/v/ - Video Games

Well they stopped for VR, and even then Nintendo tried to bring it back with Labo.

Literally the Wii

>>15640700

It was a meme before the Wii as well.

>Why did they try over and over again despite constant commercial failure?

Probably because some jackass invested in the technology and dumped too much into marketing it to just accept failure and give up. But what was the man's name?

>>15640705

Yeah, but it wasn't pushed that hard back then was it? I mean, I remember the powerglove basically got it's own fucking movie, but playstation eye wasn't pushed at all, and xbox had nothing until the kinect.

>>15640700

This. The system sold like hotcackes. unfortunately, the majority of that install base war for Wii Sports

>>15640705

any motion controls before the wii were tied to the game, and were not the only (often shitty) way to play on the console. the tech finally caught up with the concept, and with good marketing, made everyone wanna try it out. It became a fad in the end, anyway.

>>15640722

360 had some camera before the kinect. Totemball used it, not sure if anything else did

>>15640752

the word "worked" used there obviously refers to financial success you dumbass, learn to read

in summary, venture capital is a cargo cult, and tech loves cargo cults

>>15640804

Pretty much. Big companies always follow the biggest trends and are never as successful as the initiator of the trend. Look at all those cinematic universes that tried to copy the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's too hard to come up with new ideas anymore. Bring back and old IP or copy a successful IP and hopefully get some profit out of it.

I enjoyed mii sports.

Because they always gotta sell you a hot new gimmick and reinvent the wheel, so that crowds and critics don't call them sterile. Forget about developing a perfect ergonomical controller with a long-lasting battery, improved gameplay, hard but fair games or better game engines, gotta sell, sell, sell, and fads sell. The gimmick is niggers and ugly cunts now .

>>15640682

So as others have mentioned, the Wii was a commercial success. What I doubt others have mentioned is why the Wii was a success, and it has nothing to do with motion controls.

They had a very good marketing campaign and a very bad shortage issue that ultimate got people bitching about how much they wanted a Wii but couldn't find one that lead to others wanting a Wii because everyone else wanted it.

Like nobody has managed to get a video game console marketing strategy going as well as Nintnedo did for the Wii.

>>15640965

>They had a very good marketing campaign and a very bad shortage issue that ultimate got people bitching about how much they wanted a Wii but couldn't find one that lead to others wanting a Wii because everyone else wanted it

This is what >>15640754 doesn't understand. The motion control gimmick was only a selling point prior to the system's launch. As soon as people got their hands on it, they started bitching about how it was finicky, lacked any sort of precision (they even had to make an add-on pack called Wii MotionPlus with extra sensors for later games), and fucked with the design of titles - watering them down and making a lot of them near unplayable.

Wagglin was a shit-show from the very beginning, but their marketing was on fucking point - and really had been ever since their "touching is good" campaign with the DS. The shortages were a bit of a happy accident, which Nintendo has replicated with the artificial scarcity of games and systems at various points to great success since then.

>>15641018

You know, I never made a connection between the touching is good campaign until now. Seems so obvious.

I also forgot to mention something important about the Wii Would like to Play ad campaign.

THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ADVERTISING THE WII AS "JAPANESE" PRODUCT

You got two Japanese business men presenting the product with this song playing in the background.

Yet with the Wii U they white washed the shit out of it and lo and behold it was no longer as interesting.

>>15641018

>The shortages were a bit of a happy accident, which Nintendo has replicated with the artificial scarcity of games and systems at various points to great success since then.

They've been using artificial scarcities since the NES.

>>15641265

>The idea behind the Kinect was solid which is why they pushed it so hard and for so long.

It says a lot about the device that it was more popular with homebrew programmers and hobbyists on the PC than it ever was as an Xbox peripheral. I doubt even the Xbox One/Kinect 2 could handle it - but an even more refined version (perhaps with satellite cameras or head-mounted cameras) could be a solid basis for motion tracking in the core of a next-gen Xbox VR/AR setup.

>>15640682

Who thought it was a good idea to make it literally look like a sex toy for women?

>>15641018

>The motion control gimmick was only a selling point prior to the system's launch. As soon as people got their hands on it, they started bitching about how it was finicky, lacked any sort of precision (they even had to make an add-on pack called Wii MotionPlus with extra sensors for later games), and fucked with the design of titles - watering them down and making a lot of them near unplayable.

This was only true in more serious gaming circles. For casuals it was always about the motion controls and the casual market is where the Wii made most of it's money. The majority of people who owned Wiis only bought it for games like Wii Sports and had no interest in video games outside of that. A ton of people bought them just for an easy exercise, like retirement homes.

<wii boxing

my fucking elbows

also, beatsaber seems fun

>>15642433

> The majority of people who owned Wiis only bought it for games like Wii Sports and had no interest in video games outside of that. A ton of people bought them just for an easy exercise, like retirement homes.

This is what really gets me in the first place. How did Nintendo not see that the WII-U was going to flop and the casual audience hardly ever sticks around to one thing? This always has happened in every generation and those trends never last for long. One year everyone was in love with Overwatch, the next they want PUBG, then its Fortnite. People's attention spans are lower than they use to be and i can think of nothing more than trying to get consistent audiences than chasing after audiences themselves.

