can do exactly that in (regular) WoW. How many people just flip shit on the auction house or in trade chat and never even play the game.

But anyway, that old style mmo simply doesn't work in the modern age. Ironically WoW was good for exactly what everyone complains about "Tigole" for, catering to the top-tier players and providing constant content for them to play. It creates a ladder where everyone else knows their place and has somewhere to climb. The moment they started making raiding more accessible is when the game went to shit.

>>15679174

Another great example. If people wanted to play WoW they'd fucking play it. Changing their game into WoW just loses their players.

>>15679222

All this raid focus was a shift to force the genre into focusing on production values, making sure than nobody could compete with Blizzard and it mostly worked.

>>15679115

it became popular because of an aggressive marketing campaign, more people getting home computers than ever before and psychological manipulation. world of warcraft has always been terrible except maybe briefly in vanilla when fun people were still around that did fun things. what's left was the raid nerd faggots

>>15679236

Change home computers to DSL internet. There's no coincidence that youtube and myspace got big at the exact same timeframe.

>>15679233

It really is fucked up

A good mmo should let you stop combat leveling any time and the content is still entertaining and full of substance. Think of how many MMOs are mostly about being as efficient as possible and speeding through mediocre at best filler content to get to endgame

>>15674296 (OP)

I just hope blizzkikes don't nuke other private servers for this.

>>15679200

>But anyway, that old style mmo simply doesn't work in the modern age.

Sure it does. It just does get 5+ million subs. Catering to casuals is not a requirement, it is only something you do if you are a gigakike.

>WoW was good

Oh no, it's retarded.

>>15679276

it's funny that amazon of all companies seems to be making a niche hardcore mmo

>>15679274

Private servers are getting smarter. Most are now RU based or a place in EU where blizzard can't touch em

>>15679236

Again a lot of the install base also came from WC and the SC fanbase. Marketing played a role yes, but it still had brand recognition going for it

>>15679349

>Again a lot of the install base also came from WC and the SC fanbase.

didn't account for the millions. wow had a slow start then magically shot up by the millions due to its massive and aggressive marketing campaign. they intentionally released false numbers and made people think wow was the "in" thing then grew from there

>>15679386

got any facts to back that up?

>>15679792

because official servers, at least in theory, would be pretty much bug-free and also not collude with the chinese to secretly steal people's accounts, copy rank 14 characters to sell, and sell in-game gold

>>15679792

Because people want stability and for some reason they think a company known for changing games radically for no reason other than to justify a bunch of worthless "lead game balance" positions are the best people for the job.

>>15679792

Most adults that play video games regularly are children that want to keep trying to go back to their childhood via video games. This is why blizzdrones are so fanatical. You are destroying their childhood when you call Blizzard a shit company or Classic is just going to be another Blizzard shit show. In today's society, natural selection ceases to exist.

>>15678502

Good list, but as far as arguments sake I think we need to prioritize where we focus on things. Stuff like the Modern Weather Effects and LFG existing in the client are extremely minor in the grand scheme of things (relatively, seems almost suspicious how private servers are able to do this on a shoestring). I'm not saying I enjoy it, but it is something that most people will have a hard time caring about and blizzard will use as an excuse to say people are 'nitpicking' their content. Same with the 16 debuff slots. Shit that needs to be front and center of the 'this is shit' argumentation are major alterations from the vanilla experience.

Increased Attack/Aoe Range on both Players/Mobs

GCD is too fast

Increased Item Droprate

Higher Out of Combat Health/Mana Regen

Higher default player movement speed

Crits do 2x damage, instead of 1.5

Enemys don't parry or dodge if you have cap wep skill for lvl

These are your opening complaints, they are there because they are completely inexcusable, mess up the way the game works, and are shit that should never have gotten into vanilla where the core concept was authenticity (none of it should have, but we're trying to make an iron clad argument here). This smaller list is what you lead with because it's your strongest argument and allows you to keep several things in reserve in the event of someone trying to justify them. But this list is stuff that straight up fucks the game on a core level. People arguing that it's all ok will either have to find a way to justify to themselves higher regen, GCD and movespeed or admit that these problems are so fundamental and presented to the players in a 'get hype' demo that blizzard will not change them and thus vanilla will be shit.

