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>>15637784

Rhodorks leave.

>>15637790

Swadian kikes worship Rhodok cock

Why are the camelfucker units so strong?

>>15637825

Historically the muslims were technologically more advanced around this time period.

>>15637825

Are they? I always felt their only worthwhile unit is the Mamluke, the rest are usually very third rate.

Any new fantasy mods? Ive been playing the might and magic one and its been pretty fun, but ive been getting bored and want to try a new one.

>>15638338

>you're still better off using heavy infantry

wat

Swadian Knights are without a doubt the single best unit in the game. If they are dismounted, they are still very versatile infantry units.

Nord Huscarls from my experience have just been raped by horse archers.

>>15638347

Mamlukes are better because they can get you prisioners with their maces.

>>15638353

That implies that you even have enough points in prisoner management to make it worthwhile. I never found prisoner management too useful past level 2-3 and at those levels I'll only get like 1,5k, if I have all ~120 denar units. You can raid 2 villages of your least favorite faction and you'll make 4k easily. I always raid Sarranids because their lords are all shit with trash units so they pose no threat with a mix of Swadians, Mercenaries and Rhodoks and I lose out on nothing because Sarranid units are shit and I never put them in my armies

>>15638375

>unit costs

Who gives a shit? Just start a few enterprises in some cities and your wages per week are so minimal. I never found wages an issue in this game.

You couple Swadian Knights with some Rhodok crossbowmen for backup. On that note, crossbowmen > archers. Archers are trash compared to crossbowmen and I never found any use for them.

>huscarls

None of the stats matter when cavalry rapes infantry so hard, I find it very difficult to lose to Nords because their units are so bad.

Why are we even having this argument anyway? Everyone knows that mixed armies are the best anyway.

>>15638402

People that don't cheat or play on easy? The only way you can keep enterprise income is if you conquer like three cities as your personal holdings in one area, and under one liege (good luck) and or have a bunch of lords in nearby cities with grinded relation of 100+ so they'll flip as soon as you talk to them. Running independent or pretender means even neutral factions cut you off unless allied or suzerain.

>Archers are trash

No, you're trash. Better rate of fire and better damage vs may occasionally pierce shit tier shields. Whoop.

>>15638452

I've had a oil press in Shariz, ale factory in Praven, wine press in Veluca and some other shit that don't spring to mind for 150 days and they have never went red and always turned out 100-500 denars of profit.

Only slightly miffed that I lose out on the money if the Rhodoks go to war with any of the factions that the cities reside in but it's still worth it even if only for the time when we aren't at war. Not to mention that the Swadians are totally done and lost a ton of land and the Sarranids are losing hard

>Better rate of fire and better damage

>better damage

What? Bow damage is trash, crossbows deal so much more damage per shot and they take very little points in the skill to use. They are also obviously the best choice for defending fortresses. For large battles, if you keep the archers behind in a firing line while the cavalry and infantry go in to fight them head on they just fuck shit up.

>>15638471

Oil, ale and wine 500 profit? You what? Is this vanilla warband or mods because those numbers are bullshit unless you're personally delivering resources to feed them. Sounds too much even then to be honest. Dyeworks, 500ish on average, sure. Ale? Give me a break.

Again, you're trash and the sad part is that you don't even realize why. X-bows don't scale with shit. Their weapon skill only increases their reload which is nice, sure. But the same goes for bows. Power draw is % damage boost, bow weapon skill is % damage boost. (Over)Simple math x-bow 55-58 (p) vs 23-28 (p) bow. Seems almost the double and it is except the archer will fire at least two and probably up to five arrows for one bolt. Khergits notably. Also, that 23-28 is multiplied by power draw ranks up to 84% and further by proficiency up to 140% more damage.

>They are also obviously the best choice for defending fortresses

Only if you consider them ducking and coincidentally avoiding some fire the best choice. They're nasty enough but dismounted veteran Khergit or fucking Vaegirs are a league above.

>>15637875

just like real life…

they ran slave armies the "Mamluks" sometimes for elite troops they would have white slave bois be raised to be soldiers from the age of 7 (when they would be circumcised) and trained by other slaves on how to be the best slave soldier, but surprise surprise turns out that free men take more initiative than slaves so in the long run even being able to round up a bigger army they where always somewhat ineffectual. and despite holding the center of the board for fucking centuries they fell off hard after their slave armies couldn't conquer more land to collect more slaves. to run their slave economy, to pay for their slave education system (literally run by greeks that had their balls cut off)

Is the intended way to play with:

>1/4 damage to player

>1/2 damage to player's army

???

I've been trying out the different damage multipliers to see how they change the game, but so far all they seem to do is increase the amount of "down time" between fights and what kind of fight you can safely get into.

If you lower them to the minimum, you can fight groups 3-4 times your size and still win with some heavy losses. If you tackle groups your size, your losses are so minimal you're pratically ready for another one right after.

If you increase them, you spend 80% of the time recruiting and training while doing quests while running away from any group that's about the same size as you (since most of your guys will be recruits in need of training, not veterans).

I'm torn between playing a semi-realistic campaign with full damage and lots of adventuring, quests and political fuckery or just cranking damage all the way down and for once actually finish unifying the land in a couple days.

Then again, I think if I take the first route, after recruiting 8 heroes and grinding them up to lvl 20, I'm gonna have a sizeable advantage over everyone and end up steamrolling anyway, it will only take longer to get there.

>>15637875

I heard their archers are top-tier as well.

>>15638543

Play with what feels fun and fair. Only go full damage if you autism compels you to turn MB into a realistic medieval military management sim

>>15638543

>Are you intended to play on easy mode???

No. Taking 1/4 damage you will be much more obliged to charge enemy formations at will instead of actually using any skill or timing. If your troops take 1/2 damage formations become almost pointless, and you will win engagements massively slated against you and that for all intents and purposes you should loose.

>>15638554

>>15637875

i mean if you ever go up against them early game when their lords are all the same, their armies fall off hard when they lose their mamlukes. and just about all their non elite troops are garbage tier, save their horsemen but still…. the amount of bullying you can do early game after their main force is broken and all their lords are scrambling to reassemble proper troops. i usually skip the Enterprise/tournament grind and just join up as a mercenary to whoever declares war on them. and after the first army clash just raid the shit out off all those virgin high value fiefs. getting renown to fuck off of fucking up lords with triple my troops but all recruits & teir 1/2, more money than should be possible in the early game, and right to rule to boot putting you at a prime position to make the jump to lord right away, to a proper landed castle not some bitch ass village that is being raided as its given to you.

but mamlukes man, they will fug you up.

am i the only one that is bothered by how villages value start at "average" but after the first war they never make it back to "average" once they have been raided once. i mean it takes like a year in game to get the prosperity back up a few levels and then they just get raided again… haven't at the start of the game they all been at war already b4 you show up? its allmost like they wanted to make the over world a turn based thing rather than some sudo realtime sim where you march your amies 24/7 never resting only marching where you never have enough down time between wars to train units or organize any economy, have you ever even finished a fief improvement for a village?

>>15638630

> i usually skip the Enterprise/tournament grind and just join up as a mercenary to whoever declares war on them.

Same, I do a couple of tournaments to get to 10k denars but then I become a mercenary and just go fuck up every lord with my mixed armies and make mad dosh by just raping and pillaging every village of a faction I don't like/intend to use troops of.

>>15638517

Those were janissairs, dont mix up time periods.

I feel like every mod has something that makes it shit. Any mods that are perfect or close to it?

>>15638882

b-but, my honor!!

>>15638833

Diplomacy is as basic it can get without fucking anything up. It just reworks the worst part about the game, diplomacy. That wasn't obvioust at all.

>>15637827

No, they weren't, they just happened to have the fortune of being able to invade both Byzantine and Persian empires after they had been weakened by decades of war and plague, the sandniggers were never more technologically advanced than western Europe.

>>15638963

They were though, they were almost as the same level as the byzantines before they declined.

Western europe was pretty backwater for a long time, then the mongols raped everyone into goatfuckers.

>>15639012

What?

That muslims got raped super hard by the mongols or that they werent backwards?

Both of them are fact, if you would rather believe chritianity got constantly beaten in most fronts save for iberia for hundreds of years by people in rags shooting arrows then you do you.

>>15639080

Jackass, don't play the innocent and don't try the armchair historian shtick when you're too shit for brains to realize A: what the anon in >>15638517 was referring to and B: Ottoman Janissaries and the Mameluke state were for all intents and purposes contemporaries ie the same period.

