ff1a56 No.15642477
Video game villains who did nothing wrong
pic related
3b120a No.15642480
22f6f7 No.15642482
>White haired dude who finds an evil sword that twists his mind.
12c904 No.15642492
He just wanted to save his daughter.
caea80 No.15642502
Pretty sure he literally succeeded in his goals.
505c10 No.15642503
>>15642492
>be androids tasked with keeping the replicant/gestalt system going
>try to reunite the shadowlord with his body
>doesn't work out
>replicant wants to kill all gestalts
>heh, he's alright, we'll give him all the directions he needs to wipe out the gestalts
>abloo bloo, nier you ruined everything
6e1b88 No.15642796
>finally puts an end to constant strife in the sector and reunifies terrans with earth
>actually subjugates the vast majority of the zerg
>only defeated after his enemies team up with one of the greatest evils on that side of the galaxy and guarantee she's going to dominate the sector for the foreseeable future
838a34 No.15642809
>literally saved the humanity from total annihilation
b74514 No.15642816
>>15642477
He just wanted to rid Pandora of bandits.
4abbfe No.15642823
>>15642809
>tfw get welcomed to city 17 by the legend himself
14cab3 No.15642826
>brought his people out of misery, restored his nation's strength and pride and lead a righteous crusade against the foreign invaders that stole their home planet for of money and resources
17e856 No.15642827
>>15642796
Anything past the first Starcraft is a crapshoot in terms of story anyway. Yes, that includes Brood War.
7b8bba No.15642835
>>15642477
He was just readying an army of undead to defeat the Old Gods and Burning Legion.
>>15642796
>Everyone's intelligence went into the shitter to make Kerrigan smarter than the rest
Glad the shit story and e-sports faggotry with the constant DLCs killed this franchise.
>>15642818
Which one? the clone or the original, or clone of the clone.
>>15642826
Literally did nothing wrong, but that faggot Stahl fucking ruined everything.
3b120a No.15642850
>>15642826
>Capped by a Goblino
>A goblino in the service of a organization ran (((space jews)))
Like pottery
6dcc3f No.15642872
>>15642502
He killed his father and still was a power hungry piece of shit who wanted to continue war.
He also ordered best girl judge to death. fuck him.
And don't give me the "but muh occuria" shit. Do they even show what they do to subject and "dominate" humans besides give them a rock which accounts for jack shit since ashe always got them stolen from her? I forgot the game but there isn't a whole lot of actual reason besides "we rule cuz we say so". They're pretty free reign.
>>15642503
They didn't explain shit to grimoire weiss their task that would have saved everyone. If they bothered to talk for 5 seconds all of the tragedy of neir and automata would have never happened. Top tier retardation.
>>15642817
Child abduction is never cool
461397 No.15642915
>>15642477
Jaina comes out
>I'm sorry arthas. I can't watch you do this.
Useless bitch. Doesn't dare stop genocide of innocents whom arthas will kill to prevent from being raised as zombies (all of my wat). The only woman Arthas listens to and even questioned his own actions as jaina turnes her back him.
>Jaina?
She had the ability to stop him and talk sense into him but just doesn't say a damn thing like a pushover.
831c7c No.15642923
fe4b0e No.15642939
>>15642816
>what are you doing Jack?
>getting rid of bandits
>kills innocents
459313 No.15642940
>>15642921
You can already see since the beginning that the only thing he wants is power, power and power
721ba8 No.15642967
>>15642477
IIRC some of the background lore actually states Arthas does have a sort of "sweet spot" for his Undead minions and will mercykill those who are too damaged to fight on properly (even if he still could use their crippled remains as cannon fodder).
I always dreamed of an alternate ending to the Human campaign where Arthas is about to pick up Frostmourne, but gets captured by Nerubians in the last possible moment. He'd bitch and scream at the spiders until the latter explain how they themselves have plenty of issues with the Lich King, and how the latter nearly turned Arthas into his Top General/Host Body.
Or, alternatively, a mini-campaign about the Cult of the Damned in its infancy.
>The (still living) Kel'Thuzad as a hero unit
>No buildings. You only start out with a handful of acolytes (retooled into basic ranged attackers)
>The only means of raising troops is by going from graveyard to graveyard, each netting you a handful of weak creep units (Skeleton Warriors & Archers, Zombies). The rare Necromancer you get is something you want to protect like your own eyeball for its potential to raise disposable troops.
>Finding a crypt gives you two or three ghouls, whose ability to regenerate HP via cannibalism becomes priceless in light of your limited resources
>Human footmen, accompanied by captains and perhaps the occasional knight, pose a serious threat in your forces when they were mere annoyances in the main campaign
>End Goal: Clandestinely gather enough resources to summon the first Necropolis upon the soil of Lordaeron.
d915e3 No.15642972
>give the galaxy the most coherent ending to the eternal sith x jedi conflict: destroying the Force itself.
>is killed for that
I never felt so bad for killing a final boss.
026845 No.15642973
>>15642498
would've been a much better game if you could side with him instead of fighting for faggy rebels
the jackal from fc2 is another one
ae5c95 No.15643017
>>15642967
When they were doing WoD there was so talks early on that the next x-pack would be an alternate version of Reign and Frozen throne, where Gul'Dan, Cho'Gall, and Terron Gorefield all replaced Ner'Zhul, Kel'Thuzad, and Arthas in their rolls in the scourage, where it'd act as a redemption story for characters like Arthas and Illidan, but it was either a rumor or scrapped. Likely scrapped since Legion afterwards literally was an Illidan redemption story.
87a510 No.15643065
To this day I'm still clueless as to why was he imprisoned for 6 gorillion years and why do we have to kill him in TBC
0b8076 No.15643078
>>15642939
You say as if anyone on Pandora isn't a fucking madman or a criminal already.
7978e2 No.15643081
>>15643060
She killed millions.