Meeting Stones Summon players

Legion itemization (+1 crit)

Guild Banks

"Main spec" priority loot system if players roll the same

Getting Buffs doesn't remove HP

Shamans can equip 2h without skill

Standardized Hitboxes

No Channeling/Casting Pushback from ranged attacks

Rogues can transfer combo points

This is the group of problems that you can fall back on after talking about those completely unforgivable changes. These are things that are obviously wrong, but either have a relatively small effect or could easily be changed or balanced. These come after the iron clad arguments because by that time people will have to admit that things have gone wrong if they're being honest. These things are obvious problems, and obviously wrong, but narrow enough in effect that if they were put out front could lead to standard 'but they'll fix it' thought termination to be used against the strongest points.

The new fonts, graphics, moonwalking and such need to come last. These are positively minuscule problems as far as game impact. This list is still important because the sheer number of these tiny problems is massive, and the more massive it is the more examples of them messing up Classic if people are still trying to argue that it isn't shit. If they go through massive gamewide systems that are fucked, and smaller targeted problems, then they aren't arguing logically and the only choice is to drown them in the sheer depth of fuck up that is Blizzard. More sinisterly, if people try to dismiss more legitimate claims, then people observing will likely give more credence to further claims, which will lend these smaller details more importance among the drones.

Good work compiling this list anon.

so, I read that the panel started

This classic panel is nothing more than Blizz ego stroking.

We worked so so hard to bring classic back, just for you! Working day and night, very hard work! Wow!

>>15680199

I pulled an all nighter to fuck this game up you inconsiderate goy.

>>15680199

You've got basement dwellers doing this for free on their spare time that are doing a better job than Blizz.

>>15674310

EQ contributed more than anything, FFIX and WoW were poor attempts to clone. And of course, a big retard known as Tigole ruined what could have been something great.

>nuanced

Here we go

If you can loot trade in classic there's gonna be a ton of other changes. This will be DOA.

>>15680239

You can say the same about many other games. I can't get in my head how many workers on blizzard don't even play their own game (or don't even enjoy videogames at all)

>>15679792

Probably has to do with private servers having possible cases of corruption, bugs, exploits, etc… Last time I played 2-3 years ago, a trinket from nax would give you unlimited mana for 90 seconds, which was supposed to be an unintended effect and they didn't fix it for months.

>>15680270

Lies. Remove the shirt.

This crowd is insufferable.

"We fixed a quest in the barrens".

CLAP CLAP CLAP

>>15680288

I'm guessing the April Fools guy has been v& at this point.

>16 debuff in MC

>can trade dungeon items

Into le trash it goes.

>>15680302

Did that panel seem short af or was it just me? Ion didn't go over shit. Just the basic hurr durr were so based we are not adding flying mounts. If they allow loot trading what the fuck else are they adding?

>>15679995

I don't understand why they implemented most of these changes in the first place, other than to quite literally dumb the entire game down.

>>15680288

have they fixed Azshara's quests though and the fact that there are only TWO ramps to get back up? :^)

>>15680288

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>>15680304

I can't find a stream at all, where are you all watching this?

>>15680312

>>15680312

some based russian

twitch.t/restreamalan

>>15680304

Looks like they did little work and have nothing to show. All they had to do was follow the damn old game, but they want CHANGES BECAUSE HURR OLD DESIGN WAS BAD.

>>15680312

I was watching some shitter on twitch but he got banned near the end.

>>15680315

Wait Ion confirmed that?

>>15680315

What did they do to Alterac??

>>15680318

Thanks.

>>15680319

>>15680322

>>15680325

he said it was too easy to get gear from the pvp old system and it will overshadow the early raid gear. Classic is going to released in parts, no BWL or old raids till much later. They have learnt nothing of why people want classic back.

>>15680339

I've had people argue with me that there's no way for them to have the old code anymore. Why can't they just copy off one of the decent private WoW servers they've killed with their own hands?

>>15680335

But that's normal, what will do wrong is going to release DM too early, that's gonna fuck the progression. AV wasn't out until ZG or later.

>>15680344

Or better yet hire some of the people who work on the private servers? They literally have no idea how to remake their own fucking game. It's so embarrassing.

>>15680344

They're intentionally sabotaging the game to make the expansions look more enticing. This isn't a new option for players, it's a honey trap for nostalgic idiots.

>>15680351

You might be onto something. Now Blizzard can "rightfully" say "lol we gave you Classic what more do you want faggots?!"