I could go into specifics but you just shifted the scope to cover up your bullshit so wide that it could cover everything from Constantine to Lawrence of Arabia.

>>15639124

Innocent in what you fucking sperg?

Neither the ottomans nor the mamlukes of egypt are contemporary with vanilla warband, the arabs during the 11th to 12th venturies were more technologically advanced, that is a fact, again, if you would rather jerk off to an historical fanfic where christianity got overrun by a bunch of idiots with no equipment or tactics then you do you, but dont expect other people to play along.

>>15639142

Big words from a sad sack of shit presenting vague claims as muh facts on a mongolian basketweaving forum's template thread. Name one fact, actual fact, that's either relevant to M&B or that excuses >>15638785 or I wash my hands of your faggotry.

post the music you play when besieging shit

>>15639301

This is my siege song for all games.

Nords forever die filthy swadians.

>>15639738

Bardiche. I knew this from Diablo 2, not your filename

>>15639738

The sarranid slayer.

>>15639738

Buttershaver

>>15639738

faggy mcstabby

Sarranids would probably wreck face if they had the sheer numbers advantage real life Muslims had. Imagine sarranids has an entire land mass south of rhodok to use to raid rhodok

>>15640423

That's a nice drink you've got on your shoulders.

>>15640452

wait nevermind >>15639012 is technically an unspoilered lewd :^)

>>15640490

thanks doc

>>15641917

>he doesnt know we have IDs here

Whqt a massive autist you are.

Bannerlord News: Combat AI

Link:https://steamcommunity.com/games/261550/announcements/detail/1688180897610502889

TL:DR

>AI is seperated into 3 parts Individual, Formation and Tactical

<Individual

>How each Inidividual Move, Attack and so on

<Formation

>How they fight together as one coherent Unit

<Tactical AI

>How they calculate the terrain, Number of Units and so on. This helps in Deciding when to Charge, Retreat, go on the Attack or Go Defensive

>>15646849

Hopefully they make sieges not shit, and don't design shitty castles like Grunwalder which is impossible to attack without 3x the numbers.

>>15646849

>Bannerlord News

>more fancy words-up to raise hype

They're digging a bigger hole when the game releases next decade and it's just ok.

>>15638666

Emir Innit of the Kingdom of Swadia has defected to the Sarranid Sultanate!

>>15638312

It's kind of cheating, but move the battle to the end of the map and the Calvary AI will just stand still and fight

>>15639301

>tfw you stand at the top of the ladder and keep downwards-swinging with a two handed axe directly on the heads of an endless wave of Swadian peasants for so long that your character turns red with blood and your crossbowmen run out of bolts

It's fun.

>>15640443

>mods protect me

Die in a fire faggot.

HOLY SHIT BONNERLORD IS OUT

>>15647196

this kills the thread

>>15647196

Sweet, just in time for the April-fools thread.

>>15639738

>What's this called again, /v/?

A haliburton.

>>15640378

Sarranids already have best strategic position in teh game. Only thing that holds them back is their indigenous mounted bandits who outrun lords and ruin land.

>>15638338

>anglos trying to brag about a war they lost

The defeat guaranteed England would forever be banished from mainland Europe

>>15638666

Not yet but probably soon Vladimir is a cuck

Long march for the Vaegir for some shitty towns in some shitty mountains

get fucked rhocuks

>>15639738

bardichefu

>>15638375

>sweet, sweet (b) damage

imagine being this much of a fag and not preferring to kill your enemies

>muh slaver money

lame!

>>15638375

Meddling with infantry takes to much hustle, takes over 9000 time and they still die vs horses.

With cavalry you just command "charge" and they trample everything on flat ground in seconds.

For siege huscalrs are best indeed.

>and can outrun cavalry on certain terrain with their athletic score

Top infantry units are flagged are "mounted" this is why they are fast on map(dragoons? whatever)

>The Kingdom of Rhodoks has declared war on the Sarranid Sultanate!

>King Graveth has announced a feast at his great hall in Jelkala, and has invited you to be apart of this exalted assembly.

What the fuck?

>>15647719

>>15647705

>feasting when you could be blitz-raiding your enemie's fiefs to ruin their economy

>feasting when your enemy is probably blitz-raiding your fiefs to ruin your economy

Fucking AI.

>>15647780

War is about killing enemy deathstar unit not robing peasants.

>>15647780

My favorite thing about the AI is when they decide to trek to the other side of the map just to raid your village and your village only, ignoring 5+ villages just for that.

>>15647780

I can't play for the AI kingdoms specifically because of this shit. They declare war, and then refuse to do anything that would actually do anything.

>>15647815

Lords hold grudges if you raid their fiefs they prioritize your fiefs.

But only the players.

>>15647943

>Calradia will belong to the Vaegirs.

This has been in my head for a while: Without any player involvement, who would "win" the game and capture everything in due time?

>>15648280

I know that, but do NPC lords not hold grudges against other lords?

>>15648323

>I know that, but do NPC lords not hold grudges against other lords?

I don't believe so, but they might just for lesser values.

But it could also be the player raids so many fiefs it outweighs the NPC lords.

>>15648323

>who would win the game and capture everything

Not sure, I may test that out later. But I'm betting Swadians die first, purely for geographic reasons since they are in the middle of everything and are likely to be targeted for expansion.

>>15648448

I can guarantee Swadia dies first, I've probably played 4000+ hours of MnB, I often leave Swadia because I'm tired of babysitting them to keep fiefs and castles, because Harlaus couldn't get off his ass and take a break from feasting.

>>15647658

Slaver build is completely viable in-game. It is scummy and low life, but then again so is raiding and banditry. I don't think you can even beat the game playing it morally (if you're on 140% difficulty of course).

>>15647658

You can make good fuckin money as a slaver, especially early game. Just roll around and crush bandits, especially sea raiders and sell em. Or be a mercenary, have your troop costs paid and sell high level enemy troops into slavery. Swadian Knights are good money.

>>15648448

Swadia dies first because they declare war too fast. In my current 400day game Swadia has only 2 cities left.

>>15648323

>Without any player involvement, who would "win" the game and capture everything in due time?

I played independent for a very long time in one game, and every time one of the kingdoms went down the shitter, even going as low as one castle, they managed to rebound eventually. Hell, Swadia was literally left with that one castle while Nords controlled basically all of their former holdings, then nothing happened for half a year, and then Swadia suddenly started cracking Nord skulls and became the biggest faction out there (only to collapse again later as Rhodoks gained dominance, and so on). I don't think you'll get a consisted result like that - a country would only get eliminated by chance, and the end victor would be different each time.

>>15648593

>I don't think you can even beat the game playing it morally

Depends if you consider (((merchantry))) moral.

Any new mods worth playing for Warband, or is that well run just about dry by now and everyone's waiting for Bonerlord?

>>15648861

There's a new version of Full Invasion that's pretty fun, but yeah- the well seems to be drying up.

>>15648448

>>15648474

Its set up to be a stalemate.

The AI has a hard time keepping territory that wasnt his to begin with. And the fewer towns and castles the AI has the easier it can defend them and capture others.

But swadia would always struggle most due to being in the middle of everyone.

>>15638554

the archers are good, unless they come across a slav marxman or a rhodok sharpshooter.

tbh rhodok sharpshooters are one of the most underatted units in the game. not only do they train extremely quickly, but a row of 50+ sharpshooters can go toe-to-toe with heavy swadian, manhunter, or arab cavalry. 5-6 bolts from their crossbows will kill a heavy armored horse; but they often hit the driver, killing them in 1-2 shots.

place them at the top of a hill, and you'll cut through any force like swadian cavalry cutting through nords.

>>15638583

i dont get the butterlord meme. butter is pretty rare and i usually dont keep it in my inventory because i usually dont see it in towns.

>>15648717

for me, nords are the first to be reduced to 1-2 properties… they will cling to those properties for a long time, long enough for swadians to be chipped away at. they usually die at around the same time for me.

>>15648707

>slavery

>50g per person nomatter the person

>ransom broker

>most units sell between 50-250g

the only units worth selling into slavery are 1st tier units. i honestly dont even understand why the slave trader exists.

>>15648987

Yeah, I meant the ransom broker. Pretty good money early game, easy to get enough cash to build a couple industries for that steady income. Anyway I think the salve trader only exists as a reliable prisoner purchaser, even though his prices are shit, at least you don't have to to hunt him down like a ransom broker.

>>15648963

The butter meme comes from an old version of warband (or diplomacy. don't remember) where when pillaged swadian villages all you would find is butter. Endless stacks of butter.