0b8076 No.15643085
>>15642826
Why the fuck are Hellghasts the villains of that game again?
fd9159 No.15643090
>>15643065
Because everything retconned into who the fuck knows what. "read the fanfiction books". Regardless illidan is a shit character compared to Arthas so who cares.
e497ec No.15643118
>>15642482
He did get the white hair until after he found the sword but you should know by now that everything Warcraft is a Warhammer rip off.
b83fbd No.15643121
e497ec No.15643124
>>15643065
Because he betrayed his brother and Tyrande by turncoating to Azshara's side right at the end of the civil war. Then, he made another well of eternity after they destroyed the original one and the dragons wanted to destroy him. Locking him up instead was the compromise. Everything he did was to satisfy his own addiction to magic. He's like that crackhead in the family who steals and pawns jewelry. The only reason he's not dead is that everyone feels sorry for him.
87a510 No.15643127
>>15643124
Yeah, but what's bad about restoring the well? I don't get it. Sounds to me like (((dragons))) are poking their noses in someone else's business
e497ec No.15643136
>>15643127
>>15643127
Dragons, along with the sea giants and dwarves are the first races created by the titans to watch over Azeroth and keep order. The kaldorei were basically a natural race that organically evolved on the planet, long after the dragons, dwarves, and sea giants had designed it. They stumbled across the well of eternity and were allowed to build a city on it's shores because of an agreement with the dragons to respect it.
Sargeras used to well to communicate with Azshara and enter Azeroth so he could kill the dragons and everything else that served the titans because he was at war with the titans. The destruction of the well was incidental to the interruption of the summoning spell, but it was determined that the well serves no benefit to the creatures living on Azeroth. It is simply a direct portal to the twisting nether and, therefore, a dangerous thing to keep open.
The dragons will do whatever they need to prevent the burning legion from coming, because they are deliberately coming to destroy the dragons. The kaldorei serve the same interests as the dragon due to an ancient alliance that Illidan betrayed. And he had no good reason besides his own addiction, especially considering his hate boner for Sargeras. He basically gave the legion a new opportunity to invade because he is weak. And, to nobody's surprise, Illidan started acting like a faggot again as soon as they set him free.
0b8076 No.15643143
>>15642477
>>15642967
I always feel weird when thinking about omnicidal maniacs, and characters trying to destroy life on the planet, mind controlled or not. It always feels weird to see them taunt their enemies and tell them to give in to their demands. It felt to me like that when Arthas was trying to get to the Sunwell, and tell the elves to just give it to him. I mean, even if they did, that just means that they would be eventually fucked in the long run.
Same with Deathwing, when he actually has some moment of taunting a character to give up if they don't want to die. I mean, that just puts him closer to killing fucking everyone, so he doesn't have much ground to stand in in negotiations.
For this reason I love when characters like that gain some sort of political allies in the world, because it's always fascinating to me to explore a relation that a country/person with it's own motivation would have with allying with such a threat. Do they think that they can backstab them after a while and are basically taking a risky move? Do they wish for the end of the world/life themselves? Were they brainwashed/mindbroken to help him? Or maybe they just do not believe the threat is as big as it is.
This might be a slightly autistic thing to think about but holy shit I'm really fascinated by such characters and especially their relations with others. Anyone feel the same way?
2e649e No.15643144
>wants to make babies with a goddess at any cost
>godhood is a means to an end so he could be stronger than her in order to imprison her and live together with her forever and ever
To be fair, there was a bit of collateral damage across 2 games, but the man's dedication to making his dream a reality is something I can only admire.
Had she said "yes," everything could have been avoided and they could live modestly in peace.
He doesn't really care about power, only her.
>>15643065
Because he colluded with the Burning Legion the first time they invaded in exchange for power.
That's why everyone in WC3 calls him a "betrayer" and doesn't trust him.
His character is a bit weird.
On the one hand he (supposedly) wants to redeem himself, on the other he can't stop snorting daemon crack.
For TBC they just lazily made him "go insane" or something, so before the launch of that expansion there was a short event during which daemons invaded Azeroth again.
>>15643127
I'm probably wrong, but I think the dragons are physical representations of matters like magic and time as well as guardians of the world.
87a510 No.15643146
>>15643136
Well, I already knew most of that. To me it looks more like dragons are being faggots tbh. And why do we have to kill him in Outlands? Dragons again?
87a510 No.15643149
>>15643144
>Alright, so basically Illidan's writing is dogshit and we can leave it at that. Another mystery solved
87a510 No.15643153
>>15643149
disregard the quotation
721ba8 No.15643157
>>15643143
You like SC:Broodwar, don't you? But yeah, desperate alliances are a fun thing to watch as they develop and blow up.
What irritates me is that most villains always go for full world control. Granted, it's difficult to claim that you just want your own little patch on the map and will leave your neighbors alone if you command an army of Undead abominations, but I would love to see a villain who not long is content with a single country (for the time being), but also can talk his allies into believing that him ruling over said country is in their best interests.
Like, say, a vampire that claims a small barony for himself and openly drinks the blood of the local maidens, but also makes sure that the bandits and smugglers who used to plague the region seemingly disappear from the surface of the world over night.
e497ec No.15643159
>>15643146
>And why do we have to kill him in Outlands? Dragons again?
I really only know the lore from the RTS games. I'm not touching WoW. And the biggest mistake the dragons made was not to just burn up all the kaldorei as soon as they discovered the well. They are a weak and emotional race. It was obvious they weren't strong enough to control the magic and it was only a matter of time before one of them went full retard and let the demons in just for a fix.
2e649e No.15643160
>>15643143
That's pretty much the alliance between Sylvanas with her rebel undead and the human remnants led by Garithos against the Scourge.
Garithos was hoping to get the capital back. Why would he want ruins is beyond me, but despite all the "did nothing wrong" memes he's actually a bit of a retard which got him killed in the end.
And I think that the greatest insult here is how he is supposedly distrustful of other races but will happily accept a deal proposed by a dead elf woman.
It's clear as day Sylvanas just wanted to use him to fight more easily, but how anyone on the human side didn't knock some sense into that idiot is beyond me.
>>15643149
I hate to say it, but you're probably right.
I think some anons here also pointed out how Malfurion's character is a bit unusual too, but I don't remember too much about him to say for sure.