>>15680344

There was once a blue post on the forums saying that they had lost the old code, all of the versions before a certain TBC patch. It was quickly deleted, but I have no reason to not believe that it was true.

>>15680356

dude the entire company was corrupted by activision, its seeping from the pores, chink mobile shit and the cash shop in retail and all the time gating to keep people playing

>>15680362

Current "thinking".

You know they're going to change a ton of shit without saying anything before launch.

Friendly reminder the founder left a few weeks back.

>>15680363

Didn't the company go to shit before that though, with North getting canned?

>>15680371

Pottery

>>15680362

I'm guessing this means Mara will be right at the start.

>>15680373

North was the beginning of the end for Blizzard. They had solid foundations until they, for some reason, got rid of them. I like to imagine a better world where Blizzard North called the shots instead.

>>15680310

Raids. Ironically enough the reason they changed most of this stuff is kind of obviously because when you got to the top end content that it could only be so complicated. Thus making mechanics easier and simpler so that the raid can demand more of players getting out of the way of death zones and hitting cc/defensive cooldowns, at the expense of literally every other aspect of the game becoming piss easy.

After all, it isnt like having a huge ammount of zones with different strengths and weaknesses that are difficult to survive and play in is a great way to promote specialization, customization, communication and long term game health or anything.

I cant believe I only just now remembered my biggest, oldest problem with the game until I read your post. Ive been so defeated for so long. Fuck Blizzard.

>>15680344

>I've had people argue with me that there's no way for them to have the old code any more

They most likely don't a lot of devs get rid of the source codes for a lot of their games after they're done with them and no I don't know why, Square for example used to do that until they decided to remake the Kingdom Hearts games but they had to be remake all PS2 games from scratch because of this practise and Jagex was only able to remake 2007scape simply because someone found an old drive with parts of the code on it by chance but they had to rewrite the massive chunks missing from memory.

Developers don't really care about keeping old code.

>>15680379

Did North work on TBC or Vanilla at all? Would explain why the expansions after that are considered garbage.

>>15678502

>No keyring

My mind is foggy but I'm sure the keyring never came up on the UI till you got your firstkey.

>>15680381

The idea of having multiple zones per level bracket that isn't just some half assed line of breadcrumbs to the next quest objective died with FFXI. In that game the new expansions would add zones for high and low level players giving everyone more options, though it usually always ended up with some meta making everyone congest into only a handful of zones.

>>15680396

>>15680404

I believe they had some part in both of their development. North went away in 2005, WoW came out in 2004, so it stands to reason that maybe some of the North staff was brought into Blizzard to work on WoW and TBC.

>>15680400

You're right. The earliest place to check would be the warrior quest in Elwynn I think.

>>15680390

>Developers don't really care about keeping old code.

You're right and there's no reason for them to when typically they get better at their jobs. It's just funny as fuck Blizzard has degenerated so far they don't even know where to begin.

>>15680390

Grandfather-Father-Son backups are one of the first things you learn in IT. There is ZERO excuse to not have backups of every iteration of WoW from release to now stored away.

All the more proof that the actual work at Blizzard is done by incompetent pajeets.

>>15680426

I don't get it, why can't they just copy a fucking private server? I played Kronos 3 1-60 and the only bugs I really found were pathing bugs. Other then that the dungeons/raids/quests were much bug free.

>>15680430

Private servers reverse-engineered their code, it wouldn't work with the real codebase.

seems they're allowing loot trading on BoP items

WEW

>>15680439

What's the point of the distinction then?

>>15680439

It's going to flop hard because people will be scared off because Blizzard fucks every project over. And then they will be "We told you so! Vanilla was all nostalgia goyim!"

Dumb question, but which private server expansion do most people play? From what I have seen it has been Wotlk=Vanilla>BC and then whatever else is out there. Seams to me that they would make more money by putting out Wrath and Vanilla at the same time with possibly BC later on the extreme chance of Bliz not fucking up.

>>15680451

Servers will be flooded for about 4 weeks till players realise what classic really was. Then after another 4 weeks of mass forum whinging about how it needs, space goats, blood elfs viable moonkins, ele shaman, arcane mages, disc priest and everything else. Then it will bottom out with just the dedicated few.

>>15680476

The only reason so few people play TBC servers is because every single time a new one is announced it either flops hard or just disappears. I can't imagine what wrath servers exist even work properly.