>>15648987

Don't waste your time with him. He's there so a player in the early game can get more gold selling looters, which cost nothing. This is pointless since you'll quickly start hunting better bandit parties which sell for more.

>>15648593

>rhodok sharpshooters are one of the most underatted units in the game.

huh, they're underrated now? i was under the impression everyone knew the power of the rhodok sharpshooter. they're also underrated as melee units which lets you mix up your tactics. they have the pavise shield which is top tier, but also very good armor for missile units while actually having good melee stats

>>15649099

How does anyone shit on Rhodoks, every game I play they always retain their territory, they are monsters to siege due to the high armor and crossbows, and they do the best against cav charges due to having endless fucking bardiches.

>>15649110

it's kind of hard to play them in offensive campaigns and in open areas they tend to get slaughtered by cavalry if you're playing faction purist. utilizing them properly really requires knowledge of the game map so you can pick fights in hilly or mountainous areas where they can't be beat. they ai also plays them like shit

>>15649060

>endless stacks of butter

definitely not warband, i almost exclusively play warband vanilla and would have been hyped to get tons of butter. shits expensive.

>>15649099

the top tier rhodok spearmen are no joke either. i meant their underated as battle units. usually people go straight for the heavy cavalry as the go-to battle units.

but me and 135 rhodok sharpshooters took out king harlaus and his 500+ units, atleast 50 of which were knights.

>>15649110

besieging them is a nightmare.

>we breeched the walls!

>charge their spawnpoint!

>new enemies have appeared

>instantly get his with 15 crossbow bolts

>only 2 were needed to kill you

>>15649110

They're probably the most difficult faction to play.

<Swadians

>lol form wedge and charge

<Nords

>lol form shield square and advance

<Vaegirs

>lol hold position and skirmish

< Mongols

>lol charge and skirmish

<Sandniggers

<lol die

>Rhodoks

>form polearm formation in front of crossbow formation on the high ground, hold position, have infantry charge if the crossbows don't slaughter the enemy before it reaches them

>>15649110

In my game, Rhodoks are the largest of the 3 remaining enemy factions, purely because of their geography and fetish for sharpshooters. Been making some progress towards their defeat, but they've been putting up a good fight. Again this is only in sieges, mind you. I have enough marksmen to out-position them in field battles.

>>15649135

>the top tier rhodok spearmen are no joke either.

yeah, unfortunately rhodok sergeants are trash, but are still useful as shield walls to sit in front of your veteran spearmen. my strategy was to put two rows of sergeants just block holding then pile veteran spearmen behind them

>>15649148

I think the sharpshooters have 1 less stage to be trained which makes them prevalent.

>>15649146

<Sandniggers

<Lol die

Sandniggers are underrated, they are shit in the AI, but their troops are excellent.

The bowmen have some ridiculous rate of fire, and even their weak troops have nice large shields.

>>15649146

Alternatively for Rhodoks, if the terrain allows, have your crossbowmen set up and then spread out, then post the infantry behind them. Then have the infantry charge (since the crossbowmen are spread out they will go straight through) if the enemy gets too close. This will allow the crossbowmen to shoot for a good bit longer than if the infantry are in front of them, even if they're downhill. Also, while Rhodoks are generally weak to cavalry (if they don't shoot the riders off before they reach them, have them form a square and generally the horses will get bogged down and beat down. Works even better for the Nords to break cavalry charges.

>>15649187

>rhodok sergeants are trash

thats who i was talking about. theyre more powerful than many other melee units like huscarls and swadian guards when faced off against eachother.

are veteran spearmen really better than sergeants? i've never tested this.

>>15649148

my problem with seiging rhodoks is the sharpshooters. not because of them devestating my units, but they usually end up killing me since 1 shot sometimes does like 40+ damage.

and im wearing all lordly plated armor.

>>15649201

Makes sense. I've sort of noticed that the Kings while having huge armies tend not to have very many well trained troops.

Do they not have enough money to train all of them, or are their training capabilities just not very good? Does difficulty affect this?

>>15649228

>they usually end up killing me

Yeah, I should have specified that's usually the reason I have issues in sieges. Sometimes there are heavy losses, but most of all the common thing is I lead from the front and tend to become an arrow sponge in the process. If I didn't crowd surf on my troops and vertical swing my way to victory the vaegirs would have been wiped from the history books long ago.

>>15649227

my strategy when im up against a much larger force is

>infantry advance 10 paces

>cavalry advance 10 paces

>cavalry advance 10 paces

>archers stand closer

>infantry spread out

>everyone advance 10 paces

then stand your ground until you start seeing multiple deaths from archers (this means the enemy is close enough that archers can reliably get kills). then tell the cavalry to charge.

the infantry function as protection for archers.

>>15649228

they're not better, they just have different roles. veteran spearmen have no shields so are vulnerable to missiles and get beat in melee. this is why we put them behind rhodok sergeant shields since they can attack through the ranks. it's free attacks from your veterans while the enemy is occupied trying to attack your sergeant's shields.

the sergeant isn't really that bad and is actually strong, but they are very slow and hard to maneuver and for this reason i consider them to be trash. they are great defensively, just one dimensional and only good for their shields and defensive stats in my opinion

>>15649110

>no cavalry

and in vanilla at least, non top tier infantry can stop a charge should it not get fucked up via terrain. if you chose to go with rook troops early game b4 you get your path finding up (or find a bitch to do that for you) you don't get to chose which fights you take, smaller parties out run you and bigger parties can run you down. they of course exell at siege warfare but…. that just kind of makes them a bitch to route out of their castles/towns, and huscralls are better at breaking threw sieges. while sharpshooters will always have their role in whittling down your opponents its not nearly as satisfying as a cavalry charge. they are fun to side with thew because you can counter that as a lord/merc that has 50 heavy cavalry units to ram into the opponents to make them charge or chase down gropes that other lords cant catch. but sticking to >no cavalry is just a shit way to play and mercs are expensive and hard to replace unless you get creative with your (((recruitment))) methods.

on top of all of this their melee troop tree is schizophrenic as fuck. bouncing between hard pure spear men or generic sword and board units for teir 4-5 i mean just why… mods try to tackle this but most of the time they just drag the troop trees out way to far but having actual Designated spear men makes the difference on being able to counter cavalry effectively something that the sargents cant do. making them a bit of a downgrade.

<tldr they just kind of slow down the whole game while not really being strong enough to expand. and only tend to slowly and surely.

>>15648987

> i honestly don't even understand why the slave trader exists.

<fucking with farmers

see those fucks running around in groups of 8-12 you can sell them into slavery 50 gp or ransom them for 20 gp dickplomacy /diplomacy (i think) even has refugee parties get spawned when you raid a settlement 50-40 refugees and lets you grab people as a hostile action, an underdeveloped early game to say the least. but again shanghaiing is the best way to acquire large amounts of fa-First tier merc units.

>>15649201

>Sandniggers are underrated, they are shit in the AI, but their troops are excellent.

mud sympathizer detected… but in all seriousness yea they can get a lucking jarid shot off on you but…. that doesn't really work against non-player combatants nearly as well as it should and they don't have the armor or the power strike to back up their javelins like nord units do. saying the ai plays them like shit just goes back to the missed opportunity of letting players play it as a rts in multiplayer. we will never really know the best strategy because the ai is always going to be retarded. so counter play is always going to be the same shit may as well just use top teir cav and hit them at the right time/angle and bring archers to sieges to whittle them down.

>>15649257

Lords usually have a ton of training, it is probably based on their money.

Kings however are usually fighting when their not feasting, their large armies make the AI willing to take on multiple lords, on top of that they have reduced chance of being captured so they end up returning to the cap with their army gone then go and recruit.

The more your army grows as well the more the game scales with it, so when you can have 200 troops the Kings can have 600 which again leads them to going deep into enemy lines and getting fuckled.

Marshal's I find are the ones that have large armies and well trained troops.

The AI gains the same amount of fame bonus and stat bonuses as you and you get around 25 fame when you get made marshal.

So lords that get made marshal repeatedly get larger and larger armies, and their fame makes it so they get a good chance to get income and upgrade troops.

>>15649271

My point was never they were good on the map, but held their lands and were a fucking nightmare to siege.

Which leads to my other point, sarranid archers aren't the most accurate or penetrating like crossbows, but they shit out arrows quick and have large ammo pools

They are my go too when sieging with a mix of crossbows to break shields.

Also against the AI they're very useful as they reap the low armored or low rank troops, I hate seeing Rhodok sharpshooters or Veagir archers wasting their valuable ammunition on chaf units.