70c6bb No.15643165
Do we need a weekly thread of this?
d70567 No.15643231
3449d7 No.15643257
>>15643136
>The dragons will do whatever they need to prevent the burning legion from coming, because they are deliberately coming to destroy the dragons
>And he had no good reason besides his own addiction, especially considering his hate boner for Sargeras
Seems to me that the Dragons aren't much better than Illidan. They only want to save their own skin.
>>15643143
You should watch Overlord. By the end of this season Ainz show his power to 2 nations at once, and needless to say everyone is fucking terrified since he killed ten thousand of people in a moment and then killed even more. One of the kings decided to ally with him to do that simply because his power was overwhelming and in hopes that with that demonstration power all nations of the world could unity to try and stop him.
>>15643144
>On the one hand he (supposedly) wants to redeem himself, on the other he can't stop snorting daemon crack.
That's literally what happen with drug addiction.
>>15643160
>Garithos was hoping to get the capital back
He trusted Sylvanas. He should have known better.
e497ec No.15643286
>>15643257
>Seems to me that the Dragons aren't much better than Illidan. They only want to save their own skin.
No they really are better than Illidan. Self-preservation is understandable. Illidan isn't self-preserving. He's feeding a lust he's too weak to control.
59bf1f No.15643302
lets just get the obvious out of the way here
8f5034 No.15643399
>>15643159
But thats what Malygos was trying to do; suck all the magic out of the world so it can't be misused by mortals anymore, up to and including summoning the legion. Then again, it probably would have caused more problems and the legion brings their own twisted brand of magic with them.
>>15643144
I thought in TBC the invading demons belonged to the Legion? They retconned him again to be a hero in the Legion expansion and its all too fucked up. The lore is just way too fucked up they don't even care anymore, its just dressing for a twenty-year running skinnerbox experiment. Future generations will look at WoW as a compelling reason to strip people of individual rights.
08af06 No.15643453
>>15642477
MUUHHH CORRUPSHUNNN
e497ec No.15643455
>>15643399
Malygos isn't mentioned in the WC3 manual. He didn't exist until later and his entire concept is stupid. The sea giants represent the water, so they didn't need to invent a fourth dragon to represent the water.
239870 No.15643467
>>15643136
>>15643160
>>15643143
I started to feel interested in replaying Warcraft's from 1 to 3+FT afte reading these but quick check on wikia about Illidan, Arthas etc and how they've been handled in WoW and yeah… nope.
8f5034 No.15643468
>>15643455
>Malygos isn't mentioned in the WC3 manual
Pretty sure he's always been one of the dragon aspects.
>>15643467
Frozen Throne is just a setup for their MMO sequel and shipped with a trailer for WoW on-disk.
e497ec No.15643474
>>15643468
I have the manual for Warcraft 3 in my hands. There are only three dragon aspects, plus the deathwing which origanted on draenor. Malygos is a retcon after a retcon after a retcon.
e497ec No.15643480
>>15643474
Or deathflight or whatever the call it.
2e649e No.15643481
>>15643467
>caring about WoW's story
>implying that garbage can even be considered canon
Just play the damn games.
Also, there's a Warcraft 1 campaign adaptation in the engine of 3, so play that.
>>15643468
The story of Warcraft will always be over with the final cinematic of TFT.
It was a great ending, despite some loose ends.
The bonus campaign was complete garbage though.
a3c500 No.15643513
>>15642482
>>15643118
>rip off of warhammer
Nigga I will cut you
daf88e No.15643531
>>15642835
>Which one? the clone or the original, or clone of the clone.
The original.
52db92 No.15643564
>>15643302
Nyarlathotep did nothing wrong, it was Philemon who agreed to his terms.
4d7b20 No.15643567
>>15642972
Oy vey you mean you don't want the (((jedi))) to rule eternally over the universe with their bullshit powers? Fucking racist sith scum.
8e816d No.15643609
>>15642482
sounds like melnibone dude to me actually
22ba09 No.15643799
>>15643118
Of course because Blizzard wanted the warcraft IP which they couldn't get.
>>15642835
No we gotta make the same game just release it 3 different times so people buy the same game 3 times!
I have no clue who at Blizzard thought that was a smart idea. Just 3 larger campaigns and then 2x a DLC would've been a better idea.
465452 No.15644017
>>15642477
Culling of Stratholme was justified.
Hunting Mal'ganis was justified.
Burning the boats was justified.
Wielding Frostmourne and donning the Helm of Domination, however, are the equivalent of willingly sucking a dead orc's ghost cock for all eternity. He'd gone so strongly in the direction of "being willing to make hard choices" that he decided to make the worst possible choice at the worst possible moment because he figured if the choice sucked and had horrible drawbacks, it had to be the right one!
>>15642480
Garrosh was close to doing nothing wrong. Culling the warlocks was justified, and the only reason it was treated as "bad" is because "muh PC's can be warlock tho!" Even the bombing of Theramore can be justified if you look at it from the perspective of pre- and post-Cataclysm geopolitics. Pre-Cata, Theramore was one city on one island off the coast of a non-strategic swampland. Post-Cata, Theramore had built a superhighway straight west through the swamp and moved an army into the Barrens, creating a warzone right on the doorstep of the Horde capitol. Very similar, in terms of distance and army size, to the "Dark Horde" in vanilla, based out of Blackrock Mountain, near to Stormwind and Ironforge. And we know what happened to everything in Blackrock Mountain.
>>15643144
I think that people can reach a point of such acute autism that, like animals, they can no longer really be held morally accountable for their actions. Lezard has exceeded that autistic event horizon. What he did, if done by a more normative person, would be a moral failing. In his case, it's just an expression of a primal, even elemental autistic force.
f5758d No.15644073
>>15643085
Because being anything but a serf is bad goy.
2e649e No.15644380
>>15644017
>Culling of Stratholme was justified.
Yes.
I recently found out they cut some of the stuff from that map.
The townsfolk were supposed to beg for mercy instead of staying quiet and children were meant to be included among them.
>Hunting Mal'ganis was justified.
He would have been better off hunting Ner'zhul instead, but then again, he had no idea he existed.
As far as Arthas was concerned, Mal'ganis was the sole leader of the scourge.
It's not so much that it was justified, he just didn't know any better.
>Burning the boats was justified.
This one I'm not sure about.