>>15680476

netherwing and sunwell TBC will bring back TBC with large numbers. Netherwing looks very promising, and it honestly looks way better then anything Blizzard can churn out anymore.

>>15680477

That is the most likely outcome, even IF Classic was actually 100% true to vanilla WoW. Blizzard probably knows it too.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22646759/restoring-history-creating-wow-classic-panel-recap

>>15680518

Ded

>>15680494

That sounds about right. Wrath was when boss fights started getting stupidly involved not to mention things like vehicles.

>melee range is fucked

>spells crit damage fucked

>HP/Mana regen fucked

>hunters are broken, if you keep trying to cast something on cooldown your autoattack will reset

>mobs disappearing out of nowhere

>greens with +1 dodge +1 retardness +1 crit that should not exist

How can a company this size do something like this? A couple of nerds could do it right, ffs.

>>15680547

I think they are jewing it intentionally because they hate vanilla players and they want to make sure the new expansion sells.

>>15680552

If they can't even make a 15 year old game work, how can someone trust them to make something good in 2018? If this is intentional, it's the worst jewing since 9/11.

>>15680549

>Modern blizzard moderation seeing everyone actually fun to talk to getting permabanned

This will be the nail in the coffin, since Vanilla is so much more social then any other expansion. I noticed in FPS games like Siege people are scared as shit to trash talk or even say faggot over the mic in lieu of getting banned. Same thing with the new CoD game, from what I've heard.

>>15680558

>how can someone trust them to make something good in 2018

Didn't BFA sell like 3.5 million copies or some ridiclious shit? Still not nearly as high as previous expansions but still, they make a shit ton of people in the in game shop with leveling boosts/mounts/pets.

>>15680565

>they make a shit ton of people

*money

>>15680559

It just reads like shitty excuses to me.

>>15680580

I think they are legitimately incompetent and cannot make it work.

Either that, or they do not want to make it work like it should.

>>15680580

That's all it is, and explaining to the good goyim they worked very HARD to make sure they are bringing it back as authentic as possible! Insufferable faggots. I was hoping a diablo fanboy would go postal today.

>>15680559

I'll be honest, it's easier to work with what you have than rebuild it. consider that all they have to do is a line or two telling the game to dump combo points when targets change.

>>15680616

But again, that raises the question why they don't have the original client and server files from back then in the first place.

>>15680624

they'd later claimed that they did have the files after all

>>15680616

>>15680624

They're paid to make a product.

The "we can't make it work because the engine is different and rebuilding the old one is too much work" would be a very shitty excuse.

Q&A TIME BOYYSSSSS

Will they hold the people with questions at gunpoint? Will they be using (((Journalists))) to ask the hard hitting questions?

>>15680639

>Will they be using (((Journalists))) to ask the hard hitting questions?

Whaddaya thonk?

The cunts on the panel look like gaymers don't they? Not lawyers or corporate cocksuckers.

They brought the GRAND CORRUPTOR from the dead.

Everything is so fucked, he's the only man they have left. I wonder how much they had to pay him to show up.

Where the fuck is asmongold

At least the visuals look near identical to WoW from that time period. If you look at undestroyed Teldrassil from 2005 and compare it to BfA it looks like a completely different zone- it was purple and now it's hot pink. I was worried they wouldn't be able to get the lighting of the zones down, but they look true to the original.

>TOXICITY!!!!

Holy fuck PLEASE SOMEONE GO ON A KILLING SPREE

>>15680647

I want Remi to suck the blood from my erect cock.

>>15680705

>blizzdrones

>rebelling

Wait, what?

Longest non answer I've ever heard. He's a lawyer and a company kike to the bitter end.

>>15680727

It's possible that since WoW was their only game they've been clinging to, they've more or less been in a cultural bubble. So now they're awakening now that their game has become almost uninhabitable.

>>15680727

Guys probably spent a thousand bucks to fly from who knows where to get here in some really naive belief that "Blizz is back baby" thanks to classic and this is what they get. I'd be pissed too.

>>15680727

Some guy asked a question whether Blizz intends to "combat toxicity" and everyone booed at him, the panel guys weren't very impressed either.

But there's a "play fair" panel after this which is precisely about that on a company-wide level.

>>15680751

The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

To be fair, the majority of people who play WoW are subhumans who deserve whatever happens to them under the SockJuice brigade at Blizzard.

>3 transmog questions already

Just gas them all already

>I am a shadow priest and a proud Sylvanas supporter

Where do these guys come from.