>>15649298

yea their ELITE archers are great

along with their elite guards

and their elite cavalry

and their biggest problem is that the factions (that are set to declare war based on disliked factions, if one faction is to stronk or if a faction has some of their "native clay") don't properly harass them until late game as in default only the rooks and Kigerets will delcare war on them until they have their rape train set up. and those 2 factions have enough shit to deal with b4 the DLC faction was added making them more likely to sue for peace. (giving them more time to snowball) But again i will say this you can cut them off right the fuck away by raiding the shit out of them and making them weak to foreign invasion and nipping them off at the bud leaving even the lords to be poor as fug and to fall off….

>>15650159

Which version?

>>15651970

Swadians are the biggest kikes out of every faction, even the sandniggers.

>>15651976

post your nose with time stamp rh*dok

>>15651984

I'm not usually one for 3dpd, but she's kinda cute.

Sauce on her?

>>15651998

That video is cursed anon, there's no escape. She went by Nyannyancosplay, but since releasing that video a couple weeks ago she has shut down her accounts. Dunno where to find her now. And I don't really want to know, vile siren that she is.

>>15651998

>>>>>>>>>>she

>>15652012

HAS

>>15652012

Confirmed a she, you wannabe trap faggot.

A sad state of affairs today where any girl acting feminine is assumed to be a trap.

>>15652014

>>>>>>>>she

>>15652014

It's more like, when an androgynous it with no tits puts on a wig, dresses up in excessively girly cloths and does cringy "feminine" things in said pink frilly cloths i.e twirling to nigger rap, it sets off alarm bells

>>15652010

>she has shut down her accounts

that was bonbi, and that was because sosachers were stalking her and posting her info. nyannyancosplay still has accounts up

>>15652025

Maybe you're right. I only looked into it briefly after seeing the video. Looked up the lyrics, found the original song (from some arab bitch called TikTok) and saw that video that said it was from Nyannyancosplay.

>>15652025

also, what is a sosacher?

>>15652028

tiktok is a mobile app where people lip sync to songs, usually dancing and cosplay involved

>>15652033

Thanks. I've been learning Russian for a little while and practicing reading >>>/cafechan/, but I never ventured into 2ch.hk much.

>webm

So are Ruskis tricking each other into being fags?

>>15652036

Here's the vid I found. A few results down is that vid saying it's from Nyannyancosplay. On second look, I guess the song is by ilovefriday, not tiktok.

sage for offtopic

>>15652058

Oh, right on. That's pretty cool. And yeah I can read and pronounce shit written in Cyrillic now (probably with a terrible accent) but I don't know what most of it means. Getting there, though.

>>15638677

>by just raping and pillaging every village

but muh honor!

>>15652063

Good luck man. If you want a taste of what the sosach waifufags who worship 15 year old girls like Bonbi are like go look on the KC /int/ threads. https://kohlchan.net/int/res/1096860.html

>>15652049

If you want to go to 2ch.hk that much, you should only do so for educational purposes, the place is an even more retarded version of cuckchan.

>>15652082

this, it's basically the most normalfag of every single runet imageboard, albeit the most popular.

>>15652091

Russian 4chan, then.

>>15652082

>>15652091

hes not going to know that if he doesn't know russian well, or understand the history of the site either

>>15647812

Why would you robe a peasant anyways?

>>15651363

1.174; switched to windowed mode and I haven't seen glitches again so that is good. Nords been murdering vaegir snowfags and I became a vassal so I own a mostly burnt Irismirla now.

>>15651970

See >>15639545

How do you guys configure difficulty? do you always keep autosave on?

So how much throwing do I need to have it be good? I have 212 throwing at the moment, and it still doesn't feel as strong as it should. I use Balanced Heavy Throwing Axes and while the damage is good, the accuracy is just so fucking awful. At least it is a competent one handed weapon, with 35 swing damage although its range is still really low.

>>15652475

i never got the whole throwing weapons meme. they've never been worth it for me. id rather develop crossbows or bows. also, the ammo count is way too low.

>>15652489

I think they are basically just ranged weapons for people who don't like ranged weapons. They only require one slot, they have massive damage per hit and they can also be used as melee weapons if needed.

>>15652603

what good is it "only" using 1 slot when you only get 4-5 projectiles per slot vs 16 arrows/bolts per slot?

for me the damage is comparable to arrows ~40 per arrow depending on armor vs maybe 50 as a throwing weapon with less then half the capacity.

using it as a melee weapon is ok, but super low damage compared to just carrying a good weapon or shield..

do people equip 3x of a throwing weapon and a shield?

>>15652642

>what good is it "only" using 1 slot when you only get 4-5 projectiles per slot vs 16 arrows/bolts per slot?

Because a crossbow or bow takes two. I carry a shield, a one handed weapon (which at the moment just happens to be a throwing weapon), a shield and a two handed weapon. If I was carrying a bow, I would have to drop either my shield, my one hander or my two hander.

>>15652687

>shield twice

Dammit. You get my point though, something's gotta give if I was carrying a bow instead, I like my twohander too much to give up on that, as it is too useful for killing infantry, I like my one hander too much to give up on that, as combined with a shield it's too useful for sieges.

>>15652687

it takes 2 slots, but gives you 2x the capacity per slot.

why carry a 1 hander and a 2 hander? why not 1 or the other?

my usual loadout is a heavy greathammer, a reenforced knightly heater shield, large bag o bodkin arrows, and a war bow.

also, 1 hander throwers used as melee are significantly worse than a good 1 hander in my experience. like not even comparable.

>>15652731

I WILL DRINK FROM YOUR SKULL

I actually wanna do a Rhodok run at some point as Griffith and make the Band of the Hawk swadians never.

>>15652731

im doing the same thing in my current playthrough, i normally tried to become a king, but but this time i wanted to serve under one.

but this has been weird for me.

after gaining some land from various factions over a number of wars, i noticed a bunch of lords started to defect and cause us to lose alot of land, and me personally many fiefs

now whats weird is that king graveth finally got wise and decided to give me cities.

im now the lord of suno, praven, sargoth, and narra.

i started using persuasion to get the properties back under us during peacetime and random encounters, but this is where things got weird.

king graveth very recently started a trend of awarding himself literally every castle/city and indicting anyone who owns a castle/city. often taking the properties from people almost immediately after i convince them to join us.

it seems king graveths AI is aware of the game's bad AI and has decided he cannot trust anyone with anthing other than small villages. (and rightfully so)

is this normal?

i swear it's like king graveth is being controlled by a real person. i've never seen an AI abuse the meta of a game.

>>15652775

you fool, while you ponder this, king Graveth is preparing to indict you for treason

>>15652731

>too stupid to ride horses

>implying the master race needs horses

You’re just mad because we have the best shields

>>15652730

>it takes 2 slots, but gives you 2x the capacity per slot.

>why carry a 1 hander and a 2 hander? why not 1 or the other?

Nigger are you dumb? One handers are useful for sieges, two handers/polearms are useful for open field infantry fights and fighting cavalry. You don't use throwing weapons as your primary as you do as an archer or crossbowman.

Balanced Heavy Throwing Axes have 35 swing damage. That is a pretty good result, while it's not the best it is still good and it has only 5 points less damage than the very best one handed swinging weapon in the game. The only issue is range, but I use my two hander for any serious fighting anyway. If I throw axes, I use for keeping my shield up and then slinging an axe their way when they reload. Oneshot headshot on nearly everything but top tier infantry and cav units, oneshot bodyshot on most lower level enemies.

My loadout is Balanced Heavy Throwing Axes, heater shield, heavy long axe and balanced throwing spears at the moment, I dropped throwing daggers because their damage started lacking against better armor.

>>15652817

>>one handers are useful for sieges

>not using a crush block weapon during siege to break through defenses

>not killing troublesome archers with a long range weapon

how is a 1 handed weapon useful for seiges? i feel like the only use a 1 handed weapon has is during a tournament.

>>15652704

>>15652687

I wish plate-armor was more like it were in real-life as in pretty much an arrow-deflector, or well atleast the top-tier late-medieval one was.

No matter what i dont dare to thread into battle without a shield because all it takes is a few lucky shots and you're ded.

>>15652844

You sound like someone who has never sieged against Grunwalder Castle in their life.

>>15652849

Arrow deflector, sure. Crossbow bolt deflector, definitely not. Crossbow bolts pierced through any armor, and the church even wanted to ban them because of it.