I think it's a terrible idea to cut off your only escape and I don't believe it would have done his men any favours when it came to morale, but that is debatable.
It's also a bit annoying how the king's emissary gave the orders to his troops directly, completely ignoring any chain of command.
In truth, Arthas should have received the orders to withdraw, but could choose to simply ignore them and stay quiet, but I guess the writers wanted to give more impact to his decision to stay.
>In his case, it's just an expression of a primal, even elemental autistic force.
I couldn't agree more.
That intense, concentrated autism is what makes Lezard absolutely amazing.
But the best part of it all is his motivation – unlike most villains who are interested in ordinary things like ruling the world, destroying it or becoming deities, he does it all for love.
In fact, I'm not sure if you could even call him a villain.
Once he actually got his heart's desire, I don't think he'd actively work to make the world a worse place. If anything, his happiness would either make him seclude himself with Lenneth or she'd influence him to try and make the world more pleasant.
207580 No.15644406
Haha I remember these threads when they were on 4chan.
a3cd1f No.15646340
Unless gambling is wrong.
7ee447 No.15646359
>>15646340
Never did anything wrong, if Dark Prophecy wasn't cancelled, you'd see him fucking the Hylden and making Nosgoth great again.
6d8801 No.15646678
>>15643081
Yes. She killed millions of sperm cells, just like every other Street Fighter girl.
2362e7 No.15646800
>>15643085
They wear nazi hats.
7ee447 No.15646808
>>15646800
And Guerilla Games are Dutch, they're still butthurt.
000000 No.15646894
>>15642972
Kreia was a great character. It's a pity KotOR 2 was so rushed. There was originally going to be a different route where the end-boss would've been Atris, not Kreia.
4d1b9d No.15647157
>>15642498
Except Amanda blamed Lara for no fucking reason. She had no quality of forgiveness and empathy or even understanding. If she'd had, she'd have realized that in that situation Lara couldn't have done much more.
ef1bdc No.15647272
>>15642477
dear old friends, remember Navarro
bb788b No.15647285
>>15646894
It seems a common recurrent trend for old obsidian is they were always being rushed to finish games, at the detriment of its quality. At least for FNV and Kotor 2, both of which, iirc, got under 2 years development time to make the entire thing.
929fea No.15647296
>>15642477
>Made his ordeal a personal revenge story with no regard for others
>Nothing wrong
bb788b No.15647315
>>15647296
>soundless webm
>cuckchan filename
>furshit
Anon, why is that saved on your pc?
58ac7d No.15647357
>alien overlord with all the smugness of Disney's Hades
Zinyak is the most underrated vidya villain ever tho.
8f5034 No.15647363
>I recently found out they cut some of the stuff from that map.
>The townsfolk were supposed to beg for mercy instead of staying quiet and children were meant to be included among them.
How'd you find that out? Sounds juicy.
ac6523 No.15647388
>>15642972
I wonder if Lucas ever played KOTOR 2 or at least knows of Kreia and how good a character she was.
38eb75 No.15647395
>>15642503
the original nier's writing is complete ass and makes no fucking sense. they need to make a game about surviving inside Jerusalem during the red eye plague to make up for that abomination of a story.
000000 No.15647421
>>15647285
If not for the Content Restoration Mod KotOR 2 would be a much worse game and even that can only do so much compared to the missing content they never got to work on. It's pretty damn depressing Lucas Arts didn't let them continue working on the game after releasing it.
>>15647388
Kreia pretty much determines KotOR 2 tbh. Either you thought she was a good character or you didn't like the game.
000000 No.15647427
>>15644406
You're right that this is a pretty low effort template thread, but if the thread can be redeemed by quality posts it's still tolerable.
0b8076 No.15647537
>>15644017
Reminder that fucking no one actually died in Theramore besides actual soldiers, the civilians were actually evacuated. Besides the rest of the Horde leaders are bitching at Garrosh for bombing a strategically important point.
Turns out the only reason why Blizzard turned Garrosh into a villain was because the fanbase was bitching too much about him and they got scared of making him grow into a good warchief
4ce8a3 No.15647554
0b8076 No.15647584
Honestly only because SMT devs are terribly fucking biased towards Chaos, and you can see this very easily. This is not even a gray-gray conflict, Chaos is just superior to Law in the case of SMT, just because of YHWH. The neutral route is the most sensible one most of the time but that has different effects. Seriously if any other character was leading law, and actually cared about humans, then even with the anti-freedom stance that would at the very least be viable choice. I know that it must be like that due to the Gnostic theme of the game, but it's not like it's a problem that cannot be fixed with some good writing.
3edb71 No.15647656
<William Birkin
>Creating cure to almost everything
>Not genetically engineered like literally every other villain in RE, just a normal guy
>Wesker sees him as an equal and a bro
>Umbrella gets antsy when Wesker turns traitor
>Decide to take the virus before it's done
>Literally almost done
Imagine if he just had maybe another month, we would've had armies of Sherrys running around
Caim
Empire started it
Luther Lansfield
Our creator will return to us
>>15642872
>If they bothered to talk for 5 seconds
I see this argument in every Nier thread and it makes no sense
>Alright Nier, we need to talk
>You're all Gestalts, and shades are the real humans
>Now we need you to give up your sentience so the real humans can live their life again, kay?
And that's not even mentioning what would happen if they went through with it and Kaine's original realized thanks to a glitch she's now got a dick
3edb71 No.15647762
>>15647656
See Caim, but replace Empire with Goblins
6f62dd No.15647807
>>15643144
Tell me more about Lezard and his story? I know you want to.
b9c5e7 No.15647829
>>15647537
I bet it was Alliance playing niggers. Fuck Allyfags.
2f98d0 No.15647852
>>15642477
Just wants to spread order and retake his kingdom.
2f98d0 No.15647862
>Wants to return stolen property to its rightful owner and bring his followers to paradise.
<"The bad guy"
0b8076 No.15647866
No matter how many times I post her, it still hurts. She had her flaws true, but how could anyone treat a good friend like Teagan the way Alto did. At the very least we love her
b5692e No.15647875
>>15647829
Why do you have so much hatred for anyone not represented by totally-not-nogs? Is it because you're another idiot parroting the idea that the violent, stupid, ugly and dark skinned race "isn't a nog stand-in because they can create a civilization unlike nogs xD"?