>>15680790

Natural selection dosen't exist anymore.

>audience is 90% soylent white™

wew, how problematic :^)

There's a few things that modern WoW does that I wish/hope Classic does. Mostly it's the collection system, where you don't have to have an inventory slot dedicated to a mount and can use any mount on any character.

>>15680790

>worst spec from worst class with worst leader

this is like pure garbge

>>15680798

nah. you won't need it anyway. you probably won't get more than two characters to 60

>ion blaming the community again

Can someone shoot this lawyer kike in the head already

>>15679995

> LFG existing in the client are extremely minor in the grand scheme of things

no it's fucking not!

FORCING the player to CHAT with other player to get a dungeon group IS what make an MMORPG a MMO and by definition: a social game and create a community.

You meet them, chat with them and because it require effort you 'cherrish' it and keep them as friend for a latter dungeon, you create bound etc.

How many time have i made friend through dungeon running? Even moreso when back then dungeon were hard and so you could really see the personality/mindset of a player througha dungeon run.

LFG transform the players into NPCs . you can replace player with NPC it wouldn't change a damn thing exept please the players themself because at least: NPC don't fuck up and have the gear requirement.

This LFG is even worst because aparently: it match people between servers …

LFG is what killed WoW (and all other mmo using such system EvE still do not have LFG: you still have to chat with other player to do incursion etc even if that said incursion is pretty much scripted and "boring". ). If you are a player who don't want to "waste time" to find a group to clear a dungeon because your real life is too busy: then don't do dungeon. There is nothing wrong with just doing world quest.

That's why Vanilla and early BC was nice: your character could reflect the amount of work and effort you put into then. Not everyone could do RAID. Not everyone can be "world hero". But thoses who where couldn't be missed in the main cities.

>play nice play fair

I have a good idea of what this cuckold censorship will be

https://www.twitch.tv/restreamalan

is this the SJW pannel ?

>rainbow gayflag pins

>we want the game 100% inclusive and safe from abuse etc etc etc

what?

This cosplay is fucking gold

>>15680861

I actually had a friends list throughout vanilla, during TBC I added a couple more and after that it was just the same shrinking list as more and more friends quit. It was nice actually knowing a lot of people on your server

Lol, they cancelled the Daiblo Q&A and replaced it with "The history of Diablo". Holy shit this is pathetic.

>>15681251

>The history of Diablo

I'm expecting retcons.

>>15680861

That anon (I assume) is not referring to LFG being an active mechanic in the game, he's referring to the LFG interface panel being left in the client. Classic uses a stripped down 7.3.5 legion client, and most of the issues in >>15678502 are a result of that directly.

There was never a plan to have LFG in classic, the interface is only there because it's left over from the 7.3.5 client. In fact, the blizzcon setups have a newer build than what's available online at the moment, and the interface is already removed for that build.

>>15677300

I remember reading they consider classic era right after that first battleground was added.

Nobody should be surprised that they have to remove a bunch of Legion shit from the client. There is a server for Everquest called Project1999 that is intended to be the game from 1999 but it uses a client from the early 2000s, several expansions later. Therefore it has a bunch of buttons on the UI that are gutted like the "Find" button and the map, as well as stuff like "Shroud progression" that refers to systems introduced in xpacs long after 1999. Unlike P99, Blizzard has the manpower to clean these things up, which they are in the process of doing. That said, I think they're using 7.x.x or whatever as opposed to 3.3.5a or even the 1.12 so that they can cuck out in the future in some way.Expect some things to be fundamentally wrong with the gameplay. Sharding is only the first cuck out

>>15678502

Some of these changes were added during vanilla, like I remember the no opening chests in combat was a late vanilla change to fuck up people trying to snipe chest without clearingbthe area first and dispel needing something to remove wasn't added till cata when they added some talents and glyphs that could proc effects on dispel abilities

>>15679995

I honestly can't fault them for removing the shaman weapon talent. Even in vanilla it was clear that having weapon skills be granted by talents was a terrible mechanic that caused all sorts of issues. Not to mention until you got to endgame weapons like the arc reaper, unstoppable Force and bc gear it felt like a waste of a talent point as staves actually had surprising good damage due to their slow speeds back then, before Burning Crusade where blizzard decided "fuck you, staves are caster and druid items now".