>>15652817

Can't you change equipment before fights? And for sieges I usually go one hand axe, bow, 2 quivers. Quiver-dump on the enemy then pick up a shield off the floor somewhere. Or shoot one of my guys to get one if the frontline is too dangerous

>>15652878

Crossbows are surprisingly not a big problem atleast for the PC because they're so predictable. Depends on the terrain too though but on open field xbows are just ez killz gg no re.

>>15652878

>Grunwalder Castle

its never been difficult for me, why? and how does using a 1 handed weapon help?

>>15652892

>axes

why? is that bonus that helpful? i feel like crushing through blocks is much more important and that higher ranked enemies shields take way too many hits, even with the best 2 handed axe.

>>15652892

afaik only if you go into your inventory before you meet another party, or using the chest on the battlefield, if it spawns

Serious question, does anything beat RPing as a horse fucking khergnigger endlessly fucking with the dunecoons with your squad of master horse archers and lancers?

>>15652931

I'm talking about real life though. IRL, crossbows were better than bows in nearly every way. They were essentially a great equalizer, any peasant with a crossbow could kill a lord in plate armor.

>>15648593

> I don't think you can even beat the game playing it morally

Is killing sea raiders and other bandits for loot moral? If yes, then it is easy moral final solution for the cash problem.

>>15652932

>crushing through blocks

For some reason that never works that often for me, not sure if I'm doing something wrong. And I normally break through shield with an axe after 4-5 hits and I have Power Strike 4. Opens up the enemy for your allies too when he has no shield. I get most of my kills with my bow anyway so I'm not sure what's more useful for melee.

>>15652935

>inventory

I seem to remember being able to access the inventory when on the screen to charge the enemy, surrender, etc.

>>15652963

>I'm talking about real life though. IRL, crossbows were better than bows in nearly every way.

Only thing crossbows were better is bolt mass and penetration. And this is for most heavy 1000+ lbs crossbows. Very common for middle middle ages hand armed crossbows were weaker than bows.

>any peasant with a crossbow could kill a lord in plate armor.

Plate armor penetrating 1000+lbs crossbows costed more than peasant can earn in several years. Crossbows mercenaries were professionals of war not peasants and were not cheap.

>>15653036

That is absolutely false. Even crossbows for peasantry and untrained soldiers could kill or injure soldiers in plate armor. Not to mention, crossbows were very simple to use compared to normal bows which meant you could field far, far more soldiers than you could if you used normal bows.

>>15653080

>Skallagrim

No wonder you are that retarded, posting a canadian LARPer cuck who is testing with modern steel, far stronger than steel used during the mid to late medieval era.

Why are crossbows so weak? Explain.

>>15652973

i noticed sideways strikes with the great hammer have trouble crushing through. but a top-down swing almost always kills most infantry with a single hit, even if theyre blocking. someone like a huscarl needs 2-3 strikes to die. it also often knocks people down and lets me hit them while theyre getting up. i often stand at the side of the latter and spam a vertical attack and every single hit kills someone.

i always use the heavy great hammer though. i have no idea if the other crush block weapons have a different frequency of success.

>>15653090

Look at the cucklord, panicking now that he's proven wrong.

>>15652818

Heater shields may be more durable but they suck ass for blocking arrows/bolts. For some reason the AI always shoots around them.

t. Besieged castles with both filthy swadians and nords

>>15653091

Maybe because you are posting shit by a canadian LARPer using recreation armor made out of modern steel.

>>15653094

>proven wrong

Confirmed for retard. Skallagrim is about as good of a source as Wikipedia is for the holocaust.

>>15638506

>Oil, ale and wine 500 profit? You what?

the wealth of a town impacts the profit your industries make

>>15653100

If anything isn't a good source it would be you.

You resort to crying about "mud modern steel" even when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Recreation armor is shit compared to the real thing, if anything.

>>15653097

what is your shield skill? as long as im not getting shot from the side or the back, i dont get hit.

What's a good mod to do a Caraldia campaign? I'm trying Dickplomacy Reloaded but it often crashes in the battles. Porn aside, it has a good bunch of features, like being able to enlist in a lords army, non-hideous female faces, and a lot of Floris upgrades without all the stupid fantasy shit Floris includes.

What mods do you people use? I want to conquer Caraldia again, but I don't feel like playing another vanilla game.

>>15653093

>i noticed sideways strikes with the great hammer have trouble crushing through.

Only top down strike can crush.

>i have no idea if the other crush block weapons have a different frequency of success.

Crush probability depends on the attacking and defending weapons relative masses. Exact formula: dunno.

>>15653105

>Recreation armor is shit compared to the real thing, if anything.

lmao

confirmed for double retard

>>15653100

What would be a good resource, then? Not saying you’re wrong but I’m not sure what would be a reliable source on this

>>15653119

Historical accounts, such as the pope banning the use of crossbows because muh platearmor got fucked by them.

>>15652958

>Does anything beat being a filthy chink

Yes, being a glorious Nord you slit eyed looney.

>>15653100

You didn't answer the question. F.

>>15653137

You can't measure the effectiveness of completely different weapons with an arbitrary energy measurement, that's not how this shit works holy fuck how stupid is whoever made that.

>>15653116

side strikes can never crush? i swear a few of them went through… not many.. do you know that for sure?

>>15653093

>>15653116

>Only top down strike can crush

Well shit that explains it. I normally use the side attacks.

>>15653156

> do you know that for sure?

Yes.

Holy shit niggers how the fuck do you play as Sarranids? Kebab memes aside I thought they'd play like Vaegirs but holy shit their terrain is fucking garbage when fighting both Khergits and Rhodoks. Mamluks are fucking beastly, though, I will admit to that. They pay for themselves.

>>15653611

>khergits

isn't almost every unit they have cavalry? Fighting them is a pain for that very reason. On horse? Better watch out not to get speared in the back by a steppenigger. On foot? Enjoy hit and run attacks 24/7. Most of their units are pretty shit on their own, but battling an all-cavalry stack on an open plain is pretty shit.

>>15653655

yes, especially since they just run in circles while my swadian knights just chase them around. the easiest way to destroy them is

>everyone hold this position

>archers step back

>cavalry step forward

>everyone stand closer

>everyone step forward

then just wait.

>>15653611

>>15653655

I hope the Khergit equivalent in Bannerlord isn't THAT cavalry heavy as the Khergit are.

There's way too damn much horses when fighting against them, it's simply not fun as every open field battle turns into a game of tag.

>>15653666

Still not good enough to stop a onslaught of lancers. I find the best way to counter them is leading your followers and shit tier mounted units in a charge. Then when the initial impact is made just surround them. Alternatively just camp on a hill.

>>15653693

>onslaught of lancers

the lancers get tied up attacking my row of cavalry, then the rhodok sergeants move up and keep them busy while the rhodok sharpshooters slaughter them.

i have a much harder time with the horse archers because they just run around like faggots.

also, id like to mention that the first step of my strategy is to run to the nearest hill and then hold this position.

>>15653685

>every open field battle turns into a game of tag.

>>15653726

>>every open field battle turns into a game of tag.

fuck. well, i meant to say that i agree, and that it applies especially to horse archers. they just become a distraction that spreads my units out all over the map.

>>15653726

>rhodoks

I suppose that makes khergit horse archer shittery easier to deal with with all those massive shields. Dicking Khergits with Vaegirs always leads to pretty heavy losses among the low and mid tier units.

>>15653167

heavy great hammer is great. and heavy.

crush block is king

>>15653754

i always go to rhodoks for infantry, and swadian knights or slaver chiefs for cavalry. never have any issues.

>>15653731

Atleast i managed to make the Khergits a bit more fun to both fight against and play with by simply changing their gear a little bit.

>Lancers now solely using Steppe Chargers instead of the occasional Steppe Horse in the mix

Also removed their lances and edited hafted blades a bit to make them even better, sure it's in the name of the troop but honestly even with mods the AI is not that good with lances and tend to act retarded occasionally so better ditch them.

In fact there's no troops in my game that use lances anymore apart from the occasional tournaments.

>Veteran HA's restricted to Steppe Horses

Coursers are simply too fast with poor maneuverability for the AI to use properly, also no javelins because i mean seriously what the fuck? It's a Horse ARCHER not a Horse THROWER!

And obv some other minor adjustments over the rest of the lower-troops, autism actually pays off!

>>15653760

>using filthy swadians for anything

>using rhodoks for anything but shooting

Shoulda had some Huscarls.

>>15653731

well then tell your units to hold formation then… and you know bunch them up either on the edge of the map or on terrain somewhere. manually leading your cavalry to cut them off rather than sitting in the arrow collection position because their commander was to lazy to actually lead them.