2f98d0 No.15647877
>>15647866
Is there a /v/ or /pol/ tier run of that game I could watch? I have heard it's """""good""""" for all the wrong reasons and want to see what everyone is talking about.
22af7d No.15647879
>>15647862
Wasn't the "Paradise" basically a rapetorture dungeon where the followers were killed over and over, but they couldn't die?
4e25fc No.15647887
>>15647877
I have some streams I could share with you, but it's honestly one of those things that's better to experience live. If all goes well, there should be a winter stream of the game this year.
0b8076 No.15647889
>>15647877
We do a stream every year.
2f98d0 No.15647902
>>15647887
>>15647889
> If all goes well, there should be a winter stream of the game this year.
>We do a stream every year.
ETA?
b28b07 No.15647962
>tries to save humanity from certain destruction
>manipulates a criminal organisation into helping him AND destroy itself later
>advances humanity thousands of years down the evolutionary line
>only reason he's considered a bad guy is because some contractors of his took some shit from 5 or 6 guys squatting in a broken castle because they wouldn't share their medical technology with anyone
Would have been seen as a great hero if it wasn't for Gerald and his antics.
b28b07 No.15647974
>>15647879
no, that's the plot of an episode from the silver surfer cartoon.
7978e2 No.15648015
>>15647554
Sorry, I meant to say billions.
2f98d0 No.15648025
>>15647879
partially. Mehrunes Dagon lied to him, and once the people got to the paradise they got killed over and over by daedra. That just makes Mehrunes Dagon an extra evil cunt, not Mankar Camoran a bad guy.
2f98d0 No.15648058
>>15648025
Also it's a culture conflict type of thing. The daedra consider war and death to be the most enjoyable things out there. They saw peaceful cult followers to be pussies with no honor.
4e25fc No.15648140
>>15647866
The way this game is written, you actually somewhat sympathize with Alto in Movement 1, but Movement 2 and the rest of the game, she starts revealing all this shit that would most certainly would have helped them, but she just kept it all to herself.
>>15647902
There might be one in a little under two months, around Christmas time. If not, you can wait for the August stream or just watch the recordings which I'll see if I can find.
2f98d0 No.15648218
>>15648140
>I'll see if I can find.
I'll try to wait, but I'd hate to not have a back up plan. If you can find those I would appreciate it friendo.
485c0d No.15648221
Not OP because he's a faggot
caebfa No.15648226
Hitler was in vidya, so Hitler Did Nothing Wrong.
485c0d No.15648227
485c0d No.15648228
6c3ee8 No.15648233
>>15642477
i'm so sick of seeing that fucking picture
540306 No.15648238
>>15648233
Is it the tooth gap?
1a61f9 No.15648245
>>15647887
>>15647889
As long as Thassil is still alive
2f98d0 No.15648263
>World is a post-apocalypse hellscape
<just wants to put everyone in the matrix so they can be happy.
2f98d0 No.15648271
>>15648263
forgot to mention, that's Pyramid from Enslaved: Odyssey to the West
207580 No.15648299
>>15643513
>>15643609
Elric was albino, but yeah, his stories fueled a lot of fantasy stuff that's made its way into the present day
4e25fc No.15648347
078634 No.15648357
>>15642477
Arthas actually did do things wrong, but if the retcons are true then Sargeras is actually a good guy in WoW. You see, he created the Burning Legion to get rid of the nightmarish Cthulu void creatures who hid in the deepest parts of the Galaxy. The Legion's demons were actually mongloid space creatures he imprisoned before he went insane. Considering how much of a pushover they were proved to be in Legion, they're much less of a threat than the Old Gods. Since the rest of the Titans wouldn't do their work to kill the Old Gods (and Uldir and Uldum show how much they fail in that regard), Sargeras took it upon himself to do it.
Arthas on the other had had no good moral motive to fuse with the Lich King, all he wanted was power.
77a276 No.15648371
>>15648357
>if the retcons are true
<If we rewrite things after the fact then what was true is now false and what was false is now true!
6f62dd No.15648397
>>15648357
>Demons were pushovers
Disregard how fucking weaksauce they are in WoW and take a look at their stats in warcraft 3
3edb71 No.15648417
>>15648371
What if the retcons are done by the original creator after someone else writes it?
>All original game says is he fell to the dark side after exploring the outer regions
>Sequel says he left for outer regions again after first game
>Mentions off hand that all the planets he conquered as a Sith he strengthened (Making better infrastructure, replacing incompetent generals etc)
>Mandalore even mentions he would sacrifice planets to save more important planets
>Heavily implied that he found the true Sith Empire and attempted to prepare the Republic before Malak fucked everything up
>Carth and Bastila imply that he went there "because he felt he was needed"
>All but say he went to finish the job
<Actually he was just brainwashed
<All the rebuiding was because he was controlled by the sith emperor
e497ec No.15648420
>>15648371
Daily reminder that the WC3 manual contradicts itself about the origin of the death knights and that the game also contradicts the manual. The chapter about the orcs goes along with WC2 lore and maintains they were Gul'dan's servants. The chapter about the Scourge claims they were Ner'zul's servants of Draenor and they were corrupted by Kil'jaeden at the same time he was. Then in the game, Arthas is called the first death knight.
The writing was already a mess before WoW. Games don't just contradict other games. They contradict themselves.
2e649e No.15648460
>>15648357
>if the retcons are true
Let's not go there.
>Arthas on the other had had no good moral motive to fuse with the Lich King, all he wanted was power.
The man was driven insane by Ner'zhul's constant whispering in his head and considering he was so mentally unstable he was willing to discard Muradin even before getting Frostmourne it's hard to say that he even had a choice in the matter.
Don't forget that the entire reason he went to Northrend in TFT was because every time the Lich King's power dwindled, Arthas grew weaker and was in terrible pain.
>>15648420
I'd only count what's in-game.
As far as Death Knights not being what they should be in WC3 go, I'd say Blizz just went with the name because it sounded "cool" and borked their own lore in the process.
Or you could simply say that there are two different kinds of Death Knights.
>>15647807
Honestly, just play the 2 main games.
The man is a patron saint of all waifufags and does some crazy things, he deserves at least that much.
Protip, look for a spoiler-free guide to getting the A ending in the first one. It's nearly impossible to get it unless you know what you need to do and the B ending is such hot garbage it should not even exist.
79383d No.15648583
Man of science. Not a jew. Best corpus character.
d75f00 No.15648623
two consecutive dindus in one series
20e4c3 No.15648627
>>15648478
That's not Sargon, anon :^)
f55988 No.15648629
>another roll call thread
25ddb2 No.15648691
>>15642921
Griffith and Arthas were pretty much the same.
2bcc4c No.15648791
>>15648629
You mean this isn't Waifu Wednesday?
e497ec No.15648878
>>15648460
>I'd only count what's in-game.
That's good for you, but what's in-game isn't the only thing that counts. 90% of the story was always in the manuals and reading the stories before playing the game was required to understand what is going on plot-wise. This is true for all three of the games.
The death knights are just a case of writing something, forgetting what you wrote, then writing something different. It's a lack of diligence.
1b5f43 No.15649723
>>15642921
Literally irredeemable. Only memers defend this guy.
1b5f43 No.15649731
>>15642809
Youth is idolizing Gordon Freeman. Maturity is realizing that this guy was right all along.
26bdb6 No.15649755
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>>15642498
Why does Far Cry always do this?
cb4030 No.15649821
Except for that one thing. You know the one.
23a34f No.15649854
She wanted to root out the corrupt mages, knew that the higher ups of the Mages Circle were secretly spreading blood magic. Not only was it bad enough that they forced you to fight her at the end no matter what choices you made, but they even kept shitting on her in inquisition apparently.
Now note I'm not saying she's an amazing character, but it's really hard to do wrong with how fucked pretty much all of the mages are in this settings.
2c6c32 No.15649867
>>15649821
That exposed navel is pretty wrong, yeah.
d65a18 No.15649868
>>15647285
they were promised an extra year to work on the game but failed to get it in writing (this is what happens when you talk business at a party)
c877ad No.15649883
>>15649755
Because it's so deep don't you get it? The mass murdering psycho path who abducts people and controls their minds with drugs was the good guy all along because he can just apparently see the future or is actually Jesus or something stupid like that because obviously the first thing Jesus would do is use his mind control drug to get people to join him and then kill tons of people for seemingly no reason because why the fuck would you need to do that when you have a fucking mind control drug?
d65a18 No.15649895
Praxis doesn't have time for your fucking resistance; he has a war to fight
Kessler just wants you to be a fucking superhero, damn it. Conduits are awakening with or without him
0b8076 No.15649949
>>15649895
Honestly I really like Infamous story for it's comicbook feel. Infamous 2 even gave us an actually decent moral choice, it's sad that it still painted it in a way of "good" and "bad" when it was them going for an unsure way to save many people and kill all the conduits that might not work, and a sure way that will kill most but save all the conduits. It was almost like a trolley problem.
ecd26b No.15650630
I can only see the Killzone series as an Israel/Palestine analogy. Though wether it backfired tremendously or was very successful due to Helghans being viewed as the REAL good guys is kinda unclear
2f811e No.15650640
>nobody has posted hitler
This board is dead.
ff1a56 No.15650649
>>15650640
It was posted retard
>>15643302
4ce8a3 No.15650663
>>15648015
Again, no she didn't. At most a few dozen, and they weren't intentional.
87a510 No.15652027
>>15649854
The whole game is shit. Templars are fanatics and mages are stupid to dabble in blood magic with fanatical templars nearby. Multiple forced choices where you have to kill lots of innocents for no good reason. Dozens of bandits falling on you from the sky every 5 steps. Gay slave elf and a gay mage in party, it's hell. I feel like I'm forever sullied with the filth of this shitty game.
f9f215 No.15652316
>there will never be a blade of the immortal vidya
>I'll post it anyway
75a544 No.15652762
>>15647866
I always see this character, but dont know what game is her from. I really want to know
6a7805 No.15652795
>>15652339
I never saw him as a villain. At worst he’s a tragic hero
ee11d1 No.15652808
>>15652795
He was clearly talking about Buddy.
ad6939 No.15652885
>>15642915
she had mass teleport too, why didn't she just TP everyone out before the demon turned theM?
ad6939 No.15652903
>>15642967
wc3 alpha had undead like that, they didn't use wood or gold, just had fighters and necromancers to raise corpses. They changed them to be more normal because it was too hard to balance. The plus side is that we now have creep monsters thanks to that consideration.
>>15643065
Almost kills the lich king, somehow bad guy. I agree and never liked WoW. So stupid.
87d0e5 No.15652937
>>15642809
>>15642823
>>15649731
>surrenders to foreign invader
>condemns humanity to a lifetime of brutal slavery and a slow and agonizing extinction
>lives in a swanky pad while the rest of humanity has to shuffle through a nightmarish Orwellian dystopia
Literally Merkel-tier. Fuck you kikes.
2e8c67 No.15652975
>>15642498
The cia is the real bad guy just like real life
2e8c67 No.15652979
>>15652937
Half life 2 is a documentary lol
593541 No.15653083
>>15642872
>Child abduction
niglets aren't children
2e649e No.15653189
>>15652885
The people were already infected, they'd turn into the undead no matter what you did.
>>15652903
>Almost kills the lich king, somehow bad guy.
His plan was to completely melt the equivalent of the North Pole and he was working for the Burning Legion. Again.
ee9c21 No.15654099
>>15642973
you can. and its how you speed run the game. you just don't leave the room at the beginning and let him come back 15 min latter, he takes you to go deliver your moms ashes and everything. says lets go shoot some guns and cuts to credits.
e95818 No.15654927
>>15650649
not technically hitler to be completely fair
69c837 No.15655430
>>15647656
>Caim
He did everything wrong. If he just fucked his sister everything would have turned out fine.
60a8d2 No.15655459
>>15653189
still woulda been worth it had he succeeded, illidan did nothing wrong.
a69d81 No.15655845
He was never a villain, unlike Blizzard. WoW turned them into Villains, Steam turned Valve into Villains, GTAonline turned R*… it's the way the (((corporate world))) goes… That's why things will always be as shit as they are, unless we go back to monarchy and strict anti-kike laws.
e57667 No.15655887
>>15647223
Fuck you let me enjoy my delusion
2e649e No.15656398
>>15655459
>daemon crack addict who sells out his people to their enemies for a shot
>finds other addicts who became like that after their LSD fountain was destroyed
>uses them to do all of his dirt work
I'm not so sure.
caea80 No.15656467
>>15656398
Reign of Chaos Illidan did nothing wrong.
But pre Reign of Chaos he did pretty bad, and post Reign of Chaos was pretty hard to justify too.
4d8e11 No.15656500
>>15649883
>Because it's so deep don't you get it? The mass murdering psycho path who abducts people and controls their minds with drugs was the good guy all along
This is not what happens at all. Rather, the mass murdering psychopath who abducts people and controls their minds abducts you, controls your mind, and you lose. He's still the villain.
7d8621 No.15656520
>>15656467
Not like he had many different choices - his own people hate him (not without good reason), Maiev is after is ass and wants to put him back into underground Alcatraz for a few thousand years, and he still has Kil'Jaeden or whatshecalled breathing down his neck.
So he, like a hunted animal, flees Outland/Draenor, hoping that no-one would find him there.
Didn't quite work out as planned, naturally.
Illidan's actions after TFT and during World of Warcraft (especially using Magtheridon's blood to produce his little Fel Orc army) are undeniably evil, however.
432528 No.15656533
ff9025 No.15656590
>>15642972
She was shit.
The entire story was shit that made no sense.
db182d No.15656623
>>15648357
>Sargeras is actually a good guy in WoW
That's not really true, it just would give him good intentions. Having good intentions doesn't make you a good guy, especially if your MO is using literal destruction in magic form to murder fucking everything.
1b5f43 No.15658028
>>15652937
The difference is that the aliens in halflife aren't comparable to the Muslims that are taking over Germany. If the guy hadn't surrendered to them, humanity would have been wiped off the map immediately. Atleat humanity got to live another day in some fashion. It's the same with the human conspiracy in X-files. Pretty much exactly the same situation. They were also right.
ad0c69 No.15665364
>>15642817
I wish he was my dad.
9515bb No.15666026
>>15652339
What game is this?
3b0978 No.15666066
>>15666026
LISA the painful. It's a great JRPG you should pirate
ddaadb No.15666069
>>15642477
>magical curse plague that turns you instantly into a zombie
>paladins cannot sense it
>wizards are too dumb to even try
>the fucking paladin order turns their back on an entire city they are sworn to protect
>the only guy who is trying to do anything is a lone paladin prince whose only solution is smashing things with a hammer
>nobody around him, even the experienced paladins, gives him a more meaningful solution
You have to hand it to blizzard. Everyone is a fucking retard in their lore.
fb2f9c No.15666082
>>15666069
Agreed. If the Silver Hand had actually, I dunno, done ANYTHING to help, I might have had more condemnation for Arthas. But they didn't. Fuck them. Arthas did nothing wrong till after he took up Frostmourne, and at that point, kinda hard to resist the fucking Lich King having a direct line to your brain.
ddaadb No.15666114
>>15666082
On the contrary. Everyone did everything wrong.
>zombie plague
>I'ma smash everyone !
>I'ma turn my back on you
>My paladin order will turn their back on this corruption and this slaughter, just let the fucking undead have the city, not like paladins care or anything
They are all braindead.
e497ec No.15667617
>>15666114
Arthas is supposedly a Stratholme native. In the game, Arthas is 23. The events of WC2 take place 20 years before the events of WC3. Stratholme was destroyed and the populace was completely wiped out by orcs in WC2.
If Arthas grew up in Straholme, like they say in the game, that means he grew up alone, surrounded by rubble in a ghost town. Don't you get it? Arthas is a delusional psychopath. He started ranting about how he needs to go into this dead ghost town and whack rocks with his hammer to save Lordaeron from the plague. Uther and Jaina just couldn't take it anymore, babysitting the deranged offspring of King Terenas as he rants about necromancers and dread lords threatening an already dead city.
d16982 No.15675180
>>15642972
I thought the same thing until you think about it a little more. What is the force anyways? Well when they say it surrounds and binds us that's not just a religious figure of speech, it's a cooler version of the higgs field. If kriea succeeded reality itself might have collapsed.
e91b1c No.15679678
>>15675180
And nothing of value was lost. Nobody would even be mad. Ever.
66be90 No.15679767
>>15642477
He didn't show Uther and Jaina that there are Necromancers and Abominations hidden in houses in Stratholme.
He didn't marry and impregnate Jaina and let her grow up to be a bitter old Witch.
62e723 No.15679793
>>15643513
No one gives a shit about your shit anime, weeb game whatever it is. Go back to plebbit.
419a6f No.15679829
>>15667617
Stratholme would've been rebuilt albeit to a much smaller size, Alliance won the war of WC2.
f5758d No.15680060
>>15656398
Don't you have prisoners to torture Maiev?
e497ec No.15680108
>>15679829
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Stratholme was destroyed 20 years ago. Arthas is 23. He was 3 when it was destroyed. Anyone living in rebuilt Stratholme would have migrated in because the original population was killed off completely and utterly with no survivors. I know this because I was there. It was I who ordered the slaughter (pic related). Arthas was already dead when the game starts. He was ghost the whole time.
28ad58 No.15680217
>>15648583
I had thoughts about a redemeption arc and helping him surpess the infestestation, but I forgot to wright it down.
How do you feel about about Daddy Long Arm?
cb7153 No.15680248
>>15667617
Arthas was only bad when his lust for revenge against the dreadlord lead him to sacrifice the dwarf for the cursed sword.
Before he got the malice sword, he wasn't in the wrong in purging Stratholme, especially considering that you can choose to kill the villagers after they've already become zombies.
56a5f4 No.15680250
>>15656623
Yeah but he has to murder everything because literally everything is susceptible to void corruption c'thulu bullshit.
8c3c5e No.15680261
>>15680248
He was an obvious glory hound before the Legion really pushed him over the edge.
1d27bf No.15680309
>Absolutely no way to side with him and live in ancap heaven
421782 No.15680340
>>15658028
Yet one guy is capable of throwing a crowbar into their plans.
Also, he had no plans of sabotage, but instead tries to prevent sabotage.
e497ec No.15680419
>>15680248
But in the Blizzard universe, nobody is bad, they just get corrupted.
a09e9a No.15681003
>>15643809
>mgs2
>play as an NPC
>blindly follow authority
>believe everything youre told
>hate who youre told to hate
>stop a man trying to liberate country from puppeteers that controlled the world.
OOPS
>realise youre wrong
>stop him anyway because solidus man bad
>maintain that youre not an NPC, just like an NPC would.
Wew, such a great game.
f4663e No.15681021
Prove me wrong
Protip: you can't
a09e9a No.15681040
>>15681021
Whos that? Gundam-tron from your saturday morning cartoons?
f4663e No.15681055
>>15681040
>Newfag doesn't know Hustler One
a09e9a No.15681075
>>15681055
Hustler? Isnt that a jewish publication about furry/vore/3dpd?
Get better taste
b488d2 No.15681111
>>15647272
>Fallout 4 Helmet
>>15642972
>Its simple, we kill the force!
>>15649854
Writers pussied out and turned her into a windlowlicker to fufill their narrative.
d16982 No.15682087
>>15679678
you are entirely correct, probably more than you realize. that concept is one of those things that can make me feel physically ill if i let my mind linger on it for too long.
22f6f7 No.15691115
>>15679793
It's a book series, dumbass, and it's western.
e6fd46 No.15691142
>>15643334
All he had to do was allow freedom of travel and everything could have been avoided.
724af9 No.15692632
>>15643157
That's the premise of the Warhammer Fantasy vampires, a lot of the peasantry prefer their rule to the Empire because they aren't taxed in anything but their miscreants who get sentenced to feeding
36685f No.15692714
>>15675180
Yes, it's a possibility that the reality would collapse. But think on that possibility: we live in a reality when Kreia have succeeded.
dc3578 No.15692736
I know I shouldn't expect story choices in an RTS but considering it's the last mission anyways I was disappointed I couldn't opt to agree with Fletcher and destroy the Aeon forces on Earth along with the Seraphim Arch.
a95223 No.15692746
>>15652316
I don't know man, if Dororo could get a game after like 35 years of fuck all happening with the franchise, I'd say there's a chance if someone out there's actually interested in making it.
30ded5 No.15697707
Is sylvanas considered a villain? Because I think shes on the road of being a character blizzard could do so much with, but just do a Garrosh 2.0 with.
Also Ebola just wanted to kill all of africa, and evolve the superior races. But the media is run by jews and demonized her righteous fury.
>>15642921
I scrolled down and expected it, surprised it didnt come sooner to be honest. People only post it as a joke at this point.
>>15680419
Isnt that most of anything though? No one is ever bad in there own eyes, its just a different view point thats negative to the other. Rarely is someone comic book evil.
e497ec No.15698868
>>15697707
>Isnt that most of anything though? No one is ever bad in there own eyes, its just a different view point thats negative to the other. Rarely is someone comic book evil.
There is a difference between having personal justifications for your actions ad being a puppet to some demonic entity and corruption is the latter. Whenever they retcon a villain to be "good" in Blizzard games, it's always, "I dindu nuffin, the demons did it all."
In the first two Warcrafts, Medivh went crazy because his mortal human brain couldn't handle the magic of the twisting nether. The twisting nether basically fried his mind. But, after Warcraft 3, he was temporarily possessed by Sargeras, which is retarded because Medivh's mother had already killed Sargeras before Medivh was even born.
3c69bd No.15699336
>>15642921
That narcisist son of a bitch
68f39d No.15699682
>>15647584
>SMT
>good writing
Ah
6e03d2 No.15699744
>>15647962
Using the Witcher is cheating, moral grayness is a central tenet of that world. And Geralt usually fucks it up with his hardline I'm-neutral-except-actually good bullshit. Like when Ciri's dad, the Emperor of Nilfgaard was trying to knock her up. Pretty fucked up, but he was literally doing it to fulfill the prophecy and save the world from whatever that ice age shit was called. But Geralt fucked it up and doomed the world cuz muh feelings.
23a34f No.15700877
You know it to be true
>Offers all races they defeat a choice of surrender to a slave shield where they will never leave their planet and never be bothered again or freedom to act as their battle thralls
>Offers races that surrender and choose slavery a viable home world if they don't have one and have saved many species from from disease and disaster
>Genuinely look to protect all those that bend the knee against threats they cannot comprehend
>Willing to overlook player characters transgressions and promise Humanity will not suffer for their actions
>Regularly fight their fellow Ur Quan to protect all life in the universe
The Path of Now and Forever would have stabilized the universe like the Sentient Milieu and the only reason they lose the doctrinal conflict at the end of the game is because 1\3rd of their Armada was blown the fuck up by some jumped up wallabies who nuked their own sun.
85ff89 No.15700970
Man was just being cautious and defending his store. Gave them every opportunity to turn back, too.
eeeaff No.15701035
>>15643081
So did Stalin, but you don't see me complaining.
5337ea No.15701091
>>15642482
>>15643118
I'd say Arthas' story is closer to good old King Arthur except with everything going wrong. "Whoops, sword in the stone/ice is actually evil! Should have listened to Merlin/Medivh, or your teacher/father-figure Uther."
5337ea No.15701097
>>15701091
This would make Kel'Thuzad the weirdest interpretation of the Lady of the Lake I've ever seen.
d03232 No.15701402
He did nothing wrong.
His responses to the situation he was in weren't unreasonable.
9b1e22 No.15701957
>>15654099
I'd rather have sided with him than child bride Sabal and drug lord Amita.
761a9b No.15702966
>i'm jus tryna succ my bruddha or sumn monica
fam wuz jus tryna succ his buddha or sumn monica
i dun kno wut ff9 wuz about