>>15681296

Fuck that loser. :^)

Here's everything wrong with the "demo" that I found

>rage, hp, mana, energy rates all to fast

>mobs have lower hp and damage

>rogues can backstab without a dagger in the main hand

>front backstab trick removed

>wrath animations for all abilities, spells, and movements

>server sharding and phasing

>meeting stones can summon players

>shamans can use two handers without the talent

>dual spec

>legion icons and itemization's i.e. +1 crit on items

>lfg, lfr, and pvp legion menus in the game and can be brought up with text commands

>legion raid ui frames and markers

>bfa updated font

>brand new group ready check sound

In closing, the "demo" was literally a franken game put together from wrath and legion patches.

>>15682824

>activision fired every last blizzard employee slowly after the merger

>tfw they closed down blizzard north and killed the true diablo 3

They literally could just take the Nostralius servers and use them. But no, Activision would rather release a shit demo to make "you think you do, but you don't" a self fulfilling prophecy.

What's the best way to run your own private server?

I don't actually want to play the game, but it would be a fun screensaver.

>>15679276

My comment wasn't about catering to casuals specifically. It's more of a problem with the internet itself. Everything that exists is already well-trod ground the instant it comes into being. I don't believe creating an MMO around a frontier-like experience is something that can actually be done in an age of Wikis, regardless of whether or not it will attract players.

>>15682851

We WILL see a "Let's make an 8ch guild gaise xD xD" thread once Classic launches. Screencap this.

>>15682851

I'm not even sure I could sub if I do have a moment of weakness and want to try it., I've moved to an enterly different country since the last time I played wow, and I have no fucking clue how the SK subscription system works or if I could even access my old US account here.

>>15682963

Wikis really don't affect much. Mostly because you couldn't even do that shit in the "golden age" of MMO's. Asheron's Call tried to make a magic system that required experimentation and encouraged people to keep spell formulas secret and yet even in 1999, there were still excel spreadsheet lists of spell formulas and 3rd party apps to help you figure out component patterns online just weeks after the game was released.

>someone PAID blizzard for this shit

Mark ban this nigger ASAP, I bet it’s another gay pedophile tranny from reddit

>>15683119

>Dire Maul on launch

>World Bosses on launch

>1.2 Itemization on launch

>No Item Progression

>16 Debuffs on launch

I get the hate on the later shit like LFG, meeting stones, new item system and such, why is having the game start out with all of vanilla's improvements, and dungeons a bad thing? Do you literally want it to start as 1.0 bugs, half finished druids, sentry totem exploits, blink and Arcane Missile glitches and all?

>>15683250

Nah, it will trivialize the content and making MC much easier. Not to mention, it will kill the incentetives to make the old dungeon progression, dungeons > 10 mans > 40. If DM and dungeon tear 2 popped up, a lot of the other content will be kinda obsolete and easier. Kronos did it just right, but these fucking kikes can't bother to even do a decent job of mimicking neet Russians.

If you still play or care about WoW in current year I have news for you… you're an NPC.

All the things that make the game easier are the biggest issue.

Vanilla is about unity through suffering. People quikly realize it's better to be nice and help eachother out rather than trying to solo certain parts of the game.

If a warrior of all classes can actually 1v2 1v3 mobs as stated here then what's the point? Nobody will play together and instead will solo grind to max level which is anything but vanilla.

I have fond memories of spending hours fighting the enemy faction + elite mobs inside the maraudon cave. You and your squad trying to progress the quests to reach the eventual dungeon quest.

Once inside getting fucked even more because the dinosaurs have an aoe silence that lasts for 8seconds which they often chain back to back. This would not be the same if classes overperform and potentially make dungeons a cakewalk.

>>15683599

I think he meant to type 1.12 itemization, maybe

>>15683731

I forget was that when they added more stamina to cloth gear or when they nerfed all the crit% items and replaced it with the +rating shit so people wouldn't still want to use certain UBRS gear even at lv 70?

>>15683846

It was right before TBC came out. Apparently people were using those leather shoulders and the warrior T3 set all the way up to Karazan and that was somehow perceived as a problem.

>>15683868

in beta testing, I meant to say.

>>15682980

No, and if it is it'll be redditors or like <Iron guard> it'll be one faggot from 8ch and a whole bunch of redditors. Though I'd love to post the <infinity> "recruitment' video on the classic forums, just to trigger faggots

>>15683946

I remember kinda liking this game but something about it confused the shit out of me, like I was getting into halfway into something it expected me to understand that was happening offscreen.

>>15674841

>not Bullsheet

As someone who never paid attention to WoW, what is Sharding and Phasing and why are they bad in the case of WoW Classic?

>>15690137

Phasing is when a zone contains what amounts a story progression where the area changes as you progress. Such changes can be NPC locations moving, enemies changing, and other things. It keeps people from helping, and playing with each other because if you are in a different part of the quest chain you will not be able to see, or interact with the other players. It basically segregates the players even more is the problem.

>>15690137

Phasing is what >>15690151 said, and I believe it was first seen in Wrath with the followup to the Wrathgate questline, but Cata was when they really started going in hard with it. The tech has improved such that players in different phases can more often see each other, but it can be an issue sometimes.

Sharding refers to an entirely new instance of a zone being created dynamically when there are too many players in one area. The goal is to keep a decent population where players are seeing and interacting with each other, but not have such a high population that you end up with quest bottlenecks and not enough mob/resource spawns. You may be in the same zone as a thousand other players, but if it's split over ten shards, you'd only see a hundred. You'll always see players in your party, though. If the population declines, then shards are recombined. Sharding most frequently happens at the start of an expansion, and it helps tremendously.

From the Blizzcon Q&A, they said that Classic may have sharding if needed, but will not have phasing or cross-realm zones, meaning if you roll on one server, you'll only see people on that server. It remains to be seen whether they stick to their guns on that, but I kind of think they will. If you want the cross-realm features, you can just play retail, and Classic can stay Classic.

>>15683946

Holy shit this doesn't even look like classic. What the fuck is this mobile shit? What the actual fuck is Blizz doing?

Also

>no night time

instantly. fucking. DROPPED

>>15690255

I don't know if it will be disappointment or relief for you, mr. Dubsman, but the game in the post you're replying to is "Allods Online".

>>15680603

>>15680609

>the old school fan art gallery

Some of my most formative experiences were due to Drake Fenwick and other artists sneaking thinly veiled porn past the censors.

>>15690151

>>15690218

Sharding is actually a pretty shit idea at any point.

I remember playing at peak hours on Nostalrius, there would be anywhere between 12k - 15k people online at once.

It would be such a massive shitshow of players forming parties and trying to grab mobs, most areas would be completely deserted.

But you know what?

It was fun as fuck and quests were so much easier to finish than going solo and hoping you don't pull an extra mob and have to pop a potion.

>>15690407

It's astounding how much techno bullshit they're willing to shove into the game to solve a really fucking simple problem: the overworld is too fucking small. Imagine forming massive teams of players as you cross the world meeting other groups and forming an even bigger squad. As is, the game's map flow is sedentary by design and is only exacerbated by the fucking retarded reliance on shopping list style chores for experience points. I swear they designed half the fucking game to go against massive multiplayer gameplay.

>>15690407

Or they could limit realm population to a reasonable number instead of trying to cram 6000 people in a game world that struggles to handle 2000.

if you seriously believe that blizzard just deleted their old wow code i have news for you, you're retarded. there's 0 chance that they just deleted it and 100% chance there are versioned copies of the game sitting on a hard drive in a data center somewhere. as much as blizzdrones beg for it, there's not a chance in hell that they would ever roll back their own code because that would be perfect validation that everything they've done for the past half decade has been complete and utter garbage. instead, they'll go to any length imaginable to rewrite their old game using nudevs who had nothing to ever do with the original game and don't give a single shit about "muh classic experience".

>>15690969

Maybe some fag spilled his soylent on the hard drive and corrupted the data.

Even japs learned to save their source codes, no way WoW just deleted everything when they have WC2 source codes.

>>15690969

This is the wrinkle in their story that always bothered me, how much space could a box of hard drives possibly take up, why would they just go "oh Burning Crusade is out, throw these bitches in the industrial shredder"

There's no fucking way they don't have the old builds kicking around in the basement of Blizz HQ

>>15693405

They also still regularly update older games. There's no excuse that makes any sense.

>>15693545

Learn how to read cuckchan.

>>15693555

They specifically said that they all the data and code. If you took 2 minutes to google. Nothing is lost.

>>15674310

lol will never understand why people like this game

i play runescape so i guess i cant talk but wow is just

idk it seems so bad

like all blizzard games

Y'ALL POSTING IN A SHILL THREAD