>>15653760

now use that in an open field or against non broken ai that knows how to throw shit at (you) or has 1 free archer.

now you want a real underrated weapon look no further than the iron staff. fast, hits hard, Blunt, can be used with a shield

>>15652489

its kind of a multiplayer thing… you can block and do an incredibly short readying animation and throw, and with proper power throw investment, hit like a truck, and tuck back under your shild b4 your opponent can retaliate without proper prediction. letting a good player be able to secure 4-5 kills b4 picking up dropped equipment or using their last throwing ax as you know an ax.

ya kind of have to go for it thew with a build taking up 3 slots for the 12 throwing weapons that lets you outrage pole arm users that would otherwise bully you and being able to crawl up to archers and chuck within range but b4 they draw their weapon and if you are having trouble with a skilled player that can reliably bock with their weapon just chunking you shit at them makes it unblock able without a shield and a shield can just be broken with the throwing axes in melee. THE ONLY PROBLEM is that it falls off once you run out of axes so useless in single player or longer multiplayer games.

Has anyone ever actually "beat" the game and unified Calradia under their own flag?

>>15654234

How long did that take?

>>15654293

1800 days

What mod has the smallest, most easily conquered map?

>>15654191

I got half of Japan once. Unfortunately it was the eastern half and I knew how that turns out (actually I just got bored).

>>15654412

>steam

>with vanilla warband

no wonder

>>15655475

but 53% of players installed and used a mod, and doesn't that invalidate the other achievements?

>>15653091

A medieval crossbow has just slightly more firepower than a longbow(around 10 joules more) and longbows are already unable to penetrate proper armor.

Medieval missile fire was also not based around armor penetration, but hitting the weak spots and less armored parts on the enemy.

What makes crossbows so good is their economics, you can make a functional crossbow out of materials that would be unfit to make a longbow.

Crossbows are also easier to use and require less training(they still require a lot of training) than a longbow to operate.

Being able to mass produce weapons that can be used by a wider range of people means in the end you can put more soldiers onto the battlefield, which became important when Medieval European Armies started to deploy greater numbers of Infantry.

>>15655526

No because mods still provide achievements in Warband, but it can become munted if certain features in a mod become completely abstracted and changed around, then you'll get achievements for doing completely unrelated things.

But keep in mind not even 60% of the people that bought Warband have actually captured 5 soldiers and sold them. And thats retarded when there's a potential of 4 if you're starting from vanilla start where you have to fight the looter band. If someone has the screenshot from the Rome 2 Total War global achievement stats from when the game was yet to be released, it showed the achievements the reviewers actually got during their playtime. Only 30% actually played a battle without auto resolving, and only a further 15% played for an hour.

>>15655475

I've some 300 hours and I don't have that achievement; I never bother with it and just start playing the game.

>>15653124

>anything that was written down is a truth

that's not how it work, m8y

>>15653124

>>15656230

the pope ding dong bannu crossbows because they were too deadly in general, it was a threat to the feudal order that the pope propped himself up with, because it equalized the peasant and the noble on the battlefield

>>15656262

No

>>15654191

cba with it tbh since every game there's a clear point of no return and once you reach it everything afterwards is just time wasted grinding for no real reason. Better to just start a new game.

>>15656267

I capture filthy swadian knights all the time, and then promptly sell them to Ramun as galley slaves.

>>15656262

>>15656288

I'd have to search it, but if I remember correctly, the Pope banned both crossbows and bows and missile weapons in general. Basically, he was asking for world peace and if the Christians could please stop killing each other and do something productive like removing Kebab. The reaction was the same as every other time in History when a celebrity has asked for world peace: they just continued killing each other.

>>15656850

Don't, Ransom Brokers give better prices. Way better prices. A Swadian Knight is worth more than 200 gold, maybe even 300.

>>15655475

Is the tutorial mission the one given by the "merchant of X" after you kill the initial few bandits? I myself have never done it because I never saw the point when you could just set out. I think I may have completed it once when I had cheats enabled to check out the game

>>15656892

I know. For one I don't have a castle or anything to keep them in yet, and also I hate swadians because nord memes. Once I actually have a place to put them other than my 5 capacity prisoner train then I'll do that, preferably if I own a town and can wait for the broker to come to where the prisoners are.

>>15656598

>multiplayer

piss off, wanker

Aside from Gekokujo, are there any mods that really change the mechanics and tactics? Having no shields honestly does change the way that the game is played.

What the fuck is Viking Conquest even supposed to be? It runs like shit and the design is so fucking weird.

>>15653769

>Coursers are simply too fast with poor maneuverability for the AI to use properly

I found that Sword Sisters have no problems with Coursers speed. And they are best unit to quickly eliminate Khergits bandits, as Coursers speed allows them quickly reach horse archers. Its just survivabilty and charge power of the horse matters much more for all other application.

>>15656598

Good thing Floris rebalances and makes all factions more versatile

>>15657065

Well, TaleWorlds realized that player created mods were better than their actual game, so they tried to make the Brytenwalda mod into a standalone and failed.

>>15657328

All three of those mods are boring as all hell. Pendor especially, it's just native but with fuckhuge armies of horse archers.

>>15637815

playing with 1/4 player damage doesn't count you fucking faggot. Play 1/1 and with mouse directed block or kill yourself.

>>15657355

It's just native only in entirely different settings and with more content. Vanilla is bland as hell.

>>15657367

Setting doesn't mean shit if the mod doesn't play that differently at all. Neither does content, because the vast majority of the content is just making the game longer and more tedious. They're shit. Gekokujo is probably the best mod, with Paradigm Worlds coming in at a close second and one of the Native Expansions/Improvements at a close third.

>>15657380

>Gekokujo is probably the best mod

Fucking weaboo. Every single faction has the same exact units except for some warrior monks and you have no objective aside from capturing shit. Did you even play Pendor? Pendor has its own story line aside from "just conquer everyone else".

>>15657390

Pendor is fucking trash, it's honestly the worst mod for this game. Fuck around a bit with mercenary troops, then befriend the Mary Sues, get their troops, enter the same loop as native, then fight the fuckhuge doomstacks of pointless bandits who never leave any fucking mark on the world, then go back to the same loop as native until you take everything. You win. Congratulations. Boring fucking trash. Once you have those Mary Sue elves, you've basically won. It's as if they implemented a cheat for testing purposes, forgot to remove it from standard play, so made it essential.

>>15657404

Is weaboo mod any better? It's just a simple numbers game, recruit more identical units than the enemy to win, so that your faction (which is identical to the enemy) will prevail.

>>15657451

You can't get any troops good enough to take them on until you've reached the point where just outright recruiting them is the more sensible option. Not to mention that the shitdick homos who made the mod made it a win condition to befriend them, as well as making it impossible to befriend any of the other, cooler minor factions, such as the cultists or the barbarians. It's a shit mod made by faggots who hate fun.

>>15657589

And yet it's still the best mod. Name a better one. Hell, any old mod is better than the vanilla game.

>>15657589

the last 2 playthroughs I outrite ignore knife ears and just focused on my CKO which can have higher stats than the knife ears assuming you train them

since they fixed the autocalc bonus for knife ears I noticed you can take them on in realtime no problems with high tier kingdom troops and heavy cav

you need to git gud son

>>15657647

>you need to git gud son

Kind of hard when the entire mod is a fucking slog of endless circling against enemies who would kill you in one hit if you weren't a horse archer.

>>15657380

>Paradigm Worlds

>Second best

You have the shittiest taste out of everyone in this entire thread.

>>15657328

vanilla warband is truly the patricians choice.

>>15657676

Im going on foot with the foot knights

gut gud

>>15657999

mixed formations

and I dont mean mixed as in everyone, I mean intersperse the archers behind the spearwall and inbetween the infantry

Does anyone use the new Floris troop trees or do you stick with the native ones? Do they actually add much variety to the game or does it just rename everything and give you multiple variants of the same troops.

>>15653760

I am doing this now. The only mods I'd really consider would be QOL at least until I've played a lot more.

>>15657999

Be nords. When literally all of your troops have axes and shields, they don't die so often.

>>15658017

>Interspersed formations

How do you actually do that? At least in vanilla they all spawn as a mod and while you can command them I haven't found it to be super useful other than "charge" or "don't charge" for various troops types.

>>15657999

With more Swadian Knights or Mamlukes.

Or lure them into rough terrain.

Where does the butter meme come from?

>>15658613

>>15658613

The Swadian king always throws parties during which butter(an otherwise useless item) is presumably consumed. These parties are often thrown at the worst time for the kingdom and takes lords from the frontline to the capital.

>>15658613

Different Kings have different AI behaviours. Harlaus likes to keep a lot of fiefs to himself, specially villages. Now, in a vanilla Warband version there was a bug in which, when you raided villages, the vast majority of the items you got were butter. This was fixed, but one big version of Diplomacy was based on that buggy vanilla version, and since no one plays vanilla anyway, the bug persisted inside Diplomacy for a really long time.

This, together with the fact that Harlaus would rather throw a party at Uxhal instead of lifting the siege Dhirim, prompted the meme. Harlaus takes all the fiefs to get all the butter and then make giant butter parties.

Oh yeah, as a result, the vaegirs and sarranids both have lost face twice now because of this and in the second swadian war (the first of which I caused) their country is almost gone.

>>15658720

>Graveth

Harlaus

>>15657313

Floris also makes Rhodoks even more godlike than they are in the base game. I played Rhodoks and even Swadian cavalry got mowed down as soon as they came in range of our crossbows/pikemen.

>>15655475

Weren't achievements added some time after the initial release?

Is there a mod where the AI doesn't cheat and magically refill their troops after you beat them?

>>15658644

Actually, i think it comes from a post of some anon in the cuckchan /vg/ /mbg/ thread few years ago. The dude was playing floris and for some reason every swadian village sold butter, by that i mean, EVERY SINGLE default swadian villaged only produced and sold butter to the player. After that someone else related it to Harlaus's AI and his feasts.

>>15660365

Fun fact: Most every item sold in a town comes from those peasants who travel from their villages to deliver the goods each village produces to the town, or from trading merchants coming and going with their caravans. Cities themselves produce some stuff, such as Iron, salt, or Silk depending on where they are but most of it is produced in the villages or traded from other cities. The economic simulation is deeper than it first appears.

About to play again since long hiatus, according to Steam last time was 30.1 as in early this year.

What's the major differences between Dickplo and Dickplo Reloaded?

>>15660827

that's not Persistent World

>>15659629

Ragnar is greedy and won't land you fiefs, even shitty border villages. Sanjar (or whatever the fuck his name is) has the best army due to everyone being mounted. Yaroglek takes towns for himself and his fwends.

>Gender

>Male/Female

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15657404

>duuur, huur, Mary Sue elves! Durr

You fucking mongoloid. There are far stronger troops than elves, there are fucking demon troops out there.

It never ceases to amaze me how salty some people get when elves are better than humans. It's like their inferiority complex kicks in with a vengence.

>>15661392

>ragnar

Absolutely this. Despite being a major cause of swadia being down to a single castle and village (60 well trained troops helps a lot) and being in almost every siege I have never received any fiefs after the first shitty village, despite having about two hundred renown. I built a mill and manor in it but I'm contemplating cancelling my oath and going to Vaegirs or Rhodok or just starting over as a mercenary noble or non-noble?

I just want enough fiefs to support my army with a little surplus so I can focus on town quests to make industries instead of raiding and making everyone hate me. I'm engaged in a suit to Thera (Because I've got like a 50 relationship with Dirigun and Reamwald at least accepts me) and have beat the shit out of everyone else going for her but she still refuses marriage because I have only one fief and ragnar is a piece of shit.

Should I do the quest to get the other guy on the throne?

>>15661392

Can attest to Yaroglek. I'm basically his only friend and I randomly get fiefdoms all the time, even though I usually conduct my own campaigns - with or without the consent of the marshal. Boyars are constantly turning coat and giving up their land just for me to get most of it once Yaroglek makes his decision. Oddly, I get most fiefdoms randomly from him, and if I attend the siege (even if I'm the only one who attends the siege) it appears I'm not actually more likely to recieve the fiefdom. I wager that I could also convince him to give me even more fiefdoms if I bothered to change his mind once in a while but as far as I am concerned I have enough spinning plates already.

How's Silverstag these days? I used to have a lot of fun with it back in the day.

Perisno is a mod I use to play. Any reasons for people to think it's relatively shit?

>>15661464

You can't acquire demon troops, because Pendor is made by fucking niggers.

>>15663339

CKO troops shit on demons. At some point in the late midgame to late game you can take on the demon doomstack with just your 300 troops, just 100 of them being CKO and a lot of heavy cav or heavy infantry as cuishion fodder. You dont even understand how broken CKOs are. I dont disagree on the "devs being niggers" point.

>>15663339

>Pendor is made by niggers

>The mary sues are white Elves

>>15638963

Look at this butthurted white boy doesn't know about Islamic Golden Age.

does this game allow full size battles? or does it break up the size of the units in "reenforcements"

is there a mod that makes it so if i have 300 guys, and i fight a guy with 300 guys, that there will be 600 people on the battlefield?

>>15667846

Battlesizer utility allows for up to 1000. Some mods like PoP have an internal slider that goes up to 600. Generally anything over 600 will shit on your FPS and over 800 is crash prone.

>>15638963

>arabians were furthering mathematics and medicine during this time

>the shithole that was Western Europe was totally on par guise! M-master race, always on top!

Learn to accept when you were behind

>>15667879

the arab golden age ended shortly after arabs invented womens rights, just as a fun fact

>>15648323

Nords since they're the only faction that's great at both defense and offense in sieges.

>>15667862

so whats the suggestion here. use battlesizer (which i assume doesnt fuck with anything else) then set it as high as my PC will allow, but no higher than 800?

>>15667912

Wasn't it mostly due to foreign slaves anyway?

Once their rapetrain slowed down and the influx of fresh slaves from conquered lands waned they quickly declined as Pisslam by itself doesn't really encourage thinking outside the box etc.

>>15667935

Depends on the mod. If the mod doesnt have a higher internal limit, set it to 600 with battlesizer, the loss in performance isnt really worth it for the 30% increase to 800. Its not really a hardware limitation, its just that the game engine is a spaghettifest internally.

If the mod does have one, set it to max that it allows since its hopefully playtested. If you combine the two you get serious glitches like the internal battlesizer suddenly going into the 10s of thousands.

>>15667948

I only really know about arab history from bits and snippets so I wouldnt be able to hold a conversation on that anyway.

>>15661640

>Should I do the quest to get the other guy on the throne?

Never. Only do this if you want and can support a civil war early on. The moment you accept to fight for him you need at least 5 lords who will, absolutely, without a doubt join you to overthrow the current asshole. But if you can fight against a faction and win, why do it for some faggot claimant who will rule over you? Take the crown for yourself. And if you do, please, at least wait till your faction blobs 90% of the map.

>>15668057

Bonerlord has been confirmed for 1200 I believe. Dont take my word for it tho.

>>15657999

Form tight formations. With some mods you can make a square or shieldwall, and that works well. You might lose a few in the front, but the horses won't make it through the crowd.

>>15661464

Fuck you you knife eared tree fucker.

>>15668057

Same anon

Modded Warband to have 500 troops, but beyond that the AI acting the same the game literally cannot handle it. I remember defending Praven from the norggers with this setting and the game lagged to hell anytime the camera focused on the action. Had to just look away and let the men handle things.

>>15668831

Which kind of nullifies the point of having so many men, if you ask me.

>>15655934

They had a good run from around 700-900 whilst the empire was relatively stable and they still had a strong academic tradition to draw upon, it all went to shit when they got T*RK*D by their slave soldiers though because never trust a ghulam.

All that shit about "dey juz sterl it fram da persians/greeks" is BS though, yeah the works of the time were all based on what came before but so is everything. There is no doubt they owe the entire existence of their golden age to prior achievements though but that's true of everything everywhere as one does not simply take sand from the beach to fashion a data probe.

Then again the whole dark ages meme is also massively overblown, it's important to remember there were a few decades after the western empire collapsed that were borderline post apocalyptic thanks to plagues and constant warfare and settling tribes and such but once the snow niggers setup their kangdoms and everything stabilized it was mostly back to normal just without the integrated commerce network, it's not as if Roman Gaul was ever a centre of mathematics i the first place so why so shocked they weren't discerning the velocity of un/laden European swallows afterwards?

>>15668882

I'd have to agree. It's weird how people brag about something like that. Seems like they never tried it.

>>15670178

wew meant for >>15668014 nevermindTo actually be OT, what would be nice for nevereverlord would be a tech stealing system that lets the barbars nick tech like xbows and better armour from capturing/raiding certain provinces or bribing/kidnapping characters.

Happened all the time IRL, like that time the Moors stole chainmail from the Visigoths.

>>15667879

You mean when the filthy sand niggers stole everything from the Persians, Indians and Byzantines and then pretended they had invented it? And that after they burned 90% of it all to the ground and had a 'oops' moment and tried to salvage what they could when they realized they had to actually govern and couldn't just rape and pillage forever.

>>15639328

Good choice. I also like Rome Total War's ominous marching music

>>15670187

Nova Aetas has a tech progression system which often translates to a crash progression system. Never played it much tho, if you thought you aint got shit to do in Bongenwalda, Nova Aetas is a whole new level of boredom simulation.

>>15670191

Man, AoE had such great songs.

>>15670188

Anon, of course they took from the mediterrean civs and persia, they took over that entire area.

Homever, they didnt sit on their asses for the following sñcenturies, they expanded upon the knowledge they had acquired.

Painting thw middle ages arabs as mindless brutes its a huge diservice to history, not only is it factually wrong, but makes both the persians and europeans/eastern romans look useless in comparisson, youre achieving nothing good with such bullshit.

>>15668831

>>15668882

>>15670184

theoretically, would having a more powerful machine eventually solve this? like do you think this would be achievable with the latest and greatest hardware? howabout the latest and greatest 3 years from now?

or is it really just the software that cant handle it.

>>15672638

What about what warwolf did? They had battles of up several thousand actors at once but their armor and assets in general were of lower fidelity and their AI made sure they acted in tight formations unless you basically ran into one.

>>15672650

i am not familar with warwolf, i was specifically talking about mountain blade. warwolf isnt a furry game, is it?

>>15672838

i havnt been into mount and blade very long. only started playing maybe 8-10 months ago and have just been playing vanilla warband.

for starters, id really just want a mod that fixes some obvious glitches in the base game. things like timed missions that finish end with disaproval for no reason. or maybe a mod that lets all of the vassals fit in my hall at one time.

or maybe allow hosting a feast to actually matter if you host a good feast or not.

or maybe one that just fixes the AI so the kings and nobles all dont end up hating eachother, or wandering around with tiny armies.

the game is fun, but there are so many basic problems that could be fixed with modding without changing the core gameplay or adding unnecessary features, unfortunately i have yet to find a mod that doesnt add some shit i have no interest in and just fixes the vanilla game.

>>15672895

Dickplo with it's submod for autism is pretty good, does some sensible tweaking to gear and troops like giving everyone some form of cavalry, infantry to Khershits etc without going too crazy.

>DICKPLOMACY SUBMOD: "revised version of dickplomacy's balance, trying to keep consistent with native's art style while giving better troops to factions"

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8kc6v42ik9xtr35/Dickplomacy+4.3.0.7b+submod.7z

>>15672895

>You want straight up vanilla but polished?

yes

>Diplomacy.

thats not vanilla. it modifies way too much to be vanilla.

>>15672895

>Give them some more shit

not talking about my vassals, in my current playthrough im supporting king graveth. the vassals are tiny because they defect frequently, or do something treasonous at an exceedingly rapid rate, due to deteriorating relationships with all kings. the strongest guys wander around with around 70 people and theyre rare. most people wander around with under 25.

they just need to make it easier for kings to gain vassals allegience. but because of how easy it is to get people mad at you, and how hard it is to earn it back, especially for AI, its just an infinite downward spiral with no chance for improved relations.

>>15672923

Bud, I'm pretty sure that's outdated as hell. Try the reloaded thing on nexus or LLab.

>>15672951

>thats not vanilla. it modifies way too much to be vanilla.

The mod literally, and I'm not abusing that word in any way, shape or form is focused on slightly improving life of quality bugfixing and expanding some on faction and NPC interaction. That's fucking it. No troop changes, no item changes, no mechanic changes other then those on the tin or in submods marked as such. Please, either stop talking out of your ass or elaborate.

>make it easier for kings to gain vassals allegience

Oh, fuck off. Are you a fair and capable ruler that has handpicked honorable vassals? You're not going to have any issues. Are you a dumb, inbred chucklefuck that feasts all day long, can't capture shit and recruits any and all greedy riff-raff such as the PC? You deserve to crash and burn.

>>15672951

>its just an infinite downward spiral with no chance for improved relations.

OK, this I get. One of the things diplo does is give you the option to try and ingratiate to lords via their cousins, friends or wives. Apart from that, you're stuck with the vanilla solution of either muh follower turned lords, grind releasing them after the battle or simply setting up good relation before you declare independent and end up on shit creek without anyone to paddle for you.

It's still a slog but that's core mountainblade for you.

>>15666800

You mean the golden age achieved with ruthless expansion and theft from conquered lands?

No even the "arab numerals" are really arabic, they are indian

>>15673063

Im talking about terrible texture work, missing and misplaced meshes, the god awful color palette and so on. Daimyo just magnifies those issues by dumping MORE useless shit on top.

>>15672967

>Bud, I'm pretty sure that's outdated as hell. Try the reloaded thing on nexus or LLab.

How's it outdated if it's on the latest Dickplo edition?

>>15672995

Anon, what about Perisno?

>>15673391

You can give yourself 1000 of every stat and then kill everyone with your fists while wearing no shirt, if that's any replacement I'm not sure how though.

>>15673178

>Dickplomacy 4.3.0.7b

>came out in 2017

>submod probably /mbg/ edit c. 2017 as well

>Dickplomacy Reloaded 1-50-RC2

>27 Oct 2018

You tell me.

>>15673155

Take it as you will but I know for a fact how that mod doesn't have any missing textures. Shitty and thank god optional skin retextures, sure. Anime music replacement? Unfortunately. But missing textures and broken meshes? I haven't seen one in at least four complete runs I played over the last couple of years. Essentially, have you followed the install instructions or just copypasta the goddamn thing on the wrong version or Gekokujo?

DE is shit precisely because he messed, and badly at that with shit other than cosmetics. Giant armies for no real purpose, inflation, mary sue items and so on. Also some of his cosmetic shit is also extremely out of place.

>>15673525

Latest Reloaded is apparently fucked up.

>>15673525

I last played sugoroku a year after the gekoweeb deleted himself from the internet, it was all that and more.

>>15673387

No idea, played maybe a couple of hours of it.

>>15673560

And I'm telling you that you fucked up the install. You most likely slapped older version Sugoroku from the sticky and didn't hunt down the latest further down in the thread on top of the latest Gekokujo or tried to add a submod like the severely outdated animation one.

You're obviously capable of personal preferences, and that's fine, but you really can't bullshit someone who played that shit as much as I did. No missing textures, some clipping with the straw gunner cape thing (but that's a original gekokujo model) and definitely no anime tier out of place garish colours or designs.

>>15673549

Really? I've played a bit of 1.4 reloaded and it seems fine.

>>15673737

1.5 apparently is badly compiled by accident and lost source code or something, i'l just wait until he gets his shit done before trying Reloaded.

>>15673737

Well last I played sugoroku was litschurally years ago so I may have conflated some of its issues with Daimyos or gekonewers.

>>15673600

>even diamonds

Technically not that impressive (depending on the shape) since all you have to do is cut along a shear line and it comes right apart.

>>15672967

>. Are you a fair and capable ruler that has handpicked honorable vassals

again, not talking about MY vassals. im not a king. what im talking about is the problem where every king in the game quickly ends up being hated by every single vassal in the game making each king weak making the game get easier and easier the longer it goes on; ruining the game making it insanely easy.

>>15672987

ive played as a king and had no problems maintaining loyalty by hosting feasts and only adding vassals related to my other vassals and distributing land fairly.

im talking about other kings… im willing to bet that every king in my game has -100 relation with each vassal in the game with how frequently they defect/treason

>>15672995

>>15672967

last i checked diplomacy changes stuff with cavalry as well as how you interact with your jeremuses while it neglects to fix some basic shit in the game like the ongoing issue i described above.

>>15674349

>Precisely. That's why they need replacing.

i guess victory by domination is the only viable option? that sucks. especially since in my other playthrough the other kings dont even recognize me as a king even though i am king of the largest empire.

i just dont like how the game gets easier as it goes on because of this.

although, i guess im partly to blame because i do this.

>king graveth awards count nealcha wercheg

>emir nealcha lord of wercheg defects to arabs.

>"hi emir nealcha, how do you feel about the sultan?…."

>count nealcha joins rhodoks

>king graveth indicts jarl nealcha for treason

>king graveth awards himself wercheg

he does this so fucking much i feel like an actual person is controlling king graveth.

I should also mention I my background was a street urchin and a poacher, and everyone but swadia is at war with me (but content to raid my villages and say fuck you)