>>15641187

That's not what "artificial scarcity" means. It's an economics term. "scarcity" describes anything that is not abundant to the point of being free. Air is non-scarce. Data is non-scarce (though access to the data may be scarce, due to physical bandwidth limits). Anything that costs money is scarce. Artificial scarcity is when you take something that is otherwise theoretically limitless and try to force it to be a scarce good. Digital information and fully-digital games are roughly this in the first place, because digital data can be infinitely copied. Copyright is used to create this situation for ideas and concepts, which also aren't scarce. Artificial scarcity isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's the entire way ownership works with ideas and information.

What you are describing isn't artificial scarcity because they are already scarce goods by the economic definition. I'd say it's an artificial shortage, or exaggerated scarcity.

>>15642508

give the man a break will you he probably slaves his life away at a soul crushing job for a japanese megacorporation, constantly resisting the urge of 過労死, and the only enjoyment in his life comes from drinking alcohol and DDR

>>15641265

> why the industry moved towards using touchscreens

Because devices are mobile and they have deficit of the space.

>devices with gigantic buttons

Most pressed buttons are keyboards used in mobile messengers. And they are super tiny and have serious learning curve. You know nothing.

>Why was the industry so convinced that motion controls were the future?

Because almost every sci-fi depiction of video games "in the future" shows them as being VR where you control things with hand movements, whether having something in the hand or not.

>>15642433

>>15642518

Over the years with the Wii, I heard many stories of the "causal owner who brought a Wii (with Wii Sports included) and no other games" and it just seemed like a retarded joke. As in no one would be that dumb, they would buy more titles (would they not wonder why it had a disc slot or the ability to connect online despite WS not using it?)

And yet it turned out those people actually did exist, living in their Wii Sports only bubble.

>How did Nintendo not see that the WII-U was going to flop and the casual audience hardly ever sticks around to one thing?

Arrogance? Listening to much to the Japanese market instead of the west? This is the company that got fucked by miscommunication with the 3DS's name at launch and then said it wouldn't happen again. Then it happened again with the Wii U's name at two E3 events.

One of the things about the western Wii audience that Nintendo didn't seem to compensate for was that a lot of young families got a Wii as their first console and then years later got a 360/PS3 and those kids moved onto hardcore multiplayer online experiences like COD and never went back to Nintendo.

>>15643929

On that topic I reminded of how many times tech media would bring up the holographic computer interface from Minority Report as the "future" of interfaces.

>>15640682

>Why was the industry so convinced that motion controls were the future?

normalfags like shitty novelty products

kikes like shekels

normalfags give kikes their shekels in exchange for shitty novelty products

kikes flood market with shit and push out all competition for maximum shekel snatching efficiency

market is now shit

Same as VR. Latest pozz to die off in a few. It's the manager-types who drive this drivel, don't pay it any mind. It will off itself like any good NPC.

>>15640682

the prevaling idea was precision and actions that couldn't be represented on a controller without a billion button combinations

the prevaling practice was substitution for button presses

>>15640949

> Then had him killed when he left and created the Wonderswan, that gave the Game Boy a hell of a spot of competition in Japan.

I see people say this all the time, but is there any actual proof that the guy who killed him was yakuza? Like, it would be really obvious to tell. I mean we know Sega had yakuza hold their own employees families hostage so they wouldn't leave the company at one point, and nobody fucking talks about that one. Not to mention it involved TWO car accidents, which is a little too odd for even the Yakuza.

>>15651796

>>15655869

Oculus/Vive VR is literally nowhere near wagglan, the motion controls are incredibly accurate, are tracked perfectly 99% of the time.

Just a casual look at how Pavlov VR works will show that it isn't wagglan in the slightest, but desktopfags don't know shit about VR

>15 years

It definitely wasn't 15 fucking years. There were a few experiments prior to 2006, sure, but the Wii is what took it to the mainstream. Then it sort of went away on its own in 2012 or so when it became clear the U was a flop. So that's what, 6 years? Not even half that timeframe. You could perhaps argue the Kinect kept it going for another year after that, but the One reveal killed any momentum the hype train may have had. By the end of 2013 motion control was history.

If I had to guess why it was touted as the panacea to a stagnating industry, I'd put forward the idea of aging X'ers with children who wanted to relive their childhood days of Afterburner and other arcade titles that involved movement to some degree.

>>15642593

He's part of the problem.

>>15640682

Motion controls were misused so badly. Its essentially just a repurposed lightgun and if your game can benefit from having lightgun aiming then it works.

>>15663811

There's a book about it, it wasn't the only time either, the guy who made the donkey kong arcade machine wanted to leave for sega iirc and take the game with him, soytendo wasn't having any of that shit so they told their yakuza to go kidnap his sister, they did but the next morning this lad broke one of his machines and put its remains in front of their offices with a note saying "you're next", soytendo released his sister that same afternoon and renegotiated his